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January 24, 2009
Elderly British Man Predicts End to Humanity [Dan Collins]
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Comment by B Moe on 1/24 @ 7:30 am #
The biosphere pumps out 550 gigatonnes of carbon yearly; we put in only 30 gigatonnes. Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms.
That isn’t going to help his popularity much.
Comment by happyfeet on 1/24 @ 8:07 am #
I like the part about making charcoal out of agricultural waste except someone should tell this codger that farmers aren’t stupid and they have houses and sheds and whatnot what get cold in the winter. I bet they could do the math on this one.
Comment by B Moe on 1/24 @ 8:11 am #
That was a question I had also, ‘feets. It takes quite a bit of heat to make charcoal, and energy to dig huge holes in which to bury it. Doesn’t seem like we would be gaining much to me, but I ain’t a 90 year old guru so what do I know.
Comment by happyfeet on 1/24 @ 8:24 am #
Reading back through, it seems he just wants the farmers to plow the charcoal into the soil when they do their plowing. So you would have a spreader and a plow involved, but just the spreader would be the incremental cost. But I think collecting the waste would be a big deal, since I think the whole point of combines is to leave a good bit of useless stuff in the field. You can co back through and bale it I think to feed your cows and stuff, but … I think the old man is sort of talking out of his ass is my suspicion. If this were that easy farmers would already be doing it.
Comment by Carin on 1/24 @ 8:32 am #
Comments over there are interesting:
In case you skipped the article, the reference is to 90% of humanity gone.
Comment by SDN on 1/24 @ 9:00 am #
Lefties do lurves them some genocide.
Oh, and how do you make charcoal? You burn it, but not completely. Incomplete combustion has several harmful effects on Gaia.
Comment by geoffb on 1/24 @ 9:57 am #
Gaia has always been at war with Gaia.
or
Gaia is committing suicide.
We are learning that insanity can be fun and profitable.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/24 @ 11:56 am #
He wants to landfill garden waste and lawn clippings? Weren’t we supposed not to do that back in the 1990’s?
It could be he is right, or it could be that he’s just a grumpy old man.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/24 @ 12:55 pm #
“Most of the “green” stuff is verging on a gigantic scam. Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted. It’s not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it’ll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of reckoning.”
Yikes! Coming from the originator of the gaia theory, well, let’s just say that’s gonna leave a mark. Al Gore and Carol Browner must be worried about their connivance being exposed like this…
“I am not against renewable energy, but to spoil all the decent countryside in the UK with wind farms is driving me mad. It’s absolutely unnecessary, and it takes 2500 square kilometres to produce a gigawatt – that’s an awful lot of countryside.”
Uh-oh…Now T.Boone’s idea is being disparaged…
“Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms. What we can do is cheat those consumers by getting farmers to burn their crop waste at very low oxygen levels to turn it into charcoal, which the farmer then ploughs into the field.”
B-B-But, the ecosystem will be thrown out of balance! FIGHT FOR THE WORMS AND BACTERIA, MAN!1!!!1!eleventy…
You know, it’s really hard to take Dr. gaia seriously. Oh I admire him though; he’s made enough off of this scam over the years to buy a ride into space and live comfortably I’m sure…
The article is great for the Ogita it must give to the radical environmentalists though!
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/24 @ 12:56 pm #
Ooops, I forgot to add that this guy is just another population bomb adherant, and so too it seems are his ideas an outgrowth of that same ideology…
Comment by Sdferr on 1/24 @ 1:22 pm #
Does Lewis Thomas ever get a mention in this Gaia hypothesis stuff? It seems like he’s too honestly poetical in intent and not taken to mean it seriously. Which, if true, would be the better thing.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/24 @ 1:38 pm #
As far as Darwin goes, humans are the most successful large animals on the planet. Humans have conquered other animals, turned many to their servants, and in some places exterminated all other competing animals. Humans are so adaptable they can visit and live in some of the most inhospitable places on this planet and have gone beyond it. Based on that humans shouldn’t kill themselves off as they are nature’s success story.
Comment by lee on 1/24 @ 2:30 pm #
This displays an alarming ignorance of nature and farming that makes ethanol positively brilliant in comparison.
Soil needs agricultural waste plowed back in (mulch anyone?) to remain fertile and shit. Yeah, shit. You know, fertilizer? Where does the “carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering” come from? Do you think it could be necessary for the plant to produce it’s crop?
Is it really a good idea to sterilize the soil by turning “agricultural waste” into “non-biodegradable charcoal”?
No,it’s even stupider than ignoring domestic oil reserves and nuke power in favor of turning food into gas.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/24 @ 2:37 pm #
Yea lee, but it does set up a malthusian self-fulfilling prophecy…
So he’s got that going for him; if anyone is stoooooopid! enough to heed his advice…
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/24 @ 2:39 pm #
Where does the “carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering†come from?
Fertilizer is nitrogen, potassium,and phosphorus, mostly.
The carbon comes from the air, not the soil.
Converting the waste into charcoal would likely turn the mineral content into soluble ash, so, no problem there.
I have serious doubts whether this scheme is energy or economically efficient, though.
We have exactly one safe, clean, sustainable, and carbon-neutral energy source.
Naturally, it’s the one that sends the hippies into a screeching frenzy.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/24 @ 2:42 pm #
Is that because it glows in their dark, SBP? :-)
Comment by lee on 1/24 @ 3:20 pm #
Yeah Spies, but the problem is he said to turn agricultural waste into non-biodegradable charcoal. First, there isn’t any waste; through natural process waste replenishes the soil, whether the farmer spreads manure, plows under the harvested crop, or burns and spreads what he can’t plow under. Second, no-biodegradable implies it won’t break down to enrich the soil.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems the point is to de-carbonize the the farming process, which would sterilize farmland. Don’t underestimate the power of government folly. Especially if lead by a all powerful commie.
Comment by Patrick Carroll on 1/24 @ 8:47 pm #
When I was a kid in the west of Ireland, we’d take potato(e) stalks after the harvest (early August, or thereabouts), mix them with seaweed, add them to the midden (“pile of cowshit”) let it all stew, and mix the lot back into the ground early the next year. To this day there are actual “spreaders” you can attach to the back of tractors, fill with, well, “mulch”, and then run back and forth to put essential nutrients back into the land.
Of course, I grew up in a farming world that had persisted for at least 400 years. Things are differnt now, I’m ure, waht with the EU and all.
Apart from the cabbage, lettuce, onion, turnip (ugh!), suede (ugh) gardens, etc., we also had hayfields, mostly to feed cattle through the winter (Jayzus! The stink of silage!). The cows would summer back on the mountain, but in winter they had to be fed silage. Or be fed expensive stuff from the co-op. There were also chickens and pigs (mmmmm…black pudding), and I had license to take as many trout and eel as I could from the river behind our house, and if I ever snared a rabbit or a pheasant, well, so much the better. Oh, and mushrooms, and…
I realize, of course, that the only acceptable penance for my multiple and hideous sins against Gaia is immediate immolation.
Except…What’s the carbon footprint on that?
(BTW, in my experience farming to feed a family is dirty, difficult, and dangerous. Unless you have an avocation, it’s really not for you. I did have a great time as a kid, but I fled it and I’m not anxious to go back.)
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