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November 5, 2009
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Comment by LTC John on 11/5 @ 7:35 pm #
I’m not liking the way the murderer comes across as someone who really should have been given a bit of a look see well before this happened. But I’ll have to wait for further information.
I am afraid the excuse making and PC nonsense will be full throttle by the time I finish typing this…
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/5 @ 7:38 pm #
No. Not a tragedy. An atrocity; but not a tragedy.
A tragedy is when bad things without any rhyme or reason happen. A planned assault is not a tragedy.
Ours is to pray for the living, mourn the dead, and encourage justice in following all of the threads of the attackers’ lives in order to find all associated with this and deliver justice in its own measure.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 7:44 pm #
allan ackbar president hussein. nice cairo speech. infidels know your heart.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 7:47 pm #
LTC John
You know what makes me grit my teeth? Why was the FBI… the FBI for crissakes … immediately on the horn telling us what this wasn’t? I KNOW there hadn’t be any time to figure out the why, but there they are trotting out “oh, this wasn’t terrorism, nope, nada, nothing to see.”
WTF??? They can’t say it factually so it is what it appears to be … political crap.
ARGH
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 7:47 pm #
I’m hearing a PTSD by proxy storyline developing in the press. These early news reports are almost always wrong or misleading though. Still… It is strange to think a man reported to be a psychiatrist could so lose his grip on himself, could utterly fail to check down his own impulses or merely self-report to colleagues should they have failed to notice him cracking on their own.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/5 @ 7:49 pm #
#1 LtC John: It is always a problem to order, to suggest, a ‘look-see’ into anyone, because the person who suspects also has the ‘what if I am wrong’ going in his or her head. Very few want to disrupt an organization of any type by doing that, and very few want to be pegged as ‘paranoid’ by bringing questions up.
Organizational inertia is an easy thing to bend to. (I am a govt. employee; I know that.) Then again, there may have been no overt signs, or no one person saw all of the signs to justify doing something. (One person saw a sign; and a second person saw another; and a third; etc.; but no person saw enough to put something together.)
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 7:50 pm #
“It is strange to think a man reported to be a psychiatrist ”
once a muslim always a muslim. sortof like proggs.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 7:53 pm #
so a jordanian muslim shoots up a place and the discussion is about his degree?
Comment by Chris S. on 11/5 @ 7:54 pm #
Ayers must be proud. Or jealous.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 7:56 pm #
The FBI is usually less gay than the CIA. Used to be anyway.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 7:57 pm #
Not a tragedy. Hamlet is a tragedy. Christ on His cross, the poor families… I’m keeping to the 48 hour rule, even though the conclusion before me is practically begging me to jump to it. And do a mexican hat dance on its ugly face.
Comment by Chris S. on 11/5 @ 7:58 pm #
People who enter psychology and psychiatry usually require the services they provide. Never met a shrink who didn’t need a shrink.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 7:58 pm #
sdferr
How could it be PTSD when, AFAIK, he’s never been deployed anywhere but Walter Reed hospital before Ft. Hood?
Comment by LTC John on 11/5 @ 7:59 pm #
Mikey, I am still waitinhg to see more about this @#$%. First impressions were that he had been acting really off for a little while now. But, more to learn, more to follow before knowing for sure. The religious angle of this is awful – and is going to be the hardest to ignore – but it will be misanalyzed, spun, downplayed, ignored, etc.
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:00 pm #
So you’ve never heard the term “by proxy” used before Darleen? I don’t know how it could be PTSD at all, it’s just the storyline I’m hearing developing between the lines put out by the press. That’s all.
Comment by LTC John on 11/5 @ 8:00 pm #
I have stopped even listening to FBI first impressions. Well, maybe if it is a local bank robbery, I will.
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:03 pm #
Here, for instance, is the WSJ’s take:
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 8:05 pm #
Dana says that the dirty socialist media is using a suicidal troops blah blah blah misdirection…
are y’all noticing that? also Dana has this:
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:06 pm #
So you’ve never heard the term “by proxy” used before Darleen?
I hope you’re being sarcastic, because if someone can claim PTSD merely from hearing stories then this country is doomed.
BTW…just heard the murderer’s cousin claiming that Hasan loved the military but was fed up with being “harassed” because of his “ethnicity”.
uh oh
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:08 pm #
The suicide angle happyfeet, front and center.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 8:09 pm #
I got news for the FBI: A Muslim who would rather kill his fellow soldiers than Muslim terrorists is a fucking terrorist by any reasonable definition.
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:12 pm #
I wasn’t being sarcastic Darleen. That, however doesn’t imply that I think the storyline I’m describing is worth much as an account of what has taken place but merely that it is what I hear taking shape. As far as the country being doomed goes……let’s just say there are much worse conditions now prevailing toward that end, and leave it there.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/5 @ 8:12 pm #
#14 – LTC John – I want to know more also. My little bro is a Major at Fort Bragg*, and I love him. I can speculate until the cows come home; but I want to know.
*He left Fort Polk about three years ago, did the NDC thing at Bolling; and is back at the Bragg that he loves. I was there last weekend for a quick visit – the girls are soooo cute – one was Cinderella (I’m a princess!) and the other was a bumblebee (’cause she is in the way she runs about).
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 8:12 pm #
That’s cancel my subscription to the Wall Street Journal and ram the last copy up Rupert Murdoch’s perverted ass stupid I think.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:14 pm #
Live Press conference now
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 8:15 pm #
so what does the muslim president and commander in chief do about the muslim army killer? more speeches in cairo?
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:15 pm #
SHOOTER HASAN IS NOT DEAD
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 8:16 pm #
I hope he’s at least in a lot of pain.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 8:17 pm #
major hasan still alive?
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:19 pm #
Yes, HASAN is still alive…in the hospital in stable condition.
wow
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 8:19 pm #
They didn’t fucking kill him? Are you fucking kidding me?
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:20 pm #
the female first responder who initially shot Hasan and was shot in return and she was reported dead…she is out of surgery and alive.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 8:20 pm #
They’ve heard his cry for help, B Moe.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 8:20 pm #
B Moe
“shot several times” but still alive.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 8:23 pm #
cowardly muslim. real muslims use suicide vests
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:31 pm #
After watching the press conference I’ve come away with the impression that those beret headcovers look goofy beyond belief. Beanies almost that just need little propellers to set them off right and proper.
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 8:34 pm #
CNN reports that the FBI was already looking at this guy for suicide bombing related postings on the interweb.
I’m kinda glad he’s not dead, B Moe. He could be useful alive, for a while.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 8:35 pm #
“Beanies almost that just need little propellers to set them off right and proper.”
noo doug hoffman has that trade marked
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 8:36 pm #
Something tells me this is a game-changer.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 8:40 pm #
“Something tells me this is a game-changer.”
for who?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 8:42 pm #
meaning the little president man will have to put his Muslim-killing game face on a few weeks before he goes to pick up his gay-assed peace prize?
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 8:43 pm #
The best part is that the civilian cop reported killed isn’t dead either. She’s a DOD contractor and she appears to be who shot Hasan. She is also alive and in stable condition.
You go, girl.
Oh, and that memory hole thing ain’t gonna work this time.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 8:45 pm #
He will be a poster boy for the anti-war zealots, we will spend millions trying to prosecute, and he will probably get a book deal before he leaves the hospital.
Sorry, but I am acutely cynical right now.
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 8:53 pm #
How the fuck does this guy get to be the head doctor we send young troops to?
B Moe, fuck the anti war zealots. We’re fighting Obama’s war. As for Hasan, court martial will not be good to him.
As I’m listening to that link I just posted, I really want to break something.
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 8:54 pm #
Ditto on the breakage, Pablo, though thanks for the link anyhows.
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 8:56 pm #
Yes, BMoe, you are being cynical, and trivial. The deranged muzzi fragged his Fort. My heart goes out to the victims’ families. We may never know the truth.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 8:58 pm #
I just got a bad, bad feeling about the kind of PR games this fucker can pull if he plays his cards right.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/5 @ 8:59 pm #
“Michelle Obama is one of those people who argues that a racist incident can be said to have occurred whenever the putative victim feels that it has occurred. This is, at root, a cynical kind of madness” -JeffG
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 8:59 pm #
You may not be able to figure it out, but it is pretty fucking obvious to most of us.
Comment by ThomasD on 11/5 @ 8:59 pm #
Never met a shrink who didn’t need a shrink.
Need doesn’t matter, it is a mandatory aspect of the profession.
And yes, they are the textbook definition of self selected.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:00 pm #
Go back to sleep, snowcone, we don’t need a clown right now.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 9:01 pm #
I don’t think Michelle Obama has dick to do with this.
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 9:05 pm #
What’s obvious, BMoe? That servicemen can lose it? Or better yet, why isn’t our hypervigilant government vetting them more closely?
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:06 pm #
so was the “major” a leftist or islamist kook
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 9:07 pm #
Bing West video on combat in Afghanistan, courtesy of Bill Roggio. Roggio on West:
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:07 pm #
“Or better yet, why isn’t our hypervigilant government vetting them more closely?”
like president hussein?
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 9:09 pm #
He’s in the Army, B Moe. Aside from his lawyers spinning, PR is not going to be an arrow in his quiver. When’s the last time you heard from Hasan Akbar?
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 9:09 pm #
Oddly enough, the President is vetted by the voters. Military, not so much.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:09 pm #
Whatever ponderous parallel you’re trying to insinuate isn’t coming across.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:10 pm #
For snowcone, that was.
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 9:11 pm #
Um, no.
Now that’s a damned good question. How was this douchebag even in the Army?
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 9:11 pm #
“…the President is vetted by the voters…”
Or not, as the case may be. Mostly not this last time around.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:13 pm #
But it fits you too, cynn.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:13 pm #
Akbar didn’t happen domestically, and he didn’t have an army of fellow psychiatrists ready to explain how the uncaring military/imperial American government/evil crusading Christians/greedy corporate warmongers all victimized him until he had no choice.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:15 pm #
“Oddly enough, the President is vetted by the voters.”
look like shit on tuesday for president hussein
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:16 pm #
I would just feel a lot better all the way around if they would have made damn sure this fucker wasn’t breathing before the paramedics were called in, is all I am saying. Don’t give the enemy any openings.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:16 pm #
obama ackbar
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 9:18 pm #
Oh, that’s not gonna fly, B Moe. And it appears that Hasan sucked as a shrink. Less than a year in practice, bad OER at Walter Reed. He’s not one of them and they’ll do their best to make that clear. And even if they wanted to, the venue will be restricted. No, they’re going to try to stuff this one in the memory hole.
You think Creigh Deeds had it bad…
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:18 pm #
the goofball muslim had to go on TEEVEE to show he be in charge
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 9:19 pm #
I’m hoping to hear the jihad justification out of him before he’s executed. Actually, I’m hoping Baracky hears it.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:19 pm #
I would just feel a lot better all the way around if they would have made damn sure this fucker wasn’t breathing before the paramedics were called in, is all I am saying. Don’t give the enemy any openings.
Wring the intel out of him, then arrange a mysterious high-speed hospital gurney crash.
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 9:20 pm #
Here’s where my game-changer piece comes in. Anyone would want a vicious killer to get caught or killed. You all want bloody revenge. Mourn the lost; remember the cost.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:20 pm #
…the poor families…the poor families….christ…
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:21 pm #
Mourn the lost; remember the cost.
Thank you, Jesse Jackson. The TV cameras are over that way.
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 9:22 pm #
“…hoping to hear the jihad justification out of him…”
Or the idiotic leftist political screeds, either way or both (probably both), it’ll do the country good to look them both straight in the face and reply, “Go to hell, champ.”
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:23 pm #
What I really want to know is where Homeland Security was while this lunatic was explaining to anybody and everybody what he wanted to do the last sixth months. And I want to know where the buck stops now?
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:24 pm #
“You all want bloody revenge. ”
September 11, 2001
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:24 pm #
Anyone would want a vicious killer to get caught or killed. You all want bloody revenge.
MALCOLM: Dispute it like a man.
MACDUFF: I shall do so;
But I must also feel it as a man
*
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/5 @ 9:25 pm #
#68 Pablo – he wouldn’t be the first person promoted/transferred out of your hair in the military – not by a long shot.
Comment by SBP on 11/5 @ 9:25 pm #
Bye, William.
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 9:25 pm #
Good question.
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:26 pm #
If you know of any, please point them out.
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:26 pm #
“You all want bloody revenge. ”
darfur
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:26 pm #
McVeigh was one person, one attack. The tea partiers peacefully congregated and waved some rude signs. But don’t let me interrupt your self-pleasurin’…
Comment by Snowcone on 11/5 @ 9:29 pm #
Whatever ponderous parallel you’re trying to insinuate isn’t coming across.
I thought JeffG’s writings on intentional were easy to understand and on point in this case.
“…find some personal or partisan gain from pandering to the appetite for victimhood and the moral authority that it is accorded. And if you reward victimhood by according it this special status and esteem, then you incentivize it, in the parlance and the parliament of our betters. And when this happens, human relations are the victim, and mutual respect is the victim, and we are all victims.”
Comment by newrouter on 11/5 @ 9:30 pm #
“I guess by this logic, we need to fear white right wing terrorists since McVeigh killed 20x as many”
no we need to fear leftoid like mcveigh terrorists in league with islamist.
fuck your centralized secular/religion power play
Comment by SBP on 11/5 @ 9:33 pm #
How about we not let NippleNut and the Nutty Guitar Professor drag this thread off-topic for once?
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 9:35 pm #
This is the joke that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends…
STFU, snowcone.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:37 pm #
snowcone:
Okay, I can see where this situation might remind you of that. However, in cases of terrorism, I’m more drawn to this R. A. Lafferty quote:
“How is a person or a world unmade or unformed? First, by being deformed. And following the deforming is the collapsing. The tenuous balance is broken. Insanity is induced easily under the name of the higher sanity. Then the little candle that is in each head is blown out on the pretext that the great cosmic light can better be seen without it.”
Comment by B Moe on 11/5 @ 9:39 pm #
Can’t
Stop
Laughing.
Comment by cynn on 11/5 @ 9:40 pm #
Nobody is claiming victimhood here. Nobody is hiding behind an artificial wall composed of historical outrages and cultural offronts. This is a moron who has created victims by his apparently inividual act of violence, which caused anguish to countless people. We should consider the real victims, but of course this must be made into a pinata full of snakes.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/5 @ 9:41 pm #
I’m more drawn to this
Intentionalism aside, you gotta be crazy to want to kill someone?
I agree, SI.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:47 pm #
You’re conflating insanity and justice, if I understand you aright. Big if, some days. –>This murdering scum should shuffle off this mortal coil soonest.<– Nothing crazy about that.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 11/5 @ 9:53 pm #
Can’t think about this anymore tonight. I’m off to condole myself in the exquisite embrace of my nearest & dearest. God bless the victims & their families…
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/5 @ 9:56 pm #
So if the federal authorities have been watching Hasan for 6 months, and had his internet posts, why didn’t they, you know, actually talk to his army commanders? I’m sure it wouldn’t have taken a rocket scientist to see the posts, see his record from Walter Reed, see his objections to deployment, and hear the anecdotal evidence of Colonel Lee, who Sheppie-boi could get for TV in like-15 minutes, and get a clue that this guy was a danger to himself and others…
Sound like all of the pre-9/11 cluster fuck all over again…
And please…PLEASE, don’t try the “he got PTSD from listening to all of the tales of woe” that he heard from, you know, guy’s who had actually been deployed! That’s where the media’s heading babay, after a day or so for the shock wears off-that’s where they’re going with this!
I mean, what better excuse could they hand O!, on a silver effin platter, to decide to declare victory and bug out of Afghanistan…
I can hear him now; “Afghanistan is not the good war I thought I knew…It’s bad for people and all living things…We’re gonna do like eleventy star general fightin’ Joe suggests and just bomb women and children indiscriminantly from the air-but not in the same way that eeeevolll Boooooosh! bombed innocent women and children, we’ll do it in the awesomely righteous way”…
I can see it coming
Comment by sdferr on 11/5 @ 9:58 pm #
I wonder where the “Hasan is a muslim convert” story that floated out there came from, when his brother says he was born and has always been muslim? And what was the use of it?
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:00 pm #
God bless the victims and their families. Thread winner right there, TSI.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:03 pm #
Hasan had a ‘poor performance evaluation’ at Walter Reed Medical Center. And so he’s deployed to Iraq as punishment? Punishment for whom?
Comment by Hvy Mtl Hntr on 11/5 @ 10:07 pm #
So the shooter is still alive? It is completely inexcusable that this guy was not smoked out earlier- screw th PC crap; Islam delared war on us awhile back.
My prayers go out to the families of the fallen and those wounded.
Comment by Pablo on 11/5 @ 10:13 pm #
Not to mention his cousin, whom Shep also had real quick like. Thing is, Fox isn’t really a news organization, so….whatevah.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:16 pm #
Oh, and I’m sorry, but Damn You, Bill Clinton!
We needed to have capacity to predict future threats. How many Muslim men who start to seem distraught for the wrong reasons, post near-threats and edgy online statements, wind up as terrorist killers? Suicidal terrorist killers? Enough to justify keeping an eye on other Muslims who also might be so predisposed? We can’t look at ‘em cross-eyed in airport lines, but this is the supposedly-regimented military!
Has our military become nothing more than another lefty social experiment?
Comment by Joe on 11/5 @ 10:17 pm #
Thank you for all Vietnam Veterans for their service.
Comment by Joe on 11/5 @ 10:19 pm #
And I am so sorry to those who suffer today from this event. It is a horrible crime.
Comment by geoffb on 11/5 @ 10:20 pm #
So, a 2nd derivative disorder to go with all the 2nd derivative economic numbers thrown out by the administration as good news. The rate of increase of the rate of increase of unemployment is decreasing.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:21 pm #
The crime, Joe, is also that there are crimes within crimes here. This incident was most likely completely avoidable. There should be hell to pay, up and down the ranks.
Comment by Hvy Mtl Hntr on 11/5 @ 10:22 pm #
Thank goodness we have the FBI to let us know this does not constitute an act of terror- he was merely conflicted about US foreign policy.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:25 pm #
The FBI is now another socially-conscious program, completely immersed in the business of raising nice, fluffy bunnies. They, like most other Government agencies, are but the husks of what they used to be.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/5 @ 10:29 pm #
The defense of the killer has already started.
Geraldine Ferraro was on Hannity saying that the killer was being harassed due to his Muslim culture.
Great Geraldine, so it’s ok now that he killed 12 and wounded another 31. Thanks for clearing that up dear.
She just could not help herself. It’s a fucking Pavlovian reflex with the left.
Who cares about all the dead soldiers, the real victim is the Muslim who couldn’t take some heat after displaying animosity towards the very people he was supposed to be helping.
This happened in 2003 as well, in Iraq.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 10:34 pm #
Geraldine Ferraro insults the many fine American soliders who happen to both be Muslim AND serving their country without murdering their comrades.
Comment by SDN on 11/5 @ 10:36 pm #
“So if the federal authorities have been watching Hasan for 6 months, and had his internet posts, why didn’t they, you know, actually talk to his army commanders?”
Well, when the federal authorities are being led by a Muslim-educated CinC who, oh BTW, has no problem being BFF’s with terrorists, that may have led to a certain “chilling effect”.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/5 @ 10:42 pm #
Exactly Darleen,
Ferraro thinks all of this happened in a vacume – that just because the soldier was a Muslim, those mean GI’s just had to harass him because, well they are mean.
He got harassed because he was showing too much concern for the actual enemy that the U.S. military was engaged in destroying.
In effect, he got harassed because he was rooting for the enemy.
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 10:45 pm #
ghost707
let me say if the “harassment” is being claimed only by the evil murderer and his family, I’m going to find those claims less than credible without independent verification.
we know now the Columbine murderers were NOT bullied as the media liked to portray.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:51 pm #
Should we then, Darleen, excuse Muslim men from serving if they are to be deployed to fight others who are also Muslim? How do we go about culling the chaff from the wheat?
There must be some way to check for these murderers, without causing apoplexy to the Left. You know, that insidiously omnipotent Left, those who now seem to be in control of every facet of every person’s life, from cradle to grave, by means of the tools of political correctness?
There’s no excuse for this. We should have, could have prevented this from happening. We had the tools; we lacked the stones.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 10:55 pm #
That we’re talking about what Geraldine Ferraro thinks is a pretty big indictment of Fox News I think. Cable news is gay.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 10:56 pm #
Cable news I just don’t like you in that way and no we can’t still be friends. Please, just go.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/5 @ 10:59 pm #
Unfortunately Darleen, the truth no longer seems to matter in this country.
Look who got elected President. He was the most liberal senator in the senate and was sold as a moderate.
Took a whole year before the truth got it’s pants back on and started making the rounds.
“I’m shocked there is gambling going on in this establishment!”
Any way, though I am agnostic, if there is a God, please bless all those in need.
Comment by Hvy Mtl Hntr on 11/5 @ 11:00 pm #
Once again, the left and MSM minions will find a way to twist facts around and blame it on America- See, we MADE him murder those soldiers that he swore to protect and serve with.
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 11:00 pm #
Frag Geraldine Ferraro. What I really want to know, is what does Bob Dole think?
/xarc
Comment by Darleen on 11/5 @ 11:07 pm #
serr8d
It’s the bureacracy again … the civilian higher ups are so anxious to prove how thoughtful and caring they are of the Other that jihadists can say/write outrageous stuff without worries.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/5 @ 11:07 pm #
I am really starting to agree with you happy, not even sure why I turned on the tv.
About the only thing worth watching is Bret Bair, the rest is just noise. Although I do like Glen Beck’s Red Phone to the White House – 100% pure snark and the ultimate in degarding satire pointed at the clowns in D.C.
Comment by Joe on 11/5 @ 11:14 pm #
Comment by serr8d on 11/5 @ 10:21 pm #
The crime, Joe, is also that there are crimes within crimes here. This incident was most likely completely avoidable. There should be hell to pay, up and down the ranks.
I don’t disagree.
Comment by mcgruder on 11/5 @ 11:24 pm #
oh man. [puts head in hands.]
I dont know whats worse–the horror for the families, the dead, or the series of “investigative” reports proclaiming a wave of army post-deployment violence.
The WSJ’s piece two days ago on the 130 military who commited suicide last year was bracing; this is gonna open the floodgates of awful.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/5 @ 11:57 pm #
I like muslims fine and I think a lot of people here also like muslims fine. I think people just get a little disappointed when folks get mass murdered by muslims or whoever, Timothy McVeigh even. You don’t notice unattended Ryder trucks? I sure as hell notice unattended Ryder trucks.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 12:00 am #
Like even though I went to UT way after the sniper guy, just walking under that tower all the time, it creeps you out. I tend to keep an eye on stuff above me now.
Also cause I’m from Texas even here in California if a car is parked on the street and I’m on the sidewalk and there’s like that little strip of grass between the sidewalk and the car? I step over the grass. You either know who or you don’t.
It all goes back to once bitten twice shy I think and muslims done more than their share of biting of late.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 12:01 am #
oops. that should have been You either know why or you don’t, not who.
Comment by geoffb on 11/6 @ 12:07 am #
130 suicides would be normal for a group of 1 million with half men and half woman between the ages of 20-24. Now if it is mostly men then 130 would be very low for 1 million men in that age group. So how many are in the group that the WSJ is reporting on?
I suspect that the suicide rate among our servicemen is quite low compared to the general population of that age group and sex. Not that that will be the narrative pushed.
Comment by Zelda on 11/6 @ 12:17 am #
I’m sick over this. I’ve known so many people and their families who’ve been through Ft. Hood. All the Lefties just seem so impatient to move past the sadness and get on with blaming the victims.
And Protard Whitedom? I know I shouldn’t even acknowledge it, but I can kind of see someone furrowing in deep concentration for a few hours before coming up with that and laughing nasally while a little bit of frothy white drool hangs from the corner of his mouth.
Comment by Zelda on 11/6 @ 12:19 am #
Oh sorry for acknowledging it. I’m glad that comment was deleted. It was ridiculous.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 12:24 am #
Well yeah it was ridiculous but I responded to it too and now my #123 looks like it was written by some borderline functionally retarded guy.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 12:24 am #
be nice
Comment by ghost707 on 11/6 @ 12:31 am #
Geoffb,
I believe the per capita numbers regarding all violence is lower on the military side than the civilian side.
The media pretty much ignores all city violence with regard to well, just about everything.
The media tried pushing the meme (for a short time)that returning combat soldiers would run amok killing willy-nilly, until they ran the numbers and found that civilians were really causing the greatest carnage rate per capita by far. I think it was the New York Times. Shocking, I know.
Comment by Zelda on 11/6 @ 12:33 am #
You started it off with “I like muslims fine” and that’s just pleasant to read.
Comment by geoffb on 11/6 @ 12:36 am #
ghost707, You are correct.
I just didn’t want the last paragraph by mcgruder to stand without some other input. That’s why I linked to the page of rates by age group over the years from 1950 on.
Comment by Darleen on 11/6 @ 12:49 am #
uh here’s some weirdness.. not one mention of this atrocity on
pandagon, feministing, feministe.us or bitchphd
Comment by maggie katzen on 11/6 @ 12:50 am #
please, Darleen, it’s not like girls should care about icky military things.
Comment by ghost707 on 11/6 @ 1:00 am #
Geoffb,
Just saw your link @126, I missed it first time around.
I was talking with my sister-in-law this evening and as usual, we ended up talking politics.
She thought I was lying when I told her MLK was a Republican.
I also told her to look up what the average wage was for a UAW employee – she is under the impression that they earn very little.
She is not dumb (though she did vote Obama), she hates Palin, although she could not give me one reason why she hates her – she just does (media influence anyone?)
The amount of bullshit people believe from the media is staggering, it’s part of the reason this country is on the brink of full on socialism.
Comment by dicentra on 11/6 @ 3:30 am #
It is strange to think a man reported to be a psychiatrist could so lose his grip on himself,
My father is a retired professor of psychology and is also a narcissist. His children have various mood disorders but he neither noticed let alone diagnosed one of them. Instead, when a new grandchild is still in diapers, he takes one look at him/her and declares some bit of nonsense about their mental health from the slightest of “symptoms.”
He definitely cannot see that he’s a narcissist, and if you were to present him with the list of evidence he would accuse you of making it all up just to get him. And he’d believe it.
One of my cousins (mothers’ side) decided to become a family therapist, and during the program’s required therapy sessions, began to “remember” the sexual abuse that was visited upon her by her father, her grandfather, and two uncles, none of whom are related except by marriage. She also accuses her four sisters (all of whom have strong personalities and are confident, accomplished women) of refusing to admit they were also molested. Having known her well as a child (only two years older than me), I remember her only as a well-adjusted, happy, creative child, as were her sisters.
Shrinks are just as screwed up as the rest of us and maybe more, because they know something is wrong and can’t put their finger on it.
Comment by dicentra on 11/6 @ 3:35 am #
Intentionalism aside, you gotta be crazy to want to kill someone?
Some people kill because they’re crazy, but most killers want something and leaving people alive doesn’t get them what they want.
IOW, not crazy but evil.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/6 @ 5:52 am #
A couple things:
Snowcone seems smarter than Obama. Let that marinate for a while
One MSM outlet spoke to another Ft. Hood chaplain. Malik Shabazz said he didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary with the shooter. I’m convinced.
And then that same idiot “news” outlet did a story on how Ft. Hood is no stranger to tragic ceremonies – then they went right into the 500+ deaths of Ft. Hood soldiers in over seas conflicts.
OK, it was a few things.
One more. Obama is an idiot.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/6 @ 6:31 am #
Why – was an abortion provider killed at Hood and it hasn’t been reported yet, Darleen?
Comment by B Moe on 11/6 @ 6:47 am #
He thought he was going to be one of those psychiatrists that only has to listen to happy people explain how wonderful life is.
Comment by Carin on 11/6 @ 7:08 am #
Prime example of why I don’t trust shrinks. This and dicentra’s example.
Comment by B Moe on 11/6 @ 7:19 am #
Just sayin….
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 7:39 am #
What does the disconnect suggest? Is it something we’d want to restrict to this man or that one, choosing examples as they come along into view and refuse to say about human beings in general? Or does the disconnect (“What disconnect are you talking about sdferr?” “Why, the evident disconnect between the rational mind of the man, his understanding and his actions, his will, if you will, or would we better say his emotional state?”) in this particular man speak to a similar disconnect in all? That we cannot hold the rational mind responsible for the actions of the person? That is to say, there is no executive check function present in the mind which can take or does take advantage of a lifetime of learning? That benefiting from that learning the man can use the substance of his study to rule his life and actions?
I don’t think that makes sense actually. If it did, we might say that, sure this guy had PTSD and didn’t know it and therefore could do nothing about it. On the contrary I say, he did not suffer from PTSD but knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He appears to have been at war.
Comment by Pablo on 11/6 @ 7:47 am #
Yes. Drew M. nailed it quite nicely over at Ace’s:
Meanwhile, Faleh Hassan Almaleki is on suicide watch. Let’s all shed a tear for the poor baby, shall we?
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 8:02 am #
BMoe – Oliver Willis is a Redskins fan too.
Comment by Pablo on 11/6 @ 8:03 am #
Shocka!
Comment by ThomasD on 11/6 @ 8:29 am #
It is strange to think a man reported to be a psychiatrist could so lose his grip on himself
What makes you think he lost his grip on himself? You presume part of his self includes some shared values with those around him.
Finger painting on yourself with feces is loosing one’s grip. Methodically gunning down uniformed representatives of your hated enemy is to be fully in the grip of yourself.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 8:38 am #
“What makes you think he lost his grip on himself? You presume part of his self includes some shared values with those around him.”
You are an ass ThomasD. Why is that?
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Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 8:44 am #
Some people just cannot help themselves, sdferr.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 8:45 am #
Ha!
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 8:48 am #
Walnut or Acacia?
Comment by SDN on 11/6 @ 8:55 am #
Guys, I work with someone who just got out of the Army and spent 4 years at Ft Hood. He said that Ft Hood is a very active training base and a deployment center. Because of that:
1. It is not unusual to see soldiers with their personal weapons in an area. They may have just come back from a field training exercise, or a deployment, and are going through various processing steps. At some point, that does include cleaning weapons and turning them into the armory; however, until they reach that point, each troop has custody of his personal weapon.
2. What they will not have is ammunition. Empty magazines are in the weapons; the only way to check that is to approach and examine that weapon directly. Therefore, the Major could have had loaded magazines in the guns and it wouldn’t have been obvious. Or, in BDUs, he could have had them in the cargo pockets and they wouldn’t have been all that visible.
Anecdotal, but fits the facts.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 8:59 am #
wait. That’s ThomasD, no? He’s a good guy, and smart. Really smart.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 9:03 am #
I meant to ask about the Acacia yesterday JD. The genus “Acacia” got so big (1,900+ species) that the taxonomists had to split it into 5 separate genera in order to fit better the actual evolution of the things, so I was wondering, do you know what species the lumber represents? There aren’t but a handful native to N. America and many of those are puny trees not fit for lumber. There are many hundreds, by contrast, from Australia and hundreds more from Africa. Personally, I’ve not come into contact with Acacia used for flooring though I don’t doubt that some of it can be both pretty to look on and fit to the purpose (hardness/wear, stable/flat, etc). Anyhow, what are we talking about when we say Acacia?
Walnut (American) is a little unusual for flooring, being as it is so specially good for furniture it gets used that way more often and being as there are other species not as good for furniture but quite serviceable on floors (red oak/white oak for instance). The Brazilian so-called Walnut is the Tabebuia (Ipe) stuff I was talking with SBP about, one of the most rot resistant of all the lumbers known to me and one also of the hardest, heaviest, strongest I know (and poisonous when inhaled as fine sawdust, to boot). But pretty too, in its own way.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 9:03 am #
So why can’t he read hf?
Comment by Pablo on 11/6 @ 9:04 am #
SDN, it appears that Hasan was armed with his personally owned weapons. A shrink would never be roaming around on Ft. Hood with issued weapons.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/6 @ 9:13 am #
I really don’t know what to add to this discussion so i’ll merely contribute the lyrics to the song sung at Darleen’s link:
To fallen soldiers let us sing,
Where no rockets fly nor bullets wing,
Our broken brothers let us bring
To the Mansions of the Lord
No more weeping,
No more fight,
No friends bleeding through the night,
Just Devine embrace,
Eternal light,
In the Mansions of the Lord
Where no mothers cry
And no children weep,
We shall stand and guard
Though the angels sleep,
Oh, through the ages let us keep
The Mansions of the Lord
God’s grace, peace and comfort to the families of those who have suffered and died as the result of this abomination.
Comment by Squid on 11/6 @ 9:16 am #
I think tempers are a little short right now, sdferr. How ’bout you and Thomas just agree to agree, and keep the friendly fire to a minimum?
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 9:18 am #
I don’t cotton to being accused of having thoughts that I don’t have is all, Squid, especially when I’ve spent time expressing thoughts that demonstrate the plain opposite. How do you take to such things?
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 9:24 am #
sdferr – If I read that correctly, and making some assumptions, it sounds like you would recommend “Brazilian” walnut, then American, then Acacia (depending on the genus). In the specific, it was a less red version of Brazilian Cherry, I believe.
Back on topic – MSNBC is disgusting.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 9:26 am #
I don’t think he meant it like that… it was definitely wry and maybe tart but I don’t think he was aiming at you exactly. He hasn’t been around lately but for real he’s a good one.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 9:28 am #
As Danger says, Aim Downrange. BTW, haven’t seen Danger around recently. That is never good.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/6 @ 9:33 am #
Me neither…
Comment by SDN on 11/6 @ 9:49 am #
Pablo: He was a shrink scheduled for deployment, and 9mm pistols look fairly similar. Not to mention that there is a civilian version of an M9.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 9:55 am #
“I don’t think he meant it like that… it was definitely wry and maybe tart but I don’t think he was aiming at you exactly.”
So it’s I that can’t read huh, where he quotes me and then says “What makes you think…? You presume…etc” doesn’t mean to refer to me at all? I’ll have to rethink then.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:14 am #
Less than making a recommendation JD, I was pointing to the aesthetic end you and better-half have reached in your decision process (while still in the dark about what Acacia portends, aesthetically speaking, and assuming it is ok as lumber for the use intended). If A. is like Brz Cherry, I’ve seen that (Brz Ch.) on a floor in a house my sis designed and it is gorgeous.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 10:19 am #
Better Half just read your comments, and has narrowed her choices to the “Brazilian” walnut, and the Acacia. Thanks for your help. I just want her to make up her mind ;-)
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 10:21 am #
As you note, it is really all about the aesthetics, especially with her.
Is the media still pushing the deranged psychiatrist with PTSD meme today?
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:23 am #
Looking briefly at the headlines on the frontpage of the WSJ, I’d say so JD. It can’t last much longer, can it?
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 10:26 am #
sdferr – I like how they report on the shooting suspect’s medical condition, but not the condition of the Officer that shot his bitch ass. Cute.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:27 am #
Then there’s “Pelosi’s Suicide Pact” wherein we learn that she doesn’t despair but is a hero jumping on a grenade to save her fellow soldiers, right?
Oh, wait, maybe she’s just nuts….
Comment by geoffb on 11/6 @ 10:27 am #
My take, because I have done it myself. Is when coming late to a long thread to start reading comments, react to something said in the first few without seeing that it is made more clear, with context, in the later comments and that my reaction was in error. YMMV.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 10:27 am #
That Taranto column is a thing of beauty.
Comment by geoffb on 11/6 @ 10:30 am #
Have to bake 3 apple pies for our Church’s bake sale tomorrow. Busy day.
Comment by ThomasD on 11/6 @ 10:33 am #
You are an ass ThomasD. Why is that?
I’m sorry my comment was somehow offensive to you. That was not my intent.
My point was that Hasan did not ‘lose’ his grip. In his mind his actions were entirely rational and intentional based on who he identified with and who he perceived to be his enemy.
When he shot US soldiers he was fully in the grip of his own identity as a Muslim at war with the US military.
In other words, he is not now nor was not then ‘crazy’ or otherwise psychologically or mentally deficient, but instead was was plainly and obviously fighting for the other side (that being Islamic terrorists.)
Saying he ‘lost his grip’ is to dismiss his acts as those of someone who was not in control of his own actions. I will not minimize his crime in that fashion.
I hope that makes my thoughts more clear.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:36 am #
Thanks ThomasD. I wonder though, have you figured out that I was not “saying” he lost his grip but was instead critiquing a media meme I saw growning in realtime and was loosing on that meme a rhetorical question intended to undermine it?
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/6 @ 10:39 am #
That’s cancel my subscription to the Wall Street Journal and ram the last copy up Rupert Murdoch’s perverted ass stupid I think.
With their immigration romanticism and greedheaded need for cheaper gardeners and maids, the WSJ crossed that point years ago.
Comment by ThomasD on 11/6 @ 10:43 am #
I honestly was not sure of your intent, so I just took it as is and added my own thoughts. I see now what you were doing. Just consider me the guy a little further back on the thought curve…
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:48 am #
Invoking our friend Danger, s’alright good man, rounds headed downrange.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 10:50 am #
This is much better, now. Friendly fire is Teh SuxXor.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 10:56 am #
I haven’t gone looking myself but I wonder how this murderous bastard is being treated in the Arabic press and how received by Arabic populations as they hear the news? However it may be, I haven’t encountered reports about it in our press as yet.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:07 am #
CAIR could not be reached for comment.
Comment by Ted 360 on 11/6 @ 11:11 am #
Actually Cair could be reached for comment
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS277121+05-Nov-2009+PRN20091105
But, you know, continue your slander
Comment by ThomasD on 11/6 @ 11:12 am #
Actually I don’t mind. If and when I say something egregious I’d rather hear it form people I trust and respect.
Back on track though, I do think it fortunate – in a way – that Hasan survived the event. Now he can face trial in an open military court, and whatever the Islamic press/world may think or say now now, it will have to face the eventual truth of whatever Hasan attempts to do at trial. Either he denies his beliefs in order to portray himself as psych case/victim, or stand for what he believes and submit himself to the verdict from a true system of justice that he willing chose to place himself under.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:14 am #
ted360’s mendoucheous douchenozzlery continues apace.
Comment by SBP on 11/6 @ 11:16 am #
Hush, Ted.
Comment by Carin on 11/6 @ 11:17 am #
Danger said last week or so he was going to be out of our loop for a while.
I remember because I told him to keep his head down.
Comment by B Moe on 11/6 @ 11:17 am #
Shame on you JD, slandering CAIR like that.
Comment by Carin on 11/6 @ 11:18 am #
Is that all Ted’s got?
Shit, I’d heard that.
come on. Tell us something new. Dazzle us!
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:18 am #
theodore’s last visit was a spectacular display of asshattery.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:19 am #
Fuckers did not return my call, so my comment was accurate, BMoe.
Comment by Carin on 11/6 @ 11:20 am #
like how they report on the shooting suspect’s medical condition, but not the condition of the Officer that shot his bitch ass. Cute.
I hope he’s in a lot of pain.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:21 am #
He’s lucky he is not in Canada, or he might be on a waiting list for treatment.
Comment by sdferr on 11/6 @ 11:24 am #
An aside, it appears Crazy Nancy may not have her over-the-cliff-jumping-expedition so soon after all. Will sanity prevail? Stay tuned.
Comment by JD on 11/6 @ 11:24 am #
Interestingly enough, when I clicked on that lying dishonest trolly thingie’s link, the ad banner for the page said “Can You Spot the Con Artist”.
Comment by SBP on 11/6 @ 11:25 am #
Me, I’m wondering if “Ted’s” nom de net is an homage to the late Senator for Life from Massachusetts (the 360 representing the approximate number of days per year he was drunk off his ass).
Comment by dicentra on 11/6 @ 11:52 am #
Will sanity prevail?
Only by accident. :D
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