Stupid? Vapid? Thoughtless? I’m looking for the perfect combo of words to adequately explain the kind of female who cheerleads the enslavement of American medicine to the Federal Government then shrieks …
“Bart Stupak Thinks He Knows What I Can Do With My Body. And Congress is voting to let him make that choice.”*
The least of that gal’s worries is that a free paid-for-by-her-neighbors abortion just got struck off her birth-control options list.
Feministing, St. Mandy of Pandagon, Feministe … just different notes on the same theme: Their wishes are, of course, your obligation to provide no matter what.
And none of them ever seem consider they’ll ever need any more advances in medicine then what exists right now or they’ll ever be old enough to face Pelosi’s :::ahem::: Comparative Effectiveness Panel ::::ahem::::
Come on, Mandy, do you really think when you reach 75 under ObamaCare and need heart surgery you’ll get much more than a handful of pain pills and a list of Kevorkian-trained “assistants”? Do you think your children and grandchildren will have much luck lobbying the Federal Government on your behalf?
Oh.wait.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 4:50 pm #
“Bart Stupak Thinks He Knows What I Can Do With My Body. And Congress is voting to let him make that choice.”
so much stupidity so little time
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 4:56 pm #
newrouter
yep, I am refusing to have my purse stolen to pay for someone else’s elective surgery and that means I’m “denying them the right to their own body!”
Sounds like a tweener whining when mom refuses to let him/her out of the house in inappropriate clothing.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 4:56 pm #
It’s hard to see the moral difference between government paying for an abortion and that same government coercing thousands of dollars from its people and then not paying for a particular cancer treatment.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 5:08 pm #
“And Congress is voting to let him make that choice.”
forced medical insurance for your body is what exactly?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 5:20 pm #
that reads wrong… thousands… you know what I mean.
But the idea that there are people out there thinking that if the government nationalizes health care then they damn well better / better not pay for abortions is really, really pathetically clueless I think.
Comment by biff jupiter on 11/8 @ 5:20 pm #
I bet there’s more than one dem who went along with this because they figured it would save some money – one less procedure to pay for. The rationing has started already…
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 5:26 pm #
hf
I think it’s funny that the “I want health care NOW” crowd who believes their need constitutes a blank check on my ability is shocked SHOCKED I tell you that rationing wasn’t always a major component of ObamaCare.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 5:28 pm #
It also rations medical innovation and general economic prosperity I think.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 5:35 pm #
i find the present medical industry horrible as a customer. these folks think the feds have a solution? is the irs customer friendly?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 5:41 pm #
Dirty socialist NPR propaganda whore Liz Halloran is confuzzled about the Sleestak amendment thingy I think.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 5:44 pm #
The fight for freedom in America. The GOP is fighting for the freedom to create an America where most bankruptcies are due to health care bills. Fighting to deny women’s rights.
Very productive.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 5:51 pm #
Yeah, that Bart Stupak is a nasty Republican. Or, you’re an idiot. One of the two. So, uh, what right is it they’re trying to deny?
Maybe it’s the right to make their own choices about health insurance. Oh wait, that’s Pelosi and Co.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 5:52 pm #
JT
You might like to add a new word to your vocabulary, one I suspect you’ve never heard before
“Responsibility”
Please kindly explain how my not wanting my pocket picked to pay for someone elses ELECTIVE surgery is a “denial of rights”?
I have no problem with insurance covering reconstructive surgery, but it shouldn’t (and doesn’t) cover “breast enhancement”. So why should my insurance or the Government cover lifestyle-enhancement abortions?
Comment by Nan on 11/8 @ 5:55 pm #
Cool JT. With the healthcare bill we won’t have to worry about those bankruptcies anymore. All those folks will just die, and everyone knows funerals are much cheaper than healthcare.
And you’re a total ass.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:00 pm #
JT is a retarded mental midget.
Comment by JHo on 11/8 @ 6:00 pm #
I don’t know about you guys, but I appreciate JT’s rote delivery of the most transparently irrational talking points known to man. They have a certain, familiar ring to them.
I believe such shabby, undefended tripe is commonly called “progressivism”. I’ll ask, oh, Olberman and get back to you.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 6:01 pm #
First trimester abortions cost about $300 – $600. Second trimester, $500 – $5000. Those ones are 9% of all abortions.
oh. But if you can’t afford it you can go here and borrow your abortion monies.
It says to pay cash if you want to ensure confidentiality though.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:04 pm #
So, it is bad bad bad for the government to not pay for abortions, but it is good good good for people to have to rely on the govt for every other aspect of their healthcare?
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 6:04 pm #
I know it seems counter-intuitive in the Age of Obama, but when you go bankrupt, you get a fresh start unencumbered by your insurmountable debt, as opposed to becoming the property of the federal government and the UAW. Unless you owe taxes. Then you’re fucked.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 6:06 pm #
Miss Darleen,
To explain it briefly, health costs are increasing much faster than the growth in GDP. If something isn’t done, America goes in the shitter. If women who can’t afford abortions can’t get them, their neglected kids will become delinquent, join gangs, rob, rape and/or kill you.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 6:07 pm #
Anymore, you can just bleg. Remember Mandy’s hoochie friend that needed to abort her baby ’cause it would grow up to be a rapist? I shoulda sent her a few bucks.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 6:08 pm #
In a recession? No. Way.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:08 pm #
JT has to be a parody.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 6:08 pm #
“If something isn’t done, America goes in the shitter.”
Man, you can say that again, only, I’m thinking you have the causalities all upside down, from the looks of things you write.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 6:10 pm #
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 6:12 pm #
Don’t you worry about a thing, JT. The situation is well in hand. Remember back in the 30’s when all those extra kids were neglected and went all delinquent and they joined gangs and went around robbing, raping and killing people, just because they weren’t killed in utero? You progressives did an awesome job of fixing that. I may have overlooked thanking you, so, thanks.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 6:14 pm #
If women who can’t afford abortions can’t get them, their neglected kids will become delinquent, join gangs, rob, rape and/or kill you.
And JT all women who can’t afford breast enhancement will get depressed and kill their co-workers, right?
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 6:15 pm #
btw, JT, another new word for you
“adoption”
Comment by happyfeet on 11/8 @ 6:16 pm #
I’m not comfortable with the Barack Obama taking my monies and giving them to some hoochie for her abortion. That’s just not why I get up in the morning.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 6:17 pm #
health costs are increasing much faster than the growth in GDP
And if you were actually open to the FACTS of WHY that is, you would be foresquare against nationalization via Pelosi/ObamaCare.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 6:17 pm #
Miss Darleen,
Gloating about your breast enhancements proves nothing.
I’m glad you can afford them.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 6:19 pm #
Maybe funnier than Feminists. No. Really.
Oh my god.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 6:21 pm #
JT
No answer, eh? My, I wouldn’t have expected that.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/8 @ 6:22 pm #
Don’t look now JT, but Darleen just won the argument.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 6:30 pm #
SOMETHING MUST BE DUMB! and do it now
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 6:32 pm #
are vasectomies is this bill? if not why not feminazis?
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:33 pm #
So JT is advocating abortion as a form of eugenics? Nice. Plus, it is scared of tits.
Knock knock …
Comment by ghost707 on 11/8 @ 6:39 pm #
Troll got knocked to the canvas after only three posts.
That could be a record.
Snowcone doesn’t count; he punches himself in the face.
Comment by B Moe on 11/8 @ 6:39 pm #
So how exactly is the bill the House just passed going to lower health care costs? Just an example or two?
Comment by No one you know on 11/8 @ 6:40 pm #
To explain it briefly, health costs are increasing much faster than the growth in GDP. If something isn’t done, America goes in the shitter. If women who can’t afford abortions can’t get them, their neglected kids will become delinquent, join gangs, rob, rape and/or kill you.
Yeah, because nothing says reduced costs like a shiny new Fed entitlement program. Why look at how they’ve taken care of Social Security and Medicare. As to the second part, I take it JT has never been to anyone of a couple dozen big cities where Dems have been running the show for going on 2 generations. Seems that, much as Moynihan predicted, welfare tore apart the family unit, and the kids are neglected, regardless of the fact that abortions have been legal for 36 years.
To the topic of the post: due to the fungibility of money, we already are subsidizing (I’d be willing to bet) most abortions in this country already. If someone lives in section 8 housing and decides to get an abortion, we are paying for it. AFDC? Paying for it. Food stamps? You get the picture. So the feminists get a picture of Goldstein (1984 reference, not our Jeff, although he has provided that stand in in the past.) Looks like Kabuki from where I’m standing. Please don’t misunderstand, I see that kind of subsidy, and think the Fed should get out of the housing, clothing, food provision business. And I’m sure all those empowered females must get sick to their stomachs when having to contemplate someone else paying their way. Yeah, I’m sure their just sick about it.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:45 pm #
It is good of JT to admit that it is a proponent of the Sanger culling of the herd school of thought on abortion.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 6:46 pm #
David Harsanyi on the Pelosi bill and real controls of a sort Ms Jaffe only imagines exist in Bart Stupak’s amendment.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 6:56 pm #
The uterus must remain government free, but the rest of you is fair game.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 7:00 pm #
Heh.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 7:07 pm #
the chap does look like mugabe no
Comment by JHo on 11/8 @ 7:19 pm #
Connect those two statements, JT. If you can.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/8 @ 7:45 pm #
Maybe you should look at transportation costs lately.
Comment by geoffb on 11/8 @ 7:46 pm #
God only needed 9 “shalls” to cover all the bases and the proggs complain all the time about how confining those 9 are. Pelosi et al needed over 300 times as many. Wouldn’t that be just a wee bit worse?
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 7:46 pm #
adoption
Miss Darleen,
How many crack addicted or HIV+ babies have you or your white suburban neighbors adopted lately?
Comment by B Moe on 11/8 @ 7:49 pm #
JT! We love your witty bon mots, but how about answering the question?
So how exactly is the bill the House just passed going to lower health care costs? Just an example or two?
Comment by SarahW on 11/8 @ 7:55 pm #
The point is missed by any woman who wants to be able to afford medical care: don’t give the government power to decide what gets paid for and what does not, while at the same time taking away your ability to pay for something yourself.
If you are mandated to buy insurance or pay a significant penalty, you will be forced into ruin, even jail, or into allowing the government to subsidize your mandate, while taking control of your money and your options.
Not only does it destroy your ability to obtain private insurance, it destroys your ability to self-pay.
You cannot even have an MSA to save up and cover your own non-catastrophic medical costs.
No pro-choice woman should support a single pay plan or mandate.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 7:56 pm #
JT
You might like to ask the so-called “Social Services” people why they refuse to let crack-addicted or HIV+ babies to be RELEASED for adoption.
How many people do you know that foster-care crackbabies and have to put up with a system that continually gives the crack addict mom dozens of chances to “change” and suddenly the infant is a 2 or 3 year old.
How many people do you know who foster in hopes of adoption who watch an infant returned to a bio-parent to later be beaten to death or just beaten into a vegetable?
And JT what makes you think I live in a “white suburban neighborhood”? How about curbing your bigotry and address reality.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 7:56 pm #
While were at it, JT, I’m still wondering what womens’ rights that nasty Bart Stupak attacked with his GOP amendment.
Comment by SarahW on 11/8 @ 7:57 pm #
BTW, this is the same government that tried, and may yet try again, to tax tampons and maxi-pads, and still aims to tax breast pumps, in order to pay for coverage that will not pay for abortion even when it threatens your health.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 7:59 pm #
So in JT’s (s4b) world, legislation by anecdote is the way to go. What could possibly go wrong?
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 8:00 pm #
Also JT, if SarahW’s comment is not quite getting through to you
Pelosi/ObamaCare will become CanadaCare/UKCare in which hundreds of women die each year because to meet the bottom line those “universal care” systems deny pap smears and mamograms to young women.
They won’t even let you pay out of your own pocket for the tests.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 8:02 pm #
Not only does it destroy your ability to obtain private insurance, it destroys your ability to self-pay.
You cannot even have an MSA to save up and cover your own non-catastrophic medical costs.
SarahW
ObamaCare was never really about healthcare.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 8:02 pm #
s4b ?
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 8:04 pm #
GOP
Grandstand with fear and lies
Oppose any meaning action
Pretend everything is ok and propose an non-solution
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 8:06 pm #
JT
Oh, good for you…you can trot out pernicious ad homenims when you can’t debate the facts. How sweet!
Comment by JHo on 11/8 @ 8:07 pm #
JT labors under the assumption that the US government is a service provider.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 8:08 pm #
Yeah, JD. I thought his nic was too close tp yours so I decided to call him s4b.lst word is brains. Surprised it didn’t catch on.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 8:13 pm #
“How many crack addicted or HIV+ babies have you or your white suburban neighbors adopted lately?”
’cause all the other ones are shit canned by “plan parent”hood”
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 8:14 pm #
So we’re back to bumper sticker slogans, s4b? You are out of your element. Run along now.
Comment by newrouter on 11/8 @ 8:17 pm #
“Pretend everything is ok and propose an non-solution”
I can’t hear you losers anymore. you are dumber than muslimes
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 8:18 pm #
S4B – Good one. It really is a retarded marmoset.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 8:22 pm #
You’re no Ed Markey, JT. But you are lame, if that’s any consolation.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 8:22 pm #
JT sounds like a late teenager or maybe an early twenty-something. Vapid, vacuous and not terribly self-possessed. You all are asking an awful lot if you expect answers to the hard sort of questions you’re posing JT.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 8:33 pm #
We have to give s4b credit for being intellectually honest enough to be so up front about its support of eugenics.
Comment by SporkLift Driver on 11/8 @ 8:46 pm #
So if the rapid rise in health costs is the problem why not address that problem by modifying or repealing the legislation that drives the runaway increase in health costs?
So more of the same only on a much grander scale is your idea of doing something?
No one here is talking about restricting abortion. Some of us just don’t want to be forced to pay for the execution of innocent human beings.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:00 pm #
This is what the GOP stands for, this is what the teabaggers are fighting for. :
1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.
If present trends were to continue – without health care reform small businesses would pay $2.4 trillion dollars over the next ten years in health care costs for their workers, 178,000 small business jobs will be lost by 2018 as a result of health care costs, $834 billion in small business wages will be lost due to high health care costs over the next ten years, small businesses will lose $52.1 billion in profits to high health care costs.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:03 pm #
Some of us just don’t want to be forced to pay for the execution of innocent human beings.
You mean like in Iraq?
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 9:03 pm #
Now the lying eugenics advocate is just copying and pasting from the DNC press releases.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 9:03 pm #
Prove it s4b. Show your work. Talking points don’t work here.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 9:05 pm #
JD, I was surprised to find out that JT is a member of the Republican party, weren’t you?
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 9:06 pm #
JT
and your source for that… please link an actual study, not the meanderings of firedoglake and ilk (which is why you didn’t link your cut-n-paste)
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 9:07 pm #
JT is no longer able to surprise me.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:07 pm #
source:
http://www.smallbusinessmajority.org/econ_research.php
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 9:08 pm #
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:03 pm #
Oh for pity’s sake, you aren’t even trying, JT.
Tell us where MANDATING citizens to PURCHASE a commodity under penality of law (fines and jail) is allowed in the Constitution.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 9:08 pm #
Cite?
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 9:14 pm #
The Small Business Majority, courtesy of the wingnut New York Times.
Fail.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 9:19 pm #
þhank you, Pablo. That was hysterical.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 9:34 pm #
#
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:07 pm #
source:
http://www.smallbusinessmajority.org/econ_research.php
I’ll take “What comes out of the south end of a north bound horse” for $1,000 Alex.
Comment by JT on 11/8 @ 9:40 pm #
The truth always fails for those in denial
Comment by Joe on 11/8 @ 9:43 pm #
I hate to defend JT because he/she/it is a complete and utter douchenozzel, but the battle over the constitutionality of this sort of government intervention was lost more than 70 years ago. They can work around it by calling it a tax, or a penalty, or something else, but ultimately this is about the government having control of your life. This is potentially a huge loss of freedom and there are not five votes in the Supreme Court to stop it.
That Republicans allowed this to happen in the House is a disgrace (and the modification on abortion funding allowed that to happen) and now we have to hold tight and peel off a few Democrats to block it or a few more (can we get 10) to defeat it in the Senate.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 9:44 pm #
Yes, it does, JT. But recognizing that you have a problem is the first step in solving it. We’re here for you, Bunky.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 9:46 pm #
Anyone know where I can get a good deal on a new irony meter? Mine just blew a fuse.
Comment by Pablo on 11/8 @ 9:47 pm #
They’re calling it a tax, a tax on your failure to buy a product the government will be selling. It’s utterly unconstitutional, and I suspect the SCOTUS votes are there to kill it, should it pass, which is unlikely.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 9:51 pm #
Don’t jump in on the wrong side here, Joe.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/8 @ 9:51 pm #
If the Silly Right was really so concerned about health care reform, you would have shut up last year and given your candidates a chance to win.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 9:53 pm #
Joe
The Pelosi bill specifically forbids across state-line purchasing…how the hell can this be “interstate” commerce?
This is akin to Obama, now that he owns Government Motors, ordering people to buy a Chevy Malibu or go to jail.
Madness.
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 9:54 pm #
wow, snotty, you have a really late bedtime curfew at the home!
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/8 @ 9:59 pm #
My spidey sense tells me that JT is motivated by a desire for free shit.
Comment by Nan on 11/8 @ 10:00 pm #
I’m imagining this travesty of a health care bill passes. JT develops appendicitis and gets put on the government mandated waiting list while they see if he(??) qualifies, and then waits and indeterminate period of time while they for an available operating room. Good times, good times.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 10:01 pm #
The Beagles vs the Cowgirls is a heckuva game.
Comment by Nan on 11/8 @ 10:02 pm #
And fill in the missing words, please; it’s past my bedtime.
Comment by SporkLift Driver on 11/8 @ 10:03 pm #
Tell me how doing more of what’s driving costs up helps to control costs (unless by control you to mean drive up), otherwise FAIL.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/8 @ 10:08 pm #
JT – how many meals in a given week do you “skip” from dumpsters?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/8 @ 10:15 pm #
If women who can’t afford abortions can’t get them, their neglected kids will become delinquent, join gangs, rob, rape and/or kill you.
That’s where concealed carry comes in. Or are we supposed to be disarmed and frightened so we’re more apt to support statist power grabs?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/8 @ 10:16 pm #
My favorite was when Brackabama compared his healthcare scheme – favorably – to the United States Postal Service, which has proposed ending Saturday service as an answer to its latest budgetary woes.
This is instructive, because we learn that Mr. Brackabama is so much a Mandarin that he hasn’t ever had that universal experience of waiting in line at your local Post Office where one surly employee handles the “customers” as two or three dilly-dally behind the counter at non-productive tasks. Having had this experience, you’d think that Brackabama’s favorable comparison was satire, but alas, no.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/8 @ 10:19 pm #
Here’s the part I found most side-splitting:
Small Business Majority has no membership — if it did, Mr. Arensmeyer says, it could no longer objectively represent all of small business, since memberships are by definition self-selecting.
So the best way to represent small business is to completely eschew relationships with small businessmen in favor of cozy huddles with Democratic Party apparatchiks who can’t be trusted to run so much as a lemonade stand.
You really can’t make this shit up.
Comment by Big D on 11/8 @ 10:22 pm #
Cowgirls JD? You’re forgiven this one time.
Colts? Heh, geldings maybe.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/8 @ 10:26 pm #
I don’t think you understand, Spork – with a stroke of Chocolate Jesus’ pen, it becomes “free.” Government-generated reality, I think it’s called.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/8 @ 10:31 pm #
1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.
Cite?
That means that over the last 10 years, assuming a typical family of four, 60 million people have been thrown into the streets and 15 million homes foreclosed upon just because of health care costs.
And we’re supposed to take JT seriously.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 10:45 pm #
Touche` Big D. Helluva game tonite. Far more entertaining than reading this juvenile prattle from JT.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/8 @ 10:50 pm #
1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable property taxes, which rise faster than medical costs.
This is fun, I can do this all night.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 10:56 pm #
It was damned painful to watch for me JD, despite the ‘Boys coming away with the win. Every other play had a penalty call. Ugly, fugging ugly is all. I gotta think (without looking actually) that Dallas is the most penalty prone team in the league.
Comment by maggie katzen on 11/8 @ 11:02 pm #
actually, I think it’s more likely here seeing as how when I googled “1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs” and that was the first page that comes up and that fact is sourced to here:
10. Robertson, C.T., et al. “Get Sick, Get Out: The Medical Causes of Home Mortgage Foreclosures,” Health Matrix, 2008.
not the small business people.
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 11:08 pm #
Nice work maggie, the rest of it is there too. Plagiarism is all the rage these days with Joe Biden sitting as VP I guess.
Comment by maggie katzen on 11/8 @ 11:12 pm #
or rather, I suppose I should say small business person. *snerk*
Comment by cranky-d on 11/8 @ 11:14 pm #
Wow is JT a moron. If you want to lower health care costs, you stop the government from underpaying for services, stop requiring insurance coverage for things people don’t want to have covered, reduce the amount of paperwork (required by the government) filled out every time someone sees a doctor, do some tort reform so malpractice awards (and therefore the associated insurance) are reduced, allow competition for health insurance across state lines, etc. In other words, make it more attractive to be a health care professional and reduce the cost of insurance to the customer. Both things are easily done by applying good old capitalism.
Comment by JD on 11/8 @ 11:15 pm #
Sdferr – Yes, they have passed the Raiders as the most undisciplined team in the league. But damn, that defensive line is talented.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/8 @ 11:16 pm #
For the proggy mind, the solution to problems caused by regulation is even more regulation. That’s because they are dumber than a bag of hammers, and my apologies to any hammers that are offended by the comparison.
If hammers can be offended of course. I mean, they’re inanimate. I think.
Comment by geoffb on 11/8 @ 11:19 pm #
No, not funny, expansive, generous in its freedom. Anyone not only can represent the interests of any group, but do so in a much more fair and even handed way than the actual members of that group. The possibilities are endless.
A little money to set up the “organization”, a fax machine and some writing skills, voila, you’re an interest group. Defending the rights of anyone or anything. What a racket.
Comment by maggie katzen on 11/8 @ 11:21 pm #
hmmmmmm. who wants to fund the “Unemployed Accounting Clerks of America”?
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 11:24 pm #
“[whatever]…way than the actual members of that group.”
Kinda like the way JT upthread was proclaiming what the GOP stands for I guess.
Comment by maggie katzen on 11/8 @ 11:33 pm #
we have cupcakes!
Comment by sdferr on 11/8 @ 11:53 pm #
Snack teas-ist! Denounced!
Comment by geoffb on 11/9 @ 12:25 am #
Red velvet?
I’m in.
Comment by Joe on 11/9 @ 1:12 am #
Comment by Darleen on 11/8 @ 9:53 pm #
Don’t get me wrong Darleen, I hope you are correct. But remember that McCain-Feingold would never past constitutional muster, yet it managed to do so.
The good thing about Pelosi’s mess of a bill is Harry Reid probably can’t make it fly in the Senate. He gets the blame for failure, not Nancy. Still, if we are not paying attention, something bad could happen.
And while I would have preferred seeing the Eagles and Cowboys lose tonight, that was a very good game.
Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 5:09 am #
Jeenyus. Hey, lookie here:
Comment by alppuccino on 11/9 @ 5:20 am #
Did I have to check a box that said I had health insurance when applying for a mortgage? I don’t remember. I had to verify income though. I bet there were a few foreclosures due to unverified income turning out to be verified un-income. But renters are second class citizens and are looked down upon by home owners as inferior. And those newly-elevated 1st class citizens have been foreclosed on and now they are looked upon as innocent victims, exploited by capitalism.
Get out of the city and get off the grid.
Comment by Carin on 11/9 @ 6:40 am #
f the Silly Right was really so concerned about health care reform, you would have shut up last year and given your candidates a chance to win.
Snowcow’s just dialing it in.
Comment by syn on 11/9 @ 8:44 am #
“Bart Stupak Thinks He Knows What I Can Do With My Body”
It isn’t HER body which doctors terminated; She would have a point if in fact it were her body and brain the doctor was scrambling.
Comment by meya on 11/9 @ 10:37 am #
“The Pelosi bill specifically forbids across state-line purchasing…how the hell can this be “interstate” commerce?”
I liked how the GOP bill not only restricted a state’s ability to define what is sold within its border, but also defined things like american samoa and the virgin islands as a “state” — so all that the lobbyist had to do was change the law in american samoa and then you could sell insurance regulated under those rules.
Comment by Pablo on 11/9 @ 10:50 am #
Yah, those silly lobbyists are always changing the law all willy nilly like.
meya, are you and snowcone having some sort of contest?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/9 @ 11:40 am #
Oh, that’s rich. 1.5 million foreclosures a year attributed to excessive healthcare costs, but only 400k actual foreclosures a year. This Harvard guy’s got some ’splainin’ to do.
Oh, he didn’t say 1.5 million foreclosures a year, he said:
“In jeopardy” and “last year”. While it’s true that 1.2 million foreclosures were filed, for whatever reason 405k was the actual number of foreclosures processed.
Methinks the root cause analysis doesn’t yet have an accurate failure mode to kick it off just yet.
But some people you can’t have that conversation with. Some people seem to think that lack of health insurance is a cause of death. Screw the pancreatic cancer, this is lack of health insurance we’re dealing with.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/9 @ 11:42 am #
Somebody just flunked their civics exam. No American citizenship for you!
Trackback by Maggie's Farm on 11/10 @ 4:11 am #
Tuesday morning links, posted early…
Going Muslim vs. Going Postal. What about Going Medieval and Going Menopausal?
Not a joke: ‘Islam not responsible’ for Fort Hood massacre: US imam
Related: The O identifies the real extremists. Ace
Related: “Concerned” about the wrong things….
Comment by meya on 11/10 @ 12:56 pm #
“While it’s true that 1.2 million foreclosures were filed, for whatever reason 405k was the actual number of foreclosures processed.”
Maybe there’s a delay — so something filed in a year is not necessarily resolved in that year.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 1:06 pm #
And maybe when a foreclosure is filed in one year and completed in the next, they just don’t count it at all. Yeah, that’s the ticket! That must be why the numbers don’t jibe.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 1:07 pm #
Or maybe people refinance, short sell or otherwise settle their delinquency issues.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/11 @ 12:36 pm #
No, the “numbers” are bullshit, after they were caveated by “in jeopardy”. I wonder how we’re supposed to measure “in jeopardy”, particularly if there’s no record of that condition at all? Particularly, I add, if there are 300k more “in jeopardy” mortgages than there are foreclosure filings.
That’s assuming, I also add, 100% correlation between foreclosure and financial difficulties resulting from excessive medical bills, which I’ll bet a double-sawbuck is not supported anywhere.