Mary Jo wasn’t a right-wing talking point or a negative campaign slogan. She was a dedicated civil rights activist and political talent with a bright future … She wasn’t afraid to defy convention (28 and unmarried, oh the horror!) or create her own career path based on her talents … Then she got in a car driven by a 36-year-old senator with an alcohol problem and a cauldron full of demons, and wound up a controversial footnote in a dynasty.We don’t know how much Kennedy was affected by her death, or what she’d have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history. What we don’t know, as always, could fill a Metrodome.
Still, ignorance doesn’t preclude a right to wonder. So it doesn’t automatically make someone (aka, me) a Limbaugh-loving, aerial-wolf-hunting NRA troll for asking what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted’s death, and what she’d have thought of the life and career that are being (rightfully) heralded.
Who knows — maybe she’d feel it was worth it.
Ah yes, Mary Jo happy to have been left to die a horrible death in order to allow Teddy years of lying, drunkeness and waitress-sandwiches.
Then there’s Zennie Abraham who is aggitated that any one dare even type the name “Mary Jo Kopechne” in a search engine or on Twitter.
Ted Kennedy was punished; leave him alone. Kennedy made a mistake but made up for it.Get this straight: Ted Kennedy had his day in court 40 years ago, was sentenced, and that was excused by the judge.
Ted Kennedy was a hero.
And if this kind of hero-worship, fetishizing of Ted Kennedy’s corpse with all the requisite shut up, you dirty rightwingers hysteria and cynical pimping now you HAVE to nationalize medicine in Teddy’s name!, more creepiness about Ted is still being revealed
Jules Crittenden mentioned on his blog he heard Ed Klein, former foreign editor of Newsweek and editor-in-chief of The New York Times Magazine, recalling on air that Ted Kennedy liked to joke about Chappaquiddick. It seemed to defy belief, so I listened to the episode of The Diane Rehm Show in question and sure enough — I’ve transcribed what Klein told guest host Katy Kay (Here’s a link to the audio in WMA format, relevant portion starts at about 30:15):I don’t know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, “have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?” That is just the most amazing thing. It’s not that he didn’t feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.
EXCUSE ME? If that’s true, it makes Kennedy kind of a monster.
Yep. Ted was a Kennedy, a moral cretin in a family of moral hypocrits (engage in a little public nobless oblige, be a predatory creep in private).
In other words, It’s Good to be The King.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 8:09 am #
Just to be clear, any prog hero now has license to kill Lafsky and the Vagina Warriors subject to the single condition that they continue the “cause?”
I’m certain Mary Jo was thinking “I just hope Teddy carries on” as she was drawing her last few gasps of air, and Teddy was straightening out his alibi at the Regatta party.
Comment by JHo on 8/28 @ 8:14 am #
A symptom of severe disorder surely must be creating your own martyrs. I think it’s part of the thinking that says fighting back after being convicted of some bad thing is a just burden borne by the virtuous in the face of a great and unfair oppression. How dare they?! See postmodern politics, Democratic.
This Lafsky is one twisted loon.
Comment by Joe on 8/28 @ 8:16 am #
That Teddy, joking about Chappaquiddick. What a charmer.
Comment by JHo on 8/28 @ 8:17 am #
Oh, and Lafsky, catalog Kennedy’s mighty acts, ‘k? Because by their works ye shall know them, oddly.
Comment by Pablo on 8/28 @ 8:25 am #
I can’t help but wonder if there’s any significance to the fact that Hurricane Danny is going to be attending Sen. Anvilhead’s funeral.
Comment by mojo on 8/28 @ 8:26 am #
Fuck Teddy. And the stolen horse he rode in on.
In fact, fuck the whole Kennedy family, from old Joe right down to young Joe.
…
No, I haven’t had my coffee. Why?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 8:30 am #
They’ve got a fairly expansive definition of “accident” as well, no?
Oh well, that’s why pencils have erasers.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 8:30 am #
What that Laughsky gal does not know would fill an almost infinite number of Metrodomes. Aren’t they ever embarassed or ashamed to write that kind of drivel? Her death was Kennedy’s catalyst?!
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 8:37 am #
I agree that it was in this respect – there was a sort of tacit agreement struck between Teddy, the party radical element, and the media wherein he’d push the radical agenda, and they’d agree to keep the Mary Jo thing “below the surface,” in a manner of speaking. The radical agenda then got grafted onto the rather moderate/conservative Kennedy brand, and gained purchase with the working-class types.
Comment by The Monster on 8/28 @ 8:41 am #
He sure wasn’t my kind of monster.
Comment by psycho... on 8/28 @ 8:46 am #
Almost every un-supernatural scenario that fits the evidence has Ted knocking her unconscious before the “accident.”
So. Like I said. Read these peans to the Lion knowing that the people who write them know that. Because they damn well do.
…
And yeah, maybe she would. Some people are like that. People who volunteer for orgy duty with Kennedys, especially.
But I think she stopped being like that at the last minute.
Or almost the last.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 9:03 am #
I think that’s the rub in Lefties assigning her life and death a utilitarian value less than that of Tedward’s Senate career.
It also begs the question – what would the world look like to the eyes of a Leftist/Vagina Warrior if all men acted like Tedward but held his social-political views? Would life really be better for womyn? A question that goes unasked.
Comment by B Moe on 8/28 @ 9:09 am #
And if the life of a promising young activist and feminist is a fair sacrifice to promote The Cause, what is yours worth?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/28 @ 9:20 am #
Mary Jo Kopechne is still unavailable for comment.
Comment by No One You Know on 8/28 @ 9:22 am #
Back in 1966, I had a family member who ended up in jail for 30 months because a passenger in his car was killed during an accident while he was drinking and driving. Judge told him that he would have gotten 18 months if he would have just called the cops, instead of running away from the accident.
I would like someone to explain to me how that sentence was good enough for mine, but Kennedy skating was just fine and dandy. Quite frankly, the likes of Zennie Abraham are welcome to go fuck themselves.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/28 @ 9:27 am #
The Kennedys are a white trash family what doesn’t even bother to hide the retards in the attic anymore. Or the rapists. Or the drug addicts. Or the horse-faced stupid girls. And what’s with the gaymo Austrian cocksucker they adopted? I think someone saw Bruno too many times.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/28 @ 9:27 am #
Let’s ponder this stunningly amoral thought and take it one step further. Does Laffsky project herself in Mary Jo’s place or is she willing to separate herself from the musing and put it entirely upon Mary Jo’s soul without an ounce of identity?
The answer, of course, bah bye, Mary Jo!
It reflects another branch of the moral equivalency tree that is consistently untrimmed by liberals. Just as Bubba and Teddy and Patrick and Jesse can be forgiven their raging hormonal peccadilloes by the length and breadth of their service to Teh Cause! so Laffsky, from the cozy confines of her writing space can take an agonizing death of a 28 year old woman and implant on her memory a justification of heinous acts by subsequent legacy. These are the sorts of wanna be policy makers who we are supposed to trust when they tell us that health care won’t be rationed to save money or that there really, really won’t be any death panels, silly!
These people can’t be trusted with anything, let alone policy and the country.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/28 @ 9:31 am #
happyfeet is killing me. I’m gasping for air.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 9:34 am #
I think that’s they way they think about it – forgetting, all the while, that Mary Jo and Tedward were each human beings, with dignity and duties separate and apart from their political lives. Amynda (and Lafsky) is getting all snarky about even mentioning Mary Jo because she was a Democrat activist (pre-’68, I might add) and therefore it’s exclusively Democrat family business or something. Sorry, but we all have an interest when someone commits (at best) homicide, regardless of their politics.
Moreover, I woould have thought that not having committed homicide is a minimal standard of behavior for service in the United States Senate that people of all political persuasions could agree upon.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 9:34 am #
I would bet the Kennedy fortunes that Laughsky would never have the stones to say something so profoundly amoral, in person, to Mary Jo’s family.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/28 @ 9:40 am #
John McCain is a murderous fiend.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 9:41 am #
Yes, you are an ass. Thanks for a little truth in advertising.
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you fucking fuckity fucker. I am so fucking sick and tired of this Leftist bullshit that somehow there is an equivalance between an actual accident where someone dies, and where a drunk drives off a bride, leaving a passenger trapped in his vehicle, spends the night sobering up and getting his story straight, and not calling the cops until the next day.
The rest of your blather is abject bullshit, just like your prior missive.
Those are lies and you are a fucking liar, you chocolate starfish.
Comment by Pablo on 8/28 @ 9:45 am #
Remember how Laura Bush left the scene after running that stop sign, and told her friends not to call for help or let anyone know that there was a guy who needed immediate help? I can’t believe she did that while she was a
teenaged girlsitting US Senator!Theas, has anyone ever told you that you’re not very bright?
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 9:45 am #
“…promoting … martyr du jour … ”
That gets an upside-downy, Wha?
Comment by happyfeet on 8/28 @ 9:45 am #
How many civilians will Barack Obama’s dirty socialist health care scheme kill you think? Per year.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 9:48 am #
He “caused a fire to erupt” by being seated in a jet that was struck by a missle fired from another jet on the deck, much in the same way that Mary Jo caused Tedward such great pain, suffering, and the trouble of lying about what had happened publicly.
Also, McCain sort of told the appropriate authorities what had happened in a timely fashion.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/28 @ 9:51 am #
Theas had been making the rounds under many names spewing the same idiot moral equivalency argument at many sites.
Laugh and ignore. Laugh and ignore.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 9:53 am #
Theas, has anyone ever told you that you’re not very bright?
Daily, but it is not bright enough to understand what they mean.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 9:55 am #
Theas is but one of many informationally subtractive trolls.
Comment by Pablo on 8/28 @ 9:55 am #
As it turns out, Americans are somewhat savvy when they’re paying attention to detail.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/28 @ 9:57 am #
Americans aren’t stupid they’re just not big thinkers, 52% of them. Them ones just believe what they see on the tv and what they hear on the NPR and what they read in the Newsweek. All you can really do is try and set a good example for them I think.
I’m not talking about buying organic produce.
Nevermind.
Comment by cranky-d on 8/28 @ 10:01 am #
If Americans were “as stupid” as the regulars here, Obama would not be president. Now, if you count yourself among the people who post and comment here (and how could you do otherwise, as you have, in fact, commented here) then I agree that I hope Americans aren’t as stupid as you are. However, I’ve seen plenty of evidence that many of them are, indeed, as stupid as you.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 10:02 am #
Given what we know of TehAss, it appears that its definitions of words is completely opposite of traditionally accepted meanings, which means that when it calls you stooopid, in the real world, not the community-based reality, it is affirming that you are exponentially smarter than it, and it is incapable of arguing against the actual point made, and will resort to spamming off-topic smears.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 10:10 am #
Oh, Good Allah. TehAss is a perfectly example of the hopeychangey people that are responsible for foisting Teh One on us. There are dead slugs with more functioning grey matter.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/28 @ 10:11 am #
Yup. McCain is definitely not qualified for office. I can’t argue with that. But McCain himself isn’t a white trash icon like dead Ted Kennedy. He gets some credit for being Meghan’s daddy though.
Comment by bill on 8/28 @ 10:13 am #
Continuing the Laughing out the Bunghole theory of Giving it up for the Greater Good:
I bet Judge Bork is glad Ted Kennedy slandered him as a coat hanger wielding back alley abortionist in Klan robes. After all it kept the court seat open for great legal minds like Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg and Sonya “Vata Loca” Sotomayor.
Comment by Bob Reed on 8/28 @ 10:14 am #
It takes a twisted kind of logic to come to the conclusion Ms. Kafshy reached in her essay. It is absurd to think that MJK would have considered her life a “worthy trade” in exchange for Kennedy’s Senate carreer; especially after the way Kennedy devalued her very humanity by walking away from the crash scene, as if she were just another arbitrary part of the wrecked car, and then spent 12 hours conniving a story and aligning his power markers in the most self-serving fashion possible…
It goes against all of the moral underpinnings of the civil rights cause she supported, and at once exposes Kennedy’s elitist attitude towards both people and the law, as well as his world-class hypocrisy…
“Is there one system of justice for the average citizen and another system for the high and mighty?”
Hypocritically spoken by Teddy K of Nixon, from the Senate floor approximately 5 years after the incident at Chappaquiddick…
But I’m sure Teddy is relieved now to learn that in the afterlife, there is indeed one system of justice for all!
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 10:18 am #
Thegoat’sass is apparently pretty tired of willie the racist hilljack buggering it, and is trying to distract from the Leftist duplicity, double-standards, complete devaluation of life, and their monstrous thinking.
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:20 am #
Theas, if only you’d been year last year and talked us down from our slobbering love-affair for John McCain. I would tease you about bringing up that Forrestal fire, but I suspect you’ve been Obatamized.
Of course, serving time in a Vietcong camp was certainly more time than Kennedy did for deliberately walking away from an accident HE CAUSED, not going for help, insuring he a “story” straight, yada yada yada.
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:21 am #
Theas, if only you’d been year last year and talked us down from our slobbering love-affair for John McCain. I would tease you about bringing up that Forrestal fire, but I suspect you’ve been Obatamized.
Of course, serving time in a Viet Cong camp was certainly more time than Kennedy did for deliberately walking away from an accident HE CAUSED, not going for help, insuring he a “story” straight, yada yada yada.
Comment by Rusty on 8/28 @ 10:22 am #
#21
So how many people have killed?
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:25 am #
Theas, when is Obama going to bring our boys home?
Obama’s got blood on his hands, and he’s taking a vacation from his vacation.
Comment by cranky-d on 8/28 @ 10:26 am #
I’m guessing that TheAss responded to my statement about Obama not being president(I don’t know, he’s trollhammered) if people were as stupid as the regulars here. Note that I didn’t say McCain would be president either. I did not like him.
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:26 am #
TROOPS DIE – OBAMA GOLFS!
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:27 am #
Cranky – don’t you remember when we were all like “Oh McCain, I love him” and we all donated money and time to help him get elected?
Yea, neither do I.
RRS was the only McCain fan, and she hasn’t commented here in years.
Comment by Carin on 8/28 @ 10:28 am #
RWS, I mean.
Comment by dicentra on 8/28 @ 10:29 am #
I’m not talking about buying organic produce.
Actually, the polarity has been temporarily reversed on this one: conservatives are supposed to shop at Whole Foods now to counter the boycott (let’s see how long THAT lasts) after the CEO said something sensible about O-care.
I suspect you’ve been Obatamized.
Obatamized. Heh.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 8/28 @ 10:29 am #
I nominate Theas as next back seat candidate to be the catalyst to propel the political career of some drunken frat boy democrat senator what drives with his dick in his hands very fastly over bridges and shit.
Comment by rrpjr on 8/28 @ 10:29 am #
I submit that Lafsky would feel the same (if not publicly declare it), if Kennedy had killed 20 women in the same manner, or say, had a drunken accident which resulted in the death of a starry-eyed female intern to the liberal cause once a year every year for the rest of his career. It’s the way these people — the new American Stalinists — think.
By the way, I’m sure the Kopechne family appreciates the backhanded martyrdom Lafsky cedes her here. How gracious, how liberal.
Comment by Abe Froman on 8/28 @ 10:30 am #
Aside from the absurdity of injecting McCain and Laura Bush into any of this, you have to love Theas’s ability to dismiss the most basic facts about Kennedy’s behavior while embracing the most fever swampy jibber jabber he can get his hands on with regard to the former. No matter how predictable it is I’ll never get used to some peoples’ capacity for carpet-bombing with irrelevant nonsense while calling other people stupid. Then again this post is a celebration of the left’s faulty wiring so maybe the point isn’t to get used to it as much as it is to continually find entertainment in it.
Comment by cranky-d on 8/28 @ 10:34 am #
Carin – the McCain love-fests we used to have here daily were legendary in their absence.
Our lack of blind devotion to the politicians we support (often VERY reluctantly) continually perplexes the left. All they know is projection, which at least helps us in that we know that they are doing whatever they accuse us of doing.
They’re stupid that way.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 8/28 @ 10:40 am #
Is Theas a MIHOP or a LIHOP?
Comment by Exibanker on 8/28 @ 10:40 am #
Everyone sell their shares in Schwepps!!!!!!
Comment by Salt Lick on 8/28 @ 10:41 am #
Mary Jo… yes, an unfortunate accident.
No no, Theas, you’ve missed the point. What Melissa Lafsky’s saying is that it was a good thing Mary Jo died, because it birthed Ted Kennedy’s career. The only question is whether Mary Jo thinks so wherever she is now.
I mean, it’s unlikely that she thought that as she floated gasping in the pitch-black darkness, trying to wedge her nose into the last pocket of air in that car, with the water finally clogging up her nose and throat, although they say it’s a painless way to die. But how does she feel about it now? I mean, would she make that choice again, to die like that, if she knew it would launch Ted’s career?
It really gives new meaning to the phrase “That girl would just die for him.”
Comment by gus on 8/28 @ 10:42 am #
What we have here is the undeniable truth, that liberals will excuse anything for THE PARTY.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 10:46 am #
cranky – Some of happyfeet’s pro-McCain rants were absolutely EPIC.
Comment by Abe Froman on 8/28 @ 10:47 am #
This is just too precious.
Comment by KingShamus on 8/28 @ 10:49 am #
On the issue of Teddy Kennedy and the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne: “Shut up,” the liberals say.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 10:50 am #
Abe – If they did not get to redefine words, and rewrite history, they would have nothing.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 8/28 @ 10:51 am #
RememberComment by gus on 8/28 @ 10:51 am #
The fact that our current LIBTARD TROLL du jour cannot recognize the difference in character between Turd Kennedy and John McCain renders his useless drivel mere comedy. Ted Kennedy’s only concern in life was Ted Kennedy. In the after-life Ted Kennedy will be treated not like a Kamelot Kennedy, but as any other person of terribly flawed character.
Comment by B Moe on 8/28 @ 10:52 am #
Ted Kennedy didn’t have a driver’s license. It had been revoked because of repeated reckless, drunken driving incidents. He had a chauffeur who was asleep in an adjoining house during the party. Teddy had to wake him up to get the keys to the car so he could drive Mary Jo down to the beach and knock him off a piece. The only thing surprising is he seemed to want some privacy, rather than just mounting her in the middle of the party like the rutting hog that he was.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/28 @ 10:52 am #
“Comment by Theas on 8/28 @ 9:38 am #
Mary Jo… yes, an unfortunate accident. Like Laura Bush who killed someone in a traffic accident.”
Take your moral equivilancy, fold it until it’s all corners, and shove it up your ass.
“Some killing however is murder, like the 151,000 Iraqi civilians that were killed by Bush.”
And your little lies, too.
Comment by Bob Reed on 8/28 @ 10:56 am #
Oh, and Theas,
Don’t get me started about the whole “wet start” grassy knoll-esque theory of the USS Forrestal fire…
I really don’t know where to begin…
1) I find it hard to believe that any “wet start” shenanigans would have been undertaken on a carrier, in wartime, launching aircraft sending pilots into harms way. Any pilot doing so could reasonably expect to be grounded, or worser, in a proverbiual New York second…
2) Do you even know what a “wet start” is? At best, it produces a colorful display, but would linger for milliseconds and could cause no serious damage, nor manage to “cook off” a Zuni rocket…
3) While Tomcats didn’t carry Zuni’s as part of any weapons package, I am familiar with the M32 Zuni. There were problems in the old days with rounds being unintentionally fired; but no recorded incidents of rounds being “cooked off” as you allege. Based on what I’ve been told by airdales about Zunis, after the saftey pins were removed thare was a chance that an electrical malfunction during engine starting could possibly fire a missle from the pod. Indeed, the pre-flight procedure was changed in the early 70’s following inidents on the Forrestal, Enterprise, and some ground based aircraft…
4) Finally, eyewitnesses place the two aircraft far enough apart to preclude your asinine assertion.
In your desperate attempt to justify Kennedy’s behavior at Chappaquiddick, you are resorting to slandering another person. Treating others, and their reputations, as pawns to be used in the gamesmanship of scoring political points makes you a person of the same ilk; Teddy K would be proud of your, “by any means necessary” approch. But, you should restrict your asinine assertions and accusations to subject matter you are knowledgable about, or restrict your slander to websites where there is no chance that others may be more knowledgable than you. You will save yourself the embarrassment of being exposed as a rank partisan propagandist, as well as someone who alks out of their ass…
As we used to say, “Don’t let your battleship mouth get you into a jam your rowboat ass can’t back up…”
So you can stop feeding is your DU propaganda:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3194253&mesg_id=3194253
Stay on topic, or stay off the thread…
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 8/28 @ 10:56 am #
Remember, this is the same guy who crashed
5 planesa car off a bridge, wlaked away leaving the passenger to die and didn;t report the incident until 10 hours later. Alsocalled his wife a “cunt” and a “trollop” in publicabetted the refuge of his rapist nephew in the family compound in Florida. <strikeMcCain Kennedy barelyfinished in the BOTTOM 1%graduated of hisAnnapolicHarvard class after a cheating scandal that was hushed up by the University and the press and only got hiswingsdead brother’s senate seat because hisfather was an admiralfamily engineered a place-holder candidate until he could run for it.Comment by Anon on 8/28 @ 10:59 am #
All of the whining about a historical fact about the late Kennedy got me to wanting one of those fancy YouTube videos. Specifically, a “Leave Ted Kennedy Alone” hommage, akin to That Other Video.
Bonus points if it’s not only a female voice, but one done to sound like it’s being said underwater. Combo bonus if done with an underwater view of the car.
Comment by Bob Reed on 8/28 @ 11:01 am #
Theas,
I’m not surprised you reached for the Laura Bush smear too…
My only questions are:
1) Were these non-sequitors in today’s talking points?
2) Do you get paid by the post, stroke, word, or per diem?
3) Does Soros sign the checks, or put it through one of his many proxy agencies?
4) Are you even a US citizen?
You don’t really have to answer…
I’d prefer it if you just went away…
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 11:10 am #
Much like the squirrel, it is much easier to read the Leftist blather if you continually cornify it.
Comment by bastiches on 8/28 @ 11:35 am #
1) Were these non-sequitors in today’s talking points?
Yep, it’s called the Leftie Two-Step. When confronted with facts that lead to a negative outcome for the Great and Holy Leftist Cause™, it’s just slide, slide and bingo, we avoid the issue.
In other words, every dodge is a concession. They have no response to the faults, hypocrisy, or lust for power that is displayed on a daily basis in this sweaty coda to democratic socialism.
Comment by Aresay on 8/28 @ 11:36 am #
Stopthepresses finds old Kennedy family friend who attempts to send America a coded message, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Ted
Comment by Spiny Norman on 8/28 @ 11:44 am #
Thanks a lot, Anon. That’s an image I won’t be getting out of my head for a good long while.
:^þ
Comment by Danger on 8/28 @ 11:52 am #
Theas,
Here is a clue boat for ya. At the Naval Aviation Museam located on NAS Pensacola, Florida, there is an exhibit that shows the video of the Forrestal Fire. John McCain can be seen jumping from his aircraft which was parked with the exhaust facing over the side of the Carrier. (Hint: his exhaust could not and did not contribute to the fire on the Forrestal).
I highly recommend you go see the exhibit you might just gain an appreciation of what our Sailors have sacrificed in defense of this great nation and just maybe you won’t end up with your head so far up your ass in the future.
This same attack was tried and debunked in another thread a few months ago so you should go back to your source and tell them to retire that little fairy tail because it isn’t flying here.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 11:55 am #
I just read that Laughsky link again and it is just breath-taking. If they are willing to sacrifice the life of one of their own activists to be the catalyst for a slinebag, how many of your lives would they be willing to sacrifice? But, it is nice of them to show how little they value a life, placing its utility below that of being a catlyst for a lecherous anvil-headed gin-soaked career.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 11:57 am #
Danger – Things like TehAss are impervious to annoying little things like facts, which will not be allowed to get in the way of Teh Narrative.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/28 @ 12:04 pm #
I wonder, in Lafsky’s pantheon, who gets to decide which poor stiff gets to take one for the Party? Is it Dear Leader, The Emanuel Grise, Howie Dean? Do more kudos go with dying for Him, or His underlings? In Lafsky’s book, Ted’s unparalleled Senate career was worth it, so O! alone knows how many points taking one for Dear Leader’s career would be worth.
Comment by Danger on 8/28 @ 12:07 pm #
Sad but true JD, I bet he defends John Kerry as a “hero”.
Me, I consider it a blessing that I have not been given an assignment in the DC area. I don’t think I could have resisted the urge to apply an attitude adjustment to some of our DIShonorable representatives if I ever ran into them.
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 12:07 pm #
I found myself wishing that the intention of the “catalyst” in question was not about motion in politics at all, but a “charge toward the lost object of his desire” after having failed to slip the sausage to MJK, so he chased and chased, first this young thing, then that, never catching up to the corpse of his dreams and achieving in the process “the most successful [skirt chasing] Senate career in history”. Bob Packwood, despite his name, had nothing on Senator Uncle Teddy. Hell, in the annals of Capitol Hill entire, even good ol’ boy Wilbur Mills was put to shame.
Comment by Pablo on 8/28 @ 12:07 pm #
FactCheck.org is a good place. Needless to say, The ass is pulling its facts from its…self.
Comment by mongo78 on 8/28 @ 12:08 pm #
If they are willing to sacrifice the life of one of their own activists to be the catalyst for a slimebag, how many of your lives would they be willing to sacrifice?
100 million and counting.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 12:08 pm #
Laughsky is a chicken-catalyst.
Comment by SBP on 8/28 @ 12:11 pm #
caused a fire to errupt on the USS Forrestal
That is a lie and you are a liar.
Buh-bye.
Comment by SBP on 8/28 @ 12:17 pm #
100 million and counting.
An underestimate, actually.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 12:21 pm #
TehAss should volunteer to be a catalyst for a Kennedy career.
Comment by SDN on 8/28 @ 12:24 pm #
Theas, the whole leaving the young woman to drown puts it so far outside the realm of accident….
Oh, and I’ll see you Bushes supposed 150000 Iraqis and raise you Saddam’s 3 million.
And finally, FOAD.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 12:29 pm #
Imagine how awesome he might have been if only he had killed even more young women? It might have been a “super catalyst!”
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 12:32 pm #
OT: Bill Ardolino is posting at the Threat Matrix blog of the Long War Journal.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/28 @ 12:36 pm #
I wonder, in Lafsky’s pantheon, who gets to decide which poor stiff gets to take one for the Party?
Felix Dzerzhinsky.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 12:37 pm #
Where is willie the racist hilljack today? Still recovering from that last meth bender?
Comment by Abe Froman on 8/28 @ 12:40 pm #
Imagine how awesome he might have been if only he had killed even more young women? It might have been a “super catalyst!”
That would certainly explain why Reagan, who saved 77 people from drowning as a lifeguard, was such an evil fucktard. If only he’d shown up to work drunk on occasion and copped a few cheap boobie grabs instead of administering CPR he might have gone on to really be somebody.
Comment by dicentra on 8/28 @ 12:59 pm #
So. If Chappaquiddick had never happened, Kennedy would never have had a political career?
Exsqueek me? I thought Chappaquiddick prevented him from being president.
Lefty math never makes sense.
Comment by Joe on 8/28 @ 1:00 pm #
How Mary Jo died…
She did not drown, she slowly suffocated. Teddy could have saved her.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 8/28 @ 1:03 pm #
Leftists/Statists loathe genuine heroes for many reasons, but one big reason is that they took individual initiative, putting their own lives at risk for the sake of another.
For the Leftist/Statist, it’s up to Big Daddy Government to take care of such things.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 1:03 pm #
I think the best part of the ‘Mary Jo as catalyst-cum-prop for Tedward’s fantasmatic career’ meme is the belief that Massachusetts might otherwise not have had a successive string of Leftist tools in the same seat all these years. (See also, John Kerry, Leftist toolbag.)
Comment by Salt Lick on 8/28 @ 1:33 pm #
Mary Jo as catalyst-cum-prop for Tedward’s fantasmatic career’
This has got me thinking… Are we overlooking some possible good in the Indian practice of bride-burning? Then again, it might devolve into burning them at the beginning of the marriage. That could put a lot of pressure on the guy to live up to the sacrifice. I’ll get back to y’all on this.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 8/28 @ 1:35 pm #
For the Leftist/Statist, it’s up to Big Daddy Government to
take care of such thingstreat ordinary people like expendable cannon fodder. For the State, Fatherland, Reich, benefit of societySee Stalingrad, The Seige of.
Comment by Robert Stacy McCain on 8/28 @ 1:36 pm #
Q. What’s the difference between Ted Kennedy and Ronald Reagan?
A. As a young man Ronnie saved girls from drowning!
The name’s “Shecky” McCain, folks, and I’ll be here all week.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 1:40 pm #
Stacy:
I began commenting at your site after Dan Collins was linking to you. I know you found each and every of my comments to be a credit to your blog. However, after you switched to that new comment thingie a few months ago, I could never comment again.
What gives?
Also, so as not to derail, I despise Ted Kennedy, as more fully explained above.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 8/28 @ 2:40 pm #
#98 Old Texas Turkey
Thanks for the reminder. You are, of course, absolutely correct.
Comment by royf on 8/28 @ 2:42 pm #
Theass can you really be that stupid, The entire sequence of the USS Forestal fire is on film. I’ve seen it many times on TV, McCain’s aircraft was hit by a missile from a plane across the Carrier Deck. It’s no mystery the Navy investigated and changed their entire Operations Manual regarding when and how aircraft are armed before take-off.
Take you lies and propaganda somewhere else, Knowledgeable people gather here and you don’t fit in.
Comment by mojo on 8/28 @ 3:34 pm #
“judicial-inc.biz”? Oh, well, then it MUST be true!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/28 @ 3:42 pm #
Bob – you said:
i>2) Do you even know what a “wet start” is? At best, it produces a colorful display, but would linger for milliseconds and could cause no serious damage, nor manage to “cook off” a Zuni rocket…
I have never been in the military, but I can well-imagine that a tongue of flame sufficient to ‘cook-off’ a rocket loaded under the wing/belly of an F-4 would have to be one tremendous toungue of flame. A flame sufficient to damage the nose, canopy, and nose-wheel of the F-4. And injure or kill deck crew.
Admiral father or no admiral father, I would think that stunt would result in court martial and separation from service at least. Not to mention that every pilot in every squadron on that carrier – and on all other carriers – would want to bring an ass-beating to McCain – admiral father or no. If the troll’s information was correct.
On the subject of McCain transferring to another carrier after the fire, well, I suppose other uninjured flight crew might get transferred around as the Forrestal was going in for repair and these crews could continue their cruise on other carriers.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 8/28 @ 3:43 pm #
I think the frontrunner for the Kennedy family Senate Seat – assuming it has not been accounted for in Tedward’s Last Will and Testament – is Joseph P. Kennedy II, who, in the family tradition of general loutishness, was also involved in a car “accident,” leading to the paralyzation of yet another young woman.
Comment by Freedoms Truth on 8/28 @ 3:45 pm #
Cut-n-paste fun … take the lib’s comment and sub in OJ:
“OJ was punished; leave him alone. OJ made a mistake but made up for it.
Get this straight: OJ had his day in court, and that was excused by the judge.
OJ was a hero.”
Will we be unable to mention Nicole Brown Simpson on the day OJ dies? Will that be too cruel?
Comment by Freedoms Truth on 8/28 @ 3:48 pm #
“Mary Jo… yes, an unfortunate accident.”
No accident. Vehicular homocide. Teddy K left the scene and Mary Jo slowly died of asphyxiation over a period of about 2 hours, because Teddy K was too much of a coward to call the authorities and get help.
He served his career before he served the lives of ones close to him.
He should have served 10+ years for manslaughter in the slammer instead of 45 years in the Senate.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/28 @ 3:55 pm #
N.B.: I am not supporting the troll, just exploring how assinine his tale is.
After Coral Sea, Yorktown went back to Pearl with the remains of her and Lexington’s air groups. Surprise, surprise – she went to Midway with Saratoga’s air group, Saratoga being repaired on the west coast. Transferring air groups/flight crews from damaged to undamaged carriers isn’t outside of the realm of common sense – which the troll avoids.
Comment by McGehee on 8/28 @ 3:59 pm #
He obviously provoked the missile to fire spontaneously at his plane, the dirty right-winger.
Comment by geoffb on 8/28 @ 3:59 pm #
What’s that one all purpose response from the Left? Faggot? Stupid? Racist? No, STFU!!!!!!
Comment by alppuccino on 8/28 @ 4:14 pm #
Ted Kennedy’s bloated, head-shorn, chemo-riddled corpse walks into a bar and the bartender asks, “What’ll it be Senator?”
And Obama says “I’m the president.”
the end
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 4:17 pm #
I’m beginning to wonder who this fellow is. Whoever he is, he’ good in a way with which we here at PW are long familiar with.
Comment by Mars vs Hollywood on 8/28 @ 4:23 pm #
When I read Lafsky’s piece, I couldn’t help but think of another old Kennedy story:
Sirhan Sirhan was at a parole hearing, and was complaining loudly about the conditions of his imprisonment. “Robert Kennedy would not want me to be treated this way,” he said.
To which one of the parole board replied: “Well, then it’s doubly unfortunate for you that someone shot Robert Kennedy.”
Lafksy is hereby invited to go martyr herself.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/28 @ 5:08 pm #
Mars vs Hollywood:
With the Cash for Clunkers program I am certain a suitable vehicle can be found.
Comment by Dr. Carlo Lombardi on 8/28 @ 5:08 pm #
RIP. Ed Kennedy. Edgar Kennedy, that is. The early screen comedian had a much more positive impact on the world than Captain Oldsmobile.
Comment by Danger on 8/28 @ 5:21 pm #
sdferr,
Doc Zero is the best reason to visit Hot Air. Capt Ed and AP are a little wishy-washy but Doc Z doesn’t mince words.
I didn’t know he did parody though so thanks for the link:)
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 5:32 pm #
Let’s just say the overlap with JG’s positions doesn’t pass notice Danger.
Comment by serr8d on 8/28 @ 7:47 pm #
If Doc Zero actually were our esteemed host, he’s donned several layered overcoats. Not a difficult task for an excellent writer to accomplish, of course.
“Doc Zero”, as in not doctored? And, there was that attempted deconstruction. A slip up?
Or maybe we’re all suffering some major pangs of withdrawal. Or something.
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 7:51 pm #
‘… he’s donned several layered overcoats …”
agreed
“… Not a difficult task for an excellent writer to accomplish, of course.”
and agreed. Still … take for instance:
Comment by serr8d on 8/28 @ 7:58 pm #
I don’t know that Jeff would take an unpaid position in the ‘Green Room’, waiting around for a possible call-up from the likes of Allah or Ed, though.
The call-up…I wonder if Allah snaps his fingers…?
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 8:00 pm #
I’ve no inside knowledge of the circumstances though, do you serr8d? I thought the enterprise was MM’s deal.
Comment by Pablo on 8/28 @ 8:15 pm #
Princess Caroline just said that it’s up to us to do what Teddy would have done.
I’m gonna get shitfaced and fuck somebody.
*snif*
Comment by serr8d on 8/28 @ 8:17 pm #
Haven’t a clue, sdferr. I’m just an unpaid observer, missing the host. )
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 8:25 pm #
I think Pablo wins the best comment of this thread.
Comment by dicentra on 8/28 @ 8:28 pm #
It’s not Jeff.
Jeff has a different style and a different sense of humor. Doctor Zero rocks, but he’s not Jeff.
Not enough edge to be Jeff.
Comment by serr8d on 8/28 @ 8:28 pm #
Waaaaay OT, but some hilarity for football, Vikings fans…the original ‘Whizzinator’ is available, at auction. “It has grown very quickly…,”
Comment by No one you know on 8/28 @ 8:29 pm #
Princess Caroline just said that it’s up to us to do what Teddy would have done.
I’m gonna get shitfaced and fuck somebody.
Good thinking, Pablo. I think I’ll aid in covering up a sexual assault by one of my lesser known nephews.
Comment by sdferr on 8/28 @ 8:31 pm #
Jeff has a different style…
Of course we’re aware of Jeff’s style here. But that isn’t determinative (though I don’t know what would be finally, short of a claim of authorship). Surely we can imagine Jeff has the skill to restrain his own style and take on another in character, such as dulling an edge if he chose to.
Comment by JD on 8/28 @ 8:37 pm #
Can one ever tire of lines like…
skin-covered beerkeg
A fleshy, magnificent anvil with ears is what you’ve got. It’s spectacular !
It’s like your neck gave birth to a giant ham.
Comment by serr8d on 8/28 @ 8:38 pm #
I’ll simply write a letter to a Soviet sort of enemy, trying to circumvent U.S. policy.
Damn, but Ted looks best (and close to home) on this page, doesn’t he?
Comment by deddy kennedy on 8/28 @ 8:41 pm #
*snif*
*terrrrrrrp*
…
double
Comment by Spiny Norman on 8/28 @ 9:49 pm #
As only he can, Iowahawk riffs on Captain Oldsmobile: Cheddarquidick.
Comment by geoffb on 8/28 @ 11:43 pm #
Joyce Carol Oates: How does one woman’s life compare to decades of awesome Senate service?
The slide continues.
Now I know I’ll just have to get the mugs and the commemorative plate too. If they keep this up the IRA will have to be cashed in. Who needs money if there is Teddyware™ to buy. Teddy doing what the Stimulus couldn’t, pulling America up out of the water that he sunk it into many years ago.
Comment by Dash22 on 8/29 @ 4:17 am #
Though.. if you think about it, Mary Jo’s death did prevent Ted from becoming the Democratic nominee in ‘80 and probably from ever running again..
Despite all that he did as a Senator, it could have been a whole lot worse. Think of all the trouble she saved America from had he become President. Still not a fair trade for a young woman’s life though.
Comment by donald on 8/29 @ 5:29 am #
Mary Jo got in that car. She got damned well what she deserved. She knew what she was dealing with. Is that the point?
Comment by Eben on 8/29 @ 7:00 am #
So here we have the prime example of what’s been going on since Fat Ted’s death, namely describing what a great man he was since he killed Mary Jo and wondering if it has made up for his ‘mistake’.
Maybe I’m a bit dim but I can’t seem to figure out how raising one’s hand to vote and representing a constituency that would guarantee your re-election for decades if all you did was vote liberal over and over again somehow indicates the greatness or courage of a man. In the years since he killed that girl can one thing that he did be named that would have put his re-election in jeopardy? Color me unimpressed.
Comment by MarkD on 8/29 @ 7:09 am #
For someone happy to die for the cause, she tried awful hard to get out of that car. How can anyone believe this nonsense, or let it go unchallenged?
Comment by guinsPen on 8/29 @ 7:39 am #
Comment by Bob Reed on 8/29 @ 7:56 am #
I’m with you sdferr…
Methinks that Doctor Zero is an alter ego for Jeff G.
He said there were too many folks who hated him. And remember, he spoke of rising like a phoenix.
Comment by B Moe on 8/29 @ 8:12 am #
Even if this were true, why do you all feel the need to publicize it?
Comment by Bob Reed on 8/29 @ 8:22 am #
BMoe,
That’s why I’ve held off saying anything until now, when I can agree with other’s supposition…
And it won’t pass my lips again!
Comment by guinsPen on 8/29 @ 10:33 am #
I’m with dice’.
Comment by ThomasD on 8/29 @ 10:42 am #
That was the nature of Kennedy’s Faustian bargain with the left. They would claim and defend him so long as he toed the line.
Kennedy was a sad, flawed human being who did some very unfortunate things. Chief among these was allowing the left to lionize him.
Comment by Danger on 8/29 @ 11:28 am #
“Methinks that Doctor Zero is an alter ego for….”
I was thinking perhaps one of the regular PW crew could be the good Doctor.
Anyone else have a suspect?
Comment by serr8d on 8/29 @ 12:30 pm #
Doc Zero isn’t Jeff. What we have here, and I’m guilty too, is a nascent ‘troofer!’ movement, seeing Jeff behind every green door.
Doc Zero’s read Jeff at some point I would guess. But there’s no harm done in the reading of, or in the learning from, or even in the emulating of (with a much scaled-down perspective) a gifted teacher.
Comment by sdferr on 8/29 @ 12:42 pm #
Behind every green door, Serr8d? Yikes.
Comment by serr8d on 8/29 @ 1:16 pm #
Errm…sdferr…of course I was referring to the Jim Lowe ditty from ‘56.
Youngster!!!1!1!!!
Comment by serr8d on 8/29 @ 1:19 pm #
“…when I said Joe sent me someone laughed out loud behind The Green Door…” ;D
Comment by serr8d on 8/30 @ 8:49 am #
Comment by sdferr on 8/30 @ 9:02 am #
“… short of a claim of authorship …” + “… I’m not Jeff Goldstein …” is close enough for government work I guess.
Comment by serr8d on 8/30 @ 9:28 am #
Yeah, after reading his post’s title, I had to know.
But now the Green Room is forced into my already-overloaded g00gle reader. Now, Someone has to go. I just don’t have the time to read, or even glance, at all of ‘em. So, who? Ace? Insty? Hot Air’s main site? Or one of the lefty blogs I troll??
Comment by sdferr on 8/30 @ 9:39 am #
Just read your question to Doc Zero Serr8d and wanted to reiterate I must dissent from this bit: “Your style approaches that of …”. It isn’t in the style of writing — as I noted above — that I saw a resemblance, but in the overlap of positions or ideas they hold. My initial post says [or should have said, if properly edited] “he’[s] good in a way with which we here at PW are long familiar
with” but does not say or claim that “JG is Dr. Zero” (nor, may I add, do any of my subsequent posts make such a claim, though other folks in the thread seem to).But then, ideas are different from other things that way, in that two may hold the same thing in the same respect at the same time, unlike, say, a slice of pizza.
Comment by serr8d on 8/30 @ 10:19 am #
Of course you’re right, sdferr. But all I knows is that when I first read Doc Zero’s stuff, I gots this…tingle…up my left leg.
NTTAWWT.
;D