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1. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 8:10 am #

   What a mess.

2. Comment by Carin on 2/2 @ 8:28 am #

   You know, attempting to interact with those folks is pointless. They’ve found a spin they’re happy with, and nothing is going to change their mind.

   I say Bravo to the Fedora for damaging the alternative message the right-side of the blogshpere is trying to promote, and giving ammunition to the likes of Pam Spaulding. His failed model has allowed them to come to these conclusions:

   Given the American people’s distaste for conservatism as practiced by George W. Bush (which can be argued was a perversion of it) and desire for change, the money wasn’t there because no one cared about what these bloggers had to say or was willing to pay them to say it in this climate.

   Good JOB! See, the model didn’t suck, it was just that no one cared what right bloggers wanted to say.

   As I said, it’s pointless to engage in conversation with these folks.

3. Comment by SarahW on 2/2 @ 8:33 am #

   It’s a disappointing situation, but let the lefty tongues wag. There’s the future to consider, time to look to that instead of busting on the obvious.

4. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 8:34 am #

   Given the American people’s distaste for socialism as practiced by Baracky (who can be argued is something of a no-account dipshit what mostly accidentally got his dirty socialist ass elected pezzydent) and desire for change, the money wasn’t there because no one cared about what the New York Times had to say or was willing to pay them to say it in this climate.

5. Comment by Carin on 2/2 @ 8:39 am #

   You know who else is going bankrupt? The Detroit papers. I guess no one is interest in their liberal message.

6. Comment by Herbert Hoover on 2/2 @ 8:43 am #

   Silver lining: the more the proggs convince themselves this PJM thing has implications beyond JM, the more poleaxed they’re going to be when the revolution comes.

   (Most revolutions these days prefer to shoot, but the poleaxe is an underappreciated weapon.)

7. Comment by McGehee on 2/2 @ 8:44 am #

   Well said, Herb.

   <looks around sheepishly>

8. Comment by McGehee on 2/2 @ 8:45 am #

   ARGH!

   “convince themselves this PJM thing has implications beyond PJM”

   <grumble>

9. Comment by AKA Pablo on 2/2 @ 8:48 am #

   You know, attempting to interact with those folks is pointless.

   Yep.

   Good JOB! See, the model didn’t suck, it was just that no one cared what right bloggers wanted to say.

   So read this piece I wrote about the right bloggers and what they had to say!

10. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 8:49 am #

    they look expensive

11. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 8:50 am #

    Pam’s money quote is here:

    A If you read the entirety of my post, there’s not a lot of schadenfreude going around; I think the other shoe is going to drop on the left as well; it’s the entire economy, as well as the election windfall profits (as expected) going south that will deal the blogosphere a blow in general. I’ve been saying that for a long while prior to the crash. There’s not a good sustainable model that will compete with the establishment MSM or thinktanks/lobbying organizations. That’s why those entities hope we’ll all go away to some extent, because we aren’t controlled — but we also have no infrastructure, so they know they can wait us all out. I guess the pitiful schadenfreude we can hold to in the blogosphere is that the MSM is sucking wind when it comes to advertising as well.

    Pam is probably right about this.

12. Comment by Alec Leamas on 2/2 @ 8:51 am #

    Pam Spaulding looks like Theodore from Alvin and the Chipmunks with dreadlocks. I don’t know what this adds to the discussion, but it is true, so I said it.

13. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 8:58 am #

    oh. I was gonna say that wasn’t nice, but I click over and Pam is one of those what uses the word Talibangelist when she talks about the Christian people. What a bigot and also she has no discernment. Also she likes coffee. I like coffee too. You’d think that would be enough, but no. She is not a nice person I don’t think.

14. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 9:00 am #

    This was a link from the Village Voice article (which is engaged in schadenfreud)–but it is an interesting link on Johnson getting the boot from PJM.

    And the VV did appear to have corrected the error about mixing Dan and Jeff.

15. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:00 am #

    “Talibangelist”

    Are you F-ing kidding me?

16. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 9:04 am #

    You know who else is going bankrupt? The Detroit papers all the papers.

    Fixed it for you. :-)

17. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 9:05 am #

    Pam and her fellow Lesbian, Gay, Bi Transgendered pals are convinced if you go to church and actually take it even a wee bit seriously, you must be ready to burn them at the stake. They are convinced it was Booooooooooosh’s goal to institute the Handmaid’s Tale, and only their service at the ramparts kept that from happening. I am not endorsing Pam’s political or recent historical lunacy, but I thought her last comment on this who blogging ad mess was correct.

18. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 9:07 am #

    Talibangelist… it’s what passes for clever in our post-partisan dirty socialist utopia I think

19. Comment by McGehee on 2/2 @ 9:11 am #

    They ain’t cheap, Happy, but they also don’t need to be reloaded.

20. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 9:12 am #

    Somehow these people have convinced themselves that Grandma nagging them to go to church when they were teenagers was every bit as bad as having their genitalia mutilated and being stuffed into a sack.

    You’d think those big holes in Lower Manhattan would remind them that the Talibastards murdered 3,000 of their fellow citizens, while Rick Warren hasn’t ever murdered anybody.

    The narcissism is breathtaking.

21. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:15 am #

    So this c#nt compares people that use their religious views as a basis for their votes in a Representative Republic to a regime that in Asia that got its jollys off shooting people in a soccer stadium and preventing woman from reading. She must be a very nice and tolerant person, I would want her to come over my house for dinner most certainly.

22. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:16 am #

    How about we all start comparing Obama voters to the Shining Path.

23. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:22 am #

    Hmm how about PinO!cheist?

24. Comment by router on 2/2 @ 9:23 am #

    o people are like north koreans

25. Comment by AKA Pablo on 2/2 @ 9:26 am #

    So this c#nt compares people that use their religious views as a basis for their votes in a Representative Republic to a regime that in Asia that got its jollys off shooting people in a soccer stadium and preventing woman from reading.

    The entire world and everything that happens in it revolves around Pam’s penchant for eating pussy. Just so you know.

    And don’t tell Andrew Sullivan. He thinks it’s all about him.

26. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 9:27 am #

    Patterico on Andrew Sullivan tying himself in knots.

27. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:29 am #

    Nah O! people are like the dirty unwashed masses in one of those pissant South American countries that knowingly vote in socialist dictators who immediately upon winning disallow any future election while closing down any hostile media outlets so the people that voted them in only see government approved propaganda that they now are having happy happy joy joy lives while their new dictator proceeds to brutalize the populace. I love run on sentences by the way.

28. Comment by JHoward on 2/2 @ 9:30 am #

    As Carin alludes, leftards certainly won’t self-correct when there’s might-makes-right to promote. Witness our lovable trolls, who trot out the populist-might canard as proof of concept at the, well, drop of a hat.

    The right needs a publicly defined platform, I’m tellin ya…

29. Comment by serr8d on 2/2 @ 9:32 am #

    Heh. A comment from “Brown Frown” Pam’s co-blogger Bachalon (closed comments over there, BTW)..
    

    How do these people manage to survive on a day to day basis? Is hatred really that strong, that sustaining?

    Hatred’s what got Obonga elected, Bachalon. Hatred of Bush, hatred of traditional values-values what got us here. Values you don’t have, you narcissistic pompous bum fucker.

30. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:36 am #

    “How do these people manage to survive on a day to day basis? Is hatred really that strong, that sustaining?”

    Well that person obviously had a blind fold and earmuffs on for the last 8 years. Plus comparing groups in the United States to the freakin Taliban shows a level of hatred that is very hard to ignore.

31. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 9:37 am #

    Just FYI, I’ve had a very civil conversation with Pam herself. You’re free to whale on her ideology or her analogies, or anything else, of course, but she seems like a decent sort.

32. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 9:42 am #

    I would not consider using the word Talibangalist to be very civil or condusive to substantive analysis of anything other than as an example of BDS.

33. Comment by serr8d on 2/2 @ 9:42 am #

    Watch your back, Dan.

34. Comment by cranky-d on 2/2 @ 9:43 am #

    @29 So, they lack any ability for self reflection. I am shocked. Shocked!

35. Comment by SarahW on 2/2 @ 9:46 am #

    Love of liberty = hatred.

36. Comment by JHoward on 2/2 @ 9:52 am #

    Love of servitude = honor.

37. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 9:53 am #

    I retort; you deride.

38. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 9:53 am #

    Considering that the “plastic turkey” lie is still floating around, I wouldn’t hold out much hope that the record will be set straight.

    I agree with Pink. Calling people “Talibangelists” isn’t what I’d consider civil (for the record, I’m not an evangelical Christian).

39. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 9:55 am #

    I agree, SBP, but our email conversation was civil.

40. Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/2 @ 9:57 am #

    #20 SBP:

    The big holes do not exist. They are not part of the narrative. You can see all the film you want of the USS Arizona burning at Pearl Harbor, but you may not see any film of two big holes being made in Manhatten.

    It is not part of the approved narrative. It does not exist.

41. Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/2 @ 10:05 am #

    I was not deriding you sorry if it came across that way. The use of such completely over the top and hateful language is what I was disagreeing with.

42. Comment by TheGeezer on 2/2 @ 10:11 am #

    Carin, I hope all is well with you.

43. Comment by Carin on 2/2 @ 10:18 am #

    Thanks Geezer. I’m hoping I get those results today.

44. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 10:25 am #

    the money wasn’t there because no one cared about what the New York Times had to say or was willing to pay them to say it in this climate

    meltdown … new 52-wk low … it’s very sad

45. Comment by Bob Reed on 2/2 @ 10:26 am #

    Dan,
    Maybe Samantha can nose wiggle our way out of the financial crisis, the national debt, islamo-fascism, and Obama; all at once!

46. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 10:28 am #

    Samantha Power? Now, she looks like someone who might really marry Darren II.

47. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 10:29 am #

    No, Mr. Pink, I didn’t mean me.

48. Comment by ThomasD on 2/2 @ 10:31 am #

    MaO!ists

49. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 10:32 am #

    Looks like Michael Phelps is getting more shit for his Maoi Wowie.

50. Comment by Rick Ballard on 2/2 @ 10:34 am #

    “it’s very sad”

    It sure is, feets. It’s like seeing the decline in the incidence of leprosy or syphilis or polio. There’s still hope though – syphilis is making a comeback among the ignorant, so why couldn’t the NYT?

51. Comment by Pablo on 2/2 @ 10:38 am #

    The big holes do not exist. They are not part of the narrative.

    Plus it was an inside job. And we were asking for it. Chickens coming home to roost. What Bush sent.

52. Comment by router on 2/2 @ 10:40 am #

    meltdown … new 260 wk52-wk low … it’s very sad

53. Comment by Alec Leamas on 2/2 @ 10:41 am #

    “She is not a nice person I don’t think.”

    Yes, this. She was probably only civil to Dan because she feared Dan not being civil to her. Her appearance aside, my biggest problem is with her work product, which should always be accompanied by a video of tumbleweed meandering through Mainstreet in an Old West Ghost town. It is all heat, no light, lots of factual errors and omissions, chock-full of hypocrisy, painfully Lesbo-centric [and not the good kind of lesbian], banal, and embarrassingly unwittingly revelatory of her own psychological issues. (as in, I’m embarrassed for her)

54. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 10:42 am #

    ohnoes. If you really look at that chart with a critical eye, forgetting what you know about what a strong brand the New York Times is, you can see a discernible pattern. Maybe it’s just me.

55. Comment by libocrat on 2/2 @ 10:52 am #

    VV is VILLAGE VOICE?
    I thought it was Vicious Vagina. There is nothing nice about Pam Spaulding. Most liberals ooze hate.

56. Comment by Bob Reed on 2/2 @ 10:55 am #

    “Somehow these people have convinced themselves that Grandma nagging them to go to church when they were teenagers was every bit as bad as having their genitalia mutilated and being stuffed into a sack.”

    That’s the beauty of moral relativism SBP…

    Because, when it’s expedient, those things are equivalent…

    Just like by opposing Obama’s giveaway political payoffs Democrat party voters drive stimulus plasn, we are hoping that Americans and the economy suffers…

    But on the other hand, they were wielding absolute moral heft and authority when they were declaring the war lost, or hoping that it would soon be so, to suit their political ambitions…

    Know how I’m sure..? The MSM told me so, of course…

57. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 10:58 am #

    Well, I haven’t noticed Jeff laying off half his staff.

58. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 11:05 am #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 10:58 am #

    Well, I haven’t noticed Jeff laying off half his staff.

    My guess is they work cheap.

59. Comment by thor on 2/2 @ 11:14 am #

    I’d rather watch the 7th goddamn season of Bewitched.

    True dat, Bewitched is a mighty mighty couch magnet.

60. Comment by Jeff G. on 2/2 @ 11:20 am #

    I agree, SBP, but our email conversation was civil.

    Did you mention to her that I can be a prick, and that I take medication?

    Context.

61. Comment by happyfeet on 2/2 @ 11:21 am #

    oh. Nat Hentoff. He’s a for real journalist. That’s too bad. But what would we need civil liberties reporting for anymore?

62. Comment by Dan Collins on 2/2 @ 11:21 am #

    Yeah, I’m all about dissing you, Jeff.

63. Comment by Jeff G. on 2/2 @ 11:44 am #

    My email to Pam:

    Pam –

    I am puzzled by the framing of your diary entry on PJM’s partial reorganization.

    For instance, I missed the section in my response to Roger where I suggested I was somehow entitled to a job. Similarly, I don’t recall noting that I’ll be going on welfare, nor do I remember trying to petition the government to create a new agency so that I could find employment. I believe that were I to decide to go to a pay model, my site would do just fine, given that it happens to have an extraordinarily loyal readership — and that it is something of a cult site in the first place.

    The truth is, I was disappointed that PJM wasn’t open with us about their business model. And I was outraged that Simon would characterize us as being on the dole. After all, he provided the contracts, and we fulfilled our part of the bargain after signing them. If PJM truly were losing money on the blogger network end of things, that has to do with their own inability to find a suitable pay structure and to sell advertising.

    Too, most of us who are no longer working with Pajamas, come April, will not have any trouble continuing our sites, should we wish to. There are a number of other pay models we’re looking into that won’t be so hideously mismanaged as PJM. And while it’s true that blogging is often a labor of love, doing it daily for 7 years takes its toll — particularly when a regular readership comes to expect daily content. Which you can either provide for free, or else decide is worth providing only if you make enough to cover costs and time.

    The source of my ire was Roger’s persistent suggestion that everything was peach — up to the point where he sent us out a pink slip form letter. That, coupled with the silly idea that we were on the dole (remember, to be part of PJM, you had to sign an exclusivity agreement, meaning I’ve turned down a number of other advertisers who have contacted me), was what I was reacting to.

    Sore loser? Hardly. If there’s a sore loser here, it’s PJM.

    But then, defensiveness looks like confidence, I guess, when the rest of the venture capital is still there to blow on what will no doubt be a dismal failure for both PJM, its investors, and the GOP who seems to think Pajamas is a way to compete with heavily funded and lockstep partisan leftwing sites.

    Me, I openly declared my distaste for John McCain on NPR. Which makes me something of a wild card. And PJM is doing away with that kind of thing in order to better control its message — and more importantly, the tone of that message.

    Regards,
    Jeff Goldstein

    http://www.proteinwisdom.com

64. Comment by mcgruder on 2/2 @ 12:00 pm #

    MSM is in an ad-driven collapse.
    so is the blogosphere.
    something will step into the gap, or not.
    either way, Pam missed that.

    next.

65. Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/2 @ 12:28 pm #

    I’m not an advertising guy, but I didn’t think the advertising thing would pay. There are only so many potential customers, and so many hours of the day that each customer is going to see an ad. with so many outlets, so much media, it would seem that the effect of an ad in any one spot would be horribly weakened. Advertising rates would have to go down to permit an ad to be placed on enough outlets to ensure it was seen.

    Media saturation = dilution of any one ad on any one media source/entity = declining ad revenues for that particular media source/entity.

66. Comment by Alec Leamas on 2/2 @ 1:10 pm #

    “Obama’s stimulus plasn”

    If you meant “Obama’s Stimulus Plasm” methinks you took a stroke of genius.

67. Comment by mojo on 2/2 @ 1:22 pm #

    “Cult site”?

    Does that mean we get to, like, sacrifice goats or something?

68. Comment by dicentra on 2/2 @ 1:36 pm #

    Does that mean we get to, like, sacrifice goats or something?

    It means we have to post a video swearing our loyalty and first-borns to Jeff.

    Hey, as long as I don’t have to be Demi Moore. Or her boy-toy.

69. Comment by Joe on 2/2 @ 2:24 pm #

    Me, I openly declared my distaste for John McCain on NPR. Which makes me something of a wild card. And PJM is doing away with that kind of thing in order to better control its message — and more importantly, the tone of that message.

    Regards,
    Jeff Goldstein

    No problem saying you have problems with McCain, conservatives are good with that. But going on NPR? Hell, you are not even supposed to know where NPR is on your car radio. This is highly suspect! Pretty soon we are going to find out you gave a $100 pledge to get a copy of the CD Terry Gross’ Best Interviews Evah.

70. Comment by Pablo on 2/2 @ 7:22 pm #

    Does that mean we get to, like, sacrifice goats or something?

    It better not be castration and black Nikes.

71. Comment by McGehee on 2/2 @ 7:51 pm #

    The only comet I’m hitching a ride on was made by Mercury back in the ’60s.

72. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/2 @ 8:27 pm #

    Yes, put me down on the no-cutting-important-stuff-off side.

    If we’re going to be in a cult, I want it to be the kind where you get to have lots of filthy cult sex.

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