Oh kewl, I got my Camp O! solicitation to participate in Barry’s lottery!
I see Ace and Michelle got theirs.
But why, really, is cash-flush Barry running a lottery for ten measly tickets? Here his camp is touting that the “little people” funded his campaign [snort, guffaw, lulz] and yet he wants more? And is only going to allow ten dirty-necked bourgeois out of millions to “win” a ticket?
See, I know odds are good I won’t be winning the homemade quilt or donated tv when I buy a chance or four from my neighbor’s kids’; but, I know my money is going to their school for field trips or musical instruments.
But what is Barry offering me?
In light of that even school bake sales are being banned, I believe I’ll save my “chances” for a more worthy endeavor.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/30 @ 10:53 pm #
Why, of course, he’s offering you a front row seat to hope-n-change Darleen…
Yours now for the low-low-low price of a donation to his never ending campaign…
But don’t get uppity amongst the glitterati; remember your place and that they’re doin’ it for you, man!
Comment by David Weisman on 12/30 @ 11:41 pm #
I’m sure he’ll be very upset you’re not interested in coming.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/30 @ 11:42 pm #
2012
Comment by Ted Nugent's Soul Patch on 12/30 @ 11:58 pm #
Why should I pay $5? Obama should be paying me by buying me a Senate seat. I hear the rates are at rock bottom prices now.
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 12/31 @ 12:12 am #
Is that even legal, this lottery?
And, since when is an inauguration “unprecedented”?
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 12:19 am #
And, since when is an inauguration “unprecedented�
I would explain it to you but I’m trying to quit racism this week.
Comment by geoffb on 12/31 @ 12:21 am #
PE Obama seems determined to recapitulate the entire eight years of the Clinton Administration in the less than 80 days he has between the election and his coronation. This is the farce version of the Clintons B&B style selling of overnights the Lincoln Bedroom and White House Coffees. Coronation Lotto!
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 12:21 am #
are you using a patch or gum for that, B Moe?
Comment by geoffb on 12/31 @ 12:22 am #
in the Lincoln Bedroom
Comment by panther girl on 12/31 @ 12:37 am #
On the other topic, I’m convinced that the reason parents aren’t allowed to bring homemade treats for school functions anymore has less to do with health issues and more to do with moms not wanting to be outdone by stay-at-home moms or working moms (like me) who know how to bake.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 12:37 am #
Nappy hair shirt.
Dammit! There I go again!
Comment by panther girl on 12/31 @ 12:39 am #
I’m sorry … or dads. It was implied but if you don’t know me well, you didn’t know that. (Though honestly, I don’t think it would occur to those particular moms that dads are good for anything but alimony and/or taking out the trash. Real women know better of course.)
Comment by NotSure on 12/31 @ 1:31 am #
Darleen – which would you prefer:
1) The economy markedly improves under Obama, thus ensuring his re-election.
2) The economy continues to a full-blown depression, making his re-election doubtful.
Comment by Sean M. on 12/31 @ 4:04 am #
I can’t speak for Darleen, but I’d pick…
3) The economy improves without Obama’s “help.”
But then again, cash infusions into his re-election campaign may just be the thing to get the economy moving in the right direction again, so I guess we should all start bidding on those ten tickets, right, NS?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 5:23 am #
Well even if it improves under his watch, adding TRILLIONS of dollars of national debt with the aid of a Democrat congress will definately cripple future generations. What is that though in the big scheme of things if it helps the Dems bail out their largest campaign contributors, unions, and socialize half the economy.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 5:32 am #
Funny I just got my Christmas bonus and the Government took 40 percent. God I can not wait until O! takes 50 percent of my crap to “save” the economy. What a freakin joke. What am I thinking though, after sales taxes and other fees I will probably be lucky to see 50% of my labor anyway.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 6:44 am #
I would prefer one. because it would be because of SeanMs three. I hope I am wrong about Obama and he turns out to be a hands off, small government, strong foreign policy kind of guy.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 6:53 am #
Hahahahhaha B Moe. That was funny. You got any more jokes this morning? No offense intended but that was hilarious.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 7:08 am #
Maybe he’ll prance about in waist-high waves, Darleen, tossing off his shirt in slow motion. There could be columns too.
Jesus did all that stuff is why I suggest it.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 7:09 am #
I’m NotSure that the somebody in #13 isn’t just all smug in her use of the false dichotomy.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 7:10 am #
I’m getting the sinking feeling that we will be pining for the days of President Carter with deep, deep nostalgia in the not to far distant future.
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 12/31 @ 7:11 am #
I can hope that Obama ends up like Solomon – but I fear I will have to change my expectations rather soon.
I guess we will all see soon enough.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 7:21 am #
I honestly do not feel like “hoping” Obama will turn out to be the exact opposite of what he has been and campaigned as.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 7:32 am #
Having lived through Carter, I am going to hope like a sumbitch that it doesn’t get that bad again. I do wonder if NotSure isn’t somehow questioning my patriotism.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/31 @ 7:33 am #
He’s the televangelist-in-chief. O! just needs to pick the denomination—can you say “the 999 club.”
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 12/31 @ 8:48 am #
“I would explain it to you but I’m trying to quit racism this week.”
Oh, I do hope we cover Bobby Rush’s claim that Roland Burris deserves the Illinois Senate seat, because otherwise there’d be no African-Americans in the Senate.
I do hope Kayne West now questions why the O!Messiah, who’s opposed to this appointment, apparently hates black people.
(For those who don’t follow the pigsty that is Illinois polictics, Bobby Rush is a Chicago congressman who’s also a former Black Panther. On the other hand, Wikipedia claims that during the 2000 primary race against then-state senator Obama, Rush said that O! “went to Harvard and became an educated fool.” So to be fair, one point to Congressman Rush.)
Comment by Salt Lick on 12/31 @ 9:04 am #
after sales taxes and other fees I will probably be lucky to see 50% of my labor anyway.
A medical specialist I know says he and his partner have decided to organize their practice around Obama’s new tax regime. For example, if high-tax rates are set at $250,000, they’ll each work only enough to reach that point, swapping off days on the job so each can take long vacations and enjoy their “diminished” salaries.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 9:11 am #
Well I was just told by someone at my work that they tax bonuses at the highest tax rate possible, thanks to one of the Clinton tax increases before 1994, so I would be f@cked anyway.
Comment by A Traveller from the Yeast on 12/31 @ 9:13 am #
No bake sales? Talk about moving the goal posts:
“It Will Be a Great Day When Our Schools Get all the Money They Need and the Air Force Has to Hold a Bake Sale to Buy a Bomber”
–Womens International League for Peace and Freedom, 1979.
Well, what now, then. Someone’s going to knead a lot of dough.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 9:14 am #
For example, if high-tax rates are set at $250,000, they’ll each work only enough to reach that point, swapping off days on the job so each can take long vacations and enjoy their “diminished†salaries.
Well, that’s if Tom Daschle allows them to even have a private practice.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 9:15 am #
Mr. Pink
My husband “shared” approx 40% of his Christmas bonus with the IRS this year.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 9:16 am #
Hey, I’ll donate some bread.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 9:24 am #
Yes so did I. I suspect it will get worse. Me and your husband are in the unfortunate situation that we will have to pay for all that “change you can believe in”.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 9:28 am #
Well, obviously no one is deserving of a bonus, thus it should be taxed to the utmost.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 9:28 am #
The sad thing to me is how many folks don’t even understand what that percentage means. Many of my poorer, left wing artist friends don’t understand why I bitch about paying 30-35% in taxes, since I make a lot more than them. The best way I can find to explain it to them is: if I didn’t have to pay taxes I could take 4 months a year off and still make the same money. Inevitably their eyes swell a bit, glaze over, then turn down to stare at their beer while they try to think of another subject to talk about.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 9:37 am #
If you want to break it down even further I work 14 hours a week for someone else. The rest of the time I am “allowed” to keep most of what I earned until I decide to spend it, in which case I am then taxed again. This is taxed even further considering the businesses that I purchase goods and services at have to work into their payroll taxes also.
I laugh when I hear people say that taxes will not get higher in the coming years because “Obama promised to lower taxes”. The guy raised more money than any other presidential candidate in history, and he is still asking for money in a recession. Does anyone truly think his mentallity will magically change when he gets in office?
Comment by mojo on 12/31 @ 9:45 am #
I believe I’ll save my “chances†for a more worthy endeavor.
Or one with a bigger payoff, anyway.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 9:48 am #
Oh, btw, before NotShirley starts whimpering that I haven’t properly addressed her demands
I’m hoping Obama is so further rattled by the reality of actually being POTUS that he steps back and starts governing from center-right. He’d be well served by reading some actual history on the Depression and learning that even as Hoover fumbled badly, it was FDR’s actions and policies that lengthened the Depression for years on end.
Markets cycle and the POTUS has only limited power to steer them – ill-conceived policies can blunt recoveries or prolong down times.
What worries me most about Barry is his ignorance of real life and how it works outside of the hothouse of academia/politics. For good or evil, his intention toward “the economy” that refuses to consider the rights of individuals to succeed means also allowing for the failures of individuals does not bode well.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 9:53 am #
I laugh when I hear people say that taxes will not get higher in the coming years because “Obama promised to lower taxesâ€Â.
I’ll join you on the laughter. When close to 50% of the people already pay nothing in fed income taxes, actual adults know that means the paying 50% are going to get bled more in order for Obama to transfer that wealth to the non-payers … while the government skims some off the top for itself.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 10:09 am #
We’ve GOT to start educating people about taxes. People are insane to accept this bullshit. The new ideas being floated of a VMT “fee” are popping up across the country. Revenue for gas taxes are going down, so they’re just going to tax the miles we travel. FUCK YOU if you were stupid enought o buy a fuel efficient car.
Soon, when people start walking or riding bikes more, they’ll figure out how to tax that.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 10:10 am #
I really hope campaign contributions are not deductable, then the people that voted for him will have to pay for this change twice.
Comment by TheGeezer on 12/31 @ 10:11 am #
When the non-payers have more than the payers, do statuses flip?
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 10:15 am #
When the non-payers have more than the payers, do statuses flip?
Well, that’s when the “payers” need to go on strike, ala “Atlas Shrugged.”
Which I finally finished, btw. The power was out Sunday, and I marathoned the last two hundred pages.
Am I a bad person for skimming though the 56-page John Galt speech?
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 10:29 am #
Am I a bad person for skimming though the 56-page John Galt speech?
Nah. I believe I kind of skimmed it the first time … it kind of spells out in detail the things you already know if you’ve been paying attention during the rest of the book.
Actually, some of the shorter speeches (ie the “love of money” one by Francisco and the “robin hood” one by Ragnar) are much better, IMHO.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 10:39 am #
“Inevitably their eyes swell a bit, glaze over, then turn down to stare at their beer while they try to think of another subject to talk about.”
They are really trying to think of how you’d drive home without roads, stop signs, and cops if you had your way with taxes.
“He’d be well served by reading some actual history on the Depression and learning that even as Hoover fumbled badly, it was FDR’s actions and policies that lengthened the Depression for years on end.”
I’m sure he knows the history. Just not the fringe revisionist Hannitized version.
Comment by geoffb on 12/31 @ 10:45 am #
I liked this part of the CBS interview.
Bobby Rush – Democrat, former Black Panther
Roland Burris – Democrat
Rod Blagojevich – Democrat
George Wallace – Democrat
Bull Connors – Democrat
US Senate – Democrat majority
Harry Reid – Democrat
It’s a Democratic Party Sweep.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 10:45 am #
But still worth a read when you have the time. Doesn’t take long.
Am going to auction a first edition, first printing in a few days, if anybody’s interested…
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 10:46 am #
“Well, that’s when the “payers†need to go on strike, ala “Atlas Shrugged.â€Â
Which I finally finished, btw. The power was out Sunday, and I marathoned the last two hundred pages.
Am I a bad person for skimming though the 56-page John Galt speech?”
Oh. My. God. Not another Ayn Randian.
I REALLY hope all you titans of industry drop out of the economy. Honestly. It will :
- reduce contributions to wacky fringe groups
- allow other, smarter and less adolescent people to take up the slack (invisible hand and all that)
- induce rage in the fringies when they realize their childish ideology is actually taking food off their table
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 10:47 am #
Fox is reporting now that Charles Barkely was arrested for DUI last night…OH, that’s a brutal mugshot
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 10:48 am #
“Am going to auction a first edition, first printing in a few days, if anybody’s interested…”
I’ll buy it. Almost out of TP over here.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 10:50 am #
Well, fool, when your pasta goes to $9 a pound, then you can “take up the slack.”
Moroooon….
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 10:56 am #
NotSure@13
Your choices are false because the economy is most certainly not in a depression now; I sense that you’ve bought into the MSM’s false meme on the magnitude of the recent downturn…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 10:56 am #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 10:39 am #
“Inevitably their eyes swell a bit, glaze over, then turn down to stare at their beer while they try to think of another subject to talk about.â€Â
They are really trying to think of how you’d drive home without roads, stop signs, and cops if you had your way with taxes.”
Shut up.
You’re an ignorant idiot.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 10:59 am #
I should have said you’re an ignoranus, stoopid AND and asshole.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 11:01 am #
Can we leave the troll alone to not derail one thread please?
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:05 am #
Nah. I believe I kind of skimmed it the first time … it kind of spells out in detail the things you already know if you’ve been paying attention during the rest of the book.
Actually, some of the shorter speeches (ie the “love of money†one by Francisco and the “robin hood†one by Ragnar) are much better, IMHO.
That’s what I figured. There wasn’t anything in the speech that was unknown at that point.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:06 am #
Oh. My. God. Not another Ayn Randian.
Memo to Mr. Ass. You can read Ayn Rand w/o becoming a “Randian.”
Honestly, I think liberals try to stigmatize her ideas because they are so frightening to them.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 11:08 am #
Carin@40
I’m obviously a lot older than you, my dear, but in the old school days they had a class in middle school called civics. This class focused on current events of national importance and was designed to both augement your knowledge from history class about the structure of the government as well as how it really worked. Also, a considerable amount of time was spent on taxes; not only filling out the forms but how the money was used and their ideological justification. It was a class that you took for two years in succession, usually the second and third year of moddle school (called junior high school back in the day!)…
It was probably done away with in favor of some more important topics like, you know, racism and social justice…
Comment by Veeshir on 12/31 @ 11:10 am #
“It Will Be a Great Day When Our Schools Get all the Money They Need and the Air Force Has to Hold a Bake Sale to Buy a Bomberâ€Â
–Womens International League for Peace and Freedom, 1979.
You know what else will be a great day? When our schools teach our children as well as our military trains our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines.
Geez, alfie really gets people going here. I used to like it when Jeff took a swipe at that 10 year old ignorant fool and it got all outraged and tried to act all superior.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 11:11 am #
Good point, Carin.
I don’t agree with Rand on a number of things, but she has a number of other things dead-on.
I still haven’t found a liberal who can win the war of ideas against Friedman or Hayek or the like.
They are afraid…
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:14 am #
Bob, I think that course has been replaced with the “how to put a condemn on a banana class.”
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:22 am #
“I don’t agree with Rand on a number of things, but she has a number of other things dead-on.”
Rand has some interesting ideas that ring true to me. Marx has some good ideas as well. But also like Marx, her most strident supporters, the children who would stop working to “stick it to the man”, take her too literally and are dangerous to America.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 11:23 am #
Mr Pink @ 55
I’m with you Pink. Lately I have found myself falling into the burmese troll trap and following them off the topic of the thread. In addition to lowering the level of discourse it brought out some ungentlemanly feelings and urges that disturb me and violate my personal code…
So I’ve decided to go back to ignoring them, and sticking to the discussion at hand…
Which in this case is O!&Co. apparently needing to run a continuous campaign very much like the Clintons did. And, the almost comic, Willy Wonka-esque, notion of a lottery to attend his “epic” and “historic” inauguration…
As one who’s been to a few, I can tell you this is one I’ll take a pass on, thank you…
While O! seems like an OK guy to share some wine and conversation with, he’s still not Presidential material. And, many of the liberal glitterati and hoi aristoi who are there are not exactly the type that I prefer to associate with…
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:24 am #
You’ve got names for any of those most strident supporters who are dangers to America? Care to spell out the danger? Should I be ascared of my book? Perhaps it needs burning?
Please advise.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:28 am #
“You’ve got names for any of those most strident supporters who are dangers to America? Care to spell out the danger? Should I be ascared of my book? Perhaps it needs burning?”
http://www.goingjohngalt.org/blog/
Not so much scary but pitiful.
Comment by geoffb on 12/31 @ 11:28 am #
We also had it in 10th grade and one of the subjects covered, an entire chapter, was propaganda techniques. Of course that’s a time when the schools system was generally opposed to socialism.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:31 am #
“Which in this case is O!&Co. apparently needing to run a continuous campaign very much like the Clintons did. And, the almost comic, Willy Wonka-esque, notion of a lottery to attend his “epic†and “historic†inauguration…”
What is the big deal? There are so many requests for tickets, a lottery is a reasonable way to accommodate the people who want to go. And it costs five fucking dollars. Enough to keep some kid in his basement from requesting a zillion lottery tickets but cheap enough to let just about anyone buy a chance.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:32 am #
Not so much scary but pitiful.
Yea, that’s really a sign of impending doom brought-upon by “Randians.” A blog with very few readers.
Now, let’s compare that with the dangers of communism.
Those murdered by “Randians” = zero.
Murder by communism= 94 millions.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:34 am #
assclown does so in order to derail serious conversation, Carin, not to even bother getting to, wait for it, classical liberalism, the ground work for the country.
Allow me to demonstrate this ass clown’s rhetorical derailments, the kind that illustrate the profoundly dishonest asymmetry of the liar why selects socialism because it serves envy and thievery:
Dangerous to America. Dangerous to America. Cue the breathless 6 o’clock news ticker music.
What an apt moniker, this liar has, Carin. Remember: Leftism isn’t a valid theory; it’s the place the envious, the dishonest, and the thieving end up so as to practice their trades. To expect rational debate from them is therefore folly, as would be, as I have proved time and again, to expect what amounts to a defensible position paper.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:37 am #
I know JHoward. It’s a riot. when called on the “danger”, even he have to admits that they are not – in actuality – dangerous.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 11:37 am #
“Honestly, I think liberals try to stigmatize her ideas because they are so frightening to them.”
See: Palin, Sarah.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:38 am #
assclown and thor, among other trolls, should be welcomed: Despite presenting pure rhetoric, evasion, denials, and other lies, they end up exemplifying fine arguments against leftism. They’re the door-crashers that trample truth and reason dead on their way to the intellectual discount racks when stores open on January 2oth.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 12/31 @ 11:39 am #
dangerously pitiful, though.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:39 am #
“Dangerous to America.”
You said it brother.
You should fire up that utopia in South America. The Randian anarchy where might makes right and all you “producers” can produce away without the yoke of government and taxes and representative democracy. Hard to produce without roads, though. Good luck with that.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 11:40 am #
“Marx has some good ideas as well.”
That’s all you’ll ever need to know about assclown.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:41 am #
The Randian anarchy where might makes right and all you “producers†can produce away without the yoke of government and taxes and representative democracy.
You didn’t actually READ “Atlas Shrugged”, did you?
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:42 am #
No, N. O’Brain – wasn’t Marx against child labor? That was a good idea.
Unlike Mr. Ass, I’ve actually read that which I criticize.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 11:43 am #
“Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:32 am #
Not so much scary but pitiful.
Yea, that’s really a sign of impending doom brought-upon by “Randians.†A blog with very few readers.
Now, let’s compare that with the dangers of communism.
Those murdered by “Randians†= zero.
Murder by communism= 94 millions.”
I know I’ve said it before, but the margin of error in estimating the number of people murdered by communism is larger than the entire Nazi Holocaust.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 11:46 am #
“Hard to produce without roads, though.”
No, he hasn’t read Rand.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:46 am #
“Those murdered by “Randians†= zero.
Murder by communism= 94 millions.”
Unfettered lobbying by Wall Street corporatists has led directly to our financial collapse. The idea that capital’s needs trump all others is dangerous to America.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 11:47 am #
Being “Dangerous to America” is probably what this guy accuses anyone who disagrees with his political opinions of. It is called being a facist.
“Your opinions are a danger to my country so they must be stopped”, instead of “I do not think your ideas are not good for my country, but this is a democracy so everyone gets to have their opinion heard until the majority make up their mind and that is the direction we go in”.
Comment by Veeshir on 12/31 @ 11:48 am #
But the commies meant well. I mean, everybody working and living in harmony, freedom, peace and equality? That’s so beautiful a rainbow, now, a unicorn spewing rainbows just shot out my ass.
I say, we try it one more time and this time, this time, we’ll get it right.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:48 am #
“You didn’t actually READ “Atlas Shruggedâ€Â, did you?”
Blow me, you jerkoff. I read it in college like every other American. Thought it was fantastic at the time, too. It stoked my ego and made me feel special. Then I got out into the world and realized Ayn Rand’s reality is twisted.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:49 am #
Might? You mean the tyranny of collectivism, assclown; that might? Or the might of originalism? Define your terms, assclown.
With regard to production, Washington DC just brought it to a screeching halt. That didn’t happen except for fiat currency, gross manipulation of markets, left-centric envy and theft as policy, and criminal neglect and corruption. An anarchy of the collective, you might call it and would if you had an honest bone in your bag of leftist tricks.
Hard to produce anything under “anarchy”, assclown, like the richest country in history, but you contradict yourself.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 11:50 am #
Pardon me this is a Representative Republic. Sorry for the error.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:50 am #
“Your opinions are a danger to my country so they must be stoppedâ€Â, instead of “I do not think your ideas are not good for my country, but this is a democracy so everyone gets to have their opinion heard until the majority make up their mind and that is the direction we go inâ€Â.
OH! So NOW you’re into loving all aspects of humanity and it’s diversity of opinion. That’s cute.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:51 am #
Financial collapse does not equal murder.
And, the current financial crises isn’t a result of unfettered Capitalism. We don’t HAVE unfettered Capitalism.
Regardless, most would disagree that capitalism is dangerous to America. Communism has failed absolutely every time it has been tried. Ever read about all the failed attempts at communal living right here in the US? Rand is SPOT on, as has been born-out in history. To each according to his ability, for each according to his needs will never, ever, work.
Man is flawed. He can only work for his own benefit. He may choose to help his fellow man (there, the benefit is that of goodwill), but only by his own motivation, not by force of state.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:52 am #
It’s a Constitutional Representative Republic, actually. Regardless, I await assclown’s history of wealth under collectivism. I bet you do too, Pink.
Entertain us, assclown.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 11:52 am #
assclown,
The vast majority of the inaugural ball tickets will go to the politicos and thise well connected. These few slots are a statistically insignifigant number of the overall number of spaces…
I’ts just another publicly demonstrative, but fundamentally empty, gesture; one meant to show how much O!&Co. appreciate! the plebs, but don’t really want to have to rub elbows with them too much…
I mean, why would they when there are so many of the, you know, better kind of prople, like rich lawyers, MSM personalities, prominent lobbyists[gasp], and Hollywood stars who they owe their ascendance to…
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 11:53 am #
Blow me, you jerkoff. I read it in college like every other American. Thought it was fantastic at the time, too. It stoked my ego and made me feel special. Then I got out into the world and realized Ayn Rand’s reality is twisted.
Aw, I hit a nerve. And, no I will not blow you.
It’s sad, because you don’t represent her ideas as if you’ve read the book. Perhaps it’s time you revisited it’s pages? Brush-up?
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:56 am #
Indeed. moreover, where do the ass clowns of the planet justify the encroaching socialization of this formerly constitutional structure of ultra-limited government and its express separation of powers and extensive, interlocking personal rights mandates?
See, it’s one thing to redefine reality into a socialist paradise — as assclown amply demonstrates — but I want to know where O!cialism gets its enumerated authority.
Entertain us, assclown. From where, precisely, will O!cialism derive its enumerated authority.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 11:57 am #
Carin, my money is on little sensitive assclown feeling the pressure of its lying. Define “it”, assclown.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:57 am #
“It’s a Constitutional Representative Republic, actually. Regardless, I await assclown’s history of wealth under collectivism. I bet you do too, Pink.
Entertain us, assclown.”
Your focus on terms is as telling as it is pointless. You know as well as I do that the US is called a representative democracy as well as your term and several others. Big whoop. I bet you were one of those sorority girls at chapter meetings who wanted to argue for hours on end about the color of the new pledge pins just so you could be proved right about something.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 11:59 am #
“Unfettered lobbying by Wall Street corporatists…”
has murdered how many again?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:59 am #
Now this is what I was waiting for. Please, I want to hear more about how Democrats are Commies in disguise who want to take all your money and give it to black people. It is very instructive. Paranoid, but instructive.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:00 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 11:46 am #
Unfettered lobbying by Wall Street corporatists has led directly to our financial collapse. The idea that capital’s needs trump all others is dangerous to America.”
No, a form of financial affirmative action, mandated and encouraged by the federal government, created and protected by the Democrats on capital hill, has led directly to our financial collapse…
Just as it has led to the mediocraty that is present amongst US government employees and in the ranks of our public school teachers…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:01 pm #
“OH! So NOW you’re into loving all aspects of humanity and it’s diversity of opinion. ”
Hell, he doesn’t even read the blog he’s posting on.
Pitiful, just pitiful.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:01 pm #
“And, the current financial crises isn’t a result of unfettered Capitalism. We don’t HAVE unfettered Capitalism. ”
That isn’t what I said and you know it. Liar.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:01 pm #
But regardless, entertain us, assclown. Failing your elaboration of O!cialism Under the Constitution™, regale us with tales of prosperity and freedom under redistributionism and the tyranny that enables same. Assuming you skate right past the contradiction in terms like you’re a liar or something.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:02 pm #
Except, assclown, the current financial crises isn’t the result of unfettered Capitalism. We don’t have unfettered Capitalism. Liar.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:03 pm #
“No, a form of financial affirmative action, mandated and encouraged by the federal government, created and protected by the Democrats on capital hill, has led directly to our financial collapse…”
The only people who believe this are the disaffected fringe. Sad.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 12:03 pm #
Well, Mr. Ass, as the Democrats advance more and more socialist policies … higher (and MORE!) taxes, redistribute it (while stealing a bit for themselves), “Universal” healthcare, more pay for teachers (regardless of performance)- they creep closer and closer to socialism. But, I’m not foolish enough to believe they are actually going to make the lives of ‘po folk better. Because socialism doesn’t work. It merely drags us all down.
Just like in “Atlas Shrugged.”
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:04 pm #
How would you redefine forcing minority-based lending laws that ruin systems, assclown? Remember, your rhetorical rules, your rhetorical funeral.
Threaten me, assclown. Failing that, which is assured, at least entertain me. So far it’s working.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 12:06 pm #
“Now this is what I was waiting for. Please, I want to hear more about how Democrats are Commies in disguise who want to take all your money and give it to black people. It is very instructive. Paranoid, but instructive.”
What that is instructive is you obviously think everyone here is evil and racist. Hence why I said what I did earlier. You obviously think we are both of those because not only have you said so before, you then give yourself carte blanche to say whatever you want, because since we are evil and racist, our opinions do not matter, again which you have said. Now you are trying to imply again, that it is really US that is making you act the way you do, and making you spout racist comments on here.
You are a model American and to dispute anything you say is evil and unpatriotic.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:06 pm #
I think I got it figured out:
assclown is the Abyss that Nietzsche warned about, an endless, bottomless pit of hate, despair and despite.
There’s no there there.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:07 pm #
“How would you redefine forcing minority-based lending laws that ruin systems, assclown? Remember, your rhetorical rules, your rhetorical funeral.
Threaten me, assclown. Failing that, which is assured, at least entertain me. So far it’s working.”
There is absolutely ZERO proof these lending laws led to the financial collapse. ZERO. I refute your starting thesis. It is nonsense and utterly unsupportable. Show me the percentage of bad loans related to these laws and then we can talk, fuckstick.
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 12:08 pm #
That isn’t what I said and you know it. Liar.
Well, excuse me, ’cause half the time I really can’t figure out what the hell you’re trying to say.
So … lobbyist lead to the current financial crises?
Good thing no lobbyists supported Obama! Let’s be careful to not connect the dots. The answer may be unseemly at such an historic time.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:08 pm #
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:07 pm #
Howze about you providing proof that they didn’t?
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:08 pm #
The only people who believe this are the fringe who trust reality, assclown. Sad.
Actually, the root cause goes to the systemic problems of fiat currency, assclown, but you have enough evident trouble responding to a buzzer and a morsel of hamster chow so we’ll leave that aside for now.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:11 pm #
Aw. Show me the cause of the financial crisis, assclown. Your rules, your funeral. You’re simply way too dim to have me proving life to a liar for no effect.
Show me what you think is the cause of the financial crisis, assclown. I know what it is.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:11 pm #
“Howze about you providing proof that they didn’t?”
That’s a neat trick. Why don’t you prove your momma isn’t fat?
Comment by Carin on 12/31 @ 12:11 pm #
Lending laws certainly lead to the collapse of housing values in my neighborhood, Mr. Ass.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:11 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:03 pm #
“No, a form of financial affirmative action, mandated and encouraged by the federal government, created and protected by the Democrats on capital hill, has led directly to our financial collapse…â€Â
The only people who believe this are the disaffected fringe. Sad.”
Well then what do you call CRA? And the expanded mandate of Fannie/Freddie under Clinton? And the absolute refusal of fellows like Chris Dodd or Barney Frank, both leaders of their party’s groups in their respective comittees if not tthat same comittee’s chair, to entertain the idea of greater regulation and oversight of the GSEs; a proposition advanced by Boooooosh! several times during the last 8 years…
Please explain how this all has nothing to do with the current financial mess. And then, please explain the genesis of that same financial mess…
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:12 pm #
“Aw. Show me the cause of the financial crisis, assclown. Your rules, your funeral. You’re simply way too dim to have me proving life to a liar for no effect.
Show me what you think is the cause of the financial crisis, assclown. I know what it is.”
Attention crazy ass – you made the claim, you back it up. Coward.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 12:15 pm #
This is like talking tax policy with a guy you see talking to himself outside of a homeless shelter.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:19 pm #
I just did, assclown, as much as I’m going to bother with a flagrant liar. Linky, boy. Use it. You want to go all nuclear on the basis of what rings only behind your eyesockets, then die by your rules, assclown. Again and again.
That done, the cause is a sequence of events, all enabled by fiat currency and instigated directly by a combination of anti-market Democrat-Socialist lending mandates, systemic corruption at FM and FM, and faulty financial instruments and the central banks inflating the housing bubble until it burst, which Austrian economic theory — the fmonetary equivalent of classical liberalism, assclown — predicted. The perfect storm of exactly what Carin told you in #87, assclown, and not a dime of it due to Randian, originalist, hard-currency theory. You angry little, lying ass clown.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:19 pm #
N.O’Brain @ 105
You are absolutely correct sir…
assclown @ 106,
There is plenty of proof, but I can see where your semantics game will go with this. Because not all subprime loans were made to low income folks, then CRA and Fannie/Freddie get a pass. But this argument ignores the simple fact that these vehicles would not have existed save for their creation in response to CRA, and their becoming widespread by the fact that Fannie/Freddie were committing up to 25% of their portfolio purchases in a given year to acquiring them. Simply because the banks chose to use these same vehicles to make loans to folks with reasonable or good cresit too does not absolve the government of the responsibility for their genesis.
And you know as well as anyone else that all the statistics are not out, aggregated, nor are available yet…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:21 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:11 pm #
“Howze about you providing proof that they didn’t?â€Â
That’s a neat trick.”
Why?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:21 pm #
“The only people who believe this are the fringe who trust reality, assclown. Sad.
Actually, the root cause goes to the systemic problems of fiat currency, assclown, but you have enough evident trouble responding to a buzzer and a morsel of hamster chow so we’ll leave that aside for now.”
You are truly insane. That link is to a video with proof of what, exactly? Nothing. You have nothing because the fantasy of CRA causing the housing and financial crisis is founded on bullshit. It is a convenient scapegoat and nothing more. Nobody believes it except partisan hacks such as yourselves.
As for fiat money – How many times has the US GDP multiplied since 1971? Next.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 12/31 @ 12:21 pm #
“Now this is what I was waiting for. Please, I want to hear more about how Democrats are Commies in disguise who want to take all your money and give it to black people. It is very instructive. Paranoid, but instructive.”
LOL…Yep, just as I said. Stupid and an asshole. First thing dumbassclown. You were asked to make a point to back up your claim. Any point. Valid or not. Instead, you start demanding answers to the questions stored in that fever swamp you call a mind. All your straw men aside, can you answer JHoward’s questions?
Of course, you people may not recall dumbassclown’s previous moniker. But do we all remember a sniveling twit begging Jeff not get him into trouble with his work after he said and/or did some reprehensible things? Yep, that’s the pansy calling other people cowards.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/31 @ 12:21 pm #
We live in an industrial economy. The nice thing about an industrial economy is that it throws off a lot of surplus, so we can have all kinds of luxuries.
The defining characteristic of an industrial economy is that the “means of production” must themselves be produced. Factories have to be built. That takes materials and labor, resources. The materials and labor to build a factory must themselves be produced, using materials and labor that must be produced… it’s turtles all the way down.
We have a special name for the resources used to produce the means of production: capital. That’s all the word means, and investing it with some scary overtones is foolishness. Without capital there are no factories. Without factories there is no industrial economy. Without an industrial economy there is no surplus, and without the surplus the luxuries we take for granted — clean water, abundant food, plenty of leisure time, all of which would be regarded as utter luxury by, say, a citizen of the Roman Empire — go away. One of the most important luxuries you would lose if there is no industrial economy is egalitarianism. All of the nasty features of an agricultural economy, including slavery and class/caste systems, exist because an agricultural economy doesn’t throw off enough surplus to support more than a small minority in anything like luxury.
If capital has the first shot at resources, lots of factories get built and lots of surplus gets produced. If capital isn’t high on the priority list for allocation of resources, factories don’t get built and surpluses don’t get produced. Your statement is equivalent to saying you want to see the industrial economy be destroyed.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:23 pm #
JH and Boob Red -
So you got nothing but fairy tales and campfire ghost stories. I expected as much.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:25 pm #
Obstreperous Infidel @ 120,
Please sir, name that previous moniker, the ineffable, that which must not be spoken…
Inquiring minds want to know..
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:25 pm #
“But do we all remember a sniveling twit begging Jeff not get him into trouble with his work after he said and/or did some reprehensible things?”
I took note of what happened but it wasn’t me. Does the fact that I brought up that incident worry you?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:26 pm #
“Your statement is equivalent to saying you want to see the industrial economy be destroyed.”
Bingo.
The Abyss eating the productive.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:27 pm #
Well put, as always Ric…
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:28 pm #
Ooooh! But I LIKE that Boob Red wants to know that guys name! Will he call his boss? Will he get his address and send him a nasty letter? Inquiring minds want to know, indeed.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:29 pm #
Sure — you have nothing, assclown, that much is clear. Why would anyone “debate” with such lying and, yes, partisan subjectivity and enduring that utterly reality-detached rhetoric? Answer me that, assclown. You are, in fact, a profound loss of rationality and accountability; a chronic liar and unled by either reason or reality.
You want to trade barbs now? You bore me.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:29 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:28 pm #
Ooooh! But I LIKE that Boob Red wants to know that guys name! Will he call his boss? Will he get his address and send him a nasty letter? Inquiring minds want to know, indeed.”
Yeah, he’s got nothing.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:29 pm #
“Your statement is equivalent to saying you want to see the industrial economy be destroyed.â€Â
That is absurd. If you truly believe this than you are incapable of having this “rational discourse” pw.com prides itself on supporting.
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 12:32 pm #
And now the dodging and insults are in high gear, and our thread aboutthe Obama lottery is fully derailed…
While I have enjoyed some of the discussion it is getting tiresome, and it’s only a matter of time before the dial on the intellect scale goes to peurile; regardless of the erudite commentary provided by Ric, JHoward, OI, Pink, and other regulars…
Since any hope of rational discussion seems finished, I’m going to choose to ignore any further commentary by assclown on this thread…
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:34 pm #
Why don’t you rebut the thesis, then, assclown? If we’re just doing declarations, you are absurd. And the national sentiment, expressed in the comments herein, is that you are an utter failure.
Got an actual argument?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:34 pm #
See, this is what I mean.
“If capital isn’t high on the priority list for allocation of resources,”
Show me where I said this isn’t true. I never did. Capitalism made America great but we can’t subsume all other interests in it’s glory.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:36 pm #
“Got an actual argument?”
Um,,,,,,,no.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:37 pm #
My point is – you are allowed to type out fringe paeans to perfect capitalism, something that has never and will never exist, but when I note common and accepted things like the cause of the financial collapse, I’m attacked. I guess that’s what the fringe is all about.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:38 pm #
Capital is the vehicle of production. Without capital, all other interests go hungry.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:39 pm #
“Why don’t you rebut the thesis,”
What thesis? All I’ve gotten is a link to a video and some wet dreams disguised as polemic. Like I said, nobody believes the CRA caused the housing crisis and you alienate yourselves by clinging to such a ludicrous position.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:40 pm #
“Capital is the vehicle of production. Without capital, all other interests go hungry.”
Oh bullshit. Why don’t we euthanize adults when they are no longer able to work, then?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:41 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:39 pm #
“Why don’t you rebut the thesis,â€Â
What thesis? All I’ve gotten is a link to a video and some wet dreams disguised as polemic.”
Says the wild-eyed, drooling fanatic.
You’re pitiful.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:41 pm #
And by that you mean this?
And you think that’s common and accepted wisdom? That played a part, but the field on which financiers played was not made by them. There’s another root cause. Do you know what it is? Hint: Scroll up.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:43 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:40 pm #
“Capital is the vehicle of production. Without capital, all other interests go hungry.â€Â
Oh bullshit. Why don’t we euthanize adults when they are no longer able to work, then?”
Why do you keep constructing straw men?
Give a rational argument to defend, well, whatever your position is.
Other than drooling, mindless hatred of America.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:44 pm #
“Do you know what it is? Hint: Scroll up.”
yes, yes, the CRA and black people. I get it.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:44 pm #
Why don’t we cover the moon in Fluff!?! At least that would be an interesting non sequitur. Really, you can do better than that, can’t you?
Comment by Salt Lick on 12/31 @ 12:44 pm #
Talking with a realtor-cousin over Christmas offered yet more insight into the subprime mortgage debacle. She said that not only had the 20%-down requirement been dropped (mandated) in recent years, but then she started seeing a surge in sales where the seller paid all closing costs.
In other words, people who could save neither a down payment or closing costs were able to buy homes.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:44 pm #
“Why do you keep constructing straw men?
Give a rational argument to defend, well, whatever your position is.
Other than drooling, mindless hatred of America.”
Hey, you are the one claiming capital’s interests trump all others. Put up or shut up.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:46 pm #
OK. Capital is the vehicle of production. Without capital, all other interests go hungry.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:47 pm #
OK. Capital is the vehicle of production. Without capital, all other interests go hungry.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:47 pm #
[mhehe]
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 12:47 pm #
Salt Lick I recently bought a house. I looked at only foreclosures and must have seen at least 20. 75% of them were using every room as a bed room, one had even had walled off half the kitchen to use as an extra bed room. Of those I would say 80 percent were owned by Hispanics and had spanish writing on the walls and every appliance missing. They were not only doing what you said, but they were giving loans to people with no social security number. I think you can see where I am going with this. Que assclowns calls of racism.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:48 pm #
“Hey, you are the one claiming capital’s interests trump all others.”
What are these “other interests” you keep nattering about?
C’mon, fuckstick, you seem like an intelligent creature.
Give us an example of the “other interests”.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:49 pm #
“Que assclowns calls of racism.”
No, I’d ask how you got from the CRA to your anecdote.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:50 pm #
A ten dollar word, polemic, for what was, in fact, a mere direct response to your folly, assclown. As always, your rules, your funeral.
If you want to blame solely the lobby, be my guest and I’ll agree with you in the apparent ratio of the apparent lobby influences that enabled this collapse. They added to, among the variables I pointed out to you and you denied, liar, the fact that regulation did not prevent this collapse. What do you call ALan Greenspan’s and Ben Bernake’s entire professional function, assclown, if not regulation?
Must I repeat myself, liar? Again? Do you want to argue that money supplies are not involved? That the GDP is not denominated in fiat dollars? That FM & FM weren’t shot through with cooked books and systemic insolvency by the fact they worked monetary Fed entities significantly under the influences of Democratic legislators bowing to their collectivist constituents?
At what point are your many detractors here admitted to have you absolutely dead to rights, assclown? Not only are you flagrantly dishonest, you’re simple.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 12/31 @ 12:50 pm #
Why would that worry me, dumbass? It was you, you sniveling twit. The irony of a sniverling twit calling anyone a coward is amazing is all.
And Bob, I can’t recall the other moniker. Something shortlived.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:50 pm #
“Give us an example of the “other interestsâ€Â.”
Keeping non-productive members of society alive. Like Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:52 pm #
You don’t even remotely get it, assclown, not as long as you lie through your teeth: You were and are presented a fuller menu of contributors to the crisis and still you deny them. You are a lair.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:52 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:50 pm #
“Give us an example of the “other interestsâ€Â.â€Â
Keeping non-productive members of society alive. Like Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids.”
Tell me how you keep them alive in a stone-age society.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:53 pm #
Tell me how many Alzheimer drugs were produced in the Soviet Union.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:53 pm #
#154 Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:50 pm #
I see you are indeed beaten hollow on points, assclown. Be man enough to admit it.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:53 pm #
Without production, they’re the first to die. Without capital, there is no production.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:53 pm #
Tell me how many Special Olympics were held under Pol Pot.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:54 pm #
“At what point are your many detractors here admitted to have you absolutely dead to rights, assclown?”
Ha. Yeah. Money supplies are involved, loose credit is involved, the revolving money door with China is involved. So what? The CRA is not involved and that’s my point.
Comment by Christopher Taylor on 12/31 @ 12:54 pm #
What’s funny here is that he claims the inauguration won’t be paid for by corporations or lobbyists. When it ends up being almost entirely funded by corporations, what will the answer be? Probably the same thing when he changed his story on fifty other issues: that’s a distraction, I’ve answered that, we need to move on.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:54 pm #
Tell me how you can be so fucking stupid.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:55 pm #
I expected this. The onus is on you to tell me how Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids serve capital’s interests. If you say “it makes producers happy” well then, kudos. You can cram any argument into that little hidey hole.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 12:55 pm #
Your point is actually a lie.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:56 pm #
Hey, you know how the Netherlands is all nice and socialistically collective?
Dutch legalise euthanasia
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:56 pm #
“I see you are indeed beaten hollow on points, assclown. Be man enough to admit it.”
I admit I’m fond of the incredibly dense partisan hackery here.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:57 pm #
“Your point is actually a lie.”
And yet nobody has been able to show that. Crazy.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:57 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:55 pm #
I expected this. The onus is on you to tell me how Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids serve capital’s interests.”
No, fuckstick, the onus is on you to us how you keep them alive in a stone age society, Or a communist one, not that there’s much difference between the two.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:58 pm #
They don’t. They don’t have to. And yet free market conservatives argue for their protection while socialists prefer them dead, especially Downs kids. Why do you suppose that is?
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 12:59 pm #
Assclown, go watch this, and then come back and tell us how he is wrong, please.
http://reason.tv/video/show/626.html
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 12:59 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:57 pm #
“Your point is actually a lie.â€Â
And yet nobody has been able to show that. Crazy.”
It’s been proven several times.
Your just too fucking stupid to admit when you’ve got beaten with the Cluestickâ„¢.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 12:59 pm #
“They don’t. They don’t have to. And yet free market conservatives argue for their protection while socialists prefer them dead, especially Downs kids. Why do you suppose that is?”
Both you and NOB have managed to twist your own argument back onto itself. Thanks for the concession. I accept.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 1:00 pm #
“Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 12:58 pm #
The onus is on you to tell me how Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids serve capital’s interests.
They don’t. They don’t have to. And yet free market conservatives argue for their protection while socialists prefer them dead, especially Downs kids. Why do you suppose that is?”
Progressives were big promoters of euthanasia.
And the Nazis.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
“I see you are indeed beaten hollow on points, assclown. Be man enough to admit it.â€Â
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
“The onus is on you to tell me how Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids serve capital’s interests.”
I mean my memory sucks just as much as the next guy but didn’t one side of the political divide was decrying the fact that a Vice Presidential nominee had actually had the gall to carry a kid with Down Syndrome to term instead of having an abortion? I mean that did happen right? I am not imagining things am I?
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
What concession? I think you’re hallucinating.
Why do you suppose it is that conservatives are both pro capitalism and pro life, while progressives are neither?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
“It’s been proven several times.”
Not even close. The percentage of loans subject to CRA is low and in any case does not prove anything because nobody knows if they would have been able to get a loan regardless. So fuck off with your partisan hackery.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
Point, set and match to PW.
You’re too stupid to argue with any more, fuckstick.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 1:01 pm #
I would like to back it up a bit, since I was out for awhile.
Unfettered lobbying by Wall Street corporatists has led directly to our financial collapse.
I would rebut that with your own words:
Attention crazy ass – you made the claim, you back it up.
Could you explain this theory in a little more detail, please?
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 1:03 pm #
While the leader of that side also talked about not wanting his children punished with his grandchildren, IIRC.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:03 pm #
You’re immune to fact, reason, or for that matter, reality, assclown.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:04 pm #
The video at Reason proves him wrong…..
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:04 pm #
“Point, set and match to PW.”
Ha. Whatever makes you feel better. You are a BIG boy!
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:05 pm #
What caused the financial collapse, assclown? If you wish, I can link you to an entire universe of very hard data with which to compose your thesis. Shall I? I prefer reality-based reality.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:05 pm #
You have nothing. Nothing. Partisan hack. Liar.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:06 pm #
What caused the financial collapse, assclown?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:06 pm #
“The video at Reason proves him wrong…..”
I have no doubt you believe this. A wingnut welfare queen claims something untrue, news at eleven.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 1:06 pm #
Keeping non-productive members of society alive. Like Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids.
Hmmmm…. and just which party/ideology attacked Gov. Palin for giving birth to Trigg and carries bumperstickers “Free Mumia, kill Terri”?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/31 @ 1:07 pm #
“The percentage of loans subject to CRA is low and in any case does not prove anything because nobody knows if they would have been able to get a loan regardless.”
Noone used to be able to get loans without at least 5% down and a social security number.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:07 pm #
Learn to use formatting tags, assclown. Simpleton and liar.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:09 pm #
“What caused the financial collapse, assclown?”
Many things. I noted them above. Not the CRA. “Game, set, match”. That was easy!
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 1:09 pm #
And then there was “predatory lending” which is when you give loans to people who can’t pay them back and get stuck with an upside down house.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:11 pm #
“Learn to use formatting tags, assclown. Simpleton and liar.”
Next thing you know, you’ll attack my poor hygiene! Uncle, I give!
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 1:11 pm #
What Sir Ass eithers ignores or is ignorant of is that the more liberty people have to pursue their own interests (ie capitalism) the more they also participate in charitable concerns.
Every study has shown that conservatives give more per capita as percentage of income to charity than leftists. Certainly it was clearly demonstrated looking at what McCain and Palin have given to charity over the years vs what Barry and Joe have. Biden is especially Scroogy with his own earnings while spendthrift in supporting any legislation that comes down the pike that takes from his neighbor’s pocket.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:11 pm #
Was the Fed involved, assclown? To what degree? To what degree and by what mechanism did the lobby bring down the monetary system, assclown?
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:13 pm #
He ignores the evidence of CRA involvement…go watch the video at Reason. After, come and dispute it. Until then, you have no credibility.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:13 pm #
Learn to use formatting tags, assclown. Your dishonesty is poor enough form; incivility and ignorance kinda completes the picture, one supposes. Liar.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:13 pm #
You ignore the evidence of CRA involvement…go watch the video at Reason. After, come and dispute it. Until then, you have no credibility.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/31 @ 1:14 pm #
Oh. The infant is back. That’s disappointing cause I just got me some Baracky ‘naguration tickets and was all set to tell you guys how excited I am for all the easy drunk progg chicks.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:16 pm #
And Darleen the scold appears to lecture us all on morality. Hoorah!
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/31 @ 1:16 pm #
Has there been any evidence of an independent thought, or some variation from neolithic syntax in clown’s posts yet?
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 1:16 pm #
Did you absorb the Reason clip, assclown, or are you going to merely call names?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:17 pm #
“go watch the video at Reason.”
Um. No. Like I said, the percentage of loans is too low. I don’t care what some partisan hack has to say. That’s all for you sheep, not me.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:17 pm #
oh, is it stupid question day?
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/31 @ 1:18 pm #
But especially the ones who are in to art. All you gotta do is be like, hey girl, I’m a draw figures, and figure skate on the side. Bush, you say? Yea, screw bush. O, the guy? Yea he sucks too.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:18 pm #
I’d still like to hear how Alzheimer’s patients and Down’s kids serve capital’s interests. Hurry!
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:18 pm #
It’s 25 minutes of one of those booorinnng subjects like economics…much too unenlightened for a liberal to sit through.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/31 @ 1:19 pm #
“the percentage of loans is too low”
Does it even know what the percentage is? Does it know that banks bought subprime backed securities? Do you think it knows what a CDO or an SIV is?
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:20 pm #
“Um. No. Like I said, the percentage of loans is too low. I don’t care what some partisan hack has to say. That’s all for you sheep, not me.”
Ignoring the evidence: You’re done.
And unfortunately for you, exceedingly callow…
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/31 @ 1:23 pm #
Assman I think we’re all still waiting for you to give your graduate thesis on the financial crisis that extends beyond “wall street bad.” Or you could just take your miasma elsewhere.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:23 pm #
the bunnies are right over there! look! they’re scampering away!!!
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 1:25 pm #
See #170. And answer the question you find there.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 1:26 pm #
Ah, this is the part where assclown suggests that we ignore him.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:27 pm #
“Ignoring the evidence: You’re done.”
I’ll dig up some links to extreme frothing left wing hacks and ask for your opinion. Gimme a sec.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:28 pm #
“See #170. And answer the question you find there.”
#164. I win!
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:29 pm #
No, you haven’t take the time to watch the video: You don’t get to ignore our evidence whilst expecting us to review yours.
You’re done
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:31 pm #
“No, you haven’t take the time to watch the video: You don’t get to ignore our evidence whilst expecting us to review yours.”
Look, moron. I can’t watch every hack video you dig up. Ok? You aren’t that special.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:31 pm #
Oh, yeah, I forgot, you are a “extreme frothing left wing hack…”
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:32 pm #
two comments and still no links….
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:32 pm #
you had five minutes and you only asked for a sec….
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:36 pm #
“Look, moron. I can’t watch every hack video you dig up. Ok?”
If you ignore the evidence, then don’t expect to be cognitively engaged.
You asked for fact to highlight our position. You were given said fact and chose to ignore it, thereby making yourself, shall we say, ineligible for cognitive exchange.
Go ahead, continue to embarrass yourself by avoiding factual debate..
Comment by Slartibartfast on 12/31 @ 1:43 pm #
Unselfawareness: not just for breakfast anymore.
Comment by parsnip on 12/31 @ 1:46 pm #
extreme frothing left wing hack…
Perhaps so, Yorkie.
But I’m in a majority.
Darleen and Co. belong to a very tiny minority.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:48 pm #
just like the Nazis.
Comment by B Moe on 12/31 @ 1:48 pm #
And lynch mobs.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 1:48 pm #
Parsnip,
Good afternoon, if it is afternoon where you are!
Re: your comment: maybe…we’ll see.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:49 pm #
and… and… Christians!!
oh wait…
Comment by parsnip on 12/31 @ 1:52 pm #
Maggie beats Darleen to the Nazi card?
Isn’t that a breach of wingnut protocol?
Israel’s broke and Bush is threatening to cut off Israel’s annual $5 billion welfare check, York.
Long term doesn’t matter.
Olmert the Loser has barely enough time to launch an ineffective ground assault.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 1:54 pm #
Nope, you started the stupid… I’m just continuing it. cause I’m a giver
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
um, link? I don’t think he can do this unless they make some change in the agreement with Egypt.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 1:54 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 12/31 @ 1:46 pm #
extreme frothing left wing hack…
Perhaps so, Yorkie.
But I’m in a majority.”
No you’re not, liar.
Except maybe in your head.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 1:57 pm #
“Israel’s broke and Bush is threatening to cut off Israel’s annual $5 billion welfare check, York.”
Big, big news.
Nothing on Lucianne.
Nothing on Drudge.
Any links, there, moron?
Comment by thor on 12/31 @ 1:58 pm #
And you expect us to believe that?
How do you type with a straight face?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 1:59 pm #
” It stoked my ego and made me feel special.
Unselfawareness: not just for breakfast anymore.”
Masturbation has been a useful, and less harmful, substitute.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/31 @ 1:59 pm #
Ah, thor is back.
Bail?
Work release program?
Did you escape?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:00 pm #
“Nothing on Lucianne.
Nothing on Drudge.”
And there you have it. The echo chamber at work. My work is done here.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:00 pm #
over 15 minutes… still no link….
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:01 pm #
oh, over half an hour… time flies when I’m pedaling, I guess.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 2:01 pm #
Nice. Alternately, I see the monetary jeenus back in da hout, so we’re saved and like that.
Comment by Pablo on 12/31 @ 2:02 pm #
Don’t worry, snippy. Rahm will make it all right.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 2:02 pm #
Time to scream at Russia-Haterz™, O’Brain. You know the drill.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:05 pm #
“oh, over half an hour… time flies when I’m pedaling, I guess.”
I was kidding you humorless jerkoff.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 2:05 pm #
You were lying, assclown.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:06 pm #
so you couldn’t come up with anything, huh?
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:06 pm #
Wow. Huh. Nope, I was kidding. I’m not surprised you missed the point.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:06 pm #
just like with…. PHIL GRAHAM!!! BWAH HA HA HA HAaaaaa.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:07 pm #
riiiiight. you have nothing.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:08 pm #
all insult, no substance. as usual.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:08 pm #
I’m sure you think you “got me” but I assure you, I was mocking you. So, feel good about it, though. It’s all you have going for you.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:09 pm #
BWAH HA HA HA HAAAAAAaaaaa. dazzle us!
hootassclown!Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:10 pm #
“Israel’s broke and Bush is threatening to cut off Israel’s annual $5 billion welfare check, York.”
Snip,
Couldn’t find that here:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2008/news/gaza/
or here:
http://www.foxnews.com/index.html
Where did you find that?
I watched the White House Press conference this morning, and given the tone and attitude towards Hamas, I’d be surprised…
Comment by thor on 12/31 @ 2:11 pm #
The richness of her irony extends to her extolling virtues of capitalism from her union gov’t occupation perch. She’s rich like that.
In the debutante world of neo-redumblican aesthetics Socialism is a $6000 dress that Sarah Palin simply won’t wear. The key to understanding DD, et al, is unlocking the deeper symbolist truthiness of their double entendres used as metaphors.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:15 pm #
You were “got,” right here:
“You asked for fact to highlight our position. You were given said fact and chose to ignore it, thereby making yourself, shall we say, ineligible for cognitive exchange.”
In the vernacular of the whippersnappers, you were “pwned.”
Sad for you, but that doesn’t make you any less done.
Good night, Gracie
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:16 pm #
Dude. Some wingnut welfare queen’s powerpoint presentation isn’t fact. Get it through your fat fucking head.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:18 pm #
more insults, no links… *sigh*
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:19 pm #
pwned,
done
Comment by Slartibartfast on 12/31 @ 2:21 pm #
I defer to your superior knowledge on the topic, sir.
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:22 pm #
Believe it if you must. The CRA and darkies brought down the American economy, the richest in the history of the world. It’s all right there in the video. To believe otherwise is lunacy I tells ya!
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:23 pm #
“I defer to your superior knowledge on the topic, sir.”
A good idea. The contest of superiority would have been… ugly and protracted.
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:23 pm #
“more insults, no links… *sigh*”
or arguments.
“I defer to your superior knowledge on the topic, sir.”
Double pwned,
done
Comment by assclown on 12/31 @ 2:27 pm #
“Double pwned,
done”
Your humorlessness is duly noted. Explains alot, actually. Like not having any friends.
Comment by thor on 12/31 @ 2:28 pm #
I avoid the sellers of right-wing lunacy, but I’ve become all too familiar with the buyers.
Triple-own3d! Wipe my finalis from your face, York!
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:30 pm #
I note that you have no cognitive argument. I also note all you see to be able to do is offer invective and vituperation.
You dishonor yourself, sir.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/31 @ 2:30 pm #
still no link?
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 2:31 pm #
extolling virtues of capitalism from her union gov’t occupation
Ah, again, variation of the juvenile chickenhawk meme. People who actually work for a living but do so as part of the legitimate function of the government are disallowed from ever discussing anything dealing with work/gov/economy/civics.
Ironic, too, from a basement boy getting an allowance from his parents who has never held any adult responsibility.
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 2:31 pm #
thor, be a good chap and assist assclown here with his dilemma.
Oh, and that O!, before I forget: Would surely rich liberalism applaud now the rich imagery of a mostly rich non-white Taking Back the reigns of a otherly rich history of a people’s otherly rich tradition with a frolic in the rich, Hawaiian surf — one that despite the full frontal glossies, involved waving off a richly but keenly objective press?
Golf too, it having been for a mostly non-white peoples, not hosting the rich, now figurative shattering of cultural boundaries that had bespoke disdain for custom country club loafers?
Renting your shoes, not so much, blackballing alleycat.
Comment by Darleen on 12/31 @ 2:31 pm #
Sore Ass
who is the “welfare queen” at Reason.com?
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:32 pm #
Thor,
Figure out the contradiction I tried to point out to you the other night?
Happy New Year, by the by.
Mike
Comment by JHoward on 12/31 @ 2:32 pm #
not = now
Comment by Lt. York on 12/31 @ 2:33 pm #
Happy New Year to all…
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/31 @ 2:43 pm #
Lt,
Happy New Year! to you and yours…
Best wishes, and best of luck in ‘09
Comment by comatus on 12/31 @ 3:23 pm #
OK, let’s say I spot you your cited roads, cops, stop signs (how did those get in the federal budget, again?), [uninsured] Alzheimer’s and Down’s ‘victims.’ What, again, were you doing with the rest of the three trillion dollars every year? Because if you say anything other than “pay down debt,” you have pretty much screwed yourself.
The only time I ever stopped for a federal stop sign was when I was on base. And your federal police force…yeah, that’s high on my list. I don’t know how I could do business without it.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/1 @ 11:15 am #
Why the hell do all of you waste your time arguing with assclown, parsnip, and thor? TrollHammer them and discuss the original topic.
You’re letting the thugs win. Stop it.