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1. Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 11/9 @ 7:42 pm #

   Tell me she has a hot older sister.

2. Comment by newrouter on 11/9 @ 7:58 pm #

   man people pay alot of money to taught to be stupid in j school

3. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/9 @ 8:07 pm #

   So, why exactly is a FRIKKIN’ ARMY BASE a gun free zone?

4. Comment by RTO Trainer on 11/9 @ 8:14 pm #

   They aren’t gun free. However, we don’t walk around with out weapons all the time, and certainly not loaded.
   On posts where that is done overseas (Iraq and A’stan in particular), the incidence of negligent discharge is, while not high, significant. People get hurt sometimes too.

   There are other considerations as well.

   Imagine this. A group of armed Soldiers outside the building where the shooting took place hears the shots and rushes in to investigate/assist. If only the assailant is armed, it’s clear what needs to happen. Now add a few weapons inside already. Who do the guys coming in from outside engage? How do they know?

   This is a case where more weapons leads to further blue on blue incidents.

   And of course, none of this goes into the fact that weapons and ammunitions are tightly controled for inventory and property accountability. If people have them out all the time, commanders don’t have good visibility on proper quantities and conditions.

5. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 8:20 pm #

   I’m left wondering who we should expect to see walk into frame. Allen Funt or Rod Serling?

6. Comment by Joe on 11/9 @ 8:25 pm #

   All I can say is thank you for your service! And a charge of treason is justified for Major Hasan (along with murder).

7. Comment by js on 11/9 @ 8:53 pm #

   +1 RTO Trainer

   well put.

8. Comment by JD on 11/9 @ 8:54 pm #

   I got all of the Sons of Anarchy DVD’s today.

9. Comment by newrouter on 11/9 @ 8:56 pm #

   rod serling:

   “Unreal… Wash U Shuts Down Freedom Memorial on 20 Year Anniversary of End of Communism- It Was Too Offensive (Video)
   Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:39 PM
   Jim Hoft”

   link

10. Comment by JT on 11/9 @ 8:56 pm #

    Quote of the day:

    “I think that’s something else we need to be very careful about, and I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it’s not just about Muslims. We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society. And that gives us all strength. So again, we need to be very careful with that.”
    — Gen. George W. Casey, Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army

11. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 9:00 pm #

    In a partial reprise of your hysteria meet reality post Pablo, the interview ended and was immediately followed by this exchange:
    

    ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Just incredible. You know, I read in “The Times” over the weekend they were saying it was such a small room that when the shooter opened fire it was like shooting at fish in the barrel. So you talk to people like that who survived, it’s just remarkable.

    ROBERTS: Yes. And one of the weapons he was using was a really powerful weapon, as well.

    CHO: Right.

    A really powerful weapon a bullet from which elicited this testimony:
    

    J. FOSTER: I didn’t actually have to undergo any operations. The bullet that hit me when it went in, it hit my femur and ricocheted and exited back out, not too far from the original wound.

    John Roberts: …really pow-er-ful weapon…

12. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 9:12 pm #

    A really powerful weapon a bullet from which elicited this testimony:

    Yeah. Imagine that had been a .45.

13. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 9:15 pm #

    Hasan has been described by one eyewitness as walking about re-shooting the fallen. I find myself wondering what proportion of the killed fell into this category. Not a few, would be my bet.

14. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 9:21 pm #

    They say he fired 100 rounds, and he hit 48 people if my math is right. I’d say that’s a good guess.

15. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 9:26 pm #

    And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it’s not just about Muslims.

    Hey, JT, I’ve got a question for you. How many non-muslims have intentionally shot our soldiers recently?

16. Comment by agile_dog on 11/9 @ 9:32 pm #

    JT: A backlash against Muslims would be a terrible thing. A backlash against Islamic terrorist that are also in our military would be a wonderful thing. But tell me, how do we separate between the two when their preachers say stuff like this:
    “Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier.“

17. Comment by JD on 11/9 @ 9:41 pm #

    JT does a disservice to retarded circus midget clowns.

18. Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/9 @ 9:45 pm #

    Pablo:

    Actually, there was a case over the weekend, at Camp LeJeune. It was overshadowed by the Fort Hood rampage. The bastard perp seems to have botched his own suicide; hope we can help him out in that department after a fair trial.

19. Comment by RTO Trainer on 11/9 @ 9:45 pm #

    Islam might well be a side issue in this. A career officer, who gets a bad OER and a deployment upcoming that he doesn’t beleive in…. There’s room in there for somoene to maybe snap. That said, he is a career officer, who has almost certainly signed the bad evaluations of others and sent people to do things that hey didn’t want to, so I have *very* little sympathy. But his religion doesn’t necessarilly enter into it.

    There’s been some indication that he tried to make al-Qaeda contacts. Proof of that will change my mind. But otherwise, it’s entirely possible that had he joined a mosque in TX, and so prevented the isolation that allowed him to dehumanize his fellow Soldiers, that might have prevented the incident–in that case Islam certainly wouldn’t be a root cause. I have some experience with the mental effects of isolation and stress.

    I’ve served with a dozen or so Muslim troops, all of whom have been completely dedicated to the mission and to their fellow troops.

    It strikes me as odd that in this case, it’s okay to practice a kind of identity politics, rather than look to the intent of individual authors. We may have a handle on MAJ Hasan’s texts. But we don’t know that yet.

20. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/9 @ 9:46 pm #

    My alma mater, #9. We had our share of crazies back in the day, but overall we managed to keep it relatively sane for an upper-end college campus. Obviously the crazies have been on the march since then.

21. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 9:48 pm #

    TSI, he shoulda gone with a suicide vest, no? So much to learn…

    Meanwhile, Ace goes deep on Roland Martin and Michael Steele, but mostly Roland Martin.

22. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 9:51 pm #

    “…had he joined a mosque in TX…”

    Huh, RTO? He had joined a mosque, attended regularly, mentored to a teenager there, took counseling from the Imam, activities galore.

23. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 9:58 pm #

    Islam might well be a side issue in this.

    Evidence is mounting that Islam played a central role in this. Which, to disclaim for the millionth time, does not mean that all Muslims are killers. But this sure looks like jihad. Lots of links in the previous thread.

24. Comment by RTO Trainer on 11/9 @ 10:09 pm #

    That wasn’t the information I’d had, sdferr. Well. Crap.

25. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 10:17 pm #

    Hasan spent the morning of November 5 passing out Qurans. Islam could be involved.

26. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 10:18 pm #

    I’ve been digging around trying to find the relevant links RTO but haven’t yet. Still at it (there’s a load of ‘em to go through). The kid I mentioned is on tape at Pablo’s link here (the first one).

27. Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 10:20 pm #

    “Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false,” Jones said in a e-mailed statement today. “Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources.”

    Oh, goody.

28. Comment by RTO Trainer on 11/9 @ 10:28 pm #

    In that case, it’s relatively easy.

    MAJ Hasan should be informed every morning that it is clear that Allah hates him. He was denied paradise and will have only paralysis and the hatred of his former commrades for as long as he continues to draw breath.

29. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 10:39 pm #

    This Telegraph piece covers a heap of his religious background. I’m looking for a piece that describes Hasan’s attendance at a dinner party with the Imam and four or five others a couple of nights before the shootings, but I’m not finding it so far. (It may be that I saw a tv interview though and my memory is just befouled at present.)

30. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 10:46 pm #

    Then there was this one focused on his time in DC.

31. Comment by Bob Reed on 11/9 @ 11:01 pm #

    Cap’n Ed had some link rich posts

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/report-hasan-attended-same-radical-mosque-as-911-hijackers/

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/abc-fbi-knew-hasan-tried-to-contact-al-qaeda/

    http://abcnews.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10inquire.html

    There are also a bunch put up at POWIP, amongst several stories…

    I’m with Liebs on this-Hasan went over to the Islamic extremist side; and the FBI might have considered speaking to the army about the information they had…

    Hassan became a terrorist, and when that becomes clear it will mean deep trouple for Obama and the Dems.

32. Comment by Darleen on 11/9 @ 11:18 pm #

    RTO

    If Gen. Casey’s quote is any indication, while Hasan is responsible for murdering his fellow soldiers, Casey helped set the stage.

    Too many people who came into contact with Hasan prior to his getting to Ft Hood KNEW he was a ticking time bomb..and that includes fellow Muslims.

    But no one NO ONE wanted to put in a report and be charged with being racist (cuz that’s how “anti-Muslim” is considered - racism).
    

    Unnamed doctors who attended a lecture at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where Hasan worked as a psychiatrist for six years before arriving at Fort Hood this year, told the newspaper that he called for non-believers to be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

    Medical colleagues told the newspaper they had expected a discussion on a medical issue from Hasan but were instead subjected to an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which they said Hasan appeared to believe.

    The newspaper said Walter Reed doctors have been recalling how their colleague repeatedly harangued them about religion and openly declared himself to be a “Muslim first and American second.”

33. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 11:20 pm #

    Terrorist, I’m afraid, as a term is going to get everybody wrapped up in one equivocation or another. It’s simpler, I think, to identify the man as a jihadi enemy of the United States who decided to do murder as his means of carrying the war to his enemy.

34. Comment by Bob Reed on 11/9 @ 11:33 pm #

    As long as the style of warfare remains asymmetric, which will surely be the case for some time, terrorist and jihadist are virtually interchangable if you’re talking about Muslims.

35. Comment by sdferr on 11/9 @ 11:37 pm #

    Holy shit, I just ran into this link from Insty to Greyhawk and his report on CNN’s reporting its own interview. Unfuckingbelievable:
    

    Among the wounded in the shooting was Pvt. Joseph Foster, 21, who was hit in the hip as he sat at the base’s military processing center, preparing paperwork for his January deployment to Afghanistan.

    He said he “was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled ‘Allahu akbar’ in Arabic and he opened fire,” Foster said Monday on CNN’s “American Morning.”

    Foster, 21, said he wasn’t clear about whether the gunman said those exact words, noting that “with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things.”

36. Comment by happyfeet on 11/9 @ 11:42 pm #

    that’s chilling. That’s really genuinely evil.

37. Comment by ghost707 on 11/9 @ 11:47 pm #

    Sdferr,
    We are talking about CNN - the “news” organization that played patty-cake with Saddam so they could stay in country for ratings.

    It’s almost impossible for even Iowahawk to parody them now.

38. Comment by B Moe on 11/9 @ 11:55 pm #

    Terrorist, I’m afraid, as a term is going to get everybody wrapped up in one equivocation or another. It’s simpler, I think, to identify the man as a jihadi enemy of the United States who decided to do murder as his means of carrying the war to his enemy.

    I have come to that conclusion recently. The word terrorist leaves too many outs for disingenuous dickheads. I think calling them savages, vile bastards or barbarians is preferable, although probably a bit unfair to real barbarians.

39. Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 12:00 am #

    Also via Greyhawk, this soldier’s eyewitness account of the scene outside the Processing Center, being shot at and treating the wounds of the female police officer.

40. Comment by SDN on 11/10 @ 6:56 am #

    RTO, that argument you make in #4 is a standard gun-banner argument: “If we allow civilians to carry guns the cops won’t know who the bad guy is.”

    Problem is that the real-world experience shows that this is not true. 1, the civilians have a proven record of shooting the right person more often than the cops, and 2, by the time the cops get there after #1, the non-cops aren’t still firing or pointing guns at anyone as a rule, and aren’t inclined to point guns at uniformed cops anyway. When I have the time, I’ll Google up the actual studies.

41. Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 7:33 am #

    Red flags, anyone?

    We truly fucked up with this guy and as the POTUS, Obama ought to be apologizing to all those affected for the government’s utter negligence in preventing Hasan’s attack.

    My niece’s husband is due to process through that facility on his impending return from Iraq. He’s bored out of his mind over there, but at least he’s armed.

42. Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 9:09 am #

    A quote from Hasan’s powerpoint, taken from Pablo’s link just above:
    

    He also sought to “describe the nature of the religious conflicts that Muslims” who serve in the U.S. military may have and to persuade the Army to identify these individuals.

    Three cheers to that. So even Maj. Hasan wants us to stop with the p.c. bullshit and get real. By all means then, identify those who have serious religious conflicts with the US militaries and their missions and save lives.

43. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/10 @ 11:03 am #

    ““I think that’s something else we need to be very careful about, and I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”

    So, General, when are you gonna start worrying about the lash?

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