GOP wins top office trifecta in Virginia.
Christie is (at this time) holding onto a 50%/44% lead over Corzine. (NYTimes 67% precincts reporting)
No word yet on NY-23 but Hoffman had a lead in the polls yesterday.
But the Obamacrat spin continues.
Hours after urging reporters not to draw sweeping conclusions from Tuesday’s gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO President Barack Obama wasn’t keeping an eye on the results.“He’s not watching returns,” Gibbs said.
The Obama administration and other top Democrats have consistently tried to play down the import of this week’s contests, which Republicans have sought to portray as a referendum on the Democratic-led government in Washington.
Open question, what distraction will Gibbs, Emanuel, Dunn or Axelrod trot out tomorrow?
Oh, not only a distraction from the election but from another huge repudiation of feckless Obama’s “open-hand diplomacy.”
Iran’s supreme religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Tuesday slammed President Barack Obama’s reconciliation efforts as insincere, as security forces and antigovernment protesters braced for a showdown Nov. 4 – the 30th anniversary of the US Embassy seizure by militant students.“The new president of the US …[sent] messages repeatedly – verbal, written – [saying] come, let us turn the page, come let us create a new situation,” Ayatollah Khamenei told a group of students. “Now eight months have passed [and] what we saw was opposite to what they have expressed in words…. The American government is a really arrogant power and the Iranian nation will not be deceived with its apparent reconciliatory behavior.”
…Obama’s further dithering on Afghanistan and Iran’s proxy, Hamas, now able to reach Tel Aviv with rockets.
Barack Hussein Obama…. Mmmmmm Mmmmmmm Mmmmmm
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:01 pm #
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:05 pm #
The Biggest Loser
I read somewhere today that maybe Reid indicated he was not sure they could pass healthcare reform this year?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/3 @ 9:06 pm #
I get roughly 53/47 for Christie, with Daggett factored out. This is getting fun.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:07 pm #
Have there been any lawsuits anywhere yet?
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:09 pm #
sdferr
that has to be Tweet winner of the night….
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:10 pm #
From Geraghty I learn of my old NJ county:
Rob Andrews, who can be a nasty piece of work when he wants to be, is the US Rep(D) there.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:11 pm #
Hey, never waste a crisis, right? Hoffman ain’t looking so hot, down 8% with 20% reporting.. But Politico is calling NJ for Christie, 49-43 with 71% in.
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:12 pm #
Christie 878,955 50%
Corzine 775,526 44%
Daggett 95,766 5%
Others 14,970 1%
72% reporting
from NYTimes
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:13 pm #
Well Darleen, Byron York did report that Frank Luntz has given the go ahead to attacking Obama by name so maybe Tapper has taken the message softly to heart and squeezes off his first round.
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 9:13 pm #
everyone finds O! a feckless idiot
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/3 @ 9:13 pm #
But, you know, none of these results reflect poorly on Obama, nor do they indicate any level of buyers remorse or dissatisfaction witht his policies in any way! Nothing to see here, move along wingnutz…You all didn’t win, we chose to lose…We wanted to make it look close so when Obamacare and cap-n-tax passes it will be the greatest turnaroun EVAR!
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/3 @ 9:15 pm #
Drudge has NJ called for Christie.
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 9:15 pm #
obama captain of the titanic
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:16 pm #
Geraghty again:
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:16 pm #
Something is brewing in NY-23, with a voting machine being impounded by court order. I dunno what’s up and Hoffman doesn’t either.
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:18 pm #
Christie 888,009 50%
Corzine 785,510 44%
Daggett 97,093 5%
Others 15,179 1%
74% reporting
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:18 pm #
Fox has called NJ for Christie.
Comment by JHo on 11/3 @ 9:18 pm #
Dingy just switched parties; trolls go silent.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:19 pm #
And MSNBC. So it is written, so it is done.
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:19 pm #
NY-23 had Owens’ and Scozzafava’s union backers unite against Hoffman
If it is close, they’ll steal it.
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 9:20 pm #
drudge:
UH O
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_election_rdp
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/3 @ 9:21 pm #
Hope those Congressional Demmies have their Depends on nice and tight tonight.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:21 pm #
Still plenty of time for the Dems to keep counting and counting and counting the votes …
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:22 pm #
What, if any, word out of Ca-10?
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:23 pm #
You in here yet hf?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 9:28 pm #
Obamacare does not look likely at this point.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:29 pm #
I’m here I got distracted again by nishi’s song.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:29 pm #
Nothing to see here. Move along. These are all local elections, based on local issues. They say nothing about the dirty little socialist what has the Hungarian muppet-master come visit him en la casa blanca and their jackbooted thugish minions. Nope. Nosirree.
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 9:31 pm #
obama hit algore’s iceberg
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:32 pm #
sdferr
I can’t find any real-time results yet for the Garamendi/Harmer match up…but CA is so gerrymandered it would be almost impossible for Garamendi to lose.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:33 pm #
If Bloomberg would lose I would know joy.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:34 pm #
Was Va also holding House of Delegates elections today? If so, anyone got a link to results?
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 9:35 pm #
“If Bloomberg would lose I would know joy.”
have a cigarette:)
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:36 pm #
The meme of the day will be that the result are an indictment of the theocratic politics of personal destruction preached by Palin.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:40 pm #
I wish I could smoke but I vowed never again after our little president man, a noted nicotine troll, who said no new taxes on the middle class, put expressly dirty socialist taxes on them. He’s an anorexic dirty socialist waif and I hate him.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:41 pm #
Man, McDonnell by 18+% is one serious ass-kicking.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:43 pm #
Polls close at the top of the hour. But Garamendi runs away with that one. It isn’t even a contest.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:44 pm #
JD, are you still keeping tabs on Obama’s personal service squad at MSNBC? If so, how are they handling the spinny-spin or have they simply collapsed their heads on their desks?
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:44 pm #
Obama kicked Deeds under the bus early….but he was stumping for Corzine only yesterday…
How he’ll backpeddle that one will be interesting to watch
Comment by Joe on 11/3 @ 9:44 pm #
Looks like Christie is okay. Virginia is not for Democrats. And hopefully Hoffman wins NY-23. So far so good.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:45 pm #
sdferr – I expected VA to be close, 5-6%. Are blow-outs normal there?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:45 pm #
Boston Mayor Tom Menino wins unprecedented 5th term.
that means it never happened before
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/3 @ 9:46 pm #
VA GOP won every seat if you guys wanted to know. I helped out at around 4 pm. You can partially thank me.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:47 pm #
I guess it’s time to chuck this in the bargain bin. Sorry, Crypt Keeper.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:47 pm #
sdferr – Tonight is a refutation of all that Sarah Palin stands for, theocracy, and whackadoodle, or something like that. That is what Crissy Mathews told us, and it has pretty much gone downhill since.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:48 pm #
Here’s a report on Va House o’ Delegates, Reps retain control, chance of slight increase possible.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 9:49 pm #
snotnose passed out for a while, rolled over, and kept right on lying.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 9:51 pm #
It’s almost like it can’t read.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:51 pm #
Phew, Obama won Va by 7% in 2008. So McDonnell’s margin makes the swing away tot. 25%. Yowser.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:51 pm #
this is gonna cost the dirty socialists a lot of money
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/3 @ 9:52 pm #
47
sorry ive been drinking but they won everything i voted on thats for sure.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 9:52 pm #
They aren’t gonna be getting any apple turnovers either, hf.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/3 @ 9:53 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 11/3 @ 9:47 pm #
I’d ignore NY-23 if I were you guys, too.”
We are, you retarded marmoset.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 9:54 pm #
No health cares neither. Little president man will be back on tv grinning like a foo tomorrow but we’ll know inside he’s not feeling so cocky no mores. People really despise him and everything he stands for is what we learned tonight.
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:56 pm #
Vagina Warrior Mandy is ignoring the election…she’s too busy claiming the Planned Parenthood director who resigned after EIGHT years is lying or continuing her delusion that scary white men didn’t vote for Obama because of teh racism.
Poor thing then goes into some certifiable projection.
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 9:58 pm #
Oh PSA… I’m bored with trolls. Please don’t respond. I will be deleting from here on out AND responses to them.
Comment by Retarded Marmoset Anti-Defamation League on 11/3 @ 9:58 pm #
We would ask that you do not compare that thing to us, or we will be forced to pursue all legal means available. Thank you for your consideration.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/3 @ 9:58 pm #
Patriarchy!!!
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 10:02 pm #
Hoffman is probably going to win I would think. If not then an enfeebled little president man and his dispirited band of dirty socialists will just have another seat to defend in 2010.
Comment by Retarded Marmoset Anti-Defamation League on 11/3 @ 10:02 pm #
It would probably be too much to ask to snotnose to support the asspull that anyone is throwing Hoffman under the bus …
Comment by Roland THTG on 11/3 @ 10:02 pm #
HAHAHAHA
Thorazine is out!
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 10:02 pm #
Whatever may come of the NY-23 race which is looking bad for Hoffman at the moment, they have to run it again next year, so the voters there will have some time to think on how things have gone for them.
Comment by Roland THTG on 11/3 @ 10:03 pm #
How’s my fat ass taste now?
- Chris Christie
Comment by newrouter on 11/3 @ 10:04 pm #
f&&in O! f**ks up everyTHING
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 10:08 pm #
Oh crap
3 minutes into the new “V” and I want to turn it off. The “symbolic” have the large church crucifix fall over —- OH HOW ORIGINAL….
well, like I should expect originality from what looks like an almost exact remake of a show I watched 20 years ago! (and no hunky Marc Singer this time)
Comment by Darleen on 11/3 @ 10:10 pm #
sdferr
Scozzafava was doing robocalls for Owens. How f**ked up is that?
Best thing is that the idiot Republican chairs of the area have been humiliated.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 10:11 pm #
that hoochie from Firefly is why I’ll watch it I reckon
Comment by happyfeet on 11/3 @ 10:13 pm #
I guess the little president man is probably watching V cause of he’s not gonna watch the news about how his dirty socialists got spanked.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 10:13 pm #
It gets better, Darleen – trust me.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 10:17 pm #
I tuned back into MSNBC. Their focus now seems to be on showing that these are all local elections that most certainly do not speak anything about Barcky Obama.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 10:18 pm #
That’s funny, because write-in candidate “Fuck Barack Obama” got 3% in Virginia.
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 10:19 pm #
Darleen, did you see this on Dede and how she got the spot?
Comment by sdferr on 11/3 @ 10:24 pm #
First page of that too.
Comment by Pablo on 11/3 @ 10:25 pm #
Because I’m fat, I’m fat, shamun.
Yes, I meant to do that.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 10:35 pm #
Go back to sleep, snotnose.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 10:41 pm #
In Manhanda’s defense, if your life was in similar shambles in your early thirties, you’d probably actively seek out a worldview that rendered some palliative effect for the emotions generated by being such an abject failure – as measured by all objective standards.
I mean, you might look at a straight white fellow with a nice car and figure, “gee, I wonder if this chap’s success has something to do with consistently rolling out of bed at six in the morning?” Or, you could just pretend that it all has something to do with the magical pixie dust of privilege sprinkled on him whilst in his crib when it was determined that he’d forever be a straight white male. The former does not admit of favorable comparisons with Manhanda’s routine – so there you have it, it must be the pixie dust.
Comment by TEH thor on 11/3 @ 10:45 pm #
Haha stupid rethugz! Omaba campained for Deeds and Korzine so yuze wudd get foold and win the Guvnerchips that we din’t want anywys!
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 10:48 pm #
Good Allah.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 10:54 pm #
From the waist down, I would say he has the typical Democratic woman physique. He’s got Barbara Mikulski’s pins.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 10:54 pm #
This has to be a parody …
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 10:57 pm #
Self-parody, perhaps, but I think it will make 2010 all the more sweet – to see thor in his future iteration spinning that for the Zero in Chief will indeed be something to behold.
Comment by Neo on 11/3 @ 11:00 pm #
It’s interesting to see the media, who did their best to ignore the real effects of the economic downturn, discover that “it’s the economy, stupid”
If the current President had been a Republican, there would have already been endless stories of the family who lost their job, their house, their self respect .. with endless pointing of fingers at the current White House occupant.
By this point in the Bush term, we have been told he owned the economy, the foreign policy.
According to Barack Obama, he still does. The unicorns have been sent to the barn.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 11:01 pm #
sdeferr’s link @ 73 does a great job of explaining how Scuzzy got nominated.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:03 pm #
Hey – you know who probably noticed the EIGHTEEN POINT WIN in Virginia? Mark Warner and Jim Webb.
thor – just how “robust” and “public” do you suppose that “robust public option” will be?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:06 pm #
Private Citizen Sarah Palin just can’t deliver like Preznit Zero, right?
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 11:09 pm #
The asshats are just mailing it in tonite …
Comment by ghost707 on 11/3 @ 11:13 pm #
This nightmare is only going to get worse for Obama, cause unemployment is going to be almost exactly the same a year from now.
Gibbs’s complete bullshit line about the child president not paying attention to the races tonight was breathtaking in it’s bullshitiness.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:14 pm #
Here’s to many more just like it, thor – Sláinte!
Comment by ghost707 on 11/3 @ 11:17 pm #
I thought Bob Beckel was having a heart attack tonight.
Did anyone else see that? He had some serious flop sweat going on. I was seriously becoming alarmed.
Comment by SBP on 11/3 @ 11:20 pm #
“He’s not watching returns,” Gibbs said.
You lie.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:21 pm #
“Game 6 of the 1986 World Series – a great night for Bill Buckner!”
- thor, October 25, 1986
Comment by ghost707 on 11/3 @ 11:25 pm #
Dana Perino was on tonight. Looking as delicious as ever.
Sorry, it had to be said.
Carry on.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:26 pm #
“The hilarious Our American Cousin – what a great night for Mary Todd Lincoln.”
-thor, April 14, 1865
Comment by SBP on 11/3 @ 11:30 pm #
“The action-packed invasion of Russia – what a great winter for Napoleon Bonaparte.”
-thor, December 14, 1812
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Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 11:30 pm #
What a great night for people named Brad Lidge.
-thor Nov. 1, 2009
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/3 @ 11:35 pm #
“A posthumous promotion – Colonel Custer was really ‘in the zone’ at Little Bighorn, what a ‘last stand’ for him!”
-thor, June 25, 1876
Comment by ghost707 on 11/3 @ 11:35 pm #
Universal healthcare: now on life support.
Maybe the V lizards can help Obama with that one.
Heh.
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 11:42 pm #
The rehabilitation of former Gov Spitzer is now complete. He is on Crissy Mathews right now with Buchanon.
Comment by SBP on 11/3 @ 11:43 pm #
“Hiroshima — what a great day for the Empire of Japan!”
-thor, August 6, 1945
Comment by JD on 11/3 @ 11:47 pm #
What a great year for the Cubs !
-thor (insert any year from 1908 to the present)
Comment by mcgruder on 11/3 @ 11:48 pm #
It remains to be seen if these GOP’ers are worth having or if they are GWB v 2.0. Lotta righties were happy when Bush was elected in 2000 and well, it didn’t, um…you know.
What would be cool if this bit of a comeupance forced a change of thought for the POTUS, much the way that Clinton decided the left was like old dog crap on his shoe in 1994 and needed to be scraped off. Then again, Clinton was such an unusually good politician, who had some centrist and right-leaning thoughts, that a shift was easy.
This POTUS has none of that.
Comment by SBP on 11/3 @ 11:49 pm #
“What a great day for Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH!”
-thor, May 6, 1937
Comment by ghost707 on 11/3 @ 11:55 pm #
mcgruder,
It is becoming obvious that Obama is a sociopath – the healthcare bill is do or die for him – he has nothing else. He only knows tax and spend.
Clinton was a better politician by far than the Chicago thug who occasionally visits the oval office.
Comment by SBP on 11/3 @ 11:59 pm #
“What a great day for Publius Quinctilius Varus!”
– thor, September 9, 9 A.D.
Comment by JD on 11/4 @ 12:01 am #
Get help
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 12:01 am #
“What a great day for Harold Godwinson!”
– thor, October 14, 1066
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 12:07 am #
Oh, and the next time one of the trolls starts hatin’ on Rasmussen, point them here.
Chalk up another couple of black eyes for Presendent Failboi.
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 11/4 @ 12:12 am #
Never forget: this is a good night for conservatives.
We won VA and NJ, by higher margins than we took those states in ‘93.
We broke the GOP’s handpicked RINO and showed they ignore the actual GOP voters at their peril.
A few months of one more Dem congressdrone in a House they already control is a small price to pay for that.
Comment by JD on 11/4 @ 12:14 am #
Did snotnose wake up again?
Comment by RIP Ford on 11/4 @ 12:19 am #
Keith Olbermann sure went to bed early tonight.
Comment by JD on 11/4 @ 12:34 am #
Winning by almost 20% in VA and winning in very Dem NJ is a bad night?
Comment by JD on 11/4 @ 12:37 am #
Christie and McDonnell are losers. You heard it here first.
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 2:38 am #
So, what did I miss?
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 2:47 am #
Huffpo starts the spinning for O!bama:
Comment by No one you know on 11/4 @ 4:41 am #
Hope the citizens of New Jersey and Virginia realize that all federal funding for their states is gone. We know that the current admin plays it like that.
Comment by B Moe on 11/4 @ 5:10 am #
I wonder if Mandy finally noticed that Really, Really Big Business and the Really, Really Wealthy White Men are all Democrats, and all have their hands up Obama’s ass?
Comment by B Moe on 11/4 @ 5:15 am #
93% in. Looks like Dede managed to pull it off for the Dems.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/4 @ 6:03 am #
Morning spin, Jake Tapper on ABC:
“No Obama here! Nothing to see! Move along.”
Comment by B Moe on 11/4 @ 6:06 am #
I wonder if Obama was watching these election results?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/4 @ 6:13 am #
Great line on Lucianne’s front page:
“Obama’s coattails reach just below his hip….no further.”
Comment by Eben on 11/4 @ 6:32 am #
Well, the pilot episode of V last night really disappointed. Bored me to tears, turned it off after 40 minutes and watched the recorded episode of Friday’s Stargate Universe, a great show.
Comment by JHo on 11/4 @ 6:50 am #
I missed the Return of Thor? Bummer.
Still think the best line of the night was Dingy Harry proclaiming Obemacare a fossil. Dem heads explode and go silent as Marxist Keynesianism is body checked into the boards.
Where’s your fight, Dingy Saruman? Isn’t this Teh One ObemaPlan to Bind Us?
There’s some bad metaphors for trollviking to masticate. Hero!
Comment by donald on 11/4 @ 6:52 am #
I thought Virginia was one of those really educated, smart people states. If that’s the fact, why did so many in the last two elections vote for the destruction of their state? And why are they now, crying like little pussies at the cheap thug and assorted morons they have elected recently? I find it oddly humorous.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 6:55 am #
“I thought Virginia was one of those really educated, smart people states.”
Which the mccain campaign called “real virginia.”
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 6:59 am #
That’s the best you’ve got, SFAG?
Although I guess that the brutal ass-raping you proggos got last night WOULD be a handicap to someone who’s incapable of talking out of any other orifice.
Comment by SDN on 11/4 @ 7:00 am #
What NY23 proves is that if the RNC wastes a million bucks on a DIABLO (Democrat In All But Label Only), the Democrat can squeak out a 4-5% win. Kind of like O! spending 105 million (including 35 million from transparently illegal donors) with 100% favorable media coverage can squeak out 6%.
Comment by LTC John on 11/4 @ 7:01 am #
BMoe, that is rather clever of the Hondurans – what would really be fun is if they let Z back in for, say the 5 minutes before the inauguration of his successor…
Comment by JHo on 11/4 @ 7:01 am #
I guess you didn’t find that bit of delightful snark to be blindingly illuminating, SBP?
Comment by ThomasD on 11/4 @ 7:03 am #
That’s funny, because write-in candidate “Fuck Barack Obama” got 3% in Virginia.
Lotta coal miners in VA.
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 7:03 am #
I don’t even know what the fuck she was trying to say, JHo.
She’s just too darned smart for us, I guess.
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 7:19 am #
We are two days away from re-electing Jon Corzine to another four years.
– Barack Hussein Obama, November 1, 2009
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 7:21 am #
Jesus Christ, where did all those friggin’ Indians come from?
– George Armstrong Custer, June 25, 1876
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 7:36 am #
Sorry to see Hoffman lose =x
V was pretty excellent last night. Was I the only one who thought maybe there was some indirect shots taken at Mr. Obama when they were talking about “devotion”? I could easily see giant billboards with Obama’s face hovering over our major cities.
And Morena Baccarin ? omg. Long hair, short hair, no hair, I would absolutely go lizard for her.
Comment by Roland THTG on 11/4 @ 7:37 am #
Let me be clear: The Titanic is unsinkable!
– Barack Hussein Obama, April, 1912
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 11/4 @ 7:44 am #
#133 — Great Minds Think Alike…
Comment by BJTexs on 11/4 @ 8:16 am #
From before the results until after, this is shaping up to be a tale of two spins.
Monday night Nightline ran a story on Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks. Some of the nuggets offered in the narrative were the organization’s “campaign to purge moderates from the Republican Party” and reflections on The Tea Party DC protest that “it was predominantly attended by white people” and a couple of pictures of the worse of the Obama signs. Spin number one, already in place and actively gyrating, is that Right Wing Purity is what this movement is all about and independents will see that and run, screaming … eventually. Expect to see the words “intolerant” and “fringe” used like crack in a Bedford-Stuyvesant den.
Spin number two will naturally fall off of spin number one, that being the upcoming “civil war” within the Republican Party between the sensible, almost likable K Street bunch and DIABLO’s and those Cah-Raizzy fringe Tea Baggers with Palin puppet heads. The narrative will be filled with Ginormous Tents and Big Houses and not a word about trailer parks. Republicans will eat their own, vomit them up on moderates and, again, send them screaming into the statist arms of fuzzy, friendly Democrats.
All of it is a big pile willful ignorant crap.
Allahpundit has it exactly right. The smartest, savviest and most principled (no guffaws, please) Republicans (and, I have to admit, that includes Palin at this point) are going to beat the biggest political bass drum we’ve seen in quite sometime:
That’s why independents flocked to Christie and the Virginia Republican. The principles that supposedly defined the Republican Party still resonate across the party! We’ve left behind (hopefully) the concept of “compassionate conservatism,” which was never more than a Democratic induced guilt trip, and stand at the brink of actually luring moderates to Conservatism/Classical Liberalism by defining the key issues in budgetary, governmental roles and individual liberty terms. That was the essential message of the Tea Party protests. COME ON DOWN!
Once we all quit making faux litmus tests from abortion, Gay Marriage (to a lesser extent,) civility and religion, we free ourselves to raise the flag for budgetary sanity, lower taxes, limited government, strong, pro-active defense and individual liberty. Those Republican primaries are the perfect place to hold candidates accountable for fidelity to those core principles. The rest will be Olberman spittle.
Jump on board and enjoy the ride.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 8:26 am #
Today’s APOD pic might stand as a nice metaphor for the national Dem’s mood this morning. Kinda kool bleu, n’est-ce-pas?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/4 @ 8:47 am #
I tend to agree, BJ, but I think Hoffman’s downfall was his social conservatism, which he apparently made a centerpiece of his campaign. This was, I think, foolish on many levels. He could have let it be known he was a SoCon without stressing it. The fiscal and political extremism of Obama and the Congressional Democrats would have been more than enough to get past Owens and Scozzafava without loading it with a lot of baggage.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 8:53 am #
See that’s just a beautiful thing to read this morning. I think I’ll read it again.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/4 @ 8:53 am #
Jeffersonian: It’s tough to respond to your concern because I didn’t see or hear enough from Hoffman to make a credible judgment. Also, even if he did tend to overstate his social con views, what is the measure for “overstating” and did that “overstating” actually make a difference in the election? did it make a bigger difference than Dede stabbing the Republican party in the back and endorsing Owens?
You could be dead on or splitting hairs. I just don’t know. I do know that I saw several interviews in which he stressed budgetary issues in intelligent terms (he is an accountant, after all) and constantly talked of “principles over party.”
I suspect that you and I, along with a lot of Conservative/Classical Liberals, will be paying much closer attention to NY – 23 come fall of 2010.
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Comment by SDN on 11/4 @ 9:03 am #
The argument that we should be making to socons is that the more we shrink the government’s reach the less opportunity it will have to interfere with them teaching their values to their kids. Also, they can vote with their feet once those issues start moving back down to the states / local government.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:05 am #
Hmm. Reason with socons? You go first.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/4 @ 9:11 am #
It’s tough to respond to your concern because I didn’t see or hear enough from Hoffman to make a credible judgment. Also, even if he did tend to overstate his social con views, what is the measure for “overstating” and did that “overstating” actually make a difference in the election? did it make a bigger difference than Dede stabbing the Republican party in the back and endorsing Owens?
I’m sure Scozzafava’s backstabbing was a big factor in Hoffman’s loss, but he probably could have overcome it by not stressing the SoCon aspect of his views. According to Roger Simon, that’s exactly what he did:
If this is accurate about Hoffman, then I agree with it entirely and it’s surely why Scozzafava was able to paint him as a candidate out of step with the district.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 11/4 @ 9:22 am #
I definitely feel that we need to prioritize our goals, as in “small government first” because, hey, when you have small government, the socons can be as socon as they wanna be, and breed the rest out.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:25 am #
A Republican candidate what natters on about gay marriages and abortionings is FAIL I think unless he’s from nether Arkansas or somewheres. The economy has to be going really really well for people to find that shit cute.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 9:26 am #
I dunno happyfeet, I think you’re selling the whole of the SoCons short over the behavior of a few…
As long as abortion wasn’t being paid for by the state, I think that they’d be able to swallow the fact that it was the individuals right to decide that question, and simply go on crusading against it. Also the same thing applies to gat marriage, as long as the state couldn’t force churches to violate the tenets of their faith and participate in acts they didn’t condone or accept, then there’d be no problem with that either. I think that the bottom line is that I don’t believe taht tax dollars should be used to underwrite any of these lifestyle choices.
In fact, as SDN noted, all these issues need to be the purview of the states, so that folks can vote with their feet as he said.
I believe that by definition I would be a SoCon, as well as many others that I know, and I don’t think you’d find any of us unreasonable to deal with…
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/4 @ 9:27 am #
The argument that we should be making to socons is that the more we shrink the government’s reach the less opportunity it will have to interfere with them teaching their values to their kids. Also, they can vote with their feet once those issues start moving back down to the states / local government.
Exactly correct. There are pernicious social effects that relate to Leviathan, not the least of which is the temptation to “plan” society and everyone’s roles within it. This grates on everyone not in substantial lockstep with The Plan, and with the culture the way it is today, the socially conservative are surely on the outside looking in and thus the least likely to be in harmony with the Central State’s master plan.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 9:28 am #
gat marriage, that’s when a 45 gets together with a 38.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 9:29 am #
Then you’ve got a gub.
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Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:38 am #
I agree 100% totally but that’s why I said Republican candidate that make abortion or anti-gay marriage a rationale for their election are way way way out of step. Especially when people ain’t got no jobs.
But no, we didn’t get to where there is a widely held presumption that Republicans hate gays and women because social cons are reasonable. There’s always one fool hoochie what has to pop her mouth off.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 9:41 am #
I think it’s important to keep reminding the SoCons that:
1) Just as they wouldn’t accept others beliefs and morals foisted upon them, so too should they accept that others will not embrace their values; part and parcel of the whole fundamental Constitutional right to private property-material, moral, ideological, and sprirtual.
2) If matters like abortion, gay marriage, etc are rightly returned to the purview of the states then they could live in a state where the social climate was closer to their own if they chose; Branson might become the xtian NYC of the midwest!
3) If government were less invasive in their lives then there would be a better chance that their values could be passed on to their children, instead of being subect to the indoctrination of the public school system…
Ronald Reagan was a SoCon in many ways. But if you recall, he basically told the pro-life types that they would have to accept that it was a lesser issue; that as a matter of personal liberty it could not be outlawed, per-se; and in doing so brought folks that were otherwise small government conservatives into his tent. But, he often spoke out against the practice.
That’s just one example of Reagan reigning in the SoCons with common sense. If a similar strong leader came along today, and explained it in a similar way, I’m sure the results would be the same…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:41 am #
Republican *candidates* that make abortion I mean…
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 11/4 @ 9:44 am #
Social cons are never going to be considered “reasonable” by those that don’t share their views. If you have any degree of passion for something that someone else dislikes, you cease to be “reasonable”. That’s simply human nature.
What we need is a society where differing viewpoints on matters local and individual are not fought at the highest level for the highest stakes. There’s a word for it…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:45 am #
I hope you’re right Bob but Rick Santorum went so terribly wrong and Jim DeMint is scared gays are hiding under his bed and he won’t even shake Lindsey’s hand. Social cons have a lot betrayed our trust that they would respect boundaries once they get power. Besides also they’re kneejerky and easily manipulated.
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 9:48 am #
A Republican candidate what natters on about gay marriages and abortionings is FAIL I think unless he’s from nether Arkansas or somewheres. The economy has to be going really really well for people to find that shit cute.
The issue, I think, is that a Republican candidate that natter on about gay marriage and abortions isn’t really prioritizing things correctly.
The proggs have played us like a fiddle. Push those two issues OUT THERE so conservatives get defensive about it … then point and laugh. Meanwhile,they pick up the middle.
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 9:50 am #
*Once we all quit making faux litmus tests from abortion, Gay Marriage (to a lesser extent,) civility and religion*
As I’ve said, I agree but with some caveats. Clearly, the most important issue in this country right now is the economy. I’d recommend figuring out a way to stress this to social cons while still accepting that a. they are not going to change their positions on social issues b. they still believe those issues are extremely important so don’t attack them ie “your dumb stance on abortion cost us this economy” or “that issue isn’t important, the only thing important is the economy”. c. if you get this support (which quite frankly, I think is good for everybody, social and economic cons both, but not everyone will see putting abortion in the backseat as a good thing), be prepared to return the favor if/when the tide shifts, the economy recovers and social cons want to see more support from econ cons on issues they really care about.
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 9:51 am #
And, Andrew’s right. Social conservative ideas belong locally.
The problem, of course, is when libs make a national agenda out of it.
Then, again, we’re simply following their lead. Must stop that.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 9:52 am #
“…in doing so brought folks that were otherwise small government conservatives into his tent. But, he often spoke out against the practice.”
“…into his tent…”? That sounds as though you’ld place Reagan in the primarily Socon philosophy of government first and in limited government philosophy second, where I believe he exhibited characteristics that were quite the reverse of such a portrait. I mean, the limited govrmnt people were already with him and he with them. It was the socon’s he had to bring along.
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 9:52 am #
carin’s comment on priorities was spot on. I think we’re all basically saying the same thing, its just a question of effectively setting those priorities for candidates in 2010, 2012 and beyond, until our socialist overlord Dear Leader is no longer in office and Pelosi’s botoxed brow is out on her equally botoxed ass.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:55 am #
I agree, Carin. Priorities… but it goes deeper than that. I hate to bring it up but that a sitting R senator like Sam Brownback thinks he can run for president while disavowing evolution is very, very, very clueless and a waste of everybody’s time. And just generally unhelpful besides. Social conservatives need to learn to never ever ever insinuate that they have any designs on what other people’s children do or think or aspire to. Social conservatives like Mr. Brownback are a big reason why the dirty socialists are in power now I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 9:57 am #
Because they came to define the Republican party is why. And they were so pleased with themselves.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:02 am #
“your dumb stance on abortion cost us this economy”
I’d say more that your perceived misogyny cost us this economy…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:03 am #
your meaning not your but their or your I guess depending on the fitting of the shoe and such
I don’t know.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:05 am #
The problem, of course, is when libs make a national agenda out of it.
this is a fool me once kind of thing I think
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 10:09 am #
sdferr,
You misunderstand, or I wasn’t clear. My point was that Reagan brought the SoCons into the limited government tent. He shared many of their beliefs, but wouldn’t impose them onto society because to do so would be wrong; it would violate others right to their own ideals and morality.
That’s why I used the abortion example. While he often spoke out against it, he would never actively try to outlaw it-because to do so would deprive someone else of an element of their personal liberty…
But no, I wasn’t implying that Reagan brought the small government conservatives into the SoCon tent; it was the opposite. He showed the SoCons, and others, that the Republican party was getting back to it’s fundamental belief in fiscal responsibility and limited government; that the conservatives were taking control from the north east Nelson Rockefeller liberal wing of the party. And that once again the social conservatives, as well as cross over blue dog Democrats, could feel comfortable in the same group…
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 10:11 am #
*I’d say more that your perceived misogyny cost us this economy…*
I’m confused by this comment. do you mean “the way in which pro-life people are portrayed by the MSM and liberals as hating woman” ? Or you think social cons hate woman ? if you wouldn’t mind clarifying?
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 10:12 am #
Yes Bob, that’s the gist of it I think. I was probably just hung-up on the locution, to my error and confusion, is all.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 10:15 am #
Oh, and I’m still all “boo hiss” on the tent talk, but that’s another matter.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 10:16 am #
happyfeet,
You’re right about DeMint, Santorum, and Brownback. Although these fellows have good ideas that I can agree with regarding government and policy, they need to realize that issues such as abortion, education, gay marriage are not ones where one groups belief can be superimposed on another. These are matters so personal that to force anyone into any framework would be a violation of the right to private property that the founders of our nation envisioned and codified.
That’s why I keep saying these kind of issues should be in the purview of the states…
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 10:18 am #
sdferr,
I know that you don’t like the tent talk, it’s an overused cliche. I think I saw your amusing discourse, the other day, on the imagery it conjured up for you; was taht your comment-I read soooooo many…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:19 am #
I think it’s perfectly understandable that anti-abortion views are interpreted by the dirty socialist media or anyone as being an assault on a woman’s freedom and personhood. It is what it is. Men would never stand for people having similar designs on their personhood and destiny and identity. I just learned yesterday that Jim DeMint wants to force mommies to keep their precious little rape babies. He’s fucked in the head.
Comment by DarthRove on 11/4 @ 10:19 am #
Yes, I think the whole “tent” meme is an example of the proggs/MSM forcing their definitions into the debate.
What can we substitute … hmm … thinking …
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:22 am #
States rights I don’t necessarily think is a panacea. It more goes back to having respect for what you will and will not legislate on people. It more goes back to having a reverence for freedom. Dividing America into cantons of imposed morality is not a very good answer.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:23 am #
outlaw?
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 10:24 am #
Andrew the Noisy is on to something very important with his comment
I left off his concluding sentence “That’s simply human nature.” only because I’m not sure that it’s true or that I’d go quite that far just yet. But the whole introduction of values-talk, as I’ve said repeatedly, is precisely what Andrew puts his finger on, values as such are not “reasonable” or “reasonably arrived at”. And that goes not just for social-cons but for everyone in every stance. No-one, we are given to believe, has “reasonable” values because values aren’t reasonable from the git-go.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:25 am #
what’s worse is Mr. DeMint probably just natters on about the precious little rape babies cause he thinks that’s the only way he can get his ass elected… sometimes it’s ok to shut you face I think.
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 10:27 am #
Uh, you’d better have a look around, ‘feets. Men are standing, or rather, bending over, for that very thing in droves.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 10:29 am #
“The issue, I think, is that a Republican candidate that natter on about gay marriage and abortions isn’t really prioritizing things correctly.
The proggs have played us like a fiddle. Push those two issues OUT THERE so conservatives get defensive about it … then point and laugh. Meanwhile,they pick up the middle.”
Works for immigration too. Mention immigration and pretty soon you get a lot of nativism and anti-hispanic spew from the right.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:30 am #
that’s true. Men have fewer and fewer rights but that’s not an excuse to impinge on women’s rights I don’t think.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:31 am #
god she’s retarded
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 10:33 am #
Whatever happened to equality? Remember when that was really, really, really important? Let’s talk about that Holy Grail we’re all supposed to be chasing. Unless we’ve entered the post-equality era for good.
Comment by DarthRove on 11/4 @ 10:33 am #
There goes meya and her BUNNIES!!!!! again.
Comment by Abe Froman on 11/4 @ 10:34 am #
Go fuck a chainsaw meya.
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 10:35 am #
And happily happyfeet, quite willing to be open to revealing her purposes, that is to say, inducing “spew” as she so elegantly puts it.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:38 am #
Equality is less important than freedom to me. I am very, very pro-freedom I think.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/4 @ 10:38 am #
“Dividing America into cantons of imposed morality is not a very good answer.”
That’s a great turn of the phrase. You’ve got a point, and this speaks volumes about your own personal libertarian outlook. But within the Constitutional construct as envisioned by our founders, the least invasive and most legitimate forms of government are the local kind, with all others being as minimal and uninvasive as possible. So perhaps a lot of local “cantons of imposed morality” is what would be best, since that local morality would be decided by the people from which comes the right of governance. In our own constitution the states were given the latitude to address most of these kind of issues. But, I’m sure that they’d never intended for morality to be legislated like it is today.
It’s a tough question for sure, since human nature hasn’t changed, but society and peoples expectations have. Maybe we’ve all become comfortable and wealthy and have forgotten about what is most valuable and fundamental…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:39 am #
I have to go sorry I got a little more invectivey than I wanted to but reading about Mr. DeMint yesterday really almost pitched me into a very very despairing place… He’s a fucking goofball.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:42 am #
I agree about local government is *probably* least bad… I wish it were a more realistic idea to actually explore… but the R ones have stepped away from that idea pretty emphatically from what I can tell. It’s hard to get really excited about local government here in LA.
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 10:45 am #
Equality under the law is freedom. If you’re deemed “less equal” are you free? Or is that the designation that justifies burdening you?
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 10:48 am #
Like if you’re black and that makes it OK to lie and lie and lie and steal and steal and steal while a white guy can’t even mention that you’re doing it lest he be cast in the racist dungeon of hatey liars…
We be freedom deficient.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:54 am #
Hmmm. When you compare you despair I think, P. Abortion and gay marriage are way way less about women having a right to abort stuff or gays having a right to marry than they’re about paint R people as intolerant and they’re both very very effective issues like that. Dirty socialists on the NPR need these issue more than ever since R ones have gotten so bashful about showing their innate and malevolent racisms.
That’s my only point I think. It’s a fallen world and I’m pretty surprised with how nice it is even right now with a dirty socialist piece of America-hating Chicago street trash in our little White House. It’s sure to get worse.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:54 am #
I’m so late for work. I’m a bad person.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 10:56 am #
*painting* I mean…
Comment by sdferr on 11/4 @ 10:59 am #
A freedom column set off over against Baracky’s bullshit oration in front of Berlin’s Victory Column.
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 11:06 am #
Which is why the conversation needs to be about principles instead of R vs. D. The gay marriage thing certainly isn’t and R/D thing when the most dependable D voting bloc is solidly against it. So why would it become an albatross for the GOP, especially when it’s 0-31 on ever ballot it’s ever seen? Why would it be a GOP thing when our dirty socialist presentdent holds the same view as DeMint?
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 11:34 am #
The overwhelming advantages that black people have in this society are quite shocking.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/4 @ 11:42 am #
Yeesh, look at what I started!
Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 11/4 @ 11:43 am #
Like did you know they make us ride in the back of Air Force One?
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 12:02 pm #
I would love to watch a reality show of “meya” living for one year on a crowded street in the bowels of North Philadelphia.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 12:25 pm #
Not Fishtown or NoLibs? And here I thought north philly was pretty depopulated and uncrowded.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 12:39 pm #
The last thing gay marriage proponents want is for gay marriage to pass in referendums. That wouldn’t be very victimy at all. The whole point of gay marriage is to provoke anti gay marriage sentiment.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/4 @ 12:46 pm #
Well, feets, I have argued that Gay Marriage is best left to the states to figure out.
That seems to be working out well, I think!
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 12:50 pm #
For my gay friends, the point of gay marriage is so they can get married and have families. Maybe it is different with your gay friends
Comment by Pablo on 11/4 @ 12:53 pm #
Oooh, they’re making babies? That’s sweet.
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 12:53 pm #
“Not Fishtown or NoLibs?”
Sure if you want to live in an echo chamber of hipster doofuses that think they’re so chic because they left New Jersey for “the city.” Plus in Fishtown you and the PBR drinking “all I listen to I learned from Pitchfork” dorkus crowd can still get off on referring to the old time population of the neighborhood as “white trash.”
“And here I thought north philly was pretty depopulated and uncrowded.”
You, as usual, thought wrong.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 12:59 pm #
nope. civil unions were plenty robust for gay people to get married and have families. When civil unions started meeting with success and really not a whole lot of opposition, the dirty socialists switched the focus to gay marriage. It’s all about pissing people off and victimizing gay people. Gay people what could have had all the civil unions they wanted by now. Gay people are easily confused cause they have low self-esteem and often feel very alienated already to where if you tell them that civil unions aren’t “equality” they get very pouty and angry. I don’t know how to help them with that. They just kind of need to grow the fuck up.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:03 pm #
I’m from the “river wards.” When I was a kid, you never would have guessed that people might someday buy houses in Fishtown on purpose. Times have changed, but I still think long time Fishtown people can take care of any new heads who call them names.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 1:07 pm #
I know some want to make babies, others can adopt, or even go child free.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:12 pm #
Yes. There are a lot of Bolsheviks who get the warm and fuzzies when your grandpop who fought at Guadalcanal and the old Italian Ladies what go to mass at six every morning are confused and upset by these “new” things. That’s why they put so much time into turning everything on its ear all of the time. My granpop used to throw buckets of water on those kids when they sat on his stoop and left candy papers allover the place after school and holler “sit on your own goddamn stoop and leave candy papers there.” Grandpop needed bail money lots well into his sixties.
Also, happy, Lady GaGa will not be happy with your comments about her fanbase.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:15 pm #
That’s because they’ve been knocking down whole blocks lately. Thank you libruls!
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 1:21 pm #
“I’m not finding many sources of philadelphia history online, but wikipedia does have the population of north philadelphia declining and becoming less crowded.”
This summarizes the quality of what you contribute perfectly.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:22 pm #
I like that poker face song.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:23 pm #
Really? Because when I see two bearded men in white wedding dresses making out on the Courthouse steps, I think “mockery.”
The Gheys are very, very much into mockery, it seems.
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 1:27 pm #
*I know some want to make babies*
Explain how a same sex couple can make a baby. Last time I checked, you need an egg and sperm. Artificial insemination of one partner is not making a baby, if that’s what you mean and as far as I know, same sex couples have access to artificial insemination options whether married or not. Please explain. Perhaps I am old fashioned biologically.
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 1:29 pm #
“I still think long time Fishtown people can take care of any new heads who call them names.”
Oh yeah they can. Tough crowd.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:34 pm #
They’re very “stompy” when they get excited.
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 1:34 pm #
I’m thinking that the gheys shouldn’t be reproducing. Don’t they know we have a population bomb ready to go off?
I think if I knew a gay couple, perhaps the best thing I could do is send ‘em a copy of this book. They were nattering on (I’m going to keeping using that word) about it on the local (liberal) radio show. Overpopulation is killing the planet.
You know, I’ve always thought if a guy could convince his wife to go childless, the eventual divorce would go a lot easier. Or, when he hits 50 and changes his mind …. less baggage.
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 1:35 pm #
Yeah looks like a few of them got way too stompy at a Phillies game recently. And still people in my parents’ neighborhood, Kensington, thought that Fishtown was taking a big step up in the world.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:42 pm #
that book looks less disturbing than this one
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:43 pm #
This book also presents interviews with parents who wish they had not had children while offering their reasons for feeling regret.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:43 pm #
Concluding with a look into the workplace, this title evaluates the fairness of allowing parents shorter days and time off to accommodate children, compared to the working environment of those who have chosen to live without children.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:43 pm #
that’s really sad
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 1:46 pm #
You should have heard the conversation with the numbnuts on the radio, happy.
I’m fine with people who decide to not having children. But, writing books to justify it is just sad and pathetic.
Aren’t there enough stupid books out there?
Comment by Carin on 11/4 @ 1:48 pm #
I think if I knew a gay couple, perhaps the best thing I could do is send ‘em a copy of this book. ”
Somehow, I don’t doubt you’d be the type who would do this.
Well, your powers of perception have always been incredibly low, so I don’t doubt you truly believe this.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:51 pm #
That was the point, fuckstick. Ghey marriage is quintessential mockery of Middle America. The Village People were mockery of traditional masculinity. So on and so forth.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 1:55 pm #
Some people can’t help being so fabulous, Alec. Some can’t help trying either. But usually we outgrow the problems we have with this around the time of high school.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 1:56 pm #
I’d like to make myself believe that planet Earth turns slowly I think.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 1:58 pm #
Yeah, well, it’s kind of stupid to mock people and then get all pouty and “wherz my ritez!” when they oppose the very thing that you use to mock them.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/4 @ 1:59 pm #
But Alec, isn’t “mocking Middle America” what this country is all about?
/NY-DC-SF-LA
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/4 @ 2:04 pm #
Of course – that’s the heart of all good art, because we’re not all developmentally arrested teenagers rebelling against substitutes for our parents or anything, right?
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 11/4 @ 2:05 pm #
“So the population of north philadelphia hasn’t declined? ”
See this sums up why people have declared you such a snotty passive-aggro pseudo-smart snarky bitch.
Nothing was said about the aggregate population of what constitutes “North Philadelphia”, a large swath of the city encompassing several zip codes. The desire was to have you live on “a”..got it, you dense idiot? “a” crowded street in North Philadelphia, of which, there are many. So you cite wikipedia to try to dodge and make yourself look intelligent? You actually think that your juvenile little acting out, parsing every sentence, and putting out strawmen by the bucketload actually constitutes some kind of one-upping on who you deem your intellectual inferiors? I can understand why everyone here thinks you’re such a shallow little twat, but you must get some bizarre pleasure out of being repeatedly told so.
Comment by LTC John on 11/4 @ 2:22 pm #
Jack, that is worth copying, so we can paste it here on PW from time to time.
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 11/4 @ 2:24 pm #
“Social cons have a lot betrayed our trust that they would respect boundaries once they get power. ”
Let’s talkn about respecting boundaries…
Comment by Matt on 11/4 @ 3:30 pm #
*but if anyone of your friends or family members needed the services of a fertility doctor, maybe you can ask them to fill in what your parents left out?*
Err what ? I’m sorry, you do not explain how either a male or female homosexual couple can produce their own offspring. I’m fairly certain that even with artificial means, two gay men cannot under any circumstances produce a child without a an egg from a female.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 3:51 pm #
I read that and I kinda feel terrible for him. His luck’s taken a very bad turn since he burned up the church. I hope he doesn’t have school loans. It sounds like he fell in with a bad crowd.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 3:52 pm #
but hey GMG I was just wondering the other day where you’d been and there you are!
Comment by geoffb on 11/4 @ 4:21 pm #
Busy day so late to this.
“People”, that is the heart of it. What is or is not a person is what the abortion debate comes down to. Unless it is that some wish to make the case for infanticide as our “esteemed” leader has done in action if not in words.
This is why it should be a State matter. If a reasonable to most all voters position can be found then most States will adopt it. Until then voting with feet at least will give everyone an option they can live with.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 4:39 pm #
That seems unfair. Poor women who can’t afford to travel and the Amish would be screwed but everyone else would just go where the abortions are. Unless poor women made a point of just sleeping with not-poor guys, maybe. But the Amish would still be screwed. Everyone else would just make a holiday of it I guess. That seems more depraved than what we have now.
Comment by geoffb on 11/4 @ 5:07 pm #
Why is being pregnant mean being screwed? My wife (and she is not the only one I know in this) would give up everything she has, even her life, to be pregnant and bear a child. Children are not a punishment, even for poor people, which I have been before and seem to be headed to being again as this economy keeps diving.
Comment by geoffb on 11/4 @ 5:15 pm #
I know we disagree on this happyfeet. It’s a human thing to do. I’m not trying to change your mind, just stating what is on mine whenever this comes up.
As I said earlier today you are a good person. We just have a difference over this, that is all.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 5:25 pm #
I just think it’s a fallen world and that’s not the place to start unfalling it, not when the women what don’t abort are predominantly single moms. Is that a misconception on my part? I bet it’s pretty close. Not Good.
Comment by meya on 11/4 @ 5:29 pm #
“Yeah, well, it’s kind of stupid to mock people and then get all pouty and “wherz my ritez!” when they oppose the very thing that you use to mock them.”
Rather it is kindness. It certainly is kind of minorities who have been oppressed for so long to finally come out and give their oppressors the reasons they so needed to rationalize this. I’m sure it makes their animus feel much more wholesome. And you know how important feelings and self-image are to middle america.
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Nothing was said about the aggregate population of what constitutes “North Philadelphia”, a large swath of the city encompassing several zip codes. The desire was to have you live on “a”..got it, you dense idiot? “a” crowded street in North Philadelphia, of which, there are many.”
And I said that North philly was uncrowded. You want to parse that parse it. Which street did you have in mind?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/4 @ 6:07 pm #
you’re an unpleasant girl but you don’t have to be it’s a choice
Comment by SBP on 11/4 @ 6:13 pm #
The overwhelming advantages that black people have in this society are quite shocking.
You and yours have made them into a permanent underclass, SFAG.
‘Cause you LIKE having slaves who are dependent on you.
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