Are you a Fox person or not a Fox person? And I think they want to identify Fox as the standard bearer of American conservatism. If you’re a conservative, you’re for Fox (ie, is that who you want to be?).
In Michael Wolff’s America there is no Constitution, there is no First Amendment, there are no principles of free speech or free press. One cannot be “for Fox” and be anything but a [loathsome, racist, sexist, teabagging, homophobic, hate-crime-prone, godbothering] CONSERVATIVE!!! [cue the screaming horses]
Even when the evil scandal of CNN’s collaboration with Saddam Hussein was revealed, I don’t recall any White House official nor any non-left commentator calling for CNN to be expelled from the press corps. Certainly, that was a lot worse then the audicity of Chris Wallace doing his job in fact-checking assertions made by Tammy Duckworth on his show. The Obama Whitehouse doesn’t want a free press, they want a nationwide PR machine.
Wolff also asserts, baldly, that “conservatives” are now a minority …
Republicanism = conservatism = Fox = rabid opposition to an incredibly popular piece of legislation = hopeless marginalization = new liberal consensus.
…basing that on the incredibly bogus WaPo poll. Wolff also fails to grasp that there are vastly more conservatives than Republicans.
Wolff is really just parroting the White House talking point to non-leftists: SHUT UP, or else.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 7:47 am #
>… Frau Fuchs …
>::: Horses whinny in terror :::
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 7:50 am #
Word has it that as Wolff was writing this piece, he had this running through his head on endless loop.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 7:53 am #
Thank God Jake Tapper has some integrity.
And Obama cheerleaders at NBC, MSNBC, CBS, and CNN should not be so quiet. If the Administration can de-legitimize Fox, it can de-legitimize them all.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:54 am #
On might think that should Mr Wolff wish to continue to delude himself he ought to be encouraged therein. Then one might wait, were one of a cruel disposition, for the awful shock Mr. Wolff will receive when his deluded grasp exceeds his reach, and his arm comes away from his body.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/21 @ 8:00 am #
In Barack Obama’s America you’ll all have freedom.
Freedom of the press (as long as Barack thinks it’s a legitimate news organization.)
Freedom to smoke pot (so long as it’s for medicinal purposes and conforms to State law.)
Ad lib.
That’s what freedom is. Whatever your betters in government tells you it is!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:08 am #
Oh, noes!
“Obama’s War on Fox News Becomes a Quagmire”
“THE WHITE HOUSE – Despite the President’s promise of a swift and decisive victory, Obama’s War on Fox News has developed all signs of an unwinnable quagmire, making the White House even more isolated in its unilateral attempts to crush the growing media insurgency. As the war continues to grind on for a second month, public opinion is shifting towards a quick and complete withdrawal. While many observers still agree that the “War on Limbaugh” is a “just and necessary war,” even the former supporters of the war effort are now labeling the War on Fox an “unnecessary war of choice” and claim that the cable channel had nothing to do with Obama’s falling approval numbers.”
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=4221
[h/t Instapundit]
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 8:13 am #
Even Lib Bob Beckel admitted last night that Fox is a “real” news organization. I dare anyone – lib troll – to find biased reporting during it’s news hours.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:23 am #
For a tad more of Michael Wolff and his compatriots, Michelle Cottle and MoDo, take a gander at this Noemie Emery piece.
Comment by Jim Ryan on 10/21 @ 8:28 am #
[loathsome, racist, sexist, teabagging, homophobic, hate-crime-prone, godbothering] CONSERVATIVE!!!
Word. Let’s get this straight: Conservative, that’s when you hate people who aren’t white and rich, you want to keep enslaving them for the sake of your stock portfolio, and you love it when there are horrific injuries in the dangerous factories you have stock in. Liberal: That’s when you care about sweet little poor children and are for giving them help instead of against it.
Anyone who can vote for a Republican is a demented sociopath or a stupid creationist bible-thumping Hallithuglican Palinazi hick. Anyone against Obamacare has had the part of his brain that cares about other living beings go missing or scrambled by a knitting needle.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 8:30 am #
Maureen Dowd. Bitter and alone. She will eventually morph into her inner self, which is Helen Thomas.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 8:32 am #
Why go after Fox? Well, becuase they run stuff like this bit we could call Philadelphia Freedom.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 8:35 am #
Oh oh, someone has made the new Brietbart-OKeefe-Giles ACORN video private, and it is not Brietbart-OKeefe-Giles…hmmmm.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:39 am #
#11, apparently Youtube is carrying water for ACORN, cause the video is blocked.
Comment by Squid on 10/21 @ 8:44 am #
Hallithuglican Palinazi
Dude, that’s just poetic. Consider it redistributed!
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:56 am #
Insty links to a Donald Sensing piece which reiterates the argument I’ve been making here since Sunday, namely, that FoxNews is not the target of this campaign, but rather, the target is the rest of the media which until now has been ostensibly allied with Obama but which cannot (for good reason) be trusted to remain so. The Obama political operation knows very well that one defection will lead to another, and in the worst case, a cascade of defection which will entomb their political plans in concrete. I believe that just such an eventuality is a near certainty, as one after another, the Obama policies fail.
No Health care bill the country wants. A massive, laughable, were it not so sad Stimulus bill that does not stimulate but wastes dollars in exchange for deficit. No Cap and Tax monstrosity. No end to Gitmo. No Card Check driven re-unionization of the country. No end to American/Iraqi co-operation. No success in Afghanistan, while his dithering exposes the President’s own personal incompetence in war fighting. No achievement of any use on Iranian nuclear progress, with the likelyhood of an Israeli attack rising with each passing day. And worse, the President allies himself with the tyrannical theologists of Tehran against the people of Iran who want nothing more than to be rid of their tormentors. No improved relation with Russia, which will do whatever it chooses in the meantime, whatever it sees as in its interest and its interest alone, all while Obama is charged with selling out our Eastern European allies for nothing in return.
Obama can be charged with further foreign policy incompetence in his mishandling of Honduras’ political turmoil, to the point that Obama has painted himself into an inextricable corner by refusing to honor the results of Honduras upcoming elections.
The man has a great deal to lose should the ordinary media outlets choose one day to tell his story aloud. That day, I think, can’t be far off.
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 8:59 am #
Well, the White House certainly is trying to get the rest of the lapdog media to ignore it. I honestly don’t know how good a strategy this is outside of the most dim in the field [glances over at Mo Dowd].
I want to ask them all how does it feel to get patted on the head, like a good doggie, by the White House?
When they were all in J-school, did they ever imagine that they would dedicated their lives to carrying the government’s water?
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 9:00 am #
Sdferr – Excellent synopsis of the failures, to date. More will follow, to be sure.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:04 am #
It certainly wasn’t an exhaustive list JD. He won’t be attending the German celebration of the end of the Berlin wall and the end of Communist domination, for instance. He didn’t attend Poland’s ceremonies last month either. He has alienated India gratuitously. He ingratiates himself with the monsters of Burma, for what? He gives Chavez a pass and mewls before the likes of Ortega. The list is still not done.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/21 @ 9:05 am #
Cue the screaming horses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9dDaJjjE4
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 9:05 am #
Republicanism = conservatism = Fox = rabid opposition to an incredibly popular piece of legislation = hopeless marginalization = new liberal consensus.
Snicker.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:07 am #
He also painted himself into a corner, from which he had ultimately to back out, with his absurd insistence that Israel ceases all settlement building before peace talks could resume. He went before a massive audience in Cairo to tell a bogus but flattering story about the history of the Muslim peoples, a bogus story of the founding of Israel, a bogus story of the history of America, even, and got what from the Arab states standing to the side? Nothing.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/21 @ 9:18 am #
On second read, is Wolff’s column intended tongue-in-cheek? Or an explanation of O! & co.’s thought processes? Being a mentally-impaired knuckle-dragging conservative, it’s hard to tell.
Comment by Sgt. Mom on 10/21 @ 9:23 am #
Oh, good lord … the stupid assumptions, they burn, they burn us, so they do. Add me to the list of sort-of-libertarian, strict constitutionalists who doesn’t watch Fox, never listened to Limbaugh, and – when the subject of Glenn Beck was first brought to my attention (as a member of a local Tea Party!) – had him muddled up with Jeff Beck, and thought it was kinda cool there was another conservative rock musician besides Ted Nugent.
Comment by Matt on 10/21 @ 9:25 am #
Posted this in wrong thread originally- my apologies.
I think the point here is from liberals point of view, its ok to demonize the oppositions news network. Sure, Fox is slanted, especially compared to the letter networks. IF its ok to demonize the opposing news network, I think liberals should be concerned- with a republican president, Fox would be the only news network allowed into briefings. Hell, I thought Bush should have kicked out the NY Times a few times when they kept leaking security information which was putting our troops at risk.
So I ask a simple question to our liberal friends- is it ok for the president to demonize a news network who’s coverage is seen as unfavorable to said president ?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:27 am #
So in answer posted in ‘tother thread Matt:
“…the oppositions news network…”
You’ve already ceded the win Matt. The question is, is there anything that can be said to be true which can be the possession of anyone no matter the party? If not, then you haven’t lost anything. If yes, then there is no such thing as an “opposition’s news network” and we’ve all lost.
Comment by TheGeezer on 10/21 @ 9:32 am #
THREAD HIJACK WARNING!
Someone (Darlen?) should set up a thread featuring this fascinating development in Christianity. Are there any eschatologists lurking about?
Comment by TheGeezer on 10/21 @ 9:33 am #
Darlene. Darn it. Sorry.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/21 @ 9:36 am #
Keep digging, geezer!
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:38 am #
Hand him a bigger shovel TSI, or better yet, give him the keys to the backhoe.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 9:39 am #
that there are vastly more conservatives than Republicans
The only problem is…they don’t live in America.
Comment by Matt on 10/21 @ 9:45 am #
Sdferr- sorry to make you re-post but thanks for doing so. I see your point- the problem I see is the press stopped doing its job back in the late 60’s/early 70s. Its impossible in this day and age, with political divisions as wide as they are, for any journalistic organization to maintain a complete lack of bias. Fox leans right- I’m ok with admitting it. The other networks and many of the newspapers lean left- some harder than others. The left, though, for some reason, refuses to admit it (or many of them). And many of us still deny Fox’s bias.
I’m hoping if we can at least come to some concession – ie news networks are, for better or for worse, slanted in a particular direction, then we can begin having a discussion. I think its ludicrous the White House is demonizing Fox- its silly and childish but it appeals to the far left. What I want to know is a. does the left approve of demonizing any opposition news network b. when the shoe is on the presidential foot, will the same hold true ?
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 9:49 am #
We fart in your general direction, snowblower.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:50 am #
Tom Maguire, with his characteristically penetrating perspicacity (not to say, cynicism) gets it. Mickey, apparently, doesn’t.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 9:54 am #
Mark Styen is a friggin’ genius [from The Corner}:
"Enough [Mark Steyn]
On NY-23, I’m with Fred Thompson and Jack Fowler: A Conservative can win in a three-way race, and Doug Hoffman is deserving of your support.
Newt really needs to re-think his support for Dede Scozzafava. This isn’t RINO but DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only. “
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 9:55 am #
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 9:39 am #
What was your MOS there, Patton?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 9:59 am #
“…the press stopped doing its job back in the late 60’s/early 70s.”
I don’t know whether I think that is the case Matt. In fact, I’m leaning to thinking not, though the detail matters a great deal. Perhaps we’d still see eye to eye were we to tear this apart and put it back together.
“…a complete lack of bias.”
We can’t ask that of any human being (and I don’t). We can ask for honesty for the most part, however.
“What I want to know is a. does the left approve of demonizing any opposition news network b. when the shoe is on the presidential foot, will the same hold true?”
Here again, I think, you skip over the crucial point. Can any story be told which simply tells the truth? Most of the media people would say yes or at least, want to say yes, I think. We too, want to think that simple truths can be communicated, whether in news gathering and dissemination, or in ordinary intercourse between people. If not, we condemn everything to the phantom zone, where nothing is as it seems.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 10:03 am #
Now if the WH is doing this to keep their press lackeys in line and succeeds in so doing it can only help them if no one is watching Fox. Ever.
So will they take the next step? Shut down all non-lackey information dissemination of all stripes? I do see moves in that direction by various Czars but success is very much not assured.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 10:05 am #
“So will they take the next step? ”
No fucking way. That way death and destruction lies.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 10:09 am #
Sdferr.
Not sure about all the press, but from the reporting on the Vietnam War and Watergate, I can see a good case to be made that they have been in the tank for the Left since then. Not 100% but enough to swing a leftist narrative into becoming the mainstream default belief on events. False history is useful to them.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 10:11 am #
But if you truly believe your own hype you might try.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 10:12 am #
“…a good case to be made that they have been in the tank for the Left since then.”
Yes, geoffb, quite a good case can be made in particular matters, especially some political matters. However, for instance, did the plane crash? Why, yes, yes it did. Was it because ice had built up on the wing before takeoff and after de-icing procedures had been done? Why yes, that was the cause. Etc.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 10:13 am #
Mark Styen is a friggin’
Speaking of crazy Right-wing foreigners…
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 10:14 am #
I just don’t think they are quite that stupid geoffb. There may be a teeny-tiny chance I’m wrong but I don’t see the percentages in their favor and don’t think they would either.
Comment by A simple mind on 10/21 @ 10:30 am #
#30: People here had Obama/Biden bumberstickers on their cars, and admitted to donating money to him. They are NOT U.S. citizens.
Comment by Eben on 10/21 @ 10:30 am #
I see snotcone’s back to his ‘monkey throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks’ shenanigans.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 10:34 am #
That is damning with faint praise as it puts the press in the same league as Wikipedia. Pretty good as long as the subject doesn’t contain a politically charged area. If it does then it’s “Katie bar the door”.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 10:49 am #
#30: People here had Obama/Biden bumberstickers on their cars, and admitted to donating money to him. They are NOT U.S. citizens.
Guess there are far more liberals than Democrats, eh?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 10:49 am #
Yes, perhaps geoffb. Let me quote James Taranto from this morning as a means of pointing to what it is I’m getting at:
What stands underneath all my arguments here is this fact: that we are all human beings, we share before everything else a common humanity. That when that plane crashed or the World Trade Towers went down, no-one stopped to think, oh good, some number of my political opposition died in that crash or died in that annihilating collapse.
There is a “still small voice” theory at work here. People don’t enjoy being galled by falsehoods forever, though they may choose to fool themselves for a little time. Nothing that the Obama administration can do will ultimately stop the truth about their efforts from seeing the light of day. Where those truths work to their benefit as good and welcome, well, cheers to them. Where on the contrary, those truths show them out as mean, corrupt, indecisive where they should be firm, foolish where they should be thoughtful, insincere where they should be open, incompetent and insistent in their incompetence where they have good advice to the contrary, then woe betide them.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 10:57 am #
Sorry, galled should have been “gulled”.
Comment by Charles on 10/21 @ 10:57 am #
I love how news organizations now think the most important topic to cover is – themselves.
In all seriousness, the “news” portion of Fox news is pretty good. The personalities have an obvious bias, but they’re supposed to. They’re entertainers, no different than Rush, or John Stewart, or Olbermann. It’s kind of sad that most Americans can’t tell the difference between journalism and entertainment, but then most American’s are still marveling at The Great 2009 Balloon Family Hoax.
Can we go back to only allowing land-owners to vote?
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 11:09 am #
sdferr, I agree with you on #48. However real life is calling and I have to step away from this for a few hours. My apologies for not being able to continue.
Comment by Bilwick1 on 10/21 @ 11:10 am #
“Liberals” (as we call State-socialists in 21at Cebtury America) hate FOX, and understandably so. If you know anything about “liberals” at all, and have observed how their networks (CBS, NBC, etc.), newspapers and news journals cover the conservative or libertarian side in any issue, you know if there’s one thing they hate, it’s biased news reporting!
Comment by Squid on 10/21 @ 11:20 am #
That when that plane crashed or the World Trade Towers went down, no-one stopped to think, oh good, some number of my political opposition died in that crash or died in that annihilating collapse.
Oh, I can think of some who went on the air saying that the terrorists should have bombed something a bit more red-state. I’m not naming names, but let’s just say that such sentiments won’t keep you from getting a prime seat next to Jimmy Carter…
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 11:34 am #
And everyone finds such a sentiment admirable because? I mean, we’re talking even his own political allies won’t give such nonsense the time of day. Which, when you think about it, kinda makes the point again, doesn’t it?
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/21 @ 11:41 am #
Awww, darleen….you aren’t gettin’ it.
FOX,Beck, Rush, all making vast quantities of dollars from the disenfranchisement of the GOP from the media.
Rahm is just doing the same thing he did with Rush…..making sure FOX is identified as the face of the GOP.
In a way, both FOX and Obama are stripping the rusted carcass of the GOP for parts.
The hardcore teabaggers go to FOX, the non-WEC republicans become independents.
Its a death spiral….the more FOX/Rush/Beck become the brand of the GOP, the more the GOP repells the demographics it need to stay viable…college-educated, youth, minorities.
And the more the party distills down to beckers, ditto-heads, teabaggers and WECs, the more power the base has.
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/21 @ 11:42 am #
Party purity FTW!
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 11:46 am #
Disenfranchisment?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 11:49 am #
Wehner : It’s the Media Intimidation, Stupid
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 11:50 am #
Orderlies! Pick up on Aisle Idiot !
Comment by Charles on 10/21 @ 11:52 am #
#53 – and another guy went on the air saying it was about time God finally punished us for tolerating homosexuals. He’s still being pandered to, because it doesn’t matter how egregious you are, if you can bring in some votes.
Comment by JHo on 10/21 @ 11:58 am #
StarFishi is a master of cartoon microcosms.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 11:58 am #
“…He’s still being pandered to…”
Again, in this case just as well, pandered to because of his foolish, ugly sentiments about 9-11, or in spite of them?
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 11:58 am #
Did that person get seated in a position of honor at a Republican convention, Charles?
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 12:00 pm #
“rusted carcass of the GOP” is nishibot’s new phrase.
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/21 @ 12:01 pm #
sdferr, the GOP is disenfranchised from media, academe, hollywood, pop-music culture and science right now.
FOX news and Brietbarts Big Government and talkradio are attempts to create an alternative conservative media……but it is only consumed by conservatives.
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/21 @ 12:03 pm #
I like it, Carin….it relly conveys.
;)
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 12:03 pm #
Disenfranchised?
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 12:08 pm #
conveys what? Carcasses don’t really rust. I mean, if you’re comparing the GOP to something biological. Like an elephant.
Cars rust, which would make it an appropriate metaphor for the Government’s relationship with the automobile industry now.
Ford may post profits this quarter. Chrysler? GM? Not so much.
Comment by DarthRove on 10/21 @ 12:09 pm #
Star? Here, Star! I’ve got a nummy-nummy treat for you, Star!
Damn, guess I’m not a good Starcaller.
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 12:10 pm #
sdferr, the GOP is disenfranchised from media, academe, hollywood, pop-music culture and science right now.
FOX news and Brietbarts Big Government and talkradio are attempts to create an alternative conservative media……but it is only consumed by conservatives.
Why, oh why, would liberals want to silence (because that is what they want to do) the only voices of dissension? Why would this effort be applauded by the likes of nishibot?
Comment by cranky-d on 10/21 @ 12:10 pm #
The assertion monkeys are stuck on stupid.
I just wanted to say “stuck on stupid.” Carry on.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 12:14 pm #
All of y’all are assholes.
Just let the man eat his waffle.
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 12:16 pm #
I am an asshole, Lamont. And I intend on continuing to be an asshole for the foreseeable future.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 12:20 pm #
And I intend on continuing to be an asshole for the foreseeable future.
Nothing attracts more voters to yur party like crazy and cranky!
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 12:21 pm #
Bzzzzzt! But thanks for playing.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 12:24 pm #
I knew you had that one in your bag of tricks Pablo, so lazy bastard that I am I didn’t bother looking for it. Thanks for coming through.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 12:24 pm #
FOX news and Brietbarts Big Government and talkradio are attempts to create an alternative conservative media……but it is only consumed by conservatives.
Ya think so?
To quote Richard Dawson; “Survey Says”!?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 12:26 pm #
Shit. Pablo beat me to the dance.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:29 pm #
“#Comment by Eben on 10/21 @ 10:30 am #
I see snotcone’s back to his ‘monkey throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks’ shenanigans.”
It’s all he’s got.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 12:32 pm #
Different points, LYBD. It’s all good. As is this link in the Rasmussen piece.
Imagine Harry Reid and Chris Dodd getting tossed out on their ears, and Baracky’s old Senate seat turning red. Obama would make another piece of history: fastest time to lame duckhood.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 12:36 pm #
Question: Why, in light of Pablo’s dispositive link, would Kate want to proudly display her ignorance here again? Does she think she’s persuasive thereby?
On a related but similar tack, I’m not very familiar with this Michael Wolff fellow’s work, though I’ve seen him on tv here and there over the years, understand that he writes for Vanity Fair these days but readily confess I don’t read it. What I wonder is this, does anyone know of something in his oeuvre, books, magazine articles, newspaper pieces or whatever else that stands out as smart, as something that really says something important and true, something everyone ought to read?
Comment by A simple mind on 10/21 @ 12:37 pm #
#’s 30 and 47: I do not live in the U.S. They expected something for their donations. Think further left than “liberal”. Entiende? Kapiche?
#50 “I love how news organizations now think the most important topic to cover is – themselves.” Shoe, fit, wear and all that.
Good morning Charles. Wrt yesterday; You don’t work for free; I don’t work for free. Do you wish to compensate me for my analysis regarding that situation with some likely outcomes and solutions? I thought not. You stated you are all about the low cost, good luck with that.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:38 pm #
“Imagine Harry Reid and Chris Dodd getting tossed out on their ears, and Baracky’s old Senate seat turning red. Obama would make another piece of history: fastest time to lame duckhood.”
-13%
Think about that.
From stratospheric approval numbers to -13% in, what, 9 months?
What a pitiful failure Obama really is.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 12:39 pm #
In Kate’s damaged little mind, repetition = perception = reality.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 12:40 pm #
Ya think so?
Fox news is watched by fewer than 1% of Americans.
If some normal people watch it too, that puts the percentage of Americans who are conservatives somewhere south of 1%.
Sounds about right.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:41 pm #
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 12:40 pm #
So, what was your MOS?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:42 pm #
“Fox news is watched by fewer than 1% of Americans.”
That unimportant, eh? Then why is the President and his gang of fascist thugs attacking them, snowtard?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 12:45 pm #
I enjoy watching the Right wee wee itself when somebody bothers to push back against their craziness.
Same reason Obama took a poke at Fatty Limbaugh…to make Glenn Beck the new face (and defacto leader) of the Republican party, Brain.
Comment by Eben on 10/21 @ 12:46 pm #
Sounds about right.
Only to a shit throwing monkey.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 12:46 pm #
Yes, yellowsnow/alphie/Neville/parsnip/sniffles/gibbering idiot, 1% of the public is conservative. 99% is liberal. How do you manage to remember to breathe?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 12:50 pm #
I intend on continuing to be an asshole for the foreseeable future.
Well turn that fucker up to 11 girl & let ‘er rip.
But keep some in the gas tank for November 2010.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:52 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 12:45 pm #
I enjoy watching the Right wee wee itself when somebody bothers to push back against their craziness.”
What craziness, snowtard?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:53 pm #
Oh, and snowtard, what was your MOS?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 12:54 pm #
Press trust/distrust thingamabob. With glancing attention to viewership numbers.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 12:55 pm #
-13% approval ratings for Teh Won™, snowtard, that sort of craziness?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 12:57 pm #
“Fox news is watched by fewer than 1% of Americans.”
By that super genius ratings math, the rest of the Networks are in fucking negative digits.
So…uh…who’s watching CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, & MSNBC?
Dead people?
Is Nielsen hooked up with ACORN?
Stop breathing snowcone. You’re wasting good air.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 12:58 pm #
Barcky and alphie/snotnose really like saying wee-wee.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 1:00 pm #
Not just saying it.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:06 pm #
Spengler on Obama’s absenteeism:
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:09 pm #
N.O’Brain – Bathes in it, likely.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 1:10 pm #
Oh dear.
Panic at the disco.
Having Obama at your political fundraiser is now the equivalent of hiring the band Great White to bring fireworks and play at your shitty Rhode Island bar.
Comment by TaiChiWawa on 10/21 @ 1:13 pm #
The time for talk is over. It’s time to sing. Now everybody — “Mmmmm-mmmmm-mmmm…”
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:22 pm #
Pak fight:
That’ll get everyone in Pakistan’s attention, I reckon.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:22 pm #
TaiChi – Is that to the tune of one of the Crash-test Dummies songs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q91_kcx3no
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 1:23 pm #
sdferr,
I feel safe in saying Obama votes “present” on all Spengler’s points, and the State Department will be all but neutered and forced to vote present as well.
If Israeli/ Indian/ Saudi HUMINT combined declare the Taliban within 5,000 yards of a Pakistani silo, who launches first? Israel or India?
One way or another you know that scenario is coming.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:27 pm #
India.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:27 pm #
FWIW – I cannot think of a musician/singer whose voice so drastically does not match his appearance. His voice is simply incongruous with his look. Guilty pleasure, they are.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:29 pm #
And Iran? Though they haven’t the nukes yet, it’s got to give them bigtime hebbiejeebies, ’specially after last weekend’s bombing of their IRGC meetup.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:33 pm #
This is a good one too …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNzCiZwk28&feature=related
Sorry, back on topic …
Michael Wolff is a poofter.
Comment by Makewi on 10/21 @ 1:33 pm #
For snowcone
Last time Conservatives had this large a margin vs Moderates the Dems took quite a beating in the election.
Comment by TheGeezer on 10/21 @ 1:34 pm #
Wait.
Darleen.
Hey, my net connection went completely down for about four hours. Here’s your shovel back. Thank-you.
Especially if is only 1 frigging percent of all America (sic)? Libs must really hate dissent (teh highest form of patriotism, eh?).
Comment by Barney Frank on 10/21 @ 1:40 pm #
We are not quite ready for that, yet.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 1:41 pm #
First, GOP does not equal Conservative, see the NY race happening now. GOP can be the beneficiary of Conservatives if they get their head out of the RINO nether regions.
On the other groups mentioned you are making assumptions based on evidence that is massaged by political hopes and dreams. Believing your own hype has only one end and it is not a good one.
But please, please, throw Fox News and all Conservatives into that briar-patch and let all who wish, grab the offering that Obama is placing out for them. It is similar to one in a different story by the same author.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:42 pm #
I am not a particular fan of Judd Gregg in general, but he is really good on healthcare.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 1:43 pm #
I agree. Pakistan and India have had borderline war rumbles that make the Cuban Missile Crisis look like an episode of The Office.
I still can’t figure that IRGC bombing. Left over election protesters (with murdered family members), good for the goose/ good for the gander jihad? Inside job that the mullahs then pointed at the protesters/ demonstrators to excuse a further round up? That would explain the “Western/ US” finger pointing crap. There was a former CIA supported group linked, but I don’t know.
Even Michael Rubin doesn’t have the rub.
Comment by mcgruder on 10/21 @ 1:44 pm #
Michael Wolff is a decent guy, ive talked to and met him a few times, and I worked with his daughter, who though sweet, is no reporter.
hes done good work on big picture media stuff, the moguls et al., and calls a spade a spade.
on this, i think he was trying to piss off Fox, since they went after him for an occasionally–yet entirely truthful–unflattering book he wrote on Rupert Murdoch. Trust me, he nailed it.
Having worked at the NY Post, I can tell you that the rightward tilt of Fox is 100% intentional, and that the corporation exists to support and pursue Rupert’s agenda.
So there is a backstory to this is all.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:48 pm #
The Iranian government put about a story that held that the Americans were responsible for the suicide bombing:
Personally, I believe that the Iranians believe this piece of propagandistic fluff about as much as snowcone believes the bullshit he spouts all day every day. Hell no they don’t. If they have uncertainty as to who and what caused the bombing they are busting their asses rounding up anyone and everyone that can be tortured into telling them the truth about it. How would we suppose a tyrannical regime would do anything else?
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:49 pm #
Thanks for piping up Mcgruder. I’d not heard of his book on Murdoch or if I had, had forgotten it. Thanks again.
Comment by B Moe on 10/21 @ 1:54 pm #
Too bad nobody saw fit to mention before now.
Comment by cranky-d on 10/21 @ 1:56 pm #
Whatever backstory there might be, it does not excuse Wolff’s assertion-monkeyness. A lot of people are “decent guys” but still full of idiotic opinions that they will spew as facts. If he wishes to discredit himself, that is of course his business. But discredit himself he has.
Comment by Barney Frank on 10/21 @ 1:56 pm #
How about limiting the voting franchise to those who engage in certain sexual practices?
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 1:57 pm #
He is a regular on Olbergasm’s show, which does not discredit him on its own. His own words do that quite nicely.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 1:58 pm #
This is a puzzle, though I’ve only just started reading about it. Still:
Comment by McGehee on 10/21 @ 2:09 pm #
I think I’ll just second cranky-d.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 2:12 pm #
If they have uncertainty as to who and what caused the bombing they are busting their asses rounding up anyone and everyone that can be tortured into telling them the truth about it. How would we suppose a tyrannical regime would do anything else?
Well…for Ahmadinnerjacket’s sake I hope it wasn’t a bunch of gay dudes.
That would be embarrassing.
Them “not existing” in Iran and all.
Speaking of (non existing stuff, not gay dudes), has anybody got their free Unicorn in the mail from Obama?
No?
Shit.
Haven’t seen gas or rent money either.
You promised during the campaign ‘Bammy!
When do the seas get lower?
Gonna get me some lobster & crab.
Wait. Do I have to be Union for the “sea lowering” perks?
There’s gonna be a tax on my seafood isn’t there?
Comment by DarthRove on 10/21 @ 2:13 pm #
Does Patterico think Wolff is a “good man”? He’s the touchstone for that assessment, I think.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/21 @ 2:14 pm #
Having worked at the NY Post, I can tell you that the rightward tilt of Fox is 100% intentional, and that the corporation exists to support and pursue Rupert’s agenda.
I got no problem with that, given the leftward tilt in 90% of the rest of the media — a tilt far more dangerous because the “journos” have so little self-awareness they view themselves as unbiased (except for what’s good and right).
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 2:16 pm #
-13% approval rating
That’s just Rasmussen’s phony approval “index” Brain.
For wingnut consumption only.
Do try to keep up.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 2:24 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 2:16 pm #
-13% approval rating
That’s just Rasmussen’s phony approval “index” Brain.”
Phony.
Prove it, assertion monkey.
BTW, what was your MOS?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 2:24 pm #
-13%
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 2:26 pm #
The feces-flingin’ monkeyboy is nothing if not consistent. Maybe SemenKKKleo will come join its buddy alphie.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 2:29 pm #
Barack Obama Is a Terrible Bore by M. Wolff:
The Power and the Story by M. Wolff:
Obama Makes Afghanistan His War — Go Barack! by M. Wolff:
Comment by Pepi on 10/21 @ 2:47 pm #
Considering who the republican party has been endorsing lately, maybe it’s time for a real conservative third party. Instead a donkey (ass) or an elephant, the new party should have a red fox as its signature animal.
Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 2:50 pm #
http://www.breitbart.tv/breaking-acorn-sting-team-releases-new-video-from-philadelphia-office/
The video Joe linked to above seems to be working now. Due to the glacial internet speed here it is still loading for me.
Your assignment should you choose to accept is to watch the video and provide a summary report. Oh and anyone that successfully prompts a response from Snowblower on the ONE. DAY. STORY. will be honored as the PW thread king.
If the video is slow or unavailable the following story should provide plenty of Snow melting material Hint: John Kerry would be so proud
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 2:59 pm #
I guess we should blame Bush for this.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 3:01 pm #
Danger – This one is going to leave a mark. Thanks for the heads up.
Comment by RD on 10/21 @ 3:06 pm #
No doubt there is a Rasmussen poll which ‘proves’ the exact inverse.
That seems kind of optimistic. The Club For Growth has been killing off the more promising ones faster than you say “herding cats”.
Admittedly, there has been some speculation as to which one of your ‘vastly more conservative’ heroes will inevitably become our new Commander In Chief in 2012.
My money’s on Glenn Beck.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 3:12 pm #
RD – when you say “my money”, don’t you mean, some other actual taxpayer’s money?
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 3:15 pm #
Danger
ACORN lied, and…let’s change the subject Fox News is now on the White House Enemies List and oh yeah…Federal Funding for ACORN died (well maybe but maybe not if the White House can change the subject to how bad Fox is).
Hmmmmmm, I wonder if there are any more ACORN videos?
Comment by Makewi on 10/21 @ 3:23 pm #
new Commander In Chief in 2012
Jeb Bush. Just for the freak out factor.
Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 3:25 pm #
Well I watched the video and the audio has several breaks in it but the full unedited version will be released soon.
There was one especially noteworthy quote from the video via Katherine Russell: “Mr Brietbart will not be showing the video of their visit here on his website” Heh!
Cmon Snowcone,
Make me a king (a threadking;)
Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 3:29 pm #
Joe,
Snowcone is not the only one that can play that game. From the Second story I linked:
WARSAW — The Obama administration reached a new agreement Wednesday with top Polish government officials to place a new generation of missile interceptors on Polish soil, a surprising turnabout from just a few weeks earlier when it appeared the United States was ready to abandon its missile defense program in Eastern Europe.
Can you say flip-flop? I knew that you could!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 3:36 pm #
“Comment by Makewi on 10/21 @ 3:23 pm #
new Commander In Chief in 2012
Jeb Bush. Just for the freak out factor.”
HA!
Comment by cranky-d on 10/21 @ 4:01 pm #
Our presidents “promises” are having a shorter and shorter shelf life. However, if he keeps flipping in the correct direction (i.e. the way I think it should go) then I will give him at least grudging respect. Agreeing to deploy missile defence to Poland after all? Great. Not bugging out of IRAQ when he said before that he would? Great. Now, if he will agree to deploy the troops he agreed to deploy to Afganistan, he’ll get another “Great” from me.
Again, trollish ones, I don’t hate the president, I’m just not particularly thrilled (to say the least) with most his policy decisions so far. I save all the energy that hating someone requires for very special occasions. No politicians need apply. Just like with Palin, I was very happy to see her join the race, and I did get excited about the potential for some change that I can believe in, but she would have been just as subject to my scrutiny, and my criticism, once elected, as any other politician. None of them deserve my worship or my hate.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 4:11 pm #
At the bottom of the Amazon page on Wolff’s book is an interview with him.
Comment by ghost707 on 10/21 @ 4:11 pm #
Looks like HHS will also be on Obama’s lengthy (and growing) enemies list.
Maybe it would be easier if he had a friend list instead – much shorter.
The self-destruction continues apace of the most awesomess administration EVAH!
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 4:16 pm #
obama’s the one
Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 4:22 pm #
RD,
Put down the time-capsule quotes; we are talking falling ACORNS and flip-flops now. Please try and keep up.
Comment by McGehee on 10/21 @ 4:23 pm #
Newrouter, at first that looked to me like a target instead of a record.
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 4:35 pm #
@150
is does have that bullet in the temple look
Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 4:42 pm #
Well apparently I’ve created a real example of global warming here because Snowcone seems to have melted.
Perhaps it will be back once the ONE. DAY. STORY. is over.
Good night all.
And
Keep
Firing
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 4:44 pm #
Godspeed, Danger.
Comment by SBP on 10/21 @ 5:00 pm #
Ah, nothing like seeing Rilly Dumb in the sidebar, then seeing nothing but “(Trollhammered)” in here.
P.S. to Rilly: it is now Wednesday evening. Business hours are over for those of us who aren’t on the West Coast, even if you personally have to pull the graveyard shift at 7-11 tonight.
Just thought you might like to know.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 5:05 pm #
Cheney’s tough speech delivered to the Center for Security Policy tonight. The finish:
Comment by serr8d on 10/21 @ 5:32 pm #
Ahhhh, yes, working hours are over for a while, SBP. But the real work still needs doing: loyal opposition to the likes of the party favored by starry-eyed child-minded dreamster nishi and the other related snotnosed lefty punks. Any party that’s called to and favored by them is not one I’d be at party with.
Now, on what channel is this FOX of which you speak? I suppose I should watch some of it, if Obama disapproves.
Comment by Neo on 10/21 @ 5:35 pm #
I realize that in the rarified air of DC, there are only Democrats and Republicans, but once you get off federal property you find that there is a large uncharted area in between the two .. they are are called independents, and they happen to outnumber Democrats and Republicans (but not the two combined).
That said, when FoxNews doesn’t toe the Democratic Party line, it doesn’t mean that it is a Republican organization.
Obama, Rahm-adong-a-ding-dong, and Axel Foley ought to start to realize that it won’t be the Republicans who come with those “pitchforks” (Obama defended Wall Street) as much as it will be the independents coming for their skins.. some ready to send them to Gitmo .. when the next election rolls around.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 5:36 pm #
Unlike Snowcone, I can thank the President for doing the right thing, even if he acted like a dumbass getting there. I am not so partisan that I am going to criticize him for realizing he made a mistake and correcting it. Perhaps the Poles and other Eastern Europeans explained to the State Department and White House why his first unilateral pull back decision was a terrible idea. If so, great. Unfortunately, I am not sure he is really correcting this one yet.
As another President said, “trust but verify…”
Comment by RD on 10/21 @ 6:01 pm #
I appreciate the update SPB.
It must be tough being an educator these days, what with all these ’socialist indoctrination’ stereotypes being bandied about.
Hopefully, you’re not a unionist.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 6:30 pm #
OT:
This seems like a lot of trouble to go to over someone that has been declared completely irrelevant and so, so dead to real politics.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 6:42 pm #
Apparently Tommy Smothers yelled at Penn Gilette for going on Glenn Beck. I could not watch the youtube because it is running too slow. But it does show just what anti speech assholes some on the left are.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 6:44 pm #
From sdferr’s links in #132 it would seem that M. Wolff can be critical of Obama. Critical when it appears to Mr. Wolff that Obama is not being helpful to the cause. The “Great Progressive Cause” and it’s march to absolute power is his touchstone in all things written.
He can be a somewhat useful reviewer once you know what makes his world go round. Don’t have to agree with a writer to extract information, just need to know how they swing, and if they are honest about it.
Thanks for the links.
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 6:52 pm #
@162
had the same experience with youtube. penn seemed upset though. the religious left are crazy
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 7:05 pm #
MSNBC shows it is a nice doggy and will roll over anytime Obama needs. From Ace,
Comment by guinsPen on 10/21 @ 7:07 pm #
Big Bother is watching.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/21 @ 7:12 pm #
Reporter.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 7:14 pm #
Report-her.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/21 @ 7:17 pm #
Mom always liked your breast!
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:24 pm #
geoffb, the middle Wolff link of the three, The Power and the Story, tends to strongly buttress the point I’ve been pursuing, in fact. Wolff may not choose to be read this way but I think the implication of his article is that behind Barry’s success is nothing other than, nothing less than and the clincher for me, nothing more than the utility of the press as the aide-de-camp par excellence in the promotion of the story (empty as it is) of Barack Obama, lord of all he surveys. Once the press leaves his side, he’s toast. And they all in Obama’s political coterie, as Wolff strongly hints, they all know it. Hence their motivation in this instance. I just happened to catch Karl Rove talking to Hannity a few minutes ago and find that he too senses precisely this about the White Houses’ motive. They must reinforce the discipline in their media, else they’re screwed. And he too doesn’t see it working in the long run. He’s saying, “Just give it time.”
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/21 @ 7:24 pm #
142.Comment by Danger on 10/21 @ 3:29 pm #
That seems to be an Obama Administration trait when it comes the (former) War on Terror – and other national security policies. Denounce the prior administration and then quietly go ahead and do what the prior administration was going to do. If there was some way of sneaking 20,000 soldiers and marines into Afghanistan they would be there now.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/21 @ 7:26 pm #
[whomever], is no reporter.
An higher tribute to be paid?
I daresay, “nope.”
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 7:28 pm #
PMSNBC.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:29 pm #
From what we learned tonight about the study last Sept-Oct, Petraeus’ involvement, Gates’ involvement and many others not yet named Mikey, I’d say the revulsion behind the scenes right now in the DoD must be at an all time high for the last many years, worse probably, than was rumored to entrained behind the Clinton admin.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:29 pm #
to be entrained, sorry
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 7:30 pm #
“MSNBC shows it is a nice doggy ”
have you seen beck’s lapdog? cute. he may get a nyt sweater for the dog
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 7:30 pm #
Mika Brezinksy, fair and balanced.
Not.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 7:38 pm #
This part of that piece stood out to me.
It has, so I understood, always been in the past that the Press secretary was kept away from things that ought not be revealed so that they wouldn’t have to lie and deny but could say they didn’t know and be truthful in it. Like “Tom Hagen” in “The Godfather”, there would be things they should not know about. If Gibbs is in on all, then that is different. What it means and how that plays out I don’t know. Different though.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/21 @ 7:39 pm #
159.Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 5:36 pm #
There is also the possibility that Vlad Putin publicly humiliated a thin-skinned man,and this is the reaction. IIRC, the Obama Administration agreed not to put missile-defense in Eastern Europe in exchange for Russian assistance with Iran. Russia decided not to help with Iran, so the response by the Obama Administration should be…?
Put missile defense in Eastern Europe.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 7:41 pm #
Mika Brezinksy, fair and balanced lap dog.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:42 pm #
Where Wolff and I would most disagree, I think, is where he says “Indeed, The New York Times, and the rest of the established press, needs Barack Obama a lot more than he needs them.” Wolff can only think this insofar as he thinks that there is in fact some substance to Barack Obama where I see no evidence of substance whatsoever. Wolff, however, doesn’t seem to me too concerned with the substance as as matter of course, but rather, with what he himself calls process first and foremost.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 7:46 pm #
Re: #179 Mikey NTH
But the Chicago way is “they bring a knife you bring a gun”, so where is the gun? They just brought out the same knife.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 7:52 pm #
Why is that geoffb? I mean, I think you are right that Obama hasn’t the Chicago style in his foreign affairs dealings, save in some small way with Honduras and Israel, though he seems to have backtracked on the latter already and is in process of backtracking on the former. But why again, I ask, does he seem to find it easier to stiff-arm, if not backstab, his own countrymen but finds himself incapable of hard dealing with clear adversaries, even perfectly certain enemies?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/21 @ 8:01 pm #
Snowcone is not the only one that can play that game. From the Second story I linked:
Yawn.
The Poles lose their Cadillac and Obama offers them a Hyundai instead.
Which they accept because it’s free money from the taxpayers of America.
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:02 pm #
My god, you people are relentlessly persecuted. Can you climb out of the victim bin long enough to engage the rest of the population?
Comment by guinsPen on 10/21 @ 8:04 pm #
First, wash your hands.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:08 pm #
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:02 pm #
cynn climbed out of the wine vat to take a piss.
Again.
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:09 pm #
No, you wash yours. You’re dirtier.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 8:09 pm #
I was anticipating salvation, cynn. This Messiah sucks.
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:11 pm #
No Brain, at least I’m not climbing out of the outhouse.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 8:12 pm #
Worse yet, it’s a no-stabby knife.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:13 pm #
“Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:11 pm #
No Brain, at least I’m not climbing out of the outhouse.”
But I’m not diving back into the wine vat.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 8:13 pm #
Glenn Beck is gonna be pissed.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:13 pm #
Sheesh, the Brits never heard of a grinder?
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:14 pm #
Pablo: You weren’t anticipating anything. You shorted this presidency, and it’s my hope you lose big time.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:14 pm #
And I found a diamond ring down there.
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:16 pm #
Can we all agree that NoBrain is without a brain?
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 8:17 pm #
dick cheney fucks with the o!
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 8:18 pm #
liz c. is firing from the right
Comment by newrouter on 10/21 @ 8:19 pm #
the good ship O! is sinking
Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:21 pm #
…and now we have the chorus. You guys get the classical tropes, for shizzle.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 8:29 pm #
“Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:16 pm #
Can we all agree that NoBrain is without a brain?”
Can we all agree that cynn is without sobriety?
Comment by Frontman on 10/21 @ 8:31 pm #
Pablo, have you been shortin’ again?
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 8:40 pm #
Your/my “clear adversaries, even perfectly certain enemies” are not clearly or certainly his. My belief/thought is he is doing the “hard dealing” with his perceived enemies. Actions speak where words are silent.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:43 pm #
“clear adversaries, even perfectly certain enemies” are not clearly or certainly his.”
If that were all there is to it, why does he even bother to send Biden to Eastern Europe?
I wonder if it’s merely that he better understands the risks in his domestic dealings? That he knows what his cards are and how they will fall here at home, he knows what it is he has to hold over the heads of people he’s threatening and how they will react, whereas the uncertainties of the international contest make him fearful to act, fearful to threaten someone who may react in ways that can rapidly get out of hand for all and sundry? Is he a petty bully who will only attack the weak and is fearful of the unknown equal?
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 8:45 pm #
I bet the “no-stabby” knife in the hands of the al Queda would cut off heads just fine.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 8:46 pm #
Oh God, no. He’s unelectable. But I suspect he’ll have something to say, assuming he’s still allowed to speak.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 8:48 pm #
Oh, I am so busted. But wasn’t I supposed to be saved anyway, cynn?
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 8:48 pm #
I think he is he sees foreign policy as a holding action until he can clear the board of his domestic enemies. No two fronts for this iteration of the fascist mindset.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:51 pm #
This makes him look like the puppy on his back hoping against hope the big dog doesn’t bite his neck in twain.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:52 pm #
Put another way, he looks like an abject pussy.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/21 @ 8:55 pm #
182.Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 7:46 pm #
What other weapon is there? Can’t admit that they were humiliated, can they? Just quietly reverse course, and if Putin wants to admit that he got the missile installations delayed by a few months by playing games with the Obama Administration he can do so – but what does that do to his reputation? “Oh! You got them to delay by a few months! Wonderful! How are you going to get them to stop now that they know you will just play games without an actual way to stop them?”
Comment by SBP on 10/21 @ 8:56 pm #
Can you climb out of the victim bin long enough to engage the rest of the population?
You bought Blowbama and his filibuster-proof majority, cynn.
You own them.
Take some personal responsibility for once in your life, eh?
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 8:57 pm #
So he brings the “no-stabby” knife and Russia goes and accuses him of carrying a machine gun under his coat.
Comment by sdferr on 10/21 @ 8:59 pm #
“What other weapon is there?”
There are scads of alternative weapons, not to mention actually returning to the deal he’d abdicated, which he hasn’t done. He simply hasn’t the will to look for one, let alone use it.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 9:00 pm #
Mikey, commentary and the Russians beat me to it but I figured the gun would be putting US forces in Georgia as a tripwire.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 10/21 @ 9:25 pm #
“My god, you people are relentlessly persecuted.”
I know, right?
Personally, I think I’m persecuted because I’m conservative.
And a raging lesbian.
Comment by Joe on 10/21 @ 9:50 pm #
Mika Brezinksy, fair and balanced…scientifically improved boobies. They are a work releated expense and a tax write off to boot.
Comment by ghost707 on 10/21 @ 9:51 pm #
sdferr,
You always say it better than I ever could.
So I will just say bravo!
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 11:00 pm #
Ace with more evidence to support sdferr’s argument above and in comment #15.
Comment by takeshi kovacs on 10/21 @ 11:16 pm #
General Makarov, will make them reconsider once more
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 11:26 pm #
General Makarov The 9 gram man.
Comment by ghost707 on 10/21 @ 11:30 pm #
“There is no train wreck here that I can see….” states the pretty reporter lady standing amongst the burning wreckage of freight and gasoline tanker cars, her shoes melting from the heat and her face brightly lit from the flames.
Comment by Rusty on 10/22 @ 5:20 am #
195.Comment by cynn on 10/21 @ 8:14 pm #
Pablo: You weren’t anticipating anything. You shorted this presidency, and it’s my hope you lose big time.
Not so much. The guy you voted in is doing it pretty much on his own. The majority of americans agree with me. But by all means defend him. It’s amusing to watch.
Comment by Darleen on 10/22 @ 7:34 am #
You may all note there was no trackback here but SEK does link here and, rewrites my opening sentence and riffs on things that are never asserted in this post.
http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/10/because-being-ignored-is-the-exact-same-thing-as-being-muzzled.html
what the fuck is wrong with Scott?
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 7:36 am #
Karl Rove in the WSJ this morning, comments on the Obama administration’s “dithering” about its Afghanistan strategy decisions:
I’m beginning to wonder whether they have the least bit of worry about drawing the fury of the left or losing the left’s support at all? What, I wonder, if far from worrying that this could be the case, what if Mr Emanuel and Mr Axelrod are intent on driving the left into a frenzy intentionally? To create an uproar on the left, in part, based on the ease with which, in the early days of the Administration, we have just learned that Pres. Obama had accepted as wise the policy recommendations of the outgoing Bush administration and as of March was prepared to seriously implement them? Mr Emanuel may have calculated that in telling his lie about the former administration last Sunday — “Rahm Emanuel said President Obama is now asking tough questions about Afghanistan “that have never been asked on the civilian side, the political side, the military side and the strategic side.” — he would necessarily provoke the response of Mr Cheney last night, who could be expected to reveal the hidden truth, that the Obama policy announced in March was, as Bill Kristol put it, a “cut and paste job” of the strategy formulated in Sept-Oct of 2008.
Perhaps, for Axlerod and Emanuel, it is no matter, politically speaking, that the strategy had been crafted by Gen Petraeus and other military advisors, but that for political purposes it could be hung on the names Bush/Cheney and again, strictly as a political creature and not on the merits, could be discredited by means of the befouling unpopularity of the named?
Comment by JD on 10/22 @ 7:57 am #
Darleen – You are a better person than I, as I refuse to even read his drivel any longer.
Comment by JD on 10/22 @ 7:58 am #
sdferr – It seems readily apparent that political considerations trump all with these people.
Comment by Pablo on 10/22 @ 8:02 am #
He’s a progressive.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 8:06 am #
Seems is a good choice JD, if only because the ends they have in mind are so dim to you and I. We just don’t have those ends ready at hand, whereby to understand what the political manipulations (means) are undertaken to achieve. I don’t doubt, however, that Emanuel and Axlerod, and with them Pres. Obama do have such ends held in obscurity to us though known to them. The difficult part is winkling them out from the crumbs of clues we do have.
Comment by JD on 10/22 @ 8:11 am #
The means wold not bother me nearly as much if I thought that they had the right end in mind. But clearly, they do not.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 8:15 am #
Jen Rubin, in the case of Obama’s political advisors, this morning says incorrectly “We do, after all, have a war to win.” You’re right JD, “clearly, they do not.” They have something else in mind altogether.
Comment by JD on 10/22 @ 8:18 am #
sdferr – The only way that they can say things like that without their heads assploding is that they consider quitting to be a win.
Comment by McGehee on 10/22 @ 8:33 am #
What isn’t?
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 9:01 am #
From Carin’s link to ChicagoBoyz this morning:
I think we can use this insight. Let’s flip it around to examine our own pre-dispositions an preconceptions as well. The case of Cheney vs the Obama White House on Afghanistan may be as good an instance to examine as any. To which end, may I recommend perusing the comment section at HotAir’s post on the subject.
What do the good folks there seem to take for granted? For one, it seems to me, that Cheney has taken them to the woodshed and “whupped their ass”. But has he? Has Obama conceded the issue by acceding to Gen McChrystal’s request? Will he, if not yet, necessarily do so? I don’t see that. He may. He may not. The issue isn’t over. But what then, was Emanuel up to if he would so obviously get his butt “whupped” so easily buy Cheney’s rebuttal?
People seem to take it for granted that Emanuel and Axlerod are simply stupid or simply don’t know what they are doing. That ain’t the way.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 9:56 am #
Kristol on the motive (in part, and certainly not fleshed out):
The question is, does Emanuel fear a parallel to Vietnam coming on unbidden and unstoppable? Or does he wish to create a parallel to Vietnam, and if so, to what end?
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 11:17 am #
Obama:
The lie: “But it’s not something I’m losing a lot of sleep over.” Pay attention. He’s admitting he is panicked. This is a battle he cannot lose.
Comment by McGehee on 10/22 @ 11:28 am #
…I think is what you mean.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 11:36 am #
Exactly right McGehee, my expression was clumsy at best, yours right on the money.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 1:59 pm #
One democrat fellow’s response to Cheney. And the White House’s response.
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 2:09 pm #
Peter Feaver analyzes the Obama Afghanistan quandry:
And reminds us of a crucial development along the way:
Comment by sdferr on 10/22 @ 2:40 pm #
Feaver, from back in March.
So how can it have the time to work when:
1) Obama sets his political advisors loose on the public to bad mouth it 24/7?
2) Obama commits nearly zero time rallying the American people to it?
3) Obama commits nearly zero political capital to building support for the strategy?
4) Obama evidently reverses his own prior decisions amid-stream (Coin/not-Coin)?
5) Obama can’t bring himself to a timely decision post-reversal?
All that seems rather like a plan to cause a failure rather than to avoid one.
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/22 @ 2:53 pm #
I think it very probable that the Bush admin funded Jundallah.
Stupid conservatives.
The enemy of your enemy is still a Reaver.
Comment by charles austin on 10/22 @ 3:31 pm #
The Avatar of the New Enlightenment says: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Unless you work for Fox. (With apologies to François-Marie Arouet.)
Comment by Starcaller Nishi on 10/22 @ 9:29 pm #
Why should FOX get equal time and respect?
The Christian Broadcast Network doesn’t get invited to WH pressers either.
FOX is the WEC Network…..WECs are all that are left in the GOP……and mormons I guess.
;)
Comment by the Stars on 10/23 @ 3:30 am #
Can any of you guys get this crazy fucking stalker bitch to leave us alone?
Comment by McGehee on 10/23 @ 7:30 am #
Stars, the best we’ve been able to come up with is, don’t play “Misty” for her.
Comment by Random Star on 10/23 @ 7:57 am #
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I beg your pardon?
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No, ‘zono, I will not tell you what color panties I’m wearing.