Via Donald Douglas at American Power comes the story of a Brazilian ad agency creating for the World Wildlife Fund an unbelievably odious ad attempting to denigrate 9/11:
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It’s enough to turn your stomach. Or, if you’re a New Yorker who lived through the September 11th attacks, give you a serious case of the heebie-jeebies. An ad, purportedly for the World Wildlife Fund in Brazil, although the U.S. WWF has strongly condemned it — that features dozens of airplanes converging on lower Manhattan, with the line “The Tsunami Killed 100 Times More People Than 9/11.” [...]The final line in the ad is “The planet is brutally powerful. Respect it. Preserve it.”
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An ad like this is no big deal for the leftist establishment, and not just in Europe. This stuff is standard fare among the folks at Daily Kos, where they’re known to celebrate “Happy Twin Towers Day.” Moreover, in the non-shocker of the month, the Obama administration is busy with its push to eradicate the historical memory of September 11, which is alleged as a “Republican day and “an obstacle to winning over the hearts and minds of the American people.”
But that’s only part of it. While the Left worldwide is knee-jerk anti-American, there is something else at work in this ad that is both a goal of the Left and a consequence of it. If you asked the people who conceived it, those that applaud it and those that went so far as to bestow awards on this ad if they see a difference in the deaths between the tsunami and 9/11, they’d merely blink in confusion. For them, dead is dead and the most important issue is number. 200,000 vs 3,000. And if you push them, they would admit that the 200,000 “more deserving” of attention because it was poor melanin-enriched people dying.
These are the priorities of the collectivist Left. Economics and class.
That the tsunami is an act of nature, and that the deaths were a horrible tragedy in the traditional sense of the word resonates on the same amoral frequency as the deliberate, coldblooded murders of 3,000 people. The greater quantity of dead people by the tsunami is to be used as a cudgel against those that memorialize 9/11. Look at us! 200,000 dead! ::::snap::: thats for your measly 3,000!
And that’s how a particular evil act is diluted into an economic and political statistic. It’s the same small-hearted response one hears from an anti-death penalty advocate when questioned “what about the victim?” — “they’re dead and never coming back.”
Justice is one of the early victims of the Left, on many levels.
What gets wiped out in collectivist regimes is personal morality. It has to be. The sense of individuals to be responsible for themselves and to help their family and friends becomes impossible to do when all needs are ostensibly met by the Omnipotent State. Death by accident, death by murder – how or why you died is less important than what your usefulness to the state was.
From Mary Jo to the victims of 9/11, it is all one of a piece — how do you serve the narrative?
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UPDATE: The print award this ad won has disappeared from the link above with no explanation. Luckily, I found a screenshot.
WWF lawyers are busy, and I’m linking to their press release. However, I’m not going to remove the ad because it speaks to something greater than just the WWF — it goes to the mindset of those that would conceive it and those that would honor it with an award.
Comment by SDN on 9/2 @ 3:39 am #
Kipling reminds us this is not new for the left:
Comment by Carin on 9/2 @ 3:55 am #
I’m just working up my anger over the 9/11 thing. Wasn’t that one of the first thing Obama signed? In office two minutes and his hijacks 9/11.
Comment by No one you know on 9/2 @ 4:03 am #
Doesn’t the left want to refer to terrorist attacks as “Man caused disasters?”
Comment by alppuccino on 9/2 @ 4:12 am #
Charlie Rangel’s hair looks like it survived a Tsunami.
/tie in
Comment by Rich Cox on 9/2 @ 4:45 am #
While the image is tasteless, the point is truthful, and reminds me of the George Carlin bit.
In general, this ad proves its own counterpoint. The planet is powerful. It will kill. And we are the height of egotism to think we can freeze it into our view of what it should be.
Comment by Rusty on 9/2 @ 5:00 am #
I suppose that if the left can rerduce the homicide of MJK as some sort of political rite of passage then ths only makes sense. It is stupifyingly crass, but what does the left do that isn’t? WWLF eh. I hope all their pandas get eaten.
Comment by B Moe on 9/2 @ 5:25 am #
Boy Howdy! Get dangerously close to hate speech right there.
Comment by Joe on 9/2 @ 5:40 am #
As offensive as that ad is, it is also amazingly revealing about those who promote it. Clarifying.
I did hear about the press conference for the Flight 93 memorial. Are they still doing a “Crescent of Shame” or buidling a mosque or some other ridiculous nonsense at that site, or are they honoring the passengers who fought back against the terrorists and saved Washington DC from a flying missile?
Comment by Tom on 9/2 @ 6:00 am #
That’s why I can never be a liberal, leftist or fascist. I don’t do moral equivalency, which is a key ingredient in leftist nonsense.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 6:14 am #
“One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic.”
-Joseph Stalin
Comment by serr8d on 9/2 @ 6:41 am #
Dumb fucks, at the ‘ad agency’, equivalencing a swarm of planes converging on NYC to ‘Earth’s Elementals’. Apples and oranges are more closely related.
Comment by DarthRove on 9/2 @ 6:55 am #
This certainly does help to stoke the flames of anger at 9/11. And the progg mindset in general that produced this deathporn in the first place.
Slightly OT: Why is it that all the biggest progg policies involve hordes of other people dying in huge numbers, or suffering then dying in huge numbers?
Comment by SBP on 9/2 @ 7:06 am #
Some updates at the second link: the WWF now claims that was a spec ad, done without their knowledge or consent, and which was rejected by them without ever being published.
The ad agency says:
Comment by mcgruder on 9/2 @ 7:08 am #
This kind of stuff is actually a big break for us.
All that reveals the left’s true colors is good.
It’s a shame that it took Obama’s ripping apart America to remind us what a movement of filth the left is.
To be fair, there are many who never forgot or misunderstood.
Comment by JD on 9/2 @ 7:12 am #
SBP – And we are supposed to believe that? They really do think we are stupid, don’t they?
Comment by sdferr on 9/2 @ 7:12 am #
This advertises the renewed respect of the world for America brought on by Barack Obama’s smart diplomacy how, exactly?
Comment by serr8d on 9/2 @ 7:13 am #
Obama appointed Van Jones, an avowed communist and post-9/11 America denouncer, as ‘Green Czar’. Post-9/11 denouncement…well…I wonder why Baracky would approve of that sort of talk?
Comment by McGehee on 9/2 @ 7:13 am #
I’m with Rich Cox on this. Nature is far more powerful than man could ever hope to be. Thus all this panic about man-caused climate change…?
This ad leads people to think along lines counterproductive to the WWF’s views. No wonder they’ve disavowed it.
Comment by JD on 9/2 @ 7:17 am #
Amen, mcgruder. I remember a time where I was pretty nasty towards you. No, it is true, I can be mean sometimes ;-) But I am proud to say that I was wrong about mcgruder.
Comment by Darleen on 9/2 @ 7:20 am #
SBP
The ad agency released the ad enough that it won an award … which, my link above, has now mysteriously disappeared from the award site. Crap, I should have grabbed a screen shot.
I’m less concerned that WWF didn’t run it then I am by the mentality that created it and applauded it.
Comment by Salt Lick on 9/2 @ 7:27 am #
While the image is tasteless, the point is truthful
I have to agree. In fact, I am presently photoshopping an image of Martin Luther King, Jr’s head in crosshairs, with the caption, “Abortion has killed thousands more than James Earl Ray.”
Comment by SDN on 9/2 @ 7:29 am #
“From Mary Jo to the victims of 9/11, it is all one of a piece — how do you serve the narrative?”
And this is a prime example of why becoming “eliminationalist” with the Left is a sane response. They’ve already made the decision that if you don’t support them, you don’t matter. If you have to die to be useful, hey, omelets, eggs, it’s all good.
Because they will not coexist with us, we can’t coexist with them.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 7:39 am #
Where to begin..?
First, the use of innocent deaths, especially in 9/11 style terrorist attacks, to underscore an environmentalism ad? is a real head scratcher when it comes to a marketing concept. The planet is brutal, like a terrorist? Or, can a seismically driven tsunami be premeditated? It is a real stretch of an analogy or equivalence, at best!
But lets face it. This is a slap in the face, and a direct assault on the idea of American Exceptionalism as well downplaying the whole 9/11 episode altogether; and in doing so question the legitimacy as well as register their discontent with the ongoing war on terror (even if under another name these days). They seem to be trying to cleverly say-without-actually-saying that Americans have no right to be outraged, or even concerned about the terrorist attacks, and residual threats, to our nation. After all, 3000+ dead Americans are simply no big deal compared to the number of people that die in natural disasters. In fact, it seems that they are trying to further imply that the tsunami was somehow brought about through human fault or neglect. These is an example of the same shoddy thinking that left-wing liberals bring to bear when they employ moral realativism and equivalences; and as always it leads to seeming non-sequiters…
For all thinking people it is easy to understand that tsunami’s are consequences of undersea seismic events, and are in no way caused by people. Furthermore, using insurance industry parlance, tsunamis are “acts of God”; truly random occurrances whose timing, strength, and ultimate effects are not easily predicted. And this is where their attempts to be clever falls flat on it’s face.
Far from being an act of God, the attacks on 9/11 were the acts of hate filled people bent on inflicting deaths upon innocent people in the US, ostensibly in the name of religion and on behalf of all those “victims” that somehow suffered at our hands in the Arab world. It was a cowardly assault that tried to avenge countless other defeats in ways that they could not through direct military action; because they were a trans-national shadow organization and represented no single nation state. Far from being a random, unpredictable event this was cold-blooded premeditated murder!
To not see these crucial differences easily reveals either a fundamental level of stupidity that is breathtaking or a hate for America and Americans that is equally breathtaking; my guess is the latter. All Americans should cancel any memberships they hold with this organization, or be ready to be identified as being in league with thise who hate us, our nation, and what it stands for.
Comment by Darleen on 9/2 @ 7:43 am #
Oh, btw the way, the planet is not “brutal”. There is no intent or motive, the planet just is. “Respecting” it means nothing to nature. I wish people would stop anthropomorphizing things. Any “respect” we have about nature is really just being honest with ourselves over what nature IS.
Again, accidental/natural death is a tragedy, murder is evil. There is a world of difference between dying of a heart attack and having someone step out of the bushes and shoot you through the heart.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 7:58 am #
Seems like just yesterday there was another set of “fake” ads…no, wait. It was this May. Clio awards and everything.
I think I hate these people as much as they hate us.
Comment by SarahW on 9/2 @ 8:01 am #
“Oh, btw the way, the planet is not “brutal”. There is no intent or motive, the planet just is. “Respecting” it means nothing to nature. I wish people would stop anthropomorphizing things. Any “respect” we have about nature is really just being honest with ourselves over what nature IS.”
Thanks for that. You’d think people that scoff at the divine would scoff at earth-worship and animism. Man may have poor powers to alter the forces of Nature but aren’t we supposed to be beyond the point where we think it’s personal?
Comment by sdferr on 9/2 @ 8:04 am #
Accidental or natural death is not a tragedy, though it be a saddening and painful event for the dead’s loved ones.
The story of Achilles wrath is a tragedy. “Oedipus Rex” is a tragedy. The consequences unseen of (even noble) actions taken, most especially consequences that flow back to the initiating actor to bite him hard enough that he can recognize his own handiwork, these are the elements of tragedy.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 8:08 am #
Make that “…killed millions more blacks than…” and you’ll be juicier and more accurate.
Comment by DarthRove on 9/2 @ 8:09 am #
But … but … Gaia!!!!!!111!11!!11!
She so delicate and sensitive, the coal smoke kills her. She’s just fighting back! It’s planetary self-defense!
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 8:25 am #
Rich Cox,
Like a “carbon tax” is going to stop “man-made
global warmingclimate change”.Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 8:30 am #
The collectivist “liberal” left sees no difference even then. How long have they been claiming “society is to blame”? Since the 1950s?
Comment by Freedoms Truth on 9/2 @ 8:46 am #
“Doesn’t the left want to refer to terrorist attacks as “Man caused disasters?””
Let’s reserve that label for the Obama Administration.
Comment by Chris S. on 9/2 @ 8:56 am #
I think this ad, by contrasting the two events, helps to remind us who caused BOTH events to happen. It was Bush and/or the Jews depending on how you lean.
That being said, I think this ad does a horrible disservice to the dedicated men and women that worked hard to create the device that caused the Tsunami. Nature is brutal my a**!
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[...] ongoing leftist crusade to delegitimize 9/11 [...]
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:05 am #
I got it!
The US caused the tsunami.
Like with nukes or something.
Right?
Right?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:09 am #
“Make that “…killed millions more blacks than…” and you’ll be juicier and more accurate.”
Somewhere, Margaret Sanger is smiling.
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:11 am #
the Obama administration is busy with its push to eradicate the historical memory of September 11
Pure paranoid wingnut fantasy.
Of course, every wingnut knows 200,000 brown-skinned people can never equal 3000 Americans, especially after what we see it did for Bush.
Olberman was right and the polls prove it. 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush’s poll numbers.
The ironic this is, it happened on his watch, the worst attack on America ever. After being warned 40 times,/a>, Bush takes a month vacation… and what was on his agenda at Crawford during this time? The stem cell wedge issue. Fuck America, protect those stem cells, baby Bush!
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:13 am #
oooooh, BUNNIES!
Comment by A fine scotch on 9/2 @ 9:13 am #
Please ignore the appropriately-named Stinkfinger.
As young Lt. Daniel Kaffee said, “She has no point. She often has no point. It’s part of her charm.”
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 9:13 am #
I greatly fear my Indig-No-Meter® barely registers this one. Perhaps the bearings have been damaged a bit.
On the Sullivan Scale (which is logarithmic, to save bandwidth without having to use powers of ten) this comes in at about 2.1 — might maybe notice something if especially sensitive or it’s real quiet otherwise.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:13 am #
Did you know that Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Democrat?
Comment by A fine scotch on 9/2 @ 9:14 am #
Oh, and 41 applies to 39 as well.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:15 am #
Take that finger out of your mouth! You don’t know where that finger has been!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:17 am #
“9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush’s poll numbers.”
Wow, that’s reaching retarded marmoset territory.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 9:24 am #
39. Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:11 am #
It’s too early for that much “moral equivalent” douchewater.
BOOOOSH!
911 happened on Clinton’s watch numbnuts. But Duby’a never blamed him, unlike Captain Cry Baby “We inherited everything! Boo hoo hoo *sniffle*” Radical McSpendypants.
Of course, every wingnut knows 200,000 brown-skinned people can never equal 3000 Americans, especially after what we see it did for Bush.
3,000 were murdered jackass. 200,000 died in a natural disaster (and not a “man-made” one). Face it. Gaia hates brown people. Oh, and who were the first and damn near ONLY responders to the tsunami? Wait for it…the US NAVY & USMC.
Olberman was right…
Bwaaahaahaa!!
Ok, that’s enough. You pick up your plate and march your ass down to the kiddie table.
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:25 am #
“9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush’s poll numbers.”
Wow, that’s reaching retarded marmoset territory.
In your face -NO Brain:
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/2 @ 9:31 am #
I hear that the corrected ad is going to show OBL, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Karl Marx, etc., and Barak Obama flying the planes, with God as His co-pilot.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:32 am #
so?
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 9:36 am #
Yeah, that Olbermann is a sharp one.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:38 am #
“In your face -NO Brain:”
A juvenile retarded marmoset.
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:38 am #
9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush’s poll numbers
so?
And lying America into the one of the most expensive wars in American history was Bush’s second best boost in poll numbers.
Ironically, half of the money spent on these wars is being borrowed from China and Japan. Half the current American deficit is being tied directly to the ‘war on terrah.’
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:39 am #
so you didn’t actually have a point. oh well.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:41 am #
“And lying America into the one of the most expensive wars in American history..”
TWO!
TWO!
TWO LIES IN ONE!
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:42 am #
heh. is the implication that Bush did things solely to boost his poll numbers? cause that didn’t go so well.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 9:43 am #
9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush’s poll numbers
so?
Exactly. I wanna try some Theas logic. Get my learn on so’s not to be such a stupid winger.
FDR, is the touchstone of modern day progressives like Theas. Why, the media and the left (sorry, repeating myself) gave us countless reasons why Obama was the second coming of FDR.
Hmmmm.
Last I checked, Pearl Harbor happened on FDR’s “watch”. Next day he gave a rather rousing speech (“Day that will live in infamy” & whatnot), and then, you know, declared fucking war.
His poll numbers went through the roof!
Just like Bush, right Theas?
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:44 am #
The point is that very early in Bush’s tenure, he saw that fear stoked his polls numbers. Fear of al Qaeda, fear of Saddam and his mushroom clouds. And some people are still stupid enough to buy that shit. You know, the ‘deathers’? We gotta torture because that ‘makes us safe’? We gotta fear the black socialist babykiller in the white house? Sound familiar?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:46 am #
“The point is that very early in Bush’s tenure, he saw that fear stoked his polls numbers.”
Here, The Ass, you’re gonna need one of these:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:47 am #
so what happened that he and/or “fear” quit working?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:48 am #
“Fear of al Qaeda…”
Here’s a question: how many people had ever ever HEARD of al Queda before the terrorist attack of 9/11?
So, another lie.
Comment by ignatov on 9/2 @ 9:48 am #
It’s amazing how the rejected work of an obscure Brazilian ad agency can reveal the evil heart of the Democratic Party. Is there anything that doesn’t reveal that?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 9:48 am #
And lying America into the one of the most expensive wars in American history was Bush’s second best boost in poll numbers.
Well to be fair Bush should thank the UK, France, Germany, Israel, Egypt, Australia, the Saudi’s, and Jordan for that second boost…cuz their intel agencies apparently all lied about Iraq as well.
Now, watch this drive.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:49 am #
sure. kinda like “we gotta pass this stimulus RIGHT NOW!!!! NO TIME TO READ IT! PASS IT!” same with Health “Care” reform, oh wait, it’s “insurance” reform now, isn’t it?
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:49 am #
Last I checked, Pearl Harbor happened on FDR’s “watch”. Next day he gave a rather rousing speech (”Day that will live in infamy” & whatnot), and then, you know, declared fucking war.
His poll numbers went through the roof!
Just like Bush, right Theas?
Ahhh… not exactly chump. Japan and Germany actually had armies.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:49 am #
“Is there anything that doesn’t reveal that?”
The main-stream media.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:50 am #
LOOK! BUNNIES!
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:50 am #
so, only armies can kill people?
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 9:51 am #
PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM NO HEALTH CARE! I mean, INSURANCE!!!!
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 9:51 am #
And we also see what Bush did for them, while the UN diddled itself and the Eurotrash wagged their fingers.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:52 am #
Arnold Palmer had an army.
Comment by Snowcone on 9/2 @ 9:53 am #
There’s no such thing as bad publicity.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 9:53 am #
The Messiah is reflected in everything, ignatov.
LOL @ #66.
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:54 am #
so what happened that he and/or “fear” quit working?
You know exactly what happened. Far more US died and were maimed in Iraq than on 9/11. It took a while but Americans relaiszed they’d been lied to … and now Bush’s lies are documented for history on an official government website: http://oversight.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 9:54 am #
KISS had one too. They rocked.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:54 am #
“There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”
Then why do the Democrats want to stifle the debate about health care…er…insurance reform?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:56 am #
“It took a while but Americans relaiszed they’d been lied to…”
Two more lies.
The Ass is on a roll, baby.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 9/2 @ 9:56 am #
I’m looking at this ad as a good thing. No ones going to bitch about me turning the swamp in my back field into a figure 8 dirt track if they think the freaking swamp is going to up and kill them. And believe me. It would. I’ve seen the damn thing eat an entire set of used tires, one old Kenmore washer and a four year old. Well, we got the four year old out. But that washer never worked again.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 9:56 am #
So sayeth Nostrildamus! Snap!
Really, they let Waxman post stuff on the internet? Whose idea was that?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 9:58 am #
IT’S ON A WEB SITE!!!! IT HAAAAASSSS TO BE TRUE!!!!!!
Dude, you’re sounding like a Truther now.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 9:58 am #
“The point is that very early in Bush’s tenure, he saw that fear stoked his polls numbers.”
As opposed to Obama threatening Wall Street with pitchforks, threatening citizens with union thugs and a Stazi website, scary, eveil profit mongering, tonsil stealing, fot-chopper-offer doctors, and OMG! OMG! We HAVE to pass this gazillion dollar, economy crushing, government turd thingy…OR WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Oh yeah, and we have to buy GM & Chrysler too.
Nope. No fear mongering there. And Obama has been in office what 7 months?
I agree Theas. The point is that very early in
Bush’sObama’s tenure, he saw that fear stoked his polls numbers. Except…then everybody caught on to the bullshit and they tanked.Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:00 am #
“…then everybody caught on to the bullshit and they tanked.”
And the little boy fell out of bed and woke up…..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 10:00 am #
Really, they let Waxman post stuff on the internet? Whose idea was that?
The official document on Bush lies has only been up on the net and public record for 5 years. Of course you wouldn’t know that living in Limbaugh/Fox land.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 10:00 am #
Bush would have polled much higher,on average, than he did throughout his terms if the indignant smear machine hadn’t begun the diminishing him before inauguratiobn day…
First it was all the “selected, not elected” BS, then hand wringing over the very same economy that had been called “Booming!” when Billy Jeff was in office. After a respectful interlude in the weeks following 9/11, the outrage machine went back into high gear, preparing for the next election in 2004…
That’s when you all cooked up that BS about “Lying us into war!”. Well, on day 3 the Marines uncovered az stash of 20 Al-Hussein missles, specially modified for long range flights, that he swore to Allah he didn’t have. And, while no cache’s have been found to date, chemical tests of the Euphrates river following the occupation of Bagdad revealed trace levels of Serin, and other chemical weapons elements…
A fluke? or bad set of tests? Maybe…
But Saddam was willing to lie about missles he didn’t have, why wouldn’t he die the same about the chemical agents to arm them with…
Anyway, the missles were enough to justify the invasion, based on him posessing weapons that had been forbidden…
Now take your lame-assed list of old talking points and hit it, you’re a rank propagandist and an amateur at that!
Soros should get a refund from you…
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 10:01 am #
Uh, hello! Remember the good war? The one we’re losing? They’re apparently fairly well armed and organized. Why did we go after them again, Theass?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:02 am #
Oooo oooo….
Here’s something to make The Ass’ head explode:
“From Preparedness to Appeasement”
By Victor Davis Hanson
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTA1MDg3NmI2ZWMwMTBiMTNhNjhmYzRmYjNmYmIwZDY=
Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 10:03 am #
IT’S ON A WEB SITE!!!! IT HAAAAASSSS TO BE TRUE!!!!!!
Not just a website, an offical House of Representatives government committee website, douchebag. Note the .gov ??
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:04 am #
“The official document on Bush lies has only been up on the net and public record for 5 years.”
Ummm, so why wasn’t President Bush impeached?
Clinton was impeached for lying, so sauce goose gander, you know.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 10:04 am #
The date is at the top of the document, Forrest. It’s just 3 lines north of “PREPARED FOR REP. HENRY A. WAXMAN”. Which is what makes it official, right?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:06 am #
“Note the .gov ??”
Note the lies?
Comment by Squid on 9/2 @ 10:08 am #
Why is it that these guys keep using Bush as a punching bag in order to defend and deflect criticism away from a guy who has maintained or expanded all of Bush’s most controversial policies?
Troops in Iraq? Check.
Troops in Afghanistan? More than ever!
Guantanamo? Open for business!
Deficit spending? Quadruple the amount we used to complain about!
Eavesdropping on citizens? Yup!
Politicizing law enforcement departments? You betcha!
Stilted, disjointed public speaking? Um, er, well, let me be clear — yes!
Trolls: your guy is doing the exact same things as the guy you railed against for the better part of the last decade. In a number of high-profile areas, he’s doing even worse! I realize that you think we’re all too dim to notice this, but we’re not. And it just makes you look stupid when you willfully blind yourselves to this undeniable truth.
Please, just stop before you embarrass yourselves further. Honestly, you’re making me feel bad about myself, like when I used to watch the drooling knuckle-draggers on Jerry Springer.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:08 am #
Basically, The Ass’ “offical House of Representatives government committee website” report maybe could be used for toilet paper. Depending on the paper it was printed on.
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 10:09 am #
Hey, gang! It’s official! America Does Not Need Government Run Health Care
.gov, bitches!
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 10:09 am #
Hey, it cites Joe Wilson, so shut up.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/2 @ 10:10 am #
You know, the ‘deathers’? We gotta torture because that ‘makes us safe’?
You know, the progressive Deathworshippers, “We gotta don’t torture because that can hopychangy make us all dead, which alone can validate our suicidal-homocidal Values.” Na nana na na…..
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 10:11 am #
“Not just a website, an offical House of Representatives government committee website, douchebag. Note the .gov ??”
LMAO. “Official,” huh? *snicker*
.gov? So are flag@whitehouse & Organizing for America.
Comment by Eben on 9/2 @ 10:14 am #
The stooopid is strong in this one…
Comment by Pablo on 9/2 @ 10:17 am #
No, it wasn’t fear. Bush had the highest approval rating any president has ever had because America was highly pissed off, not because it was afraid.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 10:17 am #
Theas,
That document you posted was one prepared especially for Waxman so that he could use it to try and embarass Booooooosh! during the election ‘04 campaign. It is not the findings of any comittee, but essentially a term paper that Waxman thought his name would add credibility to…
I see that it helped John “Lurch” Kerry win the White House handily that year…
Oh, wait…
Waxman’s attempts at vilifying Boooooosh! were kinda undercut by the fact that all the major intelligence services of the world were saying that Saddam had WMD and would soon be on his way to getting nuke…
And what about all that yellow-cake uranium he bought that Boooooosh! had shipped to Canada last year? A bomb, no; but easily the makings of a “dirty” nuclear device. And Saddam had more than 500 metric tons of it!
Pinko palavering putz…
Comment by geoffb on 9/2 @ 10:21 am #
Take out “planet” insert whatever fetish god is to be worshiped by all. This is a basic part of the cult of the Left. It is the power that is worshiped not the thing that has the power at the moment.
There are those both of the left, and not, who care about “the environment”. Their concerns are to be guided to goals, ends, that are seen as desirable for the true environmentalists but are also a means of seizing more power for those to whom power is the only goal and any means to get there is good.
Comment by cranky-d on 9/2 @ 10:24 am #
I forget who pointed out before that troll infestations occur when you are discussing something they know is damaging. My guess is, this might have some legs.
Comment by cranky-d on 9/2 @ 10:28 am #
If nothing else, they KNOW it represents the thinking of many of their fellow travelers, “rejected” or not.
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/2 @ 10:29 am #
Pablo: Waxman’s attempts at vilifying Boooooosh! were kinda undercut by the fact that all the major intelligence services of the world were saying that Saddam had WMD and would soon be on his way to getting nuke…
But only Boooosh The Omniscient knew there were none. Hell, he even convinced Saddam Hussein, then boldly invaded in order to prove his Omniscience to all!
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 9/2 @ 10:38 am #
Booosh 9/11 ignore >>> stem cells >>> 9/11
Boosh post 9/11 racism >>> fear polling good >>> no equivalence to FDR, Japan had an army
Lying America into war >>> polls great or maybe not >>> don’t forget the Defecits >>> Partisan democrat paper is proof
That is todays summary of The Ass’s turdlets
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 10:39 am #
“The planet is brutally powerful”…
But the enviro-twits think they can bend it to their will with enough $$ and crippling regulation? Oh, and windmills? Riiiiight.
On the other hand if we stupid little man-monkeys are supposedly fucking it up just by sittin’ around, how “brutally powerful” can the planet be?
Al Gore flew his G-5 from his house up the street to the 7-11 to get some ranch dressing…but, when he gets back, I’m gonna ask him.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:42 am #
“to get some ranch dressing…”
Diet?
Comment by Snowcone on 9/2 @ 10:48 am #
Then why do the Democrats want to stifle the debate about health care…er…insurance reform?
John McCain is the one booting the shrieking baboons out of his town halls.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 10:48 am #
He doesn’t need to diet N.O. Al’s date everywhere he goes is the planet Earth. Causes a nice slimming effect. I mean, Gaia is one big bitch. You gotta be on the moon to see all of her.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:51 am #
“John McCain is the one booting the shrieking baboons out of his town halls.”
There were union members there?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 10:51 am #
John McCain is the one booting the shrieking baboons out of his town halls.
Yeah, he kicked those HCAN jokers right the hell out!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 10:52 am #
Ah, N.O, great minds think alike.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 10:52 am #
This is fun:
“Why the Obama Administration Will Implode In Weeks”
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/01/kevin-mccullough-obama-implode/?storytab=story-detail
Comment by J. "Trashman" Peden on 9/2 @ 10:53 am #
Pablo: Bush had the highest approval rating any president has ever had because America was highly pissed off, not because it was afraid.
No, no, no, a thousand times. No one can see a threat strictly rationally, then respond to it rationally, absent holy fear. Instead there must be only fear, panic, then wild flailing out at the Other, esp. the “brown people”, in order to “get the oil”. That’s what Progressives do at any pretext and opportunity concerning rich white guys and their riches, so it must be the same for all! After all, It is Written upon their Blank Slates by The Waxmans, so it is and must be so.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 9/2 @ 10:53 am #
You’d think people that scoff at the divine
It’s not about rejecting divinity, it’s about finding a god(dess) we like.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/2 @ 10:57 am #
Like Ric, my outrage supply has been depleted (possibly by the retarded trolls in this joint sucking out all my outrage. The only thing I find instructive is that this test campaign won an industry award in 2009. Wasn’t Dear Leader going to bathe the world in unicorn farts and sweeten everyone’s disposition until we weren’t the Great Satan anymore? Didn’t Brazil get the memo? Does He have to go to Rio and apologise in person to them too, for stealing all their nuts?
Comment by Squid on 9/2 @ 11:07 am #
Will he take off his shoes when he does it?
Sorry, sorry. I denounce myself.
Comment by McGehee on 9/2 @ 11:14 am #
Sad, isn’t it then, that it ever got made. Apparently rational persons are a minority — especially among the proglodyte left.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 11:18 am #
Like Ric, my outrage supply has been depleted (possibly by the retarded trolls in this joint sucking out all my outrage).
Meh. Our trolls suck and, besides, outrage is their thing not ours.
As an aside; I’ve always felt sarcasm needed it’s own font.
Also, every keyboard should have a “point & laugh” character.
Comment by royf on 9/2 @ 11:31 am #
Hey tehass here’s some quotes for you about Iraq.
“Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that…” John Kerry, Dec 15, 2003
“I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country, and I think Iraq and Saddam Hussein present the most serious and most imminent threat. “John Edwards, Feb 24, 2002
Notice what I highlighted this was the only mention of “imminent threat” during the build up for the Iraq War. That is something President Bush never said, are these lies as well tehass? Hey I could list dozens and dozens of Dems spouting the same “lies” but what is the point. tehass isn’t interested in facts just propaganda.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 11:31 am #
Sad, isn’t it then, that it ever got made. Apparently rational persons are a minority — especially among the proglodyte left.
You know the craziest thing? This ad ran in only one country and it wasn’t Brazil. Where did this award winning add that equates “climate change” to TERRORISM run you ask?
Israel.
Now get up from your chair, go get a coke or something, come back, sit down, and read that again.
Fucking Israel. The terrorism event capitol of the world.
Un. Real.
“Dear Israelis, screw the tens of thousands of you Jew folk slaughtered by terrorists over the years, and screw the few thousand Norte Americanos murdered and/or forced to jump to their deaths on 9/11. Gaia is brutal and powerful and will kill you all with tsunamis and shit if you don’t do exactly what we say. -Sincerely, World Wildlife Fund/Brazil”
Comment by royf on 9/2 @ 11:44 am #
And tehass who was President when the elimination of Saddam Hussein became official US Policy? Here are a few hints.
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
So tehass was President Bush relying of false intelligence from the Clinton Administration?
And just a few more lies from Dems.
“Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction . So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
So what say you tehass can we assume these are lies as well? Oh and I highlighted what Waxman had to say in 2002, was he lying as well?
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 11:57 am #
#80
After the laughable bullshit he’s posted on this thread, I’m quite convinced he IS a Troofer. The only question is, is he MIHOP or LIHOP?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 11:57 am #
121. Comment by royf on 9/2 @ 11:44 am #
Well played, sir.
Except I think Theas & Snowcone “dropped the phone & ran away” a while ago.
Our trolls suck.
You could go post that comment in some random thread @ DU or DailyKos and explode some heads Scanners style before they, ya know, delete it.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 12:02 pm #
Re: my #122
Case in point:
I think that is a direct quote from Loose Change.
Comment by royf on 9/2 @ 12:05 pm #
123 Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 11:57 am
Thanks and I apologize for the long posts but I get sooo tired of being told by the leftist zombies that I don’t know the facts. Hell facts are their worst enemy, its why they spend so much time trying to re-write history. They are all a bunch of lying fucks.
Comment by alppuccino on 9/2 @ 12:10 pm #
Not just a website, an offical House of Representatives government committee website,
Or, in other words, Theas’s thought repository.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 12:11 pm #
The Left will continue to attempt to re-write history until the rest of us accept their version of it. It may take a generation or two, maybe more, but they will not give up. Ever.
Tenure has its advantages…
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 12:12 pm #
Here’s another ad created by the same art director, lest suggest that these idiots simply made an innocent, non-political mistake.
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 12:13 pm #
should read: lest anyone suggest
Pingback by Bush Lied on 9/2 @ 12:28 pm #
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Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 12:31 pm #
Oooh…the link @ #112 was delicious.
Wanna dip my balls in it.
TEA BAGGIN’ BABY!
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 12:32 pm #
Big thanks to you, royf.
Since I have a Pub login, and for the convenience of the commentariat, I have taken the liberty of lifting royf’s post intact (with a couple of very minor copyedits) and posting it at the Pub, where it will be easily available in the future.
The next time Theas or one of his ilk[1] shows up with the “Bush lied about WMD!” talking point, simply link http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2939 or go there and copy&paste.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 12:33 pm #
[1]Ilk! He said ilk! Jeff hates hates hates that word! Ban him!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 12:37 pm #
Here’s another ad created by the same art director, lest suggest that these idiots simply made an innocent, non-political mistake.
So I’m guessing that same guy didn’t do this one?
Comment by alppuccino on 9/2 @ 12:43 pm #
and if you could follow that up with all of Obama’s lies, you’d have a two-fer.
Comment by alppuccino on 9/2 @ 12:47 pm #
Heck, I’ll start with the Obama comparables:
1. “I’m an American”
2. “I’m a Harvard grad”
3. “I’ve authored 2 books”
4. “I barely know Bill Ayers”
5. “I never heard Rev. Wright say anything like that!”
6. “I love my Grandma.”
7. “I’m the father of my children.”
8. “I’m not a racist.”
9. “I’ll end racism in America.”
10. “I have lots of white friends.”
Comment by alppuccino on 9/2 @ 12:48 pm #
I may have stuck a couple extras in there.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/2 @ 12:59 pm #
11. I didn’t run for President to kill your grandmother”
well, it happened anyway, Barack.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 1:08 pm #
#134 Lamont
ROTFLMAO!
Mad may not be what it once was, but I see they still have the spark.
Comment by Timstigator on 9/2 @ 1:11 pm #
I’m in the ad business, on the creative side, and I never fit in politically with this uber-liberal crowd. Makes me think “conservative creative” is either an oxymoron or just plain nonsense. Funny how so many creatives assume you’re as liberal as the next guy.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 1:16 pm #
1. “I’m an
AmericanKenyan” (Kidding, kidding)2. “I’m a Harvard grad as far as you know” (but I ain’t releasing shit to prove it)
3. “I’ve co-authored 2 books”
4. “I barely know Bill Ayers” (my friend, neighbor, babysitter, and, well…see #3)
5. “I never heard Rev. Wright say anything like that!” (My story and I’m sticking to it)
6. “I love my Grandma.” (Typical white bitch that she was)
7. “I’m the father of my children.” (I actually had sex with that giant Klingon warrior, Michelle)
8. “I’m not a racist.” (I only hate white folk)
9. “I’ll end racism in America.” (Except for hatin’ on honkeys)
10. “I have lots of white friends.” (I also know this one Jew pretty well)
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 1:23 pm #
I am too Timstigator, but there are more wingers in the business than you think. I know a lot of em’ but most just keep it quiet because politics are far more personal to leftards and they just don’t want to deal with it.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 1:23 pm #
Spiny, might I suggest this for continued enjoyment.
Gotten me through many of crappy work days laughing.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 9/2 @ 1:30 pm #
Here’s another ad
Funny you click over one and you see the same ad but with George Washington and Hugh Grant in the Blender, with Slick Willy in the cup. Funny things are the comments. Mostly the same crowd that was yukking it up about the Bush ad saying that the Clinton one was not funny, doesn;t cut it, misses the mark, etc.
Abe and Tim – you guys have more devotion than I to stick with a career that is populated by leftist retards. I would have gone AWOL a long time ago. I’m glad for the oil industry, we do not suffer liberals in this business.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 1:30 pm #
Abe…Timstigator…did one of you two creative ad guys come up with this?
Not exactly the “Joker” poster, but very nice.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 1:32 pm #
Speaking of polls:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/02/pew-congressional-favorability-at-24-year-low/
Comment by dicentra on 9/2 @ 1:43 pm #
You’d think people that scoff at the divine would scoff at earth-worship and animism.
Instead, scoffing at the divine often causes earth-worship and animism. That religious impulse has to go somewhere, so why not worship something that makes no moral demands, no cleansing of the heart, but only material ritual and sacrifice, only some moments of being awed by grandeur?
More cheap grace for the Left, but that’s what they’re for in the first place, isn’t it?
Wow, that’s reaching retarded marmoset territory.
No cheap insults on retarted marmosets, plzkthx. I think they’re Qte.
Oh look! This one has a .gov domain, too!
What first-term president is stoopid enough to lie about WMDs but then allow himself to be caught in the lie? Shouldn’t Bush have arranged for the “discovery” of some WMDs? And if Bush wasn’t smart enough for that, surely Cheney and Rove were?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 1:48 pm #
I’m glad for the oil industry, we do not suffer liberals in this business.
And it’s not just that you’re raping Gaia in the oil fields and the liberals don’t wanna come. It’s the job description. I honestly think Old TX Turkey has inadvertently discovered a way to keep liberals out of various industries.
Updated “Oil Field” type Interview for all US Companies
- Explain the following to prospect employee:
1.) “We offer a more than competitive paycheck and excellent benefits here.”
2.) “You will sweat your ass off on this job. Real sweat. This job is both physically and mentally demanding.”
3.) [point to anything heavy and suspended in the room] “If you fuck up in any way, that thing will fall on you and kill you.”
Result: Less liberals in workforce = more prosperous America
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 2:01 pm #
Lamont,
The rest of your handle is apropos. In short, that’s bullshit.
That’s exactly what’s been happening for a long, long time. Rich people find ways to flaunt their wealth. When it’s individuals, they do it with fancy cars and big boats and great big houses with immaculately kept lawns — conspicuous consumption. (Once upon a time, they did it by getting fat — poor people couldn’t afford to get fat. Nowadays they do it by being ostentatiously thin and “buff”, because people who work for a living can’t afford to spend two hours a day at Gold’s.)
When it’s a rich society, they flaunt their wealth by creating useless jobs, most notably college professors, musicians, artists, and the like. People who have no function, and no ability to provide a productive function, get to have well-paid positions because they’re evidence that the society can afford them. Think of william, for instance, as the left tailfin on a pink ‘59 Cadillac.
Unfortunately the process has now reached the climax point. That’s a forest analogy; a climax forest is one that’s become so choked with growth, undergrowth, parasites, etc. that it can’t grow any more, and the only thing it can do is hang in there until a big fire blows it back to the soil and start over. The equivalent in society is where we are now. The useless people have their hands on the controls, and since (1) they know they’re useless or counterproductive and (2) they get supported anyway, it follows that the people supporting them are clueless rubes whose only value is to be exploited.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by JD on 9/2 @ 2:08 pm #
Cranky-d @ 101 was referring to the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.
TehAss never tires of mooning everyone, huh?
That whole .gov so it is true thing was an insta-classic. Not quite balloon fence material, but great in its own way.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:14 pm #
Ric,
Coincidently, that is the Green-Left’s idea of a the “perfect” “natural” ecosystem.
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 2:18 pm #
Abe and Tim – you guys have more devotion than I to stick with a career that is populated by leftist retards. I would have gone AWOL a long time ago. I’m glad for the oil industry, we do not suffer liberals in this business.
I wouldn’t go as far as to suggest it is full of leftists. More non-political with liberalish sensibilities, but I know plenty of righties even though we blend in easily enough.
As far as the oil industry goes, I’ve done some consulting work in that area and for not suffering liberals they sure handle their PR and advertising like scared little bunnies trying to survive from one quarter to the next. I was more than happy to take the truckload of money they wasted in hiring me though.
Abe…Timstigator…did one of you two creative ad guys come up with this?
Not me. But I did get into the same award show as the 9/11 one above with an ad mocking left-wingers.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 2:19 pm #
“Coincidently, that is the Green-Left’s idea of a the “perfect” “natural” ecosystem.”
And a perfect setup to burn down, oh, California.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:21 pm #
JD,
He dropped what he apparently thought was the rhetorical equivalent of a MOAB, – Oh yeah? Here: a .gov link! Despair, ye wingnuts! – and we just laughed at him. He probably wasn’t expecting that.
Comment by dicentra on 9/2 @ 2:21 pm #
Ric @ #149. YUP!
I’ve often contemplated how many of our endeavors are luxuries: scientific studies, art, universities, environmentalism, etc. And I’ve often wondered if I’d live to see the day when those luxuries would go away and we’d get back to basics. (Not something I really want to see, BTW.)
Trouble is, when a forest reaches climax, sometimes the undergrowth is so abundant (from fire suppression) that the ordinarily fire-resistant trees burn and the reptiles suffocate in their burrows.
Some men like to watch the world burn.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:29 pm #
#153
Precisely. I had to evacuate in 2003 when the smoke was as thick as London fog. Great fun.
It was an arson fire, by the way. Raymond Lee Oyler set that one, but he’ll never be prosecuted for it.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 2:33 pm #
149. Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 2:01 pm #
Ouch.
Something got lost in translation.
How is it that I agree with your comment (and have no idea how my smartass comment #148 detracts from it)? Guess I am a big dummy.
Europe has re-created royalty in the form of useless, let them eat cake, tax leviathan, pampered bureaucrats (the rest of the people being, of course, peasants and surfs), and the liberals in this country wish to follow suit… just as you describe. Musicians, artists, humanities PhD’s, unions, and politicians, etc.
That was my point. (Poorly made I guess)
So where’d I miss the boat?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 2:33 pm #
The Obamoker is just perfect, btw.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 2:33 pm #
Too many government employees, exercising too much power is another
luxurypestilence of a very rich society…As well as the radical shift toward an inordinately weighted, mostly service based economy here at home. It’s fine when the cotton is high; but when pickings are slim the ripple effects are real bad…
But you’re comment is right on Ric, we are too “overstaffed” with non-producers in the US these days; whether government, academia, or just plain on the dole…
I left out the arts for many reasons, but chiefly because as long as they have a patron that isn’t in all our collective pockets than they really aren’t part of the underbrush soaking society…
But the plethora of Government employees, and horde of [insert multi-culti term here] studies professors are not really doing much producing…
Be Cool!
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:35 pm #
Damn. I posted too soon. The rest of the comment:
During that conflagration, the CDF fire crews cut a 1/4-mile wide firebreak through National Forest land west of Big Bear Lake to prevent the fire from reaching the city, only after the Sierra Club tried to get a court injunction to stop it.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:36 pm #
My #160 refers to my #156.
Busy thread.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 2:41 pm #
#157 Lamont
Because our liberal friends think the useless, pampered bureaucrats and rent-seeking do-nothings are what makes Europe “enlightened”, don’t you see?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/2 @ 2:49 pm #
“The era of the state church has been replaced by an age in which the state itself is the church. European progressives still don’t get this: they think the idea of a religion telling you how to live your life is primitive, but the government regulating every aspect of it is somehow advanced and enlightened.”
-Mark Steyn
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 2:50 pm #
Lamont, I castigated you because the system grows by exactly the process you describe.
A william or a Theas gets shown those jobs at an early age. Jobs where there’s heavy lifting; more importantly, jobs that have to be done right — even if it’s ditch-digging, you don’t get paid if the ditch is in the wrong place or the wrong depth. Engineering jobs, where if you get it wrong people get sick or die, and the boss is likely to hurt your feelings about it.
And they go yuck!
So they look for something easier. In music and the arts, for instance, there’s no such thing as wrong, because they can always say it’s “artistic”. “Artists” have been shoving Piss Christ and other outrages at us for at least a century — Picasso may have been a genius (I disagree), but his imitators are definitely charlatans — and getting away with it. Or they can go into the Mandarinate, where they’ve got the SEIU to say that even if they do get it disastrously wrong somebody else will pay for it.
And the schmucks keep sending them paychecks, which just confirms that they’re schmucks.
Your proposed job-interview procedure just increases the numbers of parasites and non-contributors. I don’t think it’s a good idea, hmm?
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 2:58 pm #
#167 Spiny
No I get it, but Ric (who I’ve always admired around here as “the other smart one”), pimp slapped the hell out of me for it, and I can’t figure out why.
Anyway, I’ll stop crying. Why is Kennedy’s seat or Biden’s a thing to be bench warmed and passed down to family. All our decisions in life now to be made by our liberal “betters”. Our forefathers got on flea and rat infested boats to come here to escape that bullshit and to, in the words of James Fenimore, “Not live a life by another’s leave.” We even created the best form of government evah and fought a lop sided war against a king to make that shit stick.
I’m drinking to Liberty tonight.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 3:07 pm #
164. Comment by Ric Locke on 9/2 @ 2:50 pm #
Fair enough.
Posted #165 for I read your comment.
Still. I know something about oil field hands. Damn good wage, but 100 hr back breaking work weeks. Never met a liberal on a rig. World goes to hell (more than present), they’ll survive just fine.
The Theas’ or williams’ who said yuck to any tough job, and ran to the arts and humanities (or politics)? Yeah, not so much.
Comment by Salt Lick on 9/2 @ 3:32 pm #
Ah, for those halcyon days of roughnecking, with 40 foot joints, bucketfuls of dope, and a pusher on every rig.
Comment by Rusty on 9/2 @ 3:39 pm #
65.Comment by Theas on 9/2 @ 9:49 am #
Last I checked, Pearl Harbor happened on FDR’s “watch”. Next day he gave a rather rousing speech (”Day that will live in infamy” & whatnot), and then, you know, declared fucking war.
His poll numbers went through the roof!
Just like Bush, right Theas?
Ahhh… not exactly chump. Japan and Germany actually had armies.
Then why was the first country we invaded French Algeria?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 3:43 pm #
You had me at “40 foot joints”.
I’ll meet’cha in the dog house.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 3:59 pm #
No I get it, but Ric (who I’ve always admired around here as “the other smart one”)
In case anybody took that the wrong way, I meant Jeff G.
Not me fer chrissakes.
I’m the dumbest one here.
Comment by Salt Lick on 9/2 @ 4:00 pm #
“Tripping Pipe,” Lamont. Oh, yeah.
Last weekend I found an old photo-journalism book called “Roughneck,” written in 1985 (how the f*ck can I call it a “Coffee-table book?). Photos of those guys, their wives, their children, the rigs — I almost watched “Five Easy Pieces” and drank myself back to a simpler time.
Comment by McGehee on 9/2 @ 4:12 pm #
You take that back!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/2 @ 4:17 pm #
““Tripping Pipe,” Lamont. Oh, yeah.”
I sold rigging (nylon/polyester slings, wire rope/ steel chain slings, end fittings, hoists, and mod cranes) to those guys back in the late 90’s. They’d take me out to a bar, I’d ask “how long you been up workin’”? and they’d say “I dunno, what day is it”?
That sure as hell ain’t no “coffee table book”.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 9/2 @ 5:20 pm #
You know, it really isn’t our fault (Really!) that Al-Qaeda declared war without first getting an army, navy, and airforce together. Bad planning on their part, but as the saying goes, ‘Bad Planning On Your Part Is Not A Problem On My Part’.
As an aside – why do the trolls bring up musty pre-debunked arguments circa 2001-2005? Sounds to me like more ‘Bad Planning…’.
I thought the political right was supposed to be the reactionaries, but the political left has that ‘award’ all to its own.
Comment by Kresh on 9/2 @ 5:25 pm #
You can’t “debunk” anything that they really believe in no matter how many of those pesky “facts” you bring.
Look at the Truthers. You cannot say any of them are wise, as they cannot separate fact from fiction, nor can they separate honest questions from ones born of hate and paranoia. They are perfect examples of fools. Much like TehAss or whatever that troll’s handle was.
Comment by JeffS on 9/2 @ 5:48 pm #
#159, Bob:
Too many government employees, exercising too much power is another luxury pestilence of a very rich society…
Speaking as a gubbermint employee, you are spot on. I’ve seen more petty power moves in the five years than I have in my entire career of nearly 30 years. Getting the job done isn’t important any more.
I shan’t rant here, but there are at least 3 separate “crisis” events going on RIGHT NOW, all of them avoidable, if certain chocolate starfish STFU and just did their jobs.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 9/2 @ 6:00 pm #
JeffS
Oh, that sounded kinda racist! I’m no expert on these matters, but you should probably denounce yourself, just to be sure.
Comment by Darleen on 9/2 @ 6:17 pm #
#156 Spiny Norman
Uh, actually Raymond Lee Oyler was convicted a few months ago and received the death penalty in June.
Comment by B Moe on 9/2 @ 6:21 pm #
The operative word here is “other”. Notice the lack of concern for the left at the California wildfires, white people are expected to take care of themselves, you see. On the other hand, notice our new trolls first droppings:
Brown people are like baby seals, spotted owls, dolphins and whales. Mystical, magical babes of nature that must be protected.
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Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 8:43 pm #
Guess what gang?
As if the picture wasn’t bad enough on ot’s own, Ace has found the video; and WWF is trying to deny it as badly as they’re walking back from that picture…
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/291722.php
Sure they didn’t pay for; someone made an expensive piece of animation like just for nyuks!
Comment by JeffS on 9/2 @ 9:12 pm #
#177, Spiny:
….you should probably denounce yourself, just to be sure.
I have. Several times. But THEY won’t arrest me. I can’t even get a unicorn to fart near by. So I’m trying a little harder.
Comment by JeffS on 9/2 @ 9:17 pm #
From Bob’s link to Ace:
“I don’t know about you but that makes me want to napalm the rainforests.”
Only if the WWF are there on a nature expedition.
Comment by Darleen on 9/2 @ 9:23 pm #
good god, Bob, did you watch that video?
I hope to hell someone down loads it off youtube pronto before it gets yanked down the memory hole… just like the award.
Comment by geoffb on 9/2 @ 9:41 pm #
One of the things that makes the private sector more productive is that when there is the inevitable downturn the “luxury” positions are usually the first to be downsized. Resulting in a leaner organization that is focused on what it does best. The downsized are also then free to discover what they can do best and do it. This whole cycle is the dance of wealth creation.
Governments tend to accumulate more and more of the “luxury” positions. When pushed to make any cuts they cut the only parts that are less oriented toward those “luxury” positions, military, police, firefighter. Jobs where there are ways of judging performance.
Powerful unions can pull a corporation into that same government mode but since they are private they eventually pay a steep price for all the fat jobs saved in hard times.
Put government and union together and it becomes especially bad for all concerned which is everyone in the whole society in the end.
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 9:50 pm #
Guess what gang?
As if the picture wasn’t bad enough on ot’s own, Ace has found the video; and WWF is trying to deny it as badly as they’re walking back from that picture…
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/291722.php
Sure they didn’t pay for; someone made an expensive piece of animation like just for nyuks!
I’m still on the fence about this regarding the WWF’s complicity, as too much about it doesn’t add up. Everything about it smacks of agency people trying to promote themselves. They’re in English, for one. The ad ran once in some nothing publication. The message of the ad is stupid. And while the commercial is really expensive to produce it’s still more likely that the creatives got it done by calling in favors than that a non-profit in Brazil paid for an elaborate commercial, in English, with no real point as it relates to what they do and doesn’t even ask for donations or direct people to their website.
I don’t blame anyone for being less skeptical than I am, but this happens all the time in advertising. A co-worker of mine got run out of the business for pulling this crap.
Comment by Dave in SoCal on 9/2 @ 9:53 pm #
But you’re comment is right on Ric, we are too “overstaffed” with non-producers in the US these days; whether government, academia, or just plain on the dole…
Reminds me of a chapter in the fictional “World War Z – An Oral History of the Zombie War”, describing how the US gov’t tries to rebuild a shattered country and fight off an advancing army using the available “talent”.
Here’s an excerpt:
Substitute “Attack of the Living Dead” with any equivalent major catastrophe that results in horrendous loss of life and devastated infrastructure and IMHO you have a pretty accurate picture of today’s society.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 10:08 pm #
Darleen,
I captured a copy of the video in realplayer (.flv) format the moment I saw it; cuz you know something like that is headed for the memory hole sooner or, well, ASAP!
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/2 @ 10:14 pm #
Abe,
I’ll defer to your experience and judgement on this. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if some talented haye America types did this pro-bono just to put their thumbs in our eye, and are using WWF the same way a maggot uses human shields; or if Soros simply cut them a check…
But you know this business better than most here do!
Comment by Abe Froman on 9/2 @ 10:47 pm #
My gut could be totally wrong Bob. It’s just that aside from the nauseating political component and attendant publicity, everything about this feels like a song I’ve heard a million times.
Comment by MarkD on 9/3 @ 8:00 am #
I don’t think official means what some people think it means. Charlie Rangel is not the only one making official statements that aren’t true.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/3 @ 12:01 pm #
“Brown people are like baby seals, spotted owls, dolphins and whales. Mystical, magical babes of nature that must be protected.”
Which is a really, really racist attitude, isn’t it?
Comment by geoffb on 9/3 @ 5:18 pm #
More about the video at Ace of Spades. The doh-si-doh spin and unspin continues but it appears that the DDB Brasil did do the video.
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Comment by ejaz14357 on 6/19 @ 12:28 am #
It’s just that aside from the nauseating political component and attendant publicity, everything about this feels like a song I’ve heard a million times.