via Conservatives for Patients Rights the key statement on what ObamaCare promises comes at 1:23
I think there’s definitely a sort of feeling that there’s only so much money in the pot, let’s not waste it on people who are going to die anyway
Oh, that won’t happen here? Well then you are not paying attention to the Senate hearings where one Professor Stuart Altman pretty well laid the ration cards on the table
People are using technologies that really don’t work at all or keep people alive for very limited or very high costs, hospice is one option, but we do need to take account of the costs, ya know, I hate to say it, the cost benefits of some of the things we do.
As Hugh Hewitt remarks
this is a message to older Americans that they are the target of health care “reform,” and that they are going to find themselves the first to run into rationing. Mortuaries should be gearing up for the transition to ObamaCare because the life expectancy of the elderly is going to take a sudden turn for the worse under any cost-benefit analysis of treatment of older Americans.
Medicare is already broken, paying out more then they take in from payroll taxes … and Obama’s answer? Medicare for ALL!!!
What we are getting is HillaryCare’s pink pantsuit, retailored and dyed to Obama’s specifications and trotted out as something NEW! IMPROVED! CHANGIEHOPEYTUDENESS!!
We either reject delivery of these toxic goods or we prepare to kill off “unworthy” Americans (seniors, disabled, premies) in order to meet the bottom line.
Comment by router on 5/13 @ 9:19 pm #
if you kill babies first you don’t have this old people problem or “defectives thing”. self annihilate
Comment by mcgruder on 5/13 @ 9:19 pm #
im probably not a good one to comment on this.
Under a Mcgruder presidency, there wouldn’t be a medicare, at least notionally, so that would probably kill a lot of people earlier than the actuarial tables would have it.
Comment by SBP on 5/13 @ 9:20 pm #
More on the wonders of socialized medicine: in the event of a flu pandemic, up to 85% of British NHS workers would stay home.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 5/13 @ 9:21 pm #
Under government health care, people are state wards and liabilities.
Pretty heated “discussion” in the comments at that YT clip, too.
Comment by router on 5/13 @ 9:30 pm #
not gold. invest in funeral homes and crematoriums and soylent green NOW>
Comment by serr8d on 5/13 @ 9:57 pm #
And we never did see flying cars, now did we? Shame, that.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 5/13 @ 9:59 pm #
Medicare is already broken, paying out more then they take in from payroll taxes … and Obama’s answer? Medicare for ALL!!!
Bush’s prescription drug boondoggle didn’t help, either. What a fucking mess.
Comment by geoffb on 5/13 @ 10:56 pm #
Though I’ve rarely been sick since I left elementary school I’ve been the goto guy in my family, both blood and in-law, to deal with the medical/legal affairs. The best people I’ve dealt with have been in the private sector.
Doctors generally great to good. Nurses and office staff too. Insurance companies some very good, some average, most at least try to help. I’ve had dealings directly with drug companies and they were all fine, sometimes great.
Then we get to the government ones. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Services, Social Security. Medicare and Social Security can be a lot of paperwork and running around but generally, usually the people are trying to help. It’s a nightmare system though like all big entrenched bureaucracy. You have to run to keep up with the angles or you can get screwed.
Medicaid and Social Services however are different. Dealing with them is like you are the crook and they are the cops. They have to deal with you but would rather not as you are a nuisance, an annoyance. I expect they will be the Obama model for not just Healthcare but everything he touches.
We are going to all be guilty, until proven not guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. The Left deciding what reasonable, doubt, and moral is that day, each day.
Comment by JSchuler on 5/14 @ 12:04 am #
It’s the folly of the idea to control “costs,” where “cost” is actually defined as “spending.” Caring individuals, who in my estimation make up the vast majority of the population, will stretch their budgets to the limit to care for ill family members. As people live longer, medicine becomes more effective, and the economy grows, spending will continue to increase, regardless of any scientific breakthroughs, private health care reforms, or cultural lifestyle changes, because people don’t spend to reach a threshold of care. Instead, they spend to reach the maximum quality of care they can afford. The only way to restrain spending is to make it illegal to spend above a certain level, which is another way of making it illegal to keep certain people alive or alive within an acceptable standard of living.
If you want to cut costs, where cost is actually defined as the amount of time, resources, and talent (and thus, money) related to the performance of an individual task, there are ways to do that, such as tort reform, making the FDA approval process voluntary, patent reform, etc. But, again, no matter what you do here, it will have little to no effect on the total amount spent on health care in this country, because people will just use those savings to increase the level of care already being offered.
Comment by lee on 5/14 @ 12:23 am #
JSchuler, most excellent comment.
Comment by JD on 5/14 @ 2:13 am #
Oh, those murderous fuckers should go fuck their fucking fuckity selves.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 5/14 @ 4:51 am #
If you want to see some real opposition to socialist medicine, talk to someone who grew up with it, like my wife.
The very thought of the government taking over our health care sends shivers up her back.
Comment by Rusty on 5/14 @ 5:10 am #
Not to worry. The “O” will perform the ‘laying on of hands’ and you shall rise up whole. Blessed be the “O”. Amen.
Comment by Pablo on 5/14 @ 6:32 am #
Hey, as long as we can address the world’s biggest health threat, we should be OK. Heart disease? No. Cancer? No. Obesity? No. Swine flu? No.
Climate change.
Who needs the Weekly World News when you’ve got The Lancet?
Comment by Joe on 5/14 @ 6:52 am #
Death can be beautiful. The old need to make way for the youth and connected party members. It is their duty to go away and die.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 5/14 @ 7:12 am #
I’ve said it before and I’m going to say it many, many more times. People who hate their HMO’s are going to really hate it when the Government is their HMO.
Comment by plainslow on 5/14 @ 7:12 am #
So Richard Lamn was ahead of his time with “we have a duty to die.” ?
Comment by MarkD on 5/14 @ 7:34 am #
My goal is to get back every dime of the over $200K in payroll taxes my employer and I have paid, with interest, and then some. I may have to outlive Grandma Lucy to do it, and she made it to 98, but I will.
So far anyway, it’s all give, no get on SS and Medicare. I’m no outlaw, just obstreperous.
Comment by Carin on 5/14 @ 7:46 am #
Fucking climate change. Shit, I can’t even plant my veggies because of the temperatures.
Comment by geoffb on 5/14 @ 8:55 am #
Want to save billions of lives.
Eliminate all forms of socialism. That is the disease of the planet that has killed more than any other cause. It is reaching epidemic proportions everywhere on Earth. Threatening the lives of every living thing, right now.
Surgery, Anti-socialism
drugsideas, vaccines, all need to be researched, developed and used to stop this scourge.Comment by N. O'Brain on 5/14 @ 9:06 am #
“People who hate their HMO’s are going to really hate it when the Government is their HMO.”
Brought to you by the same people who control the Washington DC public schools, the USPS and the IRS.
Comment by ginwa on 5/14 @ 3:44 pm #
I will be interested in seeing how well these elderly college perfessers face the reality of their socialist utopia.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/14 @ 7:03 pm #
Thus the solution to the pension/healthcare problem: Gas the Geezers.
Kate Mengele would approve. I mean, they aren’t contributing to the Greater Reich anymore, are they?
Comment by geoffb on 5/14 @ 7:21 pm #
Busy cooking dinner and posted this to the wrong thread.
Obama-care, for when three trimesters just isn’t enough.
They do believe that “the people” are the problem, so they will junk us and get a shiny new one.
Comment by SporkLift Driver on 5/15 @ 12:01 am #
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In many places in Britain over half those NHS workers don’t have anything to do with treating patients or running a hospital anyway. So it’s really not that bad is it? 8)
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