Any person, and I mean any person who advocates for “green” energy while rejecting nuclear is a fraud. A lying, misanthropic, baby-hating Luddite.
I’m 55, my late grandparents born in the infant years of the 1900’s and my parents growing up during the Depression. It wasn’t that long ago I participated in a management training class and used as an example of frugality the practice of “darning” and almost half the class had no clue what I was talking about.
Look. Look close at the picture to the right. That is the picture of an American who had only a small carbon footprint upon the American land. Women didn’t work outside the home because they were discriminated against but household duties were full time. Electricity was limited so no washing machines or dryers. No refrigerators. No vaccuum cleaners. No electric irons or gas/electric ovens. Limited electrical lighting. No blow dryers, no curling irons, no televisions … Wash took all day, another for ironing. All on top of cooking from scratch each day, sewing clothes or mending them for the family on a human powered sewing machine (if rich enough to own one). Sweep the house, beat the rugs, save the bacon grease and the slivers of soap, have shoes repaired and pass them down from one child to the next.
When machines are restricted (or outlawed as Ayatollah Waxman decrees) then human power will substitute. What was the admonishment my grandparents would use if they figured a child was slacking in school? Oh yes — “Well, there will always be a job for ditch diggers.” How wonderfully green!
When plastic becomes scarce (hey, it’s a petroleum product -cue the screaming horses- you enviro reprobate you!) then everything from computers to ipods to dvds to home insulation to tupperware to bottles for prescription drugs to heart valves to cat scan machines and iv tubing will be just as scarce, expensive and reserved for the highly connected.
Look at the woman at right — she is 32 years old in that picture. If nothing else, the Democrats hysterical rush to return to the artificially prolonged era that produced her should give most American women pause.
Is this the “green” future they really want to return to?
Or is this just the use of power to play out their dearest Medieval Times fantasy where they figure they are the lords and ladies and the rest of us are serfs?
Comment by SBP on 6/26 @ 11:21 pm #
When machines are restricted (or outlawed as Ayatollah Waxman decrees) then human power will substitute.
Slavery didn’t disappear in the West because people suddenly became a whole lot more moral.
Comment by cranky-d on 6/26 @ 11:38 pm #
The eventual mass starvations will also be a heck of a lot of fun. Whee!!!
Can we destroy the economy of the entire world? Yes We Can!!!
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/26 @ 11:51 pm #
i am..
manic dpressive..
unl;ess a mirror winks at me..
thanks four the laff /cwy
Comment by dicentra on 6/26 @ 11:59 pm #
The latter, Darleen, because it’s the least rooted in reality.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 12:13 am #
ya know..
my kids..
i kinda..put up with them..
they are heavy though..
they’ll die soon…
make checque out to..
“plucky dad buttonns” or cash..
cuz i care!
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 12:15 am #
Want to see what could become? Read the Emberverse series.
If you really think an Amish life is for you, perhaps you should try it first.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 12:21 am #
orr not the snotty child..
he thinks he is better than me..!
and..
he pissed on my couch!
Comment by George Orwell on 6/27 @ 12:51 am #
Or is this just the use of power to play out their dearest Medieval Times fantasy where they figure they are the lords and ladies and the rest of us are serfs?
You’re closer to the truth than you know. Only the richest and most elite will enjoy the luxury of technology, such as will survive. The peasants will have to labor to support their nobles. Manorial Lordships weren’t just for the Dark Ages. What is the final sum of identity politics? A balkanized society, much like a landscape quilted with petty baronies. “Liberty” will be one of those words in the dictionary prefaced with the tag “archaic.”
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 6/27 @ 1:15 am #
“A”
My grandmother is 100 and a half years old and she is purposely, with no qualms, not going retro now- she burnt down a house with a oven heated iron and paid her “green” dues when the progressives told her she wasn’t with it and bought an electric iron, refrigerator, washing machine etc. If she DIDN’T buy all the new anti-man machine she was a slave to the patriarchy, by golly!
“B”
I’ve had my clothes out on a line for 15 years, while all my liberal energy groupie friends have sulked on this nations energy consumption and never once have they looked at my line other than an eye sore and said “Hey, I ought to put my money were my mouth is and do the same instead of simply reusing my Macy shopping bags for the Goodwill items for my “green” feel good moment”
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 6/27 @ 1:30 am #
So should some progressive republican put out a bill outlawing the most environmentally offensive practice of DRY CLEANING and therefore have Nancy Pelosi’s slaves prep her Neiman Marcus suits?
Comment by KB on 6/27 @ 1:40 am #
How about some environmental laws we can all live with? Raising automobile fuel efficiency? New standards for home insulation? Recycling? Tax breaks for solar? Mass transit subsidies? Bike lanes? Or is this fascism?
I’m with you on hang drying clothes. I can’t believe they even sell dryers in places like Phoenix where a soaking wet pair of jeans will dry in 30 minutes.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 6/27 @ 2:00 am #
KB
I isn’t against the law to dry or not dry clothes on the line, that’s why it’s perplexing that liberal retards need a law enacted to make them do what they talk about being right.
Hence the RE usage.
You need the Firedog Journolist Talking Point briefing next?
Comment by Brett on 6/27 @ 4:56 am #
The only certain results of cap and trade will be increased taxes, disguised as price, and an enlarged public sector to “harass our people and eat out their substance.” First the people had to throw off the burden of established clergy, then that of the landed aristocracy. Now we groan under establishment intellectuals. These are the wages of over-valuing widespread–and nominal–education. It’s long past time we got the intellectuals off the backs of the people, for they fancy themselves our eternal rulers.
Comment by panthergirl on 6/27 @ 4:58 am #
My very environmentally-conscious workplace makes a federal case each year about being “sustainable” by bringing our own coffee mugs to campus for spring inservice (1 day a year). A few of us always suggest we go a step further and all ride the bus that day. Hilarity ensues. If nothing else, it will be fun to see the looks on their faces when the liberals realize that they will be required to follow the new laws, too.
Comment by McGehee on 6/27 @ 6:43 am #
Will they? Are we sure?
Comment by Megaera on 6/27 @ 7:16 am #
The first volume of Caro’s biography of LBJ contains a vivid, unforgettable description of what life on a small Texas hill-country farm was REALLY like before Johnson’s political machinations brought electricity to those parts. It’s what sucked the youth out of women like the one in the picture and their husbands, and LBJ’s gift of electric power was the reason Texans there treated him like G-d Almighty ever after. People have NO concept what that kind of life really entails: if they did, they’d be hanging environmentalists from the nearest lamppost and mulching the remains.
Comment by LTC John on 6/27 @ 7:37 am #
I sure hate to think the Worlds Greatest Deliberative Body is all tht stands between us and this rotten legislation. However, they have surprised me in the past – see: Kyoto.
Comment by SDN on 6/27 @ 7:39 am #
Read John Ringo’s Prince Roger series (March Upcountry, March to the Sea, March to the Stars, We Few) for a wonderful description of the EcoFreak Utopia, the Church of Ryback aka the Saints. It’s Pol Pot with starships, the logical progression of the ecofreak dream.
Comment by SDN on 6/27 @ 7:40 am #
So, LTC John, let me know when these people match the definition of domestic enemy found in your oath.
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 7:53 am #
How about some laws we can all live with? Raising automobile minimum size and horsepower? Outlawing home insulation? Outlawing recycling and solar energy? Outlawing mass transit and bike lanes? Mandating increased consumption?
Would you call that fascist? If mandating that lifestyle on you is fascist, why isn’t you mandating your lifestyle on me?
Comment by meya on 6/27 @ 7:58 am #
“It’s what sucked the youth out of women like the one in the picture and their husbands, and LBJ’s gift of electric power was the reason Texans there treated him like G-d Almighty ever after.”
Now it powers thousands of watts of talk radio.
Comment by BJTexs on 6/27 @ 7:59 am #
BMoe:
BECAUSE THE PLANET HAS A FEEVAH!!11ELEVENTY11!!
Comment by socialism_is_error on 6/27 @ 8:04 am #
“Women didn’t work outside the home because they were discriminated against but household duties were full time.”
Suggested:
Women didn’t work outside the home – *not* because they were discriminated against but because household duties were full time.
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 8:07 am #
Never miss an opportunity to crowbar in a talking point.
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 8:08 am #
If we can delay cap and trade long enough, perhaps Obama will realize Bush was right…
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 8:09 am #
So are you willing to give up electric power to save the planet and eliminate talk radio, meya?
How deep is your commitment?
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 8:13 am #
Obama scratches his head and says,
/”I offered no preconditions to talk, but the Iranians had preconditions to talk to me…and I even offered wierners.”
Hopefully the Senate just kills it, but I predict Obama will abandon it if he realizes it will cost him reelection in 2012.
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 8:15 am #
B Moe. I will answer for meya. Not that committed. She is getting a cup of coffee from her electric drip machine.
Comment by ducktrapper on 6/27 @ 8:15 am #
Ouch! You said it.
Comment by Sgt. Mom on 6/27 @ 8:26 am #
My take, on the fall of empires:
When archeologists excavated the ruins of a Roman villa in England, years ago, one of the things they found were remnants of campfires. A hunting party had sheltered there in the abandoned rooms, building a nice warm fire on a fine mosaic floor, little knowing that the villa had once boasted central heating, and skilled craftsmen had pecked out little pieces of tile to make intricate pictures on the floor, but this is what happens when civilization retreats and an empire dies. Hastening that day is not a good thing, not a wise thing, and not a well-considered thing – especially if you are somehow deluded into believing that that you will never be the one to camp out in the ruins left by your ancestors, starving, sick and cold.
The rest is here, “Pax Romana“
Comment by The Monster on 6/27 @ 8:30 am #
You mean like the way they’re going to tax private health care plans… except for those offered through a union? Or the way that antitrust law has a special exemption for unions? I’m sure those things have nothing to do with the union members who reliably vote Democrat like their goons tell them to do.
Comment by The Monster on 6/27 @ 8:31 am #
I can haz preview?
Comment by The Monster on 6/27 @ 8:34 am #
And terawatts of music, including the misogynist (if not nihilist) “urban” variety.
Comment by Log Cabin on 6/27 @ 8:35 am #
That Meya increases her carbon footprint by using a radio (or a computer for that matter), only highlights the nonsense these cretins spout.
If she truly cared for our Mother Earth, she would cease this high-consumption lifestyle immediately and begin composting her own feces, instead of leaving them here for all of us to read.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 8:49 am #
9.Comment by Topsecretk9
My husband’s grandfather passed away about ten years ago at the age of 103. He was born just before the turn of the last century, came to America from Germany in the early 1900’s and eventually settled on just under half an acre in Bellflower, CA…. raised chickens, had an orchard and grew just about everything else for his family. While the chickens and their coops were gone by the time my husband was a little boy, he still remembers visiting while his grandmother was spending long days canning everything they grew. Canning was NOT an occassion fling with them, it was how they put up their own food for the year.
Enviromentalism is a religion as radical and controlling as Islam in Iran. Only three or four generations and most people today have no idea what life was like a mere 100 years ago. They have this romanticized view of “living in harmony with the land” not realizing that small farmers struggled with the land in order to feed themselves and sell enough to get just enough cash for those things they couldn’t make or raise.
I remember watching several episodes of Frontier house and thinking every Luddite environmentalist whining about electricity (like meya above) and petroleum [while pouring themselves a cup of coffee from their coffee maker, reaching into the refrigerator for cream, glancing at the digital clock to make sure they can get into their car and drive twenty miles in less than half an hour to make it in time to stand in front of Big Oil and protest] should have to live like that for a year.
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 8:56 am #
My mother canned heavily when I was a child, remember it well. I remember all the burners on high in an unairconditioned kitchen in August, all day long. I remember shucking corn and stringing beans and shelling peas all day long out in the yard. They were not good times.
Comment by SDN on 6/27 @ 8:59 am #
Darleen, I have personal experience of my grandparents doing canning just like that in the 60s and 70s. In our family photo album, my mother is shown sitting between them in a mule-drawn wagon…. in 1939 Arkansas.
These people have NO FUCKING CLUE.
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 9:01 am #
If this was AoS, someone would have said “I’d hit it…” by now.
Just noticing.
Comment by SDN on 6/27 @ 9:03 am #
Yeah, B Moe, remember hoeing a garden? Or plowing with a mule? I laugh my *ss off at organic farming, because we wouldn’t be able to feed a third of the current US population with those methods.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 9:08 am #
B Moe
We had one (ONE) apricot tree in our backyard as I was growing up. In bumper years my mom usually just gave away bags of apricots to the neighbors. I remember one year she decided to put up preserves (easier than canning vegetables). I helped and it really was several long days of hard work.
Oh, we enjoyed the preserves for years, but mom never canned again.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 9:09 am #
fee tax fo fum..
my goat head soccer ball landed in your
gated community..
a little help?
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 9:10 am #
nantucket
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 9:10 am #
SDN
Look for higher food prices this year. Enviromentalism is causing a new dustbowl in California’s Central Valley and CA feeds much of the rest of the US.
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 9:12 am #
One year my parents rented a big ass field with some neighbors for the real garden, and decided to just have a small one at the house, only about 50 x 50 or so. Since it was so small, Dad didn’t bother with plowing it, he just told me and my little brother to spade it good enough for him to roto-till.
I would have loved to have had a fucking mule right then.
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 9:14 am #
Darleen,
Well placed volleys; Keep firing soldier
Regards
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 9:14 am #
Remembering how good the food was sometimes make me think about doing it again myself. Home canned preserves are God’s gift to biscuits.
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 9:15 am #
Republicans need to keep their bananas peeled or else…
Comment by JD on 6/27 @ 9:15 am #
The Dems are bad bad bad bad bad bad bad people.
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 9:16 am #
Excuse me unpeeled.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 9:17 am #
Dad didn’t bother with plowing it, he just told me and my little brother to spade it good enough for him to roto-till.
Makes you wonder about if any of those “green” teens, with the ipods and the iphones spending hours texting or wii-ing or xboxing … have any idea that “green” means THEY get to replace machines and THEY get to work physical labor hours so the family doesn’t starve? What will those mall-crawling girls think about sewing their own clothes instead of popping into Forever 21 with mommy’s credit card?
Comment by cranky-d on 6/27 @ 9:19 am #
I guess I will once again point out (sorry to bore everyone) that progressives and reality do not intersect often. Classical liberals look at the world and try to understand how it works as close as possible, then build their internal model of the world to mimic that. When reality is not in sync with their internal model, they change their internal model to compensate.
Progressives build an internal model of how they think the world should work, and then do their best to force the world into that model. When a progressive policy fails, they don’t adjust their internal model to compensate, but instead think that they didn’t try hard enough or that someone sabotaged them. The idea that they are wrong about how the world actually works never enters their minds.
I think this is why I have such a hard time understanding them. Progressives have a completely impractical slant on reality. I am continually amazed that they cannot see the truth of things. It’s scary that some of the most destructive legislation introduced in my lifetime will basically have to be stopped by the Senate, a group of career politicians who I wouldn’t trust to get my car repaired or the lawn mown. And if they don’t stop it, well, that meteor that will destroy the planet might end up being a welcome relief for many of us, including me.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 9:20 am #
heave..ho
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 9:23 am #
Nope. It is a problem that goes back to their parents and grandparents in some cases. My first go round at college was in 76. One of my favorite memories is sitting around drinking beer and playing cards in the freshman dorm, about half of us were country boys familiar with farm work, the other half city and suburban kids who had no clue. A common, and very fashionable, refrain among the city kids was that they were going to get their degrees and work for the man just long enough to be able to afford some property out in the country, then they were going to kick back, take it easy and live off the land.
The could never understand the ensuing hilarity among us country boys.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 9:24 am #
B Moe
I think mom burnt herself out by doing too much that one time (damn, but that tree was prolific).
I’ve put up some apple butter myself (a friend with apple trees gave me a bushel of fresh picked) and loved it.
I certainly enjoy growing my own tomatoes and peppers, but it right now is just a hobby because I know I can stop by the market, or even the once-a-week farmer’s market in town.
Comment by Salt Lick on 6/27 @ 9:24 am #
With respect, Darleen, I don’t think pro-climate bill faction in Congress intends us to return to a 19th century lifestyle. As I’ve posted on PW, I’m taking certain precautions against possible economic and societal decay, a la Argentina, but I’m not at all convinced it’s going to happen.
I know a lot of Progressive nutjobs in nearby university towns who do think returning to the 19th century “way” would be a good idea. But most of our ideological opponents, or “moderate” Obama voters, don’t fall in that category. Most of them truly believe in 10 years our lives and economy will look about like it does now, but with the advantage of less “global warming.” Disproving that is the only way to get through to them.
I’ve been reading every economic guru I can and there’s no consensus on what cap and trade or the Left’s other nutty stuff will do to the economy. Even conservative, Christian, Dave Ramsey the finance guy is predicting a boom in real estate next year. Nobody really knows. That’s our real problem right now.
I gotta go get clean for guests.
Cheers,
Comment by SBP on 6/27 @ 9:39 am #
Now it powers thousands of watts of talk radio.
Add “numeracy” to the apparently endless list of topics of which you are brutally ignorant.
Anyway, so what? It’s just talk.
You’ve got both houses of Congress and the Presidency, SFAG. Time to stop snarking and start producing.
You’re going to learn that criticism and performance are two entirely different things, girlie.
Good luck paying your energy bill!
Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 9:44 am #
I bought my son The Dangerous Book for Boys last year. One of the things suggested is go out and shoot, clean and cook a rabbit. I am going to take him out deer hunting this year. His cousin got his first deer last year and was thrilled. He was 10.
It is also a good idea for a kid to learn out to catch, clean and cook a fish. Grow a veggie garden. Dig clams. Raise chickens or a beef steer if you have the room. It probably will cost you more than going to store and buying it, but food you produce tastes better and it makes you appreciate things more.
I would also recommend beer making. I transferred a new batch last night into the carboy. The second fermentation is going on now (I added about 20 oz of honey to jump start it up again). My little yeasts are happily converting the remaining sugars into alcohol.
Because if the dems have their way I will need it.
Comment by SBP on 6/27 @ 9:49 am #
B Moe. I will answer for meya. Not that committed. She is getting a cup of coffee from her electric drip machine.
Ah, but I’ll bet it’s “fair trade” coffee, imported from (exaggerated Anglo “Spanish” accent) Coetah Rrrrreeeeca!
The dipshits really have no idea how that coffee gets to the local espresso shop. Or how anything they use gets to them, really.
I think they should be required to use and eat only items that were produced within walking distance of their houses.
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 9:50 am #
They are doing exactly that but “live off the land” means something different. Think of it as “tax farming”. They have their nice dacha and get the check from the government union pension every month.
Everything Obama is doing is to ensure that that check gets to those people, his supporters, every month. A big part of his base, and expensive to maintain.
Comment by louchette on 6/27 @ 9:50 am #
guess what? keeping a nice home (i.e., household duties) is *still* a full time job, if you do it right. but most people don’t. and most of the stuff i spend my days doing most days (like hand polishing furniture with real old fashioned hard wax or getting up on a ladder with a bottle of ammonia and a chamois cloth to clean the chandeliers and sconces) won’t be affected by any lack of electric powah. tho i certainly anticipate a rise in the price of the wax and ammonia if this BS passes.
my close-by living grandma (born in 1890 in elgin IL, who remembered the first people in her town to get electricity, a telephone, a car, a refrigerator) didn’t can. but only because she was a terrible cook and was always afraid of poisoning people. but some of her friends still did, and i learned from them as a kid too. and i never minded doing food preparation like shelling peas or peeling potatoes or kneading dough or standing for hours skimming the scum off of soup broth. and at least at the end of that sort of hard work there is usually something super yummy to eat.
and amen to ‘they have NO FUCKING CLUE.’ i enjoy doing the housework stuff. partly because of my severe ADHD (i literally cannot stay sitting down in a chair unmedicated, or even medicated on bad days or if i’m sleep deprived) and partly because it just makes me frelling happy when everything is shiny and orderly. but it is also very hard physical work, doing things ‘the old fashioned’ way. and i doubt most of the bloated doughy blobular younguns i see around could physically keep up with the work i do in an hour, much less in a day (even with some modcons like the vacuum and refrigerator.)
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 9:55 am #
i’m hungry!
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 10:04 am #
Look at the woman at right — she is 32 years old in that picture.
Obviously somewhat off-point, but how do you know this? There’s no question that hard living makes one age faster, but it seems difficult to believe that’s a 32 year old woman.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 10:07 am #
don’t think pro-climate bill faction in Congress intends us to return to a 19th century lifestyle
They may not “intend” it, SL, but it is the logical result of much of the regulations in Waxman’s 1500 page abortion.
As someone else said on another thread, when I drop a hammer off the roof of a house I don’t have to stick around to see if it fell to the earth.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 10:10 am #
Uh, Showy?
It is a pretty famous photo
Comment by sdferr on 6/27 @ 10:12 am #
Isn’t there a sense in which this embrace of an economy damaging environmental policy stands as yet another example of an unnecessary (because self-inflicted) political risk, of the sort that the all-out opposition to the Iraq war policy the democrats took on in 2004 and continued through 2007 (only to drop it in 2008) was?
Both of these cases have, what seem to me at least, obvious implications of long-term political harm to the interests of their proponents in the event that the proposals don’t work to the good of the nation (which is to say, the good of their constituents) that their more optimistic supporters presume they will. Ordinary political prudence ought to counsel that the easily foreseeable potential downside should play at least some role in the calculations any supporter (politician) would make before committing themselves to responsibility for any potential negative consequence to follow: the more grave the potential harm, the more hesitant ought the support to be, or so one would think from a neutral stance examining the prudential implications of the thing?
And yet in many of these politicians we see no indication that these sorts of considerations have even crossed their minds. They seem, on the contrary, to have thrown caution to the winds, as the saying goes. They seem so confident in this rush to experiment with hundreds of millions of lives that I have to believe that they cannot imagine paying any price for failure that they would consider a meaningful price. Something has gone missing. Either they believe that they can talk themselves out of being held responsible should failure come about or they are so consumed with hubris that they’ve simply no thought that their prescriptions could be flawed.
In either case, though, something has gone very wrong with our ability to choose representatives when the representatives we choose see no need to look after their own longer-term interests as bound to the interests of their constituents first.
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 10:20 am #
Uh, Showy?
It is a pretty famous photo
Gotcha. I’d certainly seen it before, but didn’t know anything about it, and it’s difficult to run a web search on a photograph without any name or information. At any rate, it’s remarkable that the typical 45 year old today probably looks younger than that (and a similar comparison of psychological maturity could probably be made as well).
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:25 am #
You’re correct Darleen, all the environazi cap-n-tradists who don’t support nuclear power are complete hypocrits…
There is a lot of yammering about solar power; which I happen to believe would be beneficial for augmenting our existing energy systems in parts of the US (one’s that are below the 35th parallel specifically, for technical reasons)…
For instance, here on Long Island, if all of the residential houses, and some commercial concerns, employed individual photovoltaic collector banks for their homes, then it would be unnecessary to build any new, or expand any existing, powerplants in order to supply NYC; where much of the building’s geometries cause occlusion during parts of the day. And, those with larger properties could employ thermal solar plants and storage for direct use in heating and a/c (much like the old ammonia absorbtion chillers of the early 20th century) with the wasteful conversions. But this is not as free as folks visualize in that there are maintenance issues with both the photovoltaic and thermal powerplants…
But really, for proof that all of the “green” demagoguery is phony you need look no further than the tax code. “How does that prove it Bob?” you may ask…
To begin, if we as a nation were serious about quickly implementing a solar solution to most residences, congress could merely pass a bill stating that you could write off 100% of the expense on your taxes for the conversion and capital upgrade/maintenance of a residential solar power plant. This write off, combined with the savings of being off-grid, would motivate a lot of folks to undertake the conversion. And, as with all government programs there could be assistance for low income folks to help them convert as well…
But it doesn’t end there. Imagine all of the construction workers and electricians that would benefit from such an act. There would be enormous call to reinforce roof structures and attics to accept the solar equipment, as well as electricians to install and/or integrate them into the existing house infrastructure…
Solar power is no panacea, but promoted properly, through the use of tax incentives, it could go a long way towards spurring business as well as actually getting us closer towards foreign energy source independance…
Too bad all we have are the sorry excuse for representatives, who buy into Al Gore’s AGW connivance, and wish to hamstring our economy instead of helping it grow…
May God help us All; or whoever you non God-botherers look to for encouragement, guidance, and assistance…
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:31 am #
Well Showy,
As Darleen correctly points out, folks benefit today, in general, from less strenuous and demanding work loads here in the advanced USA. But it was not so long ago that there was no electricity, and hence modern conveniences, in the Tenesee valley even (TVA a new deal project in the 30’s).
I wonder what the carbon footprint of a mani-pedi is? Or A crack-berry? Or a venti-decaf-mocha-latte-with-skim-milk-and-splenda at Starbucks? Or surfing daily Kos? Or watching MTV, or Jon Stewart?
I mean, these cost will have to be assessed!
Comment by sdferr on 6/27 @ 10:34 am #
Boo hiss, Bob. If solar power were an economic thing people would undertake it on their own without any need for externally supplied incentives. Diverting scare resources through arbitrarily derived political mandates is a poor way to go about improving the economic life of any nation. Everyone loses in the un-bargain.
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 10:37 am #
Bob,
I think it would take even more than a law from congress. there are various codes, local ordinances, neighborhood association rules that would forbid or make it extremely hard to do.
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 10:37 am #
it could go a long way towards spurring business as well as actually getting us closer towards foreign energy source independance…
This is one area where I’d disagree, with a premise that is at least implied. Is foreign energy independence really a desirable goal? Increasing energy production where economically useful? Absolutely. But in those instances where it’s less expensive to buy it from a foreign source than it is to produce it domestically, is it not better for the economy as a whole to go ahead and buy it?
Comment by SGT Ted on 6/27 @ 10:38 am #
I grew up in Santa Maria, CA which is very close to Nipomo.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:44 am #
sdferr,
Oh it is economically viable in the long term, but the initial expense is high; the tax deduction would merely incentivize thise who could afford it to take the plunge. And I’m not personally advocating it be employed nationwide and incentivized, but simply pointing out that there are better ways to reduce the load on the electric infrastructure if that was the actual motivation in Congress…
We all know that it’s really a power grab (no pun intended); I was simply engaging in “what if?”…
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 10:45 am #
“Either they believe that they can talk themselves out of being held responsible should failure come”
sdferr,
Why shouldn’t they when the MSM is in their corner and they enjoy repeated “successes” dodging accountability for things like Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:45 am #
geoffb,
You are correct sir, and all that would have to be decided at the local level…
But with the Obamacrats? Who really knows!
Comment by sdferr on 6/27 @ 10:46 am #
Bastiat on Broken Windows.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:47 am #
Showy,
You’re correct; from a business standpoint if a commodity can be bought cheaper than it could be produced domestically, then from an economic standpoint it makes more sense to import it…
Just make sure the suppliers are your friends, that they’ll never wish to harm you strategically by cutting you off, and that you have the capacity to do wothout the supply should they decide to do so…
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:49 am #
Danger, how are you today?
OT, but you mentioned experience with NAVAIR. Are you an aviator? Fixed wing or Rotary? And you mentioned the no-fly-zone; I spent some time there myself in the early 90’s…
Just curious, I thought you were a Marine. Sorry if I’m mistaken…
Best Wishes
Comment by sdferr on 6/27 @ 10:50 am #
I would argue that this temporary circumstance, the tacit support of an ignorant and willing press, can also be foreseen to end at some point. When it does, there may be hell to pay. Such are the calculations of the prudent, I think.
Comment by Darleen on 6/27 @ 10:57 am #
But in those instances where it’s less expensive to buy it from a foreign source than it is to produce it domestically, is it not better for the economy as a whole to go ahead and buy it?
That would depend on why the foreign source was “cheaper” (in the short term).
Waxman’s abortion will tax domestic energy TWICE (for the CO2 emitted when processing the fuel and for the CO2 emitted when consumers use it) and foreign only once (because it is processed abroad and only consumed here).
Watch domestic refineries start closing down and the USA become ever more beholding to the Saudi’s and Hugo Chavez.
Obama has already forbidden any development of domestic oil sands or shale. If we followed France’s example and had over 80% of our electrical needs supplied by nuclear energy, and we allowed the vast domestic oil resources be tapped for petroleum needs outside of burning it for energy, we could be in a position to shrug at totalitarian regimes using oil for politics.
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Comment by Joe on 6/27 @ 11:05 am #
Cap and Trade bill? What bill?
That makes passing it even more of a bad joke.
I went to go to the store and heard Joe Scarborough on NPR saying how Republicans need to get in front of environmental issues. Scarborough is wrong on how to get in front of them (he wants to raise milage standards on all vehicles to force industry to make radical changes in technology), but he is right Republicans need to lead on evinromental issues. That means identifying those issue that are environmentally important and debunking those false issues that are not.
Comment by McGehee on 6/27 @ 11:05 am #
That part should be in 48-point uppercase, preferably with animated flames.
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 11:07 am #
Bob,
I’m doing well thanks; no dust storms, temperature a “balmy” 113 today.
Yes I am an Aviator, or at least I was. I have a bit of a Heinz 57 background. I got my start in the Navy as a SH-60B (LAMPS MKIII) pilot supporting the small boys. I did a tour as a T-34 IP before transfering to the Air force (Loved the Navy but hated the ship lifestyle). In the Air Force I flew the E-3 AWACS (where I got my no-fly zone experience) prior to being diverted to the AOC C2 career field.
I actually am flattered by the Marine remark. I guess My Marine DI at AOCS has left a lasting impression on my outlook on things. Even though it was “just” 13 weeks a Marine DI is a force of nature and the impact is deep and enduring.
Regards
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Comment by serr8d on 6/27 @ 11:22 am #
We have to demand that Republicans start a national campaign designed to increase our Nuclear power capabilities. There’s few other issues that seems to beg for strong and vocal support from politicos. A sure winner; we could put people to work in high-tech positions, end coal-fired dominance of the electric grid and slap a few hippies while we’re at it.
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 11:29 am #
“slap a few hippies while we’re at it.”
I’d like to nominate Happyfeet as head of the hippie hurt division. That would be fun I think.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 11:52 am #
Danger,
Thanks for the info. I understand the E-3 AWACS has some fascinating equipment on board vis-a-vis imaging. Sounds like you have had an interesting career so far..!
On my part, I drove Tomcats with VF-84 from the mid/late 80’s until the mid 90’s when Clinton disestablished our squadron. My vision was starting to preclude me from getting back into anything sexy, so I went to NAVSEA instead, to work in strategic weapons. I’m still not at liberty to say much more than that…
And keep the Marine/compliment thing hush-hush; As former swabbies, we wouldn’t want to give them a swelled head!
(just joshing, being a civilian kinda defuses the ol’ inter-service rivalries…)
Best Wishes
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 11:54 am #
i like to see hippies beaten with
kaleidascopes..
or them thick bats..
wickets?
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 11:58 am #
my mom was a hippie..
daddy was from a dark continent..
we moved to Hawaii..
vote for me?
[twice would be nice!)
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 11:59 am #
That would depend on why the foreign source was “cheaper†(in the short term).
Certainly. I’m talking about when the foreign source is cheaper than the domestic sources can possibly be produced (at that time). Not when the foreign source is cheaper than an artificially elevated price on the domestic source.
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 12:01 pm #
Bob,
Which Battlegroups did you cruise with; we may have crossed each others paths (That is if you consider Starboard Delta crossing your path ;).
Regards
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 12:30 pm #
When at Navair I cruised with the TR battlegroup (CVN-71)…
I can’t really say too much about my time at NAVSEA…
Were you on a Frigate or a carrier?
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 12:31 pm #
Gotta run for a while; some “honey-do” items to attend to!
See y’all on the flip side…
Comment by Danger on 6/27 @ 12:42 pm #
2 Frigates: The Taylor and Klackring, 1 Cruiser: the Normandy
Deployed with the Saratoga BG in 94 and the America BG in 95.
Was the TR an east coast Carrier? I ask because I only did part of the Klakring deployment and am not sure of the Carrier on that battlegroup.
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 1:02 pm #
Yes it is; CVW-8 was based at NAS Oceana…
The name Klakring doesn’t ring any bells with me…
Most of TR’s time was spent in the Med, Red sea, and Persian Gulf; at least when Fighting 84 was on board…
Time for another beer…
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 1:22 pm #
You’re correct…from an economic standpoint it makes more sense to import it…
Just make sure…you have the capacity to do without the supply should they decide to [withhold it]…
That part should be in 48-point uppercase, preferably with animated flames.
The problem is, the only way to make sure you have the capacity to forego foreign energy suppliers without economic inconvenience is to go ahead and build a 100% sufficient supply from the more expensive domestic sources (whatever they may be). So the question remains, how much extra money are you willing to spend to insulate yourself from a potential problem? Building a completely sufficient energy supply is basically energy insurance and, assuming it is realistically feasible, it would be extraordinarily expensive compared to the alternative of continuing to buy cheaper foreign energy and hoping/assuming that enough of those sources will remain available. Given that a majority of that foreign energy comes from Canada and Mexico, that seems like a fairly reasonable assumption, and it’s not clear that the extremely expensive “energy insurance” is the best way to spend the money.
Comment by Old Dad on 6/27 @ 1:52 pm #
Darleen,
You’re quite right. Naive, selfish and destructive adolescents are playing with other people’s money. I’ve never had Kobe beef, have you? My mother and father (God rest their souls) remebered vividly getting indoor plumbing in the late 30s. Our pampered generation thinks milk comes from the grocery store.
The naughty children must be punished, but they’re betting that we’re too stupid and lazy to go out into the yard and cut a switch. They may be right.
Fire Congress.
Comment by DGA on 6/27 @ 2:01 pm #
I read somewhere, don’t have a link sorry, that in 1900, 90% of the USA’s population was involved in the production of food for everyone. With the advent of mechanisation, now only 5% of the population works to produce the food all of us eat. I wonder what percentage the obama voters think we will go back to if we have to do it all by hand again?
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 2:02 pm #
diapers are for babies
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 2:08 pm #
the ice cream truck guy told me..
“diapers are for…”
something..
he had to banana split..
cuz of the cops…
i want my change!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 2:09 pm #
Showy,
I wasn’t talking as much about Canada and Mexico as I was other sources. And you are correct that being able to supply 100% of our domestic fuel and oil needs is probably an expensive proposition. But we should be able to provide a substantial percentage of the refined fuels that we use, even if the raw material must be imported from our nearby neighbors.
We should be leading in the refining of the less optimal crude oils. That way folks like Chavez and the Iranians would be reliant on us, at least for the short term, to condition their products for market…
Hopefully, the US has already peaked in it’s daily conventional fossil fuel usage, and that between conservation, new types of fuels, and nuclear electrical generation we can drastically lower our daily transportation fuel needs.
Of course the future is in a replacement for the gasoline we use today. Whether that is synthetic, electric replacement, or a different carbon synthetic remains to be seen. But the argument that I essentiall am making is that we need to be preparing all of the domestic sources we can, to carry us through until we can develop that replacement…
It rankles me that the Chinese, under liscense from the Cubans, are going to be tapping a tremendously large deposit of oil that is 50 miles off our shores. That is oil we should be pumping, as well as off the east and west coasts. And we should be working on tar sand extraction techniques in partnership with the Canadians. Between coal and tar sands we potentially have supply enough for years to come while we develope viable alternatives. Until then for strategic reasons we need to be able to guarantee a supply…
Best Wishes
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 2:24 pm #
I wonder what percentage the obama voters think we will go back to if we have to do it all by hand again?
Since we can’t possibly produce enough by hand to feed the current population, it would take awhile for the things to stabilize enough to come up with an accurate percentage.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 6/27 @ 2:25 pm #
100% contingency supply isn’t a requirement.
True contingency planning is about identifying what is necessity and what is not and putting in place, at least, a plan to cut the non-essential down or even off, temporarilly, while the problem is remediated. We do this with radio frequencies and IT infrastructure. We’ve done it with milk, meat, rubber and even fuel before.
WWII fuel rationing is not that different than me making the decision to take a hard drive from a less essential server to replace a failed one in a server that is of a higher priority. But all of it takes a certain amount of planning ahead.
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 2:46 pm #
On the Progressive side this is considered to be a good thing. People are a plague on Gaea. Reducing the “surplus” population is necessary and proper.
Useless eaters, rabble, who needs them mucking up the wonders of nature. They are only on Earth to do the bidding of their betters. When they break down, get sick, well that is where the National Health-care Service comes into play. They do the triage on the broken toys.
Comment by B Moe on 6/27 @ 2:54 pm #
On the Progressive side this is considered to be a good thing. People are a plague on Gaea. Reducing the “surplus†population is necessary and proper.
We know that, and the True Believers on the left know that, but how do we get all these idiots in the middle to figure it out?
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 3:50 pm #
pull my finger tax!
hi yo!
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 3:52 pm #
johnny carson had class!
like that Bouivier chick..
but she had grace..
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 4:11 pm #
I wasn’t talking as much about Canada and Mexico as I was other sources…
Until then for strategic reasons we need to be able to guarantee a supply…
It was clear you weren’t talking about Canada and Mexico, and indeed that’s why I wanted to point them out. From a security standpoint, it seems pertinent that a majority of our imported fuel comes from sources that probably be deemed reliable. And I agree with your overall view in general terms, I just would put some qualifiers on it. In my view, the goal should not be energy independence, it should be energy at the lowest possible price. This would certainly entail removal of domestic production restrictions and a resulting increase in domestic production. But it would still include importation of a not-insignificant percentage of our consumption.
I would particularly qualify your last statement. Right now we can guarantee a some supply for some period of time if all foreign sources are eliminated. The questions, though, are what percentage of present consumption, and for what period of time. If we guarantee a 100% supply for an indefinite period of time, that equates to economically disadvantageous energy independence.
Comment by McGehee on 6/27 @ 4:25 pm #
As I understand it, a good way to illustrate the distinction between goals and ideals is to consider “total energy independence” as an ideal vs. a goal.
Ideals help to determine what goals should be. If we’re incapable in 2009 of contemplating a feasible situation in which we as a nation are totally independent of foreign energy sources, what would need to happen to make us capable, and at what cost? Is it worth it to pursue goals that can get us closer to that ideal?
The mistake we’ve been making for the last 35 years is allowing short-term objectives, rather than ideals, determine our goals.
Comment by McGehee on 6/27 @ 4:26 pm #
But that’s just me, talking to the wall as usual.
Trackback by pw on 6/27 @ 4:30 pm #
Nancy Pelosi has 7 sets of Republican Balls……
…tiny, shriveled, and with absolutely no use or value.
And that other’s thinger.
The Senate (that wonderfully deliberative body, (Now! with Al Freakin’ Franken!) will consider this criminally insane bill next.
Call ‘em, if you …
Comment by Showy on 6/27 @ 4:33 pm #
As I understand it, a good way to illustrate the distinction between goals and ideals is to consider “total energy independence†as an ideal vs. a goal.
Ideals help to determine what goals should be. If we’re incapable in 2009 of contemplating a feasible situation in which we as a nation are totally independent of foreign energy sources, what would need to happen to make us capable, and at what cost? Is it worth it to pursue goals that can get us closer to that ideal?
The mistake we’ve been making for the last 35 years is allowing short-term objectives, rather than ideals, determine our goals.
I’m not sure if you were responding to me, but to me it’s not a question of ideals vs. goals. I don’t think it would be ideal but non-feasible to be energy independent, I think it would be very non-ideal. Buying things from people who can produce them less expensively than you can isn’t a non-ideal reality, it’s ideal.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 5:04 pm #
patrick roy had goals..
{deniroi)
u talking to me?..
chitty chitty bang bang..
Comment by serr8d on 6/27 @ 5:27 pm #
Huh. I miscounted the Republican YES! votes for Cap’n Tax, and still managed to get 42 comments…in the PUB!
Who are those people, and where did they come from?
Comment by newrouter on 6/27 @ 6:09 pm #
as a goal this is already achieved in electrical power. as a goal this is already achieved in natural gas(how many lng unloading plants are there in the us?). it is the petroleum fuels that we need to import that are the problem. and why is that? b/c you can’t drill off the coasts or alsaka or even in the interior. and you can’t build nukes or coal fired plants but ethanol plants you can. it is a total left wing fu of our economy.
Comment by newrouter on 6/27 @ 6:12 pm #
and that’s another reason the moonbats hate palin. she knows and can explain why they are full of shiite.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/27 @ 6:25 pm #
my arms are tired..
from all that riverdancing..
will wear dress for food!
\hi yo!
Comment by newrouter on 6/27 @ 6:44 pm #
so now the green squeeze is on coal. our electrical “energy independence” is under assault like the petroleum fuels.
Comment by louchette on 6/27 @ 6:46 pm #
DGA @100 — when you say 90% were involved in food production in 1900 that’s sort of unspecific. while a far larger percentage of the population was engaged in farming before mechanization, farming isn’t all of the work involved in food production — fish need cleaning, meat needs butchering, grains need grinding, butter needs churning, beer needs brewing, various things need drying and curing and pickling and canning, and cooking from scratch once you have the preliminary ingredient prep done takes a significant amount of time and work. two of my grandparents grew up in very small towns not cities, but none of them farmed beyond a small vegetable garden and some chickens in the yard. they did however spend a great deal of time preparing food for eating and for storage.
with the delightful exception of a few gay boys who are obsessed foodies and fabulous cooks, none of the proggy younger people i know can cook or do any food prep. and i don’t mean they can’t cook a souffle from scratch. i mean they can’t even make pancakes from bisquick mix. cooking for them means throwing a plastic dish of some pre-processed, packaged, fake flavor chemical laden food in the microwave. or going to the nearest mcdonald’s. they don’t seem to mind eating that human kibble. so i expect that’s what they will continue to do. as long as it has enough salt and ‘crunch’ and all the fake flavors their desensitized taste buds are inured to they will eat it. unless the health nazi nannies get all the junk banned or taxed into oblivion. if that happens then i think most will starve. poor dears. *emo tear*
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 6:51 pm #
Some time in the past
I flew Jolly Rogers Flash
Then, I was a mensch!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 6:54 pm #
Then, I rode on subs
making us all safe from foes
But that’s how it goes!
Comment by louchette on 6/27 @ 6:55 pm #
PW poetry slam? bob reed vs. sir buttons? who’s gonna referee? and what did the romanian judge give you guys? =3
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 6:58 pm #
I fail by buttons
He’s the Pee-Dub Poetry mensch
I luvs hiz Haiku’s…
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 7:29 pm #
Louchette is da bomb
Adds some flair to Pee-Dub crew
Your comments are the bomb!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 7:29 pm #
Oooops!
Louchette is da bomb
Adds some flair to Pee-Dub crew
Your comments are so sexy!
Comment by louchette on 6/27 @ 7:39 pm #
thank you sir. i like you too. and buttons too. he is da bomb. and mr. feets too. oh, and i second the suggestion upthread that he be nominated for czar of hippy smacking. i’d write a haiku, but for all my diverse skills i have no haiku-fu. =P
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 7:46 pm #
I don’t believe it!
As Japanese as you are…
You can’t write haiku!
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 8:05 pm #
Wife is a foodie
Hundreds of books on cooking
Now I am the cook
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 8:14 pm #
geoff you are the cook
Do you do it by the book?
Or take some chances?
Comment by TmjUtah on 6/27 @ 8:25 pm #
Nothing about the Obama agenda makes sense unless you perceive it not as an agenda meant to address responsibilities laid out by the Constitution.
Recognize Cap and trade, the nationalizations, and the arbitrary, capricious, and baldly targeted tax increases and redistribution of wealth for what they are: attacks.
He’s not here to fix anything. He’s here to stick a knife in what’s left of the republic.
Period.
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 8:32 pm #
First time by the book
Second time, play it by ear
Then the fun begins
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 8:38 pm #
Weird internet night
Carpal tunnel in right hand
Mousing lefty now
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 8:43 pm #
Have fun on the way
You might eclipse Rachel Ray!
Make the bread of life!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 8:50 pm #
geoffb you’re the man
In spite of your bum right hand
You can bring the juice!
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 8:54 pm #
Food, fattening fun
I can’t compete with Rachel
She is way too cute
Comment by geoffb on 6/27 @ 9:00 pm #
I have never, ever flown
You have been inside the sky
Bob Reed, you rock man
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:32 pm #
geoff no reason why…
In your way you too can fly
On the wings of words!
Comment by Bob Reed on 6/27 @ 10:34 pm #
geoff is you just try…
In your mind you too can fly
And then, you will rawk!
_________
Be Cool!
Comment by geoffb on 6/28 @ 12:13 am #
Good night Bob. Church comes early.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 12:26 am #
nutmeg in your greens
makes me America proud!..
and oh. so.. chatty!
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 12:45 am #
jack flash was so gas..
but i like shelly duval
she’s tall..like windmills!
hi yo!
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:01 am #
Hey, Republican-city-faggot, I not only learned to shoot my 410 when I was six, I learned to load my own, meaning black powder and the hand molds dipped molten lead meant for my .38.
Fuckin’ candy-ass-Rush=Limbaugh pussy.
I’d nail you square behind the ear at full stride with the cheap ass sight on Winchester 30-30.
It’s such a hoot listening to pussy-boys talking like they once humped in a field dressed bobtail deer on their back from their stand.
You never lived or died for nothing, just watched it on TV. Fuck off.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:03 am #
5 silly billy syllablles..
i will start..
buttons thinks he’s cool..
now seventy eleventy..
he’s just a tired old fool,…
now to bring it home..
we need 5 siily bill bot words.. or a cadence.
to wit.. u idiot..
buttons thinks he’s cool..
like many fools i have schooled..
sit down..shut up..works..
hi yo!
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:07 am #
I don’t like hunting deers cause you have to be quiet forever and here is a video about gymnastics and probably self-discovery in some way but I need to google the lyrics later to be sure.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:10 am #
hi thor
can u rock me with a song..?
or moo {cows saay that!)
moo moo move me with a movie?
top ten eastern european songs..
…
99 luft ballons..
my reply is a log in your eye…
76 trombones and a hit..
parade..!
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:14 am #
oh. louchette was here! I had links for louchette to click. brb I will try to find.
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:15 am #
Ducks are fast. Ducks are hard even when you call ‘em and scare ‘em off the water just right.
Fuckin’ poseurs, ain’t never even shot a rabbit.
We used to sight-in by pegging blackbirds off the telephone wires. And, depending on the gun and distance, they weren’t easy either.
12-gauge Dick Cheneys, is what you boys are, just half-drunk losers puttin’ buck shot into your buddies. I did know a kid in school who had a pattern on his back. His brother accidentally shot him with a 20-gauge while pheasant hunting. It happens.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:16 am #
i stopped at store..
tried not to grit my last tooth..
what’s the hold up?….thor!
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:20 am #
this is a photographer. I think it’s him what is at the very very bottom. I thought Genevieve was neat but more just how well-written the blog was is what struck me. Also
ting tings! They are groovy and also I think they do their own choreography. Anyway I thought they had a sort of louchette sensibility. Even if not it’s a nifty video I think.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:22 am #
rush limbaugh ducks much..
at stupid theory’s and such..
thor cannot rock me..,!@
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:25 am #
Best shot, you ask, Barton Creek.
I was on the driving range with a three-wood. Sure, I could taken out one of the closer deer, but no, I’m a sportsman. At just past the two-hundred yard flag I hit a deer with a Titliest, right in its eye, at least what I from what I could tell, regardless it was a head shot. The dude in the caged gold cart that picks up the range balls tied it to the bumper and dragged it off the range. It was dead, because everyone watched it for about twenty minutes waiting for it to get the hell up.
And fuck yeah I was aiming for it. I was so aiming for it, that’s what made it a special shot.
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:26 am #
gold = golf
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:26 am #
aloha means good bye..
one song..
or movie?
sarah palin the great!
i love lucy!
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:29 am #
oh. here is the link for Genevieve without the bookmark cause it was the top picture I liked best anyway.
But…
Why does the dude in the caged gold cart sing? Or does he not sing? Does anyone know?
What I do know is if you hadn’t been aiming for it then hitting it would have been very zen. You kinda screwed the pooch on the zen of it I think, regrettably.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:30 am #
ahhh. golf.
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:32 am #
Doesn’t matter, Florida or Texas. Here in So Flo we take special pride in the alligators that sleep on the mud banks near the water hazards. Never nailed one with a golf ball but I have swung the golf cart close enough to ‘em to peg one right in the head with a cup of ice.
Every golfer worth his wedge loves pegging the shit out of the native animals.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:37 am #
i love the sound of breaking glass..
from the dacha..
name a fluufing movie or song that u comkmies{chomp ..ski..s)
[ can shove\ down my
multi- cult throat..
or..
fuck off
really.. one song?..
asshole update..
al green didn’t live in shitastan..
but james brown grew up under the stars and bars..
oh…
u are punk!
just a..melody?
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:38 am #
Happy, you ever play Sugar Creek west of Fort Worth.
Almost as good as Barton Creek in Austin. Fuckin’ deer love the challenge of dodging golf balls. You hit one nobody cares. Take one out and you’re the man.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:39 am #
papa don’t take no mess!
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:39 am #
I feel like we are talking past one another.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:43 am #
I’m not guilty of playing golf. Not as an adult person. When I was little mom used golf as daycare in the summer for me and my little brother. We golfed dutifully. But even today we both suck at it and have no real affection for it as a way to spend time. In Texas where we’re from, it’s Africa hot and golf is different than it is in like New Jersey or Alberta.
I don’t remember hitting any animals just people.
Comment by pdbuttons on 6/28 @ 1:50 am #
famous russian golf movies..
sorry..
famous russian rock songs..
i own thor..ha,,
american golf movies.. tin cup..
spencer tracy.. katy hepburn?
please please us..
come on..
come on..
please please me?
punk!
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 1:52 am #
Truth is those dumb fucking deer loving hippies (Michael Dell) feed the deer in Austin and that just brings ‘em in. I’ve had to stand there at the tee-box and wait ten minutes for the fearless grazers to get the fuck out the way before crankin’ a proper draw.
My Canadian friends tell the same tale of moose in Banff. Fucking bastards beg to be smacked with a Precept.
There’s a course east of Arlington towards Ft. Worth, something Rail, that’s wooded as shit but suburban all the same. The squirrels there are fearless. One didn’t just hop into my cart and munch my Corn Nuts while I was on the tee box; the fucker carried off my entire bag. Fuckin’ squirrel hopping along with an entire bag of Corn Nuts. That’s bold. He’d have taken a Gatorade with him if we didn’t start trying to peg him with fastballs.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 1:54 am #
It is daily that we must strive anew to live in balance with nature. At least the mammals.
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she looks asian..she might be deaf..
am i typing this..?
i like that russian song ” no reply”
ha.. it was the beatles.. punk
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hard days night..?
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 2:07 am #
The funniest thing about that story at Barton Creek was at listening to my friends at the bar. One of the course stewards was thinking I needed consoling after I whacked and killed the doe on the driving range. He gave me a it-happens speech meant not to make me not feel bad.
Oh how we laughed during and after the round. When you bag a deer in Texas, if you’re a Texan, you feel nothing but pride. Fuck having to buy deer urine and sittin’ there days on end in a tree, a full bucket of range balls and a dead aim three-wood beats all.
Comment by thor on 6/28 @ 2:09 am #
I’m drunk enough not to work the keyboard well. bed.
Comment by happyfeet on 6/28 @ 2:28 am #
Near where I’m from in Texas there are deer and one time also they found a trailer what had 18 cooked Mexicans in it. Slow-cooked Mexicans. They had a cell phone and called 911 for help but it screwed up mostly cause the cooking people spoke Spanish and the person they called was like what are you saying? I do not understand you. From here. It doesn’t say if anyone gave the guy what got the 911 call an it-happens speech.
Barton Creek the road not the club has many nice places to drink on it and it was on that road that I had my first bellini.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 6/28 @ 7:05 am #
“Hey, Republican-city-faggot, I not only learned to shoot my 410 when I was six, I learned to load my own, meaning black powder and the hand molds dipped molten lead meant for my .38.”
Another lie from the dung beetle.
What you do, use wikipedia to look up all those redneck terms?
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Comment by serr8d on 6/28 @ 8:10 am #
I did take a nice buck at LBL with my Marlin 30-30, open sights, running away from me, back in ‘95. The last deer I ever harvested with a rifle. Just too damned easy. From then on, my scope equipped 8.5″ S&W 629 .44 Mag works best.
Squirrels, rabbits, a .22 Ruger pistol.
All my hunting’s now done with handguns, except dove. Can’t legally hunt dove with a pistol. Unless…can I plug three chambers…?
Comment by Rusty on 6/28 @ 8:55 am #
Geese with a sand wedge. Not really, but sometimes if you’re in solid with the course manager they’ll let you thin the the heard in the early hours. Like ticks they are, around here. Same with the deers, which are quite large because of the eating of the corn.
Comment by B Moe on 6/28 @ 9:15 am #
Anybody seen Sammy lately?
Comment by B Moe on 6/28 @ 9:21 am #
A common occurrence with thor.
Comment by Sam Hall on 6/28 @ 10:48 am #
Hey, Republican-city-faggot, I not only learned to shoot my 410 when I was six, I learned to load my own, meaning black powder and the hand molds dipped molten lead meant for my .38.
Nailed you, poser. You know fuck-all about guns or hunting, and if you have any sense of shame you’ll own up before you get schooled.
I suspect you’re a wikipedia-skimmer about most of the subjects you claim mastery of. Consider the rock lifted and the light shining in. Squirm away, poser grub.
Comment by B Moe on 6/28 @ 10:59 am #
I don’t think you will find any mention of bob-tail deer in wikipedia, Sam. Only in thor’s fever dreams.
Comment by Sam Hall on 6/28 @ 11:11 am #
Thor has always struck me as false. Most of his posts are adolescent turd-tossing. When he does have an extensive post, it reads like a cut-and-paste from some other author. Different styles, word usage, etc. And for the posts where he pretends expetise in a certain area, he clearly is unfamiliar with the subject. Odds are he’s a web-skimming poser, probably an adolescent. Certainly his behavior here is very like that of an early teen boy.
Comment by geoffb on 6/28 @ 11:23 am #
Serr8d,
Could you use a T/C Contender in .410 gauge for doves?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 6/28 @ 12:02 pm #
I have said before that it was the Industrial Revolution that liberated women. The manufacture of so many household labor saving devices allowed women to enter the job market because their labor wasn’t needed at home to the extent it was before.
And yes, I have darned socks. (never cursed them, though) I use a glass jar as my darning egg.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 6/28 @ 12:08 pm #
BTW – I also have clothes lines down in the basement. Very useful, especially in winter when introducing some moisture into the air is a good thing.
Comment by Sam Hall on 6/28 @ 12:13 pm #
I’ve damned socks. Does that count? They were quite crispy…
Comment by Mikey NTH on 6/28 @ 12:30 pm #
I once hit a turkey on the driving range. Pure chance.
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