From Congress.org:
In the coming weeks, the Senate will consider overhauling the way student loans are handled in the United States.
The House has already passed legislation that would put the federal government directly in charge of making loans.
But last year’s recession played a pivotal role in pushing this initiative forward. As lending markets froze up in 2008, the government intervened with the “Ensuring Continued Access to Student Loans Act” (ECASLA) — a government promise, effectively, to buy loans off of lenders after four months in order to keep capital flowing through the system.
The House voted 253-171 on Sept. 17 to pass the bill.
When the prior, fundamental principle is finally abandoned, anything’s possible.
Comment by Joe on 10/20 @ 3:05 pm #
I understand politically why this is happening with student loans, but it is still a bad precedent.
And I have to give Tapper kudos for taking this issue on with the White House. Tapper is smart enough to realize that if the White House can delegitimize Fox, it can delegitimize any “news organization.”
Comment by Tamashaw Moofers on 10/20 @ 3:35 pm #
, “anything’s possible.”
One of the possible chain reactions cited was ‘cascading failure’, as in
failure of the electrical grid. Why you folks were busy championing the de-taxing and deregulation of America, all that infrastructure built in the 30’s and 40’s (highways and dams and such) promulgated by the Roosevelt Administration was followed by a sense of unreality about what our priorities should be as we fiddled with reinvesting in the basics of daily living.
Student loans could be counted in that equation, as it pertains to building a proper foundation for the future.
As a consequence, of failing to keep our electrical grid viable, we are going to need all the technicians and engineers we can lay our hands on when household appliances brown-out, or are consigned to operating on a Baghdad, one-hour per day schedule. Try to look a little deeper than the surface of fiscal responsibility.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 3:40 pm #
I just love pompous, arrogant, pedantic asshat drive-bys. The army of strawmen propped up and razed, coupled with the odd non-sequiters was impressive though.
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 3:56 pm #
Let’s hope the feds make sure that lenders are forced to give loans to students who have almost no chance of repaying them. Then the legislation would be perfect.
Just asking, is there a reason why colleges that are competing for students, or banks that are competing for customers, couldn’t be making these loans instead of the Feds?
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 4:00 pm #
Rent-Seekers Seek Where the Money Is
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 4:09 pm #
#2 if we’re going to use tax dollars invest in college students, could we at least do it base on (1) their likely ability to repay, and (2) their likely ability to contribute to US GDP? A start might be using aptitude, rather than need, as a qualifier.
Comment by Joe on 10/20 @ 4:16 pm #
Holy Shit, Charles is starting to make sense! Did I get high or something?
Acutally it is really hard to get out of paying student loans. It is hard to dump them even in bankruptcy. You basically have to die or go into somesort of vegetative state to get out of them.
The problem with student loans is they have encouraged colleges and universities to greatly raise their tuitions far faster than inflation. It is a false market. Wouldn’t students be better off with schools that cost less and thus having less debt when they got out of school? You can still offer programs for expensive degrees such as medicine.
Comment by B Moe on 10/20 @ 4:18 pm #
I would like to know why these colleges can’t just lower their fucking rates if too many people are having trouble paying them.
Comment by Joe on 10/20 @ 4:19 pm #
B Moe, becuase…well just because. They have to keep maintaining those six figure (and in some cases seven figure) salaries to the administration.
Comment by SDN on 10/20 @ 4:23 pm #
#2: Of course, the electricity market in the US is pretty close to a POLAR OPPOSITE from a free and unregulated market. In most states (TX being an exception) there is one electricity provider. In all states, the number of providers and how they operate are under the control of state government utility commissions, heavily modified by Federal government (Energy Dept, EPA, etc., ad nauseam) regulators.
Meet the Trollhammer.
Comment by B Moe on 10/20 @ 4:24 pm #
I live in a college town, trust me I know how it works. I also get a lot of work because of the college, so I really can’t bitch too much. Although I suspect private industry would be doing better if it weren’t for the ridiculous tax load.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 4:25 pm #
Charles made sense on military welfare, actually, such as it may be. Charles makes no sense on arbitrary “aptitude”-activated aid from the federal government simply because we know how such systems go. Invariably in the shitter. Invariably, to use Joe’s lingo, the way of all false markets.
Charles therefore yet makes no overall sense on the issue of government’s authority, that being the context that encompasses both issues. Further, why does the discussion almost always turn to a perception of the pragmatic outcomes and rarely to the fundamental authority and why such authority was once so strictly limited.
Shorter JHo: Where the heck is government’s right to run everything? I mean, if we’re just giving up on personal liberty, stupid land that we obviously are, then keeping up with the collective is impossible.
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 4:30 pm #
#12 – Hey, I completely agree. I don’t actually want the Feds involved in student loans *at all*. I suppose states could be in the game, if they so choose. I was just making a note that “need” seems a strange loan criteria. I can’t think of any place else where need trumps return on investment.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 4:34 pm #
Yeh, if states were in the game we could go shopping. But so messy is the way of liberty that surely someone will devise a way to clean it up. Which brings us back to the point that there’s nothing govt can’t wreck that it can’t then take over.
I move for a constitution that enumerates what govt can do.
Comment by B Moe on 10/20 @ 4:39 pm #
Really?
Comment by Charles Johnson on 10/20 @ 4:42 pm #
Charles the Lesser makes sense because he is part of the larger me. We will absorb you.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 4:43 pm #
“all that infrastructure built in the 30’s and 40’s (highways and dams and such) ”
the interstate highways were built in the 50s & 60s
Comment by Pablo on 10/20 @ 4:45 pm #
Because Congress recently decided that banks should just keep out of the student loan business and let Uncle Sugar handle it. Theses are Our Children™ after all, and we wouldn’t want them getting tangled up with capitalists at such a tender age.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/20 @ 4:47 pm #
Next is debt forgiveness for the most properly-thinking dirty socialist drones. Fucked up little third world country.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 4:52 pm #
student loans = government slavery
Comment by No one you know on 10/20 @ 5:06 pm #
RE # 2
and student loans providing a future foundation. Doesn’t the fed already run public education from kindergarten to high school? Think maybe they could clean that up first? Come on, just think of this new program as a payoff for that core constituency — college professors, sort of like cash for clunkers. If money isn’t guaranteed, colleges might have to actually start competing, and professors might have to get their salaries cut.
Comment by Inadequate Lending from Banks on 10/20 @ 5:07 pm #
“student loans = government slavery”
Conservatives masquerading as Libertarians = Crazy ‘Birfers’.
Comment by SBP on 10/20 @ 5:09 pm #
we are going to need all the technicians and engineers we can lay our hands
Most of the engineering students I know are Indian and Chinese immigrants who don’t get federal student loans.
Other than that, great point.
Comment by SBP on 10/20 @ 5:11 pm #
You basically have to die or go into somesort of vegetative state to get out of them.
Thus SFAG’s optimism that she won’t have to pay hers.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 5:17 pm #
“Comment by Inadequate Lending from Banks on 10/20 @ 5:07 pm”
inadequate lending to losers
Comment by Charles Johnson on 10/20 @ 5:26 pm #
The only education that hatchlings need is from Little Green Footballs. But resistance to the collective is futile.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 5:30 pm #
Evil banks. Dirty little socialists move in on another industry. And how long until the ACLU sues because the Feds approved loans for tuition to Marquette or Notre Dame?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 5:31 pm #
Why is axing the jobs of 35,000 student loan middlemen and passing the savings on to students a bad thing?
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 5:32 pm #
Oh good Allah.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/20 @ 5:33 pm #
Maybe they will take over my student loan and forgive it.
Yeah, right. I slay myself.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 5:35 pm #
“Why is axing the jobs of 35,000 student loan middlemen and passing the savings on to students a bad thing?”
i agree. we should get rid of 90% of the federal gov’t middleman and return the money to the taxpayers.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 5:36 pm #
Re: student loans? Who needs them? Hell, my dad refused to help for college, so no go. I’ve done well, until now anyway.
My daughters? one came out of freakin’ HIGH SCHOOL with a ‘teachers certificate’ (God help us all, not a Kool Aid drinker, but not well seasoned)
When my 1st was born, and we were poor and stupid, I set up a trust that takes a certain percentage of my income and applies it to CD’s.( they were kind of new back then) I still do it, and daughter 2 can have a free ride to college.
JD? There are pedantic asshat troll by’s, but that one was special and should be preserved in tin foil to commorate a special brand of STOOPID
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 5:36 pm #
commemorate
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/20 @ 5:38 pm #
I wonder if #2 commenter ever thought of the costs – of all kinds – to put in new high tension lines, to provide a duplication in case of damage?
What am I saying? Of course not.
Comment by Party pooper on 10/20 @ 5:38 pm #
. “But resistance to the collective is futile.”
The conservative dilemma is, ironically, profound. They set the stage
for gargantuan avarice to ply it’s trade, then hunker down while the world around them wrestles with piecing the pottery shards, biting ankles feverishly as they bemoan the consequences of nearly three decades of Keynesian Perversions, hoping against hope to deflect consequential responsibility from the originators of our present outcome.
The reason the ‘collective’ has some relevance to your stated fears, is because you folks, resurrected the dying notion like a Phoenix is fabled to rise from it’s own ashes.
Thanks for the input.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 5:39 pm #
They should just shutter any college that admitted Snowcone. Assuming any did.
Comment by B Moe on 10/20 @ 5:42 pm #
Hell he probably has tenure.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 5:42 pm #
you know i’m getting a little pol pot about higher education
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 5:47 pm #
I think we see why talentless Abe couldn’t make it in Hollywood and had to settle for making Depends commercial for a living.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 5:48 pm #
The Party pooper sounds like a typical overeducated/underemployed douchebag. The kind of loser who parlayed a self-indulgent course of study into a life of personal and financial mediocrity yet fancies himself a principled martyr. In other words, just the kind of loser the left romanticizes the forgiveness of student debt for.
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 5:52 pm #
I don’t know about any of that Abe, but I can tell from the precision of this statement by PP “…because you folks, resurrected the dying notion like a Phoenix is fabled to rise from it’s own ashes.” that whoever it is, has a god-like knowledge of the people here, which seems miraculous indeed, since we’ve never encountered any such person before, at least under that name.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 5:52 pm #
I think we see why talentless Abe couldn’t make it in Hollywood and had to settle for making Depends commercial for a living.
We is “we” monkeyboy? Do you have an agent based on something you do as a hobby?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 5:53 pm #
Newrouter? on the bright side, they can’t live forever–yet. although I do see it as a clone factory, turning out millions of non thinking copies of said “teachers”
Snotass? What do YOU do for a living? please do tell?
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 5:54 pm #
#42 Should read: Who is “we” …
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/20 @ 5:54 pm #
From:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091709/content/01125114.guest.html
“Let me review for you what is happening. Do you understand they’ve taken over the mortgage market? Ninety percent of it. The federal government is in charge of determining who gets a mortgage — and it’s not just the federal government. It’s the Obama branch of the federal government. It’s the Obama administration. This is Obama’s America. The Republican Party is not taking over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. That was done by Chris Dodd, Bill Clinton, and Barney Frank “the Banking Queen.” The House today just voted to take over in its entirety the student loan program as soon as next year. There will be no private lending for the student loan program in six months. Now, what this adds up to is that the federal government is in charge of who gets money. The Obama administration is literally taking over all control of access to money in this country.
They’ve got the banks under their spell. They are sitting on Wall Street. They’ve got their favorite players up there. Goldman Sachs and the rest have bull’s-eyes painted on them. So if they can take over the student loan market, if they can take over the home loan market, and they own the car companies, pretty soon the Obama administration is going to sit there and be the determining factor into who gets money in the form of loans to grow a business or to send a kid to school. This is not the Republicans doing this, and this is not “what Washington’s always done.” This is the biggest power grab ever! This is radical leftism fascism that has gotten its hooks into this country, and if you want to sit out there and say that there’s no difference in the two parties, you go ahead and delude yourselves.
And I say that not defending the Republican Party. I’m telling you what we face is an onslaught of radical leftism like we have never faced before. This is not “Washington as usual.” This is Washington as usual on steroids being run by radical leftists who have had designs on this since the sixties, and even prior to that. You think it might matter whether you’re Republican or Democrat when you want to get your kid a student loan? You think it might matter who they can find that you contributed to in elections campaigns? You think it might matter when it comes to health care when they take that over? You think it might matter whether your procedure gets approved or not, depending on where your political loyalties lie?
Now, don’t tell me the Republicans are doing this kind of stuff. The Republicans’ big sin is to sit back and say nothing while this is happening! The Republicans’ big sin is sitting around and letting all of you people lead this way. There is no charismatic leader in charge of this. People are fed up. It’s a generational thing. We went through that mere moments ago. It’s fascinating to watch. There’s no racism involved here. There’s just deep patriotism, people finally at the boiling point. This has been effervescing for years. I understand totally the overwhelming disgust you have for Washington, and I understand the overwhelming desire you have to lump them together. But, folks, you gotta be more discerning. As inept and as elitist and as monitor blue-blood country club as the Republican Party is, they are not fascists. They are not socialists.”
[emphasis-ed]
I don’t generally listen to Limbaugh, and never have quoted him before. But I heard him while traveling in late September, and thought his discussion of this to be unusually cogent and on target. Sure, he’s an entertainer, prone to being hyperbolic, but there are kernels of truth throughout this rant, and it is appropriate to the discussion.
I’d like to think that I’ve never led any here wrong…
All the best
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/20 @ 5:54 pm #
The party pooper sounds a lot like a certain Nordic god who also happens to be bat shit crazy.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 5:55 pm #
That party pooper is the same avaricice troll-bot from the other night.
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 5:56 pm #
Blitz, I thought that under one or the other of its aliases (was it parsnip, turnip, snowcone?) it averred that it held a job as a dog groomer or some-such?
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 5:57 pm #
#28 – Well, a couple things.
First, I don’t know where the Federal government has the authority to be in the student loan business. I mean, we could end the conversation right there, but assuming you think the feds have the authority to do whatever they want…
I have a better idea. Why don’t you set up a business originating student loans. Set it up as a non-profit if you want, or pay a return to the people who fund it.
Do you really doubt you could probably figure out how to be more efficient? You don’t have a budget allocated to you, so you shop for cheaper office space, you do real due-diligence when you hire people, turn lights off to save electricity, and look at every line item and figure out how to trim it down. You get rid of any dead weight quickly. Your going to scrutinize the loans, because if you make bad loans, your out of business. Can the government really do it better?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 5:57 pm #
PP? I do understand the English language. And that screed? Was off base by oh…let’s just say the bunt went to the catcher mmmmkay?
I want to understand what you typed, but it was so all over the place that it reminds me of this wreck/tow job a while back…an arm there, a leg over there, no head.
Comment by El Supremo on 10/20 @ 5:59 pm #
Was that the famous Charles Johnson from little green boogers?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:01 pm #
Sdferr? I’m convinced it’s Alphie, famous for the “Mile High Dirt Beam” and “Balloon Fence” methods of Isreal to protect itself, but I could be wrong.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 6:02 pm #
yes it would be nice driving the likes of ward churchill out into the countryside to rediscover his “native” roots.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:02 pm #
OI? No, it’s not him. That sob is at least literate.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:09 pm #
Charles? re your # 49
STOP MAKING SENSE. They can’t deal with it, and will only keep coming back with a brand of STOOPID so intense that most of us that don’t have Trollhammer will actually lose IQ points by the dozen even scrolling by it.
TY for your attention and support.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 6:10 pm #
That party pooper is the same avaricice troll-bot from the other night.
Exactly. The one who lives in the garbage dump Darleen linked to for us.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:10 pm #
Do you have an agent based on something you do as a hobby?
You and all the other failed auters need representation, Abe?
I pictured you guys standing around outside Home Depot waiting for work like the illegal immigrants.
Or waiting tables…
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 6:11 pm #
“…I’m convinced it’s Alphie…”
Blitz, yes, well, monkeyboy, I think, as regards the MHDB, though who could tell them apart, even though they were both names used on the same day? I just didn’t push the genealogy back beyond the proximate time of dog-grooming claim.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/20 @ 6:11 pm #
Charles, in all seriousness, please disregard alphie (snowcone). There is nothing to be gained by engaging with it. Absolutely nothing.
Comment by El Supremo on 10/20 @ 6:12 pm #
“I pictured you guys standing around outside Home Depot waiting for work like the illegal immigrants.”
At least Blitz has the skills to operate a tow-truck.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:12 pm #
Snotass? I own outright my home AND shop. What do YOU do for a living? Please be honest.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:15 pm #
El? I can also run a business,(in the recent past I also held a Shell franchise) Employ people, pay my taxes, be a loving father, do my own repair on a home I OWN…can you say the same?
Comment by El Supremo on 10/20 @ 6:17 pm #
I was trying to give you a compliment, Blitz.
Geez. I am accustomed to thicker skin from conservatives.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:18 pm #
Sorry El, but I’ve been put down before for no college/mechanic. Mea Maxima Culpa sir.
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 6:19 pm #
“I pictured you guys standing around outside Home Depot waiting for work like the illegal immigrants.”
that’s what would happen if we closed down the “humanities” studies departments across the Nation
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 6:21 pm #
You and all the other failed auters need representation, Abe?
I pictured you guys standing around outside Home Depot waiting for work like the illegal immigrants.
Or waiting tables…
Can you imagine how pathetic your “taunts” are coming from someone afraid to cop to where he went to school, what he studied, where he lives or what he does for a living?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:21 pm #
OH GOD….No Newrouter…I mean really? you close those f***ers down?
“OH THE HUMANITY”
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 6:25 pm #
Blitz – I think El Supremo was being kind. Snotnose, not so much.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:25 pm #
Abe? I honestly think that this one is special. He should be studied, preferably behind a glass wall (poo flinging and masturbation dangers) to find what makes the mind of a modern, 30–something tick( or tock, or bong, or HIT the bong)
YMMV
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:26 pm #
JD, I aplogised to El
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:29 pm #
Nah. More: There isn’t a federal program that isn’t irreparably broke. Long live federal programs, eh leftrolls?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:29 pm #
Can you imagine how pathetic your taunts are coming from someone who works at the very bottom of the entertainment industry, Abe?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:30 pm #
apologised. What would be a post w/o a typo?
certainly nothing I’ve ever typed!!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/20 @ 6:31 pm #
It is funny; you know, I am a lawyer. But I can also run a lot of machinery because I had to work my way through school. I do know what it is to empty 55 gal. cans of garbage into a packer, I know what it is to dig out a ditch.
Funny – in my office I am the go-to guy for any problem – and since I live a mile from work I can go and get the tools to get things done.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:31 pm #
Indeed. First Government Motors, tomorrow the world! Why is “creating” beelyuns and beelyuns of jobs from Teh Won’s Font a bad thing, eh Pink
yo?Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:33 pm #
Snotass? I’m serious here. Please tell us what you do for a living?
I could even accept “checking the sump pump in mommy’s basement in N’awlins” as an answer.
But please, as most of us here are very transparent as to who we are and what we do? I’d appreciate it if you would reciprocate.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:35 pm #
Mikey? I’m kind of the same, but the opposite. During Christmas (damn, gonna be busted for typing that) and Spring breaks? My cash comes from repairing Windows systems.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/20 @ 6:36 pm #
#72 – Oh! The lamprous troll has cast a wounding! I say a Wounding! Insult.
Mile High Dirt Berm, Snowy. Your own words are insulting to yourself.
And the Balloon Fence. You couldn’t pass cartoon physics.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:40 pm #
Oh come on Mikey!! The baloon fence would make a wonderful cartoon! The Mile high dirt beam thingy would fill the first 12 pages of the NYT, so that’s not such a bad thing, non?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:41 pm #
Indeed. First Government Motors, tomorrow the world!
JHo, anyone working in the student loan industry already has a government job whether they get their paycheck straight from the government or from a “private” loan outfit.
The Right used to understand that simple fact.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 6:41 pm #
Oops, missed that, blitz.
That avarice character is a real piece of shit.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/20 @ 6:42 pm #
#77 Blitz:
It is the things we learn to do on our way to doing what we are actually hired to do. I think.
I could do arc welding again if I read up on it first – been some years.
Anyway, I like to think I am contributing to the state when I come in early and repair a chair or a bookcase.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:42 pm #
LSD, much, pooper?
Anyway, I’d ask you about necessary federal authorities but since I already did — and since clearly it doesn’t matter anymore — forget it. You’re going willingly to those ovens, aren’t you?
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 6:42 pm #
“Can you imagine how pathetic your taunts are coming from someone who works at the very bottom of the entertainment industry, Abe?”
abe you work for baracky?
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:43 pm #
Troll, by 2015 anyone working already has a government job whether they get their paycheck straight from the government or from a “private” loan outfit. So, win!
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 6:45 pm #
“the student loan industry ”
cite the constitution for that federal program
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 6:47 pm #
Can you imagine how pathetic your taunts are coming from someone who works at the very bottom of the entertainment industry, Abe?
That doesn’t even make sense, Snowcone. For starters, I’ve only mentioned what I do for a living here once (aside from a few occasions where it was germane to the topic of a post). I’ve only been asked what I do for a living once. By you. And I answered in the most simple and non-egotistical manner I could. Yet no matter how many times people ask you questions of that nature you hide like a little bitch.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:49 pm #
snojob is a producer, Abe. Curb yourself, man!
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:49 pm #
No Snotsucker, we on what you laughingly call “the right” do NOT understand that, as it was not always trhat way.
(what are you , about 30?)
There WAS a time, my misinformed friend, that Schools,Churches, Communites, towns, cities, and private organizations got together to decide the best of the best.
THEY woul get the scholarships, and trust me, they weren’t “full boats” like today. Once the Govt. got involved? (I’d like to blame Carter here, but it started w/LBJ) It became a quota system
SO Snot sucker? WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING?….I’m a simple mechanic, nothing more, nothing less.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:50 pm #
I’m a small business owner and I partner in a second. You, snotty?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:53 pm #
by 2015 anyone working already has a government job
I doubt it.
I think this is just the start of the Democrat’s push to eliminate all the government contracting jobs the Republicans created in the mistaken belief they were shrinking the size of the federal government.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:54 pm #
Mikey. Exactly right. I’d like to think that the sum of experience makes the person.
Unfortunately, one does meet resistance if one admits his shortcomings. So I type flowery crap when i mean…
FOAD Troll.
Comment by JHoward on 10/20 @ 6:55 pm #
Don’t.
Or: tell me what a realistic ratio is. See what I did there, idiot? No, no of course you don’t.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:55 pm #
you hide like a little bitch
Do you expect us to believe your real name is “Abe Froman,” Sausage King of Chicago?
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 6:58 pm #
Do you expect us to believe your real name is “Abe Froman,” Sausage King of Chicago?
You’re all about doubling down on teh stoopid, ain’t ya? Tell us what you do for a living snowy? What is your educational history? What state/city do you live in? These are not identity-revealing questions.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:58 pm #
Ranks somewhat above MileHigh SnoFenceBerm, no?
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 6:59 pm #
Don’t.
Jho,
Can you link to all your posts protesting the Republican’s increasing the size of the federal budget by 50% back when they were in charge so we can judge your sincerity?
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 6:59 pm #
Are you a dependent American, snotty? It’s pertinent, see.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:59 pm #
You want my real name snotsucker? NOT a hard question. YES OR NO. I’ve typed it here before, so not a problem. But I’ll tell you what? Give me a verifiable Email addy first. THEN we’ll exchange names.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:02 pm #
Jho? I depend on America, as do you and unfortunately, snotsucker.
it’s only the DEGREE of dependance that matters. Me and you? Military,police and roads
Snotsucker? Probably a check.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 7:02 pm #
No alphie, but you can search them out. You and that rat in your pocket you call “we” can judge my sincerity thereby.
So are you a dependent? I assume that you are as the commentary evidence is rather telling.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:06 pm #
He can’t answer. He doesn’t HAVE that in his Soros feed.
I pity him really, ‘cus when it comes down( and it will) He’ll be pig fodder.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 7:11 pm #
What shall we call the “conservatives” who only started worrying about the deficit when Obama won?
Fake Fiscals?
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 7:14 pm #
Alphie/monkeyboy/parsnip/sniffles/Neville – You and your google-fu should be able to demonstrate for us where we were cheerleading Republican spending.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 7:15 pm #
Come on Snowcone. Why won’t you share some personal details with us? There’s no risk of losing your anonymity.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 7:16 pm #
Conservatives of Convenience?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:19 pm #
Typical. He’s been here like forever? And yet? cant think beyond the most recent talking points.
I remember when he showed up. So full of himself and actually called himself a consevative. SO CUTE!!!.
But, as we all know, kittehs grow up into cats, and should be shunned on sight.
So Snotass/snocone/Alphie/MAYBE Actus/Timmah…. I’m the least of the least here, and you don’t even dare to engage ME in a thought process/debate???
Pussy
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:21 pm #
OH CRAP. I meant no insult to cats, just to Snotsucker
Comment by newrouter on 10/20 @ 7:25 pm #
“What shall we call the “conservatives” who only started worrying about the deficit when Obama won?”
david frum or brooks
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/20 @ 7:29 pm #
Snowcone is parsnip trying to trade under another name…
Same smart assed quips; that it thinks are oh-so-pithy-and-clever…
It thinks it’s witty, but it’s only nit-witty…
And I think it’s a cat groomer in the Pacific northwest, or that was parsnips admission…
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 7:31 pm #
I bow to Bob R’s superior memory in this instance I think, cats it was, not dogs.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 7:33 pm #
snowy strawmans when the snojob fails. snowy strawmans often.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:33 pm #
Ummm…I was worrying about the deficit since Reagan. He damn near got it right, but lets see…Hmmmm….a “d” controlled congress AND senate stopped him.
It was SO close. Then? Bush 1 came in, and effed up the whole thing with “compassionate conservatism lite”. I bitched then Snotsucker.
Clinton? LOL!!!…TRIED to do half of what Nobama is doing, but his wife? turned a 40 year majority into a minority w/ the “health care” debacle.
After that? I have to admit, he was an OK “caretaker” President, but he was STILL riding on the coattails of the Reagan economy, and the dotcom bubble.
I have SO much to say about Bush 2 that I could scream. I don’t have the keys to the blog though….
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 7:37 pm #
David Thompson published this picture of part of Saturn’s Ring system and moon Daphnis today. What a stunningly beautiful thing to see.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:39 pm #
The above “caretaker” referred to economy only. I’m well aware of the damage he did to our military and intelligence communities, not to mention foreign policy an selling out to the Chinese, ok?
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:41 pm #
TY sdferr,needed that. a calming influence in a storm is always welcome.
Comment by teh kitteh on 10/20 @ 7:42 pm #
And I think it’s a cat groomer in the Pacific northwest, or that was parsnips admission…
I can haz balloon fence? POP!
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 7:45 pm #
Then there is the compellingly strange beautiful Blitz
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 7:47 pm #
I always picture the “mile high dirt berm” a few years down the road after the Israeli’s turn loose the settlers and the whole thing becomes the world’s first arcology complete with shopping malls, and industries inside and with the entire outside farmed for food.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:47 pm #
Please note. Never has snotsucker replied to me. I believe it’s due to the possibility that he’s never MET a (sort of) intelligent redneck, and has no talking points to refer to.
Snotsucker? I’m not dangerous. According to you folks? I’m not worthy of breeding. so please sir, attempt to respond to someone you consider a lesser. Hell, Maybe I can larn me sumpin’
Comment by happyfeet on 10/20 @ 7:48 pm #
that’s so awesome we should beam it into space
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:50 pm #
Wow Sdferr, the first? reminded me of how to fly…
“Throw yourself at the ground, and miss”…The girl in the 2nd? reminded me of a bad dream after doing shrooms back in high school.
Altogether though? very ….ummm….entertaining?? and TY!!
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 7:50 pm #
That’s what The Pub is for.
Comment by McGehee on 10/20 @ 7:51 pm #
Figments of snowcone’s imagination.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 7:53 pm #
I’m aware of the pub GeoffB, just have no idea how to use it, and you can ask anyone here, I’m HTML deficient.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 7:57 pm #
you can search them out
JHo, I can’t find a single post of yours complaining about how much the Republicans were increasing the size of the federal government back when they were in charge.
Help a brother out and provide me with a few links?
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 7:59 pm #
Don’t change the subject, snotty-government check. I’m as consistent on excess govt as you are on lying.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:02 pm #
You’re SHITTING me Snotsucker. There were MANY comments (NOT POSTS asshole, this was Jeffs place at the time) By many commenters AND Jeff about the friggin’ spendng by the repukes. We hated it, still hate it, and want to throw them ALL out.
Sorry Jeff, This is STILL your place, just had to use a perspective he’d understand.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 8:03 pm #
I’m as consistent on excess govt
Then it should be no problem for you to provide links to the posts you wrote before Obama got elected decrying the federal government’s rate of growth under the Republicans, right?
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 8:04 pm #
Take your fingers out of your ears, alphie-government check.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:05 pm #
SNOTSUCKER….HERE HERE!!! TAKE ME ON!!!….GUTLESS PUKE
The above was brought to you by someone who doesn’t give a flying intercourse, just wants to beat down a troll.
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 8:05 pm #
Click the register link at the top right on the pub page to start. Once you get your Wordpress login do some reading about it. It is not much harder than commenting, easier in that you can go back and edit mistakes or even delete everything. If you mess it up someone will comment and tell you. BTDTGTTS.
As far as HTML, Ric Locke’s guide is a good start.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 8:06 pm #
Let’s ring the welfare office with a mile high government check berm.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:07 pm #
I have his guide GeoffB, am still learning. THANK YOU
Comment by No one you know on 10/20 @ 8:07 pm #
Well, I for one, was very happy about deficit spending, until democrats in 2003, 2004, and 2005 turned my head around on how bad it was. Converted me to fiscal conservative it did. Sorry to see all those honest, smart people turn their backs on responsible government spending.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/20 @ 8:08 pm #
“Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/20 @ 5:54 pm #
The party pooper sounds a lot like a certain Nordic god who also happens to be bat shit crazy.”
One who should seek professional help.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 8:09 pm #
So it’s safe to assume you never complained while the Republicans jacked up the size of government, right?
So, what’s the topic at hand?
The discredited notion that government contractors can provide services cheaper than the government itself?
You know how much Halliburton charged American taxpayers to electrocute our troops in Iraq?
Lots.
Or how horrible it is that the Democrats are going to axe all those Republican-created government jobs?
Comment by JHoward on 10/20 @ 8:10 pm #
I hear they import dollars back from China in secret ocean containers.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 10/20 @ 8:10 pm #
the “conservatives” who only started worrying about the deficit when Obama won?
ding…”What is a Progg blanky?”
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:11 pm #
WHOA there Jho. A GOVERNMENT mile high dirt/check berm? Holy crap….I can envision it starting like, covering Connticut….But hen? Murtha an Rangel will add to it, covering New England, then OMG Here comes Dodd an Frank….There goes everything east of the Mississippi!!!
I Shudder to think what would happen if Lord Barry got his teleprompter on it….
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:12 pm #
OK….Snowcone? I have plainly and CLEARLY pronounced my aversion to the repukes spending. WHY will you not interact w/ me?
Comment by Rusty on 10/20 @ 8:12 pm #
#137
Archives are your friend, shit-for-brains.
Learn something then expound. Otherwise you look like,well, you.
Comment by JHo on 10/20 @ 8:13 pm #
I addressed your latest diversionary mendacity in 85 and 93, snotty. Or wherever it was. So answer the questions put to you.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:15 pm #
Ok, I typo. it’s my friggin’ JOB. Somebody here has to do it!!
Comment by JHoward on 10/20 @ 8:16 pm #
Hanging a curtain of unemployment checks from giant inflation bubbles arranged around the US is sure to stop incoming productivity.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:19 pm #
101 comments since I first asked snotsucker what he does for a living.
I give up, maybe he doesn’t like my deodorant or something?
More likely, he’s a gutless puke .
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:20 pm #
LOL Jho!!!
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:22 pm #
Well, almost 10:30 my time, so to bed and I’d like to ty all for putting up w/ me.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/20 @ 8:23 pm #
“Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:19 pm #
101 comments since I first asked snotsucker what he does for a living.”
He’s also a military genius.
But will he tell us what his MOS was?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO…………..
Personally, I think snowtard is a masochist troll.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/20 @ 8:28 pm #
Let me ’splain:
A Masochist Troll is one who posts stupid/absurd/outrageous/offensive/moronic comments, and then when the intelligent people on the blog hurls insults at his fatuous vacuity, he sits in front of the computer in Mom’s basement playing “yankee-my-wankee”.
Comment by Snowcone's Asshole on 10/20 @ 8:29 pm #
N.O. Brain: I can tell you that whatever Snowcone does for a living, it involves a lot of sitting on his brains.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:30 pm #
Oh crap, I missed a comment. # 137 Snotnose.
” So what is the topic at hand ”
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 6:25 pm #
Abe? I honestly think that this one is special. He should be studied, preferably behind a glass wall (poo flinging and masturbation dangers) to find what makes the mind of a modern, 30–something tick( or tock, or bong, or HIT the bong)
YMMV
I’d say the “topic at hand” Is the above
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 8:30 pm #
Oversight lockdown or the revenge of Fortney Stark.
Heh.
Comment by Blitz on 10/20 @ 8:30 pm #
G’nite all
Comment by McGehee on 10/20 @ 8:32 pm #
Only if you completely ignore everything everybody is telling you.
Except for the figments of your imagination, of course.
Comment by Snowcone's Asshole on 10/20 @ 8:35 pm #
Don’t bring up parsnips. I spent Christmas Eve 2005 in an emergency room getting scoped by the on call gastroentrologist who had to fish out parsnips that Snowcone decided would be good up me. I have never gotten over it.
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 8:39 pm #
Carrots? Beets? Celeriac? So you’re saying, possibly the mere mention of root vegetables and you’re off flinching and spasming uncontrollably SA? That’s a dreadful way to have to go through life.
Comment by JHoward on 10/20 @ 8:42 pm #
Soviet tanks can’t hurdle parsnips. Not easily, anyway.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 8:43 pm #
Only if you completely ignore everything everybody is telling you.
Why “tell” when a simple link will suffice?
Let’s open it up to all posters here:
Provide a link showing you complained about the Republicans ballooning the size of the federal government before Obama won the election.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 8:47 pm #
Why do you hate hate hate anything even remotely approaching honesty, alphie/sniffles/parsnip/Neville/monkeyboy/snotnose ?
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 8:47 pm #
Let’s open it up to all posters here:
Provide a link showing you complained about the Republicans ballooning the size of the federal government before Obama won the election.
Do you really think anyone is going to lift a finger for a certifiable moron who not only adds no value here but isn’t even man enough to say where he went to school or what he does for a living?
Comment by JHoward on 10/20 @ 8:51 pm #
Who are we to question Neville Chambermaid’s government checks?
Comment by sdferr on 10/20 @ 8:51 pm #
Views from the reviewing stand. h/t maggie’s
Comment by RIP Ford on 10/20 @ 8:57 pm #
“Why “tell” when a simple link will suffice?”
As proven time and time again, you’ll just forget that the link was ever produced tomorrow. You have the attention span and memory retention of a gnat.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 9:00 pm #
you’ll just forget that the link was ever produced tomorrow
Why pass up the chance to prove to your peers you’re a real conservative, not a partisan whiner?
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 9:12 pm #
Why pass up the chance to prove to your peers you’re a real conservative, not a partisan whiner?
Why do you pass up every opportunity to show that you’re not a moron? And I mean that seriously. JHo has written some very thoughtful and lengthy posts about economics and banking and you can always be counted on for one sentence comments akin to a giggly short bus kid who found a shiny penny on the ground.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 9:17 pm #
I would like to see a link that proves you do not bugger goats, alphie/parsnip/sniffles/monkeyboy/Neville/snotnose.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/20 @ 9:32 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 8:43 pm #
Only if you completely ignore everything everybody is telling you.
Why “tell” when a simple link will suffice?”
Do your own fucking research.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 9:38 pm #
Sons of Anarchy is a kick-ass show tonight, BTW.
Comment by teh kitteh on 10/20 @ 9:40 pm #
i can haz snoocone’s testacleezes now?
Comment by Seth on 10/20 @ 9:41 pm #
Anything’s possible when an underinformed and unengaged electorate votes for style rather than substance. Pandora is opening the box…
Comment by Snowcone's Asshole on 10/20 @ 9:46 pm #
You are a cruel bastard sdferr.
hurdle?
All I have to say is get one in your ass and see how you like it.
Comment by Pablo on 10/20 @ 9:47 pm #
Yeah, it is. I blame Bush.
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 9:51 pm #
Snowcone may have a point. My search shows no complaining about the deficit from 2006-2008:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&site=mbd&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2006,cd_max:1/1/2008&ei=64TeSu2TJYb0sgOKspHcDw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CBAQBSgA&q=deficit+site%3Aproteinwisdom.com&spell=1&fp=1&cad=b
Comment by teh kitteh on 10/20 @ 9:53 pm #
I haz link at 170 mr stupid 174
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 9:55 pm #
I just watched some douchenozzle on the MadCow show try to explain what a spitball is, and MadCow try to act like she knows anything about baseball. I never ever ever ever want to hear a Leftist say one word about Bush’s smirk. Ever.
Comment by teh kitteh on 10/20 @ 10:00 pm #
maddow haz kitteh wif cocknballz.
Comment by RIP Ford on 10/20 @ 10:00 pm #
“Why pass up the chance to prove to your peers you’re a real conservative, not a partisan whiner?”
‘Cause in the end you’re not my peer and I don’t give a rat’s fuck what you think in the end. No matter what, you’ve proven that you’re going to believe what you want to believe. Links be damn. I’m sure as hell not going through all the sites I’ve posted on over the years for your amusement.
Have a nice night.
Comment by Charles on 10/20 @ 10:04 pm #
#175 – thanks for the link. And the “Minority Maker” post is quite a good read, even 2 years later.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 10:05 pm #
Great link, Chuckles. What in the holy hell is wrong with these people?
Comment by McGehee on 10/20 @ 10:38 pm #
You’re not my peer.
Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 10:46 pm #
You’re not my peer.
I forgot, the Silly Right thinks they’re better than everybody else.
And I don’t think Obama has properly thanked Palin for winning him Virginia with her “Real America” crack.
Thank you, Sarah.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 10:46 pm #
Alphie/sniffles/parsnip/Neville/monkeyboy is not even peers with a common garden slug.
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 10:53 pm #
Peerage? In steerage.
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 10:54 pm #
R. S. McCain reply to Barrett Brown.
Comment by SBP on 10/20 @ 10:58 pm #
#114: Thanks, sdferr. That almost made this gigantic cesspool of NippleNut stupidity worth it. Almost.
Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 11:06 pm #
What RS McCain said. Barrett, you are a nozzle of douches, and as always, my sincere apologies to actual douchenozzles.
Comment by geoffb on 10/20 @ 11:10 pm #
Made me take a look at the NASA Astronomy picture of the Day page. A Tattoo? No Martian Dust Devil Trails.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/20 @ 11:19 pm #
I forgot, the Silly Right thinks they’re better than everybody else.
In your case it is self-evident. Nobody with a brain or any self-respect would persist as a side show clown and punching bag like you do here.
Comment by Rusty on 10/21 @ 5:30 am #
182.Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 10:46 pm #
You’re not my peer.
I forgot, the Silly Right thinks they’re better than everybody else.
No. Just you.
Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 10/21 @ 5:58 am #
WHOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!
Comment by Carin on 10/21 @ 6:04 am #
The Federal Government? Is nothing impossible for it?!?
Comment by JHo on 10/21 @ 6:08 am #
Sophistry becomes you, meya.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 6:38 am #
“Comment by Snowcone on 10/20 @ 10:46 pm #
You’re not my peer.
I forgot, the Silly Right thinks they’re better than everybody else.”
Everybody here, including the kitteh, is better, handomer and more intelligent than you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/21 @ 6:40 am #
“Comment by RIP Ford on 10/20 @ 10:00 pm #
“Why pass up the chance to prove to your peers you’re a real conservative, not a partisan whiner?”
‘Cause in the end you’re not my peer and I don’t give a rat’s fuck what you think in the end. No matter what, you’ve proven that you’re going to believe what you want to believe. ”
You know, I’m not really sure that snottard actually HAS beliefs.
It’s more like it shows up and vomits talking points that have no connection to reality.
Comment by Pablo on 10/21 @ 6:46 am #
meya’s reading comprehension: bad.
Comment by SBP on 10/21 @ 7:01 am #
SFAG’s intellectual honesty, intelligence, and (no doubt) personal hygiene and appearance: also bad.
Comment by McGehee on 10/21 @ 11:12 am #
See here.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 10/21 @ 12:17 pm #
Barrett’s being more stupid than usual. Wonder why he didn’t reply in comments?
I went to Huffpo to see what he’s written, and, well, waste of time. He has quite a lot more sarcasm at his command than he has actual argument.
Comment by B Moe on 10/21 @ 1:57 pm #
I just saw a piece the other day referring to folks like Barrett as “evangelical atheists”.
I really like that, wish I could remember where it was.
Comment by JD on 10/21 @ 2:10 pm #
Barrett is a mendoucheous twatwaffle.
Comment by geoffb on 10/21 @ 5:04 pm #
“evangelical atheists”
A web site.
Article at American Thinker.
And a reasonable (for them)definition at Urban Dictionary.
Comment by charles austin on 10/22 @ 3:34 pm #
Maybe prospective student borrowers should look first at how TARP recipients fared once the took the King’s shilling.