Re: Darleen of yesterday, at NRO Mark Steyn concludes a short comment about Palin’s exit in most excellent form. Consider that last paragraph; give a wry holiday h/t to Reynolds.
From the link, an excerpt about the state of approved thought and how we elect by the principles of tolerant liberal diversity:
…nobody said it would mean a mainstream network comedy host doing statutory rape gags about your 14-year old daughter. You’ve got a special-needs kid and a son in Iraq and a daughter who’s given you your first grandchild in less than ideal circumstances. That would be enough for most of us. But the special-needs kid and the daughter and most everyone else you love are a national joke, and the PC enforcers are entirely cool with it.
Comment by Paul Moore on 7/4 @ 8:54 am #
I keep remembering Yeats- “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity.” Sad to say, but I fear it’s true. Palin made a choice between protecting her loved ones and taking a long shot at high office. At least she is free to speak her mind now. I hope she does.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 9:02 am #
I think Mark Steyn is correct (damn he is usually spot on isn’t he). I think this is a big fuck you to all the media and critics, not a poltical stunt to leap into national politics.
That much said, I hope Sarah Palin stays involved. In fund raising for candidates in other races, RNC leadership, etc.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 9:06 am #
Is it all about Trig? From the left, no. They hate Sarah Palin for a host of reasons, Trig being just one. Mostly it is because she was a threat and she scared them. So they wanted to destroy her.
But what they don’t get and probably never will, is that getting out was all about Trig (and Todd, Bristol, Willow, etc.). She put her family first (Mark Sanford you might want to take notes).
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 9:31 am #
The Campaign Spot
Of course, some are immune to that by not having kids. Too bad beagles can’t be slandered. They do not care. They eat their own shit you know. Some of their owners should too.
Comment by Darleen on 7/4 @ 9:41 am #
Palin is the Anti-Sanford.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 9:46 am #
People forget that a very real argument can be made that it was very rash and very foolish for this woman to accept a slot on, of all things, Meghan’s coward daddy’s ticket. What tawdry and terrible ground on which to destroy your career and destroy your family.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 9:46 am #
Put her family first my ass.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 9:49 am #
You are still young enough to not really understand hindsight, I think.
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 9:53 am #
B Moe, I think happyfeet has a very good point in his #6, one that Palin herself may be mulling over these past few months. She trusted too easily people that she did not know.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 9:56 am #
In hindsight, yes. Who thought so at the time? I don’t recall either of you thinking it was a bad idea…
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 9:57 am #
I am sorry but I feel harsh. I listened to her speech again this morning and I find her to be insultingly insubstantial and embarrassingly buzzwordy when she attempts any substance. And the sheer and utter daffyness for her to grab the national conch and recycle a trope from that disastrous fiasco of a loser loser loser campaign (I’m not politics as usual she chirps) makes me want to knock her upside her head with a red velvet cupcake. Hey I was saving that.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 9:59 am #
of course I was supportive at the time … I was as articulate as I ccould be at the time about the horrific consequences of a dirty socialist usurpation that I defended Meghan’s coward daddy even… this woman has exacted way way way more than a pound of flesh from me … I deserve better than a shrug and an I quit.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 9:59 am #
Marketing, ‘feets, marketing.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 10:00 am #
*could* … I haven’t had coffee - I started my day with the Sarah Palin speech … I am never doing that again ever ever
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 10:02 am #
You are likely right B Moe, we form this judgement (which I do not consider harsh in the least) in hindsight, to be sure. That fact doesn’t preclude the possibility that the same judgment could have been reached before hand with adequate thought however. There is plenty of historical precedent and plenty of teaching available to enable just such an analysis.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:02 am #
As did she. How many pounds of flesh did that evil old coward take from her? All is I am saying is you are feeling like she victimized you, when you were both victimized by Meghan’s coward daddy.
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 10:03 am #
I don’t want to endorse hf’s shrug and I quit characterization quite yet, though I may in time, depending.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:06 am #
McCain’s campaign was faltering badly, we all agreed Obama had to be stopped. Palin came aboard and there was euphoria! She was the salvation!
Then McCain fucked all of us like two dollar whores, and now you guys want to blame Palin?
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 10:11 am #
I don’t want to knock her over and over again and make a thing about it. I’ll maintain a polite and judicious silence on the matter henceforth. And that is all I have to say.
You know who’s a neat guy is that Tim Pawlenty. Very nice man I think.
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 10:11 am #
I’m not blaming Palin for anything beyond an error of misplaced trust, a minor species of naivite, an all too human failing, which results in events of some harm to her own political prospects (and insofar as she may have been or yet still may be of good to the nation, to ours as well). This is no venal sin for crying out loud. It’s a simple error of perspicacity and prudence and these are the sorts of virtues we have the ability to cultivate in ourselves, though they may never reach perfection.
Comment by JHo on 7/4 @ 10:12 am #
The reason all this happened — and perhaps why ‘feet’s observation about Palin being put out for a variety of reasons is right — lies in the post below this one.
Palin would never have reformed the system. Even if McCain had won, she was only a figurehead.
Comment by Darleen on 7/4 @ 10:19 am #
hf
The ONLY reason I voted for McCain was Palin. Even if he had picked Romney I would have hesistated because McCain burned his bridges with me long ago.
Palin is NOT “politics” as usual … and I don’t blame her at all for accepting the VP slot when offered and accepting at face value that McCain was “honorable.” Whatever he is in private, he surrounds himself with awful people and if anyone is responsible for his own demise it was his campaign staff and the “leaders” of the GOP that let him take the party down in flames and attempt to shift the blame to Palin.
Maybe she is out of elective politics for good, or maybe just until her kids are older or out of the home.
Or maybe we are getting the government we deserve, where decent folk with the motivation to try and make a good difference realize that it is not worth it to them to have their families be the target of thugs.
This isn’t Hollywood… in real life Jefferson Smith/Jimmy Stewart would have been dragged from the Senate, placed in handcuffs and would be serving time in prison while Paine would have expressed “shock and sadness” at Smith’s fate and ended up as President of the Senate and later Presidential nominee.
Comment by guinsPen on 7/4 @ 10:26 am #
Today- 2:30pm - Turner Classic Movies
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 10:32 am #
I hear you Darleen but the smartest best thing now is for me to shut my fat mouf.
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 10:35 am #
There is an inherent contradiction lurking behind our ability to see McCain for what he is prior to Palin’s acceptance of his offer and our blithe dismissal of her decision to “take him at face value” as honorable though Darleen, isn’t there? We formed the judgment that he is not actually all that honorable through and through, that his understanding of honorable is skewed and mistaken, yet we give Palin a pass?
That seems off to me, at least a little bit. While we know the very offer of the opportunity to run for the vice-presidency is an enormous life altering event for every single person who has received it, still, the decision whether to accept that offer or no is not written in stone. It is a decision. It can be turned down.
Think back to J. Ziegler’s taking apart Mike Allen the other day. What did they agree about? That McCain’s campaign was a disaster I think. But Ziegler correctly hounded Allen to show how that was Palin’s fault. It simply wasn’t, so far as Allen could say, and so far as I can see. She did McCain a world of good. Yet there she was, gripped in a mess not of her own making, except insofar as she had agreed to be part of it from the jump. And there, we can see how Palin herself may rue that day.
To that extent, to the extent that she herself may see an error of judgement, so may we.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:40 am #
Nobody is going to by themselves, but she could have helped.
As it is, it is really hard for me right now to not just say fuck it, the thieves can have it, the victims fucking deserve what they get. I ain’t got that much to lose any way.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 10:40 am #
Well happyfeet I’m mostly a lurker here and I do disagree with you about what Sarah is doing, But hey there is no need to feel you must shut up. Unless you feel maybe more time is needed to see exactly what she plans to do.
I think she will come out fighting like we haven’t seen before, Her speech certainly makes me think so anyway. I guess we will all see.
Comment by geoffb on 7/4 @ 10:40 am #
The “she is doing this to protect her family” interpretation of this statement is finding words and meanings that are not in there. I can only assume it is another, in a long line of poison pills injected by those who do not wish her well.
I do wish her well. Her life is one which embodies what I think/feel is the “American Spirit”. The freedom thing we are supposedly celebrating today.
If she is moving to stay out of the public spotlight, so be it. If this is a way to move politically in a way she couldn’t do as Governor, I’m fine with that too. Trust is the word. I trust her. From her statement, “Don’t explain: your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe you anyway.” . I guess that puts me in the “friend” category. I can wait, actions will speak, on all sides.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 10:43 am #
royf - that’s nice to say but Sarah Palin is a belief, not an actual real person except for JD cause he met her, and it’s a really beautiful belief that I shared for a bit and would have wished to have shared much longer but I don’t want to dissuade anyone else from their belief in her. There’s no harm in it and much good.
Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 7/4 @ 10:44 am #
Oh, JHo…….she’s done.
You missed the most important part of her errrm….speech.
She said “I prayed on the decision”.
That is the kiss of death for a presidential bid.
She could do Jesus Take the Wheel like GW did, but never in public.
You see…..Jesus is not a good driver……..he drove us into Eye-rack.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 10:44 am #
Hmmmph.
We don’t know what end result is going to come of this; speculation is cheaper’n dirt. Mark Steyn’s winning argument is winning for me now, but we.just.can’t.know. And won’t, until Sarah Palin is out of office July 26. Sarah Galt? or Barracuda unleashed? If so, Hell hath no Fury. The Anti-Obama party could easily jell around her. Good man my ass.
I do know this: there’s no one in Washington D.C. for whom I have respect. Absolutely no one. The corruption in this Republic is epidemic; it’s survival is, again, questionable.
Things just got a bit more minacious.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 10:45 am #
Nishi, fuck you with a chainsaw.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:47 am #
Idiot.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 10:47 am #
Hey Darleen and B Moe, happy feet does not seem too happy.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:47 am #
I know. I wish I could buy him a beer.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:48 am #
But I ain’t all that happy, either.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 10:48 am #
I just wanted you to know I enjoy reading your posts and I think your input is substantial.
As to Palin I see her move and speech as a declaration and acknowledgment of war, I just don’t see it as quitting, but again only time will tell.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:49 am #
We got an army of morons searching Wasilla dumpsters, trying to figure out if the Palins got a deal on a truck load of building supplies while Obama and Goldman-Sachs are stealing the fucking country.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 10:51 am #
thank you B Moe me too … I’m not super unhappy but for I spent some time discussing this at Mr. Patterico’s and they are so delicate some of them it was sort of not very much fun
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 10:55 am #
That is why I don’t hang around over there much any more. I don’t have time for delicate.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 10:57 am #
#33:
The amazing thing about O-bots like nishi is that they persist in believing that Obama is just like them, DESPITE HIS OWN STATMENTS TO THE CONTRARY.
Obama pretends to be a Christian
Obama is opposed to gay marriage
So far, the only “reforms” Obama has put in place involve stealing money from the working class and giving it to banks and car companies.
Obama isn’t in any hurry to get out of the WoT. In fact, he’s widening it to include Pockeeeeeestawwwwwwwwwn.
Obama isn’t going to close Gitmo (or if he does, it’ll just be cosmetic, with the detainees being moved to another prison).
It’s very interesting, from a psychological perspective.
I think it’s because people like nishbot and SFAG are antisocial losers. With Obama, they get a “cool kid” who ACTUALLY LIKES THEM (or claims that he does, even while he’s shitting on every belief they have).
Sad.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 10:57 am #
Also “STATEMENTS”.
Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 7/4 @ 10:58 am #
Big diff, B Moe.
Obama never said he was gonna let Jesus drive. Jesus is a pretty terrible driver, IMHO.
hahahaha!
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 10:59 am #
Anger here is misplaced. I am very disappointed in McCain and his lack of support for Palin, but a coward? McCain did enough in Veitnam to deserve not being called that. Mac is old and done. I not upset with Palin. I am sure this is about putting her family first. But the critics of the left? Yeah I am angry about them.
Comment by Darleen on 7/4 @ 11:00 am #
Trust is the word. I trust her.
I do, too. It is my nature to trust first any person I meet and nothing of what I know of Sarah Palin makes me mistrust her. She has done nothing I am aware of that is an act of betrayl. She stated she would release more info later so I’m willing to wait.
Has Palin stumbled, sometimes badly? Yes. And those stumbles are her responsibility even as they arose out of her personal convictions (same as mine) that we take strangers at face value and give them the benefit of a doubt they will treat you as you treat them. Growing up as a fiercely independent, confident woman who could make stuff happen through her own will and talents in a part of the country far removed (by both physical distance and culture) from the cynical, nihilistic urban “power” centers of the elite coastal areas of the lower 48, she may have understood theoritically the buzzsaws she was facing but may have not internalized just how really vicious and, more importantly, dishonest she would be treated — not only by the “opposition”, which she would have expected, but by those ostensibly on her side. et tu McCain staffers?
She really was to be Jefferson Smith in the first part of the movie … the fresh-faced, open, eager reformer presented invigorate the dispirited Republican base hostile to McCain. But just like Smith, she was also perceived by McCain camp to be a “country bumpkin” that would be easy to manipulate, mold and control.
Comment by chasing waterfalls on 7/4 @ 11:01 am #
Hey, I empathize (Baracky would be proud) w/ hf’s frustration. I think he is a favorite among us - so no need to shut your mouth, fella. As I said in a previous thread, I feel an instinctual kinship with Palin that I don’t with very many politicians. However, perhaps this entire episode underscores my own frustration with being governed so hard and increasingly harshly from the national level. How the hell are we SUPPOSED to know who any of these freaks really are? The closer to home you are governed, the better. ALWAYS. With Palin, it was still fairly easy (if you looked beyond the sneering at small town/middle america), to see who and where she came from and it spoke volumes for who she was - for a national leader. Many of us (well, I do anyway) know that world and so tended to trust her.
I read a discussion about Tim Pawlenty (my governor) on another site - and over and over he was brushed aside as a future presidential leader for the most banal of reasons: milquetoast, white bread, boring, blah, blah, blah. Why do we have to fall for this need for rock stars to rock our world? Why can’t we demand close-to-home leadership by intelligent, serious, hardworking people who know and care about the communities we live in? Who gives a shite about their charismatic personalities. I want them with aching backs because they are working so hard on my dime. In fact, despite departing from my view on some issues, I find Pawlenty to be a serious, hardworking public servant. I felt the same way about Norm Coleman. He deserved to keep his job. He proved himself locally as an excellent, excellent mayor of St. Paul. I will say again - NOT ONE of these national leaders will be our saviours, and they shouldn’t be. They shouldn’t have enough power to be in the first place. I really don’t care that Barack has Michael Jackson on his Ipod. I just want him and all his comrades out of power.
Comment by Danger on 7/4 @ 11:03 am #
“You know who’s a neat guy is that Tim Pawlenty. Very nice man I think.”
Feets,
I don’t think a nice man is what we need right now. I thnk it is time to bring out someone who the left fears and can’t intimidate or impeach.
Yeah I am talking about Big Senator Fred. I would pay BIG money to see an Obama/Thompson Debate.
Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 7/4 @ 11:04 am #
Obama is doing everything EXACTLY right!
hahaha
From the Cairo speech to the humiliating and sacking of the bioluddites from the Bioethics Council and empowering hESCR, Obama is my dream made flesh.
;)
the Pattericos were mean to feets….they called him an elitist.
>:(
Comment by Darleen on 7/4 @ 11:06 am #
I spent some time discussing this at Mr. Patterico’s
Oh, are they making fun of Palin for being an unimportant breeder? Was nk making cracks of how people who put their children first are not as legitimate as people with bar cards?
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 11:06 am #
So he is a hypocrite, then? Just praying for the pr?
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 11:08 am #
I thought you didn’t want to let Jesus drive?
Comment by Darleen on 7/4 @ 11:09 am #
Obama is doing everything EXACTLY right!
Let’s see, refusing to make a statement for almost a week about a totalitarian regime that murders peaceful demonstrators in the street, then turns around in a day and condemns a democratic regime for legally and constitutionally removing a criminal from office.
Yeah, EXACTLY right for a fascist. No wonder you worship him, Kate Mengele.
Comment by Danger on 7/4 @ 11:10 am #
“So he is a hypocrite, then? Just praying for the pr?”
Excellent question B Moe!
What do you say Nishi?
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 11:11 am #
no - they love Palin to pieces now and I’m a horrible person who is attacking Bristol…
it’s okay
With Palin, it was still fairly easy (if you looked beyond the sneering at small town/middle america), to see who and where she came from and it spoke volumes for who she was - for a national leader.
I like the way you put that and it rings true. But yes I agree with your larger point and if we can’t restore our little country to an even keel by raising the flag of Not Dirty Socialism and instead invest our hopes in a mere person I don’t think we have much of a shot and I think it’s an absurd misreading of the politics. Rock Star Presidents are scary scary fucks, even theoretical Republican ones, days are. (especially theoretical Republican ones?)
Comment by sdferr on 7/4 @ 11:17 am #
Trusting Palin is more or less appropriate, I think, to the extent that she demonstrates in the near future that she has learned serious lessons from the past campaign and following months. Should she fail to openly show she has taken onboard her own errors and foibles and made an effort to correct them, she will have earned your mistrust. If she can’t show she’s learning, what good will she be? hf may have seen this failure already. I’m not so sure myself, as I haven’t his knowledge and expertise in his field, so lack the basis upon which to decide.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 11:26 am #
I am angry about McCain staffers, but most of that is trying to explain away their Shrumness loserdom. Steve Schmidt does not want to say McCain ran a poor campaign. It is easier to blame Palin. The truth is McCain faced an uphill battle and handicapped himself going into that race. That battle is over. Let us at least try to learn from Mac’s mistakes.
Comment by Danger on 7/4 @ 11:33 am #
B Moe,
See what happens when you show the Cross to a vampire,
They run and hide.
Nice work man!
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 11:40 am #
Sure Nishi, zero doesn’t do God right
Obama Outdoes Bush on Jesus
By Don | June 9, 2009
President Bush was known for his Christianity but it’s President Obama mentioning the Savior of the Christian world in speeches.
Link
Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 7/4 @ 11:43 am #
hehe, yup, Obama uses religion, he isn’t used by it.
;)
your bench is getting pretty shallow…..pretty soon you will have to vote for a gasp! shudder! Mormon.
Comment by JHo on 7/4 @ 11:45 am #
Because of all the ego, you’re immune to perspective or reason, nuggie. Meh. Don’t pee in the thread too much.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 11:48 am #
Right Nishi (talk about a weak bench) report back to axleturf that we need some trolls that aren’t completely stupid at PW.
Comment by chasing waterfalls on 7/4 @ 11:48 am #
Theocracy!
Comment by Danger on 7/4 @ 11:50 am #
“hehe, yup, Obama uses religion, he isn’t used by it.”
A lot of people use religion but no one uses God. I’m certain he is not amused at your outlook though.
Comment by chasing waterfalls on 7/4 @ 11:50 am #
Leftists are really good at fundamentalism though.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 11:56 am #
Obama wins in 2012 if the economy recovers. He loses if it does not. It is that simple. Obama is working hard to be a one term President. So let’s gowith a decent conservative to replace him.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 12:02 pm #
hehe, yup, Obama uses religion, he isn’t used by it.
;)
Translation: you’re stupid enough to believe that Obama will lie to all those other people, but won’t lie to you.
Because you’re one of the cool kids.
Snicker.
The man could shit on a bun and tell you it was a burger and you’d eat it right up, wouldn’t you?
Comment by Abe Froman on 7/4 @ 12:06 pm #
hehe, yup, Obama uses religion, he isn’t used by it.
Lefties, especially the dweeby beta creatures like Nishi, are good at projecting motives onto Obama. Teh gheys assumed he was “really” lying
during the campaign. Teh moonbats assumed he was “really” telling the truth about his anti-terror policies during the campaign and still fall for the rearranging of deck chairs. Such a funny bunch to watch.
There’s a lot of that sort of thing going around with Obama. Teh gheys seem all sorts of confused that he wasn’t actually lying during the campaign like they assumed he was. Teh moonbats are all sorts of confused because they thought he wasn’t lying about his anti-terror policies. Kind of hard to tell who and what he is using at any given point.
Comment by Abe Froman on 7/4 @ 12:10 pm #
oops. The second paragraph should have been deleted. It’s the same comment as the first one before I rewrote it.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 12:16 pm #
Yeah Abe it is amusing to watch the moonbats grasp for their strawmen. Gives a lot of insight into what the “brownshirts” were thinking as Hitler set up the SS.
Comment by SDN on 7/4 @ 12:23 pm #
SBP, it was ever thus:
Memories
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 12:37 pm #
I suppose Palin has her cult of personality followers, but that isn’t what I like about her. I like her because she isn’t a Rock Star. Her finger nails have been dirty and she is by God proud of it. Her family isn’t perfect and she puts a spot light on them and loves them any way. The reason the Republican Party spent all that money on her wardrobe was because she had been shopping a second hand clothing boutiques. She was proud of it, McCain’s shit heels were embarrassed and tried to cover it up and wound up stepping on their dicks. And who caught all the shit over it?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 1:18 pm #
I’m amazed that so many of you people who consider yourselves bright and thoughtful conservatives have allowed yourselves to be taken in by Palin. She’s obviously nothing but an opportunist for whom politics is a job, just a way to make money. She’s quitting the AK gov’s job because it only pays $125K and she can make more on the lecture circuit or on TV.
Before politics, she was scraping by on peanuts, and soon she’ll be rolling in cash. She has no more concern for her family than any other welfare queen, they’re just props for her act.
It’s just wishful thinking to see her any other way.
Comment by chasing waterfalls on 7/4 @ 1:31 pm #
If I personalize politics, then I know that these same people would be embarrassed of me too - Republican elite, the media, and leftists alike. Sarah Palin would not be. I worked second shift in a factory to be able to attend the U. of Minn. My education ended up coming in shifts itself as I worked it into raising and supporting a family. Like the Palins, my husband and I have been both blue collar and professional and we know that good people, worthy of our emulation, exist in both places. Many politicians, academics, media elites may give lip service to us, but they sneer. This is what was exposed in the last election. The “bloodsport” became personal. This is why many of us circled the wagons around Sarah. Not because she was a rock star, but because she had the gifted potential of truly representing us with passion and appreciation. She understood the sacrifices we have already made and was not about to lecture us on how we SHOULD live. And unlike Obama, she would not speak about us one way to our face, and another behind the closed doors of the elite. It is personal and it counts.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 1:35 pm #
I’m amazed that the oh so gentile, educated, deep thinking, effete elite worms such as Dicky find Sarah Palin so inconsequential that they must come down from the high thrones to tell teh peasants how unimportant she is.
Comment by Abe Froman on 7/4 @ 1:44 pm #
I’m amazed that so many of you people who consider yourselves bright and thoughtful conservatives have allowed yourselves to be taken in by Palin. She’s obviously nothing but an opportunist for whom politics is a job, just a way to make money. She’s quitting the AK gov’s job because it only pays $125K and she can make more on the lecture circuit or on TV.
Before politics, she was scraping by on peanuts, and soon she’ll be rolling in cash. She has no more concern for her family than any other welfare queen, they’re just props for her act.
It’s just wishful thinking to see her any other way.
Save for her convention speech I’ve never been much impressed by her. But she has my undying love for the effect that she has on beta leftards like yourself. Palin is at least a work in progress, you actually elected a man with decades of experience inside the beltway - yet is still a raging buffoon - as vice president.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 1:54 pm #
Richard Bennett, you are a fucknut ball licker and a scab pretending to be human, but to make a point I will answer you. As far as a leader of conservatism, Sarah Palin was not William F. Buckley, by anymeans. While bright, she is no intellectual in that regard. But Sarah Palin is a genuine person who had pretty good base instincts on government, family, and conservatism. That is why many conservatives liked her.
So I am sad that scumbags on the left mudrakered her worse than I have ever seen any politican mudraked, Nixon included. I am deeply concerned her children are considered legitimate targets. The absolute viciousness of Trig Trutherism was amazing. She made mistakes for sure, but I would trust this country more in her hands that that worthless Plugs Biden or his boss Da One. And the truth is your guy has to turn the economy around by 2012 or he is not getting reelected. And he is doing everything possible to ensure he is a one term president.
Now go choke on a hot dog, after you pull that self rightous butt plug out of your ass. Seriously, you are a vicious troll and deserve nothing from contempt from people here. Your advice is disingenous and false.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 1:56 pm #
All of which is money earned in legal, voluntary contracts. Why is that a problem? Why aren’t you as concerned with the wild beyond comprehension crime spree going on in DC right now? How come the only time we have to wipe your shit off the floor over here is when this inconsequential welfare queen gets mentioned?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/4 @ 2:02 pm #
“Comment by Nishi of the Nightfall on 7/4 @ 11:43 am #
hehe, yup, Obama uses religion, he isn’t used by it.”]
So Obama is aopenly a hypocrite, and you want to lick his nutsack for it.
How low can you go, you inbred moron?
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 2:04 pm #
Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are dirty opportunists and hypocrites (and no I will not drop to the level of the left and mock their kids).
Comment by The Monster on 7/4 @ 2:06 pm #
I’ve never been to Mexico, but The Bride of Monster has. Her description of traffic there suggests that not only is Jesus a terrible driver, but Manuel and Carlos aren’t so hot either.
Comment by chasing waterfalls on 7/4 @ 2:19 pm #
Richard Bennett, dear man,
If what you noted is the criteria, why are you not using the same template against the millionaire Obama’s and the shady lives they’ve lived (sweet Chicago housing deal, hospital job kickback, shall I continue?).
Oh, that’s right, I remember. The kids from Wasilla should remember their place. Trash.
However perhaps you are right. How do we know who these handful of people running the show in Washingto really are? That is exactly why their power should be limited and probably part of the reason why those limitations were written into the constitution.
On this Independence day I’m tempted to give you a reminder of why some of us celebrate the American Dream. (Hint: it has very little to do with materialism and very much to do with the risky but glorious possibilities in the power of self-definition.)
P.S. I hope Sarah gets filthy rich.
Comment by B Moe on 7/4 @ 2:23 pm #
His short game more than makes up for it.
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 2:33 pm #
Developing…
So Richard Barnett is really MoDo. Richard, still bitter that Michael Douglas dropped you for a woman?
Comment by Joe on 7/4 @ 2:39 pm #
Here’s hoping:
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 2:42 pm #
Curly Moe says it’s OK that Palin’s an opportunist: “All of which is money earned in legal, voluntary contracts. Why is that a problem?”
Indeed, we’re all entitled to make a living, and far be it for me to envy anybody else for their success at it. I just find it rather amazing that Palin has managed to amass such a large following of shills, apologists, and stardust-stricken admirers who can’t see that she no more cares about them and their families than Saddam Hussein. Palin’s destiny was to be a small town commercial real estate agent, but she somehow accidentally got into politics via the Wasilla city council. Without the title of Governor, there’s nothing about her that’s at all remarkable, she’s just like millions of people in suburban and exurban America today, and probably not even up to the typical standard. She’s a small town grifter who’s good at pulling the wool over the eyes of people who want to be mislead.
One of the commenters on Wonkette points out that Palin has a pattern of quitting political jobs when they no longer serve her interests: she quit as mayor of Wasilla to run for Lt. Gov. (and lost) and quit her appointed job on the petro ethics commission when she couldn’t be center of attention, now she quits the gov’s job with 15 months to go and a book deal in the works (I can’t wait for a bio written entirely in crayon.)
Palin’s just a typical small-town hustler who accidentally ended up on the national stage for a few minutes, not the saint of family values who’s fighting for you and your tax bill. It’s amazing that so many people are so easily fooled.
Personally, I’m going to miss the entertainment she’s provided. That whole meltdown over Letterman’s A-Rod joke by itself was worth the price of admission.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 2:42 pm #
Richard Bennett, ya deep-throat sucker of Obama’s cock, didn’t your hero (finally) only start to make money after having sold a book or two (and having one of ‘em ghost-written by a terrorist) after he joined politics in 1996? Didn’t Obama have some help from Rezko (and no telling who else; those guys probably wearing concrete shoes right now) getting his first properties? Did not your hero only start to succeed after Chicago gangland-politicos pushed him to the front of the line after hearing his mellifluous voice?
Who are you to judge any other person after having just voted for a complete nobody and a fool for president?
FOAD.
Comment by Abe Froman on 7/4 @ 2:55 pm #
As I recall the Obama’s were deeply in debt until his wife miraculously got a 200K raise and he published that coloring book The Audacity of Hope.
Comment by meya on 7/4 @ 2:58 pm #
“Then McCain fucked all of us like two dollar whores, and now you guys want to blame Palin?”
She learned from him. This is her ’suspend my campaign’ moment.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 3:09 pm #
Good God Dicky your as stupid as the rest of these obot trolls. All you need to do is substitute zeros name for Sarah’s and Chicago for Wasilla and you give voice to exactly how I feel about you bootlickers.
But this one is especially rich.
“One of the commenters on Wonkette points out that Palin has a pattern of quitting political jobs when they no longer serve her interests:”
That one is far a better description of Barack Hussein Obama than it is Sarah Palin. Geez you are a loathsome nut licker.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 3:31 pm #
This is her ’suspend my campaign’ moment.
Yep. Because only idiots let duty get in the way of seeking power.
That lesson is starting to be learned, SFAG, but I don’t think you’re going to like the eventual result.
Comment by meya on 7/4 @ 4:01 pm #
“Yep. Because only idiots let duty get in the way of seeking power.”
She’s gonna go back to her successful career running a small business.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 4:03 pm #
This is bigger than Palin, SFAG.
Much, much bigger.
Ever notice that there hasn’t been a successful hijacking attempt since 9/11?
Certain events make the rules change.
The Rules of politics just Changed.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 4:04 pm #
No matter what she decides to do, Palin will still be your superior by every imaginable metric, SFAG.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 4:16 pm #
I just find it rather amazing that Obama has managed to amass such a large following of shills, apologists, and stardust-stricken admirers who can’t see that she no more cares about them and their families than Saddam Hussein.
Fixed that for you Tricky Dicky but you’ve gone back over to the wading pool at Wonkette I suppose. LOL! Man I can’t believe anyone would go around repeating something read on that site.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 4:18 pm #
Hell mena she could gather everyone in to watch her wash dishes and it would be a win compared to your insignificant existence.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 4:19 pm #
Clearly. That press conference was full of win.
Let’s have a link to one of your press conferences, dullwit.
Oh, right: you’re an amateur fascist who hides behind anon proxies.
It’s never occured to you that your game works only as long as the other side considers itself bound by the rules that you ignore, has it?
Comment by meya on 7/4 @ 4:20 pm #
“Let’s have a link to one of your press conferences, dullwit.”
You misunderstand. There’s no way I can top that.
Comment by SBP on 7/4 @ 4:22 pm #
I misunderstand nothing, SFAG.
You’re a cowardly little insignificant failure who gets her jollies by attempting to destroy her betters.
I know you better than you know yourself.
Comment by Rusty on 7/4 @ 4:22 pm #
#85
Obama just a typical Chi-town hustler who accidentally ended up on the national stage for a few years, not the saint of family values who’s fighting for you and your tax bill. It’s amazing that so many people are so easily fooled.
Fixed that fo you,..dick
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 4:24 pm #
OT, but…Steve McNair was found shot to death in a downtown Nashville condo this afternoon. Double homicide; him and his ‘girlfriend’. First reports were of a murder-suicide, but now that’s out the window.
32 years old. What a freakin’ shame.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 4:26 pm #
Yeah that is sad about McNair from what I’ve read he was one of the good guys.
Comment by Danger on 7/4 @ 4:34 pm #
“As far as a leader of conservatism, Sarah Palin was not William F. Buckley, by anymeans. While bright, she is no intellectual in that regard. But Sarah Palin is a genuine person who had pretty good base instincts on government, family, and conservatism. That is why many conservatives liked her.”
Good stuff Joe,
I would not have used all of your adjectives but I was inspired nonetheless;).
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 4:56 pm #
This is good:
Palin is the Nixon of our time, and the “point guard going through the full court press with her head up” speech was almost Checkersesque. Nobody in the media was going to make Nixon give up the family dog or block Palin’s bounce pass under the basket. The troops, she says, “know life is short and choose not to waste time.” They know Sarah should leave Alaska and seek her destiny. What nerve. Even Nixon never used American troops abroad to rationalize political ambition. (On second thought, wasn’t that what his 1972 campaign was all about?).
Nixon famously said, “I’m not a quitter” (before quitting). Palin said people who “plod along” on “the worthless path” have taken “the quitters way out.” She actually quit while attacking quitters. For a certain kind of numbskull, that counts as smooth.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/205225
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:02 pm #
Newsweak hahahaha!
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 5:05 pm #
“we’re all socialist now” newspeak?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 5:06 pm #
Yes, I’m glad you agree it’s a very good analysis, royf.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:15 pm #
Dicky boy I’m laughing at you for believing anything from Newsweak. But I guess it beats Wonkette…
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:17 pm #
I mean many years ago Newsweak served a purpose I guess, It gave you some pictures to look at while waiting in a doctors office. The Wonkette LOL! not so much.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 5:20 pm #
i’m having trouble finding any of “palin’s words” in the complete transcript of Palin’s resignation remarks
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:22 pm #
You know what that is about newsrouter, typical axleturfer strategy.
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/4 @ 5:25 pm #
Dick-head is all sorts of weapons-grade stupid…
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 5:26 pm #
from newrouter’s link - how do you square what Sarah Palin says in her speech…
with the Anchorage paper’s article here
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:30 pm #
Well I do know Sarah was signing the checks and the ADN is a typical liberal newspaper, So I guess one will have to decide which is right until more information is available.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 5:32 pm #
that’s what’s confusing though cause the dirty socialist ADN article came out Jul 1 so they wouldn’t have had any conceivable rationale for low-balling the number in fact the tone of the piece suggests the opposite inclination would be more likely to prevail
Comment by geoffb on 7/4 @ 5:36 pm #
Apples and Oranges.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 5:40 pm #
that amount is to lawyers hired by the board. they haven’t factor in this boards time/money nor the gov’s office.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 5:41 pm #
I saw that but it still seems like the ADN was trying to get a number to assign to the cost of Governor Palin’s ethics problems and then Sarah comes along and says no my ethics problems were actually a whole lot costlier … it’s very odd and it suggests Sarah Palin is using the ethics complaints costs as an excuse to bail on her job. The half million in personal legal costs she claims is thereby a little suspect and even on its face strikes me as less than onerous as well.
Comment by SmokeVanThorn on 7/4 @ 5:44 pm #
Newsweek? Newsweek? Newsweek?
Good Lord, Dicky just doesn’t get, poor little guy.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 5:45 pm #
Nixon had lots of ethics issues too, it’s all part of the “I’m above the law” character of these demagogues. But at least Nixon had a brain.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 5:47 pm #
How is Sarah Palin a demagogue?
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 5:47 pm #
that’s her legal fees for the last 10 months. what would they be in another 2 years. her pay i think is 125k/yr.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 5:48 pm #
Obama
Nixonhad lots of ethics issues too, it’s all part of the “I’m above the law” character of these demagogues.Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 5:48 pm #
that’s true but still I think one post-gubernatorial speech, maybe two, would have squared her up
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:51 pm #
Oh look Nixon and bunnies lots of bunnies 11ELEVENTY!!!!!!
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 5:52 pm #
I got your Newsweak, Bennett of the Blue Hand.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 5:53 pm #
OH, this blue hand. You can guess which hand is mine.
Comment by meya on 7/4 @ 5:56 pm #
See Richard, you’re an Obama fan now.
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/4 @ 5:58 pm #
LOL!
serr8d wins teh interwebs!
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 5:59 pm #
Whatever he is, Meya, he’s an unpleasant jack’s ass. May he eat shit and die.
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 5:59 pm #
Oh mena I guess Dicky is really a conservative whose just been awakened by Meagan McCain LOL!. Mena when stupid is just not enough!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 6:00 pm #
i agree. but palin doesn’t seem to be “its all about me” type pol like obama, joey hairplugs or mcsame.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 6:02 pm #
ask the americorps ig
Comment by royf on 7/4 @ 6:06 pm #
If she had gone on a speaking tour to pay off her legal bills it would have just led to another flood of ethics complaints. Hell there was one filed because she went on some state business and gave a press conference while she was there. Me I’m mad at the dishonest assholes (see Chicago thugs) who have have established this strategy against Palin.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 6:06 pm #
::sigh::Sorry, I’m distraught.
My mother-in-law was visiting earlier today. Worse, we had a house full (and yard full, and pool full) of guests. Then, she utilized one of my bathrooms. Next, I utilized a wet-vac. And a shovel. I’ve had a bad day.
But they’ve left now, and the Bombay Sapphire is starting to help.
Happy 4th of Fuckin’ July.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:08 pm #
that sounds like you’ve had a really really memorable holiday serr8d
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/4 @ 6:11 pm #
Damn, serr8d… that sounds like the script of a bad Chevy Chase movie.
Hope you get to feeling better.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 6:12 pm #
rocky is on tmc. sarahp a new rocky
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:14 pm #
i agree. but palin doesn’t seem to be “its all about me” type pol like obama, joey hairplugs or mcsame.
she’s not the same but she’s not all that different I don’t think. She’s a bit of a dinky hoo is what she is I think. I hope there’s news soon what doesn’t involve her.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:15 pm #
I really really really would like to know what Jeff thinks.
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/4 @ 6:17 pm #
I would like some news that doesn’t involve Michael Jackson or the bottom feeders he called family and friends…
But that’s just me, HF.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:18 pm #
or barring Jeff, SarahW.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:18 pm #
Michael Jackson at least orchestrated a bit of inherent closure.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 6:37 pm #
per this post i think palin achieved most of the goals she had as gov of ak. at this point she faces trivial ethics charges. but in the future the the leftoids would be in court trying to stop the pipeline. so would it not be better to step down and move that artillery away from your agenda.
Comment by serr8d on 7/4 @ 6:39 pm #
On Michael Jackson and closure.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/4 @ 6:54 pm #
I don’t know newrouter… it’s just starting to seem it’s always something with her… People keep asking me if I’m going to the memorial Tuesday and I say no I have to get ready to go to Chicago on Wednesday and a lot of them think that’s a for real answer. I don’t get that.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/4 @ 8:45 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 5:06 pm #
Yes, I’m glad you agree it’s a very good analysis, royf.”
You miss a lot, don’t you, you inbred mouthbreather?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/4 @ 8:47 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 5:45 pm #
Nixon had lots of ethics issues too, it’s all part of the “I’m above the law” character of these demagogues. But at least Nixon had a brain.”
Unlike Obama.
Comment by newrouter on 7/4 @ 8:54 pm #
quite odd linking jackson overkill with palin middle finger
Comment by Merovign on 7/4 @ 9:02 pm #
Dick:
They’re called “friends.” I’m not surprised that the word did not occur to you.
Now it’s time for you to declare yourself a victim of evil wingnut aggression and infest another discussion somewhere else.
Though it is nice to see that Palin has taken the mantle of “brainless bumpkin yet master manipulator” from GW.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 9:38 pm #
Dubya never played the victim, Moronign, but that’s all Princess ever does. She poor thing has been oppressed eight ways from Sunday by the phallocentric male patriarchy, to hear her tell it. I think I’ll send her a cookie.
Comment by meya on 7/4 @ 11:07 pm #
“They’re called “friends.” I’m not surprised that the word did not occur to you.”
She finds them on facebook!
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 11:24 pm #
Now she’s whining about bloggers being mean to her and threatening to sue them: http://ktuu.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/Release_for_7-4-09-1.pdf, serving them on Twitter. The poor thing has completely lost it.
Comment by korova milk bar on 7/4 @ 11:37 pm #
“Dubya never played the victim, Moronign, but that’s all Princess ever does. She poor thing has been oppressed eight ways from Sunday by the phallocentric male patriarchy, to hear her tell it. I think I’ll send her a cookie.”
You’ve got quite a creepy obsession with the lady you bloated old geek. Me droogs might have to go all “singing in the rain” on your rib cage.
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/5 @ 12:17 am #
Because bringing legal action against those who threaten/libel/attack you and/or your family on the internet is TOTALLY unheard of…
You sure do spend a lot of time and bandwidth on the Alaska chillbilly you claim is no one of consequence.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/5 @ 3:07 am #
it’s very odd and it suggests Sarah Palin is using the ethics complaints costs as an excuse to bail on her job.
I sure wish Ted Kennedy, or Robert Byrd or (place any tumorous, washed up senile old scrotum with teeth name here) would finally bail on his job.
Comment by Carin on 7/5 @ 4:10 am #
on’t know newrouter… it’s just starting to seem it’s always something with her… People keep asking me if I’m going to the memorial Tuesday and I say no I have to get ready to go to Chicago on Wednesday and a lot of them think that’s a for real answer. I don’t get that.
OK, that’s going on my “best of” Happyfeet list.
Comment by Carin on 7/5 @ 4:14 am #
She poor thing has been oppressed eight ways from Sunday by the phallocentric male patriarchy, to hear her tell it. I
Ironic that most of the hate and oppression directed at her is from liberal women …
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 5:09 am #
“Ironic that most of the hate and oppression directed at her is from liberal women ……”
And gays.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:25 am #
#159: Except for the HillBuzz folks.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 5:36 am #
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 11:24 pm #
Now she’s whining about bloggers being mean to her and threatening to sue them:
So if she would just STFU and let insignificant leftist scumbags (such as yourself) smear her and her family everything would be cool huh? She is going to defend herself, that is one of the things this is about you ignorant twat. If I were you I would double check your Wonkette sources (LOL!) to make sure what your spewing out isn’t a total lie, Most likely it is.
No Dicky standing up and defending yourself from lying little scumbags (such as yourself) isn’t whining its called setting the record straight. Hey look it up in Newsweak I’m sure they know all about it you little creep.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:40 am #
Hey meya, Richard, et al:
Have you seen this?
If not, I suggest you read it. Carefully. Especially the last paragraph. Then look at the list of sites here. Then look at this LA Times article. Do the phrases “reckless disregard” and “actual malice” mean anything to you?
Meya, you like to tout yourself as a legal expert. What do you know about the libel laws in the European countries where your “anonymous” proxies are located? (hint: they tend to be much more stringent than the ones in the United States, as a rule). Oh, they may claim that they purge their logs, but do you know that they do? And are you really stupid enough to believe that your connection to the proxy and the proxy’s subsequent connection back to the site you’re trolling aren’t logged? It might be a somewhat effective strategy against the individual blogger you’re harassing, but it doesn’t do jack shit against a subpoena.
Palin has a very large legal defense fund, and it’s going to get much larger after she’s no longer in office and is thus exempt from certain restrictions on fund-raising.
Sleep tight.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:43 am #
Oh, and Dicky: I don’t think it’s a “threat” of lawsuits.
I think she’s really going to do it.
Again: sleep tight.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 5:45 am #
Oh and Dicky since I doubt this will make the rounds at the little echo chambers you inhabit you might want to check this out. Not that I consider the LATimes any better than Newsweak but I do believe the FBI statement in regards to your next fantasy.
Sarah Palin not under FBI investigation, agency spokesman says
Link
Snip
“There is absolutely no truth to those rumors that we’re investigating her or getting ready to indict her,” Special Agent Eric Gonzalez said in a phone interview Saturday. “It’s just not true.” He added that there was “no wiggle room” in his comments for any kind of inquiry.
Snip
Comment by kasper on 7/5 @ 6:22 am #
Serr8d: She’s obviously nothing but an opportunist for whom politics is a job.
Yes, that’s what the left knows about themselves. Just can’t understand how there could be anybody in the game who might be sincere and honest at any level of politics. So they’ll get to work making that person appear to be just like their own filthy kind. Destroy them and everyone around them. Easily done if you control the message as the left has for decades. No problem for the left, they’re always satisfied with themselves. Unfortunately, the rest of us are forced to smell your stink when you crap on everything.
I thought Palin was an interesting pick. And I was intrigued with her in the beginning, she drew people and she did have an effective presence. But I also felt that it wasn’t going to work, it wasn’t enough. McCain was dead weight and Palin wasn’t experienced enough. It was too much, too soon, and I think she lost something. She was a conservative new to the game and unprepared for being the target of media’s sleaze and corruption.
I’ve no insight as to what her leaving the Alaskan governorship will mean, or if there are reasons were beyond what she stated. I think she was pretty straight about why. It may not be the right decision, but I believe it was made because she and her family had reached the limit of what they were willing to bare.
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 6:35 am #
That GWB never defended himself or his policies but let the left smear him was one of the frustrating things about his administration. That Palin is willing to do so is heartening.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 6:46 am #
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/4 @ 9:38 pm #
Dubya never played the victim,
Well, well so you acknowledge that President Bush was the victim of your fascist partisan attacks huh? Well you know what President Bush is a principled man and wasn’t about to use the Presidency to counter attack those who lied about him. He believes in and respects the Office and recognizes that as President his job was to this Country and all its citizens. Unlike Owebama who uses it to attack his critics continuously. Sarah Palin will soon be a private citizen with a very large profile, that recognizes the lefts Alinsky tactics, quite frankly she is you fascists worst nightmare. Its easy to understand why you freaks are scared shitless of her, If you ask me you should be.
Comment by Rusty on 7/5 @ 7:07 am #
#164′
As a matter of fact, roy, she quit so she could actively engage in lawsuits against some media oulets including some lefty blogs. Turnabout is, after all, fair play. Who’s the princess now?
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 7:18 am #
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Yes Rusty that is what I thought, Obviously her resignation came as a surprise to me. But to me her speech wasn’t a surrender it was a declaration of war, that’s just how it sounded to me. Evidently that is what it was and I’m excited and impressed, its time for the scumbag lefties to face the music if you ask me.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 7:23 am #
Ah, the Rove indictment redux. Anybody seen Jason Leopold?
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 7:26 am #
Closing with the MacArthur quote was no accident.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 7:29 am #
“Ironic that most of the hate and oppression directed at her is from liberal women ……”
“Ironic” also is the media reaction to her announcement, according to Palin’s facebook statement.
“If not, I suggest you read it. Carefully. Especially the last paragraph. Then look at the list of sites here. Then look at this LA Times article. Do the phrases “reckless disregard” and “actual malice” mean anything to you?”
You can tell how serious this is by the list of press outlets they named: huffpo, msnbc, NYtimes and washpost. All that is missing is ACORN.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 7:34 am #
This is America, meya. You’re allowed to say something meaningful. Don’t be afraid.
Comment by donald on 7/5 @ 7:39 am #
This Richard dude is quite deserving of an aneuryism. He’s earned it.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 8:28 am #
“This is America, meya. You’re allowed to say something meaningful. Don’t be afraid.”
Spies thinks that Palin is gonna sue me. ME! I think you’re right. I shouldn’t be afraid.
Comment by abe Froman on 7/5 @ 8:42 am #
Don’t worry meya. Your complete lack of wit and personality combined with your subtle, lazy, half-hearted dishonesty assure that nobody just passing through here would notice you. You’re like a drip in a faucet.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 8:55 am #
You can tell how serious this is by the list of press outlets they named: huffpo, msnbc, NYtimes and washpost. All that is missing is ACORN.
I understand ACORN is going to be coming into a whole lot of stolen money soon.
The NYT still owns some valuable real estate (last I checked, the real estate they occupy was almost exactly equal to the market cap of their shitty company, although that’s probably declined in recent months. Still, they do have assets). They won Sullivan. I wouldn’t count on them winning this one.
Just wait until all the messages from the lefty sekrit treehouse “Journolist” get subpoenaed. You’d better not try to put it down the memory hole, either, Ezra. Spoliation of evidence is a federal crime, not just a tort.
Remember what I said the other day about others learning how to play your little game, SFAG? And how you weren’t going to like it when it happened?
Welcome to the new world. The one you made.
I wouldn’t count on those “anonymous” proxies protecting your lies for much longer, girlie.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 8:57 am #
Just to reiterate, SFAG:
Palin has tons of legal funds. Tons.
And she’s about to get a whole lot more.
Sleep tight.
Comment by serr8d on 7/5 @ 8:58 am #
Ace, Allahpundit, taking some heat. But their bloggy speculations are cheap, only somewhat worth noting but not worth taking to heart. Personally I’m hoping Sarah Palin will become the AntiObama around which many, many peoples can coalesce.
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 9:27 am #
How very observant of you.
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 9:30 am #
I wonder is Ace appreciates the irony of that.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 10:14 am #
B Moe, enjoy your week off. When this story broke on Friday, the first reaction of you and Darleen was to take a 48 hour break. That was about as effective as telling the waters of Lake Mead to halt if Hoover Dam failed, the entire blogosphere and every conservative website was discussing The Sarah Palin Chronicals. You accused me of speculation when I said I found the decision troubling, because if she was running for 2012 I did not think the decision wise and if she was getting out of politics that too made me sad (although I could understand why given the level of personal attacks). Hardly a slam on Sarah Palin, who I like.
Obviously 48 hours later you feel the same. After 48 hours, I am pretty sure Sarah Palin is not running for President, not in 2012 anyway. I think she wants something different for her family. I wish her the best and strongly suspect we will be hearing more of her.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 10:21 am #
serr8d, Sarah Palin has a roll I am sure, but you do not win the Presidency by running as a fringe candidate.
What is ironic is Obama is a fringe candidate, his politics are downright radical and out of the mainstream. Yet he ran as a moderate calm candidate. Most voters unfortunately are not educated, they go with how a candidate makes them feel.
Sarah Palin in contrast supports mainstream issues. Pro life? A slight majority are pro life. More domestic energy? Most are for this. Go down the list, she is on the majority side on almost every issue. Yet she is a fringe candidate? Because the media framed her that way. Engaging in Mavericky behavior did not help McCain win the Presidency and will not help her now. And I think she is smart enough to know that. She has won over people like you and me, and alienated independents and democrats. This is not about running in 2012, this is about taking a new course.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 10:28 am #
I 100% agree with Ace in his comments (although I incorrectly predicted the Giants would beat the Eagles in that game). I understand what Ace is talking about oh so well. That same let’s shoot the messenger mentality is alive and well here at PW. For a classic example, look at my exchange with JD just before the Sanford press conference.
Republicans and conservatives better wise up. Obama is either getting elected if they borrow up the economy just before 2012 or is going down in 2012 if it does not work. Given the crazy antics of the Democrats doing every thing possible to drive the economy down, we should have a decent candidate poised to run for President. I am not sure who that person is. I know I am not for Mike Huckabee. I could support Mitt Romney, but that depends a lot on how Mitt Romeny runs this time (hint: Mitt how you ran last time sucked). Perhaps it is someone else. I am pretty sure it will not be Sarah Palin.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 10:36 am #
Excuse me B Moe, I thought that was your quote above, but it is Ace’s. My bad. I do not see the irony in it.
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 10:36 am #
I got no problem discussing the ramifications, Joe, was I was upset about was speculating on what scandal had forced it. That was, and still is, bullshit. Kind of like Ace questioning her stepping down in face of relentless personal attacks, then doing the same fucking thing when he starts catching shit.
The nutroots does a damn fine job of slander and gossip, we don’t need to help them.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 10:56 am #
I never speculated that there was a scandal that forced Sarah Palin to do what she did. And the fact we have not heard any mention of such a scandal since she announced (and you know there are leigons of reporters looking for one) suggests no such scandal exists. Show me where such a post from me exists? I was concerned only with the ramifications of the decision.
There is a different when a blogger takes a week or so off from his blog B Moe (where have I ever heard of someone doing that before?), and when a governor steps down half way through her term. The idea that we would discuss what this move meant is not bullshit, it would be bullshit to pretend it was not a huge fucking deal in her career. I hope she does well, I support her, but I doubt that this move bodes well if you want her to be a candidate in 2012.
The idea that we cannot discuss weaknesses in our own candidates because it helps the nutroots is insane. If this abandoment of her job was to help her run in 2012, that is a poor decision. Ignoring people saying that is the equivalent of covering your ears and chanting la, la, la, I can’t hear you. Of course we can and should discuss such impacts. We should do it with candidates early on and throughout their campaigns and we should do it with elected officials. Was it insane for conservatives to rise up when Harriet Miers was nominated to the supreme court, or would the Hugh Hewitt anything the president wants approach have been better?
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 11:08 am #
Those are your first two posts, Joe. And once again, for the last time, pure speculation about motives is not the same thing as discussing known weaknesses in a candidate or ramifications of her decision.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 11:10 am #
Ace is taking a week off out of frustration not because he can’t take the heat. He is frustrated that people at his own blogsite can’t get his intent. They instead project their own emotional responses onto him rather than engaged him on the points. I do not blame him. I have seen Jeff go through exactly the same bullshit here.
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 11:14 am #
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Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 11:15 am #
Well B Moe, I stand by that comment. The timing, the nature of the announcement, everything about it did not imply a position of strength. I had a bad feeling then and I am not feeling particularly chipper about it now. I think as a poltiical move it damaged her (although I speculate that this is more about her family than a poltical move). And if you fail to get my intent, what I was speculating about is her family decided to say fuck it. I did not get into any specifics.
Now you can cover your ears again and pretend she is your change and hope for 2012.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 11:16 am #
ACORN is a nut that makes pigs fat. But only certain kinds of pigs.
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 11:17 am #
Thank you for conceding my point.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 11:31 am #
I am not conceeding anything B Moe. Speculating why she was doing it was completely legitmately. The Anchoress noted that the annoucement in and of itself prompted such speculation. What would have been wrong is to engage in Sullivanesque fantasy theories about Trig Palin and her kids.
What I said was perfectly reasonable and rather measured. I suggested that it might be something personal in her family and everything so far suggests I was right. The fact that the Campaign Spot said she had a family vote on what to do strongy supports that. I am still very troubled by this whole thing, because it shows if you attack a candidate long and hard enough you can drive them out of politics. It was you who was acting strange in pretending there was nothing to discuss.
You were wrong. I don’t expect you to ever admit it. I am sure you think you are just protecting Sarah Palin.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 11:37 am #
The Anchoress
I stand behind my initial impressions, this is personal for her family. She is out of running for President, at least for 2012 (although I am sure she has other plans). If she does plan to run, this will hurt her because quiting during her first term as governor is not a wise resume move for the top job in this country.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 11:42 am #
What’s wrong with her perfectly clear explanation? And what suggests that it’s anything other than what she said it is?
She had a family vote on whether to accept McCain’s offer too. The family makes important decisions together. So?
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 11:48 am #
Joe hey you have your opinion great but you are missing what she said in her speech.
In fact, this decision comes after much consideration, and finally polling the most important people in my life - my children (where the count was unanimous… well, in response to asking: “Want me to make a positive difference and fight for ALL our children’s future from outside the Governor’s office?” It was four “yes’s” and one “hell yeah!” The “hell yeah” sealed it - and someday I’ll talk about the details of that…
Sorry that just doesn’t give any credibility to your theory of it being to protect her family. Those are the facts the vote was about what was the best way to further her political principles not about hiding out from criticism.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 12:07 pm #
“What’s wrong with her perfectly clear explanation?”
Exactly. Everyone can tell exactly what happened.
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 12:13 pm #
Those who understand English anyways.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 12:15 pm #
What’s the problem mena was it not “nuanced” enough for you? And I thought the new journalist key words were “under estimated”.
Maybe all you leftists creeps “under estimated” that not everyone was going to let you lies and malicious slanders go on without challenge.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 12:19 pm #
Uh, meya?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 12:22 pm #
Exactly. Everyone can tell exactly what happened.
If not now, it will become clear when the subpoenas are served.
You and yours have made this about power and and crushing your enemies with legal tactics.
To be quite blunt: Palin has more power than you do. She also has more power than Kos, and I’d even say more than the New York Times (they’re having to sell the plasma of junior reporters just to keep the doors open, or hadn’t you noticed?).
Your rules. You made them.
Enjoy.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 12:31 pm #
rofy and pablo: Okay, so you are telling me she can be more effective running for the President by quiting half way through her first term as governor? I disagree. I suspect if that is her motive, that will backfire.
If her goal is to try to affect public policy outside of elected office right now, I agree she could be effective.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 12:44 pm #
I said nothing of the sort joe, You stated this
I suggested that it might be something personal in her family and everything so far suggests I was right. The fact that the Campaign Spot said she had a family vote on what to do strongy supports that.
I simply pointed out that she explained what the family vote was about and that was if she should resign as a way to promote her political agenda outside the Governors office. How you can twist that into “something personal” is beyond me.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 12:50 pm #
Beyond you? Well a lot of the conservative blogosphere is saying that. Of course there is something personal about this. I am not suggesting scandal.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 12:51 pm #
And mena if Sarah’s explanation was to confusing to you go visit the “Who’s on First” thread. I’m sure ogabe’s State Dept. briefing on Iran will be suave for you frayed nerves.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 12:57 pm #
Joe I’m not playing the little move the goal posts game with you period. You cited her family vote as evidence that it was personal. I showed you the vote wasn’t about something personal but about tactics. Make what ever assumptions you wish to make about her resignation but don’t imply the family vote was about something it most clearly was not.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 12:59 pm #
I’m telling you that the reason for her leaving was clearly explained in her statement. And I’m asking why speculation as to some other motive is necessary or useful. Which is why I said what I said and asked what I asked. Tt helps keep things clear if we actually say what we mean and assume that others mean what they say.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 1:11 pm #
royf, if this is all about political tactics and running in 2012, I think Sarah’s judgment is seriously flawed. I am not sure her statement clearly stated she was running in 2012, but I agree it is possible, and I guess we can wait and see.
I think it had to do with attacks on her and her family and she decided there are better things she could be doing. I am sure she intends to speak out on policy, make money, and try to influence events, I am just not sure she is running in 2012.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 1:22 pm #
At least she did not do this in her press statement.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 1:28 pm #
Rush and Levin say wait and see. Okay. I note they are also not calling this a brilliant move, they are waiting to see how it plays out.
Again, I do not think (nor hope) Sarah Palin is finished, I just do not believe she is doing this to run in 2012. If she is doing it to run, then I think it is a mistake.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 1:43 pm #
Joe I didn’t say “this is all” about tactics, I said the family vote was.
But If my opinion on what her resignation was about is what you want, I have to say her statement says it well. Now it doesn’t go into specifics which leaves plenty of options.
What I think is she felt like she needed to answer the chicago thugs personal assault, I also think she felt it was inappropriate to do so as a setting Governor.
I think she sees the void in the national conservative movement and felt she could be more effective free of the constraints placed on her by the unending ethic complaints and her own convictions that elected officials should do there jobs and not just “mail it in” as she said.
I also think she feels like she has a capable Lt. Governor and this move would allow him incumbent status, which would help further their agenda. I think it will allow her to raise the money needed to pay off debts from frivolous ethics complaints.
I don’t in anyway think this was done as a strategy in a run for office I look at it more as how can I help stop the Ogabe thug regime right now. And help establish a cohesive opposition message.
Now if by doing those things on a national stage ends up with a nomination for President in 2012 I don’t think she will turn it down. And if she is able to help turn the fascists momentum and win back some seats in Congress in 2010 she will became the major voice of the conservatives. If those things happen I don’t think her resignation will matter at all.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 1:55 pm #
You may be right royf, on the running part. But if that is true, I still think it is a mistake.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 2:03 pm #
Well Joe good for you, I disagree and so does Sarah Palin and her family. And As far as the Beltway insiders go I could care less what they think. When they condemn zero for quitting the Illinois Senate after 100 days or hell even bring it up, then I think they might have some credibility.
It’s all just JournaList bull shit anyway as far as I’m concerned.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 2:07 pm #
Since Sarah is on twitter, I went to see if Jeff is still twittering, it appears not right now (at least not under Protein Wisdom or Jeff Goldstein) but I did see this remark:
“How old am I? Old enough to remember when Jeff Goldstein posted on Jeff Goldstein’s blog.”
royf, I am not sure the conservative blogosphere count as beltway insiders. But you keep up the faith. I am sure that will carry the day.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 2:09 pm #
royf, I am in no way defending Da One, but is Sarah running for the Senate? If that is the case, and she wins, you might be right. Otherwise, not so much.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 2:18 pm #
No I don’t think the conservative blogosphere count as inside the Beltway, That would be more like a herd of cats. But the conservative blogosphere doesn’t drive the 24/7 news cycle either.
Ask Sarah Palin if she is running for Senate I have no idea.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 2:18 pm #
“Okay, so you are telling me she can be more effective running for the President by quiting half way through her first term as governor?”
You can’t do two political things at the same time, as in be Governor of Alaska and run for President at the same time.
Obama proved that.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 2:27 pm #
Joe you baffle me I don’t have a clue what the hell you are trying to find out. But you sure use the same tactics as a number of trolls. Which is to ask a question then ignore the answer, only to set up some more straw men with targets on them. I think I’m done with this conversation.
Comment by Rusty on 7/5 @ 2:35 pm #
Let’s se how the lawsuits turn our before we nominate her for anything.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 2:39 pm #
It doesn’t matter how they turn out, Rusty.
Palin won all 15 of the bogus ethics suits that were filed against her. That didn’t prevent the tactic from making it impossible for her to govern effectively, or prevent her from racking up $500K in personal legal bills and (I think) a million and a half for the state.
Two can play at that game.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 3:08 pm #
royf, this might be the best answer to you. Sometimes supporters can be damaging to a candiate.
You made the argument royf that she is likely running in 2012. N.O’Brain suggests she can’t be governor and run at the same time (history of course disputes that, since governors and senators historically do not give up their seats to run for President, but he is entitled to his opinion). My argument is a simple one, she made a bad choice if that is her plan. If I am wrong and she wins in 2012, well great. I doubt that will happen.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 3:08 pm #
“You can’t do two political things at the same time, as in be Governor of Alaska and run for President at the same time.”
Lieberman showed you can’t run for president at the same time as you run for senate.
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 3:12 pm #
N.O’Brain, just arguing Obama did it will not make it so for Palin. Obama had the press on his side, Sarah definitely does not. Obama gave up his Statehouse seat to be a U.S. Senator, we are not yet sure what Sarah is going to do (and I doubt it is to run for the Senate). So we have a poltician who was mayor of a small town and Governor for half a term. Who is now going to run for President in 2 and a half years? I have my doubts on the success of that in 2012, 2016…maybe.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 3:19 pm #
You made the argument royf that she is likely running in 2012.
Bullshit joe you show me where I said that. Like I said you strike me as a troll, you either can’t read and comprehend or you are ignorant.
I know for sure I’m through with you.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 3:24 pm #
Obama, is an empty headed posturing twit, not a political radical. He is the quintessential follower, showing off for the applause of the crowd, not a man capable of thinking to the root of anything, let alone thinking through to the roots of the deepest problems of politics: interest, power and justice and the questions of human nature which underlay those political problems. He is shallow and unlearned yet believes himself a seer, a visionary actor on the world stage. Certainly he can be harmful to the interests of the United States while on that stage, he can do many grave injustices to others as he enriches himself, but in the long run will be nothing but another forgotten stooge of an ignorant conventional drivel.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 3:35 pm #
Correcting a few spelling errors in 226:
Palin is an empty headed posturing twit, not a political radical. She is the quintessential follower, showing off for the applause of the crowd, not a woman capable of thinking to the root of anything, let alone thinking through to the roots of the deepest problems of politics: interest, power and justice and the questions of human nature which underlay those political problems. She is shallow and unlearned yet believes herself a seer, a visionary actor on the world stage. Certainly she can be harmful to the interests of the United States while on that stage, she can do many grave injustices to others as she enriches herself, but in the long run will be nothing but another forgotten stooge of an ignorant conventional drivel.
It’s still clumsy (”stooge of an ignorant conventional drivel”…what??,) but better. There are many things about which to criticize Big O, but “shallow and unlearned” aren’t among them.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 3:39 pm #
Hey Dicky there are a lot of thing I would criticize you about but having a opinion that anyone with a brain would give a shit about isn’t one of them…..
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 3:40 pm #
There are many things about which to criticize Big O, but “shallow and unlearned” aren’t among them.
Got a link to his publication record?
Hint: autobiographies don’t count, even if there are two of them.
What WAS his GPA?
What was his senior thesis about?
What was his LSAT score?
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 3:58 pm #
Once Sister Palin figured out that politics wasn’t the same as the annual Ms. Fried Pork Chop contest at the county fair she pissed into her pumps and ran.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 4:01 pm #
Hint: A bit higher than yours, obviously.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 4:09 pm #
Richard,
You still haven’t answered the earlier question,
how many children have you carried to term and given birth to?
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 4:13 pm #
Obama is learned when he uses Keynesian style government spending as a stimulus of economic growth, a technique demonstrated to fail back in the 1930’s? That’s what you call learned? That’s what I’d call shallow.
Obama is learned when he cannot distinguish a theocratic and tyrannical enemy from forces opposed to that tyranny, forces wanting justice for themselves and their children, forces seeking a more democratic government? No, not learned, shallow is what that is.
Obama is learned when he allies himself with the likes of Castro, Chavez, Ortega and Zelaya against the democratic government of Honduras which seeks to keep its Constitution intact rather see it seized by a throwback to the past? And he does this while mouthing platitudes about not meddling in the internal sovereign affairs of other nations?
Obama is learned when he tells the commanders in the field in Afghanistan: — you’ve already got all the men I’m going to allow you to have and I’ll hear no suggestions you need more to do the job I’m telling you to do, whether you can do the required job or not, don’t ask for more men — that is learned?
When he says to the American people he will rewrite the ground rules of the entire health care system, bring into it many tens of millions not covered by health insurance, make the system work better and deliver more health care than is now available and will do all that for less money, that is learned?
He’s learned when he claims the US economy will grow ever larger, all while using less energy than it did before and at a much higher unit cost, that is supposed to be learned?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:14 pm #
Hint: A bit higher than yours, obviously.
Hint: attempting to deflect doesn’t hide the fact that neither you, nor Richard, nor anyone else knows the answer to these questions.
Why doesn’t this “brilliant scholar” have a publication record, thor?
Comment by Rusty on 7/5 @ 4:15 pm #
There are many things about which to criticize Big O, but “shallow and unlearned” aren’t among them.
Bwaaaaaaahahahahahahaha…………….snort. Your bar is set mighty low indeed. The world is waiting to see the depth and breadth of his intellect. If published data are correct, in my family, his IQ would be considered a little low. But he has certainly gotten people of much greater intellect and treasure to get him where he is today. Just as an aside, Richard, what it it about socialism you find so compelling?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 4:26 pm #
Can somebody give Darleen the “birds and bees” talk (out of band, preferably?) She has questions about reproduction that are a bit too tedious for yours truly.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 4:27 pm #
You’re the OB/GYN here, Dickie. You can do it.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:30 pm #
Can somebody give Darleen the “birds and bees” talk (out of band, preferably?)
Can somebody explain to Dickie that scholarship generally implies publication?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 4:30 pm #
Paprika’s Pretensions has an interesting post about how the conservative blogosphere is eating itself alive over the Palin Pout: http://patterico.com/2009/07/05/is-it-verboten-to-criticize-sarah-palin-on-a-conservative-blog/
Such luminaries of right-wing ideology as Ace and Captain Ed are being blasted by the True Believers for daring to state the obvious.
Discuss.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:32 pm #
Paprika’s Pretensions has an interesting post about how the conservative blogosphere is eating itself alive
Translation: “I will now attempt to change the subject”.
Where’s Obama’s c.v., Dickie?
What are his publications?
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 4:33 pm #
“Got a link to his publication record?
Hint: autobiographies don’t count, even if there are two of them.”
I enjoyed reading his final exams.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:33 pm #
Oh, and Dickie?
You don’t get to decide what we discuss here. Nor do you get to decide what is or is not “out of band”.
Go back to your own blog if you want to do that.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:34 pm #
A final exam isn’t a publication, SFAG.
Which, of course, you knew.
Bets that those exams were actually written by TAs (or the law school equivalent)?
The man can’t even order a friggin’ cheeseburger without a teleprompter.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 4:36 pm #
“Obama is learned when he uses Keynesian style government spending as a stimulus of economic growth, a technique demonstrated to fail back in the 1930’s? That’s what you call learned? That’s what I’d call shallow.”
Man Obama so dumb he didn’t read Amity Shlaes’ book.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:37 pm #
Man Obama so dumb he didn’t read Amity Shlaes’ book.
Or any other books, as far as we can tell.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 4:38 pm #
“A final exam isn’t a publication, SFAG.”
I don’t think he’s a scholar. He doesn’t do scholarship. But I also don’t think he’s shallow or unlearned. Reports are he was a good teacher, and you can’t do that if you’re shallow or unlearned. His exams aren’t written by someone shallow and unlearned.
“Bets that those exams were actually written by TAs (or the law school equivalent)?”
What is the law school equivalent of a TA?
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 4:39 pm #
It just happened that another piece of the paper trail turned up SBP, posted in full by Ben Smith at Politico in this accompanying story.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 4:39 pm #
Richard,
You asserted you know better than Palin’s own doctor how Palin should have behaved during prenancy. Since you haven’t claimed to be a gyn/ob doctor then you must be speaking from personal experience.
So, how many babies have you brought to term that you can lecture and pass judgment on Palin or any other fecund female?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:42 pm #
Darleen: I like this part: “awful prose from a guy who can clearly write”
Clearly?
We’ve seen no evidence of it.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 4:42 pm #
Is the illiterate’s knock on Obama that he didn’t attend enough colleges on the way to his degrees from Columbia and Harvard Law? That’s an interesting way of evaluating “learning,” indeed.
I can see why some of you would rather whine about publications and reproduction than about the fact that Princess has betrayed your trust by cutting and running when things got tough, but these deflections don’t cut it with the American People. Princess Palin is toast, deal with it.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 4:46 pm #
Smith assumes what remains to be proven and erases counterevidence in the meanwhile, like Obamaphiles everywhere.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 4:46 pm #
Reports are he was a good teacher
reports from who?
for a lot of students a “good teacher” is the laid-back dude who lets the students bs in class, yuks it up with them and passes everyone with decent grades regardless of work produced.
“Popular” isn’t synonomous with “good”.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:47 pm #
I can see why some of you would rather whine about publications
Asking you to back up your assertion that Obama is “learned” isn’t whining, Dicky. It’s simply not permitting you to talk out your ass.
Do you have any objective evidence that Obama is a scholar? The fact that his voice makes your peepee tingle doesn’t count.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:48 pm #
Oh, and Dickie? You know who else has advanced degrees from two different Ivy institutions?
George W. Bush.
Guess he’s a brilliant scholar, too, huh?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:50 pm #
these deflections don’t cut it with the American People.
Yeah, I can see that the “American People” just love them some Obama.
Where do you figure he’ll be sitting by the end of the year, Dickie?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 4:52 pm #
Bush is an educated man, SBP, for whatever failings he may have. And he’s not a whiner or a victim, and he’s never been one to cut and run.
There is much to admire in Bush, not least that he went very far with very modest intellectual gifts.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:53 pm #
You know who else has advanced degrees from two different Ivy institutions?
Correction: I meant to say that he has degrees from two different Ivy institutions, just like Obama. Only one advanced degree, though.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:54 pm #
Nice condescention, Dickie.
Now how about some evidence for your claim that Obama is “learned”?
Got any?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 4:54 pm #
“reports from who?”
Students.
“for a lot of students a “good teacher” is the laid-back dude who lets the students bs in class, yuks it up with them and passes everyone with decent grades regardless of work produced.”
There’s chicago law school for you.
““Popular” isn’t synonomous with “good”.”
Probably. But who said he was popular?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 4:54 pm #
Condescension. My fingers are leading a life of their own today, it seems.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:03 pm #
What is the law school equivalent of a TA?
Why don’t you tell us, SFAG?
You’re the legal scholar around these parts.
By the way, your characterization of his final exams as outstanding is not at all universal.
Looking at the exams for the Constitutional Law class, one of the most striking features to a law professor is how conventional they are. If you put Professor Obama’s exam questions in a pile with the questions asked by me or my colleagues – or if you asked one of us to prepare model answers to his exam questions – you would not be able to guess which ones he prepared and which ones were prepared by full-time legal academics.
Stanford Law professor Pamela S. Karlan.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:09 pm #
I thought I’d seen everything, but people claiming Palin is more “learned” than Obama takes the cake. It’s probably the single most stupid claim ever made on the web.
Re: the question about where O is sitting at the end of the year, the answer is “in the Oval Office” as he’s not going to cut and run.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:12 pm #
I thought I’d seen everything, but people claiming Palin is more “learned” than Obama takes the cake.
Translation: “Since I have no evidence to back up my claim, I will now attempt to refute another claim that no one has, in fact, made.”
You lose, Dickie.
Again.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:13 pm #
No one has made such a claim that I can see. Not one person here. Why do you make things up like that?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:14 pm #
I can’t think of one. Can you?
Research assistant jobs at Stanford Law
Note this potential duty in the job description:
Possibility to serve as a teaching assistant.
You lose, SFAG.
Again.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 5:14 pm #
Now Dicky are really that stupid? Man you make a weak sauce.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:15 pm #
That’s not “shallow and unlearned.”
If he wrote them himself.
It would be interesting to compare them to the final exams given by his predecessor in the position.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 5:16 pm #
Right. He cut and ran from that job in the Senate that he promised potential voters he’d complete.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:16 pm #
You have heard of Stanford Law, SFAG?
I mean, I know it’s a low-ranked cow college and all that, but maybe its name has been mentioned in your presence at some point?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:20 pm #
What was started as a thread on Palin’s resignation turns into an Obama-basing exercise because nobody can find anything coherent to say about the actual topic.
Sad.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 5:22 pm #
Oh, so you can’t read is what you’re saying, Dickie? And you’re still here because…?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:22 pm #
Since it’s clear that Dickie is now just going to make shit up out of whole cloth, I’m out of here for a while.
I’ll come back later to check to see if Obama’s academic records have somehow materialized.
Snicker.
Can anyone think of a reason why Obama would conceal good grades at Columbia? Any reason at all?
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 5:22 pm #
That article by Obama for the “Sundial” was first brought up and posted on the internet by those “right-wing-nuts” at Free Republic back on Jan. 29th 2009.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 5:23 pm #
but people claiming Palin is more “learned” than Obama
Quote? Link? Just who has made that claim?
I will claim something .. Palin has had more life experience than the sheltered, pampered Barry.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:24 pm #
#271: No, it turned into you pulling “facts” out of your ass. Then, when called on it, you resorted to outright lying.
You lose, Dickie.
Again.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 5:26 pm #
You’re really pissed that pam karlan line sort of backfired. I like your evidence standards.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:29 pm #
Russia invades Georgia on a pretext they created themselves and Obama says:
So Georgia’s territorial integrity must be respected but the Georgian’s should show restraint while their citizens are being killed. Yet Obama is learned in the law! He knows justice being done when he sees it! He is deep!
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 5:29 pm #
Yeah, but Barry’s done way more drugs.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 5:31 pm #
Yeah, but Barry’s done way more drugs.
When he can afford them right, Oh yeah he can always call Hugo now…….
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:33 pm #
The Iranian theocracy begins killing its people in the streets, turns the nation upside down, cuts every form of communication it can get its hands on, and Obama wants the upstart Iranian people to sit down and shut up so he can get on with his personal mission to “heal the divisions” between the fascistic theocrats and the “international community”. Obama is learned in the law! He knows justice being done when he sees it! He is deep!
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:33 pm #
You’re really pissed that pam karlan line sort of backfired.
Not at all, SFAG.
Writing a final exam, even a good one, does not make you a “scholar”.
It just doesn’t.
Sorry.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:34 pm #
How about you, SFAG?
Can you give us a plausible reason why Obama would conceal a good academic record at Columbia?
Take your time.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:35 pm #
stderr made the claim that O is “shallow and unlearned” on a thread on the Palin cut-and-run. Hence, the claim implies comparison between O and the Princess. It’s about the context.
Personally, I judge a person’s learning by the totality of what they say and do, not simply on publications of a certain type. A great number of law review articles are silly and derivative, and anyone who reads that sort of thing knows it, but you can’t say that about the ones O ran while he was the editor.
O may be many things, but “unlearned” ain’t one. Certainly, it would have been better for him to get some more experience before assuming the presidency, but the People called and he answered. O is not one to cut and run.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:36 pm #
I implied no such thing. I was responding to a comment Joe had made about Obama. Idiot.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:36 pm #
Hence, the claim implies comparison between O and the Princess.
Hint: “Hence” is not a synonym for “I will now make up another lie”.
You lose, Dickie.
Again.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:36 pm #
but you can’t say that about the ones O ran while he was the editor.
The ones that Obama “ran”?
So he now gets credit for scholarship produced by other people?
You’re not even trying any more, Dickie.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:40 pm #
Right, Princess is groovy and deep, but O is “shallow and unlearned” with his Ivy degrees and teacing experience. When you make such a claim, stderr, the question is “by comparison to whom?”
Care to take that on? Just give me a conservative elected official with more “depth and learning;” Palin isn’t one, of course.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:41 pm #
Right, Princess is groovy and deep, but O is “shallow and unlearned”
Translation: “Even after being called on my lie by multiple people, I’m going to stick to it.”
You lose, Dickie.
Again.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:41 pm #
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 5:43 pm #
I like this update from the Politico piece.
I wonder does the Columbia alumni magazine get put out before it’s cover date like most magazines?
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 5:44 pm #
Wise up Bennett. You don’t impress with your misspelling names and condescension. Care to look upthread at the criticism I leveled at Palin? I don’t need you putting words into my mouth, thanks.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:45 pm #
Just give me a conservative elected official with more “depth and learning;”
It’s already been pointed out that George W. Bush has an equivalent education, Dickie.
Bill Frist, B.A. Princeton, M.D., Harvard
(real) professor of medicine at Vanderbilt.
That’s two.
Comment by geoffb on 7/5 @ 5:48 pm #
Dickie? What Dickie? (Thanx SBP) Oh, maybe “The Dickies”.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 5:49 pm #
“Writing a final exam, even a good one, does not make you a “scholar”.”
I know. I said: “I don’t think he’s a scholar. He doesn’t do scholarship.”
“The ones that Obama “ran”?”
I remember reading that he came to chicago at the urging of a right wing prof that liked the edits or suggestions that obama made to his paper. But I forget where that was from.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 5:50 pm #
Hey I was just wondering wasn’t it the greatly educated folks from the Ivy league which brought us the Fannie Ma ,Freddie Mac, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. meltdown?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 5:51 pm #
Elizabeth Dole, B.A. Duke, post-grad work at Oxford, master’s degree at Harvard, JD, Harvard Law.
Mike Crapo, JD, Harvard Law.
There are many others (including Justices Roberts and Scalia).
Comment by Joe on 7/5 @ 5:53 pm #
Don’t call me a troll. You want a troll, Mr. Bennett above is a troll. If you are not suggesting Sarah is going to run in 2012, well then fine. I hope Sarah stays involved in politics and can make a contribution. I said I am sure she could be effective in something related to conservative and engery issues, but leaving her job early was not a good sign if she was running in 2012. I think that hurt her.
If that makes me a troll, well I am up there with Ace, Capt. Ed, Allah, Vodkapundit, The Anchoress, and a host of others. I would rather be in that company.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 5:56 pm #
Mitt Romney - BA from BYU then both a JD and MBA from Harvard
Romney also took over as CEO what was the disaster-in-making of the 2002 Winter Olympics, turned it around and made it profitable.
Barry didn’t even leave any mark as a community organizer
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:57 pm #
I didn’t say “comparable depth and learning,” I said “more.” Still waiting. The point is that the GOP under Palin’s leadership is hardly the “party of learning.”
(BTW, Justices aren’t “elected officials,” and retired officials don’t count.)
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:01 pm #
Hey stupid fuck, you’ve been consistently wrong about every thing and your repetitious you-got-nothin’-I-won act is reflective of an embarrassing lack of maturity.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 6:02 pm #
I didn’t say “comparable depth and learning,” I said “more.”
Frist has an M.D. (four year degree, plus residency).
Obama has a J.D. (three year degree).
Frist was a real professor.
Obama was an untenured lecturer.
You lose, Dickie.
Again.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 6:03 pm #
That’s nice, thor.
Get back to me when you have something to say.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 6:03 pm #
Well Joe as far as I’m concerned someone who tells me I said things I never said is a troll. If you too damn busy to read and understand what someone says then don’t reply or ask for more information.
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 6:04 pm #
Richard
Does Barry have an MBA to go along with his JD?
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 6:05 pm #
btw spies, thanks for that link. I’m really enjoying reading what the law profs have to say about Obama.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:05 pm #
That the former community organizer has so deeply and emotionally scarred you is a high water mark in my book.
O!
Comment by Darleen on 7/5 @ 6:06 pm #
Bobby Jindal was a Rhodes Scholar and got his Master’s from Oxford.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 6:07 pm #
That is right. By comparison to whom.
How about by comparison to actual political radicals, rather than to yet more dull politicians? How about by comparison to thinkers rather than to politicians? Or to theorists rather than to politicians?
How about a comparison to political thinkers in Iran today, at work attempting to overthrow Khomeini’s theory of velayat e faqih, with a more humane, more democratic system?
How about a comparison with Thomas Hobbes, working to ease out the notion of the divine right of kings? How about with a comparison to James Madison and Ben Franklin, working together with others to unite the teachings of Locke and Montesquieu? How about by a comparison to Vaclav Havel, a poet, working to end the oppressive system he lived under for a fairer more open government responsive to the needs and desires of his fellow citizens?
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:12 pm #
The Dems under Obama are the party of misreading. That Syracuse U grad is a smart motherfucker, ain’t he? Heh.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:13 pm #
Or the incomparable Karl Marx working out the future leveling of the economic classes, or that unknown linguist guy, Noam Chomsky.
Haha, pppppppppppp!
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:14 pm #
Did thor just say “embarrassing lack of maturity”? Now that’s funny.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 6:14 pm #
Roscoe Bartlett, R-Maryland, PhD, former professor, holds more than 20 patents.
Eagerly awaiting Dickie’s next goal post shift.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 6:16 pm #
Frist is retired, of course. Jindal seems more a bureaucrat than a thinker, but he’s probably the best of the current GOP bench, sad as that is.
stfer, O is not a radical, he’s a prudent moderate. We’re not about revolution in the US these days, we want to patch an economy together and do some infrastructure. The people like O’s restraint and emotional stability; we’ve had too many drama queens these last few years.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:17 pm #
Barack H. Obama - the most influential leader in the world.
How’s that dagger in your gut feel? Need me to twist it a little more?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 6:17 pm #
Frist being the dude who diagnosed Teri Schiavo from the well of the Senate, of course.
Comment by sdferr on 7/5 @ 6:18 pm #
Marx on politics, sure, absolutely. Chomsky on politics? Feh.
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 6:20 pm #
Frist is retired, of course.
Bartlett isn’t.
Frist being the dude who diagnosed Teri Schiavo from the well of the Senate, of course.
And Obama being the dude who still thinks Communism works in the 21st century, of course.
Which irrational belief has had the higher death toll of the two, I wonder?
Since you’ve started shifting the goal posts again, we can safely conclude that you’ve admitted defeat.
Bye, Richard. You’ve wasted enough of my time on this lovely Sunday evening.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:22 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:35 pm #
stderr made the claim that O is “shallow and unlearned””
Not a claim.
A fact.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:23 pm #
Cite, please.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:24 pm #
“…, but you can’t say that about the ones O ran while he was the editor.”
Where are the ones he actually, you know, wrote?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:26 pm #
“I remember reading that he came to chicago at the urging of a right wing prof that liked the edits or suggestions that obama made to his paper. But I forget where that was from.”
I’m sure you do.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:28 pm #
Poor rethuglidums, down to nothing but a gaggle of deranged bitter old whiteys.
Hi, P’brain. You drool on yourself more than a drunk Saint Bernard. Fuck yourself.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:28 pm #
“Hey stupid fuck, you’ve been consistently wrong about every thing and your repetitious you-got-nothin’-I-won act is reflective of an embarrassing lack of maturity.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
What an inbred, mouth-breathing moron.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:28 pm #
Judd Gregg runs intellectual circles around Baracky. You can tell by the way he had the good sense not to get caught up in the Obama quagmire.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:29 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 5:57 pm #
I didn’t say “comparable depth and learning,” I said “more.” Still waiting. The point is that the GOP under Palin’s leadership is hardly the “party of learning.””
Gee, you ignornt cocksucker, stereotype much?
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 6:29 pm #
Roscoe Bartlett seems to be a reasonably well-educated dude. His patents are “military patents” not in the USPTO data base. I’d say he compares somewhat favorably with O, with the caveat that leaders don’t do so much engineering.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:30 pm #
Michael Steele is far more learned than Baracky. Can’t a brother eat his waffle?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:31 pm #
“O is not a radical, he’s a prudent moderate.”
He’s a reactionary fascist, you ignorant cocksucker.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:31 pm #
This one is all engineering, of the social variety.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:32 pm #
“Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:17 pm #
Barack H. Obama - the most influential leader in the world.: and the Iranian theocrats are paying how much attention to him?
None.
Zero.
Zilch, you inbred, mouth breathing moron.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:33 pm #
“Cite, please.”
Every fucking policy he’s trying to impose, you inbred, mouth breathing moren.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:33 pm #
moron.
PIMF.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 6:34 pm #
This is the first time Baracky has done any leading, though. Except for maybe that Annenberg Challenge boondoggle.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:34 pm #
“Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:28 pm #
Poor rethuglidums, down to nothing but a gaggle of deranged bitter old whiteys.
Hi, P’brain. You drool on yourself more than a drunk Saint Bernard. Fuck yourself.”
And who’s the inbred, mouth breathing moron here?
You, cocksucker.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:36 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 6:29 pm #
Roscoe Bartlett seems to be a reasonably well-educated dude. His patents are “military patents” not in the USPTO data base. I’d say he compares somewhat favorably with O, with the caveat that leaders don’t do so much engineering.”
“Leaders” like “o” don’t do much of anything, except impose fascism on our poor little country.
Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:37 pm #
Hi P’brain. Barack Obama is Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
You’re dumber than vomit.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:38 pm #
“Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:13 pm #
Or the incomparable Karl Marx…”
Yep, truly an inbred, mouth breathing moron.
Comment by abe Froman on 7/5 @ 6:39 pm #
The Brain is on fire!
Comment by newrouter on 7/5 @ 6:40 pm #
more like communist in chief
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:41 pm #
“Comment by thor on 7/5 @ 6:37 pm #
Hi P’brain. Barack Obama is Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
You’re dumber than vomit.”
Poor inbred mouth breather can’t even come up with a good insult.
Ptiful, just pitiful.
Why don’t you just go kill yourself, whore, and put us out of your misery.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 6:44 pm #
Thanks, abe, but it’s what’s called a “target rich environment”.
Comment by Rusty on 7/5 @ 6:52 pm #
Two dumbass trolls who voted for obammy beclowning themselves. I’ll have a diet coke.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 7:09 pm #
This NOBrain character is a riot, I can’t wait to see what new words he learns by the time he’s drinking age. But back to our program.
It seems to me that Obama is playing the Iran situation just about perfectly. The challenge for the US is to support whatever sort of a pro-democratic movement there is in Iran without being so aggressive about it that the Supreme Leader can write the uprising off as a product of American meddling. The CIA has a history in Iran, you see, going back to the 50s and people know about it.
Things are unfolding there as we want them to unfold: evidence of vote rigging has come to the surface, and a split has opened between the SL and the rest of the Ayatollahs. At this point, it can’t be written off as a CIA exercise, so the US and the EU can afford to get a bit more aggressive if that serves our interests.
Some drama queen Republicans, like Krauthammer, wanted to turn Iran into a circus act when that would not have been productive. But Obama’s sound temperament, competent advisers, and depth of learning led him in the right direction. Iran is a good example of sound leadership.
Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 7:17 pm #
Well, not only do I not have an advanced degree, I’ve never even set foot inside of a university classroom. I am from what we used to call the school of hard knocks. I have, however, lived long enough to know a charlatan when I see one.
My only advice to all of you is this. Hitching your waggon to any politician of ant stripe is a fools errand. It will not end well for you.
My best to all.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 7:21 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 7:09 pm #
This NOBrain character is a riot, I can’t wait to see what new words he learns by the time he’s drinking age.”
Gee, you igorant cocksucker, stereotype much?
Why don’t you get cancer and have a slow, lingering painful death?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 7:23 pm #
“It seems to me that Obama is playing the Iran situation just about perfectly.”
Only if you watch the fascist to fascist network.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 7:24 pm #
MEL!!!!
Semper Fi from a Marine Dad!
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 7:25 pm #
But Obama’s sound temperament, competent advisers, and depth of learning led him in the right direction. Iran is a good example of sound leadership.
Bwhahahahah! That is the most hilarious and stupid thing I have read today, Hell I’m still laughing. Except it’s hard to laugh when you see young women gun down by Iranian goon squads while zero goes out for ice cream. The freaking mullahs of Iran know a pencil necked weak ass geek when they see one. But, but he is very concerned and will soon write a very sternly worded letter while he blocks new sanctions at the UN.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 7:30 pm #
Which is working like a charm. You can tell by the way Khameni’s gang is calling Mousavi a US agent.
Pay attention, Dickie.
Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 7:30 pm #
Wow. I’m just now reading through all of the comments. Mr Bennet, you may be well educated, but I fear you are no gentleman. Somewhere along the way someone neglected to teach you manners. There used to be such a thing as fighting words. You have uttered a few.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 7:32 pm #
Oh yeah and I’m sure there will be another very concerned letter from Obama for the British Diplomats they have kidnapped, Oh that is right England does have a tyrannical dictatorship so zero doesn’t really like them. Never mind they have historically been our main ally.
Bam is a pussy and a pencil necked weak ass geek.
Comment by B Moe on 7/5 @ 7:33 pm #
The way I would prefer to evaluate his “learning”, and the way most employers do it, is to look at his transcripts. Unfortunately Presidents of the United States don’t seem to be held to such high standards these days.
Exactly. Except Obama won’t show us anything he has done.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 7:33 pm #
Fortunately, Obama doesn’t need to be brilliant, or even relatively bright. All he needs is his secret weapon, right Dickie?
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 7:38 pm #
I’ll bet zero can lay the lines of coke out on the mirror with precision though.
Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 7:40 pm #
Hello N’Obrain. Semper Fi. How is that young man doing. Back in the states right?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 7:41 pm #
“Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.”
Thanks, Pablo, I read that and I could feel my IQ dropping.
AS if having brown skin would make any difference to the people who killed 3,000 Americans.
And how many of them had brown skin?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/5 @ 7:43 pm #
“Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 7:40 pm #
Hello N’Obrain. Semper Fi. How is that young man doing. Back in the states right?”
Yes, sir, back in the arms of his wife and daughter, and looking to re-up, he wants to get a non-deployable position.
If he could get something at Quantico or 8th & I, it’d be great.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 7:49 pm #
The Number of muslims now living under democratically elected government 50 million thanks to the heroic United States Military and President George W Bush. So sorry Iran we now have a dictator’s bootlicker for a President, but you do have two free countries on you borders.
Comment by JHo on 7/5 @ 7:57 pm #
It seems to me that Obama was played by the Iran situation just about perfectly. Which month was it this year when he was told to piss off and sent packing? Look hard; they don’t call it MSM for nothing, Dick. I liked that part where he stood backed against the wall and nobody shook his hand.
Oh. What was I thinking? Your reputation precedes you so it’s clear you lack the motivation to see such facts when there’s bald-faced assertions to be made: It seems to you that Obama is playing the Iran situation just about perfectly.
Of course. My apologies.
Comment by JHo on 7/5 @ 7:59 pm #
His presidency.
Comment by meya on 7/5 @ 8:08 pm #
“Which is working like a charm. You can tell by the way Khameni’s gang is calling Mousavi a US agent.”
Did you hear the news from Qom today?
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 8:13 pm #
Yes. Which changes what I said how, exactly?
Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 8:13 pm #
N’Obrain
If he’s looking to ship over there are worse places to be. My nephew was at 8th & I in the 80s. Seemed like good duty. Give him my best.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 8:16 pm #
You know what mena the news from Qom today has more to do with Sistani and nothing to do with Owebama. You know Sistani the shiite living in the democratic republic of Iraq.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 8:24 pm #
Of course it has nothing to do with The Won. He’s not meddling, you see. And if he were, the Qom clerics would spit in his marvelous face.
Comment by serr8d on 7/5 @ 8:27 pm #
The U.S. was handily neutralized from effecting anything happening in Iran the day Obama took office. Because he took office.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 8:34 pm #
It really does have everything to do with him, The Shiite sect was born in Iraq and it is still recognized as the center of their religion. Here’s a small snip from wikipedia
He is a Grand Ayatollah and Twelver Shi’a marja born in Iran and residing in Iraq since 1951. He is currently the preeminent Shi’a cleric for Shia in Iraq and around the world
He is the most influential Shiite Ayatollah in the world and he supports democracy.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 8:44 pm #
And he took that position a few years back. IIRC, it was around the time Saddam was hiding in a spider hole and Baracky was condemning George Bush, whose Iraq policy he adopted once he got to sit in the big chair.
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 8:53 pm #
I personally wouldn’t favor a US invasion of Iran at the moment, but I see many of you would like to see one, as long as you aren’t called to serve, naturally. Iran has been on the brink of major reform for a while now, and it’s going to happen on its own as long as there’s not too much outside meddling. The thing is, Iranian democracy or reform is an Iranian matter, not an excuse for some grandstanding American politicians to win points with their demented constituents.
This is the lesson that Sarah Palin needs to learn: it’s not always about you. Iranian government in particular is not about the US, its about the Iranian people.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/5 @ 8:54 pm #
There won’t be no invading. Barack Obama couldn’t invade M’chelle’s ass with Hugo Chavez’s dick I don’t think.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 8:56 pm #
What gave you that asinine idea, Dickie?
Comment by serr8d on 7/5 @ 8:57 pm #
But he’s welcome any time at all up Richard’s. Just ask him.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 9:05 pm #
Well actually he was recognized even when he was under Hussein. But he was a large force in the stabilization during the “surge” (which zero also was against). The Sunni’s being in the minority in Iraq were worried because of Muqtada al-Sadr’s (remember him) militia were killing Sunnis and working with the Iranian Republican Guards special forces.
It was Sistani who OKed the Iraqi operations which cleared out Basra, Hajaf and Kerbala of the Mahdi Army and the Iranian special operators. Which finally brought the Sunni tribes into the Iraqi Government and to the election polls. He doesn’t recognize the Iran mullahs as religious leaders but as thugs and thieves. He is the reason for everything going on over there right now. Oh yeah and the fact there is a Democratic Republic on Iran’s border.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 9:07 pm #
Hajaf= Najaf
Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 9:09 pm #
I supported the liberation of Iraq. My children are all girls, so I knew they wouldn’t be called to serve. But I understand why those who opposed it feel it hasn’t gone as planned. In fact, it was nothing but a total debacle until this past year. So I wouldn’t gloat over Iraq so much, things are still pretty shaky over there.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 9:11 pm #
The thing is, Iranian democracy or reform is an Iranian matter
Bullshit Dicky you don’t know anything about Iran, Iran is controlled by a family of gangsters and thugs. It has nothing to do with the Iranian people. Its like Chicago on steroids, zero fits right in with them.
Comment by royf on 7/5 @ 9:16 pm #
In fact, it was nothing but a total debacle until this past year.
So you will provide a list of Nations with 25 million people which were freed with less that 5000 military being killed by the enemy.
You not only know nothing about Iran, it doesn’t sound as if you know anything about military campaigns either.
Comment by Pablo on 7/5 @ 9:18 pm #
There’s a question hanging for you at #373, Dickie. Are you gonna stuff that strawman, or what?
Comment by SBP on 7/5 @ 9:58 pm #
I see many of you would like to see one, as long as you aren’t called to serve, naturally.
Barky is expanding the war in Offgawneeeestawnwwwn and Pocky-stawwwwwwn, Dickie.
Given your view on “chickenhawks”, you’ll be enlisting right away, yes?
Comment by Bob Reed on 7/5 @ 10:14 pm #
“So I wouldn’t gloat over Iraq so much, things are still pretty shaky over there.”
You’re right Bennett,
Especially since the messiah has placed that idiot Biden of Arabia “in charge” of Iraq. I truly wonder if he’s hoping that Joey B will blow it so that all of the campaign criticisms of the, “ war being lost!!1!1!eleventy” will truly come to pass…
Doesn’t Ogabe realize that he owns that one too now, along with Pock-ee-stahwn, Afghan-ee-stahwn, and the economy..?
Oh, and don’t break out the chickenhawk meme…I’ve been in harms way before, and would volunteer for a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities in a New York second; eben though I believe a submarine based bunker busting nuclear missle assault is the ticket in this instance…
And since you’re breaking out the chickenhawk meme, what outfit were you in?
Comment by Mel on 7/6 @ 12:02 am #
The general purpose chicken hawk claim. OK Mr bennet, my first brush with enemy fire was at a place later named “Bloody Ridge.” Go look it up and then come back to tell me what a chicken I am. People like you make me laugh. You know nothing about the people you are talking to yet you feel comfortable making judgements about their character.
Fighting words indeed.
Comment by Speicher Dewclaw on 7/6 @ 12:31 am #
Listen, DICK…
You have NO clue what you babble about. I am in Iraq ATM and can honestly tell you that you arent even close to being right about anything.
Shut your hole.
Comment by Rusty on 7/6 @ 5:17 am #
supported the liberation of Iraq. My children are all girls, so I knew they wouldn’t be called to serve.
Got news for ya women, girls can be in the military now. Really! It’s true! And it’s all voluntary! Wow. huh.
But I understand why those who opposed it feel it hasn’t gone as planned. In fact, it was nothing but a total debacle until this past year.
No large undertaking ever goes as planned, especially military ones. When was the Anbar awakening again 06, 07?
So I wouldn’t gloat over Iraq so much, things are still pretty shaky over there.
really. By whos parameters. I know. You really miss Saddam.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 7/6 @ 9:46 am #
Bennett seems marginally less crazy in this marathon threat than in the previous one. Maybe that’s because this one wound up being less about Palin than Obama. Mostly his comments wind up not being worth reading, and make me feel as if I need a shower.
Obama is a reasonably well-educated fellow who probably falls a bit short of being considered a legitimate Constitutional scholar, but otherwise is fairly knowledgeable. I’d credit him with some knowledge, while disagreeing with him in some or even most of the particulars.
Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Rhodes Scholar is a cool thing to be, but sometimes it’s just not enough to keep you from self-destructing. Wes Clark was a Rhodes Scholar, as was Robert Reich (who has a gig doing constipated NPR commentary) and Rachel Maddow, who sometimes manages not to be Keith Olbermann’s younger sister.
Palin is modestly educated, and not my favorite candidate for President or VP. Her debates with Biden were mostly, IMO, a race to see who could trample most on their crank. Joe won that race, partly because he’s an inveterate crank-trampler. But Palin scored pretty high points for bluffing with a busted flush. I like her, but I don’t think she’s quite executive material. I don’t think the school of life is quite the preparation we’d want for an executive position. As I consider Charlie Crist to be mostly an empty suit, I’d have to put the same stamp on Sarah Palin (Crist actually completed a law degree). Which doesn’t mean I don’t like her; just that she’s rather lacking in substance and understanding.
Comment by Rusty on 7/6 @ 3:24 pm #
#385
Obama is a reasonably well-educated fellow who probably falls a bit short of being considered a legitimate Constitutional scholar, but otherwise is fairly knowledgeable. I’d credit him with some knowledge, while disagreeing with him in some or even most of the particulars.
Slart. I find the average PW poster more intelligent and better informed. But for a Chicago political machine hack he’s right up there.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/6 @ 6:56 pm #
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 7/5 @ 8:53 pm #
I personally wouldn’t favor a US invasion of Iran at the moment, but I see many of you would like to see one, as long as you aren’t called to serve, naturally”
Fuck you, Richard, the horse you rode in on and all the Hussars trotting along behind.
My son is a Marine, and if you actually read these threads instead of just showing up and shitting on Jeff’s carpet, you’d have noticed the exchange between Mel and myself.
BTW, fuckweasel, Matt the Marine just returned from a tour in an FOB in Afghanistan.
So, like I always tell whore, you’re not good enough to lick the sand from my sons combat boots.
FOAD, you inbred, mouth-breathing moron.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/6 @ 6:57 pm #
Comment by Mel on 7/5 @ 8:13 pm #
Ooo-rah, sir, from a Marine Corps Dad, and I will gladly pass along your well wishes.