From Warner Todd Huston at Stop the ACLU:
And, naturally, Dougherty pretended it wasn’t his fault that the story was appearing in his newspaper.
I want to be very clear on this: I have from the beginning and do now consider the conspiracy theories about Trig’s birth to be nutty nonsense.
If that’s true, why has Lisa Demer been asking questions about Trig’s birth?
Because we have been amazed by the widespread and enduring quality of these rumors. I finally decided, after watching this go on unabated for months, to let a reporter try to do a story about the “conspiracy theory that would not die†and, possibly, report the facts of Trig’s birth thoroughly enough to kill the nonsense once and for all.
Sure, he is only reporting that other people are still talking about this idiotic conspiracy theory.
Next week, Dougherty plans to run a long expose on how other people are still saying the world is flat, followed by a story that other people are claiming the Holocaust didn’t really happen, but these are only after he finishes his in-depth and highly intellectual story that other people are claiming the moon landing never happened. Not that he is continuing the discussion on these crazy, idiotic conspiracy theories, of course.
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 1/11 @ 8:44 am #
You could included Tim Blair’s “The Plastic Turkey Meme That Wouldn’t Die”.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 8:49 am #
Major John, that one’s not biodegradable. There are so many we could add that it seems best to leave it alone.
Comment by Ric Locke on 1/11 @ 9:12 am #
The Plastic Turkey isn’t biodegradable, but it’s small and relatively simple, so it might be possible to analyze it as a psychosocial phenomenon. The turkey wasn’t fake. We have circumstantial evidence in the form of messhall common practice, not just military but any large-group feeding system, and we have (thanks to Blair’s commenters) direct testimony from the fellow running the mess hall at the time.
It was, however, not meant to be eaten, and having sat on the shelf above the steam tables for most of the day was probably too dried out to be edible, so it was “artificial” in that sense, and monky/alphie/actus/parsnip can argue with some logic that in this context “plastic” is merely a synonym for “artificial”. If that is the case, the basic argument — that Bush was cruelly taunting the soldiers with something he had that they weren’t permitted to share — stands, and “plastic turkey” is simply a paraphrase.
That is as far as the Leftoids can understand the situation, and the fact that the troops didn’t rise up and smite the offender is a continual puzzlement to them. Now, Bush was taunting the soldiers, but was doing so as a “black” joke based on possibly the oldest unresolvable dichotomy associated with military service: you can be comfortable and lack the ammo to survive the war, or you can have enough ammo to win but have to live rough. Properly framed, it’s the basis of a good joke in any military context. Having it come from the Commander in Chief in terms that make it clear that he understands is roll-on-the-floor material. The Leftoids cannot understand that because the tools necessary for understanding aren’t present in their worldview. They thus fall back on the simplistic version, and the meme endures. Nuance, y’know.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 9:19 am #
Bush said that the thing he would miss most was being CiC. The lefties will read whatever they want into that, but I think that the simple fact is he enjoyed working with people who do their jobs competently.
Comment by donald on 1/11 @ 9:23 am #
I assume that during Mrs. Palin’s pregnancy that there was daily press coverage on her by this newspaper. I assume that there was and is an assigned beat reporter to Mrs. Palin and/or the governors office. I mean, if I was running a serious newspaper in a specific state I would. And I assume that there was a noticiable change in the physical appearance of Mrs. Palin, during this specific time period, and I assume there was even a story or two. I ain’t even gonna bother with looking it up, because if there were’nt then they aren’t doing their job. Todd Palin needs to bop over to that paper and kick Mr. Dougherty’s ass up and down whatever the main thoroughfare is in Anchorage. Then they can run another story, hopefully complete with pictures of Mr. Dougherty, before and after. And for any pussy who doesn’t think he should, you don’t have a fucking penis. Unless you’re a chick and then if you’re preaching this bullshit, you need your tittie’s twisted. Painfully.
Comment by donald on 1/11 @ 9:24 am #
Just sayin.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 1/11 @ 10:04 am #
Rumor quality? Spoken like a true intellectual.
Comment by mcgruder on 1/11 @ 10:55 am #
I do not believe that any person in so-called mainstream media has behaved more revoltingly and with less honor than Andrew Sullivan has in respect to this Trig Palin issue. he has crossed a line that warrants his dismissal from his job at the Atlantic.
he is less than.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 10:56 am #
Salim Hamdan was released from custody by the Yemeni authorities yesterday. Wow, thanks SCOTUS! Justice well done!
Comment by McGehee on 1/11 @ 11:12 am #
Anchorage used to be a two-newspaper town, and like another McClatchy stronghold I could name (hey Lisa, you lurking?), the wrong newspaper survived.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 1/11 @ 12:33 pm #
McGehee,
The loony left in LA thinks the “wrong newspaper” survived, too, even though the LA Times is completely on their side.
I saved a copy of the last issue of the Herald-Examiner, for grins and giggles. By the time of its demise, it had descended into left-wing political “Weekly World News” tabloid silliness. Sully would have felt at home there.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/11 @ 12:36 pm #
Ric,
You would be correct if the mess hall hadn’t roasted up a bunch of other turkeys. One of the traditions on holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas that have giant feed bags laid on, is that the officers will serve the enlisted, to include carving up roasted turkeys, steamship rounds, or whatever else has been cooked. As soon as one is fully served, a new one will be plopped down – the troops weren’t eating reheated turkey loaf. Whether the turkey the President carried was eaten is irrelevant, it was an example of what was being served, therefore there was neither artificiality, nor taunting nor plasticity, nor black jokes.
That the meme endures is simply a byproduct of leftoid ignorance of the military, and their bitter clinging to their misbeliefs.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 1/11 @ 12:40 pm #
Interesting bit from the H-E Wiki link:
The union held a gun to its own head, saying in effect, “Do as we say or we’ll pull the trigger!”. The average readers and advertisers said, “Hey, go right ahead”.
And then BLAMMO!
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 12:44 pm #
So you are left with two choices :
1. Trig isn’t Sarah’s baby
2. Sarah Palin was incredibly reckless in the days/hours before Trig’s birth. She put him in danger for no reason other than she wanted to give birth in some backwoods hospital. Stupid as shit.
Which one of these two choices are you wingnuts more comfortable with? For myself, #1 casts Ole’ Sarah in a better light.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 12:47 pm #
oh, you’re a doctor now? or did Phil Graham tell you that?
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 12:48 pm #
I’m sure you have the same feeling about lefties who use midwives, right, assclown?
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 12:53 pm #
It is comforting to know we now have choices over the truth.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 12:55 pm #
Has nothing to do with midwives. Has to do with Sarah Palin. Try again.
Comment by ushie on 1/11 @ 12:55 pm #
assclown, you idiot. I know for sure you’re not a woman, because you have NO idea how women behave in regard to their pregnancies. Governor Palin knew exactly what her body and her baby needed. This is one issue where, if you have a penis, you need to keep your yap shut.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 12:56 pm #
riiiiight, Mr. “False dichotomy” try again.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 12:58 pm #
Bite me, ushie. It doesn’t take a vagina to know what is safe for an unborn baby. Fucking jackass.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 12:59 pm #
Yip Yip, maggie!
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 12:59 pm #
who’s the good girl! you are!
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 12:59 pm #
Your disingenuity is showing, classpwn.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 12:59 pm #
again, you gonna show us your diploma?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:00 pm #
yip! yip! keep begging me!
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:01 pm #
is your partner just not doing it for ya anymore? poor Phil.
Comment by Rusty on 1/11 @ 1:01 pm #
The ass has beclowned himself. If you even had a girlfriend you wouldn’t have posted that.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:02 pm #
ha ha, no, assclown knowns stuff. sooper sekrit stuff.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 1:07 pm #
I saved a copy of the last issue of the Herald-Examiner,
Spiny
My dad worked for the Examiner right up to the point they merged with the Herald. To this day he can give you chapter and verse on what a boneheaded move it was and that he knew it would spell the eventual end of the paper.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 1:09 pm #
assclown believes it knows better than Gov. Palin’s own OB, who saw no danger in her flying home.
Wonder how many pregnancies assclown has had.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:11 pm #
The idea that Palin was reckless isn’t exactly controversial. At least among sane people. If you read anything other than wingnut echo chambers, you might understand this. It isn’t my job to convince you, just to mock your proud ignorance.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:12 pm #
I guess it would go against the “Palin, Warrior Princess” idolatry, though. So sad.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:13 pm #
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:14 pm #
Her flying home landed on Hillary.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:17 pm #
Your facts are wrong, idiots. Her doctor isn’t an OB. Palin never asked permission to fly, she just did it.
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
Hey, a link! Maggie, you HAVE been a good girl!
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:18 pm #
Which is why she should have taken medical advice from assclown and Sully.
I’m just going to start referring to egregious lefty trolls as assclowns. You are now an internet noun.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 1:20 pm #
assclown doesn’t read his own link, but why should that bother an assclown who obviously is more informed than the attending MD?
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 1:21 pm #
– she consulted with her doctor, family physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who is based in the Valley and has delivered lots of babies, including Piper, Palin’s 7-year-old.
Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, “which is not active labor,” the doctor said.
“Things were already settling down when she talked to me,” Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.
“I don’t think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back,” Baldwin-Johnson said.
I see why you are so reluctant to link, assclown.
Comment by ushie on 1/11 @ 1:26 pm #
Sooo…her FEMALE obs-gyn and Gov. Palin were in contact and her FEMALE obs-gyn said it was ok, what Palin did.
Please assclown, you’re being a bigger assclown than the situation warrants. Settle back, breather deeply, and wait for a different topic–one that doesn’t involves uterii–to come up.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:34 pm #
The link did nothing to contradict what I said. The fact that you quoted the part that proves I’m right show just how awfully stupid you are.
Baldwin is a family doc, not an ob gyn, check. Baldwin didn’t ok her flight, check. In any case, who cares if she is an ob gyn or not it just proves you fuckwits claim shit you don’t know.
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:35 pm #
And the thought that only women can decide on unborn children is fucking utterly laughable coming from pw.com. I mean, seriously? The irony is so thick I need waders. Nevermind, that’s bullshit.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:36 pm #
you don’t actually read much here, do you?
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:37 pm #
Oh, and I assume ushie doesn’t believe male OB Gyns are reputable. You stupid shrew. Sexist!
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 1:40 pm #
You forgot one:
3. Assclown is a fucking nitwit.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:40 pm #
assclown, please go find the post where we recommend outlawing abortion. Then please tell us why, if it’s a private concern of the woman only, men who are not even the biological father should be forced to pay child support. After that, we’ll have a nice discussion about choices.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
assie is continuing in Sully-stick-fingers-in-ears-and-be-profane-with-people-who-don’t-buy-yer-shit-dumbglutes style.
Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
So Bristol and Levi didn’t get married.
Why did Sarah Palin lie to America?
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
Well, I guess I’ll go ahead and claim victory since nobody has refuted any of my points. Thanks, morons. Sarah Palin is either reckless with an unborn child’s life, a baldfaced liar, or both. Kudos on your choice of hero! It fits quite nicely.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
I sort of like that one because it means that Sarah palin made sure her daughter wasn’t punished with her grandchild by raising it herself, whereas Barack Obama would make sure his daughter wasn’t punished with his grandchild by having it killed.
Of course, Tripp gets in the way of all that, but as long as we’re going to delve into idiocy, we might as well try to drag some wisdom out of it.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
you don’t actually read much here, do you?
Of course it doesn’t.
Since it has absolutely nothing to contribute (and it knows it), it’s determined to wreck the conversation for everyone else.
That makes it feel important, and allows it to forget about the utter failure that it is in real life for a while.
It’s a sad little spoiled child.
Yo, assclown: at the end of the day, we all still have lives, families, and meaningful jobs.
You have none of those, nor will you ever.
Enjoy your shit-stirring, loser.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:43 pm #
Arguing with you is a little like playing Don’t Break the Ice with a blind man.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:44 pm #
With a sledge hammer.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/11 @ 1:46 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #
So Bristol and Levi didn’t get married.
Why did Sarah Palin lie to America?”
Parsnip, until you answer the question posed to you a long time ago, you don’t get to pose any in the same form…
I ask you the question others here have asked; Why did Obama lie to America?
Best Wishes
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 1:47 pm #
To recoup, this all started here:
32 Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:11 pm #
The idea that Palin was reckless isn’t exactly controversial. At least among sane people. If you read anything other than wingnut echo chambers, you might understand this.
The Doctor stated, according to assclown’s link:
“I don’t think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back,†Baldwin-Johnson said.
To which assclown responds:
Well, I guess I’ll go ahead and claim victory since nobody has refuted any of my points.
Once again proving Dan Collin’s post title genius.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:48 pm #
BECAUSE THE OB-BYN FROM SACRAMENTO HAS PRONOUNCED IT POSSIBLE!!! I mean, it’s not like a woman that’s already had four kids would know anything about pregnancy.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 1:48 pm #
True dat. Abortion is unsafe for an unborn baby. Flying, not so much.
I’d like to thank you, assclown, for showing up on a thread entitled “The Enduring Power of Stupid”. It just fits. It’s like you belong here.
Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 1:52 pm #
What are you saying, Bob?
That Sarah Palin used her daughter, her daughter’s baby daddy and her unborn grandkid for political reasons?
What a pity such a fine human being didn’t get elected.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:56 pm #
Gee, and here I thought those fundie bastards were all about forcing them to get married right away, before they’re out of high school and all that.
Please show me where Palin said they were on a timetable, snippy. You know, a link.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:57 pm #
God, you people are horrible debaters.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 1:58 pm #
sowwy
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 1:58 pm #
No, I mean snippy and assclown. It’s embarrassing. I’m supposed to be taking care of Jeff’s place.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 2:00 pm #
No, snippy. Bob didn’t say that. Bob said: “Why did Obama lie?”
I know you’re stupid and not too good at comprehending, so I’m here to help.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 2:01 pm #
I know… it’s just they imagine us saying such interesting things…
;D
I’d switch to more cat blogging in the mean time. might motivate Jeff a bit more, as well. hee hee.
Comment by geoffb on 1/11 @ 2:02 pm #
This was to be about Dougherty but our local troll has shown he belongs too.
Ignorance can be cured unless it is willful. Stupid goes to the bone and is forever. One or the other is what Dougherty is displaying, proudly.
Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 2:05 pm #
Please show me where Palin said they were on a timetable, snippy.
So it was kinda like when Bush said he’d catch bin Laden?
We just sorta wrongly assumed it would be sooner rather than later?
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 2:06 pm #
Yeah, but he might rip my arms off. I’ve heard it makes typing difficult.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 2:08 pm #
Link, please.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 2:08 pm #
apparently so
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 2:09 pm #
I assumed it would be after Bristol graduated, like they have said a million times.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 2:09 pm #
argh, WP doesn’t like Huffpo links?
Comment by ushie on 1/11 @ 2:13 pm #
Ok, Snippy and assclown, even though you’re “arguing” about 2 different things, both of you grab a calendar. Any will do.
assclown, the gestation of a full-term baby is closer to 10 months than 9. Go backwards from TRIPP’s birth. How many months is that? Was TRIG already born? Then your first point is stupid and wrong.
Snippy, go back anywhere on your calendar and tell me upon which day a couple should get married. GO ahead, now. By etiquette or legality or whatever, what’s the date for any random couple to be married? Any couple, not related to you? Any couple, say, in Alaska? What? there is no official wedding date for couples? How extraordinary.
As regards your second point, assclown, air travel doesn’t cause Downs syndrome. Unless it’s air travel undertaken in the Bizarro universe, and you’re already talking all kinds of crazy, so maybe that’s where you’re from, in which case I’m so sorry.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 2:17 pm #
maggie
I guess “summer wedding” means something different in rootveggie’s/assie’s alternative reality.
Comment by thor on 1/11 @ 2:20 pm #
You’ve repeated this line enough times I’m beginning to think you actually believe it, which makes me chuckle, at you, in long bouts.
Nuclear pods of Steppford redumblicans roaming around in expressionless Devo robot jerks.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 2:20 pm #
ushie
you know, in going through geneology records it is interesting to note that can easily find a couple who married after the date of their eldest child’s birth.
funny how the amoral Leftcultists have hissy fits when their cartoon straw-conservatives don’t act according to their own stereotype.
Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 2:21 pm #
Easy there, ushie.
Nobody wants Sarah Palin to run for president in 2012 more than me.
Except maybe Barack Hussein Obama.
Comment by thor on 1/11 @ 2:25 pm #
Palin’s kids will be in need of updated wardrobes by 2012. She’s in.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 2:28 pm #
All of which goes to show that it’s important that the Anchorage paper pursue this crucial story.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 2:29 pm #
Great! Now why don’t you answer her question?
Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 2:35 pm #
tell me upon which day a couple should get married
Probably before their baby is born.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 2:37 pm #
Comment by thor on 1/11 @ 2:47 pm #
The only thing that would surprise me is if Bristol Palin married her sister.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Comment by ushie on 1/11 @ 3:37 pm #
Oh, parsnip, parsnip. You’re so…Victorian…in your social outlook.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 3:40 pm #
parsnip must be one of those evangelical Christians.
Comment by donald on 1/11 @ 3:43 pm #
Osama Bin Laden has been dead for a real long time. Thanks George Bush.
Comment by Techie on 1/11 @ 3:59 pm #
Don’t feed the trolls.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/11 @ 4:20 pm #
Have we gotten an answer on why Obama lied to America?
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/11 @ 4:37 pm #
Assclown may not have a vagina, but he’s certainly got a MANGINA. What a fucking whiner!
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/11 @ 4:39 pm #
C’mon maggie and ushie, make assclown feel a little more ignorant about being pregnant and birthing babies. I want the the full Butterfly McQueen routine!
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 6:17 pm #
So much willful ignorance here it boggles the mind.
“assclown, the gestation of a full-term baby is closer to 10 months than 9.”
What. The. Fuck. You are an idiot. It might be 9.5 months, depending on how you count it, but it certainly isn’t “closer to 10 months”. Also, you are an idiot.
“As regards your second point, assclown, air travel doesn’t cause Downs syndrome. ”
No shit. But you know what does? Old mothers.
Let me paint you a picture. You are an older mother-to-be on her 5th kid. Your water breaks in Texas. Do you jump on a plane and take an 11 hour plane ride or do you go to a hospital since you can deliver at any time? If you say the former, I think you are a fucking liar.
I think it is telling that her doc claims to NOT have been asked if it was safe to fly after her water broke. I find that hard to believe. Palin didn’t just call her doctor to chat. The doctor denies being asked because IT WOULD BE RECKLESS TO FLY 11 HOURS IN THAT CONDITION WITH A HIGH RISK PREGNANCY. The doctor knows this and won’t say she gave the go ahead. There is a big difference between “I said it was ok” and “it is reasonable”. Weasel words.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 6:19 pm #
Amazing that you don’t make such a stink about the willful ignorance of those who claim Trig is Bristol’s baby.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 6:27 pm #
This ex-post facto posturing kind of reminds me of the golfer who misses an easy two foot putt and then demands that he be credited with one less stroke than he’s already actually accrued since in theory he certainly wouldn’t ordinarily miss a two foot putt.
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 6:43 pm #
Did you even bother to read the actual post up there, assclown? You know, the one linking to and quoting the fucking Anchorage Daily News?
Comment by irongrampa on 1/11 @ 7:00 pm #
Dan, fwiw, I think you’re doing a fine job, caretaking Jeff’s blog.
I commend you for allowing these butt-bags like thor, and alphie/parsnip/assclown to exercise their freedom of speech here.
Must seem at times to be a hair shirt sorta thing, I’d guess.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 7:06 pm #
Thanks, irongrampa. Honestly, most of the time it doesn’t bother me at all. Sometimes, I’m even puzzled by how little it bothers me.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 7:09 pm #
Like Phlogiston, for instance, or maybe Caloric, so little it bothers You Dan?
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 7:11 pm #
Oy, I must be thinking about globes or something, what with all that errant capitalization…..
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 7:12 pm #
God, Phlogiston? Now that drives me nuts.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/11 @ 7:51 pm #
It’s nice of assclown to reinforce the title of this post. I wonder if he wants to provide further assistance and delve into the matter of rape kits in Wassila.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/11 @ 7:54 pm #
I’m still interested in that secret Palin time machine.
You remember, the one that allows her to ban books that haven’t even been published yet.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 8:02 pm #
Dr. Assclown believes that “leaking amniotic fluid” is the same as “water breaking”
Um…no.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 8:26 pm #
http://en.allexperts.com/q/ObGyn-Pregnancy-issues-1007/amniotic-fluid-leak.htm
Hysterical assie has zip experience with pregnancies…and I dare say with any vagina except the one he slipped out of.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 8:45 pm #
Goodness, assie, where is your degree? How many babies have you delivered? How many pregnancies have you had? How many OB/GYN’s have you had discussions with?
Please, where is your expertise that leaking of amniotic fluid well before the due date and without clear signs of labor is “imminent” child birth? Or the exact same thing as the rupture of the amniotic membranes with a gushing of water during labor?
Better call up your mommy and beg her for the details of your birth.
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 8:46 pm #
I didn’t believe there could possibly be anyone stupider than parsnip, but by God assclown is going to give it a go.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:02 pm #
assie
you don’t get it. I don’t have to show “normal” actions for Gov. Palin. She and her doctor made their decisions based on the circumstances of her case. You’ve shrieked hysterically about things you have no clue about and have not proved she at anytime put herself or Trig – successfully delivered and healthy – at any unnecessary risk.
Though, it is amusing to watch the Leftcult try to make Gov Palin “unfit” when they are also condemning her for not aborting the Down’s kid in the first place.
Come on, assie, how many OB/GYN’s have you personally talked with?
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:05 pm #
Well, let’s see. Sarah went home and had her baby in a very normal fashion, without incident.
What else you got, asshat?
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 9:05 pm #
Still arguing with the pin dancing fairies in your head? Carry on.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:08 pm #
You’re too kind, Darleen. I suspect assclown might be an asshole baby.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:09 pm #
I’d rather read the opinions of doctors on the internet
Because “doctors” on the ‘nets know so much about Gov. Palin’s case.
Oh, btw, any doctor on the net that claims to diagnosis without any access to med records skates close (if not crosses) that ethical line into “passer-by diagnosis”.
sad little assie, go talk to your mommy.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:13 pm #
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/leaking-amniotic-fluid.html
Sometimes when there is a small tear in the amniotic sac, it may heal itself over a period of time and the leaking may simply stop of its own accord.
——–
Yes, assie, absolutely no difference between PROM and SROM, leaking and gushing, labor or false labor…
OMIGAWD PALIN WASN’T IN LABOR, SHE WAS IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HER DOCTOR, SHE HAD AN UNINVENTFUL DELIVERY AND TRIG WAS HEALTHY BUT I HAVE TO SCREAM ABOUT HER ANYWAY CUZ SHE’S JUST A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE INAUTHENTIC WOMAN!!!!ELEVENTY!!!
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:14 pm #
Well, if I were a proper lefty, I’d fly to Kansas and see Dr. Tiller to have it killed. Aside from that, what’s Downs got to do with it? BTW, it wasn’t “possibly”. The Palins knew Trig was Downs.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:15 pm #
had a gush of fluid
when you start with an error of fact, everything that follows is false.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 9:17 pm #
Just how many of those little buggers do fit a dancing on the head of that pin in your head there?
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:17 pm #
Yes. Because I’m talking to a rabid, hateful fool. That always puts me in a playful mood.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:19 pm #
Do you think it wasn’t? Because it was. Ipso facto.
I do believe I love this thread. Thanks, Dan.
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 9:22 pm #
I think that the majority of obstetricians…
Do understand the concept of a majority, assclown? It is different from unanimous, and means that some obstetricians would advise differently.
Do you think it was a coincidence she delivered 23 or whatever hours after the leak?
No more of a coincidence than Palin thinking she had plenty of time to get home and delivery the child in comfortable circumstances and being perfectly correct.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:24 pm #
I’d get on the mysterious indeterminate plane, asshole. And then I’d pray to a vengeful God, because that always works.
END OF THREAD!!!!
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 9:25 pm #
It just isn’t registering with you that Palin made it home in plenty of time to have the baby, is it? I guess hind sight isn’t 20/20 if you are an assclown.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:25 pm #
Because when you’re leaking amniotic fluid, you might as well be dying.
END OF THREAD!!!
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:28 pm #
You know what? It’s a goddamn shame that this kid died. Stupid Ugandans.
END OF THREAD!!!
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 9:28 pm #
What was that thingie a while back about reality based somethin’ or other? Where reality based had to do with fairies and pins and dancing and the like?
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 9:29 pm #
Oh, so you really did make that putt that you missed there, is that it?
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/11 @ 9:30 pm #
Barack, I said, you don’t want to get mixed up in any land deals with Tony Rezko. Barack, I said, are you sure that you really want to back Hot Rod for governor?
Barack, I said, don’t you think it might be a problem on the national stage to have a race-baiting pastor?
Bill Richardson? What’s with that?
Did he listen to me? The boy is reckless.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:30 pm #
You must have missed the part where you’re trying to turn a perfectly calm, natural birth into child abuse/endangerment. Because of the logic.
END OF THREAD!!!
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:31 pm #
Oh, I forgot to say FUCK YOU! But then, I really wasn’t thinking that, so I’m not sure I was required to say it.
END OF THREAD!!!
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 9:31 pm #
Results don’t matter.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/11 @ 9:32 pm #
It’s all in how you keep the score I guess B Moe.
Comment by B Moe on 1/11 @ 9:33 pm #
You should claim you are the King of the World. That would be frickin’ cool.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:34 pm #
Is that the same as the BUSH LIED!! consensus, or is it more like the AGW consensus?
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:34 pm #
do hate people who would hold Palin up as some uber-woman for putting her unborn child at risk
More amusing stuff from Leftcultists who never fail to lecture the rest of us rubes that A Womyn’s decisions about Hyr Own Body(tm) are sacrosanct.
Comment by Pablo on 1/11 @ 9:35 pm #
I’m gonna go check the Daily Dish. Because I can handle the truth!!!
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 9:36 pm #
Assie’s “majority of ob’s” and “medical consensus” is from the same school as the Gorical’s AGW-the debate is OVAH- ’scientists’
I betcha
Comment by thor on 1/11 @ 9:44 pm #
I trust cynn’s opinion. cynn, if your ladybox is gushing like an axe wound, do you jump on a plane or go to the hospital?
Comment by Jay on 1/11 @ 10:44 pm #
Wow! 2 links in a day from Dan! Thank you again!
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 10:47 pm #
“Assie’s “majority of ob’s†and “medical consensus†is from the same school as the Gorical’s AGW-the debate is OVAH- ’scientists’
I betcha”
You’ll never know because you didn’t check. Your female intuition tells you all you need to know about Palin, Princess Warrior. And it feelz reel guud!
Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 10:49 pm #
It is similar to AGW, Darleen. You are an idiot savant. If it just “feels wrong” to you, it must be. All that fancy learnin’ is just tricks by those elite people from colleges. Thank goodness you’ll never have to sully your mind with facts or knowledge.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/11 @ 10:58 pm #
Funny how these folks who think that young Trig should’ve had his skull punctured with a pair of scissors and his brain vacuumed out are oh-so-concerned about his mom flying while leaking a little amniotic fluid.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 11:10 pm #
oh, I don’t know nothin’ bout birthin’ babies.
Comment by Darleen on 1/11 @ 11:10 pm #
assie
I don’t do passer-by diagnosis, that seems to be your gig. Certainly the unethical mess of it is certainly in line with your hysterical amorality.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/11 @ 11:18 pm #
Is assclown Andrew Sullivan? Could that explain his total cluelessness about human reproduction? He seems as clueless, just not as shrill and over the top.
Comment by Sigmund Schadenfreude on 1/11 @ 11:19 pm #
So now, in addition to being an expert on politics, psychology, and the Mycroft effin’ Holmes of the left, assclown in now a fully qualified, and wikipedia liscenced, OB-GYN!
Is there no limit to the knowledge that the googl-acle can provide you? Are there no bounds to your wikipedia expertise?
I do know that your gall and lack of shame is unbounded!
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/11 @ 11:21 pm #
Thanks maggie. Better late than never.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 11:22 pm #
there are! as of yet, he has been unable to tell us who Phil Graham is and why this Mr. Graham is responsible for the terrible economy.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/11 @ 11:23 pm #
sorry, I had rehearsal.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/11 @ 11:33 pm #
Hmmmmmmm…
assclown…RAWMUSCLGLUTES..!
You might be onto something daleyrocks…
Comment by geoffb on 1/12 @ 12:51 am #
A
ndrewSullivan’S clown. Sockpuppet being already taken by Gleen.The Everly Brothers fits.
Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
He dies each time
He hears this sound:
“Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.”
He’s gotta stand tall.
You know a man can’t crawl.
But he knows when he tells lies
And we hear ‘em all the time,
He’s not a man at all.
Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
He dies each time
He hears this sound:
“Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.”
When you see him shed a tear
And you know it’s not sincere,
Don’tcha think it’s kinda sad
That he’s acting oh so bad,
But why would Andy care?
Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
He dies each time
He hears this sound:
“Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.
That’s Andy’s clown.
That’s Andy’s clown.”
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 5:06 am #
Are you blind, assclown? Or is that pure stupid?
Comment by donald on 1/12 @ 6:58 am #
Well now, I think this important thing we’ve established here is that Mrs. Palin did indeed birth Trig. I would now hope that Assclown, Parsnip, and Thor would run on over to FDL, KOS, and Gay boy’s sites and spread the word. They got CRED over there you know.
Comment by donald on 1/12 @ 7:00 am #
Cause they’re thinkers and all. I believe we can now deem this thread a success.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 7:11 am #
The stupid it burns. Leak or gush (PROM), the baby isn’t in IMMINENT DANGER. Many women have a total gush, and don’t start labor for several hours if not the next day or so. Someone’s watched too many Hollywood versions of labor.
BTW, my water has broken with two of my 5 deliveries. Neither time was I in labor. The first time I needed to be induced to get labor going (and the second was a section, so who knows. )
Of course, the exception is when your water breaks during labor, but this obviously wasn’t the case.
Comment by Sigmund Schadenfreude on 1/12 @ 10:36 am #
Ah yes, assclown is the wishful dilletante that the internet makes an expert on anything!
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 10:41 am #
I asked Dr. Mrs. DarthRove.
The doctor.
The board-certified, emergency medicine specialist, honest-to-goodness practicing-for-15-years and-has-had-a-real-live-baby from-her-real-live-vagina doctor.
After describing the situation, her response was, “Fmeh, whatever.”
Feel free to bring Teh Outrage!!!!11!!111!!
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/12 @ 10:47 am #
B-B-But DarthRove…
Dr. MrsDarthRove’s assessment flies in the face of assclowns wiki-knowledge!1!!1!!eleventy
How can that be? How can a mere 15 years professional experience, as well as direct personal experience, outweigh that gained by skimming an internet essay..?
I mean, with knowledge like that, assclown may sit on your state’s liscencing board!
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 10:57 am #
nd “imminent danger†isn’t the standard that determines if someone should go to the hospital. A woman on her 5th kid who ruptures her membranes will usually go into labor and deliver in a matter of hours. Fact.
And yet … she didn’t! FACT. HOW could that possibly be?
And, I wrote PROM, because I meant PROM. I was unaware she was preterm. Basically because the whole Trig Fetish is simply bizarre.
Regardless, she was leaking slowly. You are aware, yes, that amniotic fluid is replenished, yes? There have been women who had a slow leak for months.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/12 @ 11:00 am #
You are aware, yes, that amniotic fluid is replenished, yes?
I seem to recall that a big portion of it is urine, once the baby’s kidneys start working.
I could be wrong, though. Unlike the Trig Truther brigade, I’m not an ob-gyne.
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 11:02 am #
Sayeth assclown: “A woman on her 5th kid who ruptures her membranes will usually go into labor and deliver in a matter of hours. Fact.”
Linketh assclown:
The Enduring Power of Stupid
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/12 @ 11:10 am #
Well Pablo, at least that kid has his stick-to-it-ness going for him/her…
But, alas, sticking with stupidity and closed minded-ness is no way to go through life…
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/12 @ 11:30 am #
50% of all remaining pregnancies deliver each subsequent week after PPROM.
Oooh! Flashback to Calculus I!
We are given that the half-life is 1 week (168 hours), so
N(t) = N0(0.5)^(t/168)
If we set N0 to 1 (100% will still be pregnant at time 0), we get:
N(t) = (0.5)^(t/168)
Let’s say we have a three hour flight.
We get:
N(t) = (0.5)^(3/168) = 0.988
98.8% of the women will still be pregnant after the flight.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 11:34 am #
I was told there would be no math on this blog.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/12 @ 11:36 am #
Think of PW as a first-rate university education without the tuition, Carin. :-)
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 11:48 am #
REally, what’s the knowledge and experience of an actual DOCTOR compared to someone with madd google skillz.
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 11:49 am #
Yeah, ‘coz they don’t know anything about what’s, like, an EMERGENCY or not.
So, what’s the proper paddle voltage you use to shock a flatline, chuckles?
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 11:51 am #
Only idiots.
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 11:54 am #
And just to stop you googling, it’s a trick question. You don’t shock a flatline. Flatline = dead. Despite what you see on TV.
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 12:00 pm #
So what was your bad ER experience? You went in for a bad cold and got ticked that the antibiotics you demanded they prescribe despite the fact they won’t work didn’t work right away?
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 12:04 pm #
I know you are, but what am I?
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 12:05 pm #
Yeah, like “within a week.” Not, as you stated to be FACT, a matter of hours.
And by “my algorithm”, you mean the article that YOU linked to. Gotcha.
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 12:09 pm #
I think you’re a fucking moron who ought to read the first sentence of the second paragraph I quoted, because it’s the part you seem to think I “chose to omit”.
The Enduring Power of Stupid
Comment by Sdferr on 1/12 @ 12:09 pm #
Still trying to make that putt you missed? Wow. Actual outcomes won’t do. Must. Have. Fairies.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 12:15 pm #
Personally, after giving birth to four kids, getting ready to have my fifth, I would have been not upset at all to give birth on a plane. For the vast majority of births, the OB doc just catches anyway.
Regarding the facts – has it been determined that it was a rupture or merely a leak? What do the facts support? It is claimed to be a leak, and thus all your mad google skillz are for naught, because she didn’t have PPROM.
In addition, exactly what WEEK of development did she deliver? It states the baby was a month early, but PPROM isn’t that first “P” unless it’s before 37 weeks, which is awfully close to a month early. AFter that 37 mark, it’s merely PROM.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 12:18 pm #
If I had a small leak? I would go home. Fact. If I was past 37 week mark, I would be ok having a baby w/o a doctor present, as would many other sensible women in this country who realize how doctors and hospitals have over-medicalized the entire L & D experience. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Sarah was of a similar mindset.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/12 @ 12:20 pm #
PRAM? Try zapping it.
Comment by DarthRove on 1/12 @ 12:26 pm #
Ooooh, Zing. Ouch.
I should rely on wiki and gooooogle I guess. Screw that whole “able to converse intelligently with people what know a whole lot more about me in certain disciplines” thing.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/12 @ 12:27 pm #
Who’s blocking your comments?
Comment by Sdferr on 1/12 @ 12:28 pm #
Fairies Dan, fairies.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 12:33 pm #
There most certainly is a difference. My sister’s friend leaked from her second trimester on. I’ve had a leak, and I’ve had a complete rupture. If you think there’s no difference, well then it’s a shame you were there to help me clean up the rupture.
95% will start labor w/in 24 hrs— yea, so wha?. Labor- for even women on their fifth – takes several hours.
I’m not twisting anything, and you have no clue regarding my ideas on birthing, because this isn’t a birthing board.
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 1:00 pm #
Someone is awfully concerned about the Palin vagina and it’s healthy output. Obsessed, you might say.
I wonder why.
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 1:02 pm #
Yeah, yeah, Carin. Assclown has Google and all you have is 5 kids! And Google. What do you know about pregnancy, labor and delivery? :-P
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 1:07 pm #
Yea, I suppose it’s time for me to post my mea culpa….
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/12 @ 1:18 pm #
she didn’t have PPROM
So she didn’t even have the condition that, if she had had it, would’ve produced a whopping 1.2% chance of going into labor on the flight?
Assmaggot’s taking a severe beating here.
Comment by thor on 1/12 @ 1:23 pm #
Comment by McGehee on 1/12 @ 2:01 pm #
I think he TrollHammered himself.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 1/12 @ 2:13 pm #
Just for giggles, what percentage chance would have been low enough for her to fly and for you not to consider her reckless?
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 3:22 pm #
Please quote that which you think says that. It does not.
Classy. And…oh, what’s the word? Oh, wrong.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/12 @ 5:16 pm #
FALSE DICHOTOMY BITCHES!!!
gawd, like he needs any other response. or did he answer Pablo’s question from way back and I missed it?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/12 @ 5:16 pm #
oh, and Carin is, apparently, a mutant.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 6:15 pm #
Carin, there is no difference. If you have a leak or you have a rupture, labor may proceed quickly and the baby and mother are at a high risk for infection.
Wrong … again. Boy, is this getting old.
And, risk of infection doesn’t set in until 24 hours AFTER the rupture.
Comment by Blind Howling Moonbat on 1/12 @ 6:18 pm #
Man, you women are so stupid, I can’t believe any of you really managed to have children of your own.
Comment by Carin on 1/12 @ 6:20 pm #
I’m glad you had 4 kids, and I think you are lying out of your ass about choosing to take the flight. Liar.
Five kids, and I’m not lying. Obviously I’ve never been in that situation, but I have refused to go to the hospital when the doc wanted me to. I hid in my house for an entire weekend when my OB wanted me show up for an inducement when I was a week overdue. You have no clue about my attitudes regarding labor/birth. There is nothing dangerous about PROM. And, usually it’s bad to go to the hospital because the doctors WILL heavy-hand you into inducing because you (almost always) won’t be in labor or it will be proressiving too slowly to accomodate the OB’s weekend golf game.
Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 7:02 pm #
Well, that’s what assclown’s link says. But he knows better. Labor and infection in a matter of hours, I tells ya!!!