From the WSJ:
In Ricci v. DeStefano, firefighters in New Haven, Connecticut who passed a qualifying exam were denied promotions to lieutenant or captain because of the color of their skin. They were white.The High Court will decide whether New Haven violated civil rights law and the Constitution when it threw out the results of the examinations after no black test takers passed. The city doesn’t deny that its decision to scrap the test was based on race, but it justifies it under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which requires employers not to rely on exams that have a racially disparate impact. If it promoted the white candidates, the city says, it would face lawsuits from the black candidates.
A federal court agreed and dismissed the case before it went to trial. The court further concluded that the city’s action did not violate the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. No racial discrimination occurred, the court said, because all the results were disregarded and nobody was promoted. Imagine the outcry if the races of those who passed or failed had been reversed.
Ricci next went to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, where a three-judge panel affirmed the lower court’s unpublished decision in a cursory statement that did not address the core Constitutional issues. The lack of discussion — and paper trail — in such an important case is unusual. One of the judges on the panel was Sonia Sotomayor, who is almost certainly on President Obama’s short list for the Supreme Court.
When the full appeals court voted 7-6 against re-hearing Ricci, Judge Jose Cabranes wrote a dissent noting that the panel’s summary order contains only “a single substantive paragraph” and that “this Court has failed to grapple with the questions of exceptional importance raised in this appeal.” He said the plaintiffs “must now look to the Supreme Court.”
Given the current Court’s 4-4 conservative-liberal split, the fate of the firefighters probably hangs on the protean jurisprudence of Justice Anthony Kennedy. He has been skeptical of race-based government schemes, going back to his early years on the Court in Richmond v. Croson in 1989. “The moral imperative of racial neutrality is the driving force of the Equal Protection Clause,” Justice Kennedy wrote in that racial set-asides case. He also concurred in Justice Roberts’s opinion in the Seattle schools case, though taking a more narrow view. Schools can be “race-conscious,” he wrote, though race can’t be the only or controlling factor.
Well, it’s more than just that. Kennedy essentially legitimized the idea of “diversity” as it is currently used — meaning he gave legal weight to the idea that the color of someone’s skin is more important, in determining what is “diverse,” than the content of their characters. So determining how Kennedy will rule on such issues is a toss-up at best.
And in fact, the Justice Department seems to be counting on Kennedy kicking the can down the road, much like O’Connor did on affirmative action during the Bush administration:
A danger in Ricci is that Justice Kennedy will join the Court’s liberals and decide not to decide. That’s the option urged by the Justice Department, which proposes sending the case back to a lower court for further study. Justice says the city acted properly in throwing out the tests, assuming that it did so not as “a pretext for race discrimination.” Except that seems to be exactly what New Haven did. The facts of Ricci are not in dispute and Justice’s proposal smells like a political maneuver to deep-six a controversial case [my emphasis].New Haven can’t be faulted for aiming to make its fire department more diverse. As part of a multiracial, multiethnic society, we all have a stake in encouraging minorities to participate in the modern workplace and rise to leadership positions. At the same time, there’s got to be a better way to accomplish this goal than by denying promotions to workers who earned them under a well understood process open to all candidates.
Employers deserve clarity about what they can and cannot do without risk of being sued. And the Ricci plaintiffs deserve to have the law applied equally — whatever the color of their skin.
I agree with the WSJ editorial writers on the larger point, but again, I don’t see how skin color necessarily equates to diversity. Which is why I find their almost perfunctory invocation of the good of “diversity” in the editorial problematic and, ultimately, self-defeating: because if what we are after is clarity on racial justice issues, a good place to begin, it seems to me, is with a deconstruction of cultural platitudes of the kind that has editorial writers arguing that diversity is both a legitimate goal and is tied to skin color, then endeavoring, in the same argument, to unknot themselves by suggesting that race-consciousness, while legitimate and desirable, must be canceled out by race neutrality.
In the end, Chief Justice Roberts said it best: “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
It is when Justices try to mitigate the straightforward truth of such a statement to appease the perpetually race-conscious that they get into intellectual trouble, and perforce begin acting as philosopher kings rather than interpreters of the law.
(h/t Terry H)
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 2:58 pm #
I don’t care about dirty socialist union scum firefighters what will be just fine making up for their lack of promotion by abusing overtime. It might just be I have a cold though.
Comment by Ella on 4/23 @ 3:06 pm #
Dude, I wish I got overtime. I’d totally abuse it.
I kind of abuse my regular time, too, though.
/me returns to work.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 4/23 @ 3:08 pm #
Interesting and per usual I agree 100% with you. John McWhorter has an interesting piece that deals a little more with the racial dynamic. Here it is:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=7b72fffc-f7b5-4a94-8221-d0dbfd60e4fb
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 4/23 @ 3:09 pm #
Hey, there you are, Ella. I just wanted to say thank you for a comment you made to me the other day. I had just despaired a little (something about embracing nihilism as a Christian) and you said something to me that set my mind at ease. Again, thanks.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 3:10 pm #
oh. I’m all about the abusing. I just think if Baracky’s dirty socialist presidency is to succeed with respect to achieving unprecedented social strife and class warfare then I better do my part.
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 3:22 pm #
hf
What is “abusing overtime”? You do realize, of course, that it is cheaper to pay overtime than to hire more people.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 3:26 pm #
This is teh abusing, Darleen, and as a faithful reader of firefightingnews.com what I can tell you is it’s this sort of abuse what tars all of the dirty socialist union scum firefighting community a lot unfairly.
Comment by Makewi on 4/23 @ 3:28 pm #
Throwing out the test results because no black takers passed cannot be seen as anything other than hanging a sign saying “non blacks need not apply” unless it can be shown that the test was somehow prejudiced against blacks.
Comment by dicentra on 4/23 @ 3:33 pm #
What Makewi said.
And the idea that lots of skin colors = diversity would only apply to the ranks of the KKK.
In Latin America, you’ve got all kinds of diversity in terms of skin color, but not a lot in terms of equality and whatnot. As far as character diversity, which occurs in all societies, skin color didn’t exactly correlate. Nor did socioeconomic status or religion or whatever other category you wanted to apply.
Comment by The Monster on 4/23 @ 3:34 pm #
I want to see some white guys and Asians insist on equal hiring practices in the NBA. Whatever the coaches and GMs use as criteria have a disparate impact. Blacks account for what, 12% of the population, so on a 12-man squad that would be less than two players per team. Granted, the Asian population is even lower, so there might be some teams without any, but isn’t Yao the only ethnic Chinese in the league?
Comment by Tim Mcnabb on 4/23 @ 3:35 pm #
I want my firefighters to be uniformly qualified. Preferably highly qualified. No diversity.
Comment by TheUnrepentantGeek on 4/23 @ 3:35 pm #
Question is, did the vendor that developed the written multiple choice component of the test (it had multiple components and IIRC the complaints were the written MC exam) look for an equally valid assessment with less disparate impact? If so, and the job analysis (assuming they did one … I hope) supports the use of such an instrument, there’s not a requirement to throw out the test. Let them complain. If the adverse impact is justified it’s ok to have adverse impact.
A lot of places will throw out exams with high disparate impact just because they don’t deal with the complaints, but that doesn’t mean you should. Curious to see how this turns out.
Comment by Joe on 4/23 @ 3:37 pm #
They all look black after they come out from fighting a fire.
Firefighting is tough work and so long the promotion test is neutral and focused on the skills needed for leadership roles in firefighting (which involve brains and phsyical fitness) race should not be a factor.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/23 @ 3:38 pm #
I also wonder when some governmental body is going to stand up to the racial McCarthyites. Chief Justice Roberts has it correct; can he convince a majority of the court that the day has come to end this?
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 3:41 pm #
“Still, we justify the rhetorical contortions that excuse black people from challenging examinations; in the end, it is based on a tacit sense that such things are antithetical to black authenticity, that it is somehow untoward to require this kind of concentrated scholarly exertion on black people.”
Good link, Obstreperous Infidel.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/23 @ 3:45 pm #
Of course, I don’t even know what the questions on the test were and if they were related to the jobs the applicants were testing for. (My guess is the test questions were relevant, but I don’t know.) The purpose of having a written exam (especially a multiple chice portion) is to have an objective measurement in order to weed out favoritism of any kind – obviously.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 3:49 pm #
Ironically, these exams are developed to avoid complaints of discrimination/political favoritism/nepotism. Taxpayers didn’t exactly get their money’s worth that time.
God forbid they leave hiring and promotion decisions to a competent, ethical administrator who, knowing he can get sued no matter WHAT he does, makes a choice based on the interests of the agency and taxpayer.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 3:50 pm #
It’s not about stopping discrimination, it’s about redress for past discrimination. You’d think a Chief Justice would have the ability to identify the topic at hand.
Comment by dicentra on 4/23 @ 3:54 pm #
it’s about redress for past discrimination
Because as soon as you “redress” racial discrimination (how much would it take? $200,000? $4.2 million?), racial minorities will stop being unhappy and whites will stop being mean.
Just like that. Overnight. You’ll be surprised at how easy it is.
Comment by lee on 4/23 @ 3:55 pm #
See, I don’t have a problem with that. As someone that works by the hour (non-union by the way), if someone wants to work their ass off to earn more, more power to them.
Besides, how much does the average congresscritter make? I’d rather pay that kind of salary to someone putting out fires than those that fan them…
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 3:55 pm #
hf
I thought that is what you are referring to. But where is the “abuse”?
Look, I’m a supervisor, I don’t get overtime (only comp time) but I work at a 24/7 facility and we just could not function without getting staff to cover overtime shifts. The last 2 week period alone we covered 310 overtime shifts. Some people volunteer for those shifts, others don’t want to work as much (our limit is that no one can work over 128 total hours in two weeks).
It ain’t abuse if it is necessary. And like I said, many institutions, especially ones that are 24/7 (police, fire, prisons, hospitals) cannot justify employing enough people so that no one works overtime.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 3:57 pm #
It’s not about stopping discrimination, it’s about redress for past discrimination.
Which can’t be done, but I do appreciate your being honest for a change.
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 3:57 pm #
Sure, lets redress former slaves, maybe even members of their immediate families.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 3:58 pm #
What Thomas Sowell refers to as “cosmic justice”, Thor. Society chasing it’s tail attempting to right the wrongs done by and upon the long dead. Ethic purge, anyone?
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 3:59 pm #
It’s not about stopping discrimination.
Focus.
Comment by Kresh on 4/23 @ 4:00 pm #
“In the end, Chief Justice Roberts said it best: “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.—
So would it be fair to say that those most concerned with racism are racists? Sounds about right to me.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:03 pm #
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 3:57 pm #
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 3:58 pm #
Please ignore the retarded marmoset.
Thank you.
Comment by Makewi on 4/23 @ 4:04 pm #
It’s not about stopping discrimination, it’s about redress for past discrimination.
The best part is that this redress can be redefined at the whim of those demanding it, has no measurable benchmarks to establish success or failure, and carries with it the ability to define opponents of the first two features as racists.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 4:05 pm #
I will consider your views about the overtime. I don’t get overtime but I get a lot of perks. Like this one client sent me a pair of little plastic USB speakers recently. That was so great.
Comment by lee on 4/23 @ 4:05 pm #
As with the war on drugs, with the huge money making legal system built up around it, those that are fighting the war on racism would be devastated if the problem was seen as fixed.
Or the assholes among us would declare it’s still relevant because of past racism. Whatever.
As the country that was most instrumental in ending slavery, I think American blacks should pay more taxes than others. It would be the patriotic thing to do. /sarcasm>
Comment by Wm T Sherman on 4/23 @ 4:07 pm #
They should take this to the next level and abolish the fire department. What is the department, other than a place where minorities can be humiliated by low test scores? Time to move onward from this failed model.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:07 pm #
Comment by Makewi on 4/23 @ 4:04 pm #
Please ignore the lying bandwidth thief.
Thank you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:08 pm #
Why not reinstitute commercial fire departments?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:09 pm #
There are still houses in Philly with fire plaques over the front door.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:09 pm #
My great-grandfather was a serf in Slovakia. I think Barry O should invade, and give me back the property that’s rightfully mine.
And pay for Rosetta so I can learn the effin’ language.
Justice!
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 4:10 pm #
Thomas Sowell is entitled to his opinion, as are you, but there is no time limit to court mandated redress based on the life span of the perps. The most pertinent consideration for moving solely toward race neutral is whether or not the redress has been achieved.
I think it’s good for select whites who lack a conscience and certain white revisionists of history to get a good long taste of reverse discrimination. Their howls of anger allow us to revisit how blacks must have felt, and, of course, it makes for good comedy.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:14 pm #
Please ignore the dissembling slime mold.
Thank you.
Comment by lee on 4/23 @ 4:15 pm #
My great-great granpappy died fighting for Lincoln to end slavery, I think blacks should pay me, oh, around 3.8 billion dollars for my families sacrifice for their benifit.
REPARATIONS BABY!!!
Comment by JD on 4/23 @ 4:16 pm #
What a fucking imbecile.
Comment by Squid on 4/23 @ 4:18 pm #
As a Minnesotan, what is the dollar amount of redress I can get for being descended from the First Minnesota regiment that took such a heavy beating at Antietam, Bull Run, and especially Gettysburg? ‘Cuz unless I hear otherwise, my bill was paid in full nearly 150 years ago.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:22 pm #
“Their howls of anger allow us to revisit how blacks must have felt, and, of course, it makes for good comedy.”
“Felt” is past tense. Justice has been served!!
And what is “reverse discrimination”? My mom’s from Italy, Nubians invaded and enslaved us many times. Was their later enslavement in the American South a “good long taste of reverse discrimination”?
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 4:22 pm #
lee
I am actually a descendant of bond slaves (unlike Obama). I expect a check, too.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 4:22 pm #
I don’t think this allows for the black ones to have as much dignity as the ones who get jobs based on merit. I don’t get how you would ever ask for a raise if you already know that you’re dragging the organization down just by showing up every day. It’s just sort of institutionalizing a loser attitude I think, this affirmative action thing.
Comment by LTC John on 4/23 @ 4:24 pm #
So the decision that “redress” has been finally been fully made… is to be left to those who are the benficiaries of the “redress”. No worries there!
So, anyone know the html code for me to type the infinty symbol?
Comment by Abe Froman on 4/23 @ 4:26 pm #
I think it’s good for select whites who lack a conscience and certain white revisionists of history to get a good long taste of reverse discrimination. Their howls of anger allow us to revisit how blacks must have felt, and, of course, it makes for good comedy.
Says the little bitch who lives off mommy and daddy’s money.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:32 pm #
Hope no one clones up neanderthals, every human on the PLANET would owe them, for our competing and clubbing them into extinction.
Comment by LTC John on 4/23 @ 4:32 pm #
Jeff, spare us all from my typing. Spellcheck, please!
Comment by Sdferr on 4/23 @ 4:32 pm #
Trying “& infin ;” without the spaces LTC.
∞
Comment by LTC John on 4/23 @ 4:34 pm #
#46, NO way, man. I ain’t taking the fall for what Cro-Magnon did. I’m blaming them!
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:35 pm #
Oy, that reductio ad absurdum is exhausting. I should’ve heeded N. O’Brain’s marmoset caution.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:35 pm #
Just type & ignore the talking asshole.
Spaces don’t matter.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:36 pm #
Told ya, Dan.
Comment by Diana on 4/23 @ 4:36 pm #
Mr. O’Brain …
You really need to install Trollhammer. You’ll thank yourself.
Just think … if trolls used it, they’d just be talking to themselves.
Comment by Adriane on 4/23 @ 4:38 pm #
The reason I supported the War in Iraq was the possibility of Reparations for my Irish ancestors who were kidnapped by the Norse and sold in Iraq as slaves for the silver mines.
Have not heard if any progress has been made upon the matter …
Comment by LTC John on 4/23 @ 4:38 pm #
So, how long until the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world say “enough, we have had redress made unto us” ∞ years?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:38 pm #
Squid, try Stephen Sears “Gettysburg”.
Great read.
Comment by LTC John on 4/23 @ 4:39 pm #
Thanks Sdferr!
Comment by Sdferr on 4/23 @ 4:43 pm #
de nada, LTC, happy to oblige.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:43 pm #
…damn, now I’m gonna be up all night thinking about the neanderthal opportunity cost of extinction. Their missed role in the UFC alone…
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/23 @ 4:47 pm #
Me, I like to throw in questions about how successful the strategy has been in getting us closer to the goal of a race-neutral playing field.
But I’m all racisty like that.
Comment by Rick Ballard on 4/23 @ 4:47 pm #
“As the country that was most instrumental in ending slavery,”
Not by a long shot. The British Whigs (under Fox), after being convinced through a very long battle in Parliament, led by Wilberforce and, finally, Pitt did much, much more. We certainly expended the most blood in resolving the issue though.
And that blood wiped out the debt forever. Just my opinion.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 4:47 pm #
Comment by Diana on 4/23 @ 4:36 pm #
Thanks, Diana, but I’m using IE.
Plus there’s the sheer pleasure in exposing that lying, bandwidth stealing pussy for what he is with each and every one of his mendouchious natterings.
Remember, whore is a slimemold with the intelligence of Corky the Retard and the soul of a Gestapo torturer, a creature so vile that he couldn’t lick the sand from my sons combat boots.
Comment by Gustaf Oxenstierna on 4/23 @ 4:51 pm #
Mr thor:
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Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 4:55 pm #
My experience is that it’s rare and difficult to successfully cry discrimination at hiring, but it’s always attempted at firing. End result is minority applicants are hired less, and only if they appear to be total kissasses. Not exactly progress.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/23 @ 4:59 pm #
Redress for past discrimination against other people?
Russia is going to have a hard time footing that bill!
As would any nation. Danes: “We have a little bill for damages for those two attacks on Denmark during the Napoleonic Wars.” Britain: “Funny you bring that up. Here’s our bill for the Vikings.” Ireland: “Hey! I’ve got one for both of you!”
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/23 @ 5:01 pm #
Mikey NTH — imagine the lawsuit against the American natives for slaughtering peaceful Norse settlers!
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:04 pm #
Mao’s kids are pretty screwed.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 4/23 @ 5:14 pm #
At last the perfect anti-AGW argument. The fucking glaciers have it coming.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/23 @ 5:25 pm #
Just look what they did to that poor Italian guy!
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:26 pm #
Glaciers, and their right-wing lies of working for a level playing field.
Wait a minute…
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/23 @ 5:29 pm #
Or you could just let the dead past remain dead and do better in the future?
No money in that, is there?
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:33 pm #
What about the neanderthals? Think of what they could’ve taught us about removal of unwanted body hair?
My hope is that when enough people cry discrimination, it’ll all become background noise.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 5:35 pm #
?
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 5:41 pm #
It has nothing to do with whether I think you’re racist or if you think I’m racist. The topic is whether the redress that’s been ordered by and approved by our Suspreme Court has been fulfilled, the same Court that protects your freedom to express your opinions, and/or your freedom to idnetify another country whose courts and laws you agree with more than the U.S.’s so that you might relocate there and bask in agreement with that country’s legal system’s rulings.
Focus. Besides, Barack Obama spoke of AA in similar terms as those above during his successful ascension to the Presidency and clearly stated that a healthy debate of affirmative action’s finality was necessary. But as long as AA is the law of the land it is to be respected, else LTC John might have to intervene on behalf of the gov’t to protect those laws. That’s some irony soup, that!
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 5:45 pm #
I make snide comments about people what get affirmative action. Well usually I say they are losers. That’s not snide exactly it’s more disapproving I guess.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:46 pm #
Nice post, router. I’m sure I’m not alone here believing Barry O is intentionally burying the economy (darts at the phone book could pick a better cabinet) just to be the needed savior for troubled times. And we’ll get a second round of FDR-like powergrab.
Meanwhile the court is twisting all over itself trying to reconcile a paternalistic state with a constitution and common law history of property rights, individual rights and limited government.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 5:46 pm #
Please ignore the talking crap sandwich.
Thank you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 5:48 pm #
“If Republicans did to minority children what the Democrats do, through their education policies, they would be denounced as the worst racists on earth.”
-David Horowitz
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 5:52 pm #
Hi there, little pink-pantied pissy bitch. Any imaginary EvooooL Communists cause burning in your urinary tract today?
Those warm burning sensations make ‘em Commies feel so real, eh, pissy swish.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:55 pm #
“But as long as AA is the law of the land”
HUH? Marmosetland.
Sorry, N. O’Brain, that was the last time. I vow never to read thor again. With hand on “The Road to Serfdom” I swear.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 5:55 pm #
I think it’s good for select whites who lack a conscience and certain white revisionists of history to get a good long taste of reverse discrimination.
Reverse discrimination? You have an MFA in English and you just used the phrase reverse discrimination?
The topic is whether the redress that’s been ordered by and approved by our Suspreme Court has been fulfilled…
No. The topic is discrimination. Read the original post. Focus.
And look up the definition of redress while you are at it.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 5:57 pm #
…and nice Horowitz quote. Soft racism is the worse kind.
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 4/23 @ 5:59 pm #
“New Haven can’t be faulted for aiming to make its fire department more diverse.”
Of course it can. I don’t care if my firefighters are 200 lb micks or 7-foot freaking Zulus. I want people who are really good at putting out fires. Anything else IS race-based and discriminatory.
Comment by Gormless Worm on 4/23 @ 5:59 pm #
The litigants are going down the wrong road. They should be approaching their case from a Waiver and Estoppel basis. Simply put, the local municipality outlined the basis for hiring. The applicants agreed to that process and proceeded to be tested verbally and in written form. The scores were released…and the municipality voided the agreement without cause (should the Federal Court and Appellate Court be taken at their word). In essence, the poor decisions by both Courts just made it easier for the litigants to win, but they are going to have to re-file.
Worm
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:00 pm #
You don’t have an MFA in English and that, Bmoe, is at the heart of your inability to define authorial intent.
Historic inevitability of Revolution! Catch that phrase.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:05 pm #
You’d think with a name like Horowitz a higher plane of regard would be given to hard racism, as in the fuckin’ ovens of Auschwitz.
But Horowitz is entitled to his
assholeopinion as well.Comment by SmokeVanThorn on 4/23 @ 6:08 pm #
God, thor is a complete numbnuts.
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 6:12 pm #
Worm, if this got in front of a jury, don’t you think the heroic, kitten saving firefighter would get a nice settlement for being jacked around by the system?
Comment by Spiny Norman on 4/23 @ 6:13 pm #
Smoke,
The word “numbnuts” implies that perhaps he can’t help himself, that he doesn’t know any better. I beg to differ. He knows exactly what he saying and what he’s doing. He’s a vile little fascist.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:14 pm #
Nice. Trading vows. I dig it when two-skirted lesbo brides share a deep, wet kiss at the close of a gay wedding ceremony.
You bitches are perfect for one another. Now you two can pussy fart one each others tongues with the blessing of the State.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:15 pm #
one = on
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 6:17 pm #
“Comment by SmokeVanThorn on 4/23 @ 6:08 pm #
God, thor is a complete numbnuts.”
Then ignore him.
Thank you.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 6:19 pm #
why?
Comment by Abe Froman on 4/23 @ 6:19 pm #
You’d think with a name like Horowitz a higher plane of regard would be given to hard racism, as in the fuckin’ ovens of Auschwitz.
But Horowitz is entitled to his asshole opinion as well.
Actually he was a leftist moron like you are. Only one with more balls and courage since he worked with the Black Panthers rather than fellating himself and value investing with his parents’ money. You should try getting some actual life experiences. As it is you always sound like a virgin talking about sex.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:19 pm #
You don’t have an MFA in English and that, Bmoe, is at the heart of your inability to define authorial intent.
No, BMoe, not having an MFA in English mostly means you’re not qualified to teach Creative Writing at a community college.
But that’s about it.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 6:21 pm #
You don’t have an MFA in English and that, Bmoe, is at the heart of your inability to define authorial intent.
I know exactly what your intent was, that is why I pointed out your ridiculous word choice. The reverse of discrimination is to be indiscriminate, which is not what you meant at all, now is it?
And real redress is only achieved if the aggrieved parties are involved, what you are advocating is just more of the same, it solves nothing, penalizes the innocent and rewards the undeserving. That isn’t justice, it is the same old bullshit political snake oil fools like you have been falling for since forever.
Comment by Gustaf Oxenstierna on 4/23 @ 6:22 pm #
So how about it, Mr thor? Are you interested? (see #63)
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 6:22 pm #
” NO way, man. I ain’t taking the fall for what Cro-Magnon did. I’m blaming them!”
Still laughing. Anthro-snitch!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 6:23 pm #
Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, ignore the nattering nabob.
Thank you.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:25 pm #
Yeah, right, and I’m British. You’re probably the descendant of the penniless oafs that still owe my descendants money.
I’ll accept your family’s debt payments in cash, thank you. BTW, compound interest is a bitch.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:25 pm #
Sorry, N. O’Brian, his Declarations from the “Mighty MFA Pulpit” have grown less tolerable as of late.
Comment by Squid on 4/23 @ 6:31 pm #
Oh great god of thunder, please hear our words: We beseech thee to cease the mixing of thine medications with the strong drink of the vine, for verily, it makest thou incoherent and maketh thine humble servants to tremble in fear that in thy stumbling rage thou might’st smite our humble village with a few stray thunderbolts.
Hear our prayer, oh great lord of lightning! Mix not the pills and the drink! For thy blind incoherent rage dost frighten us!
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:31 pm #
My Scottish ancestors emigrated to Bullitt County, KY, and were slave-owners (singular).
Is it wrong that I feel no white guilt?
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 6:32 pm #
classic demorat
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:33 pm #
I’m not advocating. I’m framing the debate in reality.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 6:35 pm #
classic demorat
Comment by Dan Are on 4/23 @ 6:36 pm #
“Is it wrong that I feel no white guilt?”
Blame yourself for being white? RrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRACIST!
bBlame and renounce yourself at the same time!
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:39 pm #
Not really.
Poles, Scots, certain Romi, etc.., you’re not actually considered White-White. You’re simply pale.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 6:42 pm #
Susan Boyle is a Scot I believe and she’s white enough I’d say. Sings like an angel what fell from heaven she does.
Comment by dicentra on 4/23 @ 6:43 pm #
My hope is that when enough people cry discrimination, it’ll all become background noise.
We passed that point a couple decades back. The part about enough people crying discrimination. Instead of becoming background noise, it’s become the Dem’s theme song.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:43 pm #
You know, I’ve always thought (selfishly, I know) that teachers should be tipped for particularly good lectures or class discussions.
Can I suggest that this post and the consequent thread are tip-worthy? I’ve kicked in some of my ill-gotten, tax-free gains–this time from raking and bagging stacks of wet oak leaves for eight hours–probably not much, but as much as possible right now.
Give until it hurts, ok?
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:45 pm #
Oh, and that first ancestor–from Orkney–landed in Maine in the 1600’s. He killed so many “Native Peoples” that they composed poetry about him.
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 6:46 pm #
Sorry Walthor
but first my family was sold out of debtors prison in England (so the debt was paid there), then as soon as they hit the New World 1697 they were sold again to work a plantation in Virginia
60 odd years later they PAID off their bond (my grand-uncle Dallas Click has the papers)
True to emancipation and entrepenuership, they moved into Kentucky, farmed, owned/ran a sawmill on Arkansas Creek and generally were/are independent folk.
You’ll just have to live off your parents’ money and when that runs out, actually venture out of their basement and get a job.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:47 pm #
And she landed on her face.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 6:48 pm #
My ancestors were not very nice to black people I don’t think. It’s cause they were racists is why.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 6:50 pm #
Add advocating and reality to words you don’t know the meaning of.
You couldn’t pass English as a second language at a real college.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 6:50 pm #
You’re we’re-heroes-we’re-broke stories always change, Duuh-Dar.
But some things never change, as in my family and I have money while you and yours don’t.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:51 pm #
Darleen:
Another branch of my family lived as sharecroppers in Southern Indiana and Northern Kentucky. After three generations, they finally broke the cycle by sending one of the youngest brothers north to work in a Chevrolet plant in Muncie, IN. He then brought the family up “north,” one by one.
I’m sure that there are some descendants of that landowner who owes me BIG.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 6:54 pm #
My hope is that some day people will understand what discrimination means. I want to scream every time I hear some pinhead bitch about a test being discriminatory.
What other kind of test is there?
Comment by Akatsukami on 4/23 @ 6:55 pm #
“The topic is whether the redress that’s been ordered by and approved by our Suspreme Court has been fulfilled”
So when SCOTUS rules that it has been fulfilled, we can spit on the race whores like Jackson, Sharpton, and thor.
Comment by Timstigator on 4/23 @ 6:55 pm #
Coming to a culture near you…the definition of racist: those who obsess about all things racial.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 6:56 pm #
what about mulattos they are in the mix too
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 6:56 pm #
You know another thing that never changes? Money can’t buy talent.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 6:57 pm #
thor your plantation need workers for little money?
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 6:59 pm #
*owe*
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 6:59 pm #
this is a ballad for thor what is for him
Comment by Patrick, Mayor of Scotumwah Iowa on 4/23 @ 7:01 pm #
thor, you couldn’t frame a debate if I miter-cut the slats and predrilled the holes for you. Your sole purpose in life is to loudly break wind in everybody’s lunch, and then to blame society and the VRWC for it. You truly are a parody of intelligent and thoughtful life, just articulate enough to get most of the words and punctuation correct but not quite enough to actually make a patriotic or reasonable case. And if you weren’t so amusing, I’d switch to my other browser and Trollhammer you. You are endless entertainment, in a perverse and wasteful sort of way.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 7:05 pm #
Actually I’ve got to drive up to Clay County and check on a small 400-acre tract up there, one of many parcels we own. Gotta make sure my dopey hick cousins aren’t farming it and make sure nobody is squatting on it. It’s sits on a lovely shale formation. Wink-wink. Dwill-baby-dwill!
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 7:06 pm #
feets–that’s a good song, but it’s not gonna make my IPod like your “Whatever Bubbles, Bubbles Up” did.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 7:06 pm #
“The definition of a Racist is anybody winning an argument with a liberal.”
-Bill Whittle
Comment by Gustaf Oxenstierna on 4/23 @ 7:07 pm #
Mr. thor:
I take it by your silence that you have rejected my offer to be a contributor to Modern Douchebag.
You make me sad, but so be it as it must.
Perhaps I could interest one Ms. meya to take your place, yes?
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 7:07 pm #
This would be a for real example of redress.
And this is a for real example of Obama style reality.
You are being played for a fool, boy.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 7:08 pm #
Comment by Patrick, Mayor of Scotumwah Iowa on 4/23 @ 7:01 pm #
Mr. Mayor, please ignore the walking mental disorder.
Thank you.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 7:08 pm #
“Dwill-baby-dwill”–thus spake the MFA.
Comment by thor on 4/23 @ 7:09 pm #
1. Alcohol
2. Sun
3. Coffee
4. Cigarettes
5. Spicy food
6. Receiving a good morning hummer
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:11 pm #
do you own the mineral rights?
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 7:12 pm #
It can buy you a degree but you still can’t write.
Really chaps your fucking ass, don’t it?
Comment by Cowboy on 4/23 @ 7:16 pm #
B Moe:
The MFA is a quasi-terminal degree. But it’s only the terminal degree for people who will teach Creative Writing to undergraduates, and probably Composition I to the same population.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:19 pm #
b/c you don’t want to teach this shit to high school students b/c you wouldn’t need f**kin mfas. nice
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:21 pm #
b/c wasting time on putting a condom on a cucumber is so important
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/23 @ 7:22 pm #
“b/c wasting time on putting a condom on a cucumber is so important”
Could you demonstrate that using a thor, seeing as how he’s such a dick?
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:22 pm #
b/c in the 1st grade there is a direr need to teach about gayblades
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:24 pm #
b/c it takes a village progressive like the secretary of state to run everything
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:34 pm #
no save us from the harvard educated peter principle mulatto
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:36 pm #
“Not if you want the Big Dog to bite.”
the bd already sucks
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 7:37 pm #
with the negro thing english first – BLACK
Comment by Joe on 4/23 @ 7:54 pm #
Meanwhile, wondering what is happening to Gitmo…
A River Runs Through It.
What, no room in the Florence SuperMax?
Comment by Abe Froman on 4/23 @ 8:05 pm #
All the efforts to chip away at the approval ratings are coming to naught, but I understand the desperation.
If Obama somehow succeeds, all of those Tea Party astroturfers are pretty much fucked forever.
Impressive economy of words. So many talking points, so little bandwidth.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/23 @ 8:06 pm #
Well, given that I introduced the topic and know what the topic is, you’ll forgive me for retaining ownership by telling you no, it isn’t as you say.
Yes, I know. We’re all totally obsessed with Obama’s color. Whereas he and his Trinity crew aren’t interested in race at all.
Tell me: precisely whom does that kind of schtick work on? Besides risk-averse businesses and cowardly politicians, I mean?
Comment by SBP on 4/23 @ 8:06 pm #
All the efforts to chip away at the approval ratings are coming to naught
Liar.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/23 @ 8:07 pm #
Now who’s sounding scared and distancing themselves a bit?
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 8:10 pm #
No, that was an Obama campaign slogan. It worked, too.
Comment by blowhard on 4/23 @ 8:11 pm #
Why is that leftists are so eager to say “negro”? Over and over, that’s the first thing out of their mouths when they toss off the racism charge.
It reminds me of a college roommate I once had. Kid was progressive and oh so painfully enlightened. Yet, whenever our (well, let’s be honest, my) black friends were over for to hang out and have some beers, he couldn’t seem to relax. Odd.
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 8:12 pm #
I’ll venture a guess at something like 18% of the voting population.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/23 @ 8:12 pm #
British Whigs = classical liberals.
For those playing the home game.
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 8:13 pm #
losing, rig the game
?
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 8:21 pm #
fight fight fight
Bruce Springsteen – Badlands (East Berlin)
Comment by CGHill on 4/23 @ 8:28 pm #
There’s another: Yi Jianlian of the Nets.
Comment by SBP on 4/23 @ 8:36 pm #
SPB – Rasmussen is the FOX News of pollsters.
Liar.
So, which old troll under a new name are you, coward?
Comment by blowhard on 4/23 @ 8:37 pm #
Or, shut up! Thought criminal!
Comment by happyfeet on 4/23 @ 8:38 pm #
affirmative action is demeaning to all involved and they should cut it out I think
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 8:39 pm #
Perhaps you noticed, when you showed up, that this post is about a race based case that SCOTUS heard today. Not just anybody can summarize the news. Besides, you brought the scary negro to the party, didn’t you?
Comment by SBP on 4/23 @ 8:43 pm #
Why is that leftists are so eager to say “negro�
Because they think that having the “correct” politics frees them up to be raging bigots.
It’s like a “get out of jail free” card for being as racist, sexist, and every other *ist as you want.
You can’t call Obama a house n****er, but you can call Clarence Thomas one.
You can’t call Hillary Clinton a c**t, but you can call Sarah Palin one.
You can’t call Andrea Dworkin or Michael Moore stupid fat idiots, but you can call Rush Limbaugh one.
See how that works? It’s very liberating!
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 8:43 pm #
Indeed. Shut up!
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 8:51 pm #
You first.
In the collective sense, of course.
Comment by The Monster on 4/23 @ 8:53 pm #
#161: Then that makes two. To show how out of it I am, I had pulled “12″ as the roster size because that’s the IOC rule, but apparently NBA teams have 14-man rosters (possibly including some inactive slots), so with 30 teams it’s what, 420 players, making less than half a percent. Still seems awfully discriminatory to me.
Comment by blowhard on 4/23 @ 8:53 pm #
Yeah, SBP, I suppose so.
That same roommate also ragged on me for being a sexist. Because I had a habit of walking girls home at night and treated them like women. You know, respectfully.
Not kidding. He called a girl a bitch once at a party and I took him aside and gave him some shit over it. That’s also sexist. Not kidding.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/23 @ 8:54 pm #
That’s got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
Tell me, are you double-daring me?
Scratch a leftist, find a child.
Comment by Christopher Taylor on 4/23 @ 8:55 pm #
I can see why the Obama administration doesn’t want this case to be decided: it would, with any sane and proper judgement by the SCOTUS, blow a ten foot hole through affirmative action and demolish a lot of long standing anti-white discrimination (the only codified and institutional discrimination left in America).
Comment by router on 4/23 @ 9:00 pm #
affirmative to whom? action in what way? nixon’s the O!
Comment by JD on 4/23 @ 9:30 pm #
Schwa is just another mendoucheous twatwaffle astrotrufer, puking out the same talking points after getting its marching orders. It is no different than the ones that came before it, and there will be more. I love how it basically wants people that disagree with it to STFU. Standard Leftist tactic.
Comment by Squid on 4/23 @ 9:31 pm #
Scratch a leftist, find a child.
I thought it was “Scratch a leftist, punch a hippie.”
Comment by Sdferr on 4/23 @ 9:32 pm #
And Q.E.D., JD. Funny, in’t it?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/23 @ 9:32 pm #
Losing an election isn’t necessarily tyranny, Schwa. Government intrusion into areas where it has no mandate to go is.
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 9:35 pm #
Oh, this one’s almost funny.
Comment by Squid on 4/23 @ 9:36 pm #
Schwa,
I explained this earlier, but that was to a completely different brain-addled progressive than the one you’re pretending to be today.
I do not call losing an election tyranny. Tyranny is a government that triples its size in 90 days. Tyranny is a government that justifies its policies with such sterling arguments as “We won,” and “Spending is spending.” Tyranny is a government that sends notices to law enforcement telling them to keep an eye on veterans and libertarians because they’re just moments away from performing terrorist acts.
It’s not about elections. It’s about the liberties (see what I did there?) being taken by the elected, in complete contradiction of the limits placed on the government by custom and by the Constitution.
You may call me a wingnut for the rest of the night, but it won’t change the fact that “your team” is trampling all over the concept of individual rights, individual responsibility, and individual liberty, all in the service of increasing their own power. It’s sad that you feel compelled to defend that sort of behavior. One can only assume that you’ve been promised a “special place” in the new order. Hope that works out for you.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/23 @ 9:36 pm #
Mark Steyn republished a 2001 column about the UN’s Durban I conference today, and it has this relevant passage:
Comment by Schwaa on 4/23 @ 9:44 pm #
So, that means you are pro-choice and at least agnostic on gay marriage then?
Sure as hell wouldn’t want any government intrusion.
Comment by JD on 4/23 @ 9:48 pm #
I love it when my first impressions of the troll du jour turn out to be exactly right.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 9:49 pm #
agnostic on gay marriage?
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 9:50 pm #
Does anybody speak fucking English anymore?
Comment by blowhard on 4/23 @ 9:52 pm #
Does anyone know what it would cost to buy this place a decent troll?
Comment by Pablo on 4/23 @ 9:53 pm #
Si, amigo.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/23 @ 9:57 pm #
So, that means you are pro-choice and at least agnostic on gay marriage then?
Sure wouldn’t want any government intrusion.
I’m pro-life, but anti-federal intrusion into the practice. It is, and always should have been, an issue left to the states.
I ran for state rep with one of my platform planks being legalization of gay marriage. And that was 1995, before it was politically fashionable.
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 9:58 pm #
Go here, Schwaa, and enjoy the echo chamber.
Comment by Abe Froman on 4/23 @ 9:59 pm #
So, that means you are pro-choice and at least agnostic on gay marriage then?
Where do we get these morons?
Comment by B Moe on 4/23 @ 10:01 pm #
Does that mean you are umbilical on reinforced retirement, Abe?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/23 @ 10:10 pm #
I’m guessing Thor and Schwa think Diana Moon Gompers is the hostess with the mostess.
Comment by Abe Froman on 4/23 @ 10:29 pm #
Does that mean you are umbilical on reinforced retirement, Abe?
Not sure. But I’m definitely a deist on Patagonian donkey porn.
Comment by Darleen on 4/23 @ 11:14 pm #
Schwa
It might be nice if you were familiar with the Constitution. Obama, too, but we may have to put it on the teleprompter to get him to read it.
Comment by Gustaf Oxenstierna on 4/23 @ 11:25 pm #
Funny how thor disappeared and Schwa showed up…
Comment by geoffb on 4/23 @ 11:51 pm #
É™, meh.
Comment by Carin on 4/24 @ 5:07 am #
Scratch a wingnut, find a whining little bitch that lost an election and calls it tyranny.
Ha! No, that IS funny. Has any troll NOT brought up some variation of the “sore loser” argument. No, we don’t have a thing to complain about. We’re just sore losers.
SO upset that our main man John McCain isn’t in the White House. Meghan would have made the awesomest first child. Can you imagine? Would prolly invite Perez Hilton to an official dinner or something.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/24 @ 5:08 am #
“Scratch a leftist, find a child.”
“At its most basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues.”
-John Hawkins, RWN
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/24 @ 5:10 am #
“One can only assume that you’ve been promised a “special place†in the new order. Hope that works out for you.”
Don’t forget the crisp new brown shirt, that’s always a big attraction to leftists.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 5:21 am #
This touches a little too close to home for me. I applied twice to two different fire departments and both written tests had questions on “diversity”. At one I ended up joking and smoking with a couple of the volunteer guys taking the test afterwards. I pretty much was told because of my skin color I would probably be SOL since the department was on a big hiring push for “diversity”.
I remember one of the questions at the test was: “If your friend came home from taking ______ County FireDepartment Exam and was disheartened because he scored higher than other minority applicants but they were hired and he was not would you :
A) Tell him that the ____ County FireDepartment only hires qualified applicants and should apply again after studying more
B)Tell him that is unfair and help him study to take the test again
C)Tell him that he can judge the FireDepartment and he should not be discouraged.
Comment by Carin on 4/24 @ 5:29 am #
My husband employs two (white) fellows who were both unable to find employment as firefighters. They searched far and wide, but to no avail. They are both volunteer fighfighters now – it is clearly what they wish to do.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 5:33 am #
C) should be can’t judge.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 5:37 am #
Carin the guys I was talking to had been volunteering for 3 or 4 years and had taken the test pretty much every time it was available. They saw guys walk in from the street with no experience get hired over them repeatedly. The test booklet was only 40 pages and the material was basically testing to see if you could add, subtract, and answer basic moral questions. The written test weeded me out both times and a retarded 3 year old could have passed the thing. The test did have some value though because it had helpful boxes so I could check caucasian and then check for my Vet status right on the first two pages. I learned later that my Vet status is trumped simply by the color of someones skin when considering preferences for Federal jobs.
It made me feel good hearing that. /
Comment by Carin on 4/24 @ 5:40 am #
The guys who work for us also told us they can’t get hired ’cause they’re white. Besides their claim, I don’t have any other proof. But, it is interesting that I have the example … two MORE white guys who can’t get hired.
Comment by SDN on 4/24 @ 8:44 am #
Well, one haystack in the wind is that government contracting has seen large numbers of “8A minority set-aside” companies ever since Clinton. Dig a little deeper, and it’s an office full of pale people doing the work and pocketing the cash while one or two front-office minorities / females (both is especially good) with impressive job titles are the ones going out to schmooze the clients and meet the procurement officers.
This nonsense reached a crescendo in AL in 1998 when our own Al Sharpton, Rep. Alvin Holmes, informed a major tech player that they couldn’t count Indians (from India) as minorities for purposes of being non-discriminatory and getting state business.
Oh, and I’d love Massa Thor to explain how we’re going to determine who’s got enough “slave cred” to get reparations. Maybe we can bring back that old Copperhead standby, the “one drop” rule.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 8:52 am #
SDN I am a government contractor right now and our CEO admitted at a company meeting that she put the company in her husband’s name to get the 8A status. She is white and obviously he is not.
Nothing to see there move along, oh except for you whitey stop right there. You should be ashamed of your skin and seek not to put it down on contract bids because we won’t pick you.
Legalized racism.
Comment by SBP on 4/24 @ 8:55 am #
Maybe we can bring back that old Copperhead standby, the “one drop†rule.
Woohoo! Gravy train, here I come!
For a while there I thought I might wind up having to pay reparations to myself.
Comment by geoffb on 4/24 @ 8:58 am #
In a free market type job market this is a signal to the employer that either they need to raise the job requirements or lower the pay.
Back in the 60’s/70’s a large employer near me, fully unionized, used the LGF registration method to hire new employees. Anyone at anytime could fill out an application. However they would only take them at certain, very limited, unannounced, times.
Three ways to get hired. Be at the office every day from 8am to 4 pm, Monday through Friday, for weeks or months waiting to hand in your application. Hard to do and support yourself and your family too. Get very lucky when you happened to have come in. And the usual method, have a relative working there tip you as to the time they were taking applications.
Affirmative action seems to be used to address the, too many applicants, too few job openings, situation caused by the private sector and the civil service unions to begin with.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/24 @ 9:00 am #
Since before Clinton, IIRC. What did Clinton do to increase 8A set-asides?
Women owners are eligible for 8(a) status. This kind of puzzles me.
Comment by gus on 4/24 @ 9:24 am #
It’s right there in the Constitution folks. Yep, the 14th Amendment. Diversity, Abortin and Gay Marriage shall be the law of the land. Suckers…….
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 9:26 am #
It puzzled me too, I just thought they counted race over gender.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/24 @ 9:51 am #
Oh. 8a status continues for 8 years, and then lapses. I think the only way to get 8a back is to sell the company to a close relative who happens to be a woman/minority.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 4/24 @ 9:55 am #
Ok cool thanks for clearing that up. It was kinda wierd to hear but I just figured it was like Veterans preferences. You know where they might be good and all but just not as much as being born one of the better races. God damn my white skin.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/24 @ 9:57 am #
Jeremiah Wright could not have said it better, white devil.
Comment by Sdferr on 4/24 @ 10:03 am #
I’m not perfectly certain Mr. Pink, but I believe that under Dr. Professor Reverend Cone’s theology, that is already taken care of. Or, no further action is required, so to speak.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/24 @ 1:11 pm #
On Drudge this morning there was an ad what had Robert Downey Jr. in it and Jamie Foxx. In the ad Jamie Foxx has like a I dunno maybe a cello or whatever and really odd special kid hair and Mr. Downey Jr. is gazing upon Mr. Foxx and his eyes are filled with such kindness and the whole scene is backlit with a glorious Manhattan sunrise. It makes me want to go to New York and find a black man what has a cello and odd hair and gaze upon him with eyes filled with kindness.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/24 @ 1:20 pm #
…and buy him a cello and try to rescue him from madness. Yes. I have that dream, too.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/24 @ 1:25 pm #
oh. A glorious smoggy Los Angeles sunrise I meant. I knew it! From the kindness in Mr. Downey’s eyes he had to be a journalist and he is. You can tell just from the way he looks at the cello man that he would never ever hurt him.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/24 @ 1:27 pm #
This is the kind of affirmative action we can all get behind I think and everyone all of us you and me both can star in our own condescending movie where we are heroes and exemplars of the very best of what humanity can be.
Comment by BJT-FREE! on 4/24 @ 1:40 pm #
I noticed that when Jamie’s character plays the cello, he scrunches up his brow so that it looks like musical notation. It kinda freaked me out, especially when it looked like he was going for a clef.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/24 @ 1:40 pm #
And we’ll all have happy endings, in a way that’s completely respectful of women as human beings.
Comment by Sdferr on 4/24 @ 1:44 pm #
Just so, Slart
Comment by JD on 4/24 @ 2:10 pm #
Seems like some denunciation is in order.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/24 @ 2:11 pm #
me first!
Comment by BJT-FREE! on 4/24 @ 2:21 pm #
No ME!
Comment by Cowboy on 4/24 @ 2:22 pm #
What my town needs is more magic Negroes with cellos.
And some journalists with wonder-filled eyes–we don’t have any of those.
Comment by Cowboy on 4/24 @ 2:30 pm #
We do have a statue of an Indian playing some kind of Native American pan-flutish type thing. He has two raccoons at his feet, looking up at him, but the sculptor, though quite handy at rendering pan-flute things, did not capture the raccoons who look much more like short, fat mask-wearing beagles.
Comment by JD on 4/24 @ 2:31 pm #
Happyfeet – Consider yourself denounced. Denounced and condemned. First.
BJ has a standing denunciation on file.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/24 @ 2:31 pm #
Mrs Little I can’t get the fire brigade Mervyn.
Mervyn Here, let me try, dear. You go and play the cello.
Mrs Little Oh it doesn’t do any good, dear.
Mervyn Look. Do you want the little hamster to live or not?
Mrs Little Yes I do, Mervyn.
Mervyn Well go and play the cello!
Comment by JD on 4/24 @ 2:34 pm #
Cowboy – Is that Zanfir playing the Skin Flute?
Comment by Cowboy on 4/24 @ 2:51 pm #
FLUTIST!!
YOU, SIR, ARE DENOUNCED!!!eleventy1
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/24 @ 3:59 pm #
“Comment by SBP on 4/24 @ 8:55 am #
Maybe we can bring back that old Copperhead standby, the “one drop†rule.”
Yet another racist Democrat idea.
Besides school segregation, poll taxes and literacy tests to keep non-whites from voting.
Comment by Swen Swenson on 4/24 @ 4:54 pm #
Hey! Where do I apply for a standing denunciation? Sure would save a lot of time..
They’re affirmative action hires, silly!
Which leads me to wonder what it must be like to be a minority in an affirmative action world. Must steal a lot of the pride from one’s accomplishments when you’re not even sure yourself whether you got the job, the raise, the promotion, etc. because you were the most deserving or because some bean counter needed to fill a quota.
Comment by SporkLift Driver on 4/24 @ 9:40 pm #
I wonder if a certain troll who is in favor of discrimination to redress certain ancient wrongs has ever been denied admission to college, a scholarship, a job or been chosen for firing or being laid off on the basis of it’s skin color? Seems to me someone has some catching up to do.
FOR TEH JUSTICE!
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