I may comment on this from time to time. Drinking game parameters… make suggestions in the comments but I figure a good one to start is “you will get to keep your insurance” is a good bet.
What number will The One peg for the “uninsured”… 47 million? 56 million?
Anyone buy that Obama is sincere about tort reform?
5:11 Introduced (has The One ever been on time for a speech?)
(Hillary and Nancy in the same shade of red… heh)
5:17 “I will not let up until those Americans who seek jobs can find them.” Government jobs? From those 52 new agencies you propose?
5:19 Obama points to Dingell in approving tones, but Dingell has introduced a bill to impose single-payer each year for years
5:22 — Obama is recycling his stump speech points….yawn … with the same unsourced stats
5:23 — “we spend more than any other country” … cuz they cut costs by letting people die, doah.
5:24 — “single payer” got applause…who was that? And Obama just mischaracterized “the rights” position
5:26 — “build on what works”… but what does that mean in ObamaSpeak???
5:27 — “Now is the time to deliver on healthcare”… yeah right
5:28 — Obama promises two unicorns in every pot
5:29 — Oooooo, details!
5:29 — GET READY TO DRINK!!! “nothing in this plan will REQUIRE you to change”… what a fucking bit of duplicity!
5:30 — “preexisting is illegal” “cancellation is illegal” “caps are illegal” “limit out-of-pocket”
5:31 — insurance will have to cover routine check ups (next he’ll require auto insurance to cover oil changes and tire rotations)
5:32 — “Insurance exchange” but what is the requirements for entrance?
5:33 — McCain gets his 5 seconds of face time…. argh
5:34 — You young people YOU ARE IRRESPONSIBLE!!!
5:35 — Guess what people…. INSURANCE WILL BE MANDATORY!!
5:36 — “We still have to work out the details” ….. gag
5:37 — “misinformation”…. yeah? “Death panels” “it is a lie plain and simple” Obama’s straight out lie.
5:38 — Woah! Someone just shouted lie about the illegal aliens!!
5:39 — Obama is lying about abortion, too. Money is fungible.
5:40 — Obama is talking about states with only a few insurance companies but that is because states restrict insurance to within the borders.
5:41 — “I don’t want to put insurance companies out of business” Good lord, how does Obama continue to dissemble like this?
5:42 — The public option is still THERE “the public option will have to be self-sufficient”… like what, the Post Office???
5:43 — Someone want to dissect the comparison Obama just made between public and private universities??
5:44 — shorter Obama: you all shut up about my plan
5:45 — “How do we pay for this plan — I will not sign a plan that adds to the deficit”… anyone believe him?
5:47 — Oh…finally the IT’S BOOOOOOOOSH’S FAULT comes in
5:48 — “we will find savings via waste” trillions of dollars worth?
5:49 — “not a dime of the medicare trust fund will pay for this plan” where IS that trust fund? Obama is signalling end of Medicare Advantage and is talking about those “panels” again.
5:50 — “I will protect Medicare” no you won’t
5:51 — surcharge on insurance policies…. whaa…?
5:52 — Tort reform is not going over well with the John Edwards’ proteges in the audience
5:53 — $900 billion cost “less than Iraq, less than those evil tax cuts to the RICH!!”
5:54 — “I will seek common ground, my door is always open.” When exactly is Obama IN the Oval office and not infront of a camera somewhere?
5:56 — Oh gawd… Dead Kennedy moment. Pimp that corpse, Barry!
5:57 — “Social justice” DRINK!!
5:58 — How can Obama say “self-reliance” in the same breath as proposing statism?
5:59 — Hey Barry — that helping hand is voluntary! the Government hand is NOT voluntary!
6:00 — Barry knows his history of Social Security as well as 57 states
6:01 — “without the leavening hand of Government” WTF?
6:02 — Barry is winding up with usual Messiah rhetoric unmatched by reality
…. good lord that was tedious…..
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Sarah Palin, whose writings have gotten the Left and Obama all wee wee’d up has a pointed response (h/t royf)
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The congressman who got fed up the Obama’s blatant lie — “illegal aliens won’t get benefits under this reform” — was one Joe Wilson
The culprit was South Carolina rep Joe Wilson, who felt moved to act when The One told what was, in fact, a lie. Although certainly not his biggest of the night: Where this jackass gets off lecturing Americans on civility after his cretinous cronies spent a month demagoging the hell out of every protester in sight is beyond me. You’re Mr. Clean, aren’t you, champ? And bottom-feeders like Harry Reid are your hatchet men. Nice work if you can get it.
I’m told that his magic number of “47 million” uninsured Americans magically dropped to 30 million uninsured in this speech, presumably to omit the illegal immigrants who were inflating the tally
BTW…. I did a search on “Joe Wilson” on Twitter and there are threats against him being “tweeted”
eraka08: Lololol RT @saigrundy: FUCK his office number, where do joe wilson’s kids go to school? we finna ride on this bitch.
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eshenayo: RT @saigrundy: RT @stanbray Obama Speech heckler was Rep. Joe Wilson (SC) tell him what u think: 202-225-2452 or http://joewilson.house.gov
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AustinLAC: Lmao Get it Sai RT @saigrundy i dont think joe wilson understands that i don’t have shit to do BUT call his office all night. i got vonage.
Lovely.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/9 @ 6:17 pm #
Sub-topic, how many lies will He tell? I’m going all in for 25 or greater.
Comment by Phil on 9/9 @ 6:18 pm #
Words I’d be surprised to hear tonight: tort reform, portability, freedom.
Comment by Rusty on 9/9 @ 6:21 pm #
Lets all count how many times he uses the personal pronoun and how many times he uses ‘healthcare’. Find what this speech is really about. For every time he says ‘I’ or a contraction of same, you have to do a shooter of JD. For every time he says ‘healthcare’ you have to chug a beer. Bonus chug if he uses ‘urgent’ somewhere preceeding ‘healthcare’.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:23 pm #
Anecdotal Horror Stories! I’m terrified, I tell you.
‘Cause of the scare tactics.
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:24 pm #
who’s blinking more joey hairplugs or sanfrannan?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:24 pm #
I don’t have that much whiskey or beer in the house, Rusty.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:26 pm #
Insurance costs 3 times as much as what you get through your employer?
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:26 pm #
joey at this point is blinking a little faster than the leftcoaster
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:27 pm #
maybe joey and nan are doing morse code to the moonbats
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:28 pm #
He thinks he can command the answer. Ugh.
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:33 pm #
“you will be commmunists comrades”
Comment by TaiChiWawa on 9/9 @ 6:35 pm #
“But wait! There’s more! Are you getting this, camera guy?…
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:39 pm #
CATO’s live blog, where Mike Tanner, Mike Cannon, Arnold Kling, Shirley Svorny and Patrick Basham are blogging. Linky.
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/9 @ 6:41 pm #
If someone told me I had a choice between watching this jug-eared assclown read from his tellyprompta or putting Icy Hot on my nut sack, my balls would be in a world of hurt right now.
Thank God we’re still free to choose neither.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:42 pm #
46 million are uninsured, butless tehn 5% of the people would use the public option?
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:43 pm #
Barry does better when he’s allowed to lie to your face without challenge.
Comment by Huey on 9/9 @ 6:43 pm #
Yup, I think we just found a replacement for Billy Mays.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:43 pm #
Hmm–12-15 million is somewhat less than 5%–about the honest number of people who are genuinely uninsured…..
Comment by Joe on 9/9 @ 6:44 pm #
Darleen, I know it is a school night, but can you give us permission to just drink and drink hard? It is a special occasion.
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:45 pm #
Barry pretends to be mr. reasonable-let’s-work-together. Some fools will actually buy his bullshit posturing.
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:46 pm #
I guess he won’t be signing any plans then.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:46 pm #
not one dime to the defict—by who’s estimation?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:48 pm #
A sacred milstone, bound around the necks of successive generations…..
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:48 pm #
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Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:49 pm #
Mike Tanner says CBO estimates future unfunded liabilities of the bill’s before Congress exceed $9T.
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:50 pm #
buy now and you also get the buzzing prayer rug. All for
$19.95
Comment by geoffb on 9/9 @ 6:50 pm #
True but only with ‘prompter. Off it not so good.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 6:52 pm #
What would we do without experts?
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:52 pm #
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Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 6:55 pm #
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Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 6:58 pm #
Take that social justice and stick it where the sun don’t shine Barry.
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 7:00 pm #
We are not all in this together. Sorry Barry. You don’t get to decide without opposition.
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 7:01 pm #
The [ha-ha] leavening hand of wise policy!
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 7:03 pm #
This moment! Fuck off Barry, this moment is no different than any other you putz.
Comment by geoffb on 9/9 @ 7:04 pm #
Somewhere Bill Clinton is smiling. This primetime speech will in a few months make everyone forget about the “I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski” one as that one managed to eclipse the “I am not a crook” one by Nixon.
The producers of “Lie to Me” should be happy too. Lots of tells to use.
Comment by Nolanimrod on 9/9 @ 7:04 pm #
Huey (http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15276#comment-779357) gets my vote for Pithy Comment of the Night
Comment by happyfeet on 9/9 @ 7:07 pm #
oh. Did I miss it already?
Comment by dicentra on 9/9 @ 7:08 pm #
Well, that wrapped the needle on my Mendacity Meter™ around about seven times.
Comment by dicentra on 9/9 @ 7:10 pm #
The producers of “Lie to Me” should be happy too. Lots of tells to use.
Narcissists and other practiced liars don’t “tell” so well. Oprompta’s been telling these lies so often he now believes them. Face will show that he’s telling the truth.
Or not. I heard someone say that he touches his nose. I didn’t watch; I listened while at Ace’s and Twitter.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 7:11 pm #
Oh my heavens, he went on about 20 minutes too long( 60 minutes too long really)…
And he basically said, while deficit neutral, the public option will be a part of any plan that is passed…
And while pledging no cuts to medicare, he clims that 500 billion can be saved through streamlining…
Says it’s not a government takleover, but a strong guiding hand…
Mostly bullshit; nothing new save for a bone thrown to the malpractice reform crowd…
Only a bone that is, it’ll never be part of the final bill…
What a friggin liar…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 9/9 @ 7:12 pm #
Fix VA and Indian Health Service and make Medicare and Medicaid solvent and maybe I could see my way to trust government involvement in healthcare.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 7:13 pm #
Dig that; deficit effin’ neutral…
CBO says you’re lying, Dude! You better call yourself out!
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 7:16 pm #
Totally unspecific on how all this sweetness and light will be payed for…
And deficit effin’ neutral?!? WTF?!?
Like I said, sure the public option will be self funding; just like Freddie/Fannie, Amtrak, and the Post Office…
Comment by TaiChiWawa on 9/9 @ 7:17 pm #
What is the government estimate-to-actual conversion of $900 billion over 10-years?
Comment by geoffb on 9/9 @ 7:18 pm #
I was thinking of the verbal tics. Like “let me be clear” or “these are the facts” which usually preface a nice fat lie in a speech.
Comment by Darleen on 9/9 @ 7:19 pm #
anyone figured out who shouted “liar” or “lie” when Obama said illegal aliens would not get benefits under his bill?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 9/9 @ 7:21 pm #
I spent my evening on the web; and listening to Patti Page.
Did I miss anything?
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 7:30 pm #
axeltool spinning on o’really
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 7:31 pm #
man axeltool has unleashed black nationalist on the nation.
Comment by Darleen on 9/9 @ 7:32 pm #
Axelrod “all medical personnel support this reform”
what a fucking lie.
Comment by serr8d on 9/9 @ 7:33 pm #
@46 Darleen, that was the highpoint of the event for me. Seeing SanFranNan glance about with the evil eye brought a smile to my stone face.
Soon after, I dozed off. Seriously.
Comment by Snowcone on 9/9 @ 7:38 pm #
And deficit effin’ neutral?!? WTF?!?
If he says that, all he needs is 50 votes in the Senate to pass medical reform.
I think he just said it.
Comment by newrouter on 9/9 @ 7:43 pm #
is axeltool a van jones communist? fucking gov’t filled with red diaper babies.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 7:47 pm #
CBO says he’s lying about the deficit neutral part…Kind of hard to go nuclear with that hanging around his neck…
And why would you be so gleeful about employing a parlimentaey connivance that didn’t lower anyones taxes? Because you’re a craven partisan that doesn’t have the country’s best interests at heart; only the misdirected desire to make more of the public dependant on the state, and therefore beholden to the statist Democrats…
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 7:48 pm #
I’m starin’ to wonder if snowcone isn’t thor by another name…
Comment by JD on 9/9 @ 7:49 pm #
Deficit neutral, or trillions of dollars of unsustainable deficits. Who to believe?
Comment by Eben on 9/9 @ 7:51 pm #
From God, to his equal partner Barry, to snotcone, if He said it, it must be true, reality be damned.
Comment by cranky-d on 9/9 @ 7:53 pm #
I’ll take trillions of unsustainable deficits for 1 trillion, Alex.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/9 @ 7:55 pm #
I counted 26 lies of some kind or other, which is what inspired me to even listen to the speach. Overall, though, what a veritable riot! I give him a zero, he blew it, and we really haven’t seen his bill yet, which should lead to yet more fun.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/9 @ 7:55 pm #
50? Don’t you mean 57?
Comment by JD on 9/9 @ 7:59 pm #
The number of overt lies of comission and omission were remarkable.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 8:08 pm #
Snotcone is way too stupid to be thor.
Wow, and to think I missed this epoch-marking speech to hold evening office hours.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 8:12 pm #
This may be the “sai grundy” who was threatening Wilson’s children:
http://www.lsa.umich.edu/women/graduate/gradbio.asp?ID=148
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:13 pm #
I missed that. They don’t let just anybody in there.
But I liked the part where he decided to call Sarah Palin a liar while addressing a joint session of Congress. At least this time he’s talking to a WSJ Op-Ed and not just her Facebook posts.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/9 @ 8:13 pm #
You were far more productive SBP. And didn’t subject yourself to near stroke levels of blood pressure increase from all the lies…
Comment by Darleen on 9/9 @ 8:14 pm #
SBP
I thought I’d start saving some screenshots…
Comment by serr8d on 9/9 @ 8:14 pm #
@46: Twitterers twitting that Joe Wilson called Obama correctly.
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:15 pm #
I know he said he was gonna bring the ObamaCare declaration from the mountain, but is that still operative? Didn’t he infer that he was going to bless some more congressional hooey?
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Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:15 pm #
Joe Wilson?
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:16 pm #
Ah, got it. You go Joe. And thanks for not being Valerie’s Joe.
Comment by serr8d on 9/9 @ 8:17 pm #
Here it is. You go, Joe~!
Comment by serr8d on 9/9 @ 8:18 pm #
Oh. New thread. I’m still snoozing, obviously. )
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:19 pm #
Oh, there you go, Girl. Hit the sweet spot.
Comment by geoffb on 9/9 @ 8:20 pm #
#63,
This is PhD scholarship material. My wife is going to bemoan how far her school has fallen.
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:24 pm #
Oh, she’s special, geoffb.
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 8:26 pm #
Oh, fuck me.
Saida Grundy.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 8:27 pm #
You know, you’d think that a PhD student would know better than to threaten a congressman’s children under her own name.
Comment by Rusty on 9/9 @ 8:27 pm #
Nothing the government does is deficit neutral. He and his people honest to god think everybody but them are stupid. Granted the 50% to the left on the bell curve really are stupid, but the rest of us ain’t.
Comment by gregorbo on 9/9 @ 8:32 pm #
Two members of a local Advisory Board under Obamacare discuss “end of life issues.” Watch to the end, as Obama himself makes an appearance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
Comment by Snowcone on 9/9 @ 8:52 pm #
From God, to his equal partner Barry, to snotcone, if He said it, it must be true, reality be damned.
I think it was a not so subtle threat to use reconciliation to pass medical reform if the Republicans don’t want to participate in the governing America.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 8:58 pm #
Do it, Snotcone. Just do it.
See what happens in the 2010 midterms.
Comment by JD on 9/9 @ 9:00 pm #
Snowplow – I think that unicorn farts could supply enough juice to power 1/100th of algore’s carbon footprint.
Comment by MarkJ on 9/9 @ 9:02 pm #
I played “Obama Health Care Speech Bingo” tonight using a provided list of standard Obamazoid cliches and catch-phrases…..and won!
Where do I collect my prize?
Comment by MarkJ on 9/9 @ 9:04 pm #
Snowcone,
Historical Memo for Obama: Revolutions have begun over a lot less s*** than “reconciliation.”
Comment by Eben on 9/9 @ 9:14 pm #
pro tip – voting no is participating
Comment by yeah right on 9/9 @ 9:25 pm #
you suck. maybe if you grew a brain you wouldn’t have to jump on the popular culture of rednecks bandwagon and bitch about the only thing good America has going. How do you sleep at night?
Comment by yeah right on 9/9 @ 9:27 pm #
not just “anybody” huh? you seem like a pretty typical dumbass to me, I bet about 30% of the country agrees with you (though you like to pretend you have a red majority – hahaha red like communism) but any of you idiots could say the same insulting things, if you were more than just “anybody” you’d have a real job
Comment by Eben on 9/9 @ 9:28 pm #
lulwat
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 9:29 pm #
I don’t think English is its first language, Eben.
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 9:32 pm #
Huzzah! Pass your fantasy. Make it law. You have the numbers, get it on. And get back to me later.
Comment by yeah right on 9/9 @ 9:33 pm #
typical, insult the speaker rather than think about the deserved criticism. can anyone say collective failure? as a party, an ideology, and a bunch of people? didn’t think so. better to rally with friends who agree with us then DARE to step out into the light and realize how backwards you all are.
Comment by Eben on 9/9 @ 9:40 pm #
Here’s a pro tip for you, legibility goes a long way towards making your ‘deserved criticism’ have any sort of impact.
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 9:41 pm #
lulwat? Have you ever seen a grown man naked, yeahright? Are you familiar with the Medicare 2 year waiting period?
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 9:41 pm #
#92: English, motherfucker. Do. You. Speak it?
Comment by Pablo on 9/9 @ 9:42 pm #
#92 is a truly fucked up paragraph. Huh?
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 9:52 pm #
Fearless leader Barry: “Our collective failure to meet this challenge – year after year, decade after decade – has led us to a breaking point.”
Sheesh, this douchebag will say almost anything won’t he?
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 9:55 pm #
Barry again: “There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage.”
Is that an even remotely true statement?
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 9:58 pm #
And again, same paragraph: “And every day, 14,000 Americans lose their coverage. In other words, it can happen to anyone.”
Anyone? Like to you Barry? Or your friend Teddy Kennedy?
Comment by Snowcone on 9/9 @ 9:59 pm #
See what happens in the 2010 midterms.
61% of Americans are positive or neutral on the question of whether their Congressperson should vote for medical reform or not:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122822/Americans-Sharply-Divided-Healthcare-Reform.aspx
I think 2010 will turn out just as well for the Democrats as 2006 and 2008 did.
Maybe even a little bit better.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 10:01 pm #
I think 2010 will turn out just as well for the Democrats as 2006 and 2008 did.
I think that you are psychotic.
Comment by Snowcone on 9/9 @ 10:06 pm #
I think that you are psychotic.
How can the Democrats survive when Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh are against them?
Oh noes!
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 10:06 pm #
Barry: “Those who do have insurance have never had less security and stability than they do today.”
Oh, so the near elimination of polio, measles epidemics, cholera, malaria, and many other diseases to numerous to catalog here gives modern folk less security in their health care than folk of the 1830s, 1880s, 1920s, 1950s even?
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 10:08 pm #
How can the Democrats survive
They won’t.
Even the cooked polls are showing massive congressional losses for the Dems.
Now, take your Haldol and go to bed. You know how grumpy you get at the deep fryer when you haven’t had enough sleep. Also, it’s dangerous to operate complex equipment like that when you’re groggy, or did you sneak out to smoke a bowl during that training video?
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 10:10 pm #
Where the hell is Lamontyoubigdummy tonight? We could use his input on this pile of crapola I think.
Comment by Eben on 9/9 @ 10:19 pm #
Only a mental midget would look at %39 against and %37 for as good news.
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 10:28 pm #
Barry:
What hardened their disdain Barry? Could it be that we have seen administration spokesmen denigrating ordinary Americans who rose to speak up in townhalls across the nation, Barry, claiming those people were the minions of insurance companies, claiming citizens stirred to act were not doing so on their own account but at the behest of nefarious shadow organizations? Could it be that we have seen the Speaker of the House claiming that opponents of your plans were showing up at townhalls wearing swastikas? Swastikas for crying out loud! Could it be that we have seen a Senator from Ca. claim that these same people were too well dressed, that the suits they wore indicated they were paid hirelings sent out to torpedo your noble efforts. Could the dismissal of these voices from the podium of the White House press Secretary have had something to do with that disdain Barry?
Comment by Snowcone on 9/9 @ 10:54 pm #
Even the cooked polls are showing massive congressional losses for the Dems.
Haha, like America’s dumb enough to put the Bush sycophants back in charge.
You guys had your chance and blew it.
Comment by SBP on 9/9 @ 10:59 pm #
Haha, like America’s dumb enough
You’re not an American, dipshit. How would you know?
Comment by gregorbo on 9/9 @ 11:02 pm #
Takedown at Powerline!
http://powerlineblog.com/ (“Obama’s Speech: Dit it Help Him?”)
“This was not, to put it kindly, a speech that was directed at thinking people.”
Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 11:13 pm #
From gregorbo’s PL link (thanks by the way gregorbo), a very important point about Obama’s “plan”:
Comment by gregorbo on 9/9 @ 11:40 pm #
One of my favorite lines from Obama:
“I have insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects. But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers.”
As Hinderaker asks–”Is it churlish to point out that profits are not overhead?”
Is it churlish if Obama has ever taken an economics class? Is it churlish to ask, if he did, if he understood anything about economics?
And, let’s see, “executive salaries.” hmmm. So the ‘public option’ is going to be run by insurance executives who can’t command the big salaries (you know the ones–those Harvard MBA’s that graduated with Bush with C averages) in the private sector and this is going to make the public option run . . . more efficiently?
Oh–and the new “30 million uninsured” as opposed to the 47 million uninsured of, what, yesterday? That’s because Axelrod whispered into the Teloprompter’s ear–”Psst. The 47 million includes 17 million illegal aliens (that we know about) that are already being treated for free in the system, so, whyn’t you cut them out for the moment?”
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Comment by sdferr on 9/9 @ 11:44 pm #
I liked his tribute to Teddy the K: “That large-heartedness – that concern and regard for the plight of others – is not a partisan feeling.”
No, you’re right Pres Obama, it isn’t partisan, it is the feeling of a thief who will accomplish his good deeds with money taken from someone else, the forgotten man.
Comment by gregorbo on 9/9 @ 11:53 pm #
Ha.
[quote] I liked his tribute to Teddy the K: “That large-heartedness – that concern and regard for the plight of others – is not a partisan feeling.”[end quote]
Perhaps it is not a partisan feeling, that “large-heartedness – that concern and regard for the plight of others -” Hell, perhaps it’s not a democratic party feeling. Or even a Teddy the K feeling.
Just as Mary Jo Kopechne.
ba-da-dum. psssshhh.
(Thanks for leaving that one for me, sdferr!)
Comment by takeshi kovacs on 9/9 @ 11:55 pm #
Fire in the hole:
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&viewas=0
Comment by peter jackson on 9/9 @ 11:58 pm #
He lost me at the deficit neutral pitch. That’s code for “I’m going to pay for it by ass-raping you with taxes.” Still, I don’t care how high taxes go, it will double the deficit. I base that on Medicare’s costs outstripping its initial ten-year projection by a factor of twelve.
If you want to know how a future socialized medicine program is going to perform, all you have to do is look at the one(s) we already have.
yours/
peter.
Comment by sdferr on 9/10 @ 12:02 am #
Mike Tanner at the CATO live-blog noted that: “Chip in” sounds much better than “tax.”
Obama:
Comment by gregorbo on 9/10 @ 12:10 am #
That’s funny, peter. He lost me at “I do solemnly swear . . . .”
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/10 @ 2:23 am #
From the Powerline link above, quoting Obama:
[N]ot a dollar of the Medicare trust fund will be used to pay for this plan.
[..]
I
T Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.
Bu
MoAnd, apparently for added effect, Obama had suggested earlier that the “plan” would instead be solidly grounded on premiums paid by the enrollees….who Obama also claims will be paying less in premiums – because of teh Gov’t
price fixing“competition” on cost – than the beleaguered and much Capitalist-abused private ins. payees, who would soon have to join the non-gov’t subsidized plan – which will in fact be mostly subsidized by Medicare but not a dime of taxpayer money – because, Yea, it shall be “illegal’ for private ins. companies to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions [fake applause], thus driving up private premiums to maintain quality care for all those treated by any particular Provider, but certainly not in the case of Obama’s plan….because, Yea, there will be no ugly “overhead” profit or waste and fraud in His plan, which will therefore be “deficit neutral”, especially because any deficit will be automatically lock-box covered by gov’t spending cuts in other areas, since we Americans need to be forced to enact teh Moral Imparative/Social Justice, because we are Americans who do the right thing, just like Teddy did – and not to mention, Yea, Because He Has Spoken!-Just sayin’ also that the outright implausibility and near gibbering nature of Obama’s sad effort toward even a passable histrionic address might rival his multiple lies when it comes to the Nazi, Terrorist, Racist, Redneck, Southerner, Partisan Rethuglican, Theocon, Capitalist Oppressor, Angry White Male, Uncle Tom, etc., = Public’s response to Obama’s wild flailings about, which seemed to be either quite delusional, or else very poorly executed propaganda.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/10 @ 2:26 am #
oops, scratch I,T, Bu, and Mo above. I done got margarinized agin’.
Comment by McGehee on 9/10 @ 7:53 am #
It’s just as well I weren’t paying tribute to the late Sen. Anvilhead. I would have stumbled on “large-heartedness” and said something instead about his liver.
Comment by McGehee on 9/10 @ 7:54 am #
…which had its own gravity well…
Comment by john williams on 9/10 @ 10:35 am #
Below is regarding Joe Wilson, a moronic slimebag
In fact, over his entire congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson’s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics OpenSecrets.org database. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.
Comment by JD on 9/10 @ 10:39 am #
john williams – None of that excuses Barcky lying to Congress. Repeatedly. Brazenly.
Comment by sdferr on 9/10 @ 10:40 am #
So on your sliding scale of Congressional slimebags where does Charles Rangel stand, pray tell?
Comment by Pablo on 9/10 @ 10:41 am #
What does that have to do with Obama being a liar, john? An why does
Comment by JD on 9/10 @ 10:41 am #
The AMA and Pharma have donated hundreds of millions towards Barcky’s plan, john williams. How does that square with your paranoid fantasies?
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 9/10 @ 10:56 am #
F* stupid wingers, what John Wee Wee Williamses is trying to say is … they are the good guys, so anything to them is a good thing.
Its like when Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum learned to fly the alien aircraft in Independence Day. It was a good thing. Now when wingers fly alien aircraft … baaad, baad juju.
Whatever means to the holy end.
Comment by gregorbo on 9/10 @ 11:56 am #
To John Williams @ 10:35am:
Joe Wilson joined the congress in 1984. So, over his “entire congressional career,” he’s received an average of $18,885.84 per year from these sources. Or, twice that if you count only years in which he actually ran for office.
Is that excessive?
Comment by Rusty on 9/10 @ 5:44 pm #
#123
Yeah? Tony Reznick got Barrak Obama a million dollar piece of property for a hundred grand. In Chicago that’s called doing a friend a favor. Tony Reznick got indicted for doing friends a favor.
Comment by Barton on 9/11 @ 6:33 am #
It’s too bad we didn’t have a heated debate like this before the two failed Bush wars.
Comment by JD on 9/11 @ 6:44 am #
STFU, you pig-ignert troll. But thanks for being honest enough to admit, on 9/11 of all days, that you are such a cowardly and craven partisan that you did not even support the war in Afghanistan.
Comment by SBP on 9/11 @ 6:48 am #
I mean, even Teleprompter Jesus supports the war in Offgoneestawwwwwwwwwwwn, right?