January 2, 2009
Charles Manson was unavailable … [Darleen Click]

… to write a column on group dynamics and OJ Simpson is otherwise engaged and cannot commit to offering dating and marriage advice.

However, Arianna Huffington, the Internet’s answer to Xaviera Hollander, was able to land Obama mentor, domestic terrorist and unindicted murderer, Bill Ayers to vomit forth a few chunks on education, Chomsky, and proper [left-serving] democracy.

(h/t Ace)

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  1. Comment by Saddam Hussein on 1/2 @ 10:48 pm #

    We are all waiting breathlessly for Bill to arrive here and join us. Tell him he won’t need any winter clothes though; it’s kind of warm here! Tell him to bring some Poland spring water if he could too!

  2. Comment by Sdferr on 1/2 @ 10:50 pm #

    It’s a shame that Bill’s dad Tom has passed on, since I’m sure he’d be awfully proud to see his son has made it to the very pinnacle of modern journalistic respectability. And a good thing too, in passing, to note that Bill’s fervent thoughts on educational reform receive a much wider and shallower audience at his new digs.

    And tongue baths are nice, I’m told.

  3. Comment by Famously Hypocritical on 1/2 @ 10:53 pm #

    …like George W. Bush’s Secretary of Education, Rod Paige of the fraudulent Texas-miracle, have little to show in terms of school improvement beyond a deeply dishonest public relations narrative.”

    Kind of like the Chacago Annenberg Challenge you and Obama ran, eh Ayers?

  4. Comment by Penny Banner on 1/2 @ 11:07 pm #

    “We want our students to be able to think for themselves, to make judgments based on evidence and argument, to develop minds of their own. We want them to ask fundamental questions—Who in the world am I? How did I get here and where am I going? What in the world are my choices? How in the world shall I proceed? — and to pursue answers wherever they might take them. Democratic educators focus their efforts, not on the production of things so much as on the production of fully developed human beings who are capable of controlling and transforming their own lives, citizens who can participate fully in civic life.”

    Yes, all that is clearly a chunk of vomit.

  5. Comment by South Side Africans of Chicago on 1/2 @ 11:09 pm #

    We want our m*@haf*&kin’ money back from that crackah perpetrator Ayers. Our kids can’t read of cypher; all they can do is talk about m@thaf*ckin’ social justice an’ sh*t!

    How’s that gonna help Michelle’s kids? Oh snap! They go to m@thaf*ckin’ private school!

    SAY WHA-WHA-WHAT?

  6. Comment by Sdferr on 1/2 @ 11:14 pm #

    So, Mary Ann, you got any pretzels to go with that thin swill?

  7. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/2 @ 11:17 pm #

    Trust Fund Billy seems to be of the tribe that believes education is a process of getting something out of students rather than putting something into them unless, of course, that “something” is a Maoist weltanschauung.

  8. Comment by Spiny Norman on 1/2 @ 11:25 pm #

    Famously Hypocritical,

    “…like George W. Bush’s Secretary of Education, Rod Paige of the fraudulent Texas-miracle, have little to show in terms of school improvement beyond a deeply dishonest public relations narrative.”

    Kind of like the Chacago Annenberg Challenge you and Obama ran, eh Ayers?

    Billy couldn’t possibly have said that with a straight face, could he?

    Holy cow!!

  9. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/2 @ 11:31 pm #

    Penny, maybe you should think about what communists do rather than what they say.

    Ayers and his buddies had plans to exterminate 25 million Americans.

    Doesn’t that bother you, even a little bit?

  10. Comment by Darleen on 1/2 @ 11:31 pm #

    #4 Penny … nice to see you again, Anthony Ulasewicz/V. Dare/C. Finlay

    BTW, why did Obama lie?

  11. Comment by Famously Hypocritical on 1/2 @ 11:34 pm #

    This guy’s rerally starting to believe all of the rehabilitated reputation crap that the MSM has been spewing in their dedication to the duty of enduring the success of Obama’s presidency, Spiny Norman.

    I guess that although he’s such a brilliant writer and a pedagogical genius, he doesn’t realize that there is still a historical record in this country; at least until January 21!

    Or maybe this guy is so pathalogical that he doesn’t realize that he’s lying!

  12. Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 11:34 pm #

    Not as poetic as Scooter Libby but not bad.

  13. Comment by Leon Trotsky on 1/2 @ 11:35 pm #

    Anthony Ulasewicz

    Again, eh?

    ‘Hammered.

  14. Comment by B Moe on 1/2 @ 11:36 pm #

    All that bullshit would mean a lot more if any of those hucksters sent their own kids to public school.

  15. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/2 @ 11:36 pm #

    B Moe: exactly.

  16. Comment by Le Duan on 1/2 @ 11:38 pm #

    Ayers held an officers commission in the NVA. In addition to his ability to take the war directly to our enemy, we admired the bold scope of his re-education plan to reduce the US population by 25 million or so, in the name of unity.

    I think that’s part of what Obama saw in him!

  17. Comment by Nan on 1/2 @ 11:39 pm #

    See, I didn’t know #4 was sarcasm. I thought it was an honest evaluation, since, well, it really is a chunk of vomit.

  18. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/2 @ 11:41 pm #

    Does anyone else read the citation Penny cribbed in #4 and think of the Sex Pistols “Anarchy in the UK”?

    Don’t know what I want
    But I know how ta get it.

  19. Comment by B Moe on 1/2 @ 11:42 pm #

    I would have picked Noam Chomsky for state, Naomi Klein for defense, Bernardine Dohrn for Attorney General, Bill Fletcher for commerce, James Thindwa for labor, Barbara Ransby for human services, Paul Krugman for treasury, and Amy Goodman for press secretary.

    He forgot Blagojevich for OMB.

  20. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/2 @ 11:42 pm #

    Hmm… it’s been a while since I heard the song, Jeffersonian, but I don’t remember a verse about calling the Chicago police to protect you from reporters.

    That Ayers has his own outlaw style of anarchy, it would seem.

  21. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/2 @ 11:44 pm #

    Anarchy for thee, but not for me.

  22. Comment by Mephistopheles on 1/2 @ 11:45 pm #

    I would have picked Noam Chomsky for state, Naomi Klein for defense, Bernardine Dohrn for Attorney General, Bill Fletcher for commerce, James Thindwa for labor, Barbara Ransby for human services, Paul Krugman for treasury, and Amy Goodman for press secretary.”

    Quite a line-up indeed! I’ve already set place-cards for them at my table here!

  23. Comment by Sdferr on 1/2 @ 11:46 pm #

    Y’all are ready for the District of Columbia to become the 51st state now, aren’t ya? Let me have an Amen!

  24. Comment by Bernard Madoff on 1/2 @ 11:47 pm #

    I would have picked Noam Chomsky for state, Naomi Klein for defense, Bernardine Dohrn for Attorney General, Bill Fletcher for commerce, James Thindwa for labor, Barbara Ransby for human services, Paul Krugman for treasury, and Amy Goodman for press secretary.”

    What a bunch of crooks! A rogues gallery indeed!

  25. Comment by Marion Barry on 1/2 @ 11:49 pm #

    Y’all are ready for the District of Columbia to become the 51st state now, aren’t ya?”

    Heh. I’ll be a Senator then! And we’ll be adding fo’ mo’ members to the Congressional Black Caucus!

    And if Pelosi evah tries to cross me, I’ll use my old line, “Da bitch! set me up!”

  26. Comment by Sdferr on 1/2 @ 11:54 pm #

    !!!?nemA ym s’erehw ,noiraM ti-nmaD

  27. Comment by Ag80 on 1/2 @ 11:54 pm #

    What does Scooter Libby have to do with this discussion? Did parsnip see something shiny?

    “We want our students to be able to think for themselves, to make judgments based on evidence and argument, to develop minds of their own. We want them to ask fundamental questions—Who in the world am I? How did I get here and where am I going? What in the world are my choices? How in the world shall I proceed? — and to pursue answers wherever they might take them. Democratic educators focus their efforts, not on the production of things so much as on the production of fully developed human beings who are capable of controlling and transforming their own lives, citizens who can participate fully in civic life.”

    Also, Penny, how’s that working out in Chicago, D.C. or Dallas for that matter? I’m not saying his words are bad, but where’s the proof?

    I’m going to go out a limb here and suggest that maybe, just maybe, teaching children the basics when they’re young and then challenging them with Ayer’s eloquent ideas as they grow older might work out in the long run. Teaching children to learn and then apply their learning to logic and philosophy seems like a good idea to me. However, learning the “production of things” is a pretty good idea, too.

  28. Comment by Marion Barry on 1/2 @ 11:56 pm #

    Give a brutha an Amen!

  29. Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 11:57 pm #

    According to Technorati and Alexa, “the Internet’s answer to Xaviera Hollander” has the number one blog in the world.

    Quite a soapbox Mr. Ayres got.

  30. Comment by Xaviera Hollander on 1/2 @ 11:59 pm #

    *yawn*
    Billy Ayers is soooooooo ’70s

  31. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:02 am #

    So, the shiny thing is the Huffington Post. Popularity apparently translates into a great example of critical thinking. Ryan Seacrest is the new Sumner.

  32. Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:05 am #

    Ag80

    Ayers experimented on Chicago children and promptly does not want anyone to remember or recall the dismal results.

    He’s a flimflam man of the worst sort, because his even his motives are alarmingly sick.

    He’s what Charles Manson would have been if Charlie had grown up a child of amoral wealth and privilege.

  33. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:08 am #

    Hey, Jammiewearingfool found thor! Look:

    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/01/as-soon-as-he-saw-me-his-eyes-went-wide.html

  34. Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:08 am #

    Quite a soapbox Mr. Ayres got.

    is that what they are calling leftwing twat these days?

  35. Comment by Chris Tingle on 1/3 @ 12:12 am #

    Quite a soapbox Mr. Ayres got.”

    Well me and Keefy Olberman get to be live! on MSNBC nightly!

    He better remember who he owes, and be more careful about what he writes about. He better atop yakking before he embarasses daddy O!

  36. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 12:12 am #

    Cleanliness is next to godliness, darleen.

    So is controling the world’s most visited blog.

    Your jealousy ain’t very pretty.

  37. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:21 am #

    Cleanliness is next to godliness, darleen.

    What? Standing on a soapbox makes someone clean? How does that work? And why would darleen be jealous of Arianna? That doesn’t compute.

  38. Comment by Sdferr on 1/3 @ 12:23 am #

    You know, this is the time of year when the sky lightens a touch as the Sun rises round about 5:30am in Oslo, hits its zenith at 6:37am and then sets again after only a little over two hours aloft at 7:45am plunging the nordic world back into another 22 hrs of darkness. It’s not a wonder they wear funny hats up that-a-way.

  39. Comment by Penny Banner on 1/3 @ 12:24 am #

    Here’s another chunk of vomit about the worthlessness of adolescent imagination… see if you can guess who wrote it:

    Another newcomer in Dixon that year was a new English teacher, B.J. Frazer, a small man with spectacles almost as thick as mine who taught me things about acting that stayed with me for the rest of my life. Our English teachers until then had graded student essays solely for spelling and grammar, without any consideration for their content. B.J. Frazer announced he was going to base his grades in part on the originality of our essays. That prodded me to be imaginative with my essays; before long he was asking me to read some of my essays to the class, and when I started getting a few laughs, I began writing them with the intention of entertaining the class. I got more laughs and realized I enjoyed it as much as I had those readings at church. For a teenager still carrying around some old feelings of insecurity, the reaction of my classmates was more music to my ears.

  40. Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:25 am #

    dear me, root veggie, you needn’t go quoting lines from Ratatouille

    “World’s Most Visited Blog”… so? the #1 most popular thing on the ‘net is p0rn and the #1 most popular book is the Bible. Does that make them equally valuable to culture?

  41. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:27 am #

    Well, that would be Ronald Reagan. Has anyone here criticized adolescent imagination? It fuels the world. Teach kids and they will lead.

  42. Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:28 am #

    the worthlessness of adolescent imagination

    Anthony Ulasewicz, which straw of your own spinning are you arguing with?

  43. Comment by Sdferr on 1/3 @ 12:29 am #

    Really, Mary Ann, this near-beer just doesn’t get it without some bar-food. If you don’t have pretzels, then how ’bout a bowl of popcorn or potato chips?

  44. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 12:40 am #

    #1 most popular thing on the ‘net is p0rn and the #1 most popular book is the Bible

    I bet if they could only have one, most Americans would choose porn over the bible, Darleen.

  45. Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:43 am #

    what a sad little life you lead, veggie.

  46. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:48 am #

    #1 most popular thing on the ‘net is p0rn and the #1 most popular book is the Bible

    I bet if they could only have one, most Americans would choose porn over the bible, Darleen.

    Do you really believe that? I’m serious. Think for a few minutes. Would most Americans really choose porn over the Bible?

    Remember, there are a few women in the United States. Ask Penny. Maybe porn would win and not all women would choose the Bible, but what’s the lesser of the two evils? And I don’t mean that in a biblical sense.

  47. Comment by thor on 1/3 @ 12:53 am #


    Comment by Darleen on 1/3 @ 12:25 am #

    “World’s Most Visited Blog”… so? the #1 most popular thing on the ‘net is p0rn and the #1 most popular book is the Bible. Does that make them equally valuable to culture?

    Don’t be blaspheming golden porn with your Bible babble.

  48. Comment by Republican on Acid on 1/3 @ 12:56 am #

    In a better world, a man would find this dumb hippy and give him the what for, and if he didn’t understand, then he’d get the what else.

    Funny too that willy doesn’t give Ted any props for all that public education is.

  49. Comment by Ag80 on 1/3 @ 12:59 am #

    Don’t be blaspheming golden porn with your Bible babble.

    Ah, the golden rhetoric of the argument challenged.

  50. Comment by Penny Banner on 1/3 @ 1:19 am #

    Does that make them equally valuable to culture?

    No, but it does make for some interesting intersections…

    The Jesus Loves Porn Stars Bible

    “This arresting title is the work of the XXXChurch, an organisation that on the one hand helps people addicted to porn, while on the other hand taking the gospel into the porn industry. They print this Bible to give out free at porn shows and industry conventions, distributing over 15,000 in 2007.”

  51. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 1:24 am #

    In a better world, a man would find this dumb hippy and give him the what for

    In a better world, men would use violence to achieve their political goals, RoA?

  52. Comment by Mossberg500 on 1/3 @ 3:28 am #

    Violence is theft. Go ahead and make a t-shirt.

  53. Comment by JHoward on 1/3 @ 6:23 am #

    Anthony Ulasewicz

    Come on, Leon, aside from ‘Tony’s spectacular intellectual honesty and spellbinding breadth of scope and vision, the other way to tell leftism’s so cool is by the consistency of the sheer, theoretical elegance that flows therefrom — you know, the way the same proud playahs hold spill forth with all that unassailable reason, factuality, and historicity.

    It’s just gotta be good, not only does it have the O!cialism Seal of Approval™, just look at that list of ingredients!

  54. Comment by JHoward on 1/3 @ 6:28 am #

    Popularity apparently translates into a great example of critical thinking.

    Actually, it gets better: Popularity apparently translates into an exclusive, universal state of critical thought. Proofs. Unicorns. Mob ethics, baby; the very best kind.

    Consider any troll’s methods: Always with the sophisticated arguments and never with the diversionary, populist, mob-rule, neener-neener bullshit. I mean, why would they with horsepower like that on tap.

  55. Comment by Joan of Argghh! on 1/3 @ 6:45 am #

    Well, Manson was available for this scintillating, one-word response.

  56. Comment by Carin on 1/3 @ 6:53 am #

    Penny, the reason this is a junk of vomit:

    We want our students to be able to think for themselves, to make judgments based on evidence and argument, to develop minds of their own. We want them to ask fundamental questions—Who in the world am I? How did I get here and where am I going? What in the world are my choices? How in the world shall I proceed? — and to pursue answers wherever they might take them. Democratic educators focus their efforts, not on the production of things so much as on the production of fully developed human beings who are capable of controlling and transforming their own lives, citizens who can participate fully in civic life.”

    - is because it’s based on the presumption that kids can simply go directly to asking themselves those questions w/o actually KNOWING shit. Then, these kids graduate believing they can participate fully in civic life w/o understanding basic ideas.

  57. Comment by BJTexs on 1/3 @ 7:08 am #

    “We want our students to be able to think for themselves, to make judgments based on evidence and argument, to develop minds of their own. We want them to ask fundamental questions—Who in the world am I? How did I get here and where am I going? What in the world are my choices? How in the world shall I proceed? — and to pursue answers wherever they might take them. Democratic educators focus their efforts, not on the production of things so much as on the production of fully developed human beings who are capable of controlling and transforming their own lives, citizens who can participate fully in civic life.”

    Since thor and penny/anthony are lurking, here’s the problem: This statement is disingenuous, deceptive or, at best, incomplete and is the center of Ayers problems as an educator.

    As thor has pointed out before, Ayers is no dummy. His book on juvenile justice did make some keen observations, although, ultimately, it fell to the unreality of his left wing academic and political idealism. Having read a significant chunk of Ayer’s writings on education I can tell you that while Ayers may talk a good game about “democratic educations” and “inspiring students to think for themselves” he is really asking for a curriculum that will persuade students to come to the proper conclusions.

    In other words, allowing students to develop and express their world views, both local and global, is perfectly great as long as the teaching program is is ass heavy with social justice, diversity, peace, and redistributive philosophy. In this cacophony of pretty words that has Penny all a twitter is the deception that haunts education to this day. There were many school districts across the country pushing forth an ideal of producing better people rather than better educated students. In virtually all aspects of this educational incarnation, better people are defined as less well educated in the three “R’s” but more socially and politically aware of what is almost relentlessly a soft socialistic view of the world. Quite lost on many of these people, including Ayers, is the idea that education should first and foremost educate knowledge, which imparts necessary skills for the students’ future benefit.

    Ayers wants to see (as he clearly attempted to do with Chicago schools) an educational system dedicated to making “objective” education its primary goal, where students are encouraged to open their minds and make decisions and form opinions. Lost in this Utopian hyperbole is the nasty little secret: all of the evidence and curricula will be severely weighted to prod students to choose the right proper views and opinions that, not coincidentally, reflect the same conclusions as Ayers and his compatriots.

    The fact that Penny/Anthony celebrates the deception because of the shiny, hopey idealism is only to be expected.

  58. Comment by J."Trashman" Peden on 1/3 @ 7:10 am #

    #4: “Yes, all that is clearly a chunk of vomit.”

    See, I didn’t know #4 was sarcasm. I thought it was an honest evaluation, since, well, it really is a chunk of vomit.

    Ditto, courtesy of critical thinking’s ability to readily recognize infantile white trash.

    For a teenager still carrying around some old feelings of insecurity, the reaction of my classmates was more music to my ears.

    Well, boo fucking hoo – and which partially explains Huff Po’s oso Progressive psychodynamics.

  59. Comment by BJTexs on 1/3 @ 7:13 am #

    On a further note: No Child Left Behind isn’t the answer either. Money gets naturally funneled to the neediest (educationally) students while more gifted ones are often left to fend for themselves. The standardized testing is too rigid. Its incarnation was necessary in this way: It forced teachers to again concentrate on imparting knowledge and training skill sets, even if the teaching went to sullenly “practicing for the test.”

    What’s the solutions? Beats me. It’s not what Ayers suggests, that schools have “inadequate resources.” That dog won’t hunt.

  60. Comment by Bender Bending Rodriguez on 1/3 @ 7:35 am #

    In a better world, men would use violence to achieve their political goals, RoA?

    Wow. What kind of simpleton would attempt to make this point in defense of Bill Freaking Ayers? The kind of simpleton whose irony-ometer is on the fritz.

  61. Comment by Flumps on 1/3 @ 7:45 am #

    Wow. What kind of simpleton would attempt to make this point in defense of Bill Freaking Ayers? The kind of simpleton whose irony-ometer is on the fritz.

    It’s amazing, isn’t it?

  62. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/3 @ 7:49 am #

    Ayers should enjoy his moment. The instant he becomes an embarrassment for Teleprompter Jesus, he’ll go under the bus faster than Cindy Sheehan.

    Remember her?

  63. Comment by MarkD on 1/3 @ 8:00 am #

    Has Elliot Spitzer been asked to write a dating advice column yet?

    The Puffing Town Host readers could use one.

  64. Comment by Ric Locke on 1/3 @ 8:06 am #

    #59 BJ: I will quarrel with that to this extent: “solutions” have to be selected from the available set of possible actions. It would be very nice — compassionate! — to give the handicapped better mobility by exempting them from the Law of Gravity, but that ain’t one of the choices.

    The function of NCLB was and is to compel the “educational” establishment to teach something. It works, too — I’m already seeing a (small) improvement in things like math skills. But it could not have passed without being larded up with “social justice” provisions, and if it does in fact produce a majority of kids at least dimly aware that 2 + 2 is neither five nor three it is some small increment over nothing.

    Regards,
    Ric

  65. Comment by B Moe on 1/3 @ 8:18 am #

    No Child Left Behind isn’t the answer either. Money gets naturally funneled to the neediest (educationally) students while more gifted ones are often left to fend for themselves.

    It is the answer if you are trying to corner the market on the dumbass vote.

    The standardized testing is too rigid. Its incarnation was necessary in this way: It forced teachers to again concentrate on imparting knowledge and training skill sets, even if the teaching went to sullenly “practicing for the test.”

    I don’t understand what is wrong with this. As long as the skill sets are the basic essentials: math, grammar, spelling, reading for comprehension, maybe some fundamental logic, history and economics. What I mean is, if the test is set up to determine if the student is ready for the next grade, what is wrong with teaching to the test? What else should an instructor be teaching, other than what the student needs to achieve his or her goal?

  66. Comment by sears poncho on 1/3 @ 9:00 am #

    “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.” — Bill Ayers.

    Look, the guy could not even teach his own kid (or even Boudin’s kid for that matter) this simple lesson. I don’t see him as the answer to a math curriculum.

  67. Comment by Joe on 1/3 @ 9:20 am #

    Can we now describe Bill Ayers as a Friend of Barack?

  68. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/3 @ 11:03 am #

    Cleanliness is next to godliness, darleen.

    So is controling the world’s most visited blog.

    Thanks, Snippy, I’m going to feel better about buying my Pledge and Tide HE at Walmart today.

  69. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/3 @ 11:03 am #

    Cleanliness is next to godliness, darleen.

    So is controling the world’s most visited blog.

    Thanks, Snippy, I’m going to feel better about buying my Pledge and Tide HE at Walmart today.

  70. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/3 @ 11:09 am #

    Sorry about the double post…

    Having read a significant chunk of Ayer’s writings on education I can tell you that while Ayers may talk a good game about “democratic educations” and “inspiring students to think for themselves” he is really asking for a curriculum that will persuade students to come to the proper conclusions.

    So very true. Ayers wants us to think that these “young skulls full of mush” will take to the Socratic method like ducks to water, but the reality is he’s filling them with mindless political energy while retaining the power to orient them in the direction he chooses. He’s intent on building an army of revolutionary robots who think they’re autonomous individuals…the perfect cover.

  71. Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/3 @ 11:12 am #

    How fucked up do you have to be to think “popular” == “correct”?

  72. Comment by Civilis aka Wet Blanket on 1/3 @ 11:20 am #

    How fucked up do you have to be to think “popular” == “correct”?

    I don’t know, quantitatively, how fucked up are our trolls? We need some kind of metric measurement of how fucked up something is.

    Seriously, I’d rather have a politician that does something that is necessary but unpopular rather than one that doesn’t do something necessary for the sake of his own reputation, or, worse, does something popular but harmful in the long run.

  73. Comment by Dash Rendar on 1/3 @ 11:23 am #

    In the Ayers paradigm, certain subjects are necessarily verboten. Western Civ, for one, is see as a vestige of the patriarchal white male racist hegemony and thus is eschewed in favor of the more “correct” Global Studies, which here in NJ is a staple of public school introductory history. So you have students learning about the history of Africa, with a minimum of one month spent of South Africa of course, then jumping straight into US History the next year without any context of the enlightenment or the philosophical/economic basis underlying it. There are however, certain niche classes like Latin where Western Civ is inadvertently, albeit incompletely, taught. The inchoate study of history in the public schools is a feature, not a bug.

  74. Comment by SDN on 1/3 @ 11:23 am #

    In the real world, people do use violence to achieve political goals. Bill and Bernadette are Exhibits A and B.

  75. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/3 @ 11:24 am #

    How fucked up do you have to be to think “popular” == “correct”?

    Fucked up enough to believe that a guy who planned to murder 25 million people was a “peace activist”.

    That’s why TrollHammer exists. And the Second Amendment.

  76. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/3 @ 11:37 am #

    Yeah, Dash, I don’t think Trust Fund Billy has in mind Plutarch, Livy and Aristotle as his curriculum headliners. More like Marcuse, Foucault and Mao.

  77. Comment by Diogenes on 1/3 @ 11:51 am #

    Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 1:24 am #

    In a better world, men would use violence to achieve their political goals, RoA?”

    Well why not? After all, this was simply another of Bill Ayers beliefs, wasn’t it? And he is such a brilliant, thoughtful, activiist, hero of yours on the left that we should take up his ideas and emulate his action, right?

    Time to move on I guess, it seems that I’ve not found an honest man in parsnip either.

  78. Comment by Rusty on 1/3 @ 12:10 pm #

    #62 re; Ayers
    It must be wonderful to have a life where you never have to question your choices. To have to weigh and evaluate those choices against a moral constant. To blissfully exempt yourself from reason. I wonder what it’s like.

  79. Comment by Joseph Stalin on 1/3 @ 12:19 pm #

    It’s simple Rusty, they need only adhere to the official Democrat party mantra, as espoused in the MSM party outlets, at all times.

    A neat trick indeed that they picked up from my guys and have employed since the late ’60’s!

  80. Comment by Spiny Norman on 1/3 @ 12:21 pm #

    It must be wonderful to have a life where you never have to question your choices. To have to weigh and evaluate those choices against a moral constant. To blissfully exempt yourself from reason. I wonder what it’s like.

    Ask parsnip, thor, or nishi.

  81. Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/3 @ 2:52 pm #

    Comment by Carin on 1/3 @ 6:53 am #

    In other words, it’s the latest attempt to mold the New Soviet Man.

  82. Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/3 @ 2:56 pm #

    “Comment by BJTexs on 1/3 @ 7:13 am #

    Comment by BJTexs on 1/3 @ 7:13 am #

    What’s the solutions?”

    One nun, 60 kids and an 18 inch ruler.

    And don’t think I’m joking about the 60 kids. Sometimes it was more.

  83. Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/3 @ 2:59 pm #

    “Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/3 @ 11:12 am #

    How fucked up do you have to be to think “popular” == “correct”?”

    alfie level fucked up.

  84. Comment by nikkolai on 1/3 @ 3:22 pm #

    parsnip aka alphie aka actus aka Talking Telephone Pole.

  85. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 3:24 pm #

    The Founding Fathers thought a popularity contest was the best way to select leaders.

    And blogs sure ain’t more refined than p0olitics.

  86. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/3 @ 4:01 pm #

    The Founding Fathers thought a popularity contest was the best way to select leaders.

    Dumbest nipply statement ever.

    Supreme Court: not directly elected.
    President: not directly elected.
    Senate: not directly elected until 1913.

    Under the original Constitution, the House (i.e., half of one branch) was the only component of the federal government that was plausibly a “popularity contest”.

  87. Comment by The Founding Fathers on 1/3 @ 4:06 pm #

    How dare you presume to speak for us parsnip? And if you do so, have your facts in order please!

  88. Comment by Jeffersonian on 1/3 @ 4:13 pm #

    Dumbest nipply statement ever.

    Supreme Court: not directly elected.
    President: not directly elected.
    Senate: not directly elected until 1913.

    Under the original Constitution, the House (i.e., half of one branch) was the only component of the federal government that was plausibly a “popularity contest”.

    A wonderful bitch-slap of Snippy.

  89. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 4:20 pm #

    Only if you decide that a vote in the electoral college isn’t a popularity contest.

    Still, you guys have been such losers lately I’m tempted to hand you a gimmee once in a while.

  90. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/3 @ 4:28 pm #

    Only if you decide that a vote in the electoral college isn’t a popularity contest.

    Bye, nipply.

  91. Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/3 @ 5:59 pm #

    Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 4:20 pm #

    Insane and stooopid is no way to go through life, alfie.

  92. Comment by parsnip on 1/3 @ 6:01 pm #

    No Brain,

    Being called stupid by a sad little man like yourself is not much of an honor, but it is an honor none the less.

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  94. Comment by br549 on 1/4 @ 3:26 pm #

    Popular doesn’t mean successful either. Soros had to give Huff Po 15 million to keep it going. Huffington had to start a blog. You can’t take her seriously when she speaks. The theme song from “Green Acres” immediately starts playing in my head every time I hear her speak, dahling.

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