… and 778 pages of Pork to read through.
Of course, any objection to the obscene pork earmarks in the bill, earmarks that Obama was “against”…
“We are going to ban all earmarks, the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review.”
before he was “for”…
“Some critics … contend the bill is full of pet projects. When was the last time that we saw a bill of this magnitude move out with no earmarks in it? Not one.”
… will just make you unpatriotic.
Don’t read it, just smile and take it.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 11:20 am #
Awakening refreshed, Susan Collins makes her morning coffee, smiles a porky self-satisfied smile, and steps out onto her treacherously icy stoop to fetch her morning New York Times…
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 11:26 am #
If you liked Reagan you gotta love Obama’s tax-cuts and spending programs. Seriously, what’s the difference, oh yeah, the little donkey and elephant stick-pins are reversed.
Harp away, fishbowl-trapped partisan hacks!
Comment by Darleen on 2/8 @ 11:29 am #
Obama is Jimmy Carter, not Reagan.
Comment by Darleen on 2/8 @ 11:30 am #
And, fair warning, Walthor Mitty, no threadjacking allowed. My thread, my rules.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/8 @ 11:30 am #
Janus Christ.
Comment by Joe on 2/8 @ 11:41 am #
Watch this just to remember what you are fighting for Do you want guys who make Donahue look like George Will pushing through this megatropolis of pork?
Then start emailing Collins, Snowe and Specter. It is not that hard. Be polite but firm. If you are from Maine or Pennsylvania your voices are especially required.
Comment by Joe on 2/8 @ 11:45 am #
Contact form for Susan Collins
Comment by Joe on 2/8 @ 11:46 am #
Contact form for Olympia Snowe
Comment by Joe on 2/8 @ 11:49 am #
Olympia Snowe contact info: Phone: (202) 224-5344
Toll Free: (800) 432-1599
Fax: (202) 224-1946
Susan Collins contact info: DC Office Information
413 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2523
Fax: (202) 224-2693
Arlen Specter contact information: DC Address: The Honorable Arlen Specter
United States Senate
711 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-3802
DC Phone: 202-224-4254
DC Fax: 202-228-1229
Remember be respectful. Be polite. Be firm. VOTE NO ON THIS STIMULUS!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/8 @ 11:52 am #
It isn’t Janus, Dan. Janus only looked two ways. This is whichever way President Obama wants to go. And you will follow and like it.
Definitely not diplomatic, much more dictatorial.
My prediction is that this is not going to end well for either him or anyone else.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 11:53 am #
If you liked Reagan you gotta love Obama’s tax-cuts and spending programs. Seriously, what’s the difference…
Reagan understood that you give tax cuts to people who pay taxes, for starters. Giving money to people who don’t pay taxes isn’t a tax cut.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 2/8 @ 11:55 am #
Wow, questioning patriotism this soon? I knew it would be coming as the left accused the former administration about that same bullshit constantly (though, I never saw an actual example of it) and the left is anything if not obvious. Funny. Very funny.
Comment by JHoward on 2/8 @ 11:57 am #
Don’t forget that the Congressional Budget Office says over ninety percent of Porkulus will go to waste, Darleen. Adding 10% to the 200+ year-old American national debt at the stroke of the O!bama pen to stimulate a few billions. Maybe. Only in DC.
I don’t recall Reagan blowing one trillion dollars against the advice of that era’s Congressional Budget Office.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 2/8 @ 11:58 am #
Good point, B Moe. BBBBuuutttt, the rejoinder is that these people DO pay taxes. Payroll and local. Never mind that those weren’t the taxes we were talking about.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 12:05 pm #
Reagan is dead. And his was the greatest economic failure in Presidential history, well, until George Bush that is. I stand by what I said.
The U.S. deficit was almost entirely created by rethuglidum administered debt spending. Lie, cry and deny but it won’t change the facts.
Shorter Draculeen: Waaaaaaah!
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 12:08 pm #
Reagan/Bush I raised the federal deficit from $1,000,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000,000, B Moe.
Bush II raised the federal debt from $^ trillion to $10+ trillion.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Why is it bad for Obama to spend a few hundred billion to kick start the economy again?
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 12:19 pm #
Why is it bad for Obama to spend a few hundred billion to kick start the economy again?
I thought it was payola for his supporters, tuber? That is what you said the other day, remember?
And it is bad for Obama to do it for the same reasons it was bad for Republicans to do it.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 12:21 pm #
The U.S. deficit was almost entirely created by rethuglidum administered debt spending.
But Democrat debt spending is going to help? Lie, cry and deny but it won’t change the facts.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 12:31 pm #
Boooooosh!
Ray-Gun!!!!!!111
OMGBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSZORZ!!1!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!
One big fucking joke, the lot of you.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 12:43 pm #
The facts do indeed have a Democratic bias, B Moe.
Smear a little vaseline on that lens and focus in on a guy who left office over 20 years ago, the last Republican hero.
Pay no attention to the huge federal deficit he racked up.
Then explain to us why Republicans should be the only party allowed to run up a deficit in very serious tones.
Comment by ushie on 2/8 @ 12:48 pm #
But we need those 3 dogparks! The World Can’t Wait for those 3 dogparks! You are against the DOGS, you dumb wingnut Rethumplikins! And only bad people hate dogs!
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/8 @ 12:53 pm #
I’m more concerned about the people at the dog park. Fewer “knife accidents” would be a good thing, I think.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 12:54 pm #
Please don’t start in with your subversive facts, parsnip.
Do as Darleen does/says, else you’ll be deleted by the union of censors, pestered by the druzhinniki and fondled by the authorized gendarmes in charge of maintaining ideological-specific automata.
Fair Warning: Deliberate behavior undermining the collectivist Rightist’s order, which might be manifested by either subversive articulations, or writing opinions critical of, or any protesting against the established ideological, cultural, and political totalitarian norms and arrangements of the bourgeois’ favored trope, or, basically, any perceived dissension thought to undermine the authorities who maintain enforcement the rules and policies will not be tolerated, nor celebrated, nor allowed to run naked in misty fields of heather.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 1:07 pm #
The facts do indeed have a Democratic bias, B Moe.
Facts are unbiased, tuberhead, that is what makes them facts. You haven’t explained why deficit spending is only bad when Republicans do it. That is a fact.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 1:11 pm #
BMoe, have you somehow missed the news of bank nationalizations, plummeting retail sales, massive layoffs, stock market wealth burning, real estate values collapsing and all the other economic news of the day?
One station over from Fox News is CNBC on my cable. Try it.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 1:17 pm #
Based on available data, it’s only Republican presidents who increase the federal debt, B Moe.
I’m sure Obama will balance the budget once the economy gets going again, just like Bill Clinton did.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 1:18 pm #
“I stand by what I said.”
[snicker]
Heaven:
Titanic Passenger: “I died 10 minutes after falling 180ft, bouncing off one of the ship’s props, compound fracturing my legs, loosing my arm, crushing my rib cage, and landing square on a fat girl clutching some kinda floating door in the freezing water. I think she lived until she was 90 something, then said the word “erotic,” and grossed everybody out. Anyway, it was awful but the string musicians played Mozart right ’til the end.”
American Voter: “I died during the 2009 Stimulus.”
Titanic Passenger: “Damn.”
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/8 @ 1:21 pm #
Based on available data, it’s only Republican presidents who increase the federal debt, B Moe.
This in a thread where we’re discussing the Pork-o-Rama, the largest increase in debt in the HISTORY OF THE FUCKING WORLD.
We won’t even mention the Great Society and the New Deal
You’re a fucking psycho, nipply. You need to be institutionalized and forcibly medicated.
I’m 100% serious about that.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 1:23 pm #
How is going deeper in debt funding dead end pork projects going to help, thor? Try to answer without talking about banks, Wall Street or Republicans.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/8 @ 1:25 pm #
#28 SBP:
Why are you wasting your time on a lamprous troll? It is only here until its application for commissar gets processed.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 1:26 pm #
Yes, BMoe. Have you not gotten the media narrative!? Ask thor. He knows what channel you should watch.
Also, what is this I’m hearing about you having trouble with your TPS reports?
Didn’t you get the memo?
Comment by McGehee on 2/8 @ 1:36 pm #
It’s a great time to not be an Obamarrhoid.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 1:36 pm #
“Based on available data”…
You left out the, “from the World of Make Believe” part.
Christ, the whole thing sounds like the start of a bad pick up line in a bar.
Hey, I think we just found the one guy who will go home with Amanda Marcotte.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 1:37 pm #
Because, as the basic theory goes, the economy is reliant on money circulating through it.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 1:39 pm #
Stay on topic, Lamont-Happy.
If you need to believe that Ronnie Reagan and the two Bushes balanced the federal budget while they were in office, go right ahead.
But please keep it to yourself while the adults discuss the current budget-busting bill, okay?
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 1:40 pm #
Wrong. Try again.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 1:41 pm #
Baracky can cast his seed as widely as he wants all over my little country but that’s not how economies grow. No. We are all takers now I imagine.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 1:44 pm #
oh. Baracky has never balanced a budget. Never ever. Nevermind that the dumb castrated fuck won’t balance the budget until Nancy says he can balance the budget. It’s just not gonna happen.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 1:45 pm #
All taxation and spending bills originate where exactly according to the US Constitution? C’mon you zombiefied Obama lickers, he of the expertise on Constitutional law, what body controls the budget?
There you will find makers of deficits. The prez may only request spending and tax policy and sign it, not make it. So the stagflation of the 70’s, the deficits of the 80’s and 90’s, and the recent recession were caused by whom exactly?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 1:50 pm #
oh. Hey. This is me going out and spending a lot of money with full faith and confidence while my pezzydent squeals and screams in abject girly terror. As if. He really is indescribably amateurish I think.
Comment by Rusty on 2/8 @ 1:53 pm #
The U.S. deficit was almost entirely created by rethuglidum administered debt spending. Lie, cry and deny but it won’t change the facts.
All bills to raise revenue must begin in the House of Representatives.
Who has had control of the house for the last six years?
Dipshit.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 1:55 pm #
“the economy is reliant on money circulating through it.”
The economy is reliant on confidence in the free market stupid.
The Dollar is a construct. A paper and ink symbol.
See what happened to the Dow on Obama’s Inauguration Day, did ya?
You dim-witted asshat.
Oh please teach us hicktards more about high finance thor.
Jesus, you’re boring even when you’re trying to be smart and all “authoritative.”
Does E-Trade have a chat room?
Go dazzle them.
Jackass.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 1:57 pm #
Um, are you sure it was 6, Rusty? I am thinking since 2006, right about the time the economy began to slow down. Not that the GOP congress didn’t spend like drunken sailors, because they did. I blame them for it. But Thor and Snippy are asserting that to remedy the problem, we need more of what is killing the economy, not less.
Which is fucking stupid. Like they are.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/8 @ 1:59 pm #
Republicans had control of Congress — and never filibuster-proof control — for fourteen of the last, what, 75 years?
So, naturally, it’s their fault.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 2:00 pm #
the dumb castrated fuck
Happy-lamont,
If you don’t like the Republicans and you don’t like the Democrats, who did you vote for last time around?
Nader?
Comment by Nan on 2/8 @ 2:02 pm #
“He really is indescribably amateurish I think.”
Best description of Obama I’ve heard to date.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 2:04 pm #
So, naturally, it’s their fault.
Leftists will twist and they will insult, but it is a fact that the House starts all tax and spending bills, supported by the current administration or not. That is where the ultimate responsibility lies. Congress overspends and overtaxes, badly by repubs, worse by democrats.
There is no getting away from the fact that this bill will do vastly more of what has gotten us to this point economically.
Facts are stubborn things. They have no political slant.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 2:07 pm #
oh. *have* … I think I better just work on my report for awhile now. This is depressing.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 2:15 pm #
If you don’t like the Republicans and you don’t like the Democrats, who did you vote for last time around?
I’ll bet, that like most conservatives, he detests the repubs the least. Not that he thinks they are so awesome, just that the other side are full blown collectivists and their idiot supporters like yourself, Snippy. Not a great choice, one must admit.
Of course, you and that constitutional wizard, Thorazine, will not address my points about where federal spending and taxing originates.
Because to do so exposes your assertions about how we got in this mess and your solutions to be rubbish!
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 2:23 pm #
How many spending bills did Bush veto (which he had the power to do, btw), Log Cabin?
And if what you are saying were true, why are the Republicans giving Obama a hard time over a bill that started in the House?
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 2:29 pm #
1. None. And I blame him for it. So you agree that overspending is bad. Excellent.
2. The GOP is giving Obama a bad time because he has endorsed, supported, and demanded it be passed. This bill is his baby.
I answered you. Now tell me how doing vastly more of what has brought us to this economic mess will help get us out. You can’t.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 2:29 pm #
Which party controls the house, tuberhead? How many spending bills has Obama vetoed, tuberhead? Why don’t you ever want to talk about Obama, tuberhead? Bush is back in Texas, he can’t hurt you anymore, we want to talk about what Obama’s hopes and dreams are now, come on tuberhead, let’s talk about the Big O!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 2:29 pm #
“the economy is reliant on money circulating through it.”…Part II
thor does have a point here. If only because this is what those in the Obama economic Think/Fish Tank actually believe. It’s all about “money” into the system.
Their system.
So $300 billion in permanent job creating tax cuts (and allowing poorly managed companies to die) vs. say, $300 billion for your kids kindergarten teacher to have limitless ripe bananas to roll condoms over to teach your 5yr old about sex and how to hate America properly at the same time.
All “money in the system.”
Sure one version creates a job waiting for your kid when they grow up, and the other creates a need for therapy for your kid when they grow up (because they just HAVE to hump the produce isle in Whole Foods).
But so what?
Its all “money” in the system.
Has nothing to do with votes in 2010.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 2:32 pm #
thor has a point if you accept the Progressive Zero Sum mindset. I don’t.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 2:40 pm #
Also, I am wondering if Snippy or Thorazine can tell me if lowering marginal income tax rates increase or decrease revenues to the Treasury. If too difficult, can they tell me if lowering corporate taxes increases or decreases unemployment?
Because we are getting close to the truth here and they are all kinds of economic wizards about this stuff.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 2:42 pm #
“If you don’t like the Republicans and you don’t like the Democrats, who did you vote for last time around?”
I wrote in Ned Flanders. Why? Who did you vote for?
Look, I wanted to fit in with all the “Wingers,” but just couldn’t stomach Mike Huckabee.
I would have voted for the hot MILF from Alaska, but, for some reason, she was on the bottom of the ticket. Below the old (possibly dead) “maverick” guy.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 2:44 pm #
ooh. Do cap gains taxes next, LC. That one’s my favorite.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/8 @ 2:50 pm #
I really find it amusing that the lamprous trolls are telling someone else to ’stay on topic’.
The little commissar-wannabes are really feeling their oats now, aren’t they?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 2:50 pm #
“Because we are getting close to the truth here and they are all kinds of economic wizards about this stuff.”
thor is calling a smart jew he knows on Wall Street to get the answer.
It’s how he got through college.
He’ll sub-humanize the jew and get back to you.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 2:55 pm #
“The little commissar-wannabes are really feeling their oats now, aren’t they?”
Didn’t you hear Nancy and Obama? “I won.”
They’re all “feeling” it. We’re in their world now.
I know.
I’m laughing too.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 3:23 pm #
And since we have asked the truly important questions, Snippy and Thor have vanished. As we knew they would. They shall return spewing more bile and invective, ignoring all this economic stuff, when the coast is clear.
And that boys and girls, is how you drive leftards crazy: Stick to the facts and they will run.
It’s how they want us to deal with our enemies overseas, too!
Comment by ushie on 2/8 @ 3:30 pm #
“And since we have asked the truly important questions, Snippy and Thor have vanished. As we knew they would. They shall return spewing more bile and invective, ignoring all this economic stuff, when the coast is clear.”
And I suddenly had a mental picture of the two of them, wearing flowers in their hair, frolicking in a grassy meadow while bluebirds twittered ’round their heads. Bless their little hearts!
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 3:36 pm #
I have a giant dong and am wicked smart.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 3:37 pm #
I love thor’s mind and dong.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 4:05 pm #
…”wicked smart”…?
Do you pawk ya caw at hawvard yawd?
So what? You day dream about being “Will Hunting” from Southie?
Awwww. How sweet.
If it weren’t for the trust fund.
And you being terminally stupid.
But you’ll always have Matt Damon.
And parsnip sucking on your dong.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 4:19 pm #
Screw Santa! Next year I’m having the kids write letters to the Federal Government.
Dear Nancy,
I want a GI JOE (that you haven’t maimed/ killed/ defamed or cut funding for), a plastic rocket and a $trillion dollars.
-Signed, little kid (with progressive parents).
P.S. No cookies this year, but there is a tax form at the bottom of the chimney you have to fill out. And Daddy Obama says those fucking reindeer better have a union!
Comment by Jeffersonian on 2/8 @ 4:25 pm #
Just reading through what the southpaw mind sees as “stimulus:”
* $380 million for WIC
* $1 billion for the census
* $650 million for digital converter boxes
* $50 million for additional US Marshall salaries
* $300 million for Violence Against Women Act prevention and prosecution
* $1.2 billion for law enforcement assistance
And I got less than 10% of the way through the thing.
Comment by Rusty on 2/8 @ 4:26 pm #
#43
We’ll never be in any danger of either one of them being logical.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 4:26 pm #
And since we have asked the truly important questions, Snippy and Thor have vanished.
Sorry, Log, I do have a life beyond the keyboard.
Played a little tennis and went to the store, if that’s okay with you.
The economists who are for the stimulus bill tell us the current recession is the worst since the Great Depression and a little extra government spending now will help the economy recover sooner than it would without the additional spending.
Seeing as the American economy has never grown as fast as it did under the New Deal, I’m inclined to believe them.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/8 @ 4:33 pm #
Sure. All we need is another World War.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 4:40 pm #
“Sorry, Log, I do have a life beyond the keyboard.”
MTV Cribs was on.
“Played a little [Wii] tennis and went to the store (Tylenol PM and stuff), if that’s okay with you.
Fine with us.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 4:45 pm #
“All we need is another World War.”
Can it be “World War Z?”
Cuz that’s the one thing this “economic crisis” thingamajig is lacking.
Zombies.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/8 @ 4:46 pm #
Helen Thomas is still in the White House press room. Isn’t one enough?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 4:53 pm #
Touché Rob.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 4:55 pm #
And now Snippy (after telling us about his imaginary rich and full life) will change the subject and reach into his liberal bag of tricks with the “New Deal” distortions.
We have agreed earlier in this post that deficits are bad (especially when Repubs run them up)and you even threw out how Bush irresponsibly did not veto overspending by congress. Now, you do a complete backflip and attempt to say it’s a necessary thing now that democrats are proposing to do it massivelly and excessively. It’s good because it’s your guys.
Be honest, Snippet. You have no closely held economic principles. You merely have situational ethics to justify your side.
How about some answers. Are deficits bad or not? Does lowering marginal income tax rates and lowering corporate taxes increase revenues or not? Quit spinning.
But you won’t answer. You are dishonest and we all know it.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 5:12 pm #
“Now, you do a complete backflip and attempt”….
Hey! He tried!
The whole thing was stupid, but snippy thought it out hard in a real deal college library.
There were mahogany bookshelves and everything.
But…he smacked his head on the diving board on the way down.
Damn shame.
He drowned with his economic principles combined with the weight of the sand in his “ethical” water wings.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/8 @ 5:17 pm #
Somehow I doubt Parsnip can even do her own taxes. Then again she is probably still claimed as a dependant by her parents.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 5:26 pm #
You mean to say there’s all kinds of rethuglidum cliche droolers who blindly believe lowering tax rates always increases tax revenue. I point to Bush’s tax cuts, which combined with Bush’s stimulative spending, did nothing but increase the total debt to levels never seen in our country’s history.
C’mon, drooler, sputtle away your know-nothing fantasy of less is actually more, black is actually white, and that lower tax rates increase tax revenue.
Say it, nutter, increasing rates increases revenue. At least mouth the truth.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/8 @ 5:33 pm #
Thor do you realize that every time you call someone else a “nutter”, when you are obviously clinically insane, you are only highlighting your own stupidity that much more? My dad had to sit me down and tell me one time after a particuarly stupid prank I pulled at school that “Sometimes people are laughing at you not with you”. You need to learn that lesson I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 5:41 pm #
Increasing rates decreases my revenue that’s for sure. I think you mean that increasing rates increases the dirty socialists’ revenue for so they can buy more condoms and dog parks and give monies away to people that don’t pay taxes but have a highly pronounced proclivity to vote for dirty socialists. This is how Baracky’s vision for America works and also that global warming thing they made up.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 5:49 pm #
“did nothing but increase the total debt to levels never seen in our country’s history.”
Dude 2 trillion in the last 6 months and crazy aunt Nancy was issuing the checks.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 5:51 pm #
So says thor.
From his economic death bed in Sarasota Florida.
God’s Waiting Room.
For those whose stupid financial decisions preclude a decent spot around Miami.
Just shut up and die already douchebag.
You, parsnip and Dane Cook.
The hand basket to Hell is around the corner to the left.
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 5:54 pm #
How about some answers. Are deficits bad or not?
Deficits are bad in boom times but good during a recession, log.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 5:57 pm #
“Debts <strikeDeficits
are bad in boom times but good during a recession”Are you an adviser to O1 or due you have tax problems.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 5:58 pm #
84 makes my point exactly
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 5:59 pm #
Oh poor ignorant, alcoholic, friendless Thor!
Never once did I (or anyone here)say lowering tax rates always increases revenue or lower debt. I asked does lowering marginal income tax rates increase or decrease revenue? Does lowering corporate taxes increase or decrease the unemployment rate? I also asked if federal deficits are helpful or harmful to the economy.
You need to read more carefully and with a higher than your third-grade level comprehension.
Maybe you could ask a grownup to explain it to you? Sorry, wide-stance tough guy, don’t be too angry. I’m just the messenger.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 6:11 pm #
“You mean to say there’s all kinds of rethuglidum cliche droolers who blindly believe lowering tax rates always increases tax revenue.”
Yup. Those pricks were an awful bunch of rabblerousers.
Obama, Alinsky, and Lenin would of fucking hated them.
Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson…
…shit, even Hamilton.
Damn straight. Lower the tax rates.
Cocksucker.
Getting to be kind of a theme isn’t it?
Sucks to be the Obama.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 6:14 pm #
“Deficits are bad in boom times but good during a recession, log.”
So when the US economy was booming in the mid 1940s, mid 1960s, late 1980s, it was incredibly irresponsible of the democrat controlled congress proposing and legislating all of that massive (at that time) deficit spending?
Conversely, we can also thank the GOP controlled congresses of 1994 and 1996 for their fiscal responsibilty and deficit reductions as the economy grew robustly?
Before you do another backflip of illogic and economic ignorance, please don’t forget to tell me where all spending and tax bills originate according to the US constitution.
Facts are stubborn things…
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 6:15 pm #
You seem even more cranky today than you were yesterday, Lamont-happy.
Is it just your special time of the month or is there something we should worry about/pray for you?
BTW, can you calculate how much government revenue would increase if tax rates are lowered to 0%?
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 6:16 pm #
Don’t think so, cock puller!
Gotta pay that bar tab of the rethuglidum ran up.
Maybe choke on a spark plug from that shuttered GM plant in Arlington already!
Hey, yabba dabba doo!
Sucks to be your cat, all shaved and holed, what!
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 6:18 pm #
You have already tripped yourself up, Snippy:
We have severe deficit spending going on now. The economy is tanking. You say deficit spending is good during a recession. How is that working out?
You are so clueless that you embarrass yourself.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 6:21 pm #
Strange, I remember Bill Clinton threatening to shut down the government if that Congress didn’t straighten up and become fiscally responsible.
I also remember the tax rate being robustly higher than it is today.
Ponder the fallacy of your cliches maybe.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 6:21 pm #
Thor, Snippy,
It was maginal tax rates and corporate tax rates and deficits . Try to stay on topic.
But you can’t answer. You know you are wrong and will avoid. Surprise!
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 6:21 pm #
You seem to be sharing lamont-happy’s foul mood, Log.
Is it your special time of the month too, or is Democratic rule proving to be just too much for you?
Try to relax a little.
Have a little herbal tea, maybe.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 6:26 pm #
We have a fine selection of teas in our little kitchen here cause that’s what NG got OG for Office Christmas. The mango one is supposed to be tropical and refreshing but I haven’t tried it yet. Right now I’m drinking “coffee” from the coffee single things you dip in hot water that we got the last time we ran out of coffee. Gack. This time it’s not NG’s fault we ran out it’s just they don’t overnight coffee anymore cause of there’s a recession.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/8 @ 6:28 pm #
Power to the porknip, people.
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 6:29 pm #
Thor, the shutdown was over cutting spending. Which your oh-so-fiscally-responsible Clinton DID NOT WANT TO DO! It was also over increasing the federal debt, which President Clinton WANTED TO DO.
The GOP congress was holding out for more fiscal discipline.
My God, can you even read a book? Or do all facts get confused in your rum soaked brain?
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:29 pm #
“Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 6:16 pm #
Don’t think so, cock puller!”
be your crazy aunt issuing the checks since 2006. deal with obamaears.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 6:30 pm #
“BTW, can you calculate how much government revenue would increase if tax rates are lowered to 0%?”
And there it is.
“Government Revenue.”
Fuck Government Revenue.
But thanks for letting the mask slip clean off your cry baby, weak kneed, socialist face, snippy.
So much for you making friends and influencing people.
Maybe the “Government” provides a class you can take.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:31 pm #
crazy nancy like crazy eddie with more botox
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:33 pm #
““BTW, can you calculate how much government revenue would increase if tax rates are lowered to 0%?â€Â
i like that idea for the feds
Comment by Log Cabin on 2/8 @ 6:33 pm #
Snippy, I am beyond your ability to upset. You don’t matter enough.
And please don’t get pissy just because you have been owned in an intellectual discussion. I notice that you can’t answer the questions. I thought so.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 6:41 pm #
Haha, Log,
Waving your personal “Mission Accomplished” banner again?
Kindly point out where you “owned” anybody in this thread.
I seem to have missed it.
And can you please calculate for us how much government revenue would increase if tax rates are lowered to 0%?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 6:44 pm #
Jesus, somebody talk thor off the window ledge.
Or yell “jump.”
I don’t care.
The Obama is less than 30 days in office and his own media (Time & Newsweek) is calling him “incompetent.” Saying he “can’t walk on water.”
Oh Noes!!
I guess you can go ahead and jump thor.
I’m right behind you.
Comment by cynn on 2/8 @ 6:45 pm #
I know, I know! With 0 you get eggroll!
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:46 pm #
“And can you please calculate for us how much government revenue would increase if tax rates are lowered to 0%?”
why should the federal gov’t need anymore than what it’s duties are described in the constitution. this could easily be provided for by cigarette taxes, gasoline taxes, telephone taxes, cable tv taxes….
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 6:47 pm #
Drudge says Newsweek is sort of dying on the dirty socialist vine.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:47 pm #
“Mission Accomplishedâ€Â
Did that particular ship accomplish its mission?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 6:50 pm #
I believe it sure did, router. There are 30 million peoples that are free that weren’t, much to Baracky’s consternation. Those people sure did get freed in the nick of time too cause Baracky don’t cotton to that shit.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 6:51 pm #
i think newsweek just wants to be the no.1 doctors office publication in the future national health care industry.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 6:51 pm #
Not sure, router.
Trying to follow log cabin’s excited postings is like watching a car spin its wheels on an icy hill.
The wheels are indeed turning real fast, but the car doesn’t actually go anywhere.
I think he now supports the stimulus bill, though.
That’s something.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 6:58 pm #
“Hello? Central Casting? I need a liberal who can take repeated hard punches to the face and keep commenting. What? You do? Over and over? Wait…what’s a snippy? Oh, a parsnip. Ok. And he’ll stand still and just get the shit kicked out of him repeatedly? Excellent.
Woah, hold on. What? He comes with a thor?
Well, screw that.
Do you have an Obama we could fuck with?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:04 pm #
I’m not sure about the doctor’s offices. That’s an expensive distribution model that I’d bet they’d drop if Time dropped their waiting room program. They may already have dropped it actually but I can’t look it up right now. I make a point not to ever read it so I set a good example for others.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:05 pm #
doctors’ offices I guess
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 7:05 pm #
Aaaaw, Lamont-Happy,
I think it’s cute you guys imagine your confused mutterings to be “hard punches to the face.”
After getting slaughtered in the election, do your imaginary victories here ease the pain much?
No?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 7:07 pm #
Health care is all about the magazines in the waitingroom.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 7:08 pm #
i think “timeweek” could be a winner even in the linen cleaning lounge.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:08 pm #
What got slaughtered in the election was the future of my little country I think. It’s very sad. Baracky is like a dirty socialist what’s off his ritalin these days and we can’t send a note home to his parents cause they never loved him anyway and wouldn’t give a flip even if they were alive which they’re not.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:11 pm #
oh. The HealthTV or whatever they call it is so teh future. That and your cell phone I think. And maybe a kindle type thing. Magazines not so much. For reals. I’m not neurotic but I don’t gratuitously touch shit laying around doctor waiting rooms.
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 7:16 pm #
“I’m not neurotic but I don’t gratuitously touch shit laying around doctor waiting rooms.”
shhh you’re hurting repeat business
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/8 @ 7:29 pm #
Well thanks hf.
My, “I caught that gonorrhea from a Golf Digest in Dr. Johnson’s waiting room” excuse just went right out the window.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:36 pm #
I got addicted to hand sanitizer over Christmas and I had to go cold turkey when I got back.
Comment by cynn on 2/8 @ 7:49 pm #
happyfeet, that’s over the top. I get you don’t like Barak Obama. I get your swooning fear for this little country. You can hate the president all you want, like I did with George the Moron, but please leave the president’t family alone. In America, people are self-made, are they not?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 7:54 pm #
oh. I have been chastised. Um. Thinking… thinking more… um… No sale. Baracky and his dreams of his stupid drunk father that didn’t want anything to do with him is what started this dirty socialist misadventure. And maybe if his drunk daddy or his mom had loved him and actually wanted him around Baracky wouldn’t be so angry and alienated from all that is good and right and brave and true about our little country.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 8:00 pm #
Happy is a dirty American President hater. Boiled turtles make excellent soup! Want some?
Comment by router on 2/8 @ 8:06 pm #
“Happy is a dirty American President hater”
hater be a leftard thing. GO W.
Comment by Rusty on 2/8 @ 8:12 pm #
#106
Any economist worthy of the name will tell you lowering taxes is the way to get out of a recession. Not increasing debt.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 8:23 pm #
Hey now with the boiled pets. You don’t want to go down that road cause it doesn’t end well ever. Baracky and his media … their message is that they are going to spend a trillion dollars and not cause it’s gonna make anything better just that maybe things won’t get worse. They’re already downplaying this farce, tempering expectations. That’s cause they know it’s not designed to stimulate jack it’s just payola and filthy marxist wish fulfillment. That’s same as stealing and the precedent it sets … as the WaPo propaganda framed it this morning … is shocking not just in how facile it is but horrifying in what it reveals about how willing they are to squander national treasure to advance their sick and sad anemic dirty socialist worldview. And dirty socialist water carrier Mark Zandi is already making the case for Treasury Rape II.
Comment by cynn on 2/8 @ 8:55 pm #
happyfeet, you’re a pititful deadender. Would have been nice to agree to disagree.
Comment by Big D on 2/8 @ 9:16 pm #
I don’t think so, cynn. Like it or not, your side lowered the bar on civilized dissent. Even on PW you have posters from your side hurling insults at Sarah Palin and her children. I don’t like it much regardless of where it comes from, but there it is. Glass houses and all.
Comment by cranky-d on 2/8 @ 9:21 pm #
@128: That was a nice little summary there.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 9:23 pm #
Easy there, Big D.
It’s not like the Dems tried to impeach Bush or anything drastic like that.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 9:25 pm #
We can still agree to disagree, cynn. It’s really a rather causal hate if you want to know the truth. Sort of like how I hate John Corbett, you know? But I’m not gonna do that captain my captain nonsense. And I’m not going to pretend that very real people aren’t going to be grievously hurt by the diminished horizons that Baracky envisions for our little country. It’s heartbreaking, really. But you know what? It’s really not my problem. My values are what they always were and from day to day, that’s huge. Baracky? He’s really very very little. That’s why his media has to overcompensate to the hyperbolic extent that they do. Puny. I will endeavor to remind you of that on occasion I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 9:26 pm #
oh. *casual* hate…
Comment by Big D on 2/8 @ 9:30 pm #
And once again you absolutely miss the point, parsnip. Cynn was talking about HF’s rhetoric vis a vis BO and his family. If your side had taught us anything it is that all is fair game. As I said, I don’t like it much, but then your side made the rules. Don’t blame HF.
Comment by Big D on 2/8 @ 9:31 pm #
Oh, and HF is a PW icon. He can say whatever he wants.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 10:17 pm #
I just want to know one thing, if Obama and the government know how to create jobs and boost the economy and create wealth and make everything profitable again…
Why the fuck do we still gotta pay taxes?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 10:37 pm #
I just think maybe… I might could be a little ahead of the curve on the invective, but that won’t last very long I don’t think. I wasn’t kidding during the campaign about what I thought Baracky was, and he hasn’t done anything at all to dissuade me from my view of him. The opposite, really. Baracky will bury us. It’s what he’s come to do.
Comment by cranky-d on 2/8 @ 10:40 pm #
I wanted to believe, after he was elected, that your invective during the campaign was slightly over the top. That was wishful thinking on my part. Our president is everything you said he is.
Comment by SmokeVanThorn on 2/8 @ 10:49 pm #
cynn – Did we miss all the times that you told thor that Sarah Palin’s family was off limits? Or are you just selectively decent?
And I have very much enjoyed watching dipsnip trying to change the subject on how cuts in marginal tax rates affect total tax revenues. You got owned, son – the 0% gambit just won’t wash.
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 10:52 pm #
What if lowering taxes increases the national debt?
Think hard.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 10:56 pm #
cause debt is borrowed capital I think. Borrowed from for real capitalists.
Comment by B Moe on 2/8 @ 11:13 pm #
What if lowering taxes increases the national debt?
What if you tried to have an honest discussion instead of acting like a fucking moron.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/8 @ 11:16 pm #
I’m tired. Here’s the deal I think. The number that’s gonna tell the stimulus story isn’t GDP. It’s productivity. That is the answer to the question what if lowering taxes increases the national debt.
Comment by Big D on 2/8 @ 11:34 pm #
What if lowering taxes increases the national debt?
You’re not even trying anymore, are you?
Comment by thor on 2/8 @ 11:43 pm #
Trying to what, engage a bunch of political hyenas who have no one clue of what they hype?
Yeah, Log Cabin, I’m talking to you, econ-airhead.
Maybe you’d like to try it, Big D, what happens if you lower taxes and it relults in mammoth debt all while the underpinnings of the economy erode? As an example think of the Bushian economy.
Comment by parsnip on 2/8 @ 11:47 pm #
As I said, I don’t like it much, but then your side made the rules. Don’t blame HF.
I don’t blame happy-lamont, Big D.
Obviously he just needs his anti-depressants adjusted. He hates the Republicans even more than he hates Obama. He hates everybody.
As for which side “started it” using the parlance of juveniles everywhere, I think it has always been this way.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/8 @ 11:55 pm #
The CBO predicts the recession will end this year even without the “stimulus”.
But hey, what would they know about it?
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 12:00 am #
Looks like the smart politicians will be voting for the stimulus bill so they can share the credit for the economic recovery, SBP.
Should be coming just in time for the next election.
Comment by B Moe on 2/9 @ 12:02 am #
Maybe you’d like to try it, Big D, what happens if you lower taxes and it relults in mammoth debt all while the underpinnings of the economy erode?
Then you are spending too much fucking money, just like everyone here has been complaining about for the past eight years. Revenue has went up, tool, spending has went up even more. And now you idiots think the solution is to spend even more than that.
Comment by thor on 2/9 @ 12:12 am #
Yeah, Bmoe, we know that because of population growth and inflation and other factors that the GDP and the overall taxable wage and revenue base naturally rise. Thanks for that.
It’s a little more complicated than what you might think, given Bush’s total failure to comprehend and address wage stagflation and trade balances.
Comment by B Moe on 2/9 @ 12:19 am #
It’s a little more complicated than what you might think…
Actually it’s not, and your patronage is really starting to get old. Explain to me how raising corporate and income taxes is going to help the trade balance. Be sure to use Sarah Palin’s pussy and Larry Craig’s stance as metaphors, that always puts a spotlight on what a fucking genius you are.
Comment by Darleen on 2/9 @ 12:21 am #
Unemployment in the US was 7.8% when Smoot-Hawley was passed … more than doubled after its passage and still kept going up
yeah, let’s go there again ..
Comment by thor on 2/9 @ 12:32 am #
Depends on how you calculate unemployment, eh Darleen, but let’s keep it simple for fear of aggravating your confuddlement.
Tax rates don’t directly or easily correlate with trade balances, Bmoe. Do Germans and German companies pay often exorbitant German taxes? They seem to export products rather well. And the Danes have a export economy the last I checked.
Comment by Thomas Jackson on 2/9 @ 1:53 am #
Thor:
Indeed your comments betray an obvious lack of regard for the truth. Tax rates don’t relate to trade balances. Strange how nations with low tax rates are more propserous than say Zimbabwe or Sweden. But then again high tax rates are generally the reason that Western Europe has adopted tax evasion as its national sport as has the Obama cabinent.
Comment by thor on 2/9 @ 2:05 am #
If you want to play selective rhetorical ploys why didn’t you say so.
Russia. Not more prosperous. Low personal income taxes.
Denmark. More prosperous. High personal income taxes.
Poof!
Any other lightweight cliches you need me to implode?
BTW, Mexico has a lower income tax rate than the U.S. if my memory serves. How come they ain’t rich?
Comment by B Moe on 2/9 @ 5:33 am #
Tax rates don’t directly or easily correlate with trade balances, Bmoe. Do Germans and German companies pay often exorbitant German taxes? They seem to export products rather well. And the Danes have a export economy the last I checked.
If you want to play selective rhetorical ploys why didn’t you say so.
I don’t. And I don’t give a fuck about European economies.
Why are we “losing jobs overseas”? Why are companies reincorporating in the Caribbean? Why is outsourcing a new buzzword?
Lowering taxes helps keep jobs in this country. Lowering taxes gives small business more money for raises and expansion. This ain’t the fifties, we ain’t Europe. People need to fucking grow up and adapt.
Comment by Rusty on 2/9 @ 6:13 am #
#141
Take it one step farther , thor. Think harder.knucklehead.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 6:46 am #
Take it, take it, take it.