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October 25, 2009
The Daily Show goes to Iran…(The Sanity Inspector)
Crossposted at Atlanta Rofters Jon Stewart’s crew went to Iran and didn’t get eaten alive, therefore Iran is just a misunderstood victim of the U.S. propaganda machine. The omnipresence of a theocratic dictatorship didn’t seem to register with them at all. Wonder if the hipper-than-thou jerks spoke with any of these Iranians? 186 Comments ::: Post a comment »RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI: http://proteinwisdom.com/wp-trackback.php?p=15442 Leave a commentIf you want to leave a feedback to this post or to some other user´s comment, simply fill out the form below. |
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Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 12:27 pm #
The “U.S.” propaganda machine?
Try “Right Wing” propaganda machine.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 12:34 pm #
Of course Iranian people can be gracious hosts. Crimeny, I’ve worked with Iranian immigrants who still go back to visit their relatives in Iran.
Why all the “Americans think all Iranians are terrorists, or live in caves”… WHAT Americans are they talking about? Most Americans are aware that Iranians themselves aren’t terrorists… Ahmadawhackjob and ilk subcontract the wetwork out to Hizbolleh and Hamas.
The Iranian people are living under a repressive, anti-human regime. Too bad Jon Stewart’s crew didn’t actually do a little reading before engaging in contemporary Duranty-ism.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/25 @ 12:51 pm #
Nothing new – dictators have often escorted ‘news crews’* about, so that they see everything they were invited to see and leave with a high regard for the openess of their tour guides.**
*Not to be confused with ‘Blue’s Clues’. Blue actually discovers things.
**Has anyone asked Mr. Stewart if they signed an Eason Jordan-CNN Agreement before they went to Iran, or was that just an oral agreement, between gentlemen?
Comment by happyfeet on 10/25 @ 1:00 pm #
I couldn’t get all the way through that. But the Iranian American ones I know are very nice. They’re even nicer than their cars, which means they are very nice indeed.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 1:02 pm #
I noticed, too, from the clips, there are no one-on-one interviews with unchaperoned Iranian women. There was a brief shot of Jason Jones leaning into a car window, but again, the woman is accompanied by a man and she is not driving.
Comment by Palanos on 10/25 @ 1:06 pm #
John Stewart’s crew did not know they would be played for publicity? So much for that crew being so hip and sophisticated. They come off like dimwitted zombies.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 1:09 pm #
This kinda reminds me of that piece I linked with the story of Peter Jennings holding forth on the futility of American efforts against the Sandinistas one day and announcing a few days later the Sandinistas had been swamped at the polls, then making a lame joke to cover his ignorance and excuse his refusal to look any further.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 1:11 pm #
Maybe Jon Stewart’s crew should wade into the most misunderstood, mischaracterized and object-of-hate group in America today –
maybe they should visit ordinary Americans who don’t live in Leftist, bicoastal, urban, elitist enclaves.
Comment by Joe on 10/25 @ 1:17 pm #
It is a fluff piece, but in a way it is true. Iranians-Persians are funny people, well informed, and are definitely not our enemies, the Mullahs in charge of Iran are the problem. I also laughed when he drank from the toilet ass water hose.
The critcism of the Daily Show is justified, however, when you have a legitmate democratic opposition movement getting crushed by the Mullahs. Can’t the Daily Show and Stewart show a little outrage for that? Even Andrew Sullivan did a decent yeomans’ job in running with that issue. Sullivan made the Mullahs almost as bad as Sarah Palin, which is saying a lot. Andy Samberg did a pretty good take off of “I’m a Dinner Jacket” on SNL last year. I am all for not scapegoating the Iranian people (who are victims of the Mullahs too) and focusing our anger where it belongs.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 1:35 pm #
Obama too has the power of whitewashing clean or remembering to forget ready at hand, a smart diplomatic tool.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 2:13 pm #
John Stewart.
P’shaww
Wait until we send Jimmy Carter.
Or Obama.
Wait…
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 2:18 pm #
“Maybe Jon Stewart’s crew should wade into the most misunderstood, mischaracterized and object-of-hate group in America today”
I’ll take the 2010 Census for $1,000 Alex.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 2:39 pm #
Kinda OT, but go read this sory, frikkin’ HIGHlarious:
http://www.lifein3d.net/?p=1167
Oh, and snotcone? Propaganda is a reactionary leftist creation.
And your a moron.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 2:40 pm #
sorry, via Dissecting Leftism
http://dissectleft.blogspot.com/
Maybe snotcone could go to that blog and, you know, actually learn something.
Comment by JHo on 10/25 @ 2:48 pm #
Does snowy have a point?
Anyway, this nice man found Iran an interesting place and managed to slip in some objective commentary despite being shadowed. Here’s another nice piece with pictures. Under different conditions many of us would like to visit, I’m guessing.
If you want savvy insight on the political class and darker, related things, you just can’t send travel writers like Jon Stewart.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 3:27 pm #
Who, exactly, wants to bomb the Iranian population? Anyone? Bueller?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 3:27 pm #
“Comment by JHo on 10/25 @ 2:48 pm #
Does snowy have a point?”
I was driving on an errand a few minutes ago, and realized that snotnose is admirable in a peverted sort of way.
He has a real belly in the fire about posting stupid/inane/insane/pointles/distracting comments here, doesn’t he?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 3:41 pm #
you just can’t send travel writers like Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart is just a comedian.
A lot of people forget that simple fact.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/25 @ 3:52 pm #
Jon Stewart is just a comedian.
A lot of people forget that simple fact.
Including him and his fans.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 3:56 pm #
“…just a comedian.”
So, not a human being attentive to and mindful of the suffering of other human beings trapped under the yolk of a theocratic tyranny? Or are comedians possessed of some special dispensation and expected to take a pass when it comes to acknowledging such things?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 4:01 pm #
So, not a human being attentive to…
Y’all got Larry the Cable Guy to keep you in stitches.
Why worry so much about what Stewart does?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 4:03 pm #
yikes, yoke, foke.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/25 @ 4:03 pm #
Jon Stewart makes stupid feel people feel smart. We’ve all seen it.
Comment by B Moe on 10/25 @ 4:10 pm #
The mullahs are some bad eggs.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 4:21 pm #
“He has a real belly in the fire about posting stupid/inane/insane/pointles/distracting comments here, doesn’t he?”
See?
Case proven.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/25 @ 4:45 pm #
Interesting. I’ve never known any of our foreign enemies to make any distinction.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/25 @ 5:28 pm #
I toured China 3 years after Mao died. I ate a 12 course meal and they left the heads on the roasted little ducks. It was a great country.
Comment by JHo on 10/25 @ 5:42 pm #
Interesting. I’ve never known any of our foreign enemies to make any distinction.
Like this?
Comment by JHo on 10/25 @ 5:45 pm #
Quoting RTO, that.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 5:47 pm #
I agree that the mullahs are bad actors. Do you propose we go roaring in and toppling their government as well? Hear what happened in idyllic Iraq today? This sophisticated population needs to mobilize and free itself.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 5:53 pm #
idyllic Iraq
ah, cynn, we can always count on you to argue things that were never asserted.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 6:19 pm #
I’ve never known any of our foreign enemies to make any distinction.
All you see is enemies, RTO?
Are they everywhere?
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/25 @ 6:44 pm #
Too many libs insist that we have no enemies, despite the non-existent enemies’ non-existent actions that prove the contrary. Look: we went the see-no-evil route in the 90s, shrugging off attack after attack after attack. We’re past that now. Yet you seem to feel that The Jihad is just some McCarthyist “reds under the beds” hysteria. What more do the jihadists have to do, to prove to you that they’re serious?
Comment by President Mop on 10/25 @ 6:50 pm #
cynn should get a Lifetime Achievement Award for stupidity. Shitcone has transcended stupidity, it’s more like metaphysical ignorance
Comment by Spiny Norman on 10/25 @ 6:56 pm #
TSI,
There is nothing the jihadis could ever do to prove to the cynns. the snowcones, the nishis of the world because they ::know:: the radical muslims are only after the “right-wing hate machine”, kinda how Lefty dopes like Michael Moore were flummoxed that bin Laden would attack New York, when they were all Al Gore voters…
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:11 pm #
You guys should just blow up your beds. And closets. Problem solved. Beyond that, what is your solution? An actual full-on Ledeenfest?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 7:17 pm #
You should pull your head out of your ass and breathe fresh air for a time cynn, then attempt to communicate in English, even if you have to pretend to give a damn for twenty minutes. Unsolicited advice shoveling is fun, ain’t it?
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:20 pm #
I have no idea what your’e talking about, sdferr. Can you tell me why I should give a damn about Iran?
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/25 @ 7:21 pm #
Can you imagine how stupid the offspring of cynn and snowcone would be?
Comment by JD on 10/25 @ 7:22 pm #
There was a run on MadDog 20/20 in cynn’s town today. Coincidence?
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:22 pm #
Abe, I take it you’re jewish, so enough said.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 7:24 pm #
Do you drive a car cynn or ride a bus fueled with diesel? Does the everyday cost of ordinary goods impinge on your budget at times?
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:27 pm #
No, I walk. What is the point of your inquiry?
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 10/25 @ 7:32 pm #
Jon Stewart’s crew went to Iran and didn’t get eaten alive, therefore Iran is just a misunderstood victim of the U.S. propaganda machine.
Good dhimmi material is hard to disguise.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:32 pm #
…So the Daily Show goes to Iran and all I got is this lousy thong. Ciao, hard-hitters.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 7:34 pm #
You asked why you should give a damn about Iran, no? “Can you tell me why I should give a damn about Iran?”
I only ask in an attempt to learn whether you will care what happens to your personal household economy if Iran’s nuclear belligerence should bring it to blows with some part of the rest of the world, whether that part turns out to be a single nation or many nations allied together. In any event, I assume you know what a choke point is, yes? And you know that a very large fraction of the world’s crude oil supply comes, not just from Iran but its near neighbors and has to pass through the seaway known as the Strait of Hormuz. What happens to the price of a barrel of oil when Iran attempts to close that Strait, do you think? Will $250 to $400/barrel affect you and yours? Could be.
Comment by President Mop on 10/25 @ 7:35 pm #
Why does one need a point in conversing with you, cynn? You’re rarely on point in any given thread.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/25 @ 7:35 pm #
Don’t wear a thing until Snowcone grooms your kitteh, Cynn.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/25 @ 7:36 pm #
THONG, damnit.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:38 pm #
sdferr: Do you or do you not think the Iranians are stupid enough to let that shit happen. And if you do, volunteer immediately.
Comment by JD on 10/25 @ 7:39 pm #
I believe the phrase for that is stumble, not walk, cynn.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 7:40 pm #
“…to let that shit…”
Seems to me as though they are forcing the issue every time I look up. That has been plain for over nine years now. I don’t know that the regime will welcome the hell they are pushing for when it comes but I can for damn sure think of many ways they could act to avert it and their current game isn’t one.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:49 pm #
Watch this video again; Jason and etc. extol the spirit and conduct of Iranians. I don’t see a reason to crash the saloon, but sdferr is hot to trot, as it were.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 7:52 pm #
I’m not, as you put it, “hot to trot”, whatever the heck that means, if anything. I do recognize a growing danger when I see one though. If you choose to whistle past the graveyard, that’s your lookout.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:54 pm #
What do you propose we do. A clear, unambiguous answer that can be implemented immediatlely.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/25 @ 7:55 pm #
“Do you or do you not think the Iranians are stupid enough to let that shit happen.”
If you mean the Iranian people, note please that they live under a dictatorship. They’re not well positioned to “let” or “prevent” their masters from doing anything. And god knows they tried.
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 7:59 pm #
You may note that I have already visited the question.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:01 pm #
“A clear, unambiguous answer that can be implemented immediately.”
The Obama administration could begin by stopping everything it is doing now with regard to Iran. That alone would be a good start. Stop making idiotic and insulting statements like this. Tell the truth for a change, that would be a good thing.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:02 pm #
Cease supporting the tyrannical theocratic regime in Iran and begin supporting the people of Iran who want their system of government reformed. How about that?
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 8:08 pm #
Oh, that’s just lovely, cynn. Ignorant, yet bright and shiny all the same.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:09 pm #
“Can you imagine how stupid the offspring of cynn and snowcone would be?”
The gene pool would need chlorine.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:11 pm #
You leopards can wear a dog outfit on Halloween, but you can’t permanently change your spots by declaring “I has no problem with the iranian people, It’s the MULLAHS!!”.
We know where your sentiments lie.
“During a little-noticed speech at the University of Chicago on Tuesday, John Bolton suggested a way to resolve the controversy over Iran’s nuclear program: Israel should launch a nuclear attack on Iran. Speaking to the University Republicans and the Chicago Friends of Israel, Bolton, George W. Bush’s hawkish ambassador to the United Nations, said, “Unless Israel is prepared to use nuclear weapons against Iran’s program, Iran will have nuclear weapons in the very near future.” Bolton has repeatedly declared that Iran’s nuclear program is unacceptable. Given that he holds this position, his contention that the only way to prevent a nuclear Iran is with a nuclear attack appears to be a backdoor endorsement of just such a strike.”
Although the audio is bad on the playback and may be poo=pooed by the local intelligentsia, there is a recent hard copy of the looney right
and their blood lust unabridged.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/01/AR2009070103020.html
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 8:13 pm #
OK, you guys are putting on your pinafores and getting ready for the next boffo invasion/incursion with a whiff of inhabitance. Smells like lavendar.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:17 pm #
Comment by cynn on 10/25 @ 8:13 pm #
Fuck you, cynn, I got a son in the service.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:19 pm #
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:11 pm #
Liar.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:22 pm #
“…Israel should launch a nuclear attack on Iran…”
Nonsense, he said nothing of the sort. So we have another lying assertion monkey, passing gas.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 8:22 pm #
I know where your head is. And I’m wondering how you can breathe like that. You got a straw up there or something?
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 8:22 pm #
We know where your sentiments lie.
Do tell.
btw, who is this “we”? and where is this audio you speak of?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:26 pm #
The audio is near incomprehensible Darleen. Here’s the post. Here’s the transcript the poster produced, “Unless Israel is prepared to use nuclear weapons against Iran’s program, Iran will have nuclear weapons in the very near future.” though that is but a few seconds of a long answer to an unintelligible question.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:27 pm #
If you think Israel launching a first, ‘preemptive’ nuclear strike against
Iran, simply remain silent. If you think it’s NOT a good idea, state your objections.
Simple.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:28 pm #
,,,against Iran, is a GOOD idea, remain silent.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 8:30 pm #
sdferr
thanks… the audio is incomprehensible AND it’s on motherjones WITH weasel words so they can pretend Bolton says something he didn’t and not be held responsible for reporting such a falsehood.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/25 @ 8:30 pm #
If you think Israel launching a first, ‘preemptive’ nuclear strike against
Iran, simply remain silent. If you think it’s NOT a good idea, state your objections.
Simple.
It is a terrible idea. But an even worse idea is caring what leftists think about anything.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 8:31 pm #
So what’s the prevailing wisdom around here for how to deal with Iran.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 8:32 pm #
Jolly Roger
Israel has made it clear they won’t wait to be nuked by Iran if/when Iran gets nuke weapons. Bolton explained the facts of life in the WaPo article of July you linked.
What are YOU not understanding here?
Are you an anti-Zionist?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:33 pm #
This is the audio posters lie: “Given that he holds this position, his contention that the only way to prevent a nuclear Iran is with a nuclear attack appears to be a backdoor endorsement of just such a strike.”
That’s all crap from top to bottom. Bolton doesn’t hold “this position”, if by “this position” the poster, Nick Baumann intends the truncated statement of the transcript he attributes to Bolton. “The only way” is obvious pablum, as there are in potentia many many ways to prevent a nuclear Iran and Bolton, of course, is aware of them. “Appears to be a back door endorsement” is a lying assertion, not Bolton’s opinion. Such nonsense only an idiot would believe.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:33 pm #
“Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 8:31 pm #
So what’s the prevailing wisdom around here for how to deal with Iran.”
Nuke ‘em from orbit.
It’s the only way to be sure.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:34 pm #
“Such nonsense only an idiot would believe”
Bingo!
Comment by Joe on 10/25 @ 8:35 pm #
The Daily Show just was too pussified to really take on the Mullahs in Iran. I get that. Yes Jon Stewart, you are even more of a pussy than your crew (who at least went to Iran).
Iranians however are trying to push the envelope. Too bad Stewart & Co. did not get that they would do a lot more good if they tried the same. It might even be funny.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:35 pm #
“Are you an anti-Zionist?”
No. Nor do I think Israelis are god’s chosen people.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 8:35 pm #
Charles
there is no simple way to deal with a death-cult regime. NOT talk to them is a good first start, along with isolation and getting America to tap the huge amounts of oil we have right here in the US.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:38 pm #
“Such nonsense only an idiot would believe.”
It is a simple matter to distance yourself from any endorsement of a nuclear first strike by Israel. But you cleverly side=stepped that one.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 8:38 pm #
Jolly Roger
So you believe Israel is a legitimate nation. Do you believe they have a right to self-defense?
I note your strange little “Nor do I think Israelis are god’s chosen people” shot. Why?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:39 pm #
“It is a simple matter to distance yourself from any endorsement of a nuclear first strike by Israel. But you cleverly side=stepped that one.”
Fuck you you lying piece of shit. Take a hike.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:42 pm #
“Why?”
To distinguish myself from those ‘end-timers’ who mistakenly believe god is somehow going to revitalize a literal New Jerusalem.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:42 pm #
“Take a hike.”
That dodge was a little less deft.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:43 pm #
“Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:38 pm #
“Such nonsense only an idiot would believe.”
It is a simple matter to distance yourself from any endorsement of a nuclear first strike by Israel.”
Nice straw man, moron.
No one is calling for a nuclear first strike.
So no one can endorse it.
Clever.
Not smart, mearly clever.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:44 pm #
“Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:42 pm #
“Why?”
To distinguish myself from those ‘end-timers’ who mistakenly believe god is somehow going to revitalize a literal New Jerusalem.”
[pops up from cubicle, looks around]
Nope, none of them around here.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:44 pm #
You are an obvious liar. You lie about Bolton. You lie about the Israelis. You lie about me.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 8:45 pm #
It is simple. If Israel goes, and I suspect they will, they’ll bring what they need to do the job, which will be disabling as much of Iran’s nuclear weapons apparatus as they deem feasible. They’ve done this sort of thing a couple of times before and they’re as good at it as anyone. Better, perhaps.
No one, save you moonbats, is suggesting any wholesale slaughter of the Iranian people, nor is anyone suggesting invasion/occupation. That would be astoundingly stupid, which explains how you got the idea in your head.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:47 pm #
Someone called ‘Abe’ was honest enough to say ‘terrible idea’. but there are a lot of crickets in the thicket.
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:47 pm #
More lies. Do you do anything but lie?
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 8:48 pm #
Thanks for the response Darleen. It seems that Russia and esp. China are more than happy to buy oil from Iran, as well as a good number of other countries, so even if the US were to not buy from Iran (and I’m not sure if the world oil market works that way), they would likely have sufficient funds to continue developing a nuke.
I don’t think there’s any point talking to Iran, because I think they’ve run the numbers and decided that having a nuke if worth far, far, more than anything anyone could offer.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:48 pm #
Jolly Roger, I’d suggest you read “The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich”.
Neville Chamberlain believed in peace.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:48 pm #
. “You lie about me.”
Including the part where I say “You’re a fucking liar”?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 8:49 pm #
Jolly Roger is clearly a proponent of the meme that Boooooooosh! attacked Iraq to quicken the coming of the apocalypse, and that the neo-cons desire to curb Islamo-Fascism along with their suport for Israel against the same is some kind of religiously motivated strategem; instead of being realpolitik involving our one long-time reliable democratic ally in the middle east…
Sure Roger, it’s all because of the god-bothering xtianists…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:49 pm #
“Including the part where I say “You’re a fucking liar”?”
No, that part is true.
You are a liar.
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 8:51 pm #
“it’s all because of the god-bothering xtianists…”
with some blood-thirsty gun-nuts, thrown in.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 8:52 pm #
#1. Stop kissing their ass while they’re poking you in the eye. Americans are supposed to complain about things like the election aftermath.
#2. If the topic is Iran, don’t trust China or Russia.
Feel free to add.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 8:53 pm #
What do you make of the assessment that Iran’s nuclear facilities are deeply buried and not particularly vulnerable to even our best bunker-busters? We have pretty good data about our stuff, after using it on Iraq, and then investigating the facilities after the fact, and my impression is that our bunker-busters didn’t bust a lot. Anyone have any information to confirm/refute this?
That seems to be a key question – is Iran’s nuclear program vulnerable to aerial bombardment or did they design for this contingency?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 8:53 pm #
How did we get from the Daily Show to Israel?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:54 pm #
“with some blood-thirsty gun-nuts, thrown in.”
“blood-thirsty”?
What do you think we are, a bunch of Stlainists?
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 8:54 pm #
How does that math work, Charles?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:55 pm #
“with some blood-thirsty gun-nuts, thrown in.”
“blood-thirsty”?
What do you think we are, a bunch of Stalinists?
Comment by sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:55 pm #
“Feel free to add.”
Quit selling them advanced western tunneling technology. Stop doing maintenance on the equipment already in their possession.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/25 @ 8:57 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 8:53 pm #
How did we get from the Daily Show to Israel?”
Run along, child, the adults are talking.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 8:59 pm #
No one here has advocated nuking Iran Roger-nobody. Although I’ve often thought that we should be prepared to ratchet up the pressure if they continue stalling; up through a blockade and even striking them ourselves once the GBU-57 is integrated into the B-2 weapon system…
Of course, we should have the CIA types ready to help the the dissidents rise up when we do strike, considering that the necessary tactics surrounding such an attack will involve a strike on the IRG installations as well as missile facilities and other large bases.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 9:00 pm #
To distinguish myself from those ‘end-timers’ who mistakenly believe god is somehow going to revitalize a literal New Jerusalem.
Oh my you are a piece of work
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 9:01 pm #
“No one here has advocated nuking Iran Roger-nobody”
Advocacy is not the issue. Do you think it is a bad idea?
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 9:02 pm #
“Oh my you are a piece of work”
Excellent retort, for a dishonest broker.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 9:02 pm #
With a nuclear weapon, they are a regional super-power. They have two WMDs at their disposal, one that they can use at will in the region, and the other they can use opportunistically world-wide.
The regional weapon is the nuke. I don’t think they’d give it to Hezbolla or Hamas. I think they’d use it more to enable them to bully their neighbors with the assurance that no one attacks a country with a nuke. Even the US doesn’t drop bombs on nuclear powers.
The other WMD is the price of oil. During a time of thin surplus, they can shock the world oil market quite effectively.
What their end-game is, I don’t know. They talk about the destruction of Israel, but I just can imagine them being dumb enough to actually get themselves nuked back to the stone age in an Israeli counter-strike. The Iranian rhetoric against Israel seems more like a populist foil than a real plan, but who knows.
Comment by David R. Block on 10/25 @ 9:03 pm #
Christianists and gun nuts, eh? Bush was going to help start the apocalypse? As one of the first two, I never thought the latter.
With all of the straw, I have no doubts that you are getting your daily dose of fiber…
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 9:04 pm #
JR
Why do you find it necessary to ask people to weigh in on something never asserted?
Do you always engage in bad faith arguments when you first make an appearance?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:04 pm #
Charles,
With respect to the latest facility revealed at Qum, it is within reach of the GBU-57 penetrator. None of the known Iranian facilities would be invulnerable to that weapon. Additionally, the Israelis have discussed the use of commandos; the tactic being to use air power to engage/disable the ground forces while commandos actually destroy the facilities in question…
Of course, I’m not talking about a single squad, but a sizeable force for each objective…
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 9:04 pm #
I believe I have no idea exactly how well defended Iran’s facilities are, or what is available to penetrate them. I suspect that for as long as Iran has been building them, Israelis have been working on a way to blow them up. They’re not going to attempt anything they’re not capable of accomplishing.
I’m unfamiliar with our inability to blow things up in Iraq, so I can’t help you there.
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 9:06 pm #
JR
You are a piece of work to think you can just thinly veiled anti-Zionist rhetoric including the slanderous “Christians only like Jews because of endtimes” meme.
It is almost as old as the Islamist blood libel against Jews.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 9:06 pm #
Do India and Pakistan know that?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:07 pm #
“blood-thirsty gun nuts”…
Roger, we’ve now got a firm fix as to where your sentiments lie; anti-religion, anti-gun…
I’m guessing you’re pro Obama…
Comment by Darleen on 10/25 @ 9:08 pm #
Bob Reed
I’m sure JR is of the “Iran is no threat” Biden skool….
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:08 pm #
And I’ll not go into any details except to say I have first hand knowledge of the penetrating ability of our strategic systems should they come into play; it is considerable…
Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 9:09 pm #
I think the majority has spoken.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 9:10 pm #
“No. Nor do I think Israelis are god’s chosen people.”
Translation: My girlfriend bolted for a guy that was circumcised.
You show up, assert Bolton said one thing… which he didn’t, get called on it, and then flip around and shriek “JEWS ARE GONNA LAUNCH!! Y’all have to prove me up a negative!”
We get it. You don’t like Jews.
Pop quiz shithead.
Israel has nukes.
Which they’ve never used.
What happens when the 12th imam, wipe ‘em off the map, death to America mullahs get one?
Just one.
And sentiments?
Iran just threw a bloody democratic party.
The party goers are still being rounded up, imprisoned and/or are now murdered.
Obama and his State Department refused to RSVP to the Iranians “freedom” party.
But Honduras was a coup.
Go screw Jolly.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 9:11 pm #
It’s something I’ve wondered about – putting a limited number of boots on the ground, and using a large number of assets to defend them while they take down a few specific facilities. As far as I know, it’s never been tried – to defend maybe a few hundered guys on the ground while they break into a bunker, take computers, and other data, and destroy the place from the bottom up. All while the country it’s happening to is throwing everything they’ve got at them.
Maybe the motion picture rights could cover the cost…
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:13 pm #
Yes, the never ending foreign policy Brilliance! that fkows from Biden of Arabia…
putz
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/25 @ 9:13 pm #
How did we get from the Daily Show to Israel?
We burrowed under the balloon fence.
And who is “we” anyway? Do the cockroaches in your kitchen get a vote on what your family has for dinner?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:15 pm #
Roger,
You type without listening, assert without evidence, and you definitely are not jolly…
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 9:17 pm #
Why do you find it necessary to ask people to weigh in on something never asserted?
Says the woman routinely out of the blue asks people if they think Israel is a legitimate country…
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 9:18 pm #
Yes, it’s official. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:23 pm #
“Maybe the motion picture rights could cover the cost…”
Yeah, nice snark Charles,
It is doable, but only by a combined US/Israeli force. The Israeli’s would provide the commandos, we would provide strategic precision strike capability, to soften uo the targets and take out the air defence/communications network. And a combination of Israeli airpower and US carrier assets would punish the conventional forces.
And I’m not talking about a few hundred guys; more like a battalion or two that would be extracted by the Navy on the Persian gulf coast…
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 9:39 pm #
Bob, I actually think it’s the best idea I’ve heard. It lets us achieve the objective without decade long occupation. You don’t have to wonder if the attack “got it.” You probably get a wealth of intel from the operation. It would be extremely ballsy (which probably means it’s politically impossible).
It’s also a very high risk maneuver. Imagine the heyday the patriotic (cough) press would have if the ground forces were overrun.
Why Israeli, why not our guys?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 9:46 pm #
Nah Charles, I’m more for Jolly Rodger’s “ISRAEL IS GONNA LAUNCH!!” thing.
Detonate a low yield nuke at altitude. Say 5 miles off the deck.
Resulting EMP knocks out every electrical circuit and centrifuge in the country, but leaves the folk alive.
Sure it puts Iran back in the 7th century, but those mullahs are all about the 7th century.
Comment by JD on 10/25 @ 9:46 pm #
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS and the military bring out the jolly roger, who we have seen before, and charles, who tells us of our inability to blow things up, and scoffs at ideas with some movie script BS.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 9:50 pm #
JD – read. breathe. read again. you can do it. take your time.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:52 pm #
Charles,
I’m not dreaming this up; I’ve seen it put forth as an all Israeli operation in the past few weeks. It may have been a trial balloon, but sounded plausible to me. That’s the reason I didn’t suggest our special ops crew…
I have to think that Mossad has operatives in Iran already, as we probably do too, watching the nuclear sites and rocket installations; of which there are likely more than have been alluded to already. I mean, there is at least another uranium conversion facility since all of the product of the one IAEA is monitoring goes to Nanantz…
It is a high risk maneuver politically and militarily. While I don’t expect Mr. Obama to get involved in such a thing, I would hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Iran can’t be allowed to get nuclear weapons, because they will use them, both on Israel as well as on western targets through their terrorist arms…
A fancy missile delivery system is not neccisarily the only way to deliver a nuclear payload. Unfortuantely, as with other terror attacks, a Toyota van delivery system works just as well…
Comment by JD on 10/25 @ 9:57 pm #
Fuck you, Chuckles. The idea that you give a shit about how we should defend our interests is laughable, given your prior anti-military isolationist rants.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 9:58 pm #
Because Obama isn’t going to send them. Bibi is likely to act. Obama isn’t.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 9:59 pm #
What do you think the trigger is Bob?
Shipments of air defense equip from Russia? An actual test detonation?
Also, what does India do?
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 9:59 pm #
Bob, it sounds completely plausible. Like I’ve said, I’ve wondered myself if such an operation would work. Having never been tried, there’s a lot more risk. However, having never been done, it’s seems there’s a strong element of surprise as well. I wonder how long they’d have to hang out to get the job done. A couple days? A week? Longer?
At least, at this point, we have a pretty good idea which of our weapon systems actually work, how effective they are, etc.
Comment by JD on 10/25 @ 10:12 pm #
Jolly Roger managed to beclown himself in one single thread, which though not in and of itself a record, the number of comments to complete asshattery rivaled anything from william or gordo.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 10:13 pm #
nuance. JD. There’s a difference between wanting a military with the personnel to occupy two countries simultaneously while maintaining enough forces in German and Japan to keep them safe, oh, and Australia too. Versus wanting a military that can pull off some extremely sophisticated point operations and maintaining a viable deterrent to the worlds other proto-super powers.
I’d be all for spending a quite large amount to make a smaller force even more capable. Heck, I think UAVs are a fantastic idea (don’t interpret this to mean I don’t want any fighting force, that’s not what I’m saying)
I remember talking to a buddy who flew F18s in the first gulf war, and him saying, “I was basically a truck driver. It was hours of boredom, you’d drop your stuff, and then it was hours of boredom flying back.” It made me wonder then how hard it simply convert some of our existing aircraft to UAVs.
Remote controlled sniper positions seem like another fairly obvious thing.
There was the DARPA challenge to have a vehicle navigate through the desert on its own, but again, why not put a remote control package in Humvees and trucks and drive some of our supply conveys remotely, while we spend the decade next decade getting the autonomous stuff right?
I’m not anti-military. I question the return on long-term occupations, and the expense of maintaining the force levels required to carry it out. But I’m very in favor of high training for the troops we do have, and unmanned assets.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 10:21 pm #
Lamont,
What the trigger should be, and what it will be are vastly different…
What it should be is any increase in activity at the sites being shadowed by special forces, or by satellites, coupled with continued negotiation intransigence. My gut tells me that we have CIA types, or the Israeli’s have Mossad, in country working with the Iranian dissident; I lean toward Israeli owing to Obama’s behavior during the Iranian election crisis. Any increase in activity would mean putting the operation into motion…
And that goes double for any intel that reveals Russian SA-300 shipments…
Personally, I don’t think India will do anything but breathe a sigh of relief; the last thing they want is a nuclear Iran aligned with China. The Indians have had border disputes with China before, and internally are debating the need to build something along the lines of the Maginot line on vulnerable sections of the Chinese frontier…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/25 @ 10:34 pm #
Unless you’re willing to only use the military in hit-and-run type operations, swoop in, achieve some goal, and swoop out again, this isnt’ very realistic. And you’ll have just as much trouble from operating that way as by conducting occupation operations, when the result of swoopign in and out is to have decapitated some country and left it with no way to run itself or defend itself.
We could have left Afghanistan in 2002. We could have left Iraq in 2004. What would that have gained us though?
You’ll also lose a lot of good troops to transition to the kind of force you describe. I would not be willing to stay for it.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/25 @ 10:35 pm #
Asked and answered.
Makes sense to me.
Thanks Bob.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 10:37 pm #
Charles,
I think from the first raids to the final extraction the mission would probably be 48 to 72 hours; preferably over a weekend so there wouldn’t be a bunch of UN and legacy media palaver and hand-wringing…
And just a note on UAV’s and their ground based components. I have some insight into that subject, and can tell you it is rapidly evolving, and very useful under certain circumstances; particularly ones dangerous to human pilots. But, there are limitations as well, and cruise missiles as well as precision strike munitions are still more effective right now.
A large Naval task force in the Med and Persian gulf would be required to pull this off, as well as to keep the Iranians from closing the straights of Hormuz…
I can’t stress enough the wildcard of support from the dissident elements inside Iran would be. That’s why I suggested earlier that major IRG formations, armoured bases, as well as missile installations and airfields would be crushed in the opening strikes; in sort of a “shock and awe” fashion…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/25 @ 10:38 pm #
Bob: What about Chinese HQ2’s? If so, we’re too late.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 10:40 pm #
Just landed in my inbox –
http://www.cracked.com/article/153_nuke-moon-5-certifiably-insane-cold-war-projects_p2
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 10:44 pm #
I agree SSgt.,
We would have gained nothing strategically by bugging out of Iraq of Afghanistan, then and now…
And the scenario I’m discussing is one I’ve seen put forth in the Israeli press; that is for a combination air and commando assault. I guess it’s been considered owing to the inabiity of the Israelis to do this by air alone, and be certain of neutralizing the targets; either that or to feed disinformation to the Iranians…
As you can see by my string of comments, I believe we muct have spec ops assets in Iran already, or are cooperating with the Israelis who do.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 10:46 pm #
#142 – have no fear, I’m in utterly no danger of becoming king any time soon.
Wouldn’t an operation like this just make moderate Iranians rally around their flag, and give their government cover to make darn sure that political uprisings don’t get out of hand? I think of how the Lebanese rallied around Hezbolla, even though Hezbolla baited Israel into rubbleing a good chunk of Lebanon.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/25 @ 10:47 pm #
Better one.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 10:52 pm #
Good point about the HQ2’s.
Those will pose a serious problem for the Israelis, and would mean that it would require stealth aircraft strike to knock out the radars and C3, and C3I, systems; or at least precision cruise missiles…
I don’t have much confidence on the President’s willingness to take the tough decisions and do what is needed to stop the Iranians. Regardless of his campaign rhetoric, he seems resigned to going into a MAD docreine standoff; he doesn’t realize that Hisbullah will just as willingly drive a minivan into Manhattan with a dirty bomb as they would launch a missile strike on Tel-Aviv.
Comment by Charles on 10/25 @ 10:59 pm #
Why hasn’t a dirty bomb gone off yet? The materiel needed isn’t nearly has hard to come by as a critical mass of Uranium. I would have thought that Iran (or someone else) could have easily provided this material to people more than willing to use it, and yet it hasn’t happened. If the US has become too hard of a target, Europe certainly hasn’t. It makes me suspect that Iran is happy to have a proxy spat with Israel, but has decided that it’s way to risky to their own survival to provide terrorists with any decent armaments, much less anything that glows.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 10:59 pm #
It’s hard to say Charles,
You may be rightm that it would cause moderates to rally. But, if the strikes on the massed assets caused little collateral damage and were limited to the IRG, who helped in the brutalization and intimidation of dissidents, there may be compromised cells willing to move forward and take the opportunity to effect the regime change they were looking for a few months ago…
But that would presuppose that Mr. Obama would vocally reinforce that the US would recognize the new government that arose, as well as guarantee their security vis-a-vis any regional interests they feared nationally.
It would be difficult under ideal conditions, and I doubt the President has the intestinal fortitude for it.
Perhaps if he were told that IRG stood for Iranian Republican Guard, instead of Revolutionary; he seems to have the vinegar to go after Republicans…
Comment by Snowcone on 10/25 @ 11:02 pm #
My gut tells me that we have CIA types, or the Israeli’s have Mossad, in country working with the Iranian dissident
Maybe it’s the same crack American and Israeli spies that located Saddam’s nukes!
/eyeroll
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 11:07 pm #
You actually need more material for a dirty bomb than a conventional nuclear weapon. That’s because the fissile material is much lower purity than traditional weapons grade.
Besides, notwithstanding the terror generated, the device wouldn’t really have that large a footprint, although in a densely populated urban area it would effect quite a few people.
Comment by Patrick Chester on 10/25 @ 11:23 pm #
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Comment by Jolly Roger on 10/25 @ 9:09 pm #
I think the majority has spoken.
I think you made up your mind long before you came here.
Comment by hot fudge sundae on 10/26 @ 12:09 am #
“Maybe it’s the same crack American and Israeli spies that located Saddam’s nukes!
/eyeroll”
I wonder why human intelligence gathering is dicey in thuggish totalitarian states? I don’t suppose the fact that it is illegal for the intelligence services to employ assets who are human rights violators helps. Good thing, that. God bless the Democrats for the way they’ve driven us to a reliance on electronic surveillance. Especially helpful in cases like Iraq where the regime literally wanted everyone to believe they had a full arsenal of capabilities. Lefties should stick to goatsecx and tofu and leave the man’s work to mens.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/26 @ 12:22 am #
Especially helpful in cases like Iraq where the regime literally wanted everyone to believe they had a full arsenal of capabilities.
It’s ironic that the Republican’s complete Iraqi WMD intelligence failure guaranteed that Iran could develop nuclear weapons without any meaningful resistance from the U.S.
Comment by geoffb on 10/26 @ 12:49 am #
Homophobic Roman Catholics,
Extremist libertarians,
God-bothering, xtianist bring on the end-timers,
Republican Party sycophantic loyalists.
How many cartoon images are to be found in the imaginary PW split personality?
Comment by hot fudge sundae on 10/26 @ 12:59 am #
“It’s ironic that the Republican’s complete Iraqi WMD intelligence failure guaranteed that Iran could develop nuclear weapons without any meaningful resistance from the U.S.”
are you still a high school student or a really stupid adult? The intelligence failures were systemic, due to obstacles which hamstrung the Clinton administration as well as that of Bush. It goes back to Carter. I really do not understand why a person like yourself who obviously knows nothing feels compelled to offer his opinions.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/26 @ 1:04 am #
The intelligence failures were systemic
How much effort did the Republicans exert to confirm the phony intelligence they based their war on?
Zero.
Comment by KarenW on 10/26 @ 1:05 am #
Thanks for the Daily Show clip. This segment looks hilarious and I’l have to find it. I realize that what you usually do here at PW is search out the outrage dujour in which all of your worst fears (illegal immigrants, Muslims, liberals, socialism, anti-business legislation, race issues, etc.) are somehow justified but that doesn’t make for good comedy without the parody aspect (remember that horible Fox News “comedy” show?).
Comment by geoffb on 10/26 @ 1:10 am #
Look!!! Parody!!!
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/26 @ 1:17 am #
“How much effort did the Republicans exert to confirm the phony intelligence they based their war on?”
Well, every other allied intelligence service at the time were indicating that Saddam had WMD. And it’s still not completely true that he didn’t either; from trace amounts of Sarin found in the Euphrates to the 400+ tons of yellowcake uranium quietly shipped to Canada…
But thanks to the Torricelli amendment, proposed and passed by Democrats mostly, we weren’t allowed to deal with nefarious people in the intelligence game, which severly limited our ability to gather human intelligence. It was part and parcel of the “Law Enforcement model” that we’re going back to using to fight terrorism under Obama…
So when all our allies told us Saddam had WMD, we had to take their word for it since, you know, we couldn’t deal with bad people to find out on our own…
When you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t try to be clever. These matters aren’t condusive to “fake it till you make it” palavering…
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/26 @ 1:19 am #
At least your comment wasn’t deleted KarenW, but allowed to swtand on it’s own merits; or lack thereof…
A very different environment to Kos, DU, and HuffPo…
Outrage du jour indeed…
Comment by Snowcone on 10/26 @ 1:24 am #
Bob,
If you guys knew what you were talking about you wouldn’t be currently filling the whiny eunuch role America has designated for you.
Bush wanted his war with Iraq and he ended up killing the Republican party.
And an awful lot of Iraqis, too.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/26 @ 2:11 am #
How much effort did the Republicans exert to confirm the phony intelligence they based their war on?
Zero.
It’s just like with Obama’s “”"”supposed”"”" intelligence. Because, you know, he’s an idiot.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 4:53 am #
Those last three words are kind of important.
Comment by Carin on 10/26 @ 5:36 am #
Snowcow – champion of dictators! Saddam wasn’t so bad ….
Comment by donald on 10/26 @ 6:55 am #
The only Iranian I know is married to my buddy Bob’s (Bmoe met him) sister. When we first met him, he was al 70’s silk shirts open to the chest and bad cologne, west coast disco boy. Over the years he has become more um, ah, religious we’ll say. He sells blinds and is a heroin addict. America it turns out IS a great satan, which like a big pussy in Scarface is to fucked. He also bought a condo in Iran, of which Bob’s sister now realizes that Ahmed (Real name) is soon to desert her and the four kids for the good life in Tehran. Just sayin.
Comment by donald on 10/26 @ 6:55 am #
That was “all” silk shirts…
Comment by Carin on 10/26 @ 6:58 am #
Ahmed (Real name) is soon to desert her and the four kids for the good life in Tehran. Just sayin.
Hopefully he just leaves her and doesn’t take the kids.
Comment by SDN on 10/26 @ 7:43 am #
No, what’s ironic is the Copperheads pretending they would have done anything meaningful to stop Iran from developing whatever they needed to kill Jews and American servicepeople.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 7:49 am #
I am betting heroin addicts are real popular with the Mullahs. I would take Carin’s advice and keep a real close eye on those kids.
Comment by BJTexs on 10/26 @ 7:57 am #
My oldest niece married into a family of Iranian Jews. Aside from Richie’s family being some of the nicest most honorable people I have ever met I’m reasonably sure they have an entirely different view of life in Iran …. you know, a view much closer to the “Right Wing propaganda machine.”
I’m also thinking that Alphie/snocone’s Mile High Dirt Berm™ around his basement keeps him from having met a single Iranian.
The only nit I can pick about my in-laws is that they are all [*sigh*] Yankee Fans.
Comment by Charles on 10/26 @ 8:50 am #
Agreed.
Comment by JD on 10/26 @ 8:54 am #
Shakes head …
Comment by SDN on 10/26 @ 9:06 am #
Oh, and would that have been the same intelligence Clintoon and the Copperheads passed an actual law claiming that overthrowing Saddam was the official policy of the US? Not that they ever did or intended to do anything meaningful to get it done…..
Snowblower and Charles are so fundamentally dishonest on this issue that there is no point in debating them. Just point and laugh…..
Comment by BJTexs on 10/26 @ 9:12 am #
Yea, Charles, because intelligence operations only concentrate on one thing at a time and are completely incapable of multitasking.
Please!
Let’s also try to remember that the intelligence “failures” on Saddam’s WMD’s (some of which are still unaccounted for, BTW,) were shared by the spy services of Great Britain, Germany, France and Israel.
No, I’m sorry, never mind. I forgot that everything wrong in the world is the fault of Bush and the Republicans. My bad.
Comment by JD on 10/26 @ 9:19 am #
And Iran would have never tried to go nuclear but for those mistakes. Rubbish.
Comment by sdferr on 10/26 @ 9:21 am #
Certainly circumstances like this had nothing to do with it:
Comment by JD on 10/26 @ 9:24 am #
sdferr – As long as the MSM allows them to do that crap without real scrutiny or recrimination, well …
Comment by BJTexs on 10/26 @ 9:28 am #
An assessment, BTW, that has been proven so completely wrong by numerous intelligence agencies around the world as to be a joke … or exactly the way it was characterized by that WSJ article.
Comment by Rusty on 10/26 @ 5:06 pm #
It’s ironic that the Republican’s complete Iraqi WMD intelligence failure guaranteed that Iran could develop nuclear weapons without any meaningful resistance from the U.S.
Sorry Chuck, but every credible intelligence source besides the U.S. and Israelis believed Saddam had WMDs and Saddam did everything he could to reinforce that belief. Remember. Always assume the gun is unloaded.
What do you suppose Saddam was going to use those 500 tons of yellowcake that the IAEC missed? Centrifuge or gas diffusion?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/26 @ 6:00 pm #
This, of course, bears no resemblance to anything I said.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/26 @ 7:58 pm #
Charles? Did you just agree with the talking telephone pole? If Bush dropped the ball, then the entire western hemisphere dropped it, too, in regards to the intel. BTW, I was against the Iraq escalation. But, the intel was consistent. Alphie is a fucking retard. You really don’t want to ever agree with it.
Comment by Rusty on 10/27 @ 8:27 pm #
Chuck?