July 12, 2009
Direct from god Gaia: The Divine Right of Kings [Darleen Click] UPDATED

When I last posed the question of what the fundamentialist religion of Environmentalism is really about I closed with

[I]s this just the use of power to play out their dearest Medieval Times fantasy where they figure they are the lords and ladies and the rest of us are serfs?

Here comes Prince Charles to answer my question.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James’s Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world.

And in a searing indictment on capitalist society, Charles said we can no longer afford consumerism and that the “age of convenience” was over.

Think about that for a moment. Here is a “man” who has been a hothouse orchid his whole life … never made a bed, never cooked a meal, never held a job or met a payroll, never worried about bills or had to make choices about stretching the household budget so the kid can get into soccer camp and scouts. Yet Prince Charles, pining for the days of old as he travels between his palaces, is telling Mr. and Mrs. Middle-class “Your life stinks of convenience and We Are Not Amused”.

An aside here: there is already a great deal less Euro and Brit capitalism and as a consequence their “middle-class” lives a great deal poorer than the American middle-class.

Mark Steyn observes

When it was just medieval dukes swanking about like that, the planet worked fine: That was “sustainable” consumerism. But now the masses want in. And, once you do that, there goes the global neighborhood.

I always enjoy it when the masks slip and the warm-mongers explicitly demand we adopt a massive Poverty Expansion Program to save the planet. “I don’t think a lot of electricity is a good thing,” said Gar Smith of San Francisco’s Earth Island Institute a few years back. “I have seen villages in Africa that had vibrant culture and great communities that were disrupted and destroyed by the introduction of electricity,” he continued, regretting that African peasants “who used to spend their days and evenings in the streets playing music on their own instruments and sewing clothing for their neighbors on foot-pedal powered sewing machines” are now slumped in front of Desperate Housewives reruns all day long.

“Materialism” used to be the province of religion and/or personal character not government — it used to be called “gluttony” and it was the job of parents, teachers, ministers, etc, to raise children with principles of rational self-interest, personal responsibility, frugality, charity and humility.

It is no accident that the people living in the country with the most Liberty and capitalism are also the most charitable.

Fundamental Environmentalism provides a vehicle for a new Divine Right of Kings: the hoi poloi are a plague upon Mother Gaia and must be restricted by a Green Aristocracy. And it must be Global

“I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.

“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate and attended a G8 summit this week where he agreed to attempt to keep the Earth’s temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees C.

Gore touted the Congressional climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.

“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.”

My mom still has my grandmother’s New Home Sewing Machine; a foot-pedal driven machine I first learned to sew on. If Charles/Gore/Obama/Holdren have their way, it is going to become a valuable way for my grandchildren to make a living for their families.

Of course, if they are allowed to have families.
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UPDATE: The fragility of Civilization

Plain ordinary people plied their trades, lived in apartment houses, went to the baths, and the games and ate fast food, read books, and splurged on some attractive luxury imported at great expense from across the empire, generation after generation. The water was hot, the pleasures of life varied, the laws were fairly consistently enforced, banditry, piracy and insecurity kept to a minimum; not perfectly, of course, but life for the main run of people all over the Empire was certainly closer to what we would call good, and much, much better than what it would be in the centuries after the empire crumbled in the West, and around the Mediterranean – what had been called the Roman lake.

After the great Fall, the horizons contracted, drew in, cities in the west shriveled and the great Roman works and roads crumbled through lack of maintenance. Constantinople survived and carried on with many mutated Roman traditions until it fell to a new tribe of conquerors, but in the West, the children of empire lived among crumbling remnants, and forgot the trades and skills of their ancestors, skills that were no longer applicable or useful in the brute struggle for simple survival. Gone the baths, gone the centrally-heated villas, gone the trade, the artistry and the law, and the knowledge of how these great works were even constructed, save in a few tiny enclaves, and among a pitiful few. [...]

The parallel between Rome and America has often been drawn often and by friends and critics alike, by those wishing to pay a compliment, or of late, otherwise. Rome fell, and the Pax Romana ended— so should America and the Pax Americana; an evil empire which has brought nothing but evil and destruction. Or so goes the current reasoning in certain circles. [...]

They and others perhaps have become so accustomed to the way things are that they have no appreciation for it. They display not the slightest inkling of how fragile civilization as we know it can really be – or how ugly and basic human existence can be where there are no laws, no security anywhere to be found. Most illogically, they call for the end of the Pax, and the destruction of the Republic as if it would have no immediate personal effect upon them— as if they would go on living in secure comfort and luxury regardless. Come what may, there would always be well-paid lecture appearances and trips to Cannes and London, and a private jet to fly them there, and a well-appointed villa to come home to, afterwards. They are able to cheerfully call for chaos and embrace revolution, and sleep that night on fine cotton sheets, in perfect central-heated comfort, no matter what.

And they will be the first ones, with blood pooled around their ankles and the mob set to take their revenge to squeal, “I didn’t mean this! It’s not my fault!”

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  1. Comment by Old Dad on 7/12 @ 10:37 am #

    It’s really no wonder that most Americans pay so little attention to these idiots. After all, where in the Consitution is it proscribed that we must take to heart the incoherent ramblings of a Theology School drop out?

    But we gave them the reins and they’re going to try to make us pay. The good news is that once most Americans wake up tp the scam, we’ll throw their silly asses out. Unfortunately, they’ll do quite a bit of damage in the meantime. It’s like when Mom and Dad entrust Junior with the car keys and he trashes the family car. There will be hell to pay, but the car is still trashed.

  2. Comment by Al Gore on 7/12 @ 10:41 am #

    Hey, I didn’t get rich by cutting back on my carbon output. I got rich by quadrupling it, you idiot rubes, er, I mean friends of Gaia……

  3. Comment by ruminate on that on 7/12 @ 10:51 am #

    It is no accident that the people living in the country with the most Liberty and capitalism are also the most charitable.

    Cuba provides medical assistance to the sick all over the world and Hugo Chavez heats the homes of poor Americans in the winter.

    It’s as if they’re mocking you, Duh-dar.

  4. Comment by Carin on 7/12 @ 11:04 am #

    I believe the phrase for Mr. Thor is “Useful Idiot.”

  5. Comment by JD on 7/12 @ 11:05 am #

    Go fuck yourself with a swordfish, thor.

  6. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 11:12 am #

    I finally have reached my limit with him. The dude has gotten just downright creepy lately.

  7. Comment by 11B40 on 7/12 @ 11:22 am #

    Greetings;

    You know, of course, that this article is probably going to earn you a place on US Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg’s list of populations of which we don’t need more.

  8. Comment by Abe Froman on 7/12 @ 11:27 am #

    I finally have reached my limit with him. The dude has gotten just downright creepy lately.

    Perhaps its syphilitic dementia from tapping the bargain bin at Pedro’s Bunny Ranch and Life Raft Emporium in Havana.

  9. Comment by Have Blue on 7/12 @ 11:37 am #

    Ruminate – That free medical care spread to other countries by Castro is provided by slaves whose families are held hostage back in Cuba in order to insure the Doctors return to “The Island Paradise”. And when Castro needed emergency care didhe go to a hospital in Cuba or did he bug out to Spain?

  10. Comment by Darleen on 7/12 @ 11:43 am #

    Walthor seems to have missed the word “people” in my statement. Castro and Hugo stealing from their people to bribe other totalitarians is not “charity”.

    The more individuals are free to pursue their own success, the more they are willing to help out others.

    Case in point

    Utah, a state that has always been a leader in the percentage of residents who volunteer, appears to have inadvertently found a way to boost volunteerism: a four-day workweek.

    Since August, about 17,000 of the state’s 24,000 executive-branch employees have been working 10-hour days, Monday through Thursday. Closing state offices on Fridays is supposed to cut energy costs and reduce carbon emissions. …

    The extra day off is giving some workers their first opportunity to volunteer while holding a full-time job. Others are dedicating more time to helping others.

    Authoritarian Nannystatists are no match to Liberty and people of good character.

  11. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 11:48 am #

    thor is a one trick pony, whose one trick is being a pony. Anything outside being a pony, he is going to miss.

  12. Comment by Darleen on 7/12 @ 12:08 pm #

    All giving is good

    No.

  13. Comment by Wm T Sherman on 7/12 @ 12:09 pm #

    Popular product amongst Cubans in Miami area:

    http://www.justnews.com/2007/0131/10892060_400X300.jpg

  14. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 12:13 pm #

    Cuba is the world’s first open air Gulag, you retarded, lying marmoset.

    Why don’t you move there and you can lick Fidel’s nutsack fulltime.

  15. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 12:15 pm #

    “Americans do give much, but good people around the world give charitably, probably even moreso than the profit driven American masses.”

    Yet another lie for the demented marmoset.

  16. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 12:16 pm #

    “Lot’s of good Cubans, real givers they are,…”

    Their “giving” is forced at the point of a gun, moron.

  17. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 12:25 pm #

    Ah, Prince Charles, teh guy that really wants to get at that Hag he’s shacked up with’;s dirty, bloody…(Channelling my inter Chris Elliott and blubbering that manic, gutteral semi laugh he had when he was banging somebody’s super hot sister or friend on the late lamented Chris Elliott Show…I loved Cabin Boy too.)…well you know.

  18. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 12:27 pm #

    You just know that Charle’s grotesque hag spends a lot of time ramming something up his ass.

  19. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 12:27 pm #

    By the way, I met the queen once on my ship in San Diego. She was most gracious.

  20. Comment by Rusty on 7/12 @ 12:45 pm #

    As we all know anyhring worth having comes from China, anyway.

  21. Comment by Rusty on 7/12 @ 12:47 pm #

    #23
    No one cares.

  22. Comment by George Orwell on 7/12 @ 12:55 pm #

    Doesn’t matter if the excuse is warm-mongering Gaia sodomites. The impulse is totalitarian, and they will settle for nothing less. Most people find it hard to believe that an entire class of pseudo-intellectuals and “public servants” want to literally control everything you eat, drink, breathe, wear, buy, sell, make, say, think, where you sleep or live or travel or visit. Once you accept the phantom dogma that everything you do may have an effect on someone else, and likely does, then you’ve made yourself a slave. As if we are ants in a colony. As if on account of the fact that we all affect others, we are perforce their slaves.

    They don’t specifically want everyone to be as impoverished as a random, bug-infested, dirt-floor African village. They would be happy if we lived in identical cubicles with identical lives, like “THX 1138,” with plenty of sanitation, pills, intravenously delivered propaganda, and a mechanical God. The shape of the ultimate dystopia is unimportant to the Left. The final dream is to have everyone accounted for, tracked, managed, controlled, down to every single watt running through your junction box or every calorie of preapproved, therapeutic food consumed. It is precisely Sowell’s “unconstrained vision,” ironically named, which seeks to constrain man and stamp out the idea of freedom until the word has no meaning. A word that would likely be expunged from the latest edition of Newspeak.

  23. Comment by Spiny Norman on 7/12 @ 1:00 pm #

    I see thor is more of a self-parody than usual today. Interesting.

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  25. Comment by Darleen on 7/12 @ 1:06 pm #

    poor Walthor

    His example proves my point and the Fanjul family (yeah, sure Walthor knows them) would be the first to say it was American Liberty and Capitalism that allows them to be charitable.

  26. Comment by serr8d on 7/12 @ 1:10 pm #

    On December 13, 2008, Al Gore said definitively that the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely gone in 5 years. His sorry, misanthropic, secretly-embracing-John Holdren-ass is on the clock.

    Last year, the Polar Ice increased in size, over the year before. Tick, tock, Big Al.

  27. Comment by Silver Whistle on 7/12 @ 1:27 pm #

    That was a “searing indictment of capitalism” by The Prince of Wales? It read more like, to borrow Dennis Healey’s description of Geoffrey Howe, being savaged by a dead sheep. And if The Independent is to be believed (and I wouldn’t normally), the 96 months we have left is derived from HRH’s own calculations. I wonder if he showed his work.

  28. Comment by Darleen on 7/12 @ 1:29 pm #

    that the elder Fanjuls were born and raised and grew rich in Cuba.

    BEFORE CASTRO, they fled to Capitalist America and rebuilt their wealth.

    Good lord, Walthor, dependence on others for your existence has fully warped your sense of reality.

  29. Comment by DarthRove on 7/12 @ 1:33 pm #

    I hate commies that want to turn the State into Mommy and America into her basement.

  30. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 1:35 pm #

    “I assure you the Fanjuls, pillars of American industry, would be insulted by your white-trash attitude directed toward Cuba”

    Fuck you thor, you retarded marmoset.

    My contempt is reserved for the left fascists thugs who rule poor Cuba with an iron rod, who have created an open air Gulag.

    And for the pitiful fellow travelers who encourage them.

    Like you.

  31. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 1:36 pm #

    “Comment by Spiny Norman on 7/12 @ 1:00 pm #

    I see thor is more of a self-parody than usual today. Interesting.”

    He got spanked yesterday, exposing himself for the lying, deluded retarded marmoset he is.

  32. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 1:38 pm #

    “Poor Duh-dar, can’t figure out that the elder Fanjuls were born and raised and grew rich in Cuba.”

    How many people are currently “getting rich” in today’s Cuba, you deluded little fascist wannabe?

  33. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 1:39 pm #

    “Comment by dirty rotten thor on 7/12 @ 1:34 pm #

    Good Jesus-blowers, they’re Cubans, proud Cubans, no less Cuban whether they’re resting their heads on the private island in the Bahamas or in Cuba or in West Palm Beach.”

    Yep, totally insane.

  34. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 1:39 pm #

    Methinks Bonnie Prince Charles has finally gone completely daft; he’s bloody barmy I tells ya!

    But Al Gore, well , you know, he’s carazy like a fox. It’s no secret that he stands to profit even more than he already has off of this global connivance that is AGW…

    And it fascinates me that both of these guys, our betters you know, are engaging on the same old, “It’s good for me, but not for thee” self-serving hypocrisy; Al with his enormous mansion, that sucks more KW since it’s been retrofitted for solar power, and Charles with all his castles, limos, and what not…

    In fact, observing them side by side is no better illustration of how the old aristocracy, and the American wannabe aristocracy, condescend all of us plebians…

    Oh, thank gaia! we have such a benevolent group of our betters looking out for all of us materialistic and short sighted hoi-polloi. I always knew that actual progress was bad for us, but the social engineering, social justice, and global governance that the progressive left wants to foist upon us? well nothing could be better for mankind! Just think about how utopian our collective existance will be when we have folks like John Holden deciding how many babies get to be born each year, Al Gore deciding how much electricity we’re all allowed to have,; what a wonderful life indeed..!

    Yes, one world government, with our betters in charge! What bliss, what joy!…

    What a crock!

    I don’t want these guys running anything, the whole lot are nutters!

    Ask yourself why is it that only folks in eastern Europe can see through this charade and correctly identify it as the totalitarian control scheme that it fundamentally is? Probably because they are not so far removed from that kind of tyranny to not be able to realize where our “betters” really are trying to go with all this…

  35. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 1:41 pm #

    “the social engineering, social justice, and global governance that the progressive left wants to foist upon us? well nothing could be better for mankind!”

    Yeah, they wanna turn the enrire world into a shithole like Cuba.

    Or Russia.

  36. Comment by serr8d on 7/12 @ 1:42 pm #

    Option 3, Mr. Whittle, is, as hf would say, troubling.

    Where is ‘feets today? We misses his takes on things, yes we do.

  37. Comment by Darleen on 7/12 @ 1:44 pm #

    Walthor, why are you playing the race card again? The ethnicity of the Fanjuls has nothing to do with their success. Nor does ethnicity have to do with character or talent.

    Castro is evil. That doesn’t mean any random Cuban is evil.

    And it is amusing the way you try and use the race card… “white” trash? Uh, Cubans are “white”, ya know?

    Liberty to pursue success made the Fanjul’s fortune, both in pre-Communist Cuba, then again in America.

    Liberty and people of good character are an unbeatable match. Destroy one or the other and it all falls away.

    Distract all you want, poor little dependent Walthor, adults know better.

  38. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 2:00 pm #

    “Authoritarian Nannystatists are no match to Liberty and people of good character.”

    Darleen,

    Your lips to God’s ears, sing it sister!

  39. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 2:08 pm #

    Evening all, and nice work on operation Ricci
    Intelligence has confirmed heavy BDA on the enemy forces at Meya, Romeo Delta and pt Cynn

    Keep firing!

  40. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:08 pm #

    serr8d,

    I haven’t seen hf here in a few days, nor at Dan’s new site or Patterico’s. He must be on travel or something. I “tweeted” him as to whazzup, and will let you know if he responds…

  41. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 2:08 pm #

    Comment by dirty rotten thor on 7/12 @ 2:04 pm #

    So what exactly are you trying to prove by telling stories about people who fled from Casto’s fascist dictatorship?

    Other than that you want to lick Fidel’s ass crack, I mena.

  42. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:09 pm #

    Yes, that was a real bloodletting it seems General Danger; but the PW commentariat came through!

  43. Comment by SBP on 7/12 @ 2:11 pm #

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we kick this pack of inbred German waterheads to the curb way back in the 18th century?

  44. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:12 pm #

    And now for something completely different…Some pictures

    http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/140314022

    http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/140317485

    http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/140317788

    All pretty good…

  45. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:13 pm #

    And here’s one of thor’s boys
    http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/140323968/nickdouglas-kylebunch-bristley-via

  46. Comment by Fidel Castrate on 7/12 @ 2:17 pm #

    All giving is good

    All gooding is cuba, junior.

  47. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 2:21 pm #

    “Americans do give much, but good people around the world give charitably, probably even moreso than the profit driven American masses.”

    So when President Bush challenged the European Union to match the U.S. contribution to preventing Aids spread in Africa why where they unable to reach even 30%?

  48. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 2:28 pm #

    “Where is ‘feets today? We misses his takes on things, yes we do’

    I am pretty sure he said he was going to Chicago a few threads back

  49. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:30 pm #

    An article on thors friends from 2004…

    Money quote:
    But Pepe Fanjul recently told the Florida Sun-Sentinel that as refugees from Fidel Castro’s revolution, he and his brother decided when they arrived in America that “it was important to support people whose view we agreed with.”

    Sounds to me like they fled Castro’s “workers paradise”…

    But, you know, I a flag pin wearin’, jingoistic, certified racist, former baby-killin’, hick-tarded, RethugliKKKan…So, how could I know anything for sure…

  50. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 2:34 pm #

    Anybody heard from Pdbuttons?
    He is always good for “extending operations”

  51. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 2:34 pm #

    “Comment by dirty rotten thor on 7/12 @ 2:14 pm #

    That Cubans give charitably and generously to Cubans back home and they don’t hate Cuba or Cubans because only retards do that.”

    Actually, whore, only retards are incapable of understanding a simple declarative English sentence.

    Retards like you.

  52. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 2:36 pm #

    “Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 2:13 pm #

    And here’s one of thor’s boys”

    whore now has a woody.

    A tiny thing to be sure, but, nonetheless….

  53. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 2:37 pm #

    “You aren’t worthy of a Cubano’s respect, P’brain, better you stand at attention when they walk by.”

    Love how the vein is throbbing on your forhead, you retarded marmoset.

    And speaking of standing at attention…..

  54. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 2:38 pm #

    Speaking of Prince Charles, Thor seems to have cramps with his period coming on.

  55. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 2:39 pm #

    He seems unable to think rationally.

  56. Comment by Dana on 7/12 @ 2:55 pm #

    96 months, huh? Well, accordin’ to my precise ca’culations, 96 months equals 8 years. Does this mean that His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales believes that the world must be saved at the end of what he apparently hopes will be President Obama’s second term, or we are all doomed, doomed!?

  57. Comment by donald on 7/12 @ 2:55 pm #

    Well, I guess you could interpret that as Thor or Charles. That works.

  58. Comment by Another Bob on 7/12 @ 3:08 pm #

    Borrowing from a wise Ric Locke…

    My message to HRH and Gore et al. is – You first.

    I’ll seriously consider behaving as if there’s a crisis if the people saying there is a crisis start acting that way themselves.

  59. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 3:16 pm #

    65.Comment by Another Bob

    Another Bob huh, Well using Ric Loc as ammunition is a wise choice
    So welcome aboard Bob and man a gun.

    Weapons free, fire at will

  60. Comment by Joe on 7/12 @ 3:18 pm #

    Prince Charles I expect you to come mow my lawn. 5or 6aia.

  61. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 3:23 pm #

    Sorry, I forgot the link in #56

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2004/01/15/2004-01-15_how_sweet_it_is_for_sugar_ki.html

    I don’t know what’s the matter with me lately

  62. Comment by Pablo on 7/12 @ 3:29 pm #

    Russian on one end and a Cuban on the other, go get your mouth and butt tag-teamed, ignorant coward.

    Ah, thor’s happy place.

  63. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 3:29 pm #

    “I don’t know what’s the matter with me lately”

    I am sure that it is just a subconsious effort to make the rest of us feel better about our selves;)

  64. Comment by Joe on 7/12 @ 3:32 pm #

    Prince Charles I expect you to come weed my organic garden. For Gaia. You can clean up organic chickenshit too. Tuesdays work for me.

  65. Comment by TheGeezer on 7/12 @ 3:33 pm #

    It’s a shame we couldn’t have topled that useless monarchy in Great Britain during out revolution. A shame.

  66. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 3:41 pm #

    The action is heating up over at operation Rici.

    Adjust fire as necessary

  67. Comment by badanov on 7/12 @ 3:43 pm #

    Ms. Click does a very credible job of stating the end result of all this advocacy for socialism…

  68. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 3:45 pm #

    “Comment by Pablo on 7/12 @ 3:29 pm #

    Russian on one end and a Cuban on the other, go get your mouth and butt tag-teamed, ignorant coward.

    Ah, thor’s happy place.”

    pro⋅jec⋅tion  /prəˈdʒɛkʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pruh-jek-shuhn] Show IPA

    11. Psychology. a. the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way.

    b. Psychoanalysis. such an ascription relieving the ego of a sense of guilt or other intolerable feeling.

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  70. Comment by serr8d on 7/12 @ 3:51 pm #

    Hmmph. No matter how hot it gets outside, Prince Charles would never be bereft of his air conditioning. But for everyone else? Let ‘em coagulate.

    In case you missed, this link mentions a fascinating article from the early ’90’s, by economist Robert Heilbroner (a Socialist) who lamented that communism / socialism was untenable, unless we (the socialists) could engage ecology and environmental whackism to lead the way…

    The direction in which things are headed is some version of capitalism, whatever its title. In Eastern Europe, the new system is referred to as Not Socialism. Socialism may not continue as an important force now that Communism is finished. But another way of looking at socialism is as the society that must emerge if humanity is to cope with the ecological burden that economic growth is placing on the environment. From this perspective, the long vista after Communism leads through capitalism into a still unexplored world that roust [must?] be safely attained and settled before it can be named.

    We can now name it Obamanism.

  71. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 3:57 pm #

    I proudly salute your grasp of the obvious.

    Ironically unironic intended irony. Nice.

  72. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 4:06 pm #

    Its like rain on your wedding day
    A free ride when you’ve already paid
    Some good advice that you just cant take…

  73. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 4:07 pm #

    Sorry BMoe,

    just channeling my inner pdbuttons

  74. Comment by SBP on 7/12 @ 4:15 pm #

    He seems unable to think rationally.

    Considering that he’s his own first, second, third, fourth, fifth…nth cousin, it’s probably blind luck that he can even produce coherent speech. Cognition is too much to hope for.

    Vide this earlier Charles.

  75. Comment by Rusty on 7/12 @ 4:26 pm #

    This site was great when it was Protien Wisdom.

  76. Comment by Danger on 7/12 @ 4:29 pm #

    “This site was great when it was Protien Wisdom.”

    Did spelling it wrong make it more ironic?

  77. Comment by JHo on 7/12 @ 5:35 pm #

    Hat’s off to George Orwell at #26. Stuff like that is the antidote to progressivism.

    Core thinking is all we have left, folks. If we’d but extend that to the problem with money, then we’d be on the right hunt to save our little republic and with it, our own asses. Where are the libertarians when you need ‘em?

  78. Comment by geoffb on 7/12 @ 6:00 pm #

    Re: #80,

    An excerpt from Heilbroner’s 1978 essay in Dissent, quoted in this Reason piece by David Boaz.


    Socialism…must depend for its economic direction on some form of planning, and for its culture on some form of commitment to the idea of a morally conscious collectivity….

    If tradition cannot, and the market system should not, underpin the socialist order, we are left with some form of command as the necessary means for securing its continuance and adaptation. Indeed, that is what planning means…

    The factories and stores and farms and shops of a socialist socioeconomic formation must be coordinated…and this coordination must entail obedience to a central plan…

    The rights of individuals to their Millian liberties [are] directly opposed to the basic social commitment to a deliberately embraced collective moral goal… Under socialism, every dissenting voice raises a threat similar to that raised under a democracy by those who preach antidemocracy. “

    Command, coercion, that is what “planning” means on the left. They have “plans” for everyone and everything.

  79. Comment by lee on 7/12 @ 6:12 pm #

    Where are the libertarians when you need ‘em?

    Don’t bother them, they are busy exerting their right to freedom by getting high.

    Washington grew hemp, don’t you know?

  80. Comment by Salt Lick on 7/12 @ 6:23 pm #

    Walthor, why are you playing the race card again?

    Some people mount high horses for moral superiority; thor rides The Negro. When The Negro rebels (see Clarence Thomas or Condi Rice), thor uses the whip.

  81. Comment by Carin on 7/12 @ 6:33 pm #

    peeks in. sees thor. goes and picks up a book.

  82. Comment by The Monster on 7/12 @ 6:37 pm #

    Cuba provides medical assistance

    . . .

    Good Jesus-blowers, they’re Cubans, proud Cubans, no less Cuban whether they’re resting their heads on the private island in the Bahamas or in Cuba or in West Palm Beach.

    Poor Thor really can’t help himself, folks. Collectivists are incapable of distinguishing between governments and people (unless they’re individual person people who are Enemies of The People, as in “The People v. _____”). Cuba=Cubans. It is axiomatic, if not tautalogical, in the GroupThink worldview. This is exactly how “I hope he [Obama] fails [to enact his policies]” becomes “I hope America fails”. “L’etat c’est moi” and all that.

  83. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 6:41 pm #

    Just so that you all know that the weekend was not a total wash, I learned that I have an innate ability to attract and enrage alcohol addled trolls. That was a talent I did not know I had. So, I have that going for me, which is nice.

  84. Comment by Carin on 7/12 @ 6:42 pm #

    Thor can’t help but beat us up with all those straw men. We HATE the cubans, you know?

  85. Comment by BuddyPC on 7/12 @ 6:55 pm #

    3. Comment by ruminate on that on 7/12 @ 10:51 am #
    Cuba provides medical assistance to the sick all over the world and Hugo Chavez heats the homes of poor Americans in the winter.

    Not this past winter, Chavez didn’t. Citizen Joe was mighty pissed.
    Meanwhile, Fidel flies in physicians and their medical equipment (read:made in USA) from Spain.

  86. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 6:57 pm #

    We HATE the cubans, you know?

    Huh, you don’t know your betters. The Cubans won WWII!

  87. Comment by JHo on 7/12 @ 6:59 pm #

    In the air!

  88. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 7:00 pm #

    You mean to tell me that you have never heard of the Cuban General that defeated Rommel in the afternoon and then went to pitch a no-hitter in the night game of the allied intramural league?

  89. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 7:09 pm #

    Oh, and the Cubans invented nuclear energy, organic farming, reverse osmosis, solar panels, pizza, the infield fly rule, artificial turf, the convertible, bowling pins, clown shoes, rainbow wigs, chicken wings, adjustable drivers, flurries, milkshakes, hoop skirts, submarines, fishing lures, beach towels, the eiffel tower, and the board game Monopoly. Fuckers.

  90. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 7:19 pm #

    The Cubans also invented the styrofoam peanut. Where would you be without that? Nowhere, that’s where!

  91. Comment by geoffb on 7/12 @ 7:23 pm #

    So Pavel Andreievich Chekov was a Cuban? Who’d ah thunk it.

  92. Comment by Pablo on 7/12 @ 7:36 pm #

    Cubans have invented some pretty cool shit. So they could get the fuck out of Cuba.

  93. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 7:37 pm #

    “Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 7:19 pm #

    The Cubans also invented the styrofoam peanut. Where would you be without that? Nowhere, that’s where!”

    And in memory of that invention, to this day Cubans stuff trash bags full of them, take them down to the sea, and try to escape that communist hellhole by paddling said peanut stuffed bags to the good ol’ USA.

  94. Comment by Rusty on 7/12 @ 7:53 pm #

    #86
    No.’Protein’

    Bye

  95. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 7:56 pm #

    Methinks Bonnie Prince Charles has finally gone completely daft; he’s bloody barmy I tells ya!

    But Al Gore, well , you know, he’s carazy like a fox.

    He has not gone daft at all, Bob. He wants a return to the good old days. Progressivism indeed.

    We’re One. We get to carry each other.

    Not in a million fucking years, dude. I have talent, you don’t.

    Sorry BMoe,

    just channeling my inner pdbuttons

    That comment was aimed at thor, you and buttons are both cool in my book.

  96. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 7:59 pm #

    Meant to link to this on the first comment about the Royal Retard.

  97. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 8:00 pm #

    Without Cubans, ham, roast pork, and a pickle would have never got together on a damn sammich! Did I mention that the Cubans won the Crimean war?

  98. Comment by Abe Froman on 7/12 @ 8:04 pm #

    So, does anyone actually think thor wanted to have a debate about the merits of Venezuela and Cuba? Or is it, you know, possible, that in thorlandia it is absolutely hilarious that it’s so easy to continually get a bunch of wingnuts wound up?

  99. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 8:04 pm #

    Cubans also invented pineapple upside down cake, the automatic transmission, and the 3-4 defense.

  100. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 8:06 pm #

    Ad absurdium.

  101. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 8:08 pm #

    There’s also Mark Cuban, a somewhat successful guy.

  102. Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 8:17 pm #

    Hi cynn,

    How’s the hangover?

  103. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 8:20 pm #

    “…yet I don’t impugn those two great countries nor the exceptionalism of their peoples…”

    thor,
    Let me get this straight. You won’t impugn the exceptionalism of Cubans and Venezuelans, but anyone that tries to extoll American exceptionalism are flag waving, jingoistic, racist, hicktards..?

    Sounds like a either a double standard at work, or, you know, the “h” word…

  104. Comment by Abe Froman on 7/12 @ 8:21 pm #

    voted for Obama, as did the majority of voting-aged Americans. In and of itself, meaning my vote, that would translate to my supporting Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez, yet I don’t impugn those two great countries nor the exceptionalism of their peoples, including their graciousness and charitableness. Only retards do that.

    Anything else you want to add, M O R O N?

    I gave you a backhanded compliment. It’s a pity you’re too stupid to take it because I doubt anything about your life merits any of the sincere variety.

  105. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 8:23 pm #

    Hiya cynn,

    Care to explain how my comments are “actionable?” Do tell. “Enquiring” minds want to know.

  106. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 8:25 pm #

    …I have no hangover. Just checking in to make sure Joe’s not raising hackles. Evidently not, so caio.

  107. Comment by Les Paul on 7/12 @ 8:25 pm #

    If you had any talent you’d be a Fender man down to your amp.

    You wouldn’t know shit if you had a mouthful, boy. Say, what’s that brown stuff dribbling down your chin?

  108. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 8:28 pm #

    Oh, BigD. I may have taken it a bit far because you were so gung-ho on equating Sodermayer with Che. You raised the issue, not me. It’s a wash. Sorry.

  109. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 8:35 pm #

    Wrong cynn. I most certainly did not equate Sotomayor with Guevara. In fact, that was the entire point of my comment. And I did not raise the issue, cynn. Go back and read it again.

    If I read your comments correctly, I am to be expecting legal action? If not, you should do the honorable thing and withdraw your remark.

  110. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 8:42 pm #

    Withdrawn. My fault for poor exegesis. I’ll chalk you up as one who needs to be taken seriously. But I should do that with everyone.

  111. Comment by Chet Atkins on 7/12 @ 8:44 pm #


    Comment by Les Paul on 7/12 @ 8:25 pm #

    You wouldn’t know shit if you had a mouthful, boy. Say, what’s that brown stuff dribbling down your chin?

    And you could use a little Less Paul in your mouth, Les.

  112. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 8:49 pm #

    Duly noted cynn. I was somewhat taken aback at your comments last night as you and I had never had issues before. Well, bygones and all…

  113. Comment by Les Paul on 7/12 @ 8:54 pm #

    And you could use a little Less Paul in your mouth, Les.

    You could use a little less Michael Jackson in your act, Chester.

  114. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 8:56 pm #

    Sorry, but in the back of my mind I knew that a leftist president would never be able to address the grinding woes that increasingly confront us. It’s like Nanny 911 versus Godzilla. Makes me sad, is all.

  115. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 8:59 pm #

    “Effen hot hippy chicks are the best.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!

    As if you ever had one.

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!11!!11!!

  116. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 9:01 pm #

    “thor,
    Let me get this straight. You won’t impugn the exceptionalism of Cubans and Venezuelans, but anyone that tries to extoll American exceptionalism are flag waving, jingoistic, racist, hicktards..?

    Sounds like a either a double standard at work, or, you know, the “h” word…”

    I’ll take H word for 800, Alex.

    Why does thor hate America?

    I’ll take R word for 1000, Alex.

    Why is whore such a retarded marmoset?

  117. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 9:02 pm #

    Sorry, but in the back of my mind I knew that a leftist president would never be able to address the grinding woes that increasingly confront us.

    Now you’re getting it, cynn. No President can fix the “woes.” Congress can’t either. Doesn’t matter what party controls the congress and the executive. The fix resides in all of us, individually. Government cannot help in this, it can only hinder.

  118. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 9:05 pm #

    Comment by dirty rotten thor on 7/12 @ 9:03 pm #

    Um, no.

    Not everyone has them just because you do, moron. See my post on “projection” up thread.

    And the throbbing vein in your forehead is soooo cute.

  119. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 9:07 pm #

    Sad. And exhausted. I have an ounce of fight left.

  120. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 9:15 pm #

    thor,
    I just can’t buy that somehow Cubans or Venezualeans are exceptional but that Americans are not…

    Neither of those countries can guarantee the freedom of their own people nor oust the petty tyrants that rule them as their personal fiefdoms. While Americans have delivered freedom to many of the worlds formerly opressed people…

    And, unlike some other totalitarian regimes, territories that we defeat in war are not annexed, at least not since the end of the 19th century, but instead given their freedom!

    I can’t abide by any Chavez or Castro fan-clubbing; not by our President nor by anyone. Indeed, if those places are so idyllic, I would invite all the socialist loving peoples here to move there. Feel free to take your bank accounts, material goods, etc…

    Do that instead of allowing Obama to convert this great nation into a jumbo sized banana republic, ruled by a petty tyrant like all those kind of places are…

    He’s no aristocrat, not my better, and enjoys absolutely no divine right of majesty; no one does in the nation of laws, not men, that our enlightened forebears established…

  121. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/12 @ 9:19 pm #

    I’ll just bet you want to “help” orphans.

    Especially the young boys.

  122. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 9:20 pm #

    Oh. My. God. You need to move.

  123. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 9:20 pm #

    You play a ES330, for Christ’s sake. If you had any talent you’d be a Fender man down to your amp.

    I play a bastardized 330. It is a ‘65 that someone put ‘68 humbuckers in, which is the only reason I could afford it. And I mostly just use it for recording, or for low level coffee house gigs because it feeds back like a motherfucker at rock and roll stage volume.

    My main axe is a 80s era G&L Strat, and I have a no name kit parts Tele I like a lot.

    As for amps, I use a Fender black face Champ for recording, for live shows I either use a Princeton or a Vibrolux, both 70s silverface. All my amps are all tube, including the rectifier.

    None of that has anything to do with my point. I earn my chops in music as a player, because my lyrics are marginal at best, but I can still write circles around your cut and paste watch me piss in the rose bed ass.

    My guitar playing compared to your writing isn’t even in the same universe.

  124. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 9:23 pm #

    Cynn,
    You, like the rest of us, will enjoy good times again. Just as with the nation, our best days lie in each of our futures…

    As a nation, we all just have to abandon knee-jerk partisanship and do what is right individually. And we all have to hold our elected representatives responsible for representing our wishes and/or doing what is in the best interest of our nation, instead of what is best for them, of worse yet what they think is best for us…

    If they realize that their phony-baloney jobs depend on actually representing us instead of some of the BS going on now, then things might start to actually get done satisfactorily for a change…

    Take it easy…

  125. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 9:27 pm #

    Shut up Joe,
    Best in this best of all possible worlds!

  126. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 9:31 pm #

    Bob Reed,

    Well said…For a flyboy. Heh

    Seriously, you encapsulate the essence of the nation very well in very few words.

    Our best days are indeed in front of us.

  127. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 9:46 pm #

    Well thanks BigD,

    Flyboys have lots of time to think about this stuff…’Cuz we didn’t have to pull none of the shitty details you Devil Dogs did…

    Worst thing for us was “Alert 5″, where you sat on the deck strapped in and ready to go within 5 minutes…

    Kinda like being all dressed up with no place to go!

  128. Comment by JD on 7/12 @ 9:51 pm #

    happy is in Chicago, Bob. I am meeting happy, geoffb, Karl, and some others for dinner tomorrow night. Anyone that would like to join us, you are more than welcome.

  129. Comment by JD on 7/12 @ 9:55 pm #

    Fuck you, thor.

  130. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 9:55 pm #

    JD,
    Give all of thise fine gentlemen migh regards, and I hope y’all enjoy a lovely evening of beef, booze, and BS!

    Best Wishes

  131. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 9:56 pm #

    *sigh*
    migh=my…Too many good times during my misspent youth…

  132. Comment by JD on 7/12 @ 9:57 pm #

    We are doing Chicago deep-dish @ Lou Malnatti’s. I am the designated driver.

  133. Comment by Big D on 7/12 @ 9:57 pm #

    Bob,

    Someday when I get back to NY we’ll have to trade sea stories over a drink or two.

    For the benefit of the unwashed I’ll clarify the difference between a sea story and a fairy tale.

    Fairy tale – “Once upon a time…”

    Sea Story – “This ain’t no shit…”

  134. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 9:58 pm #

    I have a solid state fender practice amp…

    I haven’t had a practice amp in thirty years.

  135. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 9:59 pm #

    Get off the internets and go find your voice, dude.

  136. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 10:02 pm #

    Sounds good to me BigD…Same is true if I get down to Texas…

    That is where you are isn’t it?

  137. Comment by JD on 7/12 @ 10:06 pm #

    Drove from Florida to Indianapolis straight through. Am a bit tired, so I will bid you all goodnight.

  138. Comment by meya on 7/12 @ 10:13 pm #

    Darleen, this is some fascinating repurposing of dorothea lange.

  139. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 10:25 pm #

    I put some links up for you in the pub.

  140. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 10:30 pm #

    Darleen, this is some fascinating repurposing of dorothea lange.

    What was her original purpose, do you suppose?

  141. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 10:32 pm #

    Or more to the point, what was the purpose of Florence Thompson?

  142. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/12 @ 10:39 pm #

    We sure delivered hell in a handbasket to Nam, eh? And how about Haiti, you do know we invaded them once, no? Left them reeling too. And those pistol whipping Reagan boys, the contras of Nicaragua, fuckin’ awesome women and children shooters they were.

    Well, the Democrats started the Vietnam war, and effectively ended it through all of the left wing anti-war agitprop and congress tying the hands of Ford when he wanted to back up the south after the north, freshly supplied with Russian weapons, invaded the south…

    I don’t wish to relive all of that shame again, except to say that guys like that punk Billy Ayers were knee deep in the ruination of this great country, and they pulled off a conditional victory there…

    Haiti? Which time…

    Nicaragua? Sandinistas were no angels either thor. I’m not engaging in tu quoque here, but simply stating the matter of fact that the Sandinistas were living in the jungles in El Salvador, and committing violent acts inside Nicaragua during their border-hopping “revolutionary” raids that made the Contras look like school boys comparatively…

    And who stood by impotently while it happened? Jimmy effin’ Carter, the great foreign policy jeen-yus and American emasculator; the same yutz that gave back the Panama canal…

    Kinda like Obama with Honduras right now…

    So, I think the fact that you can’t acknowledge the good we’ve done over the years, but instead choose to focus on the failures and misteps, speaks volumes about how un-exceptional you think we are sometimes…

    That and all of the crazy rhetoric you put down about pussy American sodiers, fat lazy Americans, et cetera ad infinatum, ad nauseum…

  143. Comment by B Moe on 7/12 @ 10:46 pm #

    So, I think the fact that you can’t acknowledge the good we’ve done over the years, but instead choose to focus on the failures and misteps…

    A reflection on one’s soul, I would reckon.

  144. Comment by cynn on 7/12 @ 10:49 pm #

    Bmoe: Even more salient: What is the point of Florence Henderson?

    C’mon get happy

  145. Comment by SBP on 7/12 @ 10:54 pm #

    #169: Ultima ratio retardum

    Say, did you ever explain what was “actionable” in the Saturday night thread?

    Or did you post that whole thread during a blackout?

  146. Comment by meya on 7/12 @ 11:07 pm #

    “What was her original purpose, do you suppose?”

    Big government liberalism.

  147. Comment by SBP on 7/12 @ 11:09 pm #

    Good thing that the Supreme Court kept us from going down the fascist road with FDR as the Dear Leader, the way that most of Europe did.

  148. Comment by Pablo on 7/12 @ 11:14 pm #

    C’mon get happy

    Oooooh. Shirley Jones. Close, though.

  149. Comment by SBP on 7/12 @ 11:26 pm #

    Hello, world, here’s the song that we’re singin’
    C’mon get fascist!
    A whole lot of murder is what we’ll be bringin’
    We’ll make you fascist!

    We had a dream, we’d go travelin’ together,
    We’d kill a few kulaks then we’d keep movin’ on.
    People always dyin’ whenever we’re together
    We get a happy feelin’ when we’re building a bomb.

    Trav’lin’ along there’s a song that we’re singin’
    C’mon get fascist!
    A Whole lot of murder is what we’ll be bringin’
    We’ll make you fascist!
    We’ll make you fascist!
    We’ll make you fascist!

  150. Comment by Robohobo on 7/12 @ 11:46 pm #

    re; From Gar Smith: “who used to spend their days and evenings in the streets playing music on their own instruments and sewing clothing for their neighbors on foot-pedal powered sewing machines”

    IOW, when the happy serfs (slaves) entertained us with their quaint ways. Ah, it was a simpler time, it was.

    I look forward to the day when it becomes fashionable to hunt these soft metrosexual city chumps for food. They should make good eatin’.

  151. Comment by Danger on 7/13 @ 2:15 am #

    #86
    No.’Protein’

    Bye

    Sorry Rusty,

    I didn’t meen to be insulting when I brought up the spelling thing (Lord knows I should talk) I was just stuck on the irony meme at the time.

    Though, I am curious as to why you feel the site has degraded.

    I think we all miss JeffG and guys like Karl and Dan made significant contributions in the past but their are some pretty serious thinkers and a lot of ROTFL good times here now.

    I have followed the site for quite a while now but only recently started posting and I recall that although the threads were usually started by JeffG and the topics were often a different flavor they usually involved troll bashing and politics in one form or another.

    Your memory may be different than mine though so please respond with your view.

  152. Comment by Danger on 7/13 @ 2:43 am #

    “Kalashnikov is compared to the shitty M16″

    As someone who has shot both weapons I can attest to the M16 being the superior
    one.

  153. Comment by General Danger on 7/13 @ 2:50 am #

    Comment by torh on 7/12 @ 8:00 pm #

    Without Cubans, ham, roast pork, and a pickle would have never got together on a damn sammich! Did I mention that the Cubans won the Crimean war?

    Son,

    We need guys like you to sign on for a USO tour, cause stuff that funny just hast to be shared :0

  154. Comment by General Danger on 7/13 @ 3:14 am #

    oops, hast=has above

  155. Comment by Cowboy on 7/13 @ 3:49 am #

    JD:

    I’d meet with you guys in Chicago, but 4 1/2 hours each way is too much in one day.

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  157. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/13 @ 5:01 am #

    “The only important lesson from the Vietnam War is this: Democrats lose wars”

    -Ann Coulter

  158. Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/13 @ 5:03 am #

    ” Other people have the right to be proud and boastful…”

    They don’t hate their native country like you do, rube.

  159. Comment by Danger on 7/13 @ 5:14 am #

    Morning Brain,

    How is Matt doing? I forget if he is in Iraq or Afghanistan. If he comes around the Baghdad area please have him look me up. I work at the Iraqi AOC at Camp Victory

    Tell him Pizza Hut and Neer Beer is on me:)

  160. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/13 @ 7:30 am #

    Other people have the right to be proud and boastful just as much as we do. And they are. This I get. You, not so much.

    thor,
    Maybe you’re right, I am a nationalist; I won’t apologize for loving America and all we’ve stood for in the past-what I hope we stand for one day again after the current Obamanation passes from the national stage…

    I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember Jimmy Carter’s Presidency. But it was truly a shameful time for this nation, that led to retrenchment overseas, the emboldening of our enemies, and disastrous economic conditions here at home. And I can see Mr. Obama trying to do all the same things, only moreso, again now. I simply can not go along with it easily…

    I’m all for being proud of one’s country. But you don’t have to do so by tearing others down. You often seem to want to, “put America in it’s place”, allegedly to allow others to shine as they rightly should. But that is a false proposition a priori, because if you have to denigrate us to pump others up, then their greatness is actually an intellectual and rhetorical fallacy…

    So let others boast, sure, but not by talking about how terrible everyone else is. Boast of positive things, in a positive way…

    Me, I restrict my boasting to the Greatness of my Benevolent Lord for gracing me with all the gifts of body, mind, and charcter He has bestowed on me, and how every day He is moving me ever closer to achieving the purpose, and realizing the destiny, for which I was created.

    Now that’s boasting…

    Peace!

  161. Comment by Cowboy on 7/13 @ 7:36 am #

    Well put, Bob.

  162. Comment by JD on 7/13 @ 7:42 am #

    Bob – Why do you assume He is not a She ? ;-)

  163. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/13 @ 7:43 am #

    Thanks Cowboy…

  164. Comment by Bob Reed on 7/13 @ 7:46 am #

    ‘Cuz JD,
    I’m a knicle dragging, mysoginistic, patriarchal h8ter; and cuz Christ referred to God as His father…

    But, you know, mostly the latter…

    Be cool, and drive carefully to Chicago…

  165. Comment by JD on 7/13 @ 7:49 am #

    Thx. I am a pro and driving and commenting. Plus, after nearly 22 hours in the car with 3 unhappy women, this drive is a breeze ;-)

  166. Comment by JD on 7/13 @ 7:51 am #

    BECAUSE OF THE PATRIARCHY !!!!!

    I can has sum misoginy ?!

  167. Comment by Neo on 7/13 @ 8:23 am #

    Notice how everybody likes the ideal of the Medieval Times fantasy but nobody wants to be the serfs?

  168. Comment by LTC John on 7/13 @ 8:29 am #

    OK, no more with the troll back and forth, OK?

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15136

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  170. Comment by Swen Swenson on 7/13 @ 6:00 pm #

    No one believes they’ll be the serfs this time around either, but most are sadly mistaken..

  171. Comment by Ric Caric on 7/13 @ 9:08 pm #

    I thought Sgt. Mom was talking about Jeff G. and Glenn Beck before she began to focus on Chomsky. Like most of the analogies between Rome and the U. S., her take was pretty stupid. The basic fact is that most of “Western civilization” developed out of the Germanic groups that conquered the Romans. If you have an English, German, French, Spanish, Balkan, Scandanavian, and at least Northern Italian background, it was your side that won in the centuries of warfare between the Romans and “the barbarians.” If you look at “Gladiator” and see the screaming barbarians in the first battle scene, they are the ones who became us. They also became the Brits who played most of the “Roman Army” speaking roles as well.

  172. Comment by SBP on 7/13 @ 9:28 pm #

    The basic fact is that most of “Western civilization” developed out of the Germanic groups that conquered the Romans.

    The basic fact is that civilization has nothing to do with ethnic background.

    Moron.

  173. Comment by SBP on 7/13 @ 9:34 pm #

    I mean, is Caric really claiming that the fundamentals of our civilization don’t come from Greece and Rome, as modulated by Christianity?

    And instead he’s arguing some sort of genetic determinism vis-a-vis civilization and forms of government?

    Did you ever take a Western Civ class, Caric? Ever?

  174. Comment by bh on 7/13 @ 9:43 pm #

    If I had to guess, SBP, I have a feeling he’s probably shaky on the genetic determinism angle as well or he wouldn’t have been so sloppy on his attempt to nationalize the barbars.

  175. Comment by bh on 7/13 @ 9:46 pm #

    But, at that level, it is informative. Caric makes noises that sound like, “Bar bar bar, bar, bar bar.”

  176. Comment by SBP on 7/13 @ 10:08 pm #

    He’s a full professor of Political Science, bh.

    And he doesn’t have the faintest clue about the history of Western Civilization in particular, or the government of the United States in specific.

    He probably should’ve read more Locke, less Guevara.

  177. Comment by Darleen on 7/13 @ 10:13 pm #

    You just know that Caric, were electricity suddenly gone, would last about three days before he’d hang himself in a closet because he couldn’t figure how to open a can of refried beans without his electric can opener.

  178. Comment by bh on 7/13 @ 10:20 pm #

    “He’s a full professor of Political Science, bh.”

    Wow. That’s amazing.

  179. Comment by SBP on 7/13 @ 10:36 pm #

    bh: Yeah, innit?

    And people wonder why I argue that the university system needs to be completely scrapped.

  180. Comment by The Monster on 7/13 @ 10:38 pm #

    If you have an English, German, French, Spanish, Balkan, Scandanavian, and at least Northern Italian background, it was your side that won in the centuries of warfare between the Romans and “the barbarians.

    My ancestry is almost all German, and the rest is almost all English, which (Angles/Saxons) back then was German. Yeah, my people fought off the mighty Roman Empire when it was at its peak, and after Teutoburg Forest forced them to withdraw back to the Rhine, for four centuries. Then when it fell back from that peak, we filled the vacuum created thereby. (That’s how the Angles and Saxons moved into “Angle-Land” in the first place.)

    But along the way, we gave up our runic script and adopted the Roman alphabet, Latin roots for many of our words, and the influence of the official religion of the Empire. Even the Vandals and Visigoths weren’t trying to destroy the Empire; they just wanted a place in it. The Franks spoke “vulgar Latin” that evolved into French. Their second king, Charlemagne, was well on his way to re-creating it (Leo III crowned him “Imperator Romanorum”, but his son Louis split the thing amongst his three sons, who proceeded to fight over the pieces), and the first real empire of the Germans per se was the “Holy Roman Empire”!

  181. Comment by SBP on 7/13 @ 10:40 pm #

    I wish you’d been on the committee for Caric’s oral exam, Monster.

  182. Comment by guinsPen on 7/13 @ 10:49 pm #

    Professor cement-head it is, then.

  183. Comment by Rusty on 7/14 @ 4:59 am #

    #171
    Which is why,today,we still worship trees and rocks. Or ,at least, our social betters do.

  184. Comment by Silver Whistle on 7/14 @ 6:06 am #

    Poor old Ric seems to think that the barbarian hordes weren’t actually a part of the Roman Empire and its civilization before they participated in its dismemberment. And what prompted this brain fart? Darleen linking to a Sgt. Mom piece in which “The World’s Greatest Public Intellectual” is mocked. The frauds of the left are not to be mocked! Or Professor Caric will spout gibberish! You are warned! I thought Sgt. Mom’s piece completely unexceptional, and “They display not the slightest inkling of how fragile civilization as we know it can really be -  or how ugly and basic human existence can be where there are no laws, no security anywhere to be found” to be very much on point. Any observer (well, any but the good Professor Chomsky and his fellow Serbian apologists) who viewed the events in Srebrenica  would come to the same conclusion.

  185. Comment by SBP on 7/14 @ 6:07 am #

    I nominate Caric for the next Wicker Man ceremony, Rusty.

    This dumbass gets paid tax money to shovel this kind of garbage into the heads of freshmen who don’t know any better.

  186. Comment by Silver Whistle on 7/14 @ 6:14 am #

    SBP, do freshman have to take polisci and women’s studies?

  187. Comment by SBP on 7/14 @ 6:23 am #

    Probably all of the pre-law students take intro to polisci, I’d guess.

    I took it when I was a freshman purely out of personal interest. I had a most excellent mad Scotswoman as my professor. She was a lefty, too, but at least she was a smart one.

  188. Comment by Silver Whistle on 7/14 @ 6:26 am #

    She was a lefty, too, but at least she was a smart one.

    I can forgive Caric most things too, apart from his dullness. It really is unpardonable.

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