‘Obama, pfffft what a putz’ [Darleen Click]

	Return to Protein Wisdom homepage « Bill on Runaway Government. [JHoward] \| Home \| Obama pulls stats out of his … [Darleen Click] » August 12, 2009 ‘Obama, pfffft what a putz’ [Darleen Click] So pronounced my 80 year old father from his hospital bed yesterday afternoon after watching reports of Obama’s Kabuki theater appearance in Portsmouth. Dad had a mild heart attack late Monday and yesterday was in the hospital for tests (angiogram today). He doesn’t do hospitals well, so after a morning and afternoon of watching the news he was raring to talk politics (his passion) over dinner. He is annoyed that the Democrats, like AARP refuse to listen to any criticism of their statist plans and are now going to pretend to have “townhall” meetings by invite [the correct-thinking people] only. And yes, my parents’ have decided after watching the rude and condescending way seniors were treated by AARP, to join the thousands of others by cancelling their 25 year-long membership. Both of them, too, are disgusted with how the Obama Networks are working overtime in trying to make citizens who dare question The One’s omnigloriousness into nutters. Logic doesn’t matter to the Left. Certainly, the minute Obama goes off teleprompter, he babbles out revealing quotes I think private insurers should be able to compete. They do it all the time. I mean, if you think about, if you think about it, um, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. Right? The, uh, no they are. I mean, it’s the post office that’s always having problems. Yet, Barry is demanding nationalized medicine; it can’t be because he thinks it will run like FedEx. No, Obama’s use of an eleven year old child is illustrative of what I have stated earlier. The Left feels that the most important relationship a person can have is with the Government and Government is the ultimate parent to everyone. My father is alarmed at how blatant Obama and company have become in their goals for Transforming America(tm). Even illness hasn’t dulled his cognitive ability to see how Obama can posture and spin with five bills with thousands of pages to cherry-pick in his bid to silence critics. He is rightly worried that nationalized medicine will spell the end of the private insurance he and my mother have always paid for out of their own pocket to suppliment Medicare and that allows him to have, at this moment, the doctor of his choice. He wonders what medicine or procedure an Obama “cost board” would allow for a man his age. And he worries more what it will mean for his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Posted by Darleen @ 8:58 am Comments (294) \| Trackback 294 Comments ::: Post a comment » Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 9:07 am # Our prayers to you and yours, Darleen. Comment by Joe on 8/12 @ 9:07 am # Fed Ex and UPS sit on the post office board. And the USPS actually runs semi autonmously, with a heavy government subsidy. Actually this relationship is not beneficial to consumers and anti competitive. But this is not a good model for heath care. The numbers are way bigger, the issues far more complex. And it is unlikely insurers and medical providers will be sitting on the board of the federal insurance system. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 9:13 am # Comparing the Postal Service to UPS or FedEx is like comparing apples to elephants, especially since they are banned from competing with the Postal Service in the delivery of 1st Class mail. I could not believe that he used that comparison, seeing as how just delivering mail generates multiple billion dollar deficits every year. But healthcare will be different. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 9:16 am # Best to your dad, Darleen. Also thank hims for canceling his AARP thing. That is a very thoughtful and caring thing to do. Comment by maggie katzen on 8/12 @ 9:16 am # Deficit Neutral, bitches! Comment by Salt Lick on 8/12 @ 9:17 am # Yet, Barry is demanding nationalized medicine; it can’t be because he thinks it will run like FedEx. Prolly more like UPS, Darleen. Brown shirts. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 9:18 am # Also I thought the way Barack pimped out that little girl just for to get his durty socialist kicks was sick. He’s really all about the debasement. Comment by Salt Lick on 8/12 @ 9:18 am # And I hope your dad gets the prettiest nurses. Comment by AlexinCT on 8/12 @ 9:20 am # Hope & Change ™… The New USSR coming to a place near you soon! Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 9:27 am # Lately, when it’s pointed out that Obama is stacking his town hall meetings with shills, supporters, and virtually no dissenting voices, the left makes a Tu Quoque argument. They often point out, as Jake Tapper did yesterday after hearing that complaint he responded, “all the conservatweeps out there – did you object when President Bush packed his town halls w/supporters?“, that Boooooooosh! stacked town hall meetings too! http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/3249827670 And that may be true. But what they are missing is that regardless of the number of friendlies that were in any Booooosh! audience, there were always dissenting voices that would hold his feet to the fire; namely, the members of the adversarial MSM… In Obama metings? Not so much; both the shills and the media hacks were all swooning… Obama told lie after lie at the NH event yetsterday. Especially some whoppers, such as when he claimed that he had never advocated a single payer system; not exactly a smart thing to lie about in the youtube age-especially by a man who’s every spoken word has been filmed by someone somewhere… All of this lying, as well as the SEIU thuggery, is going to catch up with Obama and the liberal Democrats. Their popularity will continue to erode, as well as support for this bill. Obama thinks that with his astroturf allies, union bullies, and MSM mouthpieces, that time is on their side instead of against them. They believe that either public interest will fade, or the propaganda inertia wil cause the argument to shift in their favor. But each day this is a topic if discussion at kitchen tables is a day it’s popularity wil continue to wane; and Obama’s along with it… All the best to you and yours Darleen, I’ll remember your Dad in my prayer list Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 9:28 am # Alexin CT, What is the HTML code to get that trademark symbol? I’ve been wondering… Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 9:31 am # ™ = ALT + 0153 ® = ALT + 0174 On a PC, that is. On a Mac, yer on yer own. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 9:34 am # Oh, you meant HTML, not keystroke. In that case, ™ = & trade ; ® = & reg ; minus the spaces, of course. Comment by BJTexs on 8/12 @ 9:35 am # Prayers for your Dad, Darleen. It was mind blowing to hear Obama talk about the public insurance option being able to “compete with private insurance” without “tax payer subsidies” while, almost within the same sentence, using the Post Office as an example, a multi-year cash bleeding organization propped up by ginormous tax payer subsidies. I’m shocked the cognitive dissonance didn’t cause a power outage in Portsmouth. I used to think that our President was just naive and misdirected. I’m now convinced that he is an intellectual lightweight with a great voice. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 9:35 am # “all the conservatweeps out there – did you object when President Bush packed his town halls w/supporters?“, This is how you answer a tu quoque: “Was it wrong when Bush did it? Then it’s wrong when Obama does it.” Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 9:37 am # Or you can use “And symbol” “trade” “semicolon” ™ Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 9:38 am # That’s what I get for not reloading before posting. Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 9:44 am # “such as when he claimed that he had never advocated a single payer system; not exactly a smart thing to lie about in the youtube age” At least when Bill Clinton shook his finger at the nation and said he had not had sex with that woman, the blue dress had not been revealed or tested yet. He had a reasonable expectation that he would get away with it. Obama is depending on being able to make his own words go down a memory hole. That’s either brazen, insane, or both. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 9:48 am # No, Obama’s use of an eleven year old child is illustrative of what I have stated earlier Yes, it’s completely baffling how a child whose parent is a politically active Democrat could possibly have wound up at this meeting, and who would also be interested in asking a question of the President. See, this is just the problem I have with this sort of knee-jerk punditry: nearly everything the other guys do is seen as evidence of some kind of wrongdoing, particularly if someone else sees it that way first. Comment by SBP on 8/12 @ 10:06 am # This Post Office thing may turn out to be Obama’s “Dean Scream” or “Dukakis in the tank” moment. Best to your Dad, Darleen. It sounds like he’s still full of spirit, and that’s the most important thing. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 10:06 am # BJ – Do you think it is ignorance, naivete, or brazen mendacity that led The One to make such a ridiculous comparison? Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/12 @ 10:14 am # He is lieing about ever supporting single payer healthcare because he knows the media will just let him do it. They already have with several other things he has said and he was allowed to lie about this in the primary against Clinton. There is an interview with Katie Curic where she asked him about his lie and he says “I am sorry I didn’t hear that” and Katie allows him to skate without answering. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 10:18 am # There’s a yoot over here what needs schooling. He gets the definitional difference between grassroots and astroturf, but he has a hard time applying that definition to real life. I’ve already given him a double what-for: time he hears from others, too. Here’s an example of this mental atom-splitter’s logic: This doesn’t make the emotions of these angry folks incorrect, only their understanding of the facts. Face it, when someone shouts, “Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!”, they don’t really have a a firm grasp on what’s really going on. Princeton professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell explained in an interview with Keith Olberman that research has shown that in times of change, people’s anxiety about that change can be channeled into “racial, moral, and political intolerance.” This rage is all too apparent in these town hall meetings. Also, it turns out that if you comment through Disqus, you can edit your own comments after you post them. Yippee! Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 10:25 am # Obama is depending on being able to make his own words go down a memory hole. That’s either brazen, insane, or both. ::trots out hobby horse:: Actually, it’s a classic symptom of malignant narcissism: narcissists “remember” the past only insofar as it’s convenient to them. They, unable to see other people as having a full existence independent of their own, don’t understand why people don’t “remember” the past the same way as they do. They become really agitated and defensive when you remind them of what actually happened, because YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPORTING CAST IN MY PSYCHO-DRAMA. SUPPORTING! GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Also, best wishes to Darleen’s dad. Hope he gets back on his feet soon. Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/12 @ 10:27 am # I think Deb has the video of where Couric questions him on his lies and he sits there and acts like he can’t hear them. Then Katie just sits there acts like he answers the question because she doesn’t want to embarrass dear leader. It is pretty damn funny. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 10:31 am # Best reason to follow Twitter: Treacher (JTlol) Oh yes, wait a minute, Mr. Postman Way-ay-ay-ait, Mr. Postman Please, Mr. Postman, look and see If I qualify for surgery I’ve been waiting a mighty long time Just to hear from that doctor of mine There must be some word today About my much-needed hospital stay Please, Mr. Postman, look and see What are my chances of mortality? I’ve been standing here waiting, Mr. Postman So-oh-oh unhealthy For just a word from my physician Saying he’ll be getting ’round to me Please, Mr. Postman, look and see If it’s a gurney or a hearse for me I’d like to ask, if you really don’t mind For just a minute of a specialist’s time So many days you passed me by If I don’t get help soon, I’ll probably die You wouldn’t stop to make me feel better I’ve got worse health care than an Irish Setter Please, Mr. Postman, look and see What are my chances, oh yeah, of recovery? You know, it’s been so long Yeah, since I heard ’bout those lab tests of mine You better wait a minute, wait a minute Whoa, you better wait a minute Please, please, Mr. Postman Please check it and see, am I a casualty? You better wait, wait a minute Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute Please, Mr. Postman It’s not just a rumor, please look at this tumor Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 10:31 am # Sensational comment at that Lprogressive” site, dicentra. I have to admit to raucous laughter when I saw that greasy-haired hippy dude’s picture at the top of that post. All he is missing is the water-bong. But he is a good footsoldier. Comment by SBP on 8/12 @ 10:36 am # Nice takedown, dicentra. We’ll see if he allows it to stay up once he drags himself out of bed for his morning doobie. Comment by JimK on 8/12 @ 10:37 am # Best wishes for your dad, Darleen. My dad turns 80 this December. He spends his summers traveling the country visiting his BMW motorcycle buddies and rallies. Two years ago he had to give up the bike because of the onset of Parkinsons, couldn’t hold the handlebars steady for long periods. It really broke him up. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:41 am # I don’t think using little kids to stage political theater to the explicit end of turning that same dim-witted and pliable little child into a dirty socialist welfare serf for the rest of her rat-fucked life is cool beans. Lil hoochie got USED. Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 10:43 am # “Yes, it’s completely baffling how a child whose parent is a politically active Democrat could possibly have wound up at this meeting, and who would also be interested in asking a question of the President.” I agree that it is not out of line for this to happen. Was it setup in advance? Most likely yes, and that is not a problem, though it tarnishes the image of “Townhall Meeting”. The people I wish to know about, to the extent of are they as self described, is the ones that are portrayed as the opponents at this and other “controlled” Townhall Meetings. It has been SOP on the left to have their own operatives go out and pretend to be of the opposition. On blogs they are the “concern” trolls. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 10:48 am # Geoffb – You are so kind. I would just point out that they are lying dishonest mendoucheous twatwaffles. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 10:49 am # I don’t think using little kids to stage political theater to the explicit end of turning that same dim-witted and pliable little child into a dirty socialist welfare serf for the rest of her rat-fucked life is cool beans. Assumes evidence not…evident, happyfeet. Lil hoochie got USED. Everyone gets used in that sense, else Objectivists would die out after one generation. Just as an example. Was it setup in advance? Most likely yes Ditto, here. Set up in advance…by whom? Plausible: that Mom wanted to attend, daughter wanted to go as well, and wanted to meet the Prez. Mom notifies DNC, who notify the Pres, and the Pres decides it would make good press to call on the kid. Not what you and I want to see, sure, but it’s how politics is done. I can’t see it working the other way: that Obama asks the mom to have her kid ask a question. Or maybe there’s a different scenario? Comment by Robohobo on 8/12 @ 10:56 am # My best to your Dad and you. Enjoy the time that you are allowed with him. He wonders what medicine or procedure an Obama “cost board” would allow for a man his age. He would be encouraged to take the black pill. “Just bite down. It only hurts for a moment.” Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:57 am # I think there’s plenty evidence that the Barack Obama is seeking to Defile our nation and her peoples and he has used this child as His Instrument to that end. He’s a sick sick man. When this child grows up and her peers remember it’s in part because of her precocious toolery that the government confiscates 80% of their wages and medical advances have stalled and our little country is a stagnant fascist third world backwater what has been suffocated in dirty socialist debt, I bet they look at her and say jeez you got played, you know that right? I wonder what her response will be? Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 10:57 am # Shorter me: concern about proposed healthcare policy is worthy of discussion, but the White House Garden and things of that nature are just a gigantic waste of time. Even if they’re what Michelle Malkin thinks they’re interesting. YMMV, of course. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 10:59 am # It was reported elsewhere that this Mom and daughter campaigned previously for Teh One, and the little one had met Teh One at prior politcal events. Remember, just yesterday, when staging events was evil? Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 11:00 am # If Chuck Norris finds a dirty little secret in HR 3200, and congress hasn’t read the bill, is it still there? (That was lame; there’s got to be a better punchline than that.) This time? “‘Home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.’ The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.” Belleza. Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 11:00 am # OT: for happyfeet, At Belmont Club in this post there were these two things linked that made me wonder what your take on them would be. Johnnie Walker “Walk” commercial and Seth Godwin’s talk on marketing. For myself I like the commercial, on the talk I can’t comment as it is not my area at all. Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 11:01 am # Hmph. We used to say “Potemkin Village”. Now we can use “Obama press conference” for pretty much the same concept. Regards, Ric Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 11:01 am # I think there’s plenty evidence that the Barack Obama is seeking to Defile our nation and her peoples and he has used this child as His Instrument to that end. He’s a sick sick man. I have no idea how to respond to stuff like this, hf. My exaggeration meter only goes to 11, while yours seems to go to at least 20. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 11:03 am # Remember, just yesterday, when staging events was evil? I remember when I thought it was not evil, but teh Crazies thought it was evil. Why should I become teh Crazy? For that matter, why should you? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 11:09 am # Slart – I am not suggesting you are crazy or evil. I was just making a general observation about the coverage. I watched Crissy Mathews last night, and his exaggeration meter goes to 9135+. Did you know that the protesters are violent birther racists bought and paid for by K-street lobbyists? Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 11:11 am # Yeah, I know. Also, they carry loaded firearms. We are all Chris Matthews, now. Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 11:11 am # A local media report from outside the Obama TownHall. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 11:16 am # Crissy Mathews was completely befuddled by the gun dude. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 11:18 am # why do people want a new system that can — that help more of us? WHY? Why, Barack?? ANSWER ME. ANSWER ME NOW BITCH. Don’t make me put my dancin’ shoes on. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 11:23 am # can I hear 25? Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 11:26 am # that looks neat geoff – I will try and do that when I get home – can’t watch videos here. Not sure why the company thinks that’s acceptable. I’m gonna mention that in my exit interview I think. Comment by BJTexs on 8/12 @ 11:28 am # Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 10:06 am # BJ – Do you think it is ignorance, naivete, or brazen mendacity that led The One to make such a ridiculous comparison? D: All of the above Ignorance and naivete are the twin sons of different mothers. Each feeds off of the other. Mendacity is required behavior by the first two. Simply ignoring or lying about plain facts allows the narrative to proceed apace without stoppage.All of which reflects a second rate mind when the lies are clumsy and easily spotlighted, an intellect-lite given ongoing cover by the equally hard boiled narrative pimpers in the MSM, more than a few of whom are also second rate minds. That’s my “narrative” and I’m sticking to it. Slart: I respect you but am not on board with the whole “scary conservative screechers frighten moderates.” Those very same moderates had no problem voting for the party of KOS, DU, Code Pink, ACORN, Soros and Moveon. Eight years of “reasoned debate” Main Street style have brought us to this point of criticality. It’s time to embrace the anger (legally and smartly) and stand on the same principles that once caused our Founders to take up arms. Not to suggest taking up arms but to apply the same sense of righteous outrage to this trashing of our Constitutional origins. Comment by gregorbo on 8/12 @ 11:37 am # President Obama’s grandmother died last November “after a long battle with cancer.” (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122575547493495003.html) She was 86. Question: Under the current legislation, would the treatment she received have qualified or would Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Rham’s brother and current advisor to the President on Health care policy, have deemed that she was one “who [is] irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens” and therefore not worthy of care? Not to oversimplify Emanuel’s statement (from a Hastings Policy Center article from Nov/Dev 96), his point then was that it was ethical (non-discriminatory), in his words, to divert care away from 65 year olds to 25 year olds on the theory that everyone who makes it to 65 was once 25 and therefore had access to the superior care a “communitarian” health care policy would provide. But still–on his theory, it is unlikely that Obama’s grandmother would have received, under a single-payer system, much more than the pain meds she’d no doubt prefer in order to go home and “die with dignity.” Flag me! Comment by The Monster on 8/12 @ 11:47 am # How anyone can look at those two pictures and not think the “Astroturf” and “Grassroots” captions were reversed is beyond me. Comment by The Monster on 8/12 @ 11:50 am # Flag me! http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15209#comment-767070” rel=”nofollow”>Flag yourself. Comment by The Monster on 8/12 @ 11:51 am # dammit Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 11:59 am # am not on board with the whole “scary conservative screechers frighten moderates.” I’m not really making that point, just that we should not ourselves become that which we have loathed for the last 8 years or so. Comment by Thingumbob on 8/12 @ 12:02 pm # Obamacide? Let’s see if I get the Obamacide healthcare bill rationale correct: Insurance companies are rationing healthcare. Rationing healthcare leads to people unnecessarily ill or dead. That’s evil. The oversight board set up by the healthcare legislation will have the final say on appropriate coverage for patients. That means rationing (or “triage”, if you prefer). Now the government can take over from the greedy insurance companies that are causing patients to go without healthcare. In the current budgetary crisis we must have a major cutbacks on healthcare costs. Why? Because we are spending trillions to bailout too big to fail banks (e.g. Goldman Sachs)and insurance companies’ (viz. AIG)gambling debts (AKA derivative securities.) Therefore I believe now our liberal government under Obama wants to be brought into the business of doing evil liberally in its own right. Bravo! Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 12:03 pm # You bitches have been flagged, repeatedly. I am watching. Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 12:17 pm # I’m not really making that point, just that we should not ourselves become that which we have loathed for the last 8 years or so. The last eight years? The internet has made fast work of cataloging transgressions but this has been the way the left has conducted itself for decades. Comment by death panel update on 8/12 @ 12:24 pm # Sen. Johnny Isakson, 4/24/08 Comment by maggie katzen on 8/12 @ 12:27 pm # Kazillions of dollars, he says! Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/12 @ 12:32 pm # Eight years, forever, whatevs. Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/12 @ 12:55 pm # I think we all need to relax. Did someone mention puppies? Comment by BJTexs on 8/12 @ 1:00 pm # Um I don’t see the correlation with “death panels” in that clip. He’s merely asking for a requirement to have a living will (he incorrectly refers to “Power of Attorney” without mentioning living wills and DNR orders) which places the person’s own stated interests as the guiding structure for end of life decisions. Not some panel. Not some health “czar.” It was ham handedly presented but I think his intention was to point out that people making their own decisions about end of life via proxy will save money and, as well, a lot of painful issues for family members, something I learned with my mother’s recent passing. Did I miss something? Was he talking about Power of Attorney being given to Medicare? I didn’t get that but if I missed it, please help me see it so that I can be appropriately outraged. Comment by SarahW on 8/12 @ 1:06 pm # May Dad get well soon, Darleen – all the best to you and yours. Comment by SarahW on 8/12 @ 1:19 pm # BJTexas, the 1233 provision requires doctors (if they are to be paid) to a forced-participation speech about matters having nothing to do with risks and benefits of a particular treatment, and regarding matters outside their expertise and scope of practice, including legal advice about durable powers of attorney, and distribution and EXPLANATION of legal documents that don’t have anything to do with diagnosing disease or specifically treating disease, and setting up legal proxies and instructions in the event one becomes incompetent to choose for himself. It comes too close to pushing the patient to prearrange refusal of interventions. It’s tied in the bill to troubling language about basically cutting yourself off from life-extending or saving services to save money for the system. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 1:24 pm # What we have loathed is who we are cause we stood by as it grabbed hold our little country and dragged it into the bushes and laid some wicked Bad Touch on it and now our Congress and our schools and Universities and workplaces and White House and car manufacturers and our media and our courts and our embassies are in the hands of dirty socialists what hold no love for individuals or their liberty and have no decent regard for freedom or capitalism or democracy. It happened cause we failed failed failed to hold on to what we had been given. We’ll have about a two trillion dollar deficit this year. That’s just trashy, it’s definitional, and a trashy trashy country is what we have become. Dismayingly quickly. A sadder squandering of a noble legacy you will not find. We are, as a people, scum. We has a new anthem and it is ours together because we all failed together. No need for any American to be acting morally superior to any other I don’t think cause it’s the failure of our righteous men what our little country feels most keenly these days. Hi, Arlen! Hi, Lympia! Hi, Meghan’s coward daddy! Righteous fecklessness won the day and our little country has forsaken its past and its heritage and it has to learn to walk all over again. We are reborn as a nation but on the wrong side of the tracks and in Inauspicious Circumstances. It’s just awful. Comment by SporkLift Driver on 8/12 @ 1:32 pm # test™® Comment by SporkLift Driver on 8/12 @ 1:34 pm # ™® Comment by Danger on 8/12 @ 1:40 pm # More fuel for Happyfeets fire. And my prayers for Darleen’s family as well. Comment by Danger on 8/12 @ 1:42 pm # http://www.northstarwriters.com/dkk193.htm sorry need to work on my link-fu Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 1:43 pm # Good News. The completely unbiased SPLC is helping the cause by ensuring the people know that the danger of right wing militias is at an all time high. Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 1:50 pm # Re: Death Panels. Apparently if you use the the right combination of words it means that the underlying issues that they represent don’t need to be discussed anymore. From that moment on, the only thing that counts is the shiny object. We are all crows, apparently. My question is, if your private insurance denies you coverage that will save your life – you have potential recourse through the courts, or through paying for whatever it is yourself. If it is the government who denies the coverage, what recourse is available? Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 1:54 pm # Makewi on 8/12 @ 1:43 pm – Contemptuous as I am of the panderers and baiters at the SPLC Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 1:56 pm # Bah. Fat fingers. Makewi on 8/12 @ 1:43 pm – Contemptuous as I am of the panderers and baiters at the SPLC, I must admit that they might have the right of it. With SEIU and ACORN-sponsored goon gangs roaming more or less at will, there is in fact a danger of “right wing militias”, which is really nothing more than “Oh, shit, they might fight back, and they’re the ones who insisted on keeping their guns.” Regards, Ric Comment by B Moe on 8/12 @ 2:02 pm # Honestly, any chance of me having a rational discussion on this matter go right out the window every time I hear Obama or one of his pinheads tell me “they are going to let me keep my private plan”. Comment by BJTexs on 8/12 @ 2:16 pm # Sarah W: I’m aware of the provisions in 1233 and find them odious. My point was to the clip of the Georgia Senator in 2008. He was advocating as a cost control measure that people establish their power of attorney/Living wills/DNR criteria and agreements before signing up for Medicare. I still fail to see the connection between that and the “Death panels” and Doctors being required to counsel patients about end of life issues. I may be dense, is all. Happyfeet: Please, please, please don’t ever stop commentating. you are a gem, if that gem were a brilliant if quirky and slightly mutated stone from Antartica. And also: Glad to see you, Ric. Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 2:24 pm # Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 2:30 pm # &trade &copy &reg Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 2:32 pm # yeah there’s something I’m not getting about this superscript…My HTML-FU is weal indeed… Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 2:37 pm # Need a semicolon after it Bob Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 2:38 pm # ™ Comment by Bob Reed on 8/12 @ 2:39 pm # ™ ® © Thanks geoffb, more tools of expression are good! Comment by danny on 8/12 @ 2:41 pm # Darleen we have not joined AARP because of their polital left views. Good luck. Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/12 @ 2:54 pm # Darleen, my very best wishes to your dad. A couple of nice items by James Taranto at WSJ on Obamacare. I think he agrees with your dad. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 2:57 pm # A trending Twitter topic is #ilovetheNHS. I saw it only when FrankJ added to its topic, so I thought it was a farce. Nope. The prevailing retweet is “REPUBLICANS! The NHS will happily remove your head from your arsehole – FOR FREE!” Free. That’s what the Brits keep saying. Free. Because nobody pays the doctors and nurses, nobody pays for lights and electricity, nobody pays for the meds and equipment. The people work FOR FREE and the rest materializes out of thin air. Morons. Comment by maggie katzen on 8/12 @ 3:01 pm # huh, I guess misery really does love company. Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/12 @ 3:13 pm # I’m a user and funder of the NHS, and I most certainly don’t “heart” it. From it’s crumbling buildings, infection ridden wards, and scandalous waiting lists to the ineptitude of it’s staff, it represents the worst aspects of a monolithic state organ that at best suceeds in delivering a mediocre service to everyone. As Mark Steyn says: The NHS was, as the then Health Secretary Nye Bevan said at its inception in 1948, a “moral” project, designed to eliminate the inequalities in health outcomes between rich and poor. Yet, as the Registrar General of Scotland has acknowledged, in the last six decades the inequalities have, in fact, widened — not least in basic life expectancy. So much for the social justice of government health care. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 3:14 pm # All the good ones left Europe and came here. They’re proud to be animals in the zoo: guaranteed health care (and MRSA), protection from life’s hardships (except Daleks), and no reason to reproduce. Arrested adolescents, all of them. Couldn’t take care of themselves if released into the wild because Mommy did so much for them. Marie Barone would be jealous of that grip. Comment by royf on 8/12 @ 3:20 pm # Test™ Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 3:24 pm # All the good ones left Europe and came here. Not all; witness Silver Whistle, and there are a number of others. But enough to make a significant difference. Regards, Ric Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 3:42 pm # Anyone ever see or hear from wishbone? Bad Touch, happyfeet? Good Allah, I laughed for hours. Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/12 @ 3:57 pm # Thanks for the vote of confidence Ric, but us old Whigs are an endangered species, apart from the wilds here where we can escape the eye of Sauron. Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/12 @ 4:14 pm # My mom is genuinely concerned about what will happen in the near future. She’s over 70 now, she fears a time when the elderly are too large a burden on the system and “let go.” She’s safe: she has four (big) sons to protect and keep her in comfort and safety, and she knows a better life awaits her. But what of others? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:17 pm # you nutters never actually read 1233, didja? Let me ask you this – why shouldn’t doctors be paid for doing the job they already do routinely? Private insurance sure ain’t paying them to explain the end-of-life process. Let me ask you another question – would you rather get the DPOA and living will talk from a hospital bureaucrat or your doctor? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:18 pm # oh fucking christ. you actually think Obama is out to kill old people don’t you? no wonder nobody wants to “debate” you fucking morons. Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 4:20 pm # No one escapes the Eye of Sauron, Whistle. But its omniscience is a self-delusion. It’s perfectly possible to be somewhere it isn’t paying attention to at the moment. This does not constitute immunity, because at any moment you may find yourself in the field-of-view. The other thing is, because Sauron is omniscient he has to hire flunkies. When you have two or three TV cameras you can worry about them spotting you. When you have tens of thousands… well, what sort of people would you recruit to watch TV screens where nothing happens for hours on end? Same with the rest of it. There are only so many people available for hire as Secret Police, and once you’ve depleted that pool all you have left are the pure thugs. Old Whigs are an endangered species everywhere. Perhaps we should apply to the Authorities to be put on the list. Regards, Ric Comment by Rusty on 8/12 @ 4:22 pm # #95 Through rationing, yes. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:26 pm # hoot is another fucking imbecile. Not really a surprise to anyone, was it? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:27 pm # I’ll say it nice and loud for you – HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY RATIONED. There, now read it again. One more time. Now STFU. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:28 pm # I’ll ask you another question – who is more likely to have a treatment withdrawn of denied in the first place? A privately insured person or a Medicare covered person? Now STFU. Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/12 @ 4:29 pm # Who are you talking to, JD? Comment by Carin on 8/12 @ 4:30 pm # Dr. Emmanuel, Obama health policy advisor: We recommend an alternative system–the complete lives system–which prioritises younger people who have not yet live a complete life and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles. *** Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different states rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life. L**** In a separate 1996 article for the Hastings Center Report, Emanuel spoke about rationing care away from those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens” to the non-disabled, adding “An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.” gee, I wonder where we got the idea Obama didn’t really care that much about those old (and disabled) folks? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:31 pm # I love it. STFU you fucking wingers. The adults want to have a rational discussion. Go fuck yourself with a swordfish, hoot. Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 4:31 pm # I love when these moonbats show up with their new talking points. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 4:32 pm # Hey hoot. You’re a moron. Trollhammered. Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 4:32 pm # Oh fucking christ. you actually think Obama is out to kill old people don’t you? No, we don’t think Obama is “out to kill old people”. But, then, Vladimir Ulyanov and Josip Dzougashvili weren’t out to kill anybody, either. It’s just that their Utopian schemes didn’t work, and the only reason they could possibly imagine for that was opposition from “reactionaries”, “obstructionists”, and “wreckers”. They concluded, with deep regret, that the only way to progress was to eliminate the rocks in the road. Sound familiar? “Rich peasants are hoarding the food you need!” Ulyanov told the people, who then encouraged him to eliminate the problem. “Old people who don’t contribute are soaking up the money we need for efficient health care!” Right? THE SCHEME WON’T WORK. It won’t do what you expect it to do, and it won’t do what they say it will do. Payment for health care is decided by corporate bureaucrats, sitting in cubicle offices, hounded by their supervisors to stay within budget, and bound by books of corporate rules and policies. You propose that payment for health care be decided by Government bureaucrats, sitting in cubicle offices, hounded by their supervisors to stay within budget, and bound by whole bookcases full of Federal regulations which their Union insists that they need not even know — and you expect it to be better? Of course you do. And when it doesn’t get better — and it won’t, because it can’t; it will only get worse — you’ll be looking for Kulaks to eliminate. It’s inevitable. It’s the only thing that can happen. Regards, Ric Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 4:33 pm # Of course health care is rationed. There is no unlimited supply of anything. The question, hoot, is why you think the situation will improve when you allow those who have the ability to make the laws, who run the courts, own the armies and the police force to be the ones who do the rationing. I would imagine that under the correct set of circumstances you rail against how rigged and/or evil any one of those other institutions are, and yet you want to add another even more important area to the mix. Honestly, this just makes you retarded. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:34 pm # It isn’t a new talking point, it is fucking rational thought instead of pant-wetting insanity. Give it a try, you might like it. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:36 pm # Yes, and it is such a shame that Hawking would never have survived in such a Commie hellhole as envisioned by Obama. Change your pants. Comment by Carin on 8/12 @ 4:36 pm # Hoot – health care is rationed if you have crappy health insurance. It’s MY option to seek out a better plan. Regardless, I find it endlessly entertaining that you folks who didn’t trust the government with library records and tapping into the conversations of terrorists now suddenly are perfectly happy with entrusting their LIFE. NO, I don’t want them checking out what books I read, but yep, they can have access to my bank accounts, and tell me what procedures are effective. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:36 pm # You would not know rational thought if it crawled out your ass, hoot. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:39 pm # The truly sad part is the media is giving credence to these half-assed and lazy arguments. OBAMA’S GONNA KILL GRAMMY! Our country is well and truly fucked. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:39 pm # Carin, all health care is rationed. If you claim otherwise, you are ignorant. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 4:39 pm # Barack Obama wants central planning for medical care. He’s a shitty person. Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 4:40 pm # A rational thinker? Carrying on like a shrill infant in need of a poop removal strongly suggests you’re nothing more than an idiot who was handed a nickel to carry to a gumball machine. You’re an angry mob of one here. An Astroturfing terrorist in our little town hall! Comment by sdferr on 8/12 @ 4:40 pm # Take a hike hoot. It’ll do your cardiovascular system some good and the bonus in the bargain, we’ll be rid of your juvenile insults. Comment by B Moe on 8/12 @ 4:44 pm # all health care is rationed. If you claim otherwise, you are ignorant. So let’s have a reasonable discussion, hoot. On what basis is it rationed now, and how will it be different under ObamaCare? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:44 pm # I do need to poop, Abe. How did you know that? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:45 pm # B Moe, you forgot OBAMER WANNA SHOOT MY GRAND-DA! BARACKY EAT OLD LADIES! DOWN BABY PORRIDGE! Wasszat about discussion, fuckwit? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:46 pm # hoot is just a good little footsoldier. Now STFU, bend over and take it, wingerz! Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 4:48 pm # Why do you hate old people hoot? Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 4:49 pm # California is what Barack Obama wants to do to America. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:50 pm # I still recall the day Stephen Hawking was ground into chuck and fed to Parliament in their corned beef hash breakfast. Fucking animals. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:52 pm # Abe, I think old people deserve great health care. I also think they deserve to be advised on end-of-life issues. Why don’t you? Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 4:52 pm # The prisons are full of the innocent AND health care will be cheaper and better under the government. It’s crap you know. You can have your cake and eat it too. Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 4:52 pm # Stephen Hawking fucks animals? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:52 pm # Hoot felches goats while he donkeypunches Michael Moore. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 4:53 pm # If there is single payer health insurance, where do you go for redress? Nowhere. At least private insurance companies have to respond to the people they insure. The government would not have to. The government cannot run Medicare, and the costs they don’t pay are paid by people who are currently privately insured. Yet, somehow, they will be able to have single-payer work just fine. Right. Anyone who thinks that single-payer is a good idea is delusional. Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 4:55 pm # Stephen Hawking is proof that Obama loves you and would never steer you wrong, even by accident. How’s that nest coming hoot? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 4:55 pm # Cranky – Was there any doubt that hoot is delusional? Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 4:55 pm # No, hoot, “rational” has nothing to do with it, starting with your taking the Talking Point™ for granted, and continuing with the obvious fact that you have the time sense of a hamster. Right Now! exists. Tomorrow isn’t real, and next year? –pfui. It can take care of itself. Health care isn’t “rationed”, for the same reason that plonking you isn’t “censorship”. Only the Government can do “rationing”, because only the Government is allowed to have the teams of goons necessary to make “rationing” (sort of) work. Now, health care is allocated, just like any and every thing that isn’t in infinite supply. Your complaint is that you don’t like the allocation method and propose to implement a different one. The problem is — the method you propose assumes a (practically) unlimited supply. It doesn’t exist. The supply remains finite, it is smaller than you would like, and the allocation method you propose is certain to have the side effect of reducing* an already-limited supply.* And when that becomes obvious — when it becomes clear that infinite demand for a finite commodity is not going to supply the Utopia you expect — your only choice is going to be rationing, the real, Government, goon-enforced thing. Regards, Ric Comment by Makewi on 8/12 @ 4:56 pm # Oh cranky! What redress do you need under the loving arms of mother government? Prisoners get nationalized health and you don’t hear any of them complaining, do you? See? Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 4:56 pm # cranky-d, which Obama proposal is single payer? Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:00 pm # Did Barcky, or did he not, claim to be a proponent of single-payer? Did Barney Frank, or did he not, state that the public option is a trojan horse for single-payer? Comment by Ric Locke on 8/12 @ 5:01 pm # …which Obama proposal is single payer? All of them, although most of the later ones are buried in enough technicalities to allow plausible deniability. Your posts aren’t long enough to bury the truth in bullshit, hoot. There is life beyond the sound bite. Regards, Ric Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 5:02 pm # The whole rest of the world should be horrified at what the Barack Obama is trying to do to medicine just for so he can get his ideological rocks off. Untold numbers of dead suffering suffering dead people will be his legacy. Disease and death and a diminution of Hope. A diminution of Hope and also of Humanity. No matter what NPR reports, this will be a horror for everyone everywhere and the lesson they will learn will be that the individual is wholly dispensable cause look how they do it in the United States. Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 5:03 pm # oh happy, you are a fucking crazy Comment by B Moe on 8/12 @ 5:03 pm # B Moe, you forgot OBAMER WANNA SHOOT MY GRAND-DA! BARACKY EAT OLD LADIES! DOWN BABY PORRIDGE! Wasszat about discussion, fuckwit? Wow. I really expected it to take more than one comment to start piling up that much straw. Comment by LTC John on 8/12 @ 5:06 pm # #131 should be diseminated far and wide. A good summary of “rationing” versus “allocation” and the confusion (or deliberate switcheroo) between them. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:06 pm # STFU, wingerz! Your moral and intellectual betters are going to do the adult work. Listen to hoot, much wisdom in this one. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:08 pm # Racists Comment by hoot on 8/12 @ 5:10 pm # #131 is a confused mishmash of word meanings designed to obscure reality. Health care is currently rationed. Period. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:11 pm # Hoot p3wnd you fucking racist wingnuts Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 5:12 pm # #131 is a confused mishmash of word meanings designed to obscure reality. Ah, the old Bush is a moron, Bush is an evil genius gambit. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:13 pm # Hoot gets to make up its own definitions of words. Comment by B Moe on 8/12 @ 5:16 pm # #131 is a confused mishmash of word meanings designed to obscure reality. ROFL! Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 5:31 pm # This is the starting point for the rationing. It has already passed. The panel has already been appointed. From the Stimulus Bill, “SEC. 804…There is hereby established a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research“ Now all that is needed is to pass a Bill like the one coming from the House. This panel is where the decisions will be made as to what drugs and treatments will be allowed and who will be able to get them. They may use something like the “Complete Lives System” or some other criteria. Once government is the one paying the piper, patients are viewed as expenses that must be justified, politically justified. Anything that could possibly cause an expense to the system will be subject to being regulated by law. It is the setting up of a “Water Empire”. This time based on healthcare instead of the older ones water or the job based system in the USSR and other Communist countries. Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/12 @ 5:33 pm # I remember hoot. Anger management issues. Funny stuff. Comment by Carin on 8/12 @ 5:33 pm # I know words can be confusing, hoot. But take it slowly. We’ll help you out. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 5:36 pm # I don’t even have to see its posts to know what it’s saying. BTW, if one cannot understand #131, one might consider going back to sit at the kid’s table. And, perhaps, reading a bit more besides Kos and Atrios. Comment by SDN on 8/12 @ 5:44 pm # hoot, I don’t really want a debate with you. You aren’t interested in having one anyway. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:44 pm # hoot mungs Do not go to http://www.urbandictionary.com and look up mung. Do not. I beseech thee. For the sake of fuck, do not. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 5:45 pm # hoot is one of the dumber trolls that has come here in the past, close to the dumbest, and isn’t even particularly entertaining. Nothing has changed. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:47 pm # It is not nearly as bad as timmah, cranky. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 5:48 pm # Perhaps, JD, but it is not as entertaining as monkey-boy who at least posited The Balloon Fence™, which provided much to write about. Comment by Kresh on 8/12 @ 5:52 pm # Hoot? Glad I missed that period of dumbfuckery. Still, you have to admire his style, he doesn’t roll in here and thrust up a tiny little strawman much like his wee-willie-winkie in the morning, he brings in a whole bloody strawman army ! He tosses those suckers far and wide, hoping that one, just one, will stick. So much BS wrapped in such a pedantic little person. Truly it is impressive. Much like a trainwreck… only far less cooler. There’s only one bloody body and it’s all self-inflicted wounds. Oddly enough, nobody here gives a… hoot. rimshot Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 5:52 pm # The balloon fence and mile-high dirt berm are easily within my Top 10 All-Time Most Wonderful Blog Comments EVAH, cranky. I think happyfeet and Jeff comprise the other 9. ANSWER ME NOW BITCH and Bad Touch were stellar. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:03 pm # give a hoot don’t pollute Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 6:04 pm # When the doctor, the insurer, and the regulator are all part of the same government agency you can go for redress where, hoot? Ever hear of an ‘iron triangle’? Ever hear of ‘military-industrial’ complex? That is what this ‘plan’ – in its unread, undebated, ‘let’s vote on this now, now, NOW! Before recess form seems to be. Why so much hurry and scurry to get it passed before Congress had to go home and see consituents? Why all the whining about ‘protestors are shutting down debate’ when the objective was to pass something without debate? Why so much support, hoot, for something that is not finalized, why so much disdain for debate over this proposal? Why advise anyone to sign a contract without reading it first? You are a lock-step partisan forelock tugging yes-me-lord fool, hoot. Comment by JD on 8/12 @ 6:09 pm # Never be a dirty bird Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:09 pm # Mikey NTH – what the fuck are you talking about? There will be a public insurer along with private, and regulators which are govt. Just like now if you are on Medicare/Medicaid. Just like now. The doctors will not be part of the govt. Get it yet? Fucking fuck fuck, this is exactly why I don’t “discuss” with people like you. Your complete misunderstanding of the issue makes real discussion impossible. We end up arguing about whether doctors are part of a govt agency or who controls the “death panel” (snicker) or which babies Obama wants to kill. It doesn’t even take straw men, the idiocy makes them redundant. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 6:10 pm # buttons has his buttons back these things don’t go unnoticed hoot is mean Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:11 pm # and yes I am jesus and hoot Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 6:15 pm # jesus is mean too Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 6:18 pm # Where are the appeals, Mr. jesus? There will be a single-payer program. The payer will be the government. They will pay the doctors – even if they remain ‘independent contractors’, where do the doctors look for payment?. The body regulating it all will be the government. The body regulating all of it will be the government. Where will you go for redress if the payer turns you down for care? Single payer means ‘only option’. Ever see ‘public housing projects’, Mr. jesus? They did a real ‘bang-up’ job there, didn’t they? And if you think ’single payer health care’ is going to perform better than ‘public housing’ you need to take another think. Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:20 pm # Um, not even close, Mikey. You are a truly clueless. Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 6:21 pm # The doctors will not be part of the govt oh where are the doctors getting their money from? Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 6:21 pm # Keep changing your handle and you run the risk of having all your posts deleted. Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 6:22 pm # i see jesus has been drinking o!’s urine Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:24 pm # I wonder. Do you, Darleen, and her dad know how Medicare works? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:24 pm # hoote-nannys for grannys.. dancing with mr. d knees up.. Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 6:24 pm # Jesus hoot, I don’t give a… Two sockpuppets, no Mr. Hand even. Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:24 pm # Doctors get their money from insurance companies, just like now. Unless they get it from the public option. Just like now if you are on Medicare/Medicaid. What was the question, now? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:25 pm # btw i hope ur dads ok darleen codger Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 6:28 pm # This jesus is projecting cluelessness. Public housing projects really solved the problems of slums and slumlords, didn’t they? And single payer public healthcare will solve the problems of insurance-lords and private insurance also. And if you pull this finger it plays ‘Jingle Bells’. Trust me. Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:29 pm # two things : Obama is not asking for single payer now. And even if we got it, that does not rule out insurance companies. Get a clue. Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 6:30 pm # Just like now if you are on Medicare/Medicaid. What was the question, now? why are doctors dropping medicaid/medicare patients? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:31 pm # question is are u an asshole or ever played one on t.v.? Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 6:32 pm # The federal government did such a wonderful job with public housing that I can’t wait until they bring the same skills to public healthcare. The federal government has done such a wonderful job with Midicare, Medicaid, VA, military hospitals, Indian Healthcare – I can’t wait until they bring that to everyone. Comment by Abe Froman on 8/12 @ 6:32 pm # Doctors get their money from insurance companies, just like now. Unless they get it from the public option. Just like now if you are on Medicare/Medicaid. What was the question, now? Come on Hootie Jesus, that’s just a confused mishmash of word meanings designed to obscure reality. Do better, you feathered divinity you. Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 6:33 pm # And even if we got it, that does not rule out insurance companies. Get a clue. page 16 Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 6:33 pm # “Get a clue.” Well shut my mouth. How can you argue with that. Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 6:36 pm # Obama is not asking for single payer now Oh, that’s reassuring – what are the expiration dates on his promises again? And pinning all of your hopes on just one politician – that sounds abso-fucking-lutely brilliant! That has never, ever gone wrong before. Pull this other finger – it plays ‘Iko Iko’. Trust me. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:37 pm # get a clue kiss my boo-boo.. checks in the mail Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 6:38 pm # Darn Reich-wingers, oh wait, nevermind. Comment by cranky-d on 8/12 @ 6:41 pm # #185: You mean a Democrat pretended to be a Republican to discredit Republicans? Well shut my mouth. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:47 pm # more leeches for us free speechers.. i beseech u.. Comment by Rusty on 8/12 @ 6:48 pm # #99 no its not. Comment by Mike on 8/12 @ 6:56 pm # I spoke with my 70+ year old parents today, asked them if they were AARP members, found out they were. I told my mom about AARP love affair with Obama and how the AARP President is one of his big donors. They are no longer members, nor am I (I’m 50) I plan to talk to every senior I know about this and see how many ex-AARP members I can create. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 6:58 pm # more kindling for the children… Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:05 pm # mean signs burn fast.. mean mr. mustard Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/12 @ 7:09 pm # I don’t believe Obama will try to kill old people. I just think he’s greatly underestimated the fear and concern those people have. My mom was a young teenager when the story about what the Nazis did in WW2 came out, they remember and fear that can happen again. He makes them… nervous, shall we say. Comment by Rusty on 8/12 @ 7:10 pm # # 176.Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:29 pm # two things : Obama is not asking for single payer now. And even if we got it, that does not rule out insurance companies. Get a clue. It is not us who be clueless ,hayseus. ‘now’ is the operative word. Of course not. You’ll still be able to buy burial insurance. Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 7:14 pm # Do you know how Medicare works? Yes. If you’re on Medicare, the gubmint pays ever-decreasing amounts of money to your providers, leading them to limit the number of Medicare patients that they can afford to take. To make up for the insultingly low compensation (less than half today what it was 20 years ago), they have to charge insurance companies more. Doctors have hella overhead, hoot. They can’t wish it away. Single payer? NO! Except that the dude that designed Obamacare explicitly says that it’s explicitly designed to undercut private insurance until it dies off, the way WalMart kills off the mom-and-pops when it moves in. Obama keeps talking about how a huge amount is spent in the last few years of life. He said maybe people should forgo the surgery and be content with pain pills. He said that about the old woman who got a pacemaker. Pain pills cannot substitute for a pacemaker, but Obama’s too stupid to know that. He also said that you can detect prostate cancer with a colonoscopy. Again, too stupid to know how the human body works. Even some supporters of Obamacare say that his end-of-life provisions are pretty scary. Not sure why you’d be happy to put your trust in a man who appointed an enthusiastic Eugenicist as Science Czar. Maybe you should imagine that much power over life and death in the hands of your political enemies. Still sound good? Crap, hoot. You think that what the proponents of the bill say about the bill outweighs what the bill itself says. What a maroon. What an ignoranimus. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:16 pm # bury my heart at wounded knee… as i fluffed the pillow i said “are u sure that’s the last words u want uddered?’ then we hugged ha! Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 7:21 pm # And even if we got [single payer], that does not rule out insurance companies. Moron. “Single-payer” means that only one entity pays for health care. ONE. 1. Uno. If insurance companies still pay for health care, then it’s not single-payer. Furthermore, adding a ton more people to the Medicaid rolls will explode the deficit. The gubmint-operated health care systems (VA, Indian reservations) are as bad as the crumbling, out-of-date, filthy, germ-ridden hospitals in the U.K. But they’re OK with it because they’re freaking sheep. That’s why they’re over there and we’re over here. Look, if you think that single-payer is Teh Ideal, go live elsewhere in the Anglosphere and let the U.S. march to its own drummer. We get to have different priorities than Europe. It’s the whole reason we exist. Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 7:22 pm # jeez you guys don’t understand that the social security and medicare problems can be solved by killing old people. man get a clue. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:22 pm # aside my mom’s got great coverage but she had/has funky cancer growths on her body but medicare won’t pay 4 visiting nurse to come out once or twice a week to clean wound instead she has to be really sick to get admitted to nice hospital and cute nurse said “this is ass backwards” i just play dumb “not a strech” hope ur paws better darleen Comment by newrouter on 8/12 @ 7:26 pm # look it is easy like “dead fish” emmanual’s bro says go easy on the hippocrat thing for old folks then double down on the abortion stuff: presto prob solve. plus side: we don’t have to eat it Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:30 pm # i never said those exact words.. infer and imply makes my shorts whiter and brighter racsists Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 7:30 pm # Oh, here we go. There IS a limit to how much the U.K. will spend on a person during a year: $45,000. “The British single-payer bureaucrats arrived at the price of an additional year of life in the same way they decide how much health care all British people will get, through a formula called ‘quality-adjusted life years.’” They ALL cut you off, hoot. But in our case, you can pony up the dough your own self. In Canada, it’s illegal to pay out of pocket. Comment by SporkLift Driver on 8/12 @ 7:30 pm # If there is single payer health insurance, where do you go for redress? Redress? From your government? What the hell do you think you are, a citizen or something? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:34 pm # government redress.. i keep staring at the mailbox and not so polite to postal lose\ing billions a year guy but.. snappy shorts are a plus Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 7:35 pm # I have these delusions from time to time, Sporklift Driver. I am concerned that they won’t be covered. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 7:41 pm # citizen kane did explain.. protien uzzdum is not the same.. as ur past complain.. but they stay on an even plain.. even as ur tiptsy self tries to re-arrangage and pull up ur american socks.. for justice Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 7:49 pm # Hey. Power corrupts, and absolute power over health care costs corrupts absolutely. Unless you’re an Obama-appointed cog in the bureaucracy. Then your soul will remain lily-white forever and ever. RACIST! Comment by Darleen on 8/12 @ 7:53 pm # hoot has been also been an idiot under the name “jesus” IP 24.143.69.203 From hippiedippie Seattle WA, area code 206 and from the looks of the tiny pic that is now appearing next to his name in Manage Comments section … we have a young (late teen to early 20’s) pasty white, slicked down dirty blonde hair, metrosexual type given to dark pink shirts with brown vest. What a hoot! Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 7:58 pm # This will probably be banned under ObamaCare as it promotes unhealthy life activities: My pappy said, “Son, you’re gonna’ drive me to drinkin’ If you don’t stop drivin’ that Hot Rod Lincoln” Have you heard this story of the Hot Rod Race When Fords and Lincolns was settin’ the pace? That story is true, I’m here to say I was drivin’ that Model A It’s got a Lincoln motor and it’s really souped up That Model A Vitimix makes it look like a pup It’s got eight cylinders, uses them all It’s got overdrive, just won’t stall With a four-barrel carb and a dual exhaust And four-eleven gears you can really get lost It’s got safety tubes, but I ain’t scared The brakes are good, tires fair Pulled out of San Pedro late one night The moon and the stars was shinin’ bright We was drivin’ up Grapevine Hill Passing cars like they was standing still All of a sudden in a wink of an eye A Cadillac sedan passed us by I said, “Boys, that’s a mark for me!” By then the tail light was all you could see Now the fellas was ribbin’ me for bein’ behind So I thought I’d make the Lincoln unwind Took my foot off the gas and man alive I shoved it on down into overdrive Wound it up to a hundred and ten My speedometer said that I hit top end My foot was glued like lead to the floor That’s all there is and there ain’t no more Now, the boys all thought I’d lost my sense And telephone poles looked like a picket fence They said, “Slow down! I see spots!” The lines on the road just look like dots Took a corner; sideswiped a truck Crossed my fingers just for luck My fenders was clickin’ the guardrail posts The guy beside me was white as a ghost Smoke was comin’ from out of the back When I started to gain on that Cadillac. Knew I could catch him, I thought I could pass Don’t you know by then we’d be low on gas? We had flames comin’ from out of the side Feel the tension, Man! What a ride! I said, “Look out, boys, I’ve got a license to fly!” And that Caddy pulled over and let us by Now all of a sudden she started to knockin’ And down in the dips she started to rockin’ I looked in my mirror; a red light was blinkin’ The cops was after my Hot Rod Lincoln! They arrested me and they put me in jail And called my pappy to throw my bail And he said, “Son, you’re gonna’ drive me to drinkin’ If you don’t stop drivin’ that Hot … Rod … Lincoln!” And banning that song would be…dare I say it…I dare… UnAmerican!!! Comment by Darleen on 8/12 @ 7:59 pm # Comment by jesus on 8/12 @ 6:24 pm More than you do, it seems. If you read the post you know my parents have paid for, out of their own pockets, private supplimental insurance so that they can have the doctor of their choice. Dad is now on the cardiac floor of one of the top ten cardiac care/surgical hospitals in the United States and is scheduled for a triple bypass on Friday. you should be so lucky in 50 or so years if ObamaCare is instituted. What will you do, hoot/jesus, when all today’s best doctors have retired and few take their place because who wants to be a postal worker with a scalpel? Or better question, who wants to be operated on by a postal worker with a scalpel? Comment by Darleen on 8/12 @ 8:01 pm # Doctors get their money from insurance companies Lasik? Plastic Surgery? Grand advances, price drops and yet fully funded by out-of-pocket cash. HOW can that be, hoot?!! Comment by SDN on 8/12 @ 8:04 pm # Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen. Comment by SDN on 8/12 @ 8:07 pm # Yes, it’s completely baffling how a child whose parent is a politically active Democrat could possibly have wound up at this meeting, and who would also be interested in asking a question of the President. Yeah, Slart, I understand that point, but the next liberal a*hole who wants to complain that Sarah Palin is exploiting her kid is going to get that picture nailed to its’ “forehead”. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 8:23 pm # name ‘nother commander cody song…? well done.. afghan goaty drove hills so sloppy his said to his slash as he got gropey.. acid face baths are a terrible wake up call just a kind reminder… skirt? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 8:30 pm # ring ring goes the bell.. lil cute female kids do tell.. do not leave mr muscular nice american soldier.. god bless that mess.. thank u Comment by guinsPen on 8/12 @ 8:59 pm # ur lost in the ozone again Comment by guinsPen on 8/12 @ 9:03 pm # ditto Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 9:06 pm # a log in ur eye.. makes me want count chocula.. ha people in glass houses shouldn’t stumble on glass slippers.. or be pushed.. or nudged.. or encouaraged Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 9:09 pm # frankly frankenkenberry makes me run.. fast.. at the nearest non- orange exit.. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 9:10 pm # pink and brown is still very in I don’t know why I guess someone with Influence had some really tasty neapolitan one day Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 9:16 pm # ozones clones make me wear hard helmets.. and jerk around.. in a shiftless way.. but i will beat u in a staring match.. {that’s all i have left..please blink.. or puke in the appropriate non- re-fundelble receptacle!? i am winkining/blinking/ thinking and oh god slinking to u.. boo! Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 9:16 pm # that’s ok we can listen to a song even if we don’t understand it this one least has a monkey in it Comment by daveinboca on 8/12 @ 9:45 pm # Camille Paglia has the best written slamdown of the ridiculous implosion ObamaCare has engendered: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/ Her best lines, however, are reserved for the syncophantic suck-ups on the MSM/blogosphere agitprop front: “The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.” Comment by daveinboca on 8/12 @ 9:50 pm # MikeyNTH & Pals: I was a roadie for Commander Cody and actually was at the old Family Dog in SF on 800 mics when CC backed up The Grateful Dead way back in the ozone days of yore. Great memories…. I was so far out that I hadn’t even reckoned on the lead band and asked some dude as I was ascending to the GD, Who are these guys? The dude replied: “You gotta be shittin’ me man, these are the Dead!” Purple Owsley or windowpane, that was a place I want to be… Comment by geoffb on 8/12 @ 10:00 pm # My favorite Monkey song. Comment by SporkLift Driver on 8/12 @ 10:01 pm # Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/12 @ 7:35 pm # I have these delusions from time to time, Sporklift Driver. I am concerned that they won’t be covered. Yeah I know how you feel. It seems I’ve watched this country go from being the one we studied in 3rd grade history to the one we studied in 6th grade social studies. The fall from citizen to subject depresses me. What’s worse is that most seem content with it. They just don’t seem to realize how helpless a subject is, or how bad things can get if the master class consists of anything but saints. Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/12 @ 10:13 pm # Actually Johnny Bond recorded Hot Rod Lincoln* first in 1960, it was a big hit then, but Commander Cody’s version was better. Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/12 @ 10:14 pm # Oh and its an indication of how leftist Paglia is that she somehow thinks President Obama wasn’t directly behind the website and the informing on your neighbors idea to begin with. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:17 pm # i darved wavy gravy to join the navy.. if my phone don’t ring.. u owe my one baby Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:19 pm # dared.. my lil baby will be spelling camp champ.. press cinco for cinco de mayo bail pesos.. make me proud lil turd! Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:21 pm # u want my cali insight into prison happy baby..? just shake ur head no! Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:24 pm # tommy herr made bad tattoos.. infected.. bobby orr made body monuments.. thats still last til the day after tomorrow.. wake up pup!.. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:27 pm # monkey be fine.. it is. not there thumb hands but their oppassable thumb toes.. i mean u’d think they’d be no 1 monkey x mas present wrappers.. but sadly.. no Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:32 pm # i want a pony a crippled pony ok.. from devastating hurricanes.. ok from swamps.. maybe if they don’t odor ok three legs 2 legs. one happy foot limb.. i like to help funny distressed out of work animals.. do not we all? Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:34 pm # prison! Tell me. What’s the deal with prison? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:42 pm # i.m innocent i tells ya Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:43 pm # got any cigarettes?.. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 10:48 pm # mistaken identity.. free mumbia buttons.. bush.. uhh umm that other dude pezdent.. truth.. u can’t light a candle for the truth.. no dumpster no truth.. relase my garbage.. nazi oven fucks.. let’s march in an oval.. Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:49 pm # I quit smoking. Almost 5 months ago. Mitchell Davis has a new gun thinger and a girl is involved and she also has a new gun thinger. brb and I will find a link for you Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:51 pm # she has a nice smile Comment by happyfeet on 8/12 @ 10:52 pm # I think I found Waldo Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 11:21 pm # congratulations less nicotine toes,, so tuff// but u got that grin that wins.. back off topic.. waald dildlo alway hung out at window sills.. and dive bars.. mmm.. who are we to judecate on fate? congrats drew fat smokeless carey luv u alchoholic stable wise.. keep ur eyes on the fries Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 11:29 pm # back of waldos head in certain gutters.. makes me tofu meat flavoreed bun thing a third maybe off.. just gota corraberate.. hey i’m a law guy.. well.. i’ve worn a suit in front of a judge ..guy’;’ u wanna argue..? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 11:32 pm # racist sticks and liberal loans make me wanna.. pout.. or swallow.. bye bye birdie u gotta be sincere Comment by dicentra on 8/12 @ 11:36 pm # What’s worse is that most seem content with it. They just don’t seem to realize how helpless a subject is You say helpless, they say Liberated From Icky Responsibility. Some people would rather live in a cage at the zoo: free food, free health care, safety from predators. Every day is the same, no decisions to make, no danger to face, no uncertainty. The rest of us are willing to risk falling on hard times if it means we can soar the rest of the time. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/12 @ 11:50 pm # medication time shuffle makes i re i natty dread.. feel ‘.. mm what is that word.. Comment by dicentra on 8/13 @ 12:07 am # This is why #iloveNHS: 1. U.K.’s heart-attack fatality rate is almost 20% higher than America’s 2. Angioplasties in Britain are only 21.3% as common as they are here 3. NICE ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer 4. Breast cancer in America has a 25% mortality rate; in Britain it’s almost double at 46% 5. Prostate cancer kills 19% of American and 57% of Brits 6. in 2006, a U.K-based board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took three years to get that outrageous decree reversed. 7. NICE will cut annual steroid injections for severe back pain from 60,000 to 3,000. Result? “It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky and has a 50% failure rate.” 8. Nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment 9. U.S. = 34 CT scanners per million; Britain = 8 10. U.S. = 27 MRI machines per million; Britain = 6 11. Brits wait twice as long to see a specialist than Americans 12. In U.S., recommended age for colon-cancer screening for men begins at 50. NHS starts at age 75. 13. Avastin, a drug for advanced colon cancer, is prescribed more often in the U.S. than in the U.K., by some estimates as much as 10 times more. 14. In U.K., 20% of potentially curable lung-cancer patients became incurable on the waiting list. I’m reminded of the time when a Colombian girl asked, skeptically, if we Americans were really that much more wealthy than they. Somewhat embarrassed, I had to admit that we were way, WAY ahead of them, even though she was living in a fairly nice house by Colombian standards. Most Brits are so accustomed to their crummy health care that they don’t know how awful it is. Just ask Mark Steyn, who has been at the mercy of three Anglosphere health-care systems: We’re WAY better. They just don’t know the diff. Comment by geoffb on 8/13 @ 2:15 am # The “Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research” is to be our National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE). Comparative Effectiveness in Health Care Reform: Lessons from Abroad Free is usually much more expensive than something you pay cash to get, the price just isn’t stated up front. Single payer systems however are not only expensive in the cash way but very pricey in other respects that are only seen later, too late later. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/13 @ 2:51 am # federal ewe cute abuse.. is a hoot.. wipe my grin Comment by Carin on 8/13 @ 6:02 am # Someone called Sean Hannity yesterday and claimed that his aunt, who is French, fell into a coma. The French give them one week, then they pull the plug. I tried to verify, but my google-foo was weak. Anyone know? Pingback by ‘The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money’ [Darleen Click] on 8/13 @ 8:06 am # [...] Dicentra comes this valuable comparison between current American healthcare and Britain’s NHS 1. [...] Comment by McGehee on 8/13 @ 8:43 am # Carin, I’d like to think the caller was omitting potentially useful information about the coma — but who knows? Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 9:31 am # but the next liberal a*hole who wants to complain that Sarah Palin is exploiting her kid is going to get that picture nailed to its’ “forehead” Oh, sure. My only point is that we shouldn’t try and out-stupid the other guys. Comment by Carin on 8/13 @ 9:55 am # I wish I knew McGehee. I searched for info, but found nothing. Comment by Carin on 8/13 @ 10:01 am # but the next liberal a*hole who wants to complain that Sarah Palin is exploiting her kid is going to get that picture nailed to its’ “forehead” Oh, sure. My only point is that we shouldn’t try and out-stupid the other guys. The choices aren’t pretty, though, Slart. If we “play along” as Krauthhammer apparently advocated the other day, we are treated to “Vigorous Debates” at Townhalls similar to Tuesday’s. I was as shocked as Obama (!) that there wasn’t anyone who had a “skeptical” question to ask him. There is simply no winning in this game. You can have an entire crowd of well mannered conservatives/libertarians/what have you who are acting well w/in the bounds of non-assholish decorum, but the media is going to get a picture of the ONE dude with Obama hanging from a noose. The Obama media is skewing the game. Comment by Carin on 8/13 @ 10:02 am # The child-plant, and pointing it out, isn’t “out-stupiding” anyone. Obama made the claim that there weren’t “plants” there. There obviously was. Very obviously, to anyone interested. Vigorous debate. My ass. Comment by jesus on 8/13 @ 10:09 am # Darleen, you are an idiot. I told you I was hoot in #163, it ain’t a big secret, agent 006. Also, you are a fascist. Care to run down my license and call my employer to say I’m being a big meanie on the internets? Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 10:18 am # The child-plant, and pointing it out, isn’t “out-stupiding” anyone. Obama made the claim that there weren’t “plants” there. There obviously was. No, there obviously wasn’t. Is there something else to your “obviously” that I haven’t already seen? So far, all I’ve seen could only justifiably point to “target of opportunity”. Comment by Carin on 8/13 @ 10:33 am # Well, if bussing in supporters doesn’t appear to be proof that he planted a friendly audience, Slart… Huffington Post even bragged that it was such. He tilled the ground. Plant the seeds. And not ONE skeptical question? He advertised that it was going to be a “vigorous debate” and it was no such thing. It was a stump speech. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 10:53 am # Well, if bussing in supporters doesn’t appear to be proof that he planted a friendly audience Who bussed in supporters? “Arrived by bus” and “He bussed them in” aren’t interchangeable, as a rule. Comment by Danger on 8/13 @ 11:01 am # “Who bussed in supporters? “Arrived by bus” and “He bussed them in” aren’t interchangeable, as a rule.” “And not ONE skeptical question? He advertised that it was going to be a “vigorous debate” and it was no such thing.” Slart, Are you cherry picking the evidence to give Obama the benefit of the doubt? And if so what has he done to deserve it? Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/13 @ 11:08 am # Slart – it would depend on the bus. Most likely it was a charter, I can’t see all or even most of the people in a townhall event arriving on a city bus. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 11:16 am # Are you cherry picking the evidence to give Obama the benefit of the doubt? No. If there’s evidence that Obama bussed them in, I haven’t seen it. I could see that a bunch of supporters might get together and charter themselves a bus, and I could also see that some larger entity might have arranged a bus. I could even see Obama doing it, but I (and I repeat myself here, I know) haven’t seen anything that points to any of these alternatives, specifically. Comment by Danger on 8/13 @ 11:24 am # Slart, I was referring to the lack of skeptical questions Carin referred to. Do you think that was coincidental (even considering the results of the other townhalls)? Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 11:36 am # I was referring to the lack of skeptical questions Carin referred to. Do you think that was coincidental (even considering the results of the other townhalls)? I wasn’t speaking to that, but: yes, it would be interesting to see the criteria by which people are admitted to these “town hall” meetings. I can’t imagine they’re open to just anyone, which kind of defeats the notion of the town hall. Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 11:38 am # …I mean, if we redefine “town hall” to mean something like “a forum in which my supporters can continue to express their support for my policies”, the whole thing changes, doesn’t it? So, it’d be interesting to find out. Comment by sdferr on 8/13 @ 11:46 am # OT Slart, but on the question of redefinition of common terms, I’ve been wondering when the term “to bean” or “beaning” in baseball turned from a reference to throwing at a batter’s head to throwing at a batter’s leg or rear-end or ankle? I’ve heard it used that way a handful of times this summer and when shown the video of a guy getting hit in the thigh felt the shock of “huh? that wasn’t at the guy’s head? wtf?” Comment by Slartibartfast on 8/13 @ 11:57 am # I don’t know much about baseball, sdferr, which probably makes me a pinko. But: yes, people are fucking with word-meanings in a way that I don’t like, but it’s probably not a new thing. Comment by sdferr on 8/13 @ 12:10 pm # Pinko Slart? I thought one had to be an avid promoter of Zeuropean Football like the guy at Powerline to rate that color-coding? (oh, and Tim Howard was a putz out of position on that first goal yesterday though credit to the scorer, it was a damned fine strike, imo). Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 8/13 @ 3:50 pm # hey feets…bin neglecting our infinite playlist…. you will always be my sweetheart as long we are inside our skins <3 Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 8/13 @ 3:54 pm # Lol, I sure dig the New Republican Base Demographic…….. what is it? People you could meet at a Klan rally? hahaha i don’t think old angry white peeps are going to grow the base by having pyschotic screamo breaks on live tv. but you know best. ;) Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/13 @ 4:19 pm # Technically a bean ball is a pitch at the batter’s head but it has a broader meaning used more loosely by some folks. Baseball guys call it HBP or a brushback. Comment by JD on 8/13 @ 4:22 pm # An asylum is missing its idiot, again. Comment by JD on 8/13 @ 4:25 pm # Beanball is obviously a racist codeword for Mexicans, since you KKKlan members are despairing that the wise Litnas are taking over the Supreme Court and World Series. Comment by Rusty on 8/13 @ 4:31 pm # #269 #270 You’ve got the binoculars the wrong way around. Comment by pdbuttons on 8/13 @ 4:31 pm # high and tight.. crowd my plate.. Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 8/13 @ 4:50 pm # awww……….botched it……inside our skin Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 8/13 @ 4:51 pm # inside our skin Comment by Abe Froman on 8/13 @ 4:57 pm # Fitting song title given how you make peoples’ skin crawl, nishit. Comment by B Moe on 8/13 @ 5:08 pm # …I mean, if we redefine “town hall” to mean something like “a forum in which my supporters can continue to express their support for my policies”, the whole thing changes, doesn’t it? So, it’d be interesting to find out. I don’t know for sure about the little girl, but this party seems to be capable of pretty much anything right now. The truth ain’t in them. Comment by Danger on 8/13 @ 5:26 pm # Hey BMoe, Did you notice the link to RWS? Man when the Lone Star State Angel calls you shameless you know you beter start repenting. Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/13 @ 5:26 pm # Kate mengele is hoping for the Death Panels – maybe she can get a job culling the herd. Comment by Kresh on 8/13 @ 5:37 pm # Lol, I sure dig the New Republican Base Demographic…….. what is it? People you could meet at a Klan rally? Wait, Byrd was there? You think he counts as a Republican? Shows what you know. Comment by JD on 8/13 @ 6:04 pm # Mengele Nishit does not think that death panels go far enough. Eugenics rulez !!!!! Comment by alppuccino on 8/13 @ 7:12 pm # I like it when Obama talks about “those people that disagree” in a town hall. He talks about “those people that disagree” like they’re in Germany or their somewhere speaking Austrian in one of the 7 non-contiguous states. You see, if this Obama idiot were really a genius, he’d know to talk about “some of you people who disagree” in order to make it look like he hadn’t prevented any of them from entering the “town hall”. He’s a moron. Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 8/13 @ 7:20 pm # He’s a moron. What yourself, pal, if you want me to let you keep your insurance. Comment by alppuccino on 8/13 @ 7:23 pm # What yourself, pal, if you want me to let you keep your insurance. You’ll have to cat me first beeyot! Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 8/13 @ 7:35 pm # Who? Comment by sdferr on 8/13 @ 7:39 pm # Just took a big ug of beer al and nearly spattered it all over my keyboard after reading your eeky reply to Milhouse there. Comment by Pablo on 8/13 @ 7:45 pm # Hey nishi, do they have any good songs or is it just the “Gin Blossoms’ untalented children” angle they’re working? Comment by pdbuttons on 8/13 @ 7:52 pm # un talented hands reach out/ for children.. or walletts.. or bucks.. yen yen release from this..play-pen Comment by Christopher Taylor on 8/13 @ 9:15 pm # It is pretty comical watching the people who threw a frothing, screaming, hate-filled tantrum for almost eight straight years lecturing people on civility and how being mean and loud convinces no one. Pingback by Exposed: The little “mean signs girl” Julia Hall from New Hampshire Townhall not so random afterall \| Fire Andrea Mitchell! on 8/14 @ 5:26 pm # [...] ‘Obama, pfffft what a putz’ [Darleen Click] [...] Trackback by my government grants on 8/23 @ 11:11 pm # my government grants… Your topic ArchivesNext ” Blog Archive ” NARA latest digitization agreement: One … was interesting when I found it on Monday searching for my government grants… Comment by thinker on 9/8 @ 5:42 pm # blah blah blah.. “9. U.S. = 34 CT scanners per million; Britain = 8 10. U.S. = 27 MRI machines per million; Britain = 6″ UK GDP = 2.3 trillion US GDP = 13.8 trillion Expenditure per capita seems about equal. So, since there is nothing to fix in the US health care system, why all the hubbub, bub? RSS feed for comments on this post. 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