One reason racism persists is that many people imagine they would respond strongly to a racist act but actually respond with indifference, a new study led by York University shows.
The research examines why acts of blatant racism against blacks still occur with alarming regularity, even though being labeled as a racist in modern society has become a powerful stigma.“People do not think of themselves as prejudiced, and they predict that they would be very upset by a racist act and would take action,” said lead author Kerry Kawakami, a psychology professor in York’s Faculty of Health. “However, we found that their responses are much more muted than they expect when they are actually faced with an overtly racist comment.”
No word on what happens when the roles are reversed; wouldn’t be prudent.
Comment by CFB on 1/8 @ 9:36 pm #
I used to teach high school English in Miami. The two most racist comments ever said in my presence happened during that time, both of them — I’m sad to say — were perpetrated by black boys/men.
The first racist comment occurred when I was teasing one of my students, a light-skinned young black who was born in the British Virgin Islands. He fancied himself something of a rapper. One day in my calssroom, overhearing a negative comment he made about the rapper Bobby Brown, I said, “You’re just jealous because Bobby Brown is right out of high school and is such a success.” My student responded, “I could never be jealous of Bobby Brown because he’s darker than I am.”
The second racist comment occurred one day when I complimented another young man in my 10th grade class on how nice he looked in his red shirt. His response was, “My momma doesn’t like me to wear red. She says it makes me look too dark.”
White people are not hung up on the various shades of black of the negroid race. Black people, however, manifestly are.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 1/8 @ 9:40 pm #
I have to deal with rude teenagers on a regular basis. The other day, one of them called me the N-word. I suppressed an urge to say that there was only one of those here, and it wasn’t me.
Comment by dicentra on 1/8 @ 9:51 pm #
Those who actually experienced the event were less distressed and were as willing to work with the person who made racist comments as someone who did not.
Dovidio argues that participants who witness racism were much less willing to pay the emotional cost of confronting a racist than they thought they would be. That in turn means the racist pays less of a cost in social ostracism by expressing bias, he said.
Well, yeah. If you’re dealing with a real-live bigot, better not mix it up with him or who knows if he’ll shiv ya right there in front of God and everyone.
It is interesting that they test this for racism but not for, say, class snobbery. Or other slights of equal weight.
CFB: I saw this same thing in Colombia. I had thought that because all the races were more or less interbred, the binary black/white thing we have going in the U.S. wouldn’t be around, because how are you going to be prejudiced against Africans if you’re grampa was one?
I was right: They went by degree of darkness, unless you were pure Indian, in which case you were at the very bottom of the totem pole. Being white, I was sometimes deferred to by those who saw me as socially superior. Creeped me out but good.
It’s true what they say: If we woke up tomorrow morning to find that all our current differences had been erased, we’d find nine more ways to divide ourselves up before breakfast.
Comment by dre on 1/8 @ 9:58 pm #
“The research examines why acts of blatant racism against blacks still occur with alarming regularity”
The Koreans in South Central were unavailable for comment.
Comment by Sticky B on 1/8 @ 10:05 pm #
I play card with two brothers who are black. Which I guess makes them brothers on two levels, but I digress. They constantly call each other and all of the rest of us the N-word. We actually kinda had a lot fun with it. Until we all went out to Vegas one year and they both sat down at a black jack table with a black woman as the dealer and started in on our regular schtick. She wasn’t amused. Had us all removed by security even though the two black men were the only ones who used the slur. Guilt by association I guess.
Comment by panther girl on 1/8 @ 11:04 pm #
My dad lives in a small town down south. Very overtly racist attitudes. Throwing the N-word around and meaning it. My dad, who has always been quite prejudiced as well, did some work in Nigeria for months at a time on several occasions. One time, he brought back a Nigerian bride who was much darker than any of the locals (although, it must be said, a good 25 years his junior). The reaction was interesting. His brother quit speaking to him. But most of the other folks had no problem with his marriage – even though she’s darker (which is definitely “bad” in their eyes). He even managed to avoid a tussle with some good ol’ boys who stopped them in the truck together. Turns out that since she’s Nigerian instead of American, its okay that she’s black. Glad I don’t live in that culture b/c I don’t have the patience to figure it out. (That, and all the men would look at me funny when I’d say something; guess I was speaking out of turn.)
Comment by Celtic Dragon on 1/8 @ 11:32 pm #
I’ve found, by dating several African-American women, that skin tone is VERY important. Which confused me a little, since my preference was for darker skinned women, that they were looked down on by their families. The level of, for want of a better word, racism, was mind-blowing…
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/8 @ 11:40 pm #
“In the study, students who think they are waiting for an experiment to begin are exposed to racism…The first group watched a black man, posing as a fellow participant, slightly bump a white confederate also posing as a participant…”
Now I’m not going to say that no racism was revealed in the study, but I do have some questions about the charade…
What kind of experiment were they allegedly waiting to do? If it was something delicate, then maybe some people chose to work the racist, regardless, rather than the “bumper” who had demonstrated what could be percieved as reckless or clumsy behavior; that may effect the success of their mutual task, or force them to take more of the responsibility on…
Or perhaps there are some elements of peoples desire not to have their personal space invaded, as the “bumper” had demonstrated a willingness to do. Although the racist was possibly vile about his prejudice, he wasn’t touching them…
Not excusin’, just speculatin’…
“…the racist pays less of a cost in social ostracism by expressing bias…”
You mean like Messers. Farrakhan or Wright? I’m with Dan on this; we wouldn’t even consider the experiment with a reversal of racial roles…
But, this is more of the multi-cultural mindset of identity politics at work. One must already take most sociological studies involving race, done by academics, with a large helping of salt. But those done in the multi-culti UK..?
As they say in Brooklyn; fuhgeddabowdit!
Comment by Pal2Pal (Sara) on 1/9 @ 1:04 am #
I am sick to death of the whining about racism. I have never seen anything, not even during the race riots of the sixties, that is anywhere near as bad as the antisemitism on display around this country right now. It is sickening. The pictures at Atlas Shrugs break my heart. So much hatred and viciousness on display.
Most of what people call racism nowadays is just crudeness rather than racism. Being lewd and crude is the in thing these days, so I’m told by the younger generation around me.
Comment by Angie on 1/9 @ 1:21 am #
No word on what happens when the roles are reversed Thank you! I’m just glad I’m not the only one with this thought. The Bay Area is rampant with race issues right now over what looks like a horrible accident. Just seems as tho some want to find a reason to claim it’s a race issue over looking at the facts.
Comment by Pal2Pal (Sara) on 1/9 @ 1:24 am #
There are two protected groups in this country today, blacks and gays. You are forced to like every one of them, whether they are total jerks or outstanding people. I meet lots of white people I would never invite into my home or socialize with just because I don’t hit it off with them, we have nothing in common, or because they are total a@@holes, but you aren’t allowed that choice if a gay or black is involved. And, in my own experience, the intolerance/bigotry comes at me not from me and I don’t see why I should make the extra effort if the other side isn’t interested. For instance, if you think Barack Obama is a total putz, it cannot be because he is a total putz and empty suit, no, you are a racist.
When I was the guardian of a young black teenager, I overheard a friend of his say he should get out of our house because I was such a racist. The young man asked why? I was shocked when I heard that I was a racist because I didn’t allow gangsta rap in the house and I made him speak “white man’s English” rather than jive talk. To my Ward’s credit, he told his friend that because of my constant attention (nagging) he was getting straight As in school and had 3 letters of intent from 3 very good universities and that he had no intention of being a loser like him.
Comment by B Moe on 1/9 @ 7:33 am #
….even though being labeled as a racist in modern society has become a powerful stigma.
It used to carry a powerful stigma, now it is routine.
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 1/9 @ 7:42 am #
#12 – True, the “labeled” part has been worn out by over-use in situations where it is not warranted. As Jeff (is he ever going to return here?!)has often pointed out – words can be corrupted away from original meaning. A pity that the same label is flung at someone who disagrees with a policy decision the same as a group like the Aryan Nation.
Comment by BJTexs on 1/9 @ 8:24 am #
Leave to some media outlet to find the results of an obscure, contrived study from a backwater University (in BC fer cryin’ out loud) and generate traffic by using the narrowly defined results to proclaim TEH RACISM STILL EXISTS!!!
Comment by Cowboy on 1/9 @ 8:28 am #
It’s true what they say: If we woke up tomorrow morning to find that all our current differences had been erased, we’d find nine more ways to divide ourselves up before breakfast.
So true, dicentra. I was raised in Montana and until my family moved to Indiana, had never experienced racism against blacks or anti-semitism…not because there were no racists in Montana, but because there were no African-Americans or Jews!
Of course, the racism against the local Blackfoot Indians was palpable. Also, though I had never heard a “Polish” joke until I moved to the midwest, I was raised on a steady diet of jokes about South Dakotans.
Really.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 8:30 am #
This probably makes it pretty hard to watch Kings of Comedy.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 8:33 am #
The event was probably one of those stealth things that most people don’t know is racist. At this point, I think it would be a lot easier if they just gave us a list of things that aren’t racist – that being shorter than the list of things that are.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 8:41 am #
Makework.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 8:51 am #
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 1/9 @ 7:42 am #
MAj, what’s the story of race in the armed forces? Does army green, or Marine Red and Gold, trump skin color?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/9 @ 8:52 am #
Well, there’s your problem. Dovidio should try to be less prejudiced!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/9 @ 8:57 am #
Actually, JHoward, it sounds to me like they found exactly the results they were looking for. The “expert on people’s ability to predict their future emotional responses” found that (other) people are so good at predicting their future emotional responses, and the “expert on prejudice” found prejudice.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/9 @ 8:57 am #
“are not so good”
PIMF
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 9:01 am #
Nothing trumps being a freakin moron. I have met racists of both black and white persuasion in the military. When you actually meet a real racist, not just someone that is not PC, but someone who actually will say “I hate all white people” or vice versa, it is pretty disgusting. Ignorant as hell too. The term is being defined down to just making insensitive comments now.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 9:04 am #
I had one of my old sergeants take me around and point out racists to me. I didn’t believe him when he said this other sergeant was a racist. He told me to just go up to him during detail and slip in a comment or say something to give him an opening to say something racist. Within 10 seconds the guy starts ranting how they are good for nothing but moving lawn furniture. It made me physically ill listening to it.
The other side of the coin we had some perennial E4 guy with a huge chip on his shoulder from Alabama who literally hated all white people. He would tell you. I had to live with the guy too. Fun stuff.
Comment by bigbooner on 1/9 @ 9:10 am #
Not sure this study takes into account the “I don’t want to get involved or I shouldn’t judge other people” thing. Just watch any group dynamic where someone is doing something somewhat irregular. People will just ignore it. Don’t want no part of it. Later on they might say something but most people just go about their business. Then they play the “this is what I shoulda said” game.
Comment by TheGeezer on 1/9 @ 9:47 am #
Since hoomins are depraved as a result of deprivation (we’re talking Grace here, not socioeconomic status), is it any wonder that racism seems perpetual, universal, ubiquitous, contradictory, and hateful? The wired thing is, why is lighter-colored better, most of the time? Would being clear be the best of all? Yuck…you’d see all those guts…
Comment by TheGeezer on 1/9 @ 9:48 am #
wired = wierd.
Although we may be wired that way, being depraved and all…
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 9:54 am #
“Since hoomins are depraved as a result of deprivation (we’re talking Grace here, not socioeconomic status), is it any wonder that racism seems perpetual, universal, ubiquitous, contradictory, and hateful?”
Perhaps, but racism isn’t racism anymore. If you’re white, simply wanting to be left alone qualifies as racism. Lefties think that they have a mandate to bother people in the interests of what they perceive to be justice – “teachable moments” and such.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 9:59 am #
Well if 97% of white people voted for the white guy in the election I am sure the howls of “Teh Racist!!!!!” would be heard around the world.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 10:01 am #
They did that last time, because of the racism. Also, approximately half of all Democrats are sexist.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 1/9 @ 10:24 am #
First time I ever experience racism was in elementary school. Two black kids were harassing this Polish kid (as in, he was from Poland and had escaped from behind the Iron Curtain with his family) from my neighborhood, poking at him and kicking his backpack and promising to “kick his little white tail”. They did this surrounded by at least 7-10 other white kids, including me, who did absolutely nothing.
A week before, I had seen these same two young gents sticking their heads out the window of our bus, shouting “Bigots!” I didn’t even know what a bigot was.
Since then, I’ve found the allure of race grievance industry quite easy to resist.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 10:31 am #
All these comments, and no dishonest ones from par-gimp or “thor” (now there’s an aryan term) yet? (Knock on desk)
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 10:36 am #
Kawakami led the study at York with graduate student Francine Karmali. University of British Columbia professor Elizabeth Dunn, an expert on people’s ability to predict their future emotional responses, and Yale University professor John Dovidio, an expert on prejudice, are co-authors.
Makework.
When I was in Berkeley, I would see these nasty little leftists driving around in their Volvos and Subarus with bumper sticker slogans like “If you think education is expensive try ignorance!” And yet these “bogus studies” professors, pushing misinformation and “non-critical” thinking, are promoting something *worse* than ignorance.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 10:38 am #
Now why the hell would you go and do that?
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 10:44 am #
What’s George “Macaca” Allen up to these days, Curm?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 10:45 am #
You suck Curm.
Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 10:46 am #
“I have never seen anything, not even during the race riots of the sixties, that is anywhere near as bad as the antisemitism on display around this country right now.”
Is it worse than the anti-semitism displayed around the country during hte sixties? Like, say, by the terrorists that killed jewish civil rights workers in the south?
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/9 @ 10:48 am #
I must quibble with the term, “racist act” used in the story. To me, a “racist act” is when you don’t hire, sell to, rent to, etc. a person due to their ethnicity or color. If this occured in my presence, I would scream about it to high heaven. Descrimination is wrong and in most cases, illegal.
But if what they are objecting to is merely “racial slurs” such as use of the “N” word, I am not about to walk around policing every fool that insults, blacks, jews, asians, etc. I just don’t have the time or the inclination. Besides, we supposedly have free speech in this country, whether it’s stupid speech is beside the point.
I really believe the hidden message here is that whites are bad because if don’t call everyone out in public for politically incorrect
infractions. Good little Obama-bots should!
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 10:50 am #
Way to illustrate the point, gimp! Did you know the term “clowning” is “racist” too? Now go fellate Raul, since Fidel is not around, unless you are really into political necrophilia too…
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 10:50 am #
Sorry, Pink, I guess I was “trolling”…
Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 10:51 am #
“I must quibble with the term, “racist act†used in the story. To me, a “racist act†is when you don’t hire, sell to, rent to, etc. a person due to their ethnicity or color.”
Then we have complications like Ledbetter, where the discriminatory act was deciding to pay her less than men. The ongoing fact that she’s payed less than men wasn’t enough for the supreme court.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 10:52 am #
If you want to troll by all means feel free. Just do me a favor and find out what craphole of the web parsnips and thor use when they want to talk to people of like mind and then troll the hell out of it. I would say DK but you would get banned pretty quickly. Maybe DemUnderground.
Comment by HeatherRadish on 1/9 @ 10:55 am #
Did this Ledbetter woman ever prove that the men weren’t doing more/better work? Like actually prove it with numbers and evidence?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 10:55 am #
“Is it worse than the anti-semitism displayed around the country during hte sixties? Like, say, by the terrorists that killed jewish civil rights workers in the south?”
The Democrats?
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 10:56 am #
You didn’t actually have to *try* ignorance, it was only a bumper sticker.
Fuckin’ dumb fuckin’ fuck.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 10:57 am #
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 10:56 am #
That’s nice, thor, now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 10:58 am #
Curm, really man way to go!!!11!!!!!
Comment by the other Ken on 1/9 @ 10:59 am #
I’m just trying to figure out if I’m more or less racister than I thought. (Puts finger up to lips and knits brow) hmmmmmmmmm.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 10:59 am #
Here’s a bumper sticker, thor:
“Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide.â€Â
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:00 am #
Here’s a bumper sticker, thor:
“I took an IQ test and the results were negative.”
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:00 am #
Did this Ledbetter woman ever prove that the men weren’t doing more/better work? Like actually prove it with numbers and evidence?
Of course not. These people have invented a made up standard called “comparable worth” with has nothing to do with actual market demand.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:00 am #
More thor’s bumper stickers:
“Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check?”
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:00 am #
Pink: Remind me to knock on that desk wood a bit harder. I am chagrined.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:01 am #
“Reality? That’s where the pizza delivery guy comes from!”
-the back of thor’s bicycle
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 11:01 am #
7.2% unemployment rate.
What a proud day for Republicans everywhere!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:02 am #
thor loves this one:
“Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.”
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:02 am #
And again:
“I souport publik edekasion”
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 11:03 am #
“Did this Ledbetter woman ever prove that the men weren’t doing more/better work? Like actually prove it with numbers and evidence?”
The Interweb Harpies (pandagon/feministe, etc.) claim that her performance reviews matched those of her peers in the same job. I suppose the question then would be – did the performance reviews indicate that she was doing a good job “for a girl?”
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 11:03 am #
Parsnip, it’s been like that (actually worse) in Detroit ever since Democrats starting running the town! Michigan’s unemployment has been going up ever since Jenny Granholm’s been gov!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:06 am #
“What a proud day for Republicans everywhere!”
Yeah, because we have the Democrats around who caused the meltdown.
Barney Fwank, pwease call your office.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/9 @ 11:06 am #
I wonder if thor knows anything about the racist sockpuppeting kerfuffle over on the Team Sarah site that is talked about on Red State. It was originated by the left to make Palin look bad. Thor has mentioned several times he frequents the site and he’s got IP’s to spare.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:06 am #
Now pargimp, stay on topic. But since you insist, I live in a state run by Demunist Commiecrats and a phony RINO “Governator”. I’m waiting for Unemployment to hit 12%.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:07 am #
“When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I’m beginning to believe it.”
-Clarence Darrow
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 11:09 am #
because we have the Democrats around who caused the meltdown.
Haha, too bad that little lie is only believed by the dumbest of Redumblicans.
Every Republican presidential candidate for the next 50 years is gonna have Bush hanging around their necks.
What a pity.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 11:13 am #
Every Demorat
Republicanpresidential candidate for the next 50 years is gonna have James Earl ObamaBushhanging around their necks.Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 11:14 am #
Oh, employement is 21% in Detroit!
Comment by ThomasD on 1/9 @ 11:14 am #
Of course, the racism against the local Blackfoot Indians was palpable. Also, though I had never heard a “Polish†joke until I moved to the midwest, I was raised on a steady diet of jokes about South Dakotans.
I spent a couple years on the Blackfeet Res, and witnessed/experienced overt racism from every conceivable angle.
Local C-store clerk in cut Bank treating the customer ahead of me (visibly Indian)like dirt, while treating me just fine. Strangely enough that white looking clerk could have been an enrolled tribal member for all anybody knew – a lot of members are very mixed and have been for generations – and she still would be hating on the dark skinned people.
A good friend who related to me how he caught serious grief from his mother when he, pure Blackfeet, chose to marry an enrolled member of the Rocky Boys Res. Mom didn’t come around to the arrangement until she saw the first grandchild.
Me, average white boy, having total strangers (Tribal) spit on the ground as I walked past. This was routine, and there were a few no-go spots in town but otherwise non-natives are actually safer on the Res than locals – for whom life can be very very rough.
Hearing conversations among ostensibly highly educated Indians on who was a ‘real’ Indian and who was a wannabe.
A friend (white) with two children, one a fair skinned daughter who had to go to school in Cut Bank because going to school in Browning would have been near suicidal, and a son who was dark haired and dark skinned to the point that pretty much everyone who didn’t actually know him assumed he was indian, even though he was not, and who graduated from Browning HS.
Although, most of the jokes I heard were about North Dakotans. The best summation of my years out west would be that Washingtonians joke about Idahoans, Idahoans joke about Montanans, Montanans joke about North Dakotans, and North Dakotans have no sense of humor.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:14 am #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 11:09 am #
because we have the Democrats around who caused the meltdown.
Haha, too bad that little lie is only believed by the dumbest of Redumblicans.”
The President tried several times to stop the coming meltdown alpo, and the Demoncrats threatened to filibuster any attempt at corrective legislation.
Take that fact, fold it until it’s all corners, and shove it up your ass, alpo, because that’s the only way reality can impinge on your oh so delicious fantasy life.
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 11:15 am #
Alaska?
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 11:15 am #
Snippy, have you EVER read a history book? I mean, of course, besides that Howard Zinn piece of crap…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:16 am #
#Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 11:15 am #
That’s nice, thor, now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 11:17 am #
The President tried several times to stop the coming meltdown alpo, and the Demoncrats threatened to filibuster any attempt at corrective legislation.
I think the greatest triumph of the rich crooks who run the Republican party was getting minimum wage lapdogs like No Brain to defend them even when they’re openly looting America.
Kudos to you, Wall Street.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:17 am #
Haha, too bad that little lie is only believed by the dumbest of Redumblicans.
Gimp, go extort and threaten the banks into making another Affirmative Action Loan. Now that Fannie and Freddie are not there to cover it, they would rather hire lawyers and / or close up. Yes, Gimp, actions have consequences; given derivatives, these consequences are exponential.
Thne again, Gimp doesn’t do the extorting, he just performs body worship on those who do….
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:17 am #
#Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 11:17 am #
Start folding, snippy. Reality awaits.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 11:18 am #
O’Brain – I’ve made the ultimate sacrifice and switched over to Firefox today. Trollhammer is a wonderful thing…
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:18 am #
Snippy, have you EVER read a history book? I mean, of course, besides that Howard Zinn piece of crap…
He’s done more to Howard Zinn than just read his books…
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/9 @ 11:18 am #
thor – Know anything about the Team Sarah sockpuppeting kerfuffle?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 11:21 am #
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 11:18 am #
I use it, too, Carin, and have TrollHammer installed.
I just refuse to give an inch to the barbarians.
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 11:25 am #
21%! Wow, sounds like you have a lot of company there in Detroit, Carin.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/9 @ 11:25 am #
thor – I think Darleen should compare IP’s to the ones listed in the posts over there. What do you think?
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 11:33 am #
If you want thor you’ll only get him on PW. I’m exclusive. Besides, why the fuck would I want to visit a website filled with office cleaning ladies and God-barking hags!
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 11:35 am #
Here in the bluest state in the union, we’re at 9.3%. Thank God
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 1/9 @ 11:35 am #
Yeah, these morons often get not liking someone’s content of their character (HT Martin Luther King, Jr.) mixed up with racism. Or confuse culture with race. Of course, there is stil racism around. In every corner of the globe, but the maufactured rage drones still need jobs, so they perpetuate this stuff. Jeff does a good job of trying to undo their damage. We just need more Jeffs and hope common sense eventually wins out.
One of my pet peeves is when the hypersensitive lefty hears the word “ghetto” and reflexively thinks black. This is the confuzzling of culture with race. I’m not sure what these people would have done throughout history in the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Or the Irish ghettos of the new world. Or any other historical ghetto. Not all blacks live in the ghetto and not all ghetto dwellers are black. But it’s simple and if there’s one thing we know, it’s that the reflexive left love simplicity. It’s easy on their brains and satisfies their hearts.
Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 11:36 am #
“Did this Ledbetter woman ever prove that the men weren’t doing more/better work? Like actually prove it with numbers and evidence?”
She did win her case at trial. No idea how well payed the lawyers that lost for goodyear were. Or whether they were men or women.
But this is a supreme court case, so even if “this Ledbetter woman” didn’t prove it, someone else, male or female, that did, would still have the same problem.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/9 @ 11:41 am #
“If you want thor you’ll only get him on PW.”
Love the third person references.
Suck my sphincter stumblebum.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 11:43 am #
Which is that you have to pursue such claims in a timely fashion. Ohnoes! American jurisprudence is suddenly over. Bummer.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/9 @ 11:45 am #
Nipply could well be a shared troll between Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky for all we know.
Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 11:50 am #
“Which is that you have to pursue such claims in a timely fashion.”
The problem, as it ties to this thread, is that the discriminatory act is not your continuing unequal pay, it’s the decision to pay unequally. So all those people who can sit silently as discrimination occurs, be they Native or male or black or whatever, only have to sit silent as unequal pay is set, not as it is payed.
Comment by ginsocal on 1/9 @ 11:51 am #
I would point out, for shitstain’s edification, that the economic mess coincided with the Democratic takeover of Congress. No Republicans were involved, fuckwit.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 11:55 am #
“I think the greatest triumph of the rich crooks” Soros, Madoff, Schumer, Blago, are Demorats.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 11:56 am #
Nipply could well be a shared troll between Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky for all we know.
“Zed” Chomsky: Bring out the Gimp.
“Maynard” Zinn: Gimp’s sleeping.
“Zed” Chomsky: Well, I guess you’re gonna have to go wake him up now, won’t you?
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 11:57 am #
“So all those people who can sit silently as discrimination occurs”
Some slaves are worth more than other slaves. Go ask the Masters running the Demorat plantation.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/9 @ 12:00 pm #
If we can have a racist hurricane then anything is possible.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 12:04 pm #
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 12:15 pm #
Well there’s all the proof you need! Bernie Madoff was actually a New Yorker! OMG!
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 1/9 @ 12:20 pm #
“Or the Irish ghettos of the new world.”
Generally, they make Oscar-winning movies about them, with the Dropkick Murphy’s on the soundtrack.
“Ghetto” is one of those words that has been bled down to one meaning as part of our ongoing march to Newspeak. For most of American history the black experience was utterly divorced from the ghetto. Never mind, we can’t remember back that far, and if we did, we dare not correct the poor sod we’ve Othered who knows it no other way. And Progress marches on!
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 1/9 @ 12:24 pm #
“Well there’s all the proof you need! Bernie Madoff was actually a New Yorker! OMG!”
Yeah, because if you live in New York, you’ve only got one option of politicians to give your money to. The fact that he gave cash to 88% of his contributions to Dumbocrats doesn’t prove that he is one. Preposterous. Hilarious.
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 1/9 @ 12:34 pm #
#19 – mostly. Awfully hard to cling to a bigoted worldview when you have people of every type in every kind of position and rank. Performance is awfully easy to see in wartime too. A few knuckleheads do exist, but they tend not to do so well as far as advancement, etc.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 1/9 @ 12:38 pm #
Yeah, they haven’t made much mention of madoff’s allegiances have they? Shocka! The honest dems out there admit that the big moneyed power brokers aren’t just republicans. That stereotype is only used by the daft apparatchiks anymore.
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/9 @ 12:43 pm #
Cowboy,
I spent some time growing up in Bozeman, MT and I remember the jokes being about North Dakotans and not South Dakotans, but it was a long time ago.
Anyway, I remember my Jr High Earth Sciences Teacher loved ND jokes more than life itself. I was not a getting a good grade in his class and was on the verge of failing but every Semester He had a big project that could make or break your grade. Needless to say I was determined to do well on this project but of course, I procrastinated to the end. Road to hell and all that.
The project was to find 25 different plant seeds tack them on a big piece of poster board and label what kind of plant they were for and a little bit about each plant. I was thinking that is would be easy to find 25 seeds. Not so much. I had 19 and I needed at least 20 to get the grade I needed to pass his class. There I was the night before the damn thing was due, searching our yard for the 20th seed with no luck. I spent the entire evening beating myself up for waiting until the last minute. If I just would have started one day before! The next morning I had this brick of dread in the pit of my stomach and could barely eat my breakfast of Cheerios. It was that breakfast of cheerios that saved me though. I had an epiphany! I quickly grabbed my sad looking poster board, scotch taped a Cheerio on it and I labeled it a “North Dakotan Donut Seed”. It was a hit. I should have only received a C+ for the project but the Teacher loved the ND joke so much he gave me a solid B.
So, you know, prejudices are good for something I guess.
There was a Jewish kid in my neighborhood though and everybody liked him. He had a dog that had lost one of its front legs chasing cars. It was really a good time to watch that dog chase cars with only three legs as it was surprisingly fast. He also had a really big nose and people made fun of him for it but not because he was Jewish. He was a very good basketball player so we always said that he had a nose for the game. We called him “nose guard”. He liked the nick names and he handed out a few himself. He called me “road flare” after an unfortunate fireworks accident. Is it considered racism to make fun of a physical feature that is common among a particular ethnic group? My folks were both from the south so I was very acquainted with what racism was but I did not think of the other kids clowning on his nose as racism and I don’t think he did either. Who gets to make that call?
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 12:48 pm #
“Well there’s all the proof you need! Bernie Madoff was actually a New Yorker!”
What about Penny Pritzker and Herb Sandler and his wife Marion? more Demorats.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 12:52 pm #
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Comment by John Cheshire on 1/9 @ 1:00 pm #
“The best summation of my years out west would be that Washingtonians joke about Idahoans, Idahoans joke about Montanans, Montanans joke about North Dakotans, and North Dakotans have no sense of humor.”
And no donuts.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 1:00 pm #
It’s sad when the facts don’t fit the narrative. Corrupt rich folks are supposed to be conservative.
Comment by MarkD on 1/9 @ 1:08 pm #
The problem with the equal pay fallacy is that it is logically inconsistant. If I can pay women less money for the same work, why would I hire men?
It isn’t like I won’t outsource a job to India to save money if I can.
We evil capitalists will do anything for a buck, so why not hire all women and pocket the savings?
Comment by Cave Bear on 1/9 @ 1:10 pm #
Careful, Mark. You start making too much sense, meya’s head might explode.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/9 @ 1:15 pm #
Oh that’s an easy peasy MarkD. Just shows how much you dislike teh womens that you’re willing to suffer a self-induced — therefore unnecessary — pain in order to do greater harm to them! Now there’s an altruism teh patriarchy can get behind. :-)
Comment by Salt Lick on 1/9 @ 1:17 pm #
…an overtly racist comment.â€Â
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity,” he said. “But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know. . .there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.”
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 1:20 pm #
Yeah, Mark, a 30% reduction in payroll costs?
Men are now 2nd class citizens…..
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 1:21 pm #
#Comment by Salt Lick on 1/9 @ 1:17 pm #
““The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity,†he said. “But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know. . .there’s a reaction in her…”
Didn’t The Revvvvvrrrrruuuuuunnnnnd Jackson say the same thing?
Comment by Cowboy on 1/9 @ 1:22 pm #
Missoula, ThomasD–you?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 1:25 pm #
“The problem with the equal pay fallacy is that it is logically inconsistant. If I can pay women less money for the same work, why would I hire men?”
Because of the locker room towel slapping and old boy’s network of really important business conducted at strip clubs.
In the end, “equal pay for equal work” is oppressive. If I’m an employer, and employee “X” is a competent man with five children to support and a wife who stays at home, and employee “Y” is a competent single woman, I’m a sexist and soon-to-be Defendant if I pay “X” more in light of his family obligations. I kind of thing that sucks, because it penalizes me for doing something generous and gratuitous for my employee.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 1:29 pm #
Edit to add: Scroodge, after being reformed and paying Bob Cratchet enough to save Tiny Tim’s life, surely deserves to be sued by Lilly Ledbetter for his trouble.
Comment by Cowboy on 1/9 @ 1:29 pm #
Carin:
Did you know that Zinn’s “history” is available in a comic book version? I kid you not. I’m sure it’s the one parsnip has “read.”
Comment by TheUnrepentantGeek on 1/9 @ 1:36 pm #
Just white people eh? Nobody else generalizes behavior based on superficial criteria (in this case, race) but white people?
Heh.
But anyway. Racism springs from lazy thinking habits. Why people assume this occurs more often in whites I’ll never guess. Go visit Japan some time and tell me how racist white people are. And look, I’ve heard the arguments about how you need power to be a racist so by definition minority populations can’t be racist (Sociology classes … ugh). But I really don’t think I need to explain why that’s moronic.
Point is, racism is a symptom of the human condition. It’ll never go away completely, but things are certainly better now than they were.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 1:39 pm #
Carin:
Did you know that Zinn’s “history†is available in a comic book version? I kid you not. I’m sure it’s the one parsnip has “read.â€Â
I did not know that. Makes sense. May as well make your bullshit readable to your target audience.
Comment by Sam Hall on 1/9 @ 2:10 pm #
This is the first relatively troll-free thread I’ve read here in a while. It reminds me of the blessed quiet that falls when one removes a howling, spoiled toddler from the room.
Only when they are absent does one see how little trolls like parsnip and thor add to the discussion.
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 2:16 pm #
Then take your own advice and remove yourself, you little howling troll.
Comment by Sam Hall on 1/9 @ 2:21 pm #
thor, you’re a sociopath who lives for the attention of others. I relly do pity you.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 2:25 pm #
The President tried several times to stop the coming meltdown alpo, and the Demoncrats threatened to filibuster any attempt at corrective legislation.
So rather than believe the truth, right wing extremists choose to believe poor blacks and Mexicans somehow wrote trillions of dollars worth of exotic and worthless securities and tubed America’s economy.
How remarkably on topic.
Comment by MarkD on 1/9 @ 2:42 pm #
I think my head just exploded. For some unfathomable reason, I’ll outsource to India to save money, but pay a man more than I’d pay a woman for doing the same job?
I’ve done those forced ranking things, and when it comes to layoffs, the least valuable head rolls. I’ve also had the joy of splitting a 2% merit raise pool among 10 employees, ranging from superstars to near-zombies.
The only concession I’ll make is that it is unfair. Sometimes you can’t pay people what they deserve. Some people are middling performers and rise to decent salaries over the years. Gender has nothing to do with it.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 2:44 pm #
“Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 2:12 pm #
“The problem with the equal pay fallacy is that it is logically inconsistant. If I can pay women less money for the same work, why would I hire men?â€Â
I think it would be quite incredible if managers and evalutors at goodyear only based their evaluations and promotions on this narrow economic view of what would be best for their employer.”
Then why are reactionary leftists always complaining when Goodyear, or any other company for that matter, move a plant to Mexico for the relative salary advantage?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 2:44 pm #
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 2:25 pm #
The President tried several times to stop the coming meltdown alpo, and the Demoncrats threatened to filibuster any attempt at corrective legislation.
Facts.
Live them
Love them.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 2:46 pm #
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 2:16 pm #
thorg, I hear your medication calling you.
Comment by kelly on 1/9 @ 2:50 pm #
Do you enjoy being a an ignorant little fug, snip? You must.
Comment by Chris S. on 1/9 @ 2:51 pm #
“So rather than believe the truth, right wing extremists choose to believe poor blacks and Mexicans somehow wrote trillions of dollars worth of exotic and worthless securities and tubed America’s economy”
Maybe some do, but it was really the government-sponsored-enterprises encouraging the subprime market and A.C.O.R.N. otherwise strong-arming banks into making the crap loans.
And I’m sure Mexicans and ACTUALLY BLACK AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS had little to nothing to do with it.
…and yes, I have to say that I do prefer hanging out in Minneapolis’ Somali & Mexican immigrant communities than among our homegrown “people of color” . . .
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 2:53 pm #
So rather than believe the truth, right wing extremists choose to believe poor blacks and Mexicans somehow wrote trillions of dollars worth of exotic and worthless securities and tubed America’s economy.
Just when I thought Zed Chomsky and Maynard Zinn had the pargimp at work fellating them….oh well.
Barney Frank and others in congress threatened the banks into writing billions of dollars of of exotic and worthless securities, and had Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwrite it all, which, with the power of derivatives, turned billions into trillions. Carrot and Stick.
When the foundations are rotten, the edifice collapses.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 2:53 pm #
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Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 2:56 pm #
Admit it No Brain, as long as your government check shows up on time each week, you don’t really care about economics.
Rush told you to blame brown people for the Republican’s economic mess and you said, “Yes, Sir!”
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 3:00 pm #
Rush told you to blame Demorats
brown peoplefor the Nation’sRepublican’seconomic mess and you said, “Yes, Sir!â€ÂComment by BJTexs on 1/9 @ 3:03 pm #
Shorter Tuber: BLAH BLAH BLAH Republicans hates ‘em some brown people BLAH, BLAH BLAH…
Do you keep 3 X 5 cards with all of the snarky talking points, alphie? Boring as hell.
Comment by pan on 1/9 @ 3:11 pm #
To talk about racism with the unstated premise that all things are equal is a mistake. The impact of racism is NOT equal across the groups involved.
Black people in the USA probably do have more antipathy towards whites than vice-versa – and that’s awful (if expected) and should be acknowledged and changed.
But what is the outcome of “out group” racism? Nothing! What are black Americans going to deny white people of? Rap video appearances? Spinning rims? They don’t have nearly the power of white America, so there’s no punch to it – unless you invoke that unstated premise, then all racism seems tantamount, which is absurd on it’s face.
We also need to re-think racism as an implicit reaction we carry, and not cross burning hatred. Telling white people they’re “racists” is not the answer, and in most cases is innaccurate. We all carry implicit racist ideas whether we want to or not, and pointing fingers at well intentioned people is pretty ridiculous.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 3:15 pm #
Haha,
Dre just admitted racism is the underlying theme to most Republican beliefs.
Thanks, pal.
Comment by Sam Hall on 1/9 @ 3:18 pm #
But what is the outcome of “out group†racism? Nothing!
Nonsense. The effect on the out group itself can be devastating.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 3:22 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 3:15 pm #
Haha,
Dre just admitted racism is the underlying theme to most Republican beliefs.
Thanks, pal.”
You have problems with that whole “English” thing don’t you polyp?
And I thought that seman was bad in that regard.
Unless your PC is so out of date it doesn’t recognize strike throughs.
Yet another reason to go out and get a job, polyp.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 3:26 pm #
I do indeed see the strike thoughs, No Brain, but in this case they show “Democrats” is just another code word Republicans use when they really mean “brown people”
Too bad you crackers are only about 15% of the American population these days.
Comment by kelly on 1/9 @ 3:26 pm #
Do you really believe Republicans run Wall Street, parsnippity? Are you that stupid? Really? How do you remember to breathe?
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/9 @ 3:32 pm #
Too bad you crackers are only about 15% of the American population these days.
That would actually be about 75%. How much time do you spend in that Gimp Suit, isolated from the real world?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 1/9 @ 3:33 pm #
“What are black Americans going to deny white people of?”
Life, bodily autonomy, and property. When in cahoots with Leftists, opportunity, prosperity, etc.
Comment by BJTexs on 1/9 @ 3:34 pm #
That is a statement seeped in victimization imperitives and fuzzy logic. You don’t have any idea what racist ideas, if any, I or anybody else carries unless you have a valid observation or other evidence. To simply assume that everybody carries “racist ideas” is to play into the hands of the professional victimization pimps who will lead you on a course that ends in the sort of far left demagoguery that counseled students at the University of Delaware that “all white people are inherently racist” and “there is no such thing as reverse racism.”
It’s lazy, accommodating logic with scant actual evu=idence and a contrived value set of the sociology crowd.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 3:35 pm #
“Are you that stupid? Really?”
Yes, and yes.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 3:35 pm #
I love me some Ritz.
Comment by Thomas Jackson on 1/9 @ 3:39 pm #
I wonder when NYU will do a study of black attitudes that prevail in churches like Obama’s? Is that racist? Probably not, there is a double standard to uphold, you know.
Comment by BJTexs on 1/9 @ 3:39 pm #
Not to mention the fact that there are other biases not based on skin color, like cultural or religious. The idea that racism is inherent to all demeans everyone, black or white, and does not accomplish any sort of understanding of any differences or promote the sort of color neutral tolerance most of us would like to experience.
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/9 @ 3:44 pm #
# 138
This caricature of republicans that you have created in your sad little mind is so far removed from reality it’s almost laughable. Steven Colbert is a PARITY, and a bad one at that. Understand?
Comment by Dr. John on 1/9 @ 3:44 pm #
“The problem with the equal pay fallacy is that it is logically inconsistant. If I can pay women less money for the same work, why would I hire men?â€Â
I think it would be quite incredible if managers and evalutors at goodyear only based their evaluations and promotions on this narrow economic view of what would be best for their employer.â€Â
I work for a large corporation and can say that the only reasons other than economic ones that are used for salary/promotion decisions are ones forced on us by the government, i.e. quotas, set-asides, affirmative action, etc. Reasons that exclusively benefit womyn and non-whites…
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 3:46 pm #
“Democrats†is just another code word Republicans use when they really mean stupid people
“brown peopleâ€ÂComment by Obstreperous Infidel on 1/9 @ 3:48 pm #
Yeah, come on pan. No, we don’t all carry implicit racist ideas, whatever that even means. Do MOST people want to be with people like themselves? I can believe that. And there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. However, what you’re talking about seems to be at an institutional level. But anyone can be racist. I agree with the adage that racism is power. But guess what? That means anyone can be racist. Anyone with power over anyone else (boss, preacher, teacher, cop, etc…) can be racist against somebody else. Color be damned.
Comment by Lesley on 1/9 @ 3:59 pm #
Many years ago, my mother and father were attending a state meeting of the Episcopal Church in South Dakota. At that time about half the Episcopalians in South Dakota were Native American and were well-represented at this meeting. Seated in front of my parents were two middle-aged Native American men. During Holy Communion, a very black (my mother said his skin was almost blue in tone) visiting Nigerian Bishop came down the aisle. The two Native American men observed this Bishop very closely, one poked the other in the ribs and, in sotto voice said, “Hunkpapa.” The men giggled through the rest of the service.
A little Native American humor for ya, and on many levels.
OH! And why didn’t you racists immediately jump to the defense of South Dakotans??? There is so much closet racism against us poor South Dakota natives. You really should reserve that sort of thing for Iowans.
Comment by kelly on 1/9 @ 4:02 pm #
[psst] Hey, John. I think you mean parody.
Comment by B Moe on 1/9 @ 4:06 pm #
What are black Americans going to deny white people of?
Is that a trick question?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 4:11 pm #
can’t answer it, can you, B Moe?
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/9 @ 4:17 pm #
Kelly,
I only caught that after I hit “Say It”. I am so bad at spelling even MS Word can’t find a correction sometimes.
Thanks for bringing it up though. ;)
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/9 @ 4:21 pm #
“What are black Americans going to deny white people of?”
The race card.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 4:23 pm #
Lose your muse, thor? What; Winehouse’s Aural Exciter blow up or something?
There’s always Celine, bitch.
Comment by B Moe on 1/9 @ 4:30 pm #
There are some neighborhoods I know of where a white person can be denied pretty much everything by a black man.
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 4:30 pm #
Celine would be roundly charmed by your gratuitous accolades, I’m … certain.
My furtive rump, bitch.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 4:32 pm #
Heh. As it were.
Comment by kelly on 1/9 @ 4:34 pm #
Well, in fairness to pedantry, it was in caps, John. You were just asking for it… ;)
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 4:38 pm #
Yours is a theory all its own. To identify with those of similar skin and other human characteristics is instinctual. We are animals, are we not!
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 4:47 pm #
Lying antisemitic French fascists aren’t animals. I’m told.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 5:02 pm #
There may indeed be a few non-racist Republicans, BJT, but the Confederate battle flag waves proudly over most of your colleagues.
Time was that together you could add up to a majority.
Whatever will you guys do now?
To gain a majority again, you must renounce your cracker base…but without them, you have no chance of winning a majority.
Quite a conundrum.
Comment by CFB on 1/9 @ 5:03 pm #
#3 Dicentra:
What you say about Indians being at the bottom of the racist totem pole in Columbia reminded me of something else from my teaching career. Every now and then I would get an Indian student who apparently spoke Spanish with a strong accent. The other South American kids would piss all over them, metaphorically speaking.
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 5:11 pm #
Spoken none-better than if you were a militant gender studies professor teaching queer lit theory.
That they hate him so might give you pause as to why you might relish his flawed genius.
Ye Franco God of dark comedy, R.I.P.!
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 5:20 pm #
Are you saying ignore Sarah Palin’s star power? Pin-up poster sales will plummet and collapse the entire red state economy altogether. Think of it! Talk of disasters!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 5:30 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 5:02 pm #
There may indeed be a few non-racist Republicans, BJT, but the Confederate battle flag waves proudly over most of your colleagues.”
The Confederate Battle Flag was created by, flown by and fought under by racist Democrats, your ignorant polyp.
Sweet jeebus on a pogo stick, don’t you know anything?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 5:31 pm #
Comment by thor on 1/9 @ 5:20 pm #
That’s nice, thor, now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
Comment by meya on 1/9 @ 5:45 pm #
“I work for a large corporation and can say that the only reasons other than economic ones that are used for salary/promotion decisions are ones forced on us by the government, i.e. quotas, set-asides, affirmative action, etc.”
Wow perfect managers? Nobody ever got treated unfairly by a bad manager? Lucky you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 5:48 pm #
“Wow perfect managers? Nobody ever got treated unfairly by a bad manager? Lucky you.”
No, just infinitely better than trying to run a business by bureaucratic ukase.
Infinitely.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 5:54 pm #
Case in point, via Ace:
” This just in — bureaucrats make for awful businessmen. California state pension money was invested largely in real estate, at the peak of the market.
Brilliant.
Oh, and the result is perfectly predictable: Increase taxes on employers.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/65829/
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 6:09 pm #
thor,
I think four years hence, Sarah Palin’s looks will have faded so much that only her kinkiest supporters will still get all tingly in their naughty bits when they see her.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 6:31 pm #
There may indeed be a few non-racist Demorats
Republicans, pickled white tuberBJT, but the Nazi/Communist/Fascist/IslamistConfederate battleflag waves proudly over most of your colleagues.Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 6:33 pm #
I think four years hence, The Messiah’s
Sarah Palin’slooks will have faded so much that only hisherkinkiest supporters will still get all tingly in their naughty bits when they see her. Hi Chrissy and Andy Boy.Comment by Eric on 1/9 @ 6:39 pm #
Meh. I guess I’m one of those people who doesn’t care that much about racism. Yeah, it exists, but so what? There are plenty of opportunities available to people of all races in the US, and racism is used as an excuse for failure far more often than it’s an actual reason for failure.
All this PC nonsense is far more corrosive to society than racism ever was.
Comment by JPS on 1/9 @ 7:03 pm #
“However, we found that their responses are much more muted than they expect when they are actually faced with an overtly racist comment.”
Not too long ago, I found myself sitting in a group, having lunch, while some pretty nasty ethnic slurs were made. No one present knew that those slurs applied to me. I’d grown up in a part of the country where such sentiments are nearly unheard-of, and so was naively surprised to find that yes, some people really do still think like this.
I let it pass. Part of me was disappointed in myself: Should have taken a stand, should have brought the guy up short. But I didn’t keep quiet out of fear. I knew I could say what was on my mind. The speaker would certainly have been embarrassed, the others would’ve felt bad for laughing or nodding along.
I just didn’t feel like getting into it. There are jerks out there, and this guy was still going to be one after I shamed him into shutting up. Not worth the bother, sometimes.
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:12 pm #
Alright, shut up thor and parsnip. I want to read more deep thoughts from the lily white pw.com commentors on the nature of race. Specifically, I need MORE examples of other races being racists/assholes and a cute explanation of why this means it’s ok for white people to be racist. Precious. And quite revealing how proudly ignorant they are. Please continue, kids.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:16 pm #
erm, link to the first explanation?
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:17 pm #
Oh maggie. I love to hear you beg! Yip Yip!
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:18 pm #
so there aren’t any?
Comment by guinsPen on 1/9 @ 7:18 pm #
173. Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 6:09 pm
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HAT TRICK !!!
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:19 pm #
Lost again, assclown?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:19 pm #
should have left the question mark off.
so there aren’t any, and as usual you’re seeing things that nobody else can! like PHIL GRAHAM WRECKING THE ECONOMY!!!
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/9 @ 7:19 pm #
Sorry, assclown, but my commentary was restricted to why they didn’t attempt the same study in other configurations, as it might have had more heft that way.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:20 pm #
well, we all know what that’s code for, Dan.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:21 pm #
That’s simply no deep thought from the lily white pw.com commentors on the nature of race, maggie.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:22 pm #
BJTexs could not be reached for comment…
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:25 pm #
No prob, maggie, as I have no race.
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:27 pm #
It’s kinda the blog equivalent of those America’s Funniest Home Videos clips with the redneck who says “hold my beer and watch this” right before they drive their jacked up pickup into the bayou. You know what’s coming next, and maybe so does the redneck. But he attacks the problem with zeal and gusto but without any knowledge of what the fuck he’s doing. Bravo, proteinwisdom!
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:29 pm #
honk-shoo
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 7:30 pm #
Mr Ass, I hope it doesn’t take you long to come up with those clever quips.
Have you investigated other blogs where your talents may be better appreciated? Honestly, your wit and charm is wasted here.
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 7:32 pm #
All this PC nonsense is far more corrosive to society than racism ever was.
Yeah, what’s a little lynching compared to not being able to use your favorite names for brown people in public.
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:32 pm #
“Blacks are totally more racist! Raaargh! So I can call them Negros without irony or getting my ass beat!”
I already suggested a new name for Obama – NegrObama. Use it, oh wise ones. Show the world you REFUSE to abide by their silly intentionalism. Or whatever bullshit justification for being an assholet.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 7:33 pm #
so, staying up past seven thirty tonight, Carin?
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:34 pm #
“All this PC nonsense is far more corrosive to society than racism ever was.”
This has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read here. You should be proud.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 7:35 pm #
So far, so good Maggie.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:35 pm #
Francophobe.
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:37 pm #
I want to be educated more on the evils of PCness and how it is way worser than racism ever was. Now that racism is dead, that is. Teach, wise ones.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:37 pm #
I may not attend your church, assclown, but I damn well defend your right to practice it down to the bottom of your next fifth.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:38 pm #
You’re a freaking study, assclown. Thanks!
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 7:38 pm #
All this PC nonsense is far more corrosive to society than racism ever was.
Yeah, what’s a little lynching compared to not being able to use your favorite names for brown people in public.
Sigh, I know I’m totally wasting my time, but your strawman arguments get SO tiresome.
No one cares that they can’t use the n-word in polite company. Not being able to address the dysfunction of urban black society …
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:38 pm #
“I may not attend your church, assclown, but I damn well defend your right to practice it down to the bottom of your next fifth.”
So I take it you agree that the PC movement is worse than racism? Really? Explains alot, actually.
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:39 pm #
Carin, you are another of the proudly ignorant. You seriously believe the PC movement has destroyed the American cities? Keep ‘em coming, this is just awesome.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:41 pm #
So I take it you agree with the conventional wisdom on the PC movement and on racism?
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:42 pm #
Surely there’s a law, Carin. Ask Bill Cosby.
Or The Reverend Jackson.
Comment by bill on 1/9 @ 7:43 pm #
Parsnippy, Sarah Palin’s looks might fade in four years,but her husband will still love her. One thing that won’t fade in 4 years is your ardor for getting busy with Barney Frank’s butt cheeks, but that’s you.
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 7:43 pm #
Silly Ass. Of course not. The “PC” movement didn’t begin until the late 80’s and urban black society had been in bad shape for almost two decades by then.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 7:45 pm #
“deep thoughts from the lily white pw.com commentors on the nature of race.”
And you know that because…..why?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 7:47 pm #
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Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 7:32 pm #
All this PC nonsense is far more corrosive to society than racism ever was.
Yeah, what’s a little lynching compared to not being able to use your favorite names for brown people in public.”
Ah, lynching, another favorite passtime of the Democrats.
Comment by JHoward on 1/9 @ 7:47 pm #
Assumed = implied = inherent, N. O’Brain. Rules, you know.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 7:47 pm #
Remember, alpo, the KKK is the terrorist arm of the Democratic party.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 7:50 pm #
Comment by assclown on 1/9 @ 7:39 pm #
Do you have any connection to our space-time continuum?
You know, that thing called “reality”?
Comment by Carin on 1/9 @ 7:54 pm #
I think Mr. Ass has passed out.
Comment by dre on 1/9 @ 8:06 pm #
“Yeah, what’s a little lynching compared to not being able to use your favorite names for brown people in public.”
Lynch Duke lacrosse players much white veg?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/9 @ 8:09 pm #
Considering all of the anti-discrimination legislation at the federal and state level, and the federal and state boards, and the easy access to the courts in the United States, it would be very strange to find any governmental or corporate body that will wink and smile at any display of proscribed discrimination, including racism.
At the personal level, outside of work or government? That can exist, and will exist; just ignore/avoid those fools as you would any other lamprous troll. I mean, there can’t be a law against stupidity or else Congress would be incacerated.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/9 @ 8:33 pm #
OK, now I am conflicted. Being a yankee quadroon who was transplanted to south of the Line of Mason and Dixon and who chooses to remain here, a) can I not comment here, not being lily white and all, b) because I have decided to stay here, does that make me a cracker, and if so what type ? A Graham cracker ? If parts of my caucasoid parts are of Scots descent, am I then a macaroon ? How much should I discriminate against myself ? If I am a high yellow, am I really Asian ?
Comment by Joe the Professional Journalist on 1/9 @ 8:41 pm #
Hmmm. Just checked a data map of the Red States.
I see more teen pregnancies than Blue States.
I’m tellin’ ya, those Christian white kids breed like rabbits.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 8:43 pm #
Got a link for that map, Joe?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 8:45 pm #
or maybe a comment relevant to the post subject?
Comment by JPS on 1/9 @ 8:53 pm #
The relevance, maggie, is “You redumblicans sure do suck!”
To certain folks here, this qualifies as relevant to absolutely any topic under discussion.
Comment by Joe the Professional Journalist on 1/9 @ 9:06 pm #
Yes Pablo, a link.
Charts and everything. Beware, It comes from pure evil.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/9 @ 9:12 pm #
assclown@178
Two wrongs never make right; racism by one group doesn’t excuse it for another…
Now riddle me this…Why can blacks use the “N” word, but the world ends of whites do? And, why do Farrakhan and Wright get a pass on make vile racial and ethnic slurs and references when no whites would? And why can Bobby Rush, Burris, and Obama play the race card, even pre-emptively and be successful, but to even disagree with their sentiment would make me a RAAAAAAAACIST!…
Please start by addressing these examples…Believe me, I can provide maaaaaany examples of reverse racism if you’d like; but I’m the kind of guy who let’s those kind of things roll off my back…
The good Lord gave me broad shoulders to bear the burdens of such idiocies…
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 9:14 pm #
and seven years ago.
Comment by Bob Reed on 1/9 @ 9:16 pm #
Parsnip,
the evil inherent in PC speak is the ideology of identity politics that it supports and foments. It is an inherently divisive ideology, and does our overall society a dis-service by encourage tribalism over a cohesive national identity and culture; a quality that is necessary in a polyglot and ethnically diverse society such as ours that necessarily lacks the bonds of blood, race, and religion that most others have…
Comment by parsnip on 1/9 @ 9:17 pm #
The good Lord gave me broad shoulders to bear the burdens of such idiocies…
Out pops the right wing extremist victim card on cue.
Oh, the troubles I seen!
Joe,
I know you’re new to the job, but New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Indiana, Florida, Ohio and Virginia are now Blue States, and Texas will be one shortly unless the crackers can somehow convince Hispanics to vote for their crooks.
Good luck, amigos!
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 9:19 pm #
but you were “just looking” at them.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 9:22 pm #
The CDC is at least up to 2006. gawd that was hard to find.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 9:23 pm #
sorry, i found that via this more recent article and it has a handy map as well.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/9 @ 9:40 pm #
Maggie, just don’t point out to Joe the Imaginary Journalist the races with the highest rates. That would be racist and disrupt the cracker narrative, you know.
On the subject of maps, http://images.newsmax.com/misc/2008_Election_Map.jpg shows a dandy county-by-county election map with an alarming amount of red to those of Parsnip’s peculiar affliction.
Comment by Joe the Professional Journalist on 1/9 @ 9:46 pm #
Pablo: “and seven years ago”
How’s that working out for you?
OP: “No word on what happens when the roles are reversed; wouldn’t be prudent.”
You all laughed at the “Magic Negro” parody when it was just Rush being Rush.
Funny how that stuff gets awkward once it gets outside of the bubble.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 9:51 pm #
oh, do tell
Comment by B Moe on 1/9 @ 9:55 pm #
What’s awkward about it? Other than how many lefties didn’t get the joke, I mean?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/9 @ 9:57 pm #
Oh, maggie. That hurt.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 1/9 @ 9:59 pm #
Oh the almost trifecta! alphie, dumbassclown and thor. I say almost because, and I know this is an unpopular stance here, I don’t believe thor is a troll. An asshole? Yes, but not a troll. But alphie and dumbassclown are worthless. There’s more utility in a broken weed wacker. They are useless.
“You all laughed at the “Magic Negro†parody when it was just Rush being Rush.”
You’re stupid. Really, really stupid.
Comment by Ric Locke on 1/9 @ 10:07 pm #
Joe, your “professional journalism” credentials are showing. That is, you don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about, get defensive when anybody suggests you should, and spend your days making criticisms that fall wide of the mark because you don’t have the least inkling of what they’re about.
The “Magic Negro” phrase was invented by that well-known, lily-white, gay-hating NASCAR fan, David Ehrenstein of the LA Times. To my knowledge he used it first in the comments to Cathy Seipp’s blog when that lovely lady was still with us, and he was specifically using it to criticize the attitude you exhibit.
I don’t listen to Rush; that is the sort of clever coinage he’d pick up on, but he, and I, understand what it means and how its originator used it, which you clearly do not.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 10:07 pm #
You really should pay attention to who you’re talking to. Joe Wurzelbacher wouldn’t make a dumbass mistake like that.
Comment by JPS on 1/9 @ 10:08 pm #
What is it with political loons (on any side) and capitalization?
Read the last sentence in #236 as it’s written. Do you really talk like that?
Comment by Sam Hall on 1/9 @ 10:13 pm #
You’re doing a fine job of that already.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 10:13 pm #
Oh, yeah. This guy. A total racist. Really. I’m not kidding.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 10:13 pm #
um, pretty sure we already have. That you don’t see it is typical.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 10:14 pm #
OK.
“You all laughed at the “Magic Negro†parody when it was just Rush being Rush.â€Â
There.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/9 @ 10:15 pm #
“How so? Prove it.”
You claim to be a journalist.
QED.
Comment by Joe the Professional Journalist on 1/9 @ 10:20 pm #
Hey, It’s MY 15 minutes. Besides, how do I know you’re not just another Jeff G. sock puppet?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 1/9 @ 10:21 pm #
LOL! You need me to prove YOUR stupidity? Alrighty then. I didn’t laugh. I don’t listen to Rush. You’re stupid for generalizing.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 10:22 pm #
oh, Carin and I can vouch for that.
Pablo. He ees nooo Jeff Geee.
Comment by Joe the Professional Journalist on 1/9 @ 10:30 pm #
So you admit there is an undisclosed sock puppet angle.
How much did Darleen know and when did she know it?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 10:33 pm #
??? I’m having trouble following teh stoopid.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/9 @ 10:39 pm #
You’re not supposed to follow it, it is free association stoopid.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/9 @ 10:42 pm #
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, so why should people who mean well not be questioned? Especially when we believe the means are misguided and the potential for the whole mess going horribly wrong is so high?
Comment by B Moe on 1/9 @ 10:49 pm #
I do listen to Rush and I thought the song was hilarious. But it was even funnier how many libtards don’t get that it is actually poking fun at Ehrenstein and Sharpton and all the old school race warlords who were pissed at Obama’s success. The song really didn’t have shit to do with Obama his own self.
Comment by Pablo on 1/9 @ 11:15 pm #
You don’t. Which makes that another item on a really fucking long list of things you do not know. But, I’m not. So you can cross that off now. Because I’m a giver.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/9 @ 11:24 pm #
oh man, this stalking thing could get really interesting soon.
Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 12:50 am #
it is actually poking fun at Ehrenstein and Sharpton and all the old school race warlords who were pissed at Obama’s success.
Any excuse to get to use the old naughty words in public, what?
Now that the Republicans aren’t interested in winning national elections anymore I suppose it can’t hurt.
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/10 @ 12:57 am #
erm, still not paying attention, I see.
Comment by B Moe on 1/10 @ 7:24 am #
Any excuse to get to use the old naughty words in public, what?
Naughty words?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/10 @ 7:30 am #
“Comment by B Moe on 1/10 @ 7:24 am #
Any excuse to get to use the old naughty words in public, what?
Naughty words?”
He yels it a lot down Mom’s basement. Sends a thrill up his leg.
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 8:11 am #
Yeah, the term in common usage today is “nigger”, or the “nigga” variant. You should always use the term that the possibly offended group uses, as their use denotes what terms are acceptable. You will not hear a young black man greeting his friends with “What’s up, my negroes?”
United Negro College Fund.
Hah! I said it! I’m such a bad man!
Comment by alppuccino on 1/10 @ 8:51 am #
United Negro College Fund.
Hah! I said it! I’m such a bad man!
Now can that really help with the advancement of colored people?
Comment by assclown on 1/10 @ 10:25 am #
I said it before and I’ll say it again – if you are so right, use those words as much as you can. In public. Quit your pathetic mewling about how darn unfair it is you can’t use any word you’d like. Make a stand! Call your black coworker a “colored” or “negro” but carefully explain to them you reject their implied meanings. Show them this blog if you must. I know Jeff has written extensively on this angle. Hearts and minds, people!
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 10:27 am #
A grievance is a terrible thing to waste, al.
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 10:31 am #
Oh, do tell us about the implied meanings, mah nigga!
Comment by Rev. Jesse Jackson on 1/10 @ 10:33 am #
Don’t be talking down to the niggers. I’ll cut your balls off.
Comment by assclown on 1/10 @ 10:35 am #
You are a bunch of pussies. You gleefully say nigger on pw.com but wouldn’t say it to a black friend or acquaintance. Cowards.
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 10:45 am #
Ohnoes!! Assclown can see into my meatspace! Mommy!
Comment by assclown on 1/10 @ 11:13 am #
What happened to Lisa, again? She wised up, I suspect.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/10 @ 11:16 am #
“Comment by assclown on 1/10 @ 10:35 am #
You are a bunch of pussies. You gleefully say nigger on pw.com but wouldn’t say it to a black friend or acquaintance. Cowards.”
Actually, you walking vomiter of stereotypes, I have never used that word, to black friends, acquaitances or my boss.
Comment by Carin on 1/10 @ 11:18 am #
Why don’t you go find her, Mr. Ass? She’s gone, and we’re left with you. I, for one, feel gypped.
Comment by daleyrocks on 1/10 @ 11:43 am #
“I, for one, feel gypped.”
Carin – There you go with the stereotypes again. What do you have against gypsies?
Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 11:51 am #
Well Pablo, we can see that there are no moderate Republicans here willing to denounce your overt racism.
I guess that means all Republicans are extremists.
Please keep it up.
Comment by Froederick Kennewick on 1/10 @ 12:23 pm #
No, Parsnip, many of us know when we are being called names out of hate, as a joke, or to make a point, and can respond accordingly.
Alas, that is not a claim that you and your rabble can make.
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 12:27 pm #
1. I have no overt racism.
2. Review the thread and find the first instance of an N-word variant. Who posted it?
R. I”m not a Republican, but I will denounce your overt idiocy, snippy. Stupid fucking cracka.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/10 @ 12:43 pm #
So many comments here.
The study proves the obvious, that humans divide themselves up into ‘family’, ‘clan’, and ‘tribe’; and when it gets to the point that they do not know another person they use things such as coloration, complexion, grooming style, clothing, speech patterns, etc., to find people who are like them and favor those people over others.
Now that the frickin’ obvious has been noted by another study, can we just get back to encouraging people to keep their nasty opinions to themselves and treat one another in a civil manner?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/10 @ 12:48 pm #
And ‘treat them in a civil manner’ should have an added part: until they prove themselves not deserving that treatment.
Comment by B Moe on 1/10 @ 2:05 pm #
Call your black coworker a “colored†or “negro†but carefully explain to them you reject their implied meanings.
Why can’t I just call them by their names, like I do my white co-workers?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/10 @ 2:06 pm #
B Moe, have you learned nothing from Rush Limbaugh?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/10 @ 3:22 pm #
“Now that the frickin’ obvious has been noted by another study, can we just get back to encouraging people to keep their nasty opinions to themselves and treat one another in a civil manner?”
But that’d be contrary to the reactionary leftist narrative!
You HAVE to seperate people into tribes, otherwise they might just, you know, get along.
Comment by parsnip on 1/10 @ 3:25 pm #
Iâ€Âm not a Republican
You vote for Bob Barr, Pablo?
Or did you write in Ron Paul’s name?
Comment by Pablo on 1/10 @ 3:29 pm #
Ron Paul is a Republican, snippy. So’s Barr for that matter.