Military coup in Honduras? Not really
Yesterday the Central American country was being pressured to restore the authoritarian Mr. Zelaya by the likes of Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hillary Clinton and, of course, Hugo himself. The Organization of American States, having ignored Mr. Zelaya’s abuses, also wants him back in power. It will be a miracle if Honduran patriots can hold their ground. [...]That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.
But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.
It took eight days, being embarrassed by John McCain and the viral video of Neda’s brutal murder by Iranian government thugs to prode Obama into making his first statements ostensibly supporting the democratic rights of protesters to peacefully dissent; but only a couple of days to rail against the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court for following their own constitution
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Monday declared that the United States still considers Manuel Zelaya to be the president of Honduras and assailed the coup that forced him into exile as “not legal,” widening the chasm between the Central American nation and much of the rest of the world. [...]The country now has another president appointed by its Congress, Roberto Micheletti, who insisted that Zelaya was removed legally by the courts and Congress for violating Honduras’ constitution and attempting to extend his own rule.
Zelaya tried to illegally conduct a vote and Obama’s careful comment is:
Obama said the U.S. must always “stand with democracy” even if doesn’t like the results of elections.
Obama quote today
President Barack Obama dismissed critics of his ambitious agenda as naysayers on Monday and vowed to have health care, energy and financial regulation initiatives in place by the end of the year.“Then we have a whole other year after that,” Obama told about 400 cheering top Democratic Party fundraisers.
Interesting how Obama views Rule of Law and how he counts Chavez, Castro and Zelaya as friends. Obama is certainly confident his Transforming America is a done deal, whether or not American citizens want it.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/29 @ 8:14 pm #
While kids die in Iran and Barack Obama tries to advance the dirty socialist cause in Honduras on behalf of his mentor Hugo Chavez, Meghan’s coward daddy’s whore daughter is thinking Mark Sanford is really kind of a neat guy I wonder if he likes fat chicks maybe I should shave my legs.
Comment by lee on 6/29 @ 8:28 pm #
I wonder if our military will be compelled to follow Honduras example in the future.
I don’t see Obama leaving easy when the time comes…
Comment by geoffb on 6/29 @ 8:39 pm #
Motto of the Progressive Left. Thugs ‘R Us. They are just more out of the closet since January. Jimmy Carter showed the way.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/29 @ 8:42 pm #
Good post title Darleen,
‘Cuz it’s clear that Obama is just jealous, and envies Zelaya for being so close, so delociously close, to ruling by fiat like he’d love to…
And while most are shocked Shocked!, that O! would move so quickly to side with Zelaya when it took more than a week to issue what was ultimately a weak statement of support for the Iranian protesters, I doesn’t surprise me a bit…
I mean, he’s always been drawn to radical communists such as Alinsky, Ayers, Wright, and Farrahkan; what’s so different about Chavez’s puppet Zelaya? And it’s completely laughable that he’d use the word “democracy” to describe a totalitarian coronation, in a country whose constitution forbade the same…
No, it’s textbook Obama. The dictatorial commies are cast as “democrats”, while the Iranians struggling for freedom were “violent protesters”…
Just like cap-n-tax is a “jobs” bill, and Obamacare will stimulate the economy…
Just Words!?!
That’s all they ever are with O!…
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/29 @ 8:43 pm #
i wish i had me some envy
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/29 @ 8:51 pm #
Tangential to the topic,
Is Obama abandoning Iraq; on purpse maybe..?
http://tiny.cc/eEslI
Just for info…
You’ll now return to the germaine thread commentary…
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 8:55 pm #
It is weakness on Obama’s part. He assumed the USA would be blamed for meddling in Honduras, so he and Hillary meddle in Honduras. This is the backlash of waiting too long to support democracy in Iran.
And the left will thank him for doing so. To see a US president cowtow to Castro and Chavez and to see such hypocrisy from the left. It just makes you sick.
Comment by Pablo on 6/29 @ 9:05 pm #
Obama:
Clinton:
Most competent administration evah!
Comment by Pablo on 6/29 @ 9:06 pm #
Whoops! Clinton.
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:20 pm #
Do you think that was intentional on Hillary’s part? A bit of distancing from Da One?
Perhaps there is a reason she is still on Michelle’s enemy list.
Comment by geoffb on 6/29 @ 9:27 pm #
So who ya gonna believe? The constitutionally elected authorities of the country or El Supremo Presidente Zelaya?
Obama votes we not believe our “lying eyes.”
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:28 pm #
…with Oprah.
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:29 pm #
It is almost like a tiny Bill Ayers sits on his shoulder and tells him things to do.
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:29 pm #
Bill Ayers is on my enemy list.
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Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:36 pm #
Hmmmm, if you were taking some sort of scholastic test, what does this have in common with some current events.
Comment by Joe on 6/29 @ 9:48 pm #
And we have leaders like this?
Now I want to punch Sanford in the face.
I haven’t felt that strongly about a politician since Howard Dean.
Comment by dash rendar on 6/29 @ 9:57 pm #
Barky is a lefist dipshit what sucks at the teat of thuggery…whadayaknow.
Comment by MikeD on 6/29 @ 10:54 pm #
Military coup in Honduras? Not really.
But we could use one here.
Build it and they will come! Coming to a theatre near you!
Only the timing is in question now.
Comment by Joe on 6/30 @ 12:27 am #
MikeD, that would be a disaster…but the seeds for that sort of chaos are being set.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/30 @ 12:57 am #
irish potatos are turned into freedom fries,,,
only in amerikka…
{i like drive thru!)
Comment by bear1909 on 6/30 @ 12:58 am #
I say Soetoro’s own backers will bag his sorry patoot once all this legislative garbage is passed and the Fed is running the country. No one else could have done this takeover. It has been played perfectly and the entire Congress is on the payroll along with the alphabet media. NO NEWS COVERAGE on any legislative developments, or expenditures…. just infomercial icons, Michael The Junkie, and the Funeral Plans.
We’re reduced to signing petitions and going to Tea Parties.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/30 @ 1:04 am #
tatya rummages thru my back seat and hordes ketchup packages
to sell back home…
she thinks i don’t know…
she’s a cutie!
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/30 @ 1:26 am #
loose usa bums
sadley mistaken by some..
we got the aplomb!
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/30 @ 1:33 am #
aplomb…
i love that woid!
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Comment by pdbuttons on 6/30 @ 1:38 am #
i can smell russia from my fence..
that stoopid rooskies i hired had to build twice..
but we all got drunk and salivated over sarah palin..
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 3:03 am #
Get your ass kicked at poker again, thor?
Comment by alppuccino on 6/30 @ 3:42 am #
Disney’s got a new action movie coming out about Obama: The Do-over Kid
Comment by Carin on 6/30 @ 4:09 am #
The Honduras military made me proud! They swore to uphold their constitution, not their president. Just like our military.
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 4:14 am #
And O! continues to side with the fascists.
Comment by rickinstl on 6/30 @ 4:28 am #
Anyone know if thor is a large person? Like,stuck in the bathtub once so reduced to using one of those little mops and a bucket for bathing large? It seems to me that his kind of third-grade nastiness could only come from someone who had been hoisted out of his own bathtub by a snickering gang from the fire dept. Thanks for that mental image idiot.
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 5:07 am #
I tend to think of him as rather small. In every way.
Comment by rickinstl on 6/30 @ 5:14 am #
Could be. “Large”, “small”. The words that don’t really come to mind are “normal”, “adult”, and “human”.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 5:24 am #
From the WSJ:
I’m ashamed of Teh Won.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 5:31 am #
Obama’s just plain ‘ol dumb. If you gave him a map and asked him to point to Honduras I guarantee he stick his finger on Lichtenstein. The evidence? Well, there’s tons, start with selecting Foot-in-mouth Biden, move to being the President of all 56 states for the next 10 years and then go on from there.
He’s reading off some teleprompter which message was typed my some leftist advisor that does know what’s going on down there who thinks the fascist overlord was just the Bee’s Knees!
From now on I’d suggest not looking at Obama as some socialist/fascist agenda driven, power hungry dictator-in-waiting but rather as a stupid tool being used by a bunch of leftists who are all of those things. Because, in reality, he’s everything Bush was, only amplified.
Comment by donald on 6/30 @ 5:59 am #
Thor wears birkenstocks. That’s all you need to know.
Comment by serr8d on 6/30 @ 6:03 am #
Oh, yes, thor is a very, very large and respected person. I hear also that he’s high-minded, noble, chivalric, and conducts himself in a manner found most pleasant to all he encounters; as is the wont of Progressive O!bamanites ’round the country.
Or not.
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 6:04 am #
Yow! serr8d! How about a NSFW on there next time. Jeez.
Comment by serr8d on 6/30 @ 6:05 am #
Not who I’m thinking of punching, really.
Comment by serr8d on 6/30 @ 6:07 am #
Now, B Moe, that thing’s clothed. Much unlike when it’s posting here, I’ll warrant.
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 6:11 am #
On one side, the Honduran Constitution, Supreme Court, Congress (including the former Presidents own party) and the Armed Forces. On the other…Zelaya (with cheering from Chavez, Castro and that forgettable guy in Quito).
Not really reassuring that the first group gets the immediate raspberry from this Administration. It looks like more weakness and apologetics rather than backing the democratic institutions of Honduras. Kind of embarassing for us in the long run, I think.
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 6:14 am #
Oh, and would it be too much to ask if we didn’t have yet another thread run into the ground by non-stop troll back and forth? It wants attention, no matter how negative. And you are all giving it in spades.
Please, lets try to actually discuss the topic that Darleen has posted.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 6:21 am #
I agree, LTC John, even as entertaining as thor is. Darleen shouldn’t put up with the abuse.
Comment by serr8d on 6/30 @ 6:41 am #
No, she should not have to put up with the abuse. I don’t know where Jeff is right now, but if you look Darleen’s the only person keeping PW’s lights on, and deserves someone having her back. I can’t just sit here reading Tom’s crap and not respond; just not my nature.
Comment by Matt on 6/30 @ 6:46 am #
My ignorance of the nuances of the Honduran constitution forces me to simply look at who’s on what side of the argument.
In the red corner: Zelaya, Chavez, Castro, Obama
In the blue corner: Honduran constitution, Honduran people.
The people in the blue corner had me at “hugo chavez”
Comment by C on 6/30 @ 6:48 am #
If you merely delete all of sore’s off-topic comments, the problem would be solved.
Comment by Carin on 6/30 @ 6:49 am #
That was me.
Comment by Carin on 6/30 @ 6:52 am #
Bill Bennett had some interesting discussions about this today. Obama’s gone from firmly on the wrong side of this issues, to Hillary’s “no statement yet” … which is just a fucking joke.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 7:06 am #
One is reminded of the left’s victim mentality. It’s an offshoot of character disorder.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 7:08 am #
For a grown man you sure do cry a lot. Seems at your age you’d have something better to do than post fiery hick-dumb posts all over the internet, not counting that idiot web site of yours.
And Freeper, your God can also blow me.
Comment by Joe on 6/30 @ 7:18 am #
thor, leave Darleen alone.
Oh, and your mom called. She needs you to come out of the basement and take out the trash. And take your ADD medicine.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 7:18 am #
Actually too many here mirror the “left’s” victim mentality, most even take their victimization one step further.
At each end of the political spectrum there’s a bunch of howlers with a screw missing, Serr8d would be a prime example.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 7:24 am #
That’s rich.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 7:25 am #
As if your off-topic comments make everyone’s life complete.
Comment by Reason on 6/30 @ 7:28 am #
If you actually contributed to topics anymore thor I’m sure you’d get less flack.
Comment by Danger on 6/30 @ 7:34 am #
It seems that someone did not like the topic being discussed so he elected to hijack the thread.
Thor,
If you have a defense of Zelaya’s actions or the Presidents support of them then “pony up”.
Otherwise, find someplace else to trash.
Comment by Squid on 6/30 @ 7:34 am #
A man of manners, intelligence and breeding would have fucked off after the 127th or 128th time he was asked to fuck off.
Just saying, is all.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 7:36 am #
True embarrassment is America’s long list of fuck-ups in Central America. Better to let the grown-ups sort this one out, John.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 7:36 am #
So thor,
What do you think about this Honduras thing? How can your boy O! back Zelaya, especially when the Z-man was going to do away with their constitution by fiat..?
How can he back a Chavez lovin, totalitarian jonesin’, wannabe dictator dickhead, against the wishes of just about everyone else in Honduras, but then spout some lame pablum about “democracy!”..?
Really thor, it took him nearly 2 weeks to say more about the Iran thing than to basically call the protesters a violent lot, and condemn them more than a regime that eseentially engaged in the good ol’ Soviet style of election; you know, the one where the incumbent always got 99.6% of the vote…
Seriously thor, I’ve respected you right to the opinion that O! is all taht and a bag of chips…
So please, explain to me his motivation, the Judgement!, the Brilliance!, and the Smart Power! here…
He’s your guy, so O!wn it…
Tell all us hick-tard, rethuglidum, racist, trolls what the nuance we are missing is…
Comment by MarkD on 6/30 @ 7:47 am #
I wonder if Obama’s ordered his ballots yet? Very convenient, one choice, already filled in. Presumably ACORN will distribute them with the census.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 7:54 am #
Now we get a glimpse into the child’s mind. He has ‘guts’ because he anonymously assembles letters in an ordered fashion in an internet forum. Yay!
Comment by serr8d on 6/30 @ 7:54 am #
thor, Tom, somebody’s knocking.
You gonna let ‘em in?
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 7:59 am #
Every thread dissolves into the metanarrative of Obama as Great Pumpkin of evil, well, unless it’s one of Darleen’s threads. Said metanarrative is generally all her threads consist of.
Seeing how you seem sincere in your request of giving a nod to the topic, most everyone here is a knee-jerk right-wing reactionary so the mere mention of Castro and Chavez will set them off like a string of Blackcats. There will be no mention of military intervention having rarely been beneficial in Central America’s past nor will there be any references to the unstable characteristics of fledgling democracies. The swamp here is only knee deep.
But let’s pretend we care enough about Honduras and Central America to actually discuss the county’s current kerfuffle. Seems to me both sides have valid arguments to make. One could hold out Clinton’s insistence on the reinstatement of Jean Bertrand Aristide as American precedent in respecting the legitimately elected President, or one could make the argument that the current handling of Honduran internal affairs should be allowed to run its course without our intervention on the behalf of any of the principals.
I think we should remain neutral while reviewing the facts.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:07 am #
Hi, slugger. I don’t care if you know my name. What are you gonna do, steal it.
Shit dude, be a man. Quit your girly dancing around. Your a nut, we get it.
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 8:07 am #
I guess to atone for the evil of the United Fruit Company, we will have to now, and forever more, back any Leftist putsch vs. a Constitution, Supreme Court, Congress and Armed Forces of a representative government.
Sounds like a bad deal for the Hondurans at the moment.
That is a really weak, really cringing and really non-confident manner in which to support “democracy”. At least it appears that the Sec State has enough good sense to cringe in some shame, where the POTUS is ready to jerk the left knee and bask in the approval of…?
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:08 am #
Your = You’re
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 8:09 am #
Here’s a good IBD editorial discussion of the Honduran affair, and the administrations plan to withold aid if Zelaya is not reinstated…
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=331168876783926
Personaaly? I applaud the Hondurans for recognizing the onset of tyranny, or at least Zelaya’s intent, and taking swift action to prevent the scrapping of their constitution…
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:09 am #
Having reviewed the facts I think we should not remain neutral. A lot of things make you nauseating, thor, not least of which is your unending indulgence of your own stereotypes. Having been confronted with fact after fact after fact, you find as many ways to bullshit those in attendance as your President.
See, O! isn’t a creep because he’s a Dem (but it helps). He’s a creep because he has no discernible, consequential moral fiber as these episodes amply demonstrate. Having reviewed the facts I think we should not remain neutral.
Comment by Danger on 6/30 @ 8:10 am #
“I think we should remain neutral while reviewing the facts.”
But that is not what President Obama did; he used the coup word, I would not call that neutral.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/30 @ 8:11 am #
Barack Obama likes to remain neutral while doing everything possible to advance the dirty socialist cause of his dirty socialist boyfriend Hugo Chavez what he has a big fat dirty socialist crush on I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/30 @ 8:15 am #
Zelaya is gone gone gone and ain’t nothing our weak-assed piece of shit dictator-loving dicklick of a president can do about it cause of he is weak and also a dicklick and the more dirty socialist dick he licks the more and more his poll numbers drop and drop.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 8:15 am #
Inactivity, the last refuge of the scoundrel, or something.
thor claims to have guts for anonymously posting and chickens out at every opportunity for taking a stand that has consequences.
On balance, a coward.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 8:15 am #
So thor,
If you believe we should remain neutral, what do you think of Obama’s threats to withold aide unless Zelaya is reinstated?
I mean, that’s not what the Hondurans apparently want. And furthermore, while being cast as a “military” coup by the media, no General sits as president; but in fact the Honduran congress has appointed an intermediate one…
Chavez and Castro apparently have the assent of their people to be dictators for life; so be it, time will tell how well they wear it-and what happens in Cuba when Castro dies. But if we respect the right of theri peoples to choose dictators, shouldn’t we respect the rights of the Hondurans to choose the rule of law over a wannabee dictator?
Seems like your man O! is on the wrong side of this one, that’s all I’m sayin’…
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:17 am #
Or to put it another way, thor, defend O! on points and principles. Why exactly would anyone bearing the official capacity to make a major position statement first leave the attempted revolution against one trannical, fundamentalist American enemy unaddressed for half a month, but immediately jump in to defend a justly, constitutionally ousted tyrant elsewhere?
Because of respect for rule of law as it applies only to anti-democratic ways and means? I guess that follows because otherwise the consistency just isn’t there.
Obama is a weak man, thor. It’s written all over the world by now — his budding diplomatic style is a disgrace to himself and unfortunately, to us all.
Comment by Ric Locke on 6/30 @ 8:17 am #
Pah.
In order to atone for supporting thugs, dictators, and tyrants because they aren’t Leftists, we must support thugs, tyrants and dictators because they are Leftists. Change!
I propose that the GLBTT2ABCDGOLDFISH
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:17 am #
JHo, as is the case with Colombia, there may be no Hollywood heroes among the actors in Honduras.
Sometimes it’s wiser to sit back and watch it unfold.
I don’t think Chavez’s intervening helps the situation but it doesn’t seem to me he can do anything but huff and puff. Let the principals take it to the OAS and allow them to render a judgment, that’s what that thing is for.
Comment by Ric Locke on 6/30 @ 8:18 am #
…incorporate themselves as “United Fruits”. Bring a little clarity to the situation, no?
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 6/30 @ 8:20 am #
Shhhhh…danger. Thor’s lips are firmly around O!bamas nuts at the present. No FACTS that are counter to Thor’s delusions are allowed to be presented. He just loves him so O! The projection is amazing, though. Everything, and I do mean everything, he spews about the commentators here is what he lives in regards to his O!. BTW, I 100% agree with him in regards to the United States’ past interfering into central and south American politics. However, I’m not a hypocrtie, so I can say that Obama is now interfering.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 8:21 am #
But let’s pretend we care enough about the Thirteen Colonies to actually discuss their current kerfuffle. Seems to me both sides have valid arguments to make. One could hold out the Crown’s insistence on the reinstatement of local governmors as British precedent in respecting the legitimately appointed rulers, or one could make the argument that the current handling of the Colony’s internal affairs should be allowed to run its course without our intervention on the behalf of any of the principals.
I think we should remain neutral while reviewing the facts.
thor, circa 1775
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:23 am #
Oh fuck off — this is about siding on the right side, fool. Enough of your warping everything into yet another of your cartoons so as to wage your straw war. Giving you any chance is a waste of time. We’d be better talking smokeless black powder.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 6/30 @ 8:23 am #
And I can spell hypocrite. Really, I can.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:26 am #
O-Infidel, you’re back! Man hug! I knew you couldn’t stay mad at me forever.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:31 am #
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Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:23 am #
JHo, as is the case with Colombia, there may be no Hollywood heroes among the actors in Honduras.
Oh fuck off — this is about siding on the right side, fool. Enough of your warping everything into yet another of your cartoons so as to wage your straw war. Giving you any chance is a waste of time. We’d be better talking smokeless black powder.
You catching this LTC John? JHo’s packing your ruck sack and making travel plans to send you off for an adventurous excursion into a machete war. Hey, that’s what are friends for.
JHo is America’s newly elected gunboat diplomat!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 8:32 am #
“Let the principals take it to the OAS and allow them to render a judgment…”
The OAS!?!
Should they trump Honuras national soveriegnty moreso than anyone else thor? That’s not a road I would like to go down. This isn’t a dispute between nations…
Are you one that believes taht the UN should be able to intervene in matters of governance here too?
The people have spoken thor. If you support Venezualens right to have Chavez, and Cubans rights to Castro, then either it is si with the Hondurans, or, you know, you’re engaging in situation ethics at bets…
or hypocrisy…
C’mon man, use your intellect here. You have to see the flaws in O!’s position here…
Admit it! The truth shall set you free…
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 8:38 am #
thor is, at heart, a coward. He finds his courage in standing up, anonymously, to… Darleen? When it comes to choosing sides between a wannabe dictator and the courts/congress/people/military of Honduras he chooses..to watch?
His picture is next to ‘limp dick’ in the dictionary.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:42 am #
Bob, Cuba aint’ in the OAS, lest you forget. And yeah, Fidel just got an invite and pulled a W.C. Fields by concluding that no club that’d have ‘em is worth joining. Irony is a two-way street on that one, eh.
The OAS isn’t only for trade disputes. Wonnie Weagan held up a OAS document with four signatures (all of which were paid for by the CIA, yea bagmen!) and held it up as his golden invitation to invade the Spice Island, Grenada!
Again, let all the principals confer and mediate. We are a principal, but we’re not the only one.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:44 am #
Wrong.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:46 am #
Because, you know:
1. O! is advocating machete wars if he supports constitutional democracy.
2. Supporting constitutional democracies means machete wars.
3. We can’t be having us no violence. 1776!
4. Look bunnies.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:50 am #
The point of the OAS invite, thor, isn’t Castro’s ensuing tantrum. In this context it’s your boi Zelaya.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:50 am #
Anytime Darleen feels the need she can email me or ring my digits, I ain’t that anonymous.
JHo, read before you hyperlink. Didn’t you learn anything from the days of my pounding Karl for that?
Comment by alppuccino on 6/30 @ 8:55 am #
tool of the United States.
In other news, Cuba wins “Obama Nickname” sweepstakes.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 8:57 am #
thor, read my hyperlink.
So Obie’s peeing on Zelaya, in short, and that by not peeing on Zelaya. As with you, we see that Obie demonstrates that eternally having no point makes for a universal perception of pointlessness. Get it yet?
Try and keep up, chinless.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 8:58 am #
More internet courage!
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 8:59 am #
This may come as a shock, JHo, but Honduras isn’t filled with Ohio Republicans. I hope your chair held up.
There are really good reasons that the masses in Central America vote for Socialist parties and politicians, none of which are the banana hackers just don’t get the beauty of capitalism. They get it, JHo. They even know who Wonnie Weagan was. They wear Nikes, drink Coke, grab their crotches like Michael Jackson, all that.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:00 am #
More cartoons, thor. Yawn.
This thread about you? Again? Where’d I leave my program…
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 9:01 am #
“Fidel just got an invite and pulled a W.C. Fields by concluding that no club that’d have ‘em is worth joining…
That’s pretty funny thor, I thought they were readmitted at the end of May…I’ll have to check, but, If I’m wrong; as a gentleman I will of course admit to talking BS…
Oh, in case you didn’t realize it, you’re spellin’ Reagans name incorrectly; I’m sure it’s just typos, my comments are rife with them lately!
But as for Grenada, the legitimate government was overthrown by a junta trained in Cuba, and who were essentially Castro’s puppets. It differs from Honduras in that when the smoke cleared an unelected, and unappointed by any legislative body, military officer was dictator. The US was acting in it’s own interests as well as those of other nations who feared the now controlling junta…
It wasn’t action taken by the legislature, courts, and Grenadan military against someone who’d tried to declare themselves presidente for life. Gairy had been re-elected in 76, and Bishop and his thugs siezed power while he was out of the country in 79…
Reagan didn’t take action until some other memeber states began to fear that Bishop was planning to export the Cuban style revolution to their counties next…
So I’m sorry old bean, there’s just no comparison between Grenada then and Honduras today…
And you still haven’t told us which nuance we’re too rube-ish to understand here…
Judgement!, Brilliance!, Smart Power!
O!
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 9:07 am #
The weirdest thing about Grenada, if my memory serves, is that the fine Marxist pal of Fidel’s that your referring to was assassinated about a week before we went into Grenada. You really have to keep up with the body count and toe tags in some of these banana island political throw downs, Bob.
Comment by Ric Locke on 6/30 @ 9:12 am #
…and you also have to realize that a large group of Cuban engineers, each equipped to drill many, many holes suitable for an 8mm tap, does not constitute “intervention” in thorspeak.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 9:16 am #
If Honduras asked for help against a Venezulan attack, and if SOUTHCOM needed my help – sure, I’d help stop the Venezulans.
I’d rather stay home with my family and my civilian career, but I’ve had to go several times before to contigencies, man made or otherwise.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 9:18 am #
Grenada was a Cowboy Reagan disaster on every level.
They just named that airport that we lied about and killed people over after the slain hero Maurice Bishop. I had heard that they were going to build a monument to the Cubans who died at the hands of the imperialist American invaders, but the airport re-naming is new news to me. Funny. Yep.
These banana island people aren’t Ohio Republicans, I tell ya!
Comment by geoffb on 6/30 @ 9:20 am #
From JHo’s link,”
Every day and in every way the Obama administration is vividly illustrating the fact that on the Left all statements, all glorious proclamations of principles, all recitations of dearly held beliefs, all sounds emanating from the proximity of the mouth of a person of the Left are “just words”. “Full of sound and fury; signifying nothing”, except their lust for power.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 9:20 am #
Yeah thor, I’ve heard of the CIA/Bishop assasination trooofs! before, many years ago. But it was his own underlings, that were double-crossing a double crosser more than likely; maybe he’s become too bourgeois for their taste!
Sometimes gangsters gain promotion by murdering their superiors. But I admit my memory is fuzzy on events of 25 years ago. I’ll look it up later today…
Oh and I admit to being wrong about Cuba being anything more than invited to OAS. You were correct in that instance, and I thought the use of the WC Fields line a pretty delicious reference…
Now that’s affirmation baby!
Now, what about O!’s prefernce for wishful tyrants that try to engineer themselves into lifelong jobs, over the will of the innocent Honduran people..? Hmmmmm?
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:23 am #
Now that the thread has again been deflected to thor’s eternal namecalling his strawmen cartoons, how about that constitutionally approved overthrow in Honduras? Gotta hand it to them Central Americans, I’ll say.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 9:26 am #
Look, Bob, JHo, Carin, LTC John, et al, you ain’t Honduran. You ain’t got no skin in the game.
Everything is a freakin’ Spaghetti Western with you people. But it shouldn’t be.
Showing respect actually means respecting both who you like and dislike politically.
Comment by alppuccino on 6/30 @ 9:27 am #
you ain’t Honduran.
Not yet, at least.
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 9:29 am #
my god he’s such a tool, he can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said a million times by some sophomore leftest or dem pol.
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 9:30 am #
The Fat Guy in Caracas will thunder forth, the Castros will bloviate, belching and squeaking will possibly be heard from Quito, Clinton will trtiangulate and be cautious, and we may hear some more impotent muttering from the White House….but the Hondurans will still have their Congress, Constitution, Supreme Court and Armed Forces intact.
When the current Administration wants to back off the Cuban totalitarian state embargo, etc. I don’t think they will exactly send in the Marines or embargo Honduras.
While embarassing for the US, their stance is ultimately one that will result in little to no action whatsoever. So the Hondurans do have that going for them.
Comment by LTC John on 6/30 @ 9:32 am #
And Tom, you have skin in the game? I guess you aren’t qualified to hold an opinion on Iraq or Afghanistan by your rule. Or Honduras.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:33 am #
thor @109. Read: Democracy and constitutions are great for us (because we can trash them) but not for brown peeps.
Don’t you have any idea how repugnant that is? Especially with Hondurans making the decision to reform their own government? You’re still a fool — I’ve heard it all before, especially the countless, innumerable iterations of your cartooned John Wayne ‘Mericans, you jackass.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:34 am #
And that’s rich too.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 9:35 am #
What! I’ve been trying to play nice! That isn’t easy with you nasty little peckers (oops).
It may turn out that the Honduran courts and senate have the support of the people and that our State Department’s initial concerns were misplaced.
Who the fuck knows! It’s a “fluid situation,” as the ambassador corps like to call these mud puddle and malaria affairs.
Comment by Pablo on 6/30 @ 9:36 am #
It’s thoresque is all. Repugnant R Us.
Comment by alppuccino on 6/30 @ 9:36 am #
More people disapprove of Barackolypse than approve of him now. I don’t envy that. It feels trendy to me.
Comment by alppuccino on 6/30 @ 9:38 am #
Probably about time to change that little smiley Obama-head to a frowny one there Rassmussy.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:38 am #
Then why are you here, polluting the parlor?
Comment by MrJimm on 6/30 @ 9:41 am #
Obama is laying the groundwork for when HE will hold a public referendum on amending the constitution to extend his rule beyond two terms (his election being guaranteed by ACORN, or whatever they call themselves now).
After he packs the Supreme Court with justices who insist on interpreting the Constitution in light of “foreign laws & customs”, he’ll need a few “precedents” for them to base their ruling on. Hence, Honduras.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 9:43 am #
You can’t defend him, can you thor…
So, it simply boils down, “O! said it, I believe it, and that Settles it!”…
That’s pretty pathertic, and far less than I have come to expect out of you thor…
You won’t even try to explain the Judgement!, Brilliance!, or Smart Power!, will you…
It’s pretty straightforward. Zelaya wants to be presidente again, his constitution forbids it, with Chavez’s help he tries to do it anyway, and the congress, courts, and military choose to enforce the constitutional mandate. The interim president is appointed by their congress; a nation of laws uses them to avoid a constitutional crisis…
And you try to make it sound like Mayor Bloomberg strongarming the NYC city council into letting him run for a third term…
Instead, you tell us to stop casting it as a spaghetti western and that we ain’t got no skin in the game…
O!wn the actions of your man; at least explain why he’s more comfortable with Chavez, Dinnerjacket, and Fidel than the constitutional impeachment of a would-be tyrant…
We gots to know, Homes!
Comment by Col thor on 6/30 @ 9:45 am #
I didn’t fart in your eyes.
All I’m saying is it’s juvenile to believe that one’s immediate reaction to every dust up in a foreign land should be to open a can of whup ass on ‘em.
Remembering what Celine said of the streets, I say let the locals take it to the street for awhile.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 9:49 am #
Cite?
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 9:52 am #
We’re not asking for O! to open a can of whup-ass on ‘em thor…
Just for the American President to support the people, and elected intitutions, of a nation of laws removing a wannabe tyrant who thought he was above those laws; you know, supporting democracy!
Why has he backed Chavez’s guy instead?
O!wn it!
And you know what really pisses me off? I’ve never read Celine so I don’t know whether your quotation is apropo!
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 9:58 am #
First of all, it’s Mr. Holmes to you. Scroll above to my comment to Danger about how every thread dissolves into Obama as Great Pumpkin of evil. “As well it should!” just rang in my ears.
Think back to Grenada and your glorious navy accidentally raining shells on our own ground troops. I’m sure glad we knew the names of those that died of friendly fire, because the memory of your name is all that’s left of ya when a high-explosive shell the size of a Toyota hits you in the back of the head.
Comment by Pablo on 6/30 @ 9:59 am #
It’s in the fever dreams, JHo, right next to his romantic prowess.
Comment by thor on 6/30 @ 10:07 am #
I just had a serious thought that led to a question: What happens to those soldiers who die and there’s simply no remains remaining? Do they bury an empty casket?
Comment by Pablo on 6/30 @ 10:11 am #
More fever dreams.
Comment by JHo on 6/30 @ 10:15 am #
Smokeless black powder > pet central Americans > Rethuglican cartoons > friendly fire > O! > wingered cartoons > rage > Stormoviks > invading Los Angeles > xianist cartoons > Reagan > rage > Russian air superiority > hot Brazilian chicks > Mommy > reloading the .410 double barreled pump.
Adds up to me.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 6/30 @ 10:16 am #
>blockquote>O-Infidel, you’re back! Man hug! I knew you couldn’t stay mad at me forever.
I was never gone?!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 10:19 am #
“…your glorious navy…”
Nah, they woudln’t let me drive anything larger than an aluminum cloud thor…
And such incidents as you mention are horrid, but happen in warfare; that’s why so much energy has cone into C3 and IFF systems.
And I like that “Obama as Great Pumpkin of Evil”, may I use it in my screeds? But I think soemthing more ear appropriate, like a cross between Buckwheat and Alfred E Newman might be more of an acceptable characture; bein’ post racial and all…
And I got your Mr. Holmes reference too; unless your a drug addicted porn star though, well…
Face it, O! has screwed the pooch here. And in an effort to save face he’s going to go along with allowing some organization like the OAS try and Dictate internal policy to Honduras. I have to admit that it would make a pretty convenient precedent for him later trying to get the US to bend to some kind of UN dictate of our domestic policy…
You O!wn him, and all of his acts-for better or for worse…
Mr. Homes…
Comment by Grouchno Marx on 6/30 @ 10:21 am #
Like I’ve always said, never give a thorker an even break.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 10:24 am #
Drat! Sorry for all the typos gang…
Comment by Eben on 6/30 @ 10:29 am #
Do image tags work?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2009/06/birdsofeather.php
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 6/30 @ 10:31 am #
More projection from you, thor. Your love monkey (Oh noes!) meddled (it’s a coup, I tells ya) and silence from you gulpers. He meddled and you don’t care. But by empathizing with the Honduran courts, the Honduran congress etc…everybody else is meddling? Was it one too many punches to the dome? You’re not making an ounce of sense.
Comment by Danger on 6/30 @ 10:49 am #
“And you know what really pisses me off? I’ve never read Celine so I don’t know whether your quotation is apropo!”
Bob,
Now you know how Gen. Danger felt;-)
Comment by Danger on 6/30 @ 11:08 am #
“how every thread dissolves into Obama as Great Pumpkin of evil. “As well it should!” just rang in my ears.”
Thor,
What most of us see is someone who buries his head in the sand when faced with evidence that President Obama is not acting in the Country’s (both ours and theirs) best interests.
You have not addressed the coup declaration that Obama made yet. What would you be saying if President Bush had made the same statement?
It is telling who he decides to give the benefit of the doubt regarding Iran and the Honduras.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 1:02 pm #
Genral Danger,
Sir, I think we need some intel on this operative, “Celine”, that thor frequently cites…
Might be above my knuckle dragging, knee-jerk, hick-tard, Rethuglidum pay grade though…
Or so I’ve been led to believe! Do you think it’s psych-ops?
Comment by lee on 6/30 @ 1:23 pm #
Ace has Obama doubling down.
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 1:34 pm #
That was Groucho Marx that said that, but keep flailing, dude, sooner or later you are bound to be right about something.
Comment by poppa india on 6/30 @ 1:36 pm #
Who is Obama to oppose the will of the Wise Latinos/Latinas on the Honduran Supreme Court?
Comment by B Moe on 6/30 @ 1:43 pm #
That is not what you have been suggesting at all thor. What are you doing in that pumpkin patch, hick?
Comment by Reason on 6/30 @ 2:19 pm #
The reason Obama is so willing to tinker here is they don’t have (or will have) the bomb.
Comment by Grouchno Marx on 6/30 @ 2:21 pm #
On the whole, I’d rather be in Shamokin.
Comment by SBP on 6/30 @ 4:42 pm #
More people disapprove of Barackolypse than approve of him now. I don’t envy that. It feels trendy to me.
From +28 to -2 in the first five months.
Bets on where he’ll be sitting for the 2010 midterms?
Comment by Big D on 6/30 @ 4:48 pm #
Bets on where he’ll be sitting for the 2010 midterms?
Depends on how many celebrities die between now and then. Bread and circuses…
Comment by sdferr on 6/30 @ 8:08 pm #
Couldn’t understand Mara Liasson tossing what thin credibility she has left out the window by spinning a conspiracy theory in broad daylight yesterday as she claimed Obama secretly wants Zelaya out of office, but doesn’t want to be seen pushing him. Her act makes even less sense today when Obama’s press flack says we will see Zelaya back in by god, while the OAS steps in to meddle along with Ortega, Chavez and the Castros. Payments are surely being pressed out into the streets buying rent-a-crowds to make noise and carry banners and signs. It’s back to the future time, sinking memory into those heady days of protest through the seventies. Billy Ayres must be intensely pleased with his protégé.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/30 @ 8:49 pm #
Maybe they imported ACORN workers to “mau-mau the flak catchers”…
I mean they are pro’s, and it’s between elections and all…
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 12:02 am #
sarah palin runs circles around u clown lefty’s
then takes care of her special needs child
as you catch your breath..
then smiles
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 12:15 am #
i’m hoping that sarah palin will paddle-boat me to some tropical island…
and drop me off for a better future…
she was so sweet..
she gave me two climate killing plastic bags…
one had a moose-meat sandwich in it..
and the other she placed on my happyfoot and told me..
“one dry foot”
i need medical attention..
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 12:49 am #
but the best thing about her was
her ignoring me as i shouted how i was gonna miss her…
and the second thing i liked was she paddled slightly out of her way to run over a ponce-y wind surfing senator….
but.. as i unwrapped me moose sangy i got tinkle up my dry foot leg knowing
she’d never paddle me off a bridge and leave me to die…
and i kinda like that
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 12:54 am #
the third best thing was how…
clouds opened up to let shiny happy people get all tanned up..
by her radience
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 12:57 am #
the fourth best thing was the dolphins
who spoke in a language i understood..
i think that was my..our..
favorite memory…
Comment by pdbuttons on 7/1 @ 1:09 am #
then my turd world “treatment’ began..and i swear that button they put in my hand.. for the morphine
pain..
was filled with kool-aid
and all thoughts of palin/paddle-boats/moose meat 5 star dinners
just… faded
Comment by Rusty on 7/1 @ 5:15 am #
#146
It’s like the Carter administration, but now with more overt lying and corruption!!!!
Our president is a dirtbag political machine hack and the left just LUUUUUVES him. Buncha dummies.
Comment by B Moe on 7/1 @ 5:43 am #
National sovereignty doesn’t mean squat to your man Obama either. That is the problem.
Comment by JHo on 7/1 @ 6:19 am #
Stop speaking for the Hondurans, thor, you self-important little trollop. How many times do you have to be told? These are the Honduran people.
Comment by B Moe on 7/1 @ 6:23 am #
Standing up for you? Hell Hugo is leading him around on a fucking leash.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/1 @ 6:12 pm #
#150, still doesn’t answer the question, now does it. Obama is meddling and because you dig his love spunk you can’t get yourself to criticize. I am no man’s bitch. I’m just surprised that you are.