From FOX:
Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free
Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely.
Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.
Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive “some form of periodic review” that could lead to their release.
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Republican on detainee policy, approved. “Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they’ve rehabilitated themselves and some of them may in fact die in jail,” Graham said. But “I don’t want to put people in a dark hole forever” simply “because somebody like Dick Cheney, or you fill in the blank with a politician, said so.”
Paraphrasing the adage: repeat it often enough and it has become true even within the very context of its untruth. Or if you prefer, what was once unassailable Troof is now untrue even if true.
Progressivism! Is there anything it can’t do?
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 7:23 am #
I’m starting to believe that the greatest hoax of all time, greater than Bigfoot, AGW, or the great “Obama’s High IQ Hoax” is the “Two parties will provide a loyal opposition to go along with our system of checks and balances” hoax.
Comment by Pablo on 7/8 @ 7:30 am #
Well, no shit, Sherlock.
Hey, I’ve got an idea! Let’s leave it up to the military to figure that out. However, if Dick Cheney says so, I’m OK with putting Lindsay in a dark hole forever. Or if he doesn’t. Whatever.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 7:33 am #
I define “tolerance” as Troof = untrue = true = conditionally either true or untrue. And tolerance is progress, so…it all works out!
Progressivism!
Comment by cowboy#2 on 7/8 @ 7:35 am #
The worthlessness of Lindsey Graham really cannot be overstated.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 7:59 am #
“Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they’ve rehabilitated themselves…”
As terrorists often do. But usually they take a few people with them during their “rehabilitation”.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 8:04 am #
That fucking poofter Graham is more worthless than the gelatinous traitor-tool, Specter. Good Allah, at least let it be the Dems that display overt BDS. I wish Cheney would cockslap him.
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 8:08 am #
When did Lindsay say that? Is that an old quote, or some new quote. And if it is a new quote, why mention Cheney? Last time I checked, Plugs Biden was Veep. Why not mention…oh….I don’t know…maybe Barack Obama or Plugs Biden?
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 8:12 am #
Doesn’t matter, Joe. We’re being trained.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 8:16 am #
IT’s true.
ALL of Obama’s statements come with an expiration date.
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 8:17 am #
I hope my cell in Gitmo is nice when they come to get me. I hear there is volley ball and you can masturbate all day and throw semen at the guards.
Sounds like fun.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 8:20 am #
Further evidence that Barcky and the Leftist have been overtly and aggressively dishonest about this issue since it first dishonestly became an issue. Sen. Rockefuckingfeller outlined for us how the Dems would politicize national security to their advantage, and the MSM has followed along like their little bitches. Fuck them.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 8:21 am #
Some pitchfork salesman is about to make a bucking fundle of money!
Another missed opportunity.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 8:35 am #
We just need to stop taking prisoner.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 8:37 am #
That’s only one example B Moe. Hardly a trend.
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 8:43 am #
Don’t give Obama any ideas B Moe, when they start rounding up political prisoners here I want my trip to Cuba!
Comment by geoffb on 7/8 @ 8:46 am #
Could is the weasel word. They get any heat from their left then it will be “We could do it but it would be wrong”. Thus implying the US is a place where evil can and will be done except for the noble actions of the Great Leader.
If they don’t get any heat then the terrorists can rot or not since it is all that matters is O! and his image, mostly the image.
Comment by SDN on 7/8 @ 8:49 am #
And we all know what a rehabilitated graduate of that program looks like:
thor, take a bow!
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 8:50 am #
I don’t get your point, JHo, if you’re trying to make one, that is. It seems both administrations’ policies are similar when it comes to Gitmo. So what. What did you expect? Sans that buttsucking liar, Dick Cheney, fouling the air with his lies, Gitmo is and always going to be would down at some point.
How is this a partisan issue, explain that. What were your expectations? That you’d be able to go to Gitmo yourself and poke a stick through the prison bars and prod some Muslim in the gizzard? “Hey kids, here’s the one Dickey C. says is a terrorist! Ya! Ya! Look at him hop!”
The Iraqis are not going to be erecting statues of Wonnie Weagan and Dickey Cheney after we depart Iraq. I hope you’re not expecting any.
Comment by JHoward on 7/8 @ 8:52 am #
Are you back now, thor? I hope all there are doing as well as can be expected.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 8:54 am #
SDN – Brilliant timing …
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 8:58 am #
You’d best stand and bow when I pass by. Disrespect from lessors sometimes annoys me. And you don’t want to do that.
Comment by LTC John on 7/8 @ 8:58 am #
“The Iraqis are not going to be erecting statues of Wonnie Weagan and Dickey Cheney after we depart Iraq. I hope you’re not expecting any.”
Reagan? WTF?
Maybe not Cheney, but probably of Bush. Well, at least the folks I spoke with in Basrah and Baghdad. How about the Iraqis you know?
Oh, and piss on you Sen Graham. I have fought the people you seem so sympathetic toward. They would gut you like a carp first chance they got.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 9:02 am #
I am coming to believe that thor needs to be institutionalized. Perhaps he already is.
That would explain a lot.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 9:02 am #
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 8:50 am #
The liar returns.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 7/8 @ 9:03 am #
thor dupe just can’t face it. Gitmo isn’t going to be “would down” anytime soon. Gee, I thought the thor dupe meme was that potentially innocent people were being detained without trial.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/8 @ 9:03 am #
Lindsey don’t you ever come around here don’t wanna see your face cause of you’re an egregious poofter
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 9:03 am #
“Disrespect from lessors sometimes annoys me. And you don’t want to do that.”
Oooo, a threat from the Balless Wonder.
Im shaking in my boots.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:03 am #
Yep. It did go well, thanks, outside of feeling of an asteroid hitting us in the gut.
Peace.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 9:04 am #
And, yes, thor is a liar.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:04 am #
of = like
Comment by Michelle Obama on 7/8 @ 9:06 am #
They would gut you like a carp first chance they got.
You’re supposed to gut the carp? Oops.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 9:07 am #
You lack proper motivation, thor. But not bias (and worse). Maybe try that mix over two rocks with a twist.
So what Gitmo! was a fundamental Obie platform plank.
Just that. Point dawning yet?
Er? Gitmo “is and always going to be down” comprised that Obie plank I mentioned until it didn’t comprise that Obie plank I mentioned. So why elect the guy, thor? In an ironic way, maybe you’re right: It’s not partisan because everybody in office eventually resorts to baldfaced lies. thor 1, JHo 0.
Graham is a Republican mouthing the lies of progressivism. Laughably, transparently so.
Nothing less. Point dawning even more now?
Yeh, I’m a racist bigot xtianist, thor, that w/o any evidence to the contrary. Score thor 2, JHo 0.
Probably they’ll erect one to Saddam instead.
If you’re going to be an asshole all over again, thor, go do it someplace else, would be my wish.
Comment by Michelle Obama on 7/8 @ 9:11 am #
Lenin wanted statues. Bush went back to Texas to live his life.
Obama’s an idiot.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 9:12 am #
Remember what a mean talker thor is.
Don’t talk the talk if you can’t talk the talk.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 9:13 am #
crap
Comment by alppuccino on 7/8 @ 9:18 am #
Good to see you feeling perky thor. Sadness manifests itself in many different ways. I would still like to see you over on the side of America and I was sure that Obama’s insult of all Russians over our veritable stealing of Alaska from them would finally help you see the light.
Either way, keep those memories of your dear Mother alive.
Comment by nikkolai on 7/8 @ 9:24 am #
What do the Iraqis have to do with Gitmo?
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 9:25 am #
What does thor have to do with felching goats?
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 9:25 am #
LGF used to be good for tracking the inevitable explosion of “seething” at DU and DKos when something intuitive like the USG’s “evolving” approach to Gitmo, which to be clear, appears to have a lot in commom with the Bush administration’s, became public.
Because to my mind, this should set the seethe-o-meter at these joints to 11. As I understood Obama’s pledge, the policies that underpinned Gitmo as a prison would be immediately reversed.
Now, LGF tracks Creationism, which is just about what everyone I know is thinking about 24-7 these days.
People and things change.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 9:26 am #
People change things. FTFY.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 9:27 am #
And things remain indifferent.
Progressivism!
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 9:28 am #
We hate all Muslims, nikkolai. Don’t you know? So, seeing as anyone who has more than a “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” foreign policy as it pertains to Islamist scum, is a jingoistic, xenophobic racist, all Muslims (hell all Arabs!) are nothing but terrorists. So, they all belong in Gitmo. You see, because they are arab and Muslim.
Comment by ThomasD on 7/8 @ 9:28 am #
Disrespect from lessors sometimes annoys me.
Liar. You have neither earned respect nor encountered any lessors.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 9:34 am #
OI – Consider yourself denounced.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 9:34 am #
So Dinnerjacket walks into a bar and orders a bacon martini. “Dammit. That Obie just installed phones between us and Tel Aviv” he says. “And to think of all the time we wasted.”
He takes a sip, continues. “When all we needed was a venue.” Barkeep nods, slowly polishes another shot glass.
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 9:40 am #
It ain’t just Gitmo guys…
Good to see Andrew Sullivan caring about Sarah Palin’s family’s health. Chutzpah!
and
Rahm Emanuel’s other brother (not the foul mouthed agent) is deciding who gets special treatment under Obamacare and who does not. A criteria exists for those who “contribute.” While this is supposedly for organ donors (of course you are dead most of the time you donate organs so perhaps this is for your family) could it also apply to those who “contribute” in other ways? Time will tell.
What could go wrong?
Nuance.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:46 am #
Obama campaigned on the promise he’d initiate the process of unwinding Gitmo and our military involvement in Iraq sooner rather than later. He didn’t say he do it irresponsibly but, rather, with advisement of the military.
Iraq is not Ohio. We were always going to disengage militarily from Iraq at one point or another, same with Gitmo, it was never meant to be in place for eternity. Full cup of piping hot obviousness for all to share, enjoy.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 9:48 am #
Somebody inform Nurse Ratchet that this one is out of his padded cell.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 9:48 am #
thor,
I’m all for retaining those terrorists ’til hell freezes over if necessasry. But, do you at least admit that it’s somewhat hypocritical of O!&Co, since, you know, he essentially used this very issue as a cudgel to beat eeeeeeeevoll Boooooosh! and the Rethugs! about the head and shoulders with during the two years leading up to the election…
Can you simply admit that Obama either lied, or deliberately misled his followers…
A la, “Read my lips”…
I hope all is as well as can be expected for you and yours.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:52 am #
Hick wife: “Doctor tells me I have acute angina.”
Hick husband: “Thank God for that because your tits look like hell.”
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 9:53 am #
Can you simply admit that Obama either lied, or deliberately misled his followers…
No. No he can’t.
Comment by Matt on 7/8 @ 9:54 am #
You had Barney Frank at “black hole”…
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 9:54 am #
And Lindsay Graham? DO you think he could have managed to keep Cheney’s name out of the discussion? Doesn’t he realize that Cheney is no longer VP..?
Really! You have to wonder what goes on in this guy’s head sometimes…
In addition to agreeing with the policy he should have said something like, “I’m glad that the Obama administration has seen the error of the position the professed throughout the campaign, and used to demonize Republicans, and instead adopted the position that would afford the greates protection to Americans”…
But, you know, he never calls and asks for my advice…
Comment by maggie katzen on 7/8 @ 9:57 am #
cause he’s gay, gay, gay.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 9:58 am #
We were always going to disengage militarily from Paris at one point or another. It was never meant to be in place for eternity.
Anyway, back to the topic: Progressivism means never having to assess, reason, recant, admit, walk back, or even say you’re sorry. And one size fits all.
Hey! Isn’t that apropos? thor.
Progressivism! OHIO!
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:59 am #
It’s not like Obama went around telling the world Saddam had WMDs. Hahaha.
President Obama is a reasonable man therefore I, and most of America, trust his well-reasoned judgment.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 10:04 am #
It’s not like Obama went around telling the world Saddam had WMDs. Hahaha.
No. But Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, and John Edwards did. Hahaha, cretin.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 10:06 am #
Obie’s political equity is running solid red ink, thor, and you and I know it. The ideological bankruptcy is so evident that mouthbreathing residents of Dayton, redstaters, and brilliant secproggs such as yourself are all rejecting virtually every major policy initiative he’s on about.
Even Senates with 60-seat majorities are being pounded, and that in the sea of three-branch progressive Democrats that is the Capitol.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 10:08 am #
“It’s not like Obama went around telling the world Saddam had WMDs. Hahaha.”
You’re right…That was General Powell…
I just don’t get how Obama’s reasoning could so easily have led to a complete reversal on an issue he had such strong convictions on…
Perhaps his storied Judgement! was not as good as advertised…
What do you think of his Russian trip? Timely diplomacy, or finally implemeting a long held no-nukes disarmament fetish that seems out of step to more than a few…
Can you assuage my fears that he won’t, “give away the store”?
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:09 am #
So you agree with him that the stimulus is working? And you got a chuckle out of him thanking Russia for the sweet deal on Alaska?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 10:13 am #
Bob. Here’s a rock. A rock with sharp edges. Feel free to hit it against your head in the hope it will act as a loofa, thus cleansing your pores in a soothing manner. It will be as worthwile as getting thor to be honest when it comes to his man.
BTW, I really don’t want you to hit your head with a rock…sharp or not. I actually admire your resolve.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:14 am #
Progressivism is your ill-defined catch-all, more obviousness into that cup.
Obama isn’t the Marxican-SecProggy evil straw man you project him to be. I voted for Bush and I voted for Obama because they, I thought, were the better of my two choices. Obama is doing fine. I make no apologies for my vote and would cast it again.
I tire of having deluded crazy-fucks shaking their banana at me. I’m a mainstream independent. Reality, it’s what’s in the middle of the dinner plate.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:15 am #
President Obama is a reasonable man therefore I, and most of America, trust his well-reasoned judgment.
And … you agree with him on this Cap and Trade stuff?
(67 degrees here in Michigan right now – average high this time of year is supposed to be 81)
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 10:16 am #
Bottle that and sell it, thor. Would save a lot of people having to think for themselves.
CINCINNATI!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 10:16 am #
“Obama campaigned on the promise he’d initiate the process of unwinding Gitmo and our military involvement in Iraq sooner rather than later. He didn’t say he do it irresponsibly but, rather, with advisement of the military. ”
What a load of horseshit. It seems thor has destroyed the part of his brain that contained his memories of the recent election where Obama hammered Clinton everyday for voting for the war and was calling for the withdraw of all troops by 2007, 2008, and a variety of different datelines that suddenly changed once he won.
“Posted at 6:07 a.m., Wednesday, September 12, 2007
Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
Associated Press
CLINTON, Iowa — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq, with the pullout being completed by the end of next year.
“Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was,” Obama said in excerpts of the speech provided to The Associated Press.
“The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year — now,” the Illinois senator says.”
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/12/br/br6275409318.html
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:16 am #
So, thor, sell it. Tell us what the Stimulus is doing. Defend Cap and Trade and the healthcare.
Please.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:18 am #
Heh, Mr. Pink. I heard a soundbite the other day of him saying such things.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:18 am #
Or give us one of your lectures about being more empathetic to Russia.
That would be perfect right now.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 10:21 am #
I know Carin looking at this sentence in retrospect the guy is a complete idiot.
“The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops.”
That idiocy was said in 2007. What a freakin fool.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 10:23 am #
What a freakin fool.
You are not his audience. He doesn’t have to make sense to you. He has to make sense to simpletons.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:24 am #
Carin, your political views border on idiocy, sell me the why-s and whatfore-s of ‘em.
Please.
I’ve already crushed your r-wing delusions point by point many times over, why pretend I need to do it all again. When it comes to policy the r-wingered have nothing but a repeat of past failures. Own it.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 10:25 am #
Did 71 make sense to anyone in here?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 10:26 am #
I already self denounced earlier, JD. What, tmi?
Yes, for another “mainstream independent”, he’s doing just dandy.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 10:28 am #
Apparently one of the seven stages is “being a clueless asshat on-line for some reason”. You learn something new every day.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:29 am #
thor resorts to what he always does. . Claiming he’s already explained whatever is being asked. Declares victory. Bad mouths.
pathetic.
I don’t believe, in this thread, I’ve been anything but nice, and I get called an idiot.
Thanks for justifying why most of us ignore you.
I’ll return to that habit.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 10:29 am #
I read #71 as promoting Obie by Virtue™ not by his actual words or deeds, and that this condition itself needn’t succumb to a rationale.
I still think it should be bottled and sold. thor is a reasonable, independent, libertarian, smokeless black powdering, capitalist jeenus, so that too.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 10:32 am #
Really, Mr. Pink. At one point, before thor’s descent into Obama erotica madness, he used to make a point or two. Now, it’s just full on contrarian, “look I can call people who disagree with me, hicks” weirdness. He’s believed his own “plan” too much and now he’s a victim of it.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:33 am #
Russia, the Motherland, how I do love thee.
Unless you’ve felt the thrill, the rush, unless you tested your stamina by shooting hard and often deep inside, unless you’ve heard to glorious words “you Americans ravaged my country and now you want to fuck me” just prior to planting the stars and stripes where it had never been before, you, Bmoe, will never understand nor appreciate my wide range of emotional ties to the Siberian beast.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:34 am #
to = those
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 10:34 am #
No foul OI, and no offense taken…
Besides, a sharp rock to the noggin’ might be good for stress relief; especially after reading the news!
Be Cool!
Comment by DrSteve on 7/8 @ 10:36 am #
thor, it looks like Glenn Greenwald (see today’s column) needs some explaining from you how this is all A-OK. Jerry Nadler, too, by the looks of it.
He is not the One you were waiting for!
And my sincere condolences to you and your family. I wish I could tell you it improves with time but it doesn’t.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:39 am #
I don’t want to understand nor appreciate your wide range of emo bullshit at all, thor.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:39 am #
“Your political views.” Language. Intent. All that.
Obama is doing a fine job so far. Cry yourself to sleep over it. I couldn’t care less. Leave it at that.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:40 am #
What I am asking, thor, is what is your opinion of Mr. King Hell Diplomat yucking it up and thanking Russia for the sweet deal on Alaska?
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:41 am #
pathetic.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 7/8 @ 10:42 am #
It’s not like Obama went around telling the world Saddam had WMDs. Hahaha.
Thousands of dead Kurds and Iranians could not be reached for comment.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:43 am #
But, a what wonderful defense of Obama’s performance. YOu should get a job on MSNBC. “Obama’s doing a fine job” … I mean, that is just fucking profound.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 10:44 am #
Gleens and FDL beat Obie-politik senseless over money, debt, and disclosure these past few six months, as well they should. Probably thor loves Obie because thor’s online persona owns stock in Goldman Sachs.
CLEVELAND!
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:44 am #
You’d think that since I’m such an idiot, Thor would have no problem defending Obama to me.
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 10:45 am #
Never clearly got the Russian beef with the US, Thor’s fancies aside.
A fair amount of sailors went down on these convoys to the RODINA, and whatsmore, the reason they were able to strike back so hard at Stalingrad and Kursk is US made trucks, food, socks, radios, radar, refined chemicals, oil, bullets and so forth; all the stuff they didnt really have in 1942-43. Came in handy, I’ll warrant.
Comment by sdferr on 7/8 @ 10:45 am #
WSJ:
Henry Waxman would be down with bringing the grid to its knees. Obama, on the other hand, probably not so much. Someone might get hurt.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:46 am #
You should pack your guitar. Music is the great uniter. Moscow rocks like a methamphetamine bitch.
What do you have against blond chicks with foreign accents who enjoy a good fucking? You would do well by your country to visit the Motherland. Jump in, the culture is fine.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:50 am #
I hear echoes of the Chinese claiming we did well in Iraq only because of those plastic-eey Chinese-made seat covers in our American humvees.
Same logic.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 10:51 am #
Yeah Obama is doing a great job thor and you should trust him. Here is a short list of bullshit that can be compiled with a simple google search.
This one makes me laugh. “I have worked to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how their tax dollars are spent.”
“Here’s what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime’s worth of tax increase.” I guess only people that make over 250 thousand dollars a year smoke, drink, buy gas, heat their homes, or very soon have their employers give them health care benefits.
“Is this money well spent? This is taxpayer money, it is going to be adding to the deficit short term and if we can’t justify it, then we’re not going to spend tens or hundreds of billions of dollars, just to make somebody happy, if it’s not good for the economy.” How is that stimulus working out?
“I don’t take a dime of their [lobbyist] money, and when I am president, they won’t find a job in my White House.” Hhahahahahah he violated that in his first week.
“When George Bush came into office, we had surpluses. And now we have half-a-trillion-dollar deficit annually. When George Bush came into office, our national debt was around $5 trillion. It’s now over $10 trillion. We’ve almost doubled it.” And what is Obama’s solution to his critique of Bush??? Why let’s fuckin quadruple the deficit. If that statement is not shameless hypocricy for political gain then I do not know what is. If only we could go back to half a trillion dollar a year deficits this jackass wants 3 trillion dollar a year ones.
“I can no more disown Rev. Wright than I can my own grandmother.” That one is my favorite.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 10:57 am #
How about Obama’s geniuses promising that unemployment wouldn’t go above 8% if they passed the stimulus plan?
I know I’m an idiot, thor, but I think 9.4 is above 8%.
Comment by maggie katzen on 7/8 @ 11:00 am #
I dunno Carin, does 100-52 equal 45 or 48?
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 11:00 am #
Good observation mcgruder,
It seems like taht mindset is very similar to Obama’s inability to credit the US and it’s allies with bringing about an end to the cold war either…
http://tiny.cc/b4FgW
Yeah, the US military, Soviet dissenters-many of whom rotted in gulags, Ronakd Reagan’s military build-up and SDI vision that essentially broke the Soviets piggy-bank trying to keep up; None of that! had anything to do with ending the cold war…
It was the Russians who did it all! Just like in WWII !
Comment by DrSteve on 7/8 @ 11:01 am #
Oh hell, I’ll pile on: “Under my plan, if you like your health care coverage you can keep it.”
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 11:04 am #
Math is awfully hard Maggie. I’ll have to get out my calculator.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 11:05 am #
How ’bout Obama’s flip/flop on taxing health care benefits?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 11:05 am #
Let me help you out Carin, this is part Obama’s doomsday speech if we did not pass his fuckin stimulus which noone read.
“I don’t believe it’s too late to change course, but it will be if we don’t take dramatic action as soon as possible. If nothing is done, this recession could linger for years. The unemployment rate could reach double digits. Our economy could fall $1 trillion short of its full capacity, which translates into more than $12,000 in lost income for a family of four.”
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 11:11 am #
“Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:46 am #
What do you have against blond chicks with foreign accents who enjoy a good fucking?”
As if you’d know, liar.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 11:13 am #
“#
Comment by maggie katzen on 7/8 @ 11:00 am #
I know I’m an idiot, thor, but I think 9.4 is above 8%.
I dunno Carin, does 100-52 equal 45 or 48?”
Oooo, I know: smokeless black powder.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 11:15 am #
COLUMBUS!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 11:16 am #
It’s a well known fact that thor is a liar.
Comment by Pablo on 7/8 @ 11:17 am #
Yeah, you can tell by his -5 approval index.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 11:19 am #
“Yeah, you can tell by his -5 approval index.”
Down 2 points in one day.
Great job there, Obamy!
Comment by Brett on 7/8 @ 11:21 am #
“Progressivism! Is there anything it can’t do?”
It can’t tell the truth, and it can’t respect individual rights.
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 11:24 am #
You know what I haven’t heard in a while ? Those predictions about Rethuglians wandering in the desert for the next forty years.
I wonder why that is?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/8 @ 11:24 am #
106
Sorry Pablo but thor is living in happy land with alot of fellow travelers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/indexes/partisan_economics_democrats_gop_see_different_economy
The economy is great now thanks O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 11:48 am #
OT, but has anyone heard of this before today?
I just thought it odd this hasn’t been reported before now.
Comment by Danger on 7/8 @ 11:57 am #
More for the dog pile:
How about his plan requiring injured vets to utilize their private health insurance for medical care
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 11:59 am #
Fail Thor. Epic fail in fact.
As a grad student writing my masters thesis, I spent time at Fort Meade in 98-99 when they declassified all the US attache assesments from 1942-43..these were US officers attached to US embassy in Moscow whose job was to liaise with Red Army over questions of material and supplies.
Their analysis of Russian combat experience, based on real-time interviews and conversations with Red Army officers, was that supplies and food were a very big factor in remarkable turnaround in Russian efficacy. Example: Prior to Stalingrad, the Russians lost about 6-7 men KIA for every German; after Stalingrad, that dropped to 2-3 where it remained until German surrender. This was result of two things: The Germans got their best and most experienced soldiers killed and wounded critically to the point where they were not able to replace them, and the Russians finally had the supplies and morale to sustain offensive operations for an extended period of time.
Fortunately, i also was able to access the captured Gehlen org. documents (German military intelligence) which confirmed same, also at Fort Meade.
Ivan would have won regardless of US socks, Dinty Moore stew and gasoline. It just would have been in 1946 and cost an additional 2 million dead or so.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 12:20 pm #
As long as you’re into dreamy hypotheticals, how many millions of Americans do you think would have died if Hitler was Canadian and had the same military strength invading America as when he invaded Russia?
Let’s speculate with American blood and guts versus Russian. Maybe it’ll help you put a human face on those people, who were evil people, all Russians are evil, as you know, and all ‘tooopid too, not smart like Carin and the bunny woman, Maggie.
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 12:25 pm #
I would add to the pile Obamas reaction to events in Honduras.
Comment by royf on 7/8 @ 12:37 pm #
Still zero signs of Ogabe’s supposedly superior intellect.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 12:38 pm #
Then he wouldn’t have been Canadian, dolt. Meaning that had Hitler been Canadian and had Hitler that strength, the US would have been profoundly different going into the Thirties and would have been profoundly different going back a hundred fifty years prior.
You’re amazing. That hic-schtick is stultifying.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 12:40 pm #
Is #115 dreamily hypothetical, thor?
Go get some help. Finally. Really.
Comment by DrSteve on 7/8 @ 12:44 pm #
Maybe it’ll help you put a human face on those people, who were evil people, all Russians are evil, as you know
I must have missed the efforts of those advancing this argument here. What are you on about?
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 1:00 pm #
Thor, see the thing is this: its not a dreamy hypothetical. It really happened, in the way that Tuesday just happened. Everything I just told you were the statements of Russian officers to their US counterparts or German intelligence analyses…of why they were losing the fucking war. See, they concluded that the swag from U.S. was a real helping hand. Saved lives, kept the guys who bore the brunt of German war aims warm and fed, that sort of thing.
What’s dreamy and hypothetical is your keen metaphor, the Canadian line. What’s even better is the premise underlying your triple-A rated comeback: that it didnt happen. Cool.
I have just now spend some time on Amazon.com and E-Bay and I don’t see what you seem to have, which is this amazing projection machine, enabling you to assume and divert mental and emotional resources to issues and dilemma’s that have no grounding in reason. Slick though. Coming up with an organic and thoroughly imaginary American civilian hatred for their Russian counterparts. My two teens are always texting about going to Kiev and getting them some Ukranian scalps, never shut the f-ck about it on facebook either. Its always, “Dad, How long could it take US armor to get from Bavaria to the Dnieper-Oder line?” Probably your kids too, eh?
None of which takes away from the original question, which is why the Russkies seem to have some latent beef with us?
Comment by DrSteve on 7/8 @ 1:18 pm #
None of which takes away from the original question, which is why the Russkies seem to have some latent beef with us?
Because the propaganda organs changed ownership but kept the old mission statements?
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 1:27 pm #
Steve MD, yes.
I brought the war bit up because that whole chapter resonates deeply with their public. The Soviet elites pulled their hair out over the fact that they could not manufacture hatred for the American people.
In contrast, the western europeans masses tend to think of us as retarded lard asses, unable to distinguish between a fart and a thunder crack, save for issues pertaining to money. in other words, they see us as Thor sees us, save for the money bit.
NB–we are sadly a rather fat people, but thats a different issue.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 1:32 pm #
“NB–we are sadly a rather fat people, but thats a different issue.”
mcgruder,
You never know, the way O!&Co are heading they may just make Bally’s memberships another entitlement…
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 1:41 pm #
mcgruder, we have a lot of experience with thor. He’s something of a master of the ad hominem; you can tell he’s feeling insecure about something when he starts spraying crap around, usually about queers.
thor had the eye-opening experience of dealing one-on-one with Russians. Many of us — even some here — have had the same or similar experience(s), but thor is above all a self-important narcissist; those of us who came away with an even slightly variant set of conclusions do not agree with him, and therefore must be fools.
As to why they have “…some latent beef with us…”, it’s the same as with anybody else in the world: our system works better, imperfect as it is. I am old enough to remember watching Kruschev on TV, banging his shoe on the UN podium and promising to “bury you!” Unlike many people, I also recall the context — Nikita wasn’t threatening military overthrow or anything resembling it; he was claiming that the Russian (Soviet, then) system would succeed beyond its own wildest dreams, bringing plenty to all — they would bury us in consumer goods and the other products of Soviet industry and commerce. Precisely the opposite happened, of course. The American military is parasitic upon its consumer-goods industries; the Soviet consumer-goods industries were parasitic upon the military, and the result was economic stagnation waiting for Reagan-era tactics to give it the final push. Russians may know that in an intellectual sense; but they lived under the Soviet system well beyond the lifetime of anyone currently active, that is what they remember from school, and consciously or unconsciously that is what forms the basis of their expectations. That system is what is supposed to work, and when it does not they have no way to reach an accord with that on an emotional level. Therefore they (and thor, who has formed a bond with those elements of Russian society most likely to feel that way) end up feeling envious and put-down, and respond in all the usual ways.
It’s really no different from European jealousy. The damned Americans are low-class scum who ran away from their duties and responsibilities so long ago, and the rational expectation of European classists was that they would naturally fail — mere peasants and manual laborers could not, absolutely could not, even support themselves, let alone succeed, without the wise guidance of their betters. It didn’t work that way, and the Europeans are still smarting from it. Shows, too.
In the Russian case, it doesn’t help that they sometimes feel (justifiably, in many instances) that their contributions have been ignored. It’s not just WWII, either. The Rus took the real brunt of the invasions of the steppes tribes, reducing the impact on Europe — and it cost them horribly, not just in lost economic growth but in decimation of the economically active population and being forced to at least partially assimilate the invaders. It’s not an accident that the word for the beloved homeland, the rodina, shares a root with narod, which can best be translated as “screwed” in modern English usage.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 1:42 pm #
More like a requirement…
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 1:45 pm #
My imagination isn’t that good. How many Russians and Europeans come to help us in your imagination?
Supposedly, one of the reasons is they are really fucking sore about losing Alaska like they did, but nobody seems to want to talk about that just now.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 1:47 pm #
I would have really loved to have seen what SCTV could have done with the idea of Hitler being Canadian. It makes me lol just to think about it.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 1:51 pm #
Well, considering the sheer size of Canada, the whole lebensraum argument wouldn’t have been viable…
And who would have been his societal bogeymen? The Eskimos? Would there have been a night of the long harpoons? Wolf-packs of Kayaks?
I especially liked your question as to how many Soviets and Europeans would have come to help us…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 1:54 pm #
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 12:20 pm #
Poor thor, he gets cockslapped with reality, with facts, from mcgruder, so he starts lying.
Great SOP you got there, you inbred mouth breather.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 1:56 pm #
“Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 1:00 pm #
Thor, see the thing is this: its not a dreamy hypothetical. It really happened, in the way that Tuesday just happened. Everything I just told you were the statements of Russian officers to their US counterparts or German intelligence analyses…of why they were losing the fucking war. ”
shorter thor: LOOK! RUSSIAN HOOKERS!!!!! I BANG THEM!!!!!!!
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 1:56 pm #
But, mcgruder and Ric. Thor has fucked russian whores! And, presumably drank Vodka from their navals. Don’t you get it? He knows things.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 1:56 pm #
The guessing occurred, certainly.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/8 @ 1:57 pm #
BTW, the drinking vodka from their navals does put him in some pretty good company.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 1:59 pm #
shorter P’brain: Semper Fuck Me!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:02 pm #
“#Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 1:47 pm #
I would have really loved to have seen what SCTV could have done with the idea of Hitler being Canadian. It makes me lol just to think about it.”
Tiny little mustache, no front teeth.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:04 pm #
“#
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 1:59 pm #
Semper Fuck Me!”
In your dreams, maybe, but I don’t swing that way, like you.
Mouth breathing moron.
Oh. And you’re still not food enough to lick the sand from my sons, boots, liar.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:05 pm #
good enough….
PIMF
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:05 pm #
Everyone here knows that thor is a proven liar, right?
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 2:09 pm #
B Moe, the reason Alaska is a sensitive issue is because their loss of it was and remains a symptom of weakness.
Russians are very, very, very sensitive to feelings of weakness. It makes sense that they should feel that way — they really were weak, in fact well-nigh helpless, against the Kazakhs, the Mongols, and the other steppe tribes, and somewhere in the heart of every patriotic Russian is the solemn resolve, “never again!” That’s where the paranoia that everyone who’s dealt with Russians remarks on comes from. WWII just reinforced the lesson.
Unfortunately the conclusions gained from the lesson, and the resulting policies, have a strong tendency to be irritating to the neighbors and therefore counterproductive. It’s a pity.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 2:12 pm #
The same old my-pet-gerbil-poops-red-roses ad hominem from Mr. Locke. Gerbils are filthy rodents, which shares the same root as rodina, and Rod Stewart, who once had his stomach pumped, and do you know why!
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 2:19 pm #
Russia’s loss was our gain. Too bad we did not buy Greenland when we had the chance. It will be prime when Global Warming finally gets here. We could put Al Gore there to wait for it.
He could be like these guys.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:19 pm #
Ah, the return of coprophiliac thor.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:20 pm #
Everyone here knows that thor is a proven liar,as well as a coprophiliac, right?
Comment by Joe on 7/8 @ 2:20 pm #
thor, your people need you.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 2:22 pm #
I would never limit myself to simply fucking whores. Twin sisters, blonds, straight American-looking big white teeth, both virgins, over just another market rental? Surely you jest, else you take me for a blind rethuglidummish fool!
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 2:22 pm #
Tell you what, thor, I can’t be bothered. Why don’t you look up your last twenty comments in chronological order, post them in the Pub, and determine the ratio of gratuitous insult + schoolyard scatololgy to substantive contribution? It might well be an eye-opener.
The single most amusing thing about you is your consistent declarations that you admire Russians on the ground that it’s so much fun to screw them. The Romans (who gave us the word “slave” as an adaptation of “Slav”) and the Great Khan would have thought that highly amusing.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 2:23 pm #
thor,
I’m curious why you discount mcgruders research, using actual historical documents, as phony and competely dismiss it out of hand. The US documents were based on interviews with Soviet officers; and astoundingly they agree with the contemporary German intelligence analysts.
Do you think the Soviet officers were somehow sucking up to their American counterparts? This kind of defies the ordinarily proud nature of the Soviets, the Russians in particular…
“This was result of two things: The Germans got their best and most experienced soldiers killed and wounded critically to the point where they were not able to replace them, and the Russians finally had the supplies and morale to sustain offensive operations for an extended period of time.”
I personally think that this statement by mcgruder comes about as close as possible to succinctly explaining a very complex matter of history; that being how the Soviets were able to turn the tables on the Germans at Stalingrad and after…
Although I still disagree with your Soviet-centric view of the Nazi’s defeat, and the idea of “who won” WWII, I must agree that mcgruders points have merit…
How about we have some ideological detente here?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:28 pm #
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 2:22 pm #
Everyone here knows that thor is a proven liar, as well as a coprophiliac,
right?
And a liar?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 2:29 pm #
Bob, I keep telling you, you can be nice to thor, but someday he’ll turn on you like the rabid weasel he is.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 2:31 pm #
I predict “Rethuglians” will be wandering in the desert for the next forty years, mostly mumbling “must find Sarah Palin’s political future, must find Sarah Palin’s political future…”
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 2:34 pm #
Oh, I like #146, I really do…
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 2:42 pm #
Bob, it is a simple fact that a lot of the US-centric notions of how the war went are simply wrong.
The Germans had better gear, better-trained soldiers, and the advantages of the interior position; they had already placed their industry on a war footing (the treaty with Stalin allowed them space to do that) and organized their military forces. None of the Europeans had done any of that, and the US certainly had not; the Russians tried to, but didn’t have the industrial strength to accomplish the needed actions (which is one big reason Stalin signed the damn treaty).
Now, Germany is a small country and the people they wanted to blow away were much larger; but they had an answer to that — blitzkrieg, “lightning war”, get it over with while their advantages were overwhelming. The only reason it didn’t work was because the Allies were able to hold in a couple of critical places, allowing them to spin up to the conditions necessary to defend successfully.
American manpower was important but not really decisive; Russian manpower was much more important, but still not sufficient. What happened was, American industry got itself in gear to provide war materiél and worked overtime to provide it, and the Russians threw manpower at the problem. It took both to win. If the Russians hadn’t soaked up German soldiers, we couldn’t have gotten enough stuff across the pond to accomplish much; if we hadn’t thrown millions of tons of stuff across the pond, the Russian sacrifices would have been in vain.
But memories of death and dying are much stronger and more lasting than those of cranking out P39s and Jeeps in a factory, so the Russians tend to have a much greater emotional reaction — it’s personal, understandably so.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 2:42 pm #
Yeah N O’Brain,
thor has raked me pretty hard during some of our past exchanges. I just fall back on the idea that I can argue without being simply argumentative; that I can disagree without being disagreeable…
Over the years I’ve seved with some pretty hard assed guys; one’s who would respond to a hearty hello! with a string of insults that would, well, amke most grizzled sailors blush. The same is true for edo’s; I mean you see some real swell heads amongst the NAVAIR cadre-it goes with the territory.
So, regardless of the how many times thor has told me I’m essentially a racist, a charge that at once rankles and amuses me, or whatever, I’ll still try to have a dialogue; because otherwise our beloved PW degenerates into an echo chamber like HuffPO, DU, and Kos…
I guess it’s just the principle of the whole matter to me. But at the same time, I recognize your, and many of the other members of the commentariats, frustration and anger over the bitter exchanges of the past…
I guess what I really don’t understand is how a once valued member of the PW crew could become so stigmatized and such a pariah…
Even guys whose personalities I despised flew as my wingman, and I their’s. I guess that’s just where I’m coming from…
Best To you and yours,
Tell Matt to take the 8th and I gig, for sure!
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 7/8 @ 2:45 pm #
And once again it’s an “all about thor” thread.
I guess PW is all he’s got to get the attention he craves.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 2:48 pm #
Ric,
Your # 152 should preface many history books sections on WWII…
Indeed, Cliff notes should pay you for that one!
Excellent as always,
I hope that things are going well for you and yours these days deep in the heart of Texas…
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 3:07 pm #
That’s what I like about you, Ric, after I jam the cattle prod into ya ya sometimes get with the pogrom.
Now, if you’d like to post the responses to my last 20 posts in the pub I think you’ll discover some extraordinary albeit consistent nuance.
Russian chicks, who doesn’t love ‘em. And what the hell is so wrong about declaring their collective greatness publicly?
If Bmoe flew wingman with me in Moscow he’d come back fartin’ the sweet smell of deflowered women in A-major.
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 3:09 pm #
In related news, Lindsey Graham is a silly one, no?
I must say though, he’s of a piece with the other 99 august, or augean, leaders of the world’s greatest deliberative body.
he cannot be bothered legislating or providing leadership on how to prevent the circumstances that led to the matter at hand, 9-11, GWOT et. al, so, well, there’s always some TV booking to be had from shooting at a departed adminastration.
We are not blessed by the likes of Graham, but then again, he is much better than the alternative.
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/8 @ 3:10 pm #
You are a sad, pathetic little man, thor. I don’t know when I’ve seen a more degraded person than you.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 3:11 pm #
I’m thor and you’re not. It’s been awhile since I had to remind a PW’er that. Feels good.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 3:11 pm #
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 3:07 pm #
[more self-congratulatory drivel]
The Russians got screwed by the Romans.
The Russians got screwed by the Mongols.
The Russians got screwed by the French (!)
The Russians got screwed by the Germans.
Now thor tells us how great it is to screw Russians.
Fun, that.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Carin on 7/8 @ 3:12 pm #
And once again it’s an “all about thor” thread.
Well, Mark, since he’s the only Obama voter here, there is always that smallest of smallest hope that perhaps he could offer something other than “He’s the man” and “you dumbfuck rethuglians … bla bla bla” You’ll not I asked him. He gave his standard response. But, it rankles.
I guess what I really don’t understand is how a once valued member of the PW crew could become so stigmatized and such a pariah
He’s earned it. Over time.
Tell you what, thor, I can’t be bothered. Why don’t you look up your last twenty comments in chronological order, post them in the Pub, and determine the ratio of gratuitous insult + schoolyard scatololgy to substantive contribution? It might well be an eye-opener.
Yes, Bravo Ric. 146 is a gem.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 3:14 pm #
Lindsey Graham kicks Ace. He’s a wee too mavericky for the self-claiming mavericks, granted.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 3:24 pm #
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 3:26 pm #
thor,
See my #53, re:Graham…
More like Lindsay graham is an Ace…Going with your phonetic play on words of course…
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 3:30 pm #
And others never tire of offering up the America-is-teh-cause-of-all-teh-worlds-problems mantra.
Like the One! you voted for.
Personally I would rather the leader of the nation be of the former category…national interests and all that.
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/8 @ 3:32 pm #
OK, fair enough…
I understand the Eagles analogy…
But, you know, I never get tired of hearing Chuck Berry’s, “Living in the USA”!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 3:54 pm #
“I don’t discount it out of hand. I can fashion an opposing narrative from research and historical documents as well,”
No you can’t, liar.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 3:57 pm #
“This what-is-truth debate begins with the Greeks, and I just don’t have the time for the Socratic right now.”
See?
Everyone knows that thor is a liar, do they not?
Comment by Danger on 7/8 @ 4:02 pm #
“Bob, I keep telling you, you can be nice to thor, but someday he’ll turn on you like the rabid weasel he is.”
Not to answer for Bob (cause that would be like singing in Josh Groban’s place) but reaching out to a lost soul is what were supposed to do. What is the worst thing he can do, call be a bad name. Brother please! He doesn’t even know me. Any profane comments he makes say much more about him than me. Besides I find great pleasure in seeing the PW squad using him and the other trolls for batting practice. Someday Thor will have to grow up and take responsibility for his actions and hopefully he will realize conservative values and morals are what allow all of us the ability to excel in life.
Comment by JHo on 7/8 @ 4:35 pm #
Yet you’ve been in the thread all day, befouling it. All day.
Take this as an invitation to go all Socratic the next time you post. Given your stream-of-consciousness single entry in The Pub, I’m sure we can be patient while you get this next one really right. See, your life is built around a single, self-important point masquerading as an epiphany. And it is so trite by now. So do take the time this next go, will you? Go on. I’ve been asking for what, months?
The more you talk, the more you expose. I’ve revised my initial opinion of you down by twenty years, thirty IQ points, and a gallon of courage.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/8 @ 4:36 pm #
“Thor will have to grow up and take responsibility for his actions …”
No he won’t, he’ll be murdered by someone’s jeolous gay lover.
Comment by Celtic Dragon on 7/8 @ 4:41 pm #
Thor’s (stop using that name, tool!) less use at cluebat practice than some of the other trolls that have infested PW. While he does occasionally have a point, it’s usually drowned out by his screeching moonbat hatred of anything that smacks of conservatism, his faux titan of finance persona, his obsession with scatology, and his Russian fetish.
Useless really…
Comment by Danger on 7/8 @ 5:11 pm #
I hear ya CD but I wonder why he keeps coming back. Must be some repressed part of his personality is trying to break free.
Or N.O’Brain is right and he is looking for(the wrong kind of) love in all the wrong places ;)
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 5:41 pm #
It doesn’t fit his constructed reality so it can’t be true. He betrays his progressivism when he continually takes this anti-scientific approach.
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 6:12 pm #
Thor, actually you can’t fashion another opposing viewpoint on this. There isn’t one to be had.
Its not, as Ric Locke ably laid out, a question of differing interpretations over history (the USSr’s 20mm plus dead quite deservedly informs much of their worldview, just as the massive losses of the western Front still resonate with UK-French people); its a plain fact.
The German military intelligence organization run by Reinhard Gehlen (the fellow whose networks of several hundred Russian spies and German operatives/analysts became our chief USSR eyes and ears starting the second week of May 1945) concluded that our shipments of material were a decisive factor in the growing lethality and potency of Russian forces in the early winter of 1943. At the same time, US military attaches were being informed of the same thing…By the russians.
Got that? The Russians thought that without radios (that worked), gasoline, medicines and canned meats, sugar, tobacco and milk, they might have had a lot harder time pulling off what they pulled off.
Thats not a debate boomer, and it seems a dubious conspiracy.
maybe that does or does not tie in to my confusion over why Russia still foments some moderate antagonism our way, but have a real fine time at Fort Meade proving me wrong.
But Thor, I TOTALLY beleive you on your sex tours/adventures of Russia. I bet they stack the women two deep along the Inner ring road, heaving slavic tits at the ready, for when you show up. Because guys who talk about the amount of deflowering they do–you get virgins too, natch!–always are really having a lot of consensual sex. Of course, thats after a day of heady international business negotiations, surely resolved favorably for the accounts of Thor Ltd, Road Town, BVI.
Its a fact. I read it on the internet.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 6:20 pm #
All third world whores are virgins, mcgruder. I read it in a spy novel once.
Comment by guinsPen on 7/8 @ 6:22 pm #
I wonder why he keeps coming back.
Comment by LTC John on 7/8 @ 7:09 pm #
#154 – and it worked, because enough people will end up truning the thread into just that. I rather thought the thread was about Gitmo’s fierce moral urgency of change and Sen Graham losing his lithium again.
Comment by cynn on 7/8 @ 8:10 pm #
I re-read most of the Constitution today, and I don’t see any reference to the Unitary Executive, or the Executive’s option to hold unconvicted criminals indefinitely. Obama should be ashamed; he was cowed by the daybed swooners in the DoD.
Comment by cynn on 7/8 @ 8:13 pm #
Well, that wasn’t right. One is an unconvicted suspect, not a criminal. Sorry, brown terrorists!
Comment by Rusty on 7/8 @ 8:20 pm #
#179
I agree cynn. They should have been executed where they were found.
Comment by cynn on 7/8 @ 8:26 pm #
You may have a point there, Rusty. Would have eliminated many dilemmas that Obama finds himself steeped in.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 9:20 pm #
What about illegal enemy combatants? Any mention of those?
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:20 pm #
Just so you understand why I’m about to call you a fuckhead: you don’t know anything about me, jackass, nor who I was employed by nor why I lived and worked in Moscow for close to three years. I don’t give a fuck about your thesis paper, nor how accurate you think it to be, though I would agree some of what you’re touting is the topical consensus view.
The wet end of my dick knows more about Russia than you, fuckface. That’s what I honestly think.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 9:50 pm #
Exactly. Which is why it is so fucking retarded for you to try to argue from a position of authority.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 9:57 pm #
If it comes down to actual whores then I’d like to acquire a roomful of the top French variety first and foremost. French bitches are so, so utterly fashionably hot, and their hats! Maybe I’ll learn a bit of the Cuban-class of Chekhov’s fallen angels, who I hear are compare favorably with highly marketable Colombian and Argentinian flesh. I’m into discovery, and, as you know, all the hot chicks dig Jacques Cousteau and Conquistadors with big swords.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:02 pm #
How boring the Constitution – I read your mind.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:05 pm #
Probably not.
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:13 pm #
By the way, mcgruder, it’s to those towns on the outer ring road where the pimps take dicktards like you for your little sex tours, just so you get your ring roads straight next time.
Weenie-fied American Boy Scouts and their guilt-riddled machinations of pure and sexually driven Russian dyevs, it’s enough to make any Russophile barf in their borscht.
To The Finland Station! Bmoe, I’m taking you home, son. To the untamed land! The Motherland!
Comment by thor on 7/8 @ 10:19 pm #
Is your gay lover the jealous type, is that what you’re trying to say?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/9 @ 4:28 am #
“Just so you understand why I’m about to call you a fuckhead: you don’t know anything about me, jackass,…”
Yes we do.
You’re a liar, a coporaphiliac, a braggart, one with nothing to back it up, unlettered in history and economics, a liar, and a sociopath with the personality of a rabid rattlesnake and the soul of an NKVD torturer.
And a liar. A proven liar.
So, yeah, whore, we know lots about you.
Now why don’t you improve the human genetic heritage and go kill yourself?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/9 @ 4:29 am #
Oh, and you project a lot.
Freud would have loved to talk to you about that.
Comment by B Moe on 7/9 @ 6:03 am #
Don’t sugar coat it, N O’Brain, tell us what you really think.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/9 @ 8:02 am #
The Russians got screwed by the Romans.
The Russians got screwed by the Mongols.
The Russians got screwed by the French (!)
The Russians got screwed by the Germans.
Oh, and I forgot the Chinese the first time through. They’d go in there twice — once as assistants to the Golden Horde, and in their own right just between the French and the Germans.
Now thor tells us how great it is to screw Russians.
Fun, that. The narodniy of my acquaintance wouldn’t find it quite so amusing.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by JHo on 7/9 @ 8:44 am #
But I question your very authenticity, Ric.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/9 @ 9:31 am #
Which bothers me not at all, JHo.
I’m sort of thor-ish that way.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Sam Hall on 7/9 @ 9:56 am #
thor uses the word hick like a closeted homosexual uses the word fag. And for the same reason, since he is obviously a callow, uncultered oaf. Living outside of the US doesn’t change that in any way.
Comment by Rusty on 7/9 @ 6:46 pm #
#198
The fools life is one big projection.
Comment by B Moe on 7/9 @ 9:03 pm #
They call them retro-bush deniers now. What I heard.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 7/10 @ 1:52 pm #
I think you missed where the Russians screwed the Russians in that list, Ric.
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