Obama setting up the return of the Taliban
President Obama is prepared to accept some Taleban involvement in Afghanistan’s political future and is unlikely to favour a large influx of new American troops being demanded by his ground commander, a senior official said last night.Mr Obama appears to have been swayed in recent days by arguments from some advisers, led by Vice-President Joe Biden, that the Taleban do not pose a direct threat to the US and that there should be greater focus on tackling al-Qaeda inside Pakistan.
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UPDATE: Taliban is Iran’s newest proxy
A soldier from 7th Group Special Forces finds rocket propelled grenades in a hard-core Taliban village that he knows from experience, are made in Iran.“Like right here, it says 82 mm “h-e” lot 02 slash 87,” the solider said. “The Iranians pretty much copy all of our ordinance, pretty much verbatim. They’ll even put English writing on there. But these lot numbers you’ll never see a U.S. lot number like that.”
The find confirms what U.S. commanders and troops in Afghanistan are seeing more often – a rise in the level of cooperation between Iran and the Taliban. [...]
The west of Afghanistan, bordering Iran, is fast becoming a graveyard for U.S. forces. U.S. deaths there have spiked from four a year since the war began, to 13 in the last five months alone.
U.S. military officials have told CBS News that Iran is sending money and weapons onto the Afghan battlefield. But U.S. commanders are not allowed to comment publicly and it’s unclear to them what the U.S. strategy is for dealing with Iran’s increasingly deadly involvement.
Comment by js on 10/8 @ 6:32 pm #
I would call him an empty suit but that would be an insult to empty suits.
Comment by SPC Jack Klompus on 10/8 @ 6:35 pm #
Oh good lord. Can’t wait for my deployment next year. What the hell is this guy doing?!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/8 @ 6:37 pm #
It is the old idea, from the late 1960’s – early 1970’s. You set up a coalition government, pull out, and wring your hands when the Taliban take over. Then you ignore the mass graves and the refugees.
And twenty years (or so) later, when someone has to go into Afghanistan again, you loudly castigate the Americans for abandoning the Afghanis while staying silent on the officials (and their political party membership) who caved in.
See? Coalition government means you leave now. And kick the can down the road to someone else. Easy-peasy – and you can feel all moral becuase you negotiated an end to the war!
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 6:40 pm #
See, that right there is oh so wrong. The trend is downward and will continue so only to get worse unless reversed by the insertion of people to put a stop to it. Stupid, stupid, stupid. And cowardly.
Comment by JeffS on 10/8 @ 6:40 pm #
I see that the “moderate Taliban” mythos is alive and well.
The only “moderate” Taliban is a dead Taliban.
Comment by DarthRove on 10/8 @ 6:41 pm #
Can I want Obama to fail now?
Comment by JHo on 10/8 @ 6:43 pm #
And under the bus goes…Biden.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 6:48 pm #
I dunno JHo, whatever may become of Biden it is beginning to look more like Obama’s announced strategy of last March that is going under the bus.
Comment by OCBill on 10/8 @ 6:48 pm #
Because, you know, if it’s not actually called “Al Qaida”, then it can’t be an enemy.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/8 @ 6:49 pm #
WTF? I thought this was a PW parody, when I first read it. This is fucking serious?
In.Fucking.Sane.
I really never thought anyone could be this dumb. Wait. I forgot about Neville Chamberlain. My bad.
Comment by newrouter on 10/8 @ 6:51 pm #
just remember it is “tal-ee-ban” in obamaspeak
Comment by newrouter on 10/8 @ 6:53 pm #
On the next episode of “JOE BIDEN GLOBAL CHESSMASTER”
Comment by B Moe on 10/8 @ 6:58 pm #
It is beyond satire.
Comment by serr8d on 10/8 @ 6:59 pm #
That’s it. We lost.
We knew it was just a matter of time. Democrats are always weak, weak and spineless when involved in matters wartime. Jimmah Baracky Obama Carter, you’ve lost another one.
Comment by Joe on 10/8 @ 7:02 pm #
As crazy as this sounds–I would wait and see on this. The Anbar strategy involved similar switched aliances. The Taliban is not necessarily al Qaeda. I do not trust Obama to do it right, but frankly we have to trust him a bit.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:03 pm #
I’m still looking but could someone find that Biden quote during the campaign where he said something to the effect that it didn’t matter that Obama has no international experience because he would be there at his side to guide him??
Jesus, Mary and Joseph…even FUBAR doesn’t cover this.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:05 pm #
Joe
If I were an Afghan woman and I got one HINT that the Taliban was going to “share” in the government, I’d be doing anything possible to get myself out of the country.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/8 @ 7:06 pm #
The country is being run by feckless cowardly morons.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:06 pm #
Darleen, have you seen the Lara Logan take down of the “good Taliban” bullcrap? She speaks plain.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 7:12 pm #
sdferr@ #4. That further demonstrates his cluelessness about COIN.
Comment by newrouter on 10/8 @ 7:14 pm #
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oh my this will be fun
Comment by Barack H. Obama on 10/8 @ 7:14 pm #
Another article on this, AP.
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:15 pm #
The ghost of BHO is haunting me.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:19 pm #
And another from Roggio and Joscelyn.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:19 pm #
This is a huge priority for the little president man.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 10/8 @ 7:19 pm #
My brother brought up the ‘moderate Taliban’ thing in an e-mail.
My response was: “And they know this…how? Did Joe have a seizure and start communing with a superior being that looks and speaks vaguely like Rocket J. Squirrel?”
No, the little brother has no idea how this idea of ‘moderate Taliban’ got about other than ‘wishful thinking’.
Comment by B Moe on 10/8 @ 7:21 pm #
The idea of a moderate Taliban comes from the same folks who think Obama is a moderate.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:21 pm #
Did anyone expect better from the dirty socialist little shit?
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:22 pm #
Jim Geraghty on “The Mother of All Expiration Dates: The Taliban Is No Longer a Direct Threat to Us” has a number of Obama quotes about fighting and beating the Taliban.
Comment by Wm T Sherman on 10/8 @ 7:25 pm #
Perhaps you recall that after Bin Laden had been indicted for the African embassy bombings, but before the 9/11 attacks, the United States tried over a period of years to get the Taliban goverment to turn Bin Laden over for prosecution. The negotiations led nowhere — Taliban requesting further clarification, not remembering things previously agreed to, stalling, stalling. Sanctions were eventually imposed – no result.
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:26 pm #
“These are not the enemy you are looking for, nothing to see here, move along, move along.”
Comment by Pablo on 10/8 @ 7:26 pm #
The Mother of All Expiration Dates: The Taliban Is No Longer a Direct Threat to Us
To our friends in uniform, my deepest condolences and apologies. You deserved better than this.
Comment by Pablo on 10/8 @ 7:26 pm #
Or, what geoff said.
Comment by McGehee on 10/8 @ 7:27 pm #
But… but he’s a good man!
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:28 pm #
Contrast the shit-eating Jennifer Loven’s statement:
to this bit from CBS:
Comment by Pablo on 10/8 @ 7:28 pm #
The Taliban are basically “good men”. Do they not love their children?
They make the trains run on time, right?
God, we’re fucked.
Comment by Pablo on 10/8 @ 7:30 pm #
Or what McGehee said. Shit, why am I even here? Maybe it’s this:
Please, please, please resign, Gen. McChrystal.
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:31 pm #
This one from the convention can be seen as true;
you just need to tweak the definitions of “responsibly” and “finish” but that is everyday child’s play for this bunch and their enablers.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:31 pm #
Jesus fuck the piece of shit didn’t know who the fucking enemy was. Unbelievable.
Comment by No one you know on 10/8 @ 7:32 pm #
I can’t wait for the Taliban to come back. See, this is how it works. Taliban back in power -> Afghan women start getting executed in the soccer stadium for showing some ankle -> western “feminists” have something to piss and moan about giving them purpose in their lives.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:32 pm #
More Roggio.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:34 pm #
McChrystal needs to resign and tell the anti-American douchebag piece of shit little president man that it’s your battlefield and once you figure out who the goddamn enemy is I’m sure you’ll do a bang up job.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:34 pm #
At least the Talib have Jennifer Loven on their side, Noyk.
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:34 pm #
We are his enemy happyfeet. He just can’t come out and clearly say it quite yet.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:35 pm #
sdferr, I’d bet for reals money that the Taliban are coordinating their propaganda with the the dirty socialist little president man’s White House. I have no doubt.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 7:38 pm #
That’s true geoff but also the Europansies are going to eventually figure out that this dirty socialist dipshit is very very bad news for them.
Comment by newrouter on 10/8 @ 7:38 pm #
“the Taliban are claiming they have no aspirations to be involved in the global jihad.”
oh the tal-ee-ban are heretics like the muslim president
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 7:39 pm #
Belmont club is discussing Gen. McChrystal’s letter. In comment #2 by Lifeofthemind, I like this.
Comment by newrouter on 10/8 @ 7:40 pm #
i think the arabic taqisomethingorother or bullshit artist in english
Comment by guinsPen on 10/8 @ 7:40 pm #
Taliban.
Comment by JD on 10/8 @ 7:41 pm #
Fucking feckless cowards.
So, when he was babbling about how he had the judgment to win the just war in Afghanistan, not only did he not know who our enemy was, but his idea of winning was to quit.
Comment by sdferr on 10/8 @ 7:41 pm #
“…no aspirations to be involved in the global jihad…”
On the same day “A Taliban suicide bomber killed 17 civilians and wounded more than 80 in an attack outside the Indian embassy in the Afghan capital of Kabul.”
Right, no aspirations.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/8 @ 7:42 pm #
TV report of above.
Comment by JPS on 10/8 @ 7:47 pm #
B Moe: “the Taleban issued a statement on their website yesterday declaring that they had ‘no agenda to harm other countries.’”
Nice. Reminds me of the shark on SNL. “I’m just a dolphin, ma’am.”
Comment by No one you know on 10/8 @ 7:49 pm #
Come on now. Much like how he’s handling Iran, Obama is playing 7-dimensional chess that we mere mortals cannot hope to understand.
Comment by rrpjr on 10/8 @ 7:50 pm #
This is like watching a real-time documentary of the Idiot’s Guide to Losing a War. On the other hand, as a commenter on Hot Air pointed out, Obama promised the Left he would lose a war. Thanks to the surge, Iraq is no longer loseable. So maybe he’s only fulfilling his promise — one he thinks he can’t afford not to.
Comment by Makewi on 10/8 @ 7:52 pm #
So then, 8 years is how long you have to hold out against the Americans if you want to win a war against them. Lesson learned.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 10/8 @ 7:53 pm #
President Obama is prepared to accept some Taleban involvement in Afghanistan’s political future….
But why use mere proxies – if the Proggs could just work their way back to the womb, they’d be much more happy fo’ sure.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 10/8 @ 7:55 pm #
And so would we, yeah, there’s the rub.
Comment by Kresh on 10/8 @ 8:01 pm #
The whole “Moderate Taliban” thing came as a result of too many viewings of “Unbreakable” by the members of the Obama administration. Specifically the idea that every person/ political view/ organization/ ability has an opposite somewhere in the world. Thus, the fact that there are “Moderate Socialists” and “Moderate Republicans” and “Moderate NAMBLA Members”, leads to the idea that there MUST be some “Moderate Taliban” somewhere in the whole Taliban structure/ belief system. It’s just gotta be true!
While this may be true, what else is true is that those supposed “Moderate Taliban” fellows are nowhere near anything resembling the levers of power. I mean really. Those pussy bastards? If Allem-al-Ackbar won’t go try an kill a few Great Satan Americans with an RPG, he sure as fuck ain’t gonna be able to lead even a small prayer meeting. Let’s be honest here. The “Moderate Taliban” will inherit the earth along with the meek; in pine boxes six feet underground.
I like how the Obama administration thinks they can analyze players when they don’t even know how to play the game. “That’s a touchdown, right guys? 3 points, right? Am I even close here? Shoot, Bush is an idiot, how come I can’t figure this stuff out? He made it look so easy. Maybe if I ate some pretzels…”
Comment by Makewi on 10/8 @ 8:05 pm #
The moderate Taliban allows girls to go to school, they just rape and stone the filthy little harlots on their way home afterward. Compromise.
Comment by SBP on 10/8 @ 8:07 pm #
So we won the one that Obama said was unwinnable, and are going to lose the one he said was the important one?
That’s quite the won/lost record you’re accumulating there, Barry.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 10/8 @ 8:09 pm #
Kabul – The former Taliban regime’s envoy to Pakistan says that talks proposed by German government proposed with the moderate Taliban are a ‘waste of time’ and considered a ‘conspiracy’ to make them weak and create a rift among their ranks.
‘The sharing of power with some Taliban, and to separate the Taliban, is a conspiracy that the Taliban know, and it will not be successful,’ Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the former Taliban regime’s ambassador to Islamabad, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa in an exclusive interview at his Kabul house.
That’s from 2007, so I’d say they’re onto us. God help our troops out in those mountains…
Comment by Jeffersonian on 10/8 @ 8:16 pm #
I can’t wait for the Taliban to come back. See, this is how it works. Taliban back in power -> Afghan women start getting executed in the soccer stadium for showing some ankle -> western “feminists” have something to piss and moan about giving them purpose in their lives.
Ha-ha. Western feminists don’t give a goose’s shit about women oppressed, raped, murdered by these 7th century lunatics, western feminism being little more than one of hundreds of stalking horses for the hard left.
Comment by gus on 10/8 @ 8:28 pm #
Imagine General McChrystal hearing this shit. Seriously, imagine the General who couldn’t get a call from the President in 3 months hearing that the ENEMY is OK with the President.
Obama is worthless. He’s total shit.
Comment by Joe on 10/8 @ 8:47 pm #
Darleen, the Taliban are trouble. But if the Special Forces and CIA operatives can peel off Taliban elements to help fight al Qaeda coming back, I can see why they would consider it. I am not defending this decision, I just need more information. It may be as fucked up as you suspect and if that is the case I join you in criticizing it.
Comment by Eben on 10/8 @ 8:56 pm #
I know my views on our presence in Afghanistan aren’t well received by many here but… I told you so.
He’s laying the groundwork for Vietnam part two. Get our troops the hell out of there now.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 8:59 pm #
Eben
Vietnam 2.0 only if you remember 1.0 — won militarily, lost via Democrat Congress.
Comment by MarkJ on 10/8 @ 9:10 pm #
I’d call Obama “Our American Neville Chamberlain” but that wouldn’t be fair…to Neville Chamberlain. After all, even Chamberlain finally saw the light, grew a spine, and declared war against Hitler.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/8 @ 9:24 pm #
I’m stealing this, just so you know.
Comment by SDN on 10/8 @ 10:40 pm #
You act surprised that Copperheads are treasonous. Why?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/8 @ 10:57 pm #
This whole “moderate Taliban” is perhaps one of the most risible excuses to essentially surrender that I have ever heard; and I never thought I’d see Obama stoop so low…
See, here at home we’ve had essentially a secular society for the last 70 or so years; slowly divoecing religion from most elements of social life. A day doesn’t go by when some proggy type isn’t castigating “Taliban Xrtianists!” for resisting the progressive agenda. And, as a result they’ve forgotten what actual religious conviction looks like, and can motivate people to do.
That’s especially true with radical Islam, as evidenced by the Taliban. There are no moderates among those who belive that sacrificing one’s self as a part of jihad, in the name of Allah, will guarantee one’s enty into their own version of heaven. People who will blow themselves up in order to kill some of their enemies are in no way moderate. But they aren’t animals, and are cunning. Recognizing Obama’s weakness, and seeing how the Iranians can gey where they want to go simply by stalling for time, they will act like they want to go-along-get-along. But it will simply be an excuse…
Ultimately they will infiltrate the Afghan government security apparatus enough to arrange for terrible, coordinated, operations against our soldiers; hoping that if enough blood is shed, that Obama will declare victory and leave. And then they’ll have the nation again, and the whole doomsday scenario of pakistan toppling and the jihadis getting their hands on nukes will come to pass…
After that, all bets are off…
So congratulations to the cowardly progressive Democrats. They believe they are being strobg enough to do the hard work of peace; but instead they are simply diminishing our nation in the eyes of the world again. God help us all if they are doing it on purpose…
This is like a cross between the end of Vietnam and the Iranian hostage crisis. This will not go well, I fear, and will dig us a deep hole that will be difficult to dig ourselves out of.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 11:02 pm #
it made me think of this
Comment by LTC John on 10/8 @ 11:22 pm #
Joe, I can only hope for your sake you are kidding around here. Ever met a Talib? Ever fought ‘em? There are no Taliban “moderates”. There are damned few Taliban left from 2001 onward. We killed a whole shitload of them while I was there in 2004-2005. And if you don’t think I am not up at night remembering this in very vivid terms every so often, you’d be incorrect.
Anyone who is Talib NOW is either the last handful of the really hardcore rape/kill/impose the 7th Century on poor bleeding Afghanistan or a recruit that has newly joined a group that tells them “join the jihad to drive the Crusader out of the Lands of Islam, and purify Afghanistan in blood and fire”.
If the CinC cannot identify the Talib as an enemy of this country, I am going to be really sad, and go drink a hell of alot this very night. I just finished welcoming home the last of a TF that lost 40 Soldiers fighting these animals. I am in a less than polite mode right now, so please forgive me whilst I go find the rum bottle.
Comment by LTC John on 10/8 @ 11:42 pm #
“Taliban is Iran’s newest proxy”
Newest? They were #$%&ing with Farah (check an AF map) way long before it became cool to notice.
Of course, I’m not so good with the Iranian regime, as I’ve helped put paid to waaaay more of their scumbag agents and proxies than they could ever hope to count against one little old field grade from the US Army (thanks to my good friends in the Iraqi Army). But that was their big #$%& up in Al Basrah, not Afghanistan. I guess they haven’t learned the old saw “once bit, twice shy”. I only hope we reinforce the lesson once again.
Comment by geoffb on 10/8 @ 11:42 pm #
What it brings to mind for me is something I had thought was now off the table but Obama has brought it back into my thoughts. Wretchard’s “Three Conjectures”. President Feckless is making a world where they can leave the realm of speculation and enter reality bringing their bitter dark coldness along.
Comment by dicentra on 10/8 @ 11:54 pm #
The Taliban is not necessarily al Qaeda.
And NBC isn’t necessarily MSNBC. The heads of each of these organizations have married the daughters of the other heads. Typical Al Qaeda: intermarry with the locals to get their trust and loyalty.
And BTW, Iran isn’t the only one supplying arms to the Taliban/AQ — a returned soldier told me that Russia is doing it, too.
As for being unable to recognize the enemy, we should be surprised that Obama doesn’t? He disses the U.K., Poland, Colombia, Honduras, and all our other erstwhile allies and then cozies up to Chávez, Ahmadinejad, and Zelaya.
The man is 180° out of phase with the rest of us, meus filhos, but yes, it does surprise to see how many assumptions he and his cronies can invert.
Comment by Flash Hole on 10/9 @ 12:17 am #
Thanks to the surge, Iraq is no longer loseable.
On the contrary, it is still possible to lose there. Remember, Iran is still next door, its mullah-dominated government is still intact, and Iran’s proxy, Fat Sadr, is still on the loose. Once the majority of U.S. forces are gone, expect the Iranians to ramp up their activities in order to basically turn Iraq into a satellite.
Comment by donald on 10/9 @ 4:02 am #
I guess it’s too late, but didn’t the little cocksucker read Ghost Wars?
Comment by sdferr on 10/9 @ 4:18 am #
Damned if he didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Ha.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 4:35 am #
“Did Joe have a seizure and start communing with a superior being that looks and speaks vaguely like Rocket J. Squirrel?”
Hey, Rocky, wanna see me pull a moderate out of my hat?
/Bullwinkle
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 4:42 am #
“Comment by JD on 10/8 @ 7:41 pm #
Fucking feckless cowards.”
Ii just realized.
They never had feck to begin with.
Comment by ghost707 on 10/9 @ 4:51 am #
I don’t even know what to say about Obama any more. There are no words to describe that idiot.
Worst President in history doesn’t even begin to cover it.
I guarantee there are thousands of four letter words echoing through the Pentagon right about now.
Worst President in history doesn’t begin to cover it.
Comment by ghost707 on 10/9 @ 4:53 am #
See how upset I am. ^^^^
Comment by Rusty on 10/9 @ 4:56 am #
I think president jug ears just opened the door for muslim extremists to start blowing stuff up here in the U.S. of A.
What a seedy, disgusting, grubby little man, our president.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 5:03 am #
This just in:
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
OSLO — President Obama on Friday won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said.
AP via Lucianne.
Well, that thing will be worthless from now on, won’t it?
Comment by Rusty on 10/9 @ 5:12 am #
#86
It was worthless after Carter won it.
Now they’re just patting the negro on the head.
RACIST! I denounce myself.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 5:21 am #
Like? The World Apology Tour, perhaps?
Well, they gave the damned thing to Al Gore for narrating a movie, so why not?
Comment by Joe on 10/9 @ 5:33 am #
Welcome back Carter!
Comment by Joe on 10/9 @ 5:36 am #
Come on, a Noble Peace Prize?
The only peace summit was that sit down with Gates and Crowley.
Comment by donald on 10/9 @ 5:43 am #
I personally say this and went straight to The Onion. Imagine my suprise.
Comment by Abe Froman on 10/9 @ 5:47 am #
Come on, he deserves it. This is like the Heisman Trophy for men without penises.
Comment by serr8d on 10/9 @ 5:50 am #
What? are these things are coming out of the bottom of crackerjack boxes nowadays? Well, obviously, and have been since Yassar Arafat’s.
This is the ‘new’ Nobel Prize for Wishful Thinking. Shit, I should have a houseful.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 6:04 am #
“#Comment by Joe on 10/9 @ 5:33 am #
Welcome back Carter!”
I told you I told you and…. I told you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 6:08 am #
Just remember that in leftspeak “peace” doesn’t mean what it means to real people.
Comment by Roland THTG on 10/9 @ 6:40 am #
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters: “The Nobel prize for peace? Obama should have won ‘the Nobel Prize for escalating violence and killing civilians’.”
Wait! I thought the Tallybohn were going to be our partners in peace.
Comment by serr8d on 10/9 @ 6:54 am #
First! out of the box.
Comment by SBP on 10/9 @ 7:00 am #
Ah, but they didn’t ask the “moderate Taliban”, Roland.
Of course, that would require a Ouija board….
Comment by Rusty on 10/10 @ 10:05 am #
This is not going to end well.