6,836 dead since January 2007 in Mexico, not Iraq. Tijuana, once the town where Americans crossed the border for bargains, fun and underage drinking is now a lawless ghosttown.
Reporting from Tijuana — He is said to love the ladies, fast horses and dissolving enemies in lye.Teodoro Garcia Simental is among the best known but least identifiable villains in Mexico’s drug war, blamed for a trail of terror across Baja California. [...]
“Criminals earn respect and credibility with creative killing methods,” said the official, who requested anonymity for reasons of security. “Your status is based on your capacity to commit the most sadistic acts. Burning corpses, using acid, beheading victims. . . . This generation is setting a new standard for savagery.”
Of course, PE Obama is coy about whether or not he will enforce border security. He’ll be securely behind fences at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and not worry about things like criminal illegals who rape, murder and assault just this side of the border.
Certainly, The NYSlimes is cheerleading for open borders
If Mr. Obama’s team is confirmed, the country will have a homeland security secretary, Janet Napolitano of Arizona, and a commerce secretary, Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who understand the border region and share a well-informed disdain for foolish, inadequate enforcement schemes like the Bush administration’s border fence. And it will have a labor secretary, Hilda Solis of California, who, as a state senator and congresswoman, has built a reputation as a staunch defender of immigrants and workers.
It doesn’t seem to matter that the border fence had nothing to do with immigrants, only illegal immigrants. Heaven forfend that a steady stream of supplicating nannies and housekeepers be slowed or even :::gasp::: stopped for the Beautiful People of Manhattan. But the editorial writers have even bigger goals
In simplest terms, what Ms. Solis and Mr. Obama seem to know in their gut is this: If you uphold workers’ rights, even for those here illegally, you uphold them for all working Americans. [...]Illegal immigrant workers are deterred from forming unions. And without a path to legalization and under the threat of a relentless enforcement-only regime, they cannot assert their rights.
Amazing chutzpah. Simply amazing.
Comment by Sticky B on 12/27 @ 3:50 pm #
If you uphold workers’ rights, even for those here illegally, you uphold them for all working Americans.
I think we’ve always suspected that the words “Rule of Law” meant absolutely nothing to our countrymen on the left, but I’m still a little surprised to see it practically pasted as a slogan in a mainstream newspaper. Creepy.
I live 4 hours from the Rio Grande and am accelerating the pace at which I’m preparing my family to survive the coming anarchy.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 4:00 pm #
People who voted for Juan McCain can’t squeal about illegal immigrants.
Sorry.
The irony meter can’t take it.
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 4:02 pm #
Open borders and the same old stupid ass drug war.
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/64470/
Where is the hope and change, taterhead?
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 4:07 pm #
What is really ironic to me tuber is how you never want to talk about Obama, all you ever want to do is talk about McCain or Palin or Bush. It is almost like you are embarassed or something.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 4:07 pm #
Maybe Obama will end our dumbass “war on drugs” B Moe.
Part of the sinister plan to split the Libertarians from the Biblehumpers?
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 4:15 pm #
Part of the sinister plan to split the Libertarians from the Biblehumpers?
You are really a sad case, dude. Is there nothing about you that isn’t pure, selfish, partisanship? Do you have even a shred of actual character?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 4:17 pm #
People who voted for Juan McCain can’t squeal about illegal immigrants.
Ah, nipply. Can’t imagine any intermediate stages between slavish hero-worship and blind hatred.
It simply can’t comprehend that one could support a candidate without accepting every single one of his actions.
That’s why it will never admit that Obama lied. Obama must be The Holy Sinless One.
It’s in for a hard four years, I’m afraid.
Comment by ushie on 12/27 @ 4:30 pm #
BACK OnT: They’re ILLEGAL; that’s why they can’t join unions. They’re ILLEGAL; that’s why we should round them up and send them the hell back. It’s too bad Mexico is a kleptocracy jammed with the corrupt and the cruel, but I doubt we’d get anyone on board for our invading it and straightening it out so that it’s a bearable place to live–and therefore, its people would stop coming here ILLEGALLY.
Comment by thor on 12/27 @ 5:05 pm #
Let’s keep the all illegal Mexicans and march the redumblican hicks to Mexico. They can relieve their Oxycontin fixes cheaper down there, not to mention getting their angry colons scrubbed with native cacti for mere pesos.
Comment by ccoffer on 12/27 @ 5:10 pm #
Yeah. People who sneak into foreign countries illegally are good, and people who want to stop them are bad.
Stupid fuck.
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 12/27 @ 5:10 pm #
Here’s the solution:
–Set a realistic number of worker visas to be issued annually to Mexicans, with a credible path to citizenship. By “realistic” I mean quite high, a million or more yearly, to be adjusted as the program proceeds.
–Say they will be issued to Mexicans with no American or Mexican felony convictions at the American consulates in Mexico. First come, first served. Mexicans in Mexico would have the advantage in getting visas, but doubtless many in the USA would scramble for border towns to get them, too. Convictions for identity theft or fraud would be disqualifying–no sob stories about that being the only way to get work.
–Designate a time period–say, 24 months after new laws enacted–for people to get on the right side of the law. Illegal Mexicans attempting to return to Mexico would not be arrested and would even be assisted if need be.
–After that, immigration enforcement would be much more stringent. No excuses will be accepted for being here without documentation; they will be returned to Mexico with all deliberate speed.
–Figure out something similar for other nations.
Comment by ccoffer on 12/27 @ 5:22 pm #
,and give everyone an extra large pizza made with genuine moon cheese.
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 5:25 pm #
We need to find some Republican chick dumb enough to fuck thor, maybe then he would shut the fuck up.
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 12/27 @ 5:28 pm #
Naw, Moe. Remember: free speech makes it easy to spot the idiots.
Comment by Nan on 12/27 @ 5:34 pm #
A. Dumb Republican chicks are very rare.
B. The few that there are have standards.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 5:35 pm #
The difference between us and the nipply set is that we knew McCain sucked on immigration and made a rational decision to vote for him (or not) taking that into account.
The nipply cult, on the other hand, simply ignores anything about Obama that they don’t like, even when those positions are expressed in Obama’s own words.
Besides the lying to the press bit, the most prominent example at present is the gay marriage issue. Opposition to gay marriage is one of the few issues on which Obama has been consistent. So why the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth?
That sort of cult-worship can turn pretty ugly when the wheels fall off, and they are indeed falling off, as this DUmmie thread demonstrates.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 5:36 pm #
Close boldface. Sorry.
Sure would be nice to have a WYSIWYG editor here…
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/27 @ 5:47 pm #
Maybe Mexico cold start acting like a real country and take care of their own citizens.
Comment by Cave Bear on 12/27 @ 5:48 pm #
SBP, you should put up a warning before linking to a site like the DUmmie cesspool. Gawd, I felt my IQ dropping like a stone after reading just a few of those posts. Pity that Hammer Boi doesn’t spend more time over there; he’d fit right in….
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 12/27 @ 5:52 pm #
“Let’s keep the all illegal Mexicans and march the redumblican hicks to Mexico.”
Well who the fuck is gonna “employ” those illegals? Liberals are mostly “I work in a cubicle/ My parents are rich and I / I volunteer (don’t work, government tit).
Jesus Christ, thor…you’re even stupid in the abstract.
Comment by nikkolai on 12/27 @ 5:54 pm #
Hell, thor and parsnip would be among the smarter commentors over there. And that’s scary.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 5:59 pm #
Obama’s favorables are up to 71% and his unfavorables are down to 19%, SBP.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111772/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Favorability.aspx
If anyone’s in a cult, it’s you haters.
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 6:06 pm #
It has gotten to the point with me that I can’t wait til Obama takes office and actually has to start doing shit. His favorables are high now because he hasn’t had to break any of his conflicting promises yet, everyone in the coalition is still happy. Once he gets in, every decision he makes is going to piss a chunk of them off, and that number is gonna sink.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 6:08 pm #
Obama’s favorables are up to 71%
Bush’s favorables were above 90% at one point, nipply.
Did you read that DU thread? Does it sound like those people are happy?
Do enjoy it while it lasts, though.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 12/27 @ 6:54 pm #
The Obama thing is like the Kennedy worship, but bigger (we have a bigger dream-machine than they had in the sixties). I have seen a children’s book at Barnes and Noble ‘Barack Obama – Child of Promise, Son of Hope’ – something like that.
The religious impulse is a powerful one, and alphie is in full evangelical fervor. A real zealot.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/27 @ 6:55 pm #
Delicious! Calls for hate thought crimes aren’t far away.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/27 @ 6:57 pm #
Can I get an AMEN?
Comment by Darleen on 12/27 @ 6:58 pm #
what “haters”, root veggie? Is it those same mythical haters that were a-hating at the hating Palin rallies?
Or the real haters on the Left, like the ones who have gone all McCarthy-like on little old ladies who write a $100 check to Prop8 and get run out of their own restuarants?
Comment by Darleen on 12/27 @ 7:00 pm #
unconscious messages are sent without the author’s intent
Because perception is reality and the Left is all about the Ascension of the Offended.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 7:20 pm #
SBP,
I just like reminding you that all the hate-filled wingnut attacks against Obama have just made him more popular.
Norma, your references are so cryptic they are meaningless.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/27 @ 7:26 pm #
“I just like reminding you that all the hate-filled wingnut attacks against Obama have just made him more popular.”
WTF are you talkin about?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 7:27 pm #
made him more popular.
Sure they have, nipply.
Sure they have.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 7:28 pm #
I meant outside of the cocoon you and your fellow right wing extremists occupy, SBP.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/27 @ 7:30 pm #
This has to be a parody. Noone talks like that.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 12/27 @ 7:31 pm #
Heh, ‘right wing extremist’ to alphietroll is one who fails to show sufficient reverence to Obama.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 7:34 pm #
Machinery can.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 7:42 pm #
Tens of millions think he lied about Blago, parsnot. Hardly a cult, more like voting America. Is the Chicago media a cult, parsnot?
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 12/27 @ 7:53 pm #
Where’s the hate?
We just Question Authority. Used to be considered a good thing.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/27 @ 7:57 pm #
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism”, memba?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 7:59 pm #
Your guy is The Man now, nipply.
Get used to it.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 8:10 pm #
Tens of millions, JHoward? Who really gives a damn? I’m beginning to wonder if Rahm tiptoed off and tried to negotiate his own senate seat, without Obama’s knowledge or approval. If that’s the case, Obama needs to fire his ass post haste.
Comment by Rusty on 12/27 @ 8:35 pm #
That’s right cynn. There’s a pony in there somewhere.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 8:40 pm #
You guys would just love to see Obama engulfed in some kind of scandal. But guess what? Nothing happens! Look at your own lawbreakin’ crew. Zip; no indictments, no nothing. So I guess we got you to thank.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 12/27 @ 8:43 pm #
You can’t blame the donks for wanting to import a new constituency…no one here is too excited about voting for them anymore.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/27 @ 8:46 pm #
I’m beginning to wonder if Rahm tiptoed off
Ah, yes. “If the Czar only knew…”
Denial, cynn. It’s not a pretty thing.
Comment by Darleen on 12/27 @ 8:52 pm #
You guys would just love to see Obama engulfed in some kind of scandal.
Stop projecting your 8 years of BDS on us. Personally, if Obama came into office and decided to start being a POTUS who dealt from center right, I’ll be relieved and happy to praise his rational, Constitutional policies.
But guess what? Nothing happens!
Geez, cynn, you can foretell the future?
Look at your own lawbreakin’ crew.
Hell of a lot less than Billy Jeff’s
Zip; no indictments, no nothing.
Barry Obama (say Hosannah on Highest) hasn’t even taken office yet.
So I guess we got you to thank.
Thank us at the mid-terms.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 8:55 pm #
OK, so Obama’s a criminal conspiritor. Bring it on, and good luck, outside of your impotent conspiratorial posts.
Comment by dicentra on 12/27 @ 8:56 pm #
I’m beginning to wonder if Rahm tiptoed off and tried to negotiate his own senate seat, without Obama’s knowledge or approval. If that’s the case, Obama needs to fire his ass post haste.
Barack Obama, Chicago Politician: The Only Virgin in the Whorehouse.
AKA the man who can pick up manure by the clean end. Yup. That’s him.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 9:05 pm #
Darleen, I’ll give you that my fury with the current administration has colored (heh) my approach to the incoming. I just thank the Outside Force there was an alternative.
I’m interested in the administration-based-on-prequel that you guys are setting up. I judged GWB on his own execrable record, and I plan to give BHUSSEINO the same courtesy. Thanks.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:05 pm #
nipply does, cynn.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 12/27 @ 9:07 pm #
The G.W. Bush Administration – most investigated, least indicted.
Coming from Chicago, Mr. Obama ought to be asking how that happened…and if he can, you know, hire a couple of these guys. Because the Chicago crowd? Ummmm…
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 9:18 pm #
JHoward, quit with the cute. I sneaked in on your smoke-filled room of a thread about how to approach us no-hopers (led by ric locke), so spell it out bro. Hell, you asked about our “philosophy,” like it’s some kind of received wisdom. It’s a commodity.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:24 pm #
Sorry you’re so miffed, cynn. Also sorry none of that made enuf sense to actually assist you with it. Even as magnanimous as I usually am.
But I will ask you to spell that philosophy sucker out. Not because I’m cute, although I am, but because I’m quite capable of learning. Your move and I don’t mean refilling your glass…
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:26 pm #
And yes, to some trolls, mob sentiment really counts, cynn.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 9:34 pm #
Who the hell am I to state the leftist agenda and to ennumerate the steps to take? My motives are my own; you have homework if you want to divine the entire lefty program.
Comment by stace on 12/27 @ 9:35 pm #
Forget Tijuana. To the msm, if it didn’t happen near California or New York it didn’t happen, but Ciudad Juarez is far worse than Tijuana, and accounts for a quarter of Mexico’s murders.
And yet El Paso, directly across the border, has a very low crime rate. Somebody needs to figure out what they’re doing right there in El Paso, and do it everywhere.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 9:37 pm #
Um,
Your side tried to cast the 71% of Americans who have a favorable opinion of Obama as a “cult,” JHo.
Norma did, at least.
She seems to speak for your little cult of haters.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 9:47 pm #
stace: I think Mexico needs to be more aggressive and take control of its own cities.
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 9:51 pm #
Not your agenda, cynn. Not your goals. Not your motives.
What is your overriding philosophy of governance?
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:53 pm #
To quote the inimitable cynn, nipply, who the hell are you to state the rightist agenda and to enumerate the steps to take? My motives are my own; you have homework if you want to divine the entire righty program.
Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 9:56 pm #
The rightist agenda has always been getting government services without paying for them, JHo.
In this, your kind is no different than illegal immigrants.
Funny how that works out.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:57 pm #
Oh, I don’t know cynn, so to speak, but if you don’t know what you think and why, then how is it nipply thinks any one representative speaks for all? Sez so right there in #57.
One might conclude that any one liberal knows nothing on behalf of all liberals. I can go with that.
Anyway, you two sort it out. Me, I just want to know if anything other than envy and powerlust forms the socialist platform.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 9:59 pm #
nipply, when you’re dead wrong, you’re dead wrong.
Adding closing lines does nothing but to cement that certainty.
Like this.
Comment by B Moe on 12/27 @ 10:02 pm #
The rightist agenda has always been getting government services without paying for them, JHo.
If that were true you would at least be correct about them being utterly incompetent, tuber.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 10:05 pm #
Is the Chicago media a cult, parsnot?
Comment by JD on 12/27 @ 10:08 pm #
turnip/sniffles/alphtard is a mental midget.
Comment by JHoward on 12/27 @ 10:19 pm #
O!cialism.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 10:27 pm #
JHoward: I know exactly what I think and why. But thanks for the boring counter-reminder.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 10:32 pm #
Oh, and BMoe told me a few post back my entitlements. Seems I’m not allowed to post. Got it.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/27 @ 10:38 pm #
Well we all got alot of things Cynn. Supposedly everying on here is a failure and believes in political ideology that is bound to fail. Also any of our “criticism” of Obama is just ranting without reason.
Life sucks it aint fair and if you think it is go beat the first person that told you cause he or she lied.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/27 @ 10:40 pm #
By the way I actually found no problem with anything you posted. Not like you need my opinion to post.
Comment by cynn on 12/27 @ 10:59 pm #
Thanks, Pink. Happy Noon Year. And I’m yankin’ Moe’s chain. Because I can.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/27 @ 11:12 pm #
Well we can all do whatever the hell we want. Free will. The problem is we all have to sleep at night.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/27 @ 11:15 pm #
cynn, my remarks the other night were neither addressed to you nor referring to you. They were primarily intended for JHoward, JD, B Moe, and a few others, and I see that they weren’t heeded. Pity.
That’s partly my fault, as I allowed myself to be led off into other subjects. JHoward, you have got to start making the distinction between motive and result. Otherwise you end up handing your ass to the opponents.
The children come, weeping, to the household breadwinner. The family pet has a horrid disease, requiring some thousands of dollars in veterinary bills to correct. The breadwinner listens, then looks at the desk, which is littered with credit card bills denominated in Astronomical units, and demands in red-banded envelopes that add up to the family’s income and a bit more… the kids don’t intend to see their family broke and evicted from their home; they love Rover, and want to see him restored to full health, gamboling in cheerful play. Accusing them of vile intent is totally wrong. And when they are told no, we can’t afford it, Rover must be put down, they will predictably shriek, I hate you! You’re just a vile and evil person! You never liked Rover anyway and want to see him dead and gone! and stomp off, crying. If their demand is granted, and later the repo men come and take the car and turn them out of the house they can no longer afford, they will be just as accusatory. It’s even worse if the vet is a charlatan, and Rover can’t be healed at any price.
Denouncing the kids as evil serves no purpose, because they aren’t — they’re loving and softhearted. Rover is sick; the obvious thing to do is to make him well. Complexities are for other people.
Same here. This person is sick; the obvious thing to do is to give him medical care. That person is poor; the obvious thing is to give him some money. The other is homeless; clearly that problem can be solved by giving him a house. You and I know it doesn’t work, that such short-term and short-sighted measures ultimately increase the number of sick, poor, and homeless people. They don’t, or at any rate don’t believe it — but accusing them of evil intent when their actual intent is lovingkindness not only accomplishes nothing, it puts you even farther behind start.
cynn isn’t even that. cynn is a partisan, seeing the whole thing in terms of a sports contest — one team of assholes in our colors, another team of assholes in her colors, and when her team wins she collects her winnings and celebrates in the bar with her fellow partisans. She doesn’t deal in details, any more than the average drunken Eagles fan can expound on the off-side rule. It might be considered irresponsible, but it isn’t evil, and treating it as if it were will just get you into fights.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Bob Reed on 12/28 @ 12:07 am #
A majority of Americans support securing the borders of our nation. And, if honestly questioned about immigration issues will reveal that they are all for legal immigration, but over 65% are against facilitating or molly-coddling illiegal immigrants…
Let’s hope that they do enable these border scum into going back to their old ways; because it’s very difficult to put the genie back into the bottle…
Over the last few years, a majority of people in the border states have come to enjoy the dwindling of illegal immigrants coming across the border. And, it has facilitated law enforcement in interdicting both drugs and those vermin who would engage in human trafficking; often under appaling conditions and circumstances. Not to mention how it aids homeland security efforts…
A majority of the public agree on the need for securing our borders. If O!&Co roll back the effort that Booooosh! started, that is currently underway, and there is a noticable uptick in crime, illegal immigration rates (which have been declining markedly by the way), and God forbid a terrorist infiltration-especially one that leads to a successful attack-then they will pay the price at the ballot box…
Let’s hope then that this becomes their political Waterloo, or perhaps more analogously, their “Don’t ask, Don’t tell”…
Here’s to the first successful failure by O!&Co…
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/28 @ 12:11 am #
Hahahha. I hate Eagles fans too but I have to disagree with your pessimism. I know I am not as old as you and have not bloodied my hands with the “undeniable” as much, but I hope when I do reach your age and wisdom I still disagree. Even fuckin Santa Claus still hands out coal to the bad kids.
Comment by Yackums on 12/28 @ 1:53 am #
What I want to know is, has nobody ever asked these people, never mind got an answer on the record from them, as to what exactly, according to them, differentiates a legal immigrant from an illegal immigrant? If as an illegal immigrant, one is entitled to all manner of rights and entitlements, why immigrate legally? Do they just want to do away with on-the-books immigration altogether? Gee, that smacks of (gasp) colonization!
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 6:32 am #
And Ric, you’ve got to start making the distinction between detached historical parallel or figurative example and contemporary, moral, personal responsibility. While your forays into the precursors of modern failures of these pop theories of ours are genuinely enlightening, and while comparing them to bite-sized slices of life are as well, not expecting the responsibility to prevent those tragedies reoccurring means the fools among us won’t ever connect cause and effect. The difference is mind; it’s learning, being responsible, taking account, and being humbled.
I expect that responsibility. I expect that when 52% goes willfully — not blindly; willfully — trundling down the socialist primrose path — choice and destination going hand and hand always — that they present a coherent justification when they rope you and I down by the ankles and expect us to pay for it; to pay for it not with our wallets, but with our freedoms and with the guarantee of pain to our souls.
With all due respect, that responsibility interests me far more than how something or other was tried out six hundred years ago under a different guise and fell on its face. That is the distinction between result and motive, and it’s how to demand accountability so as to not get our asses handed to us.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 6:59 am #
Put another way, Ric, when I refer to the inherent asymmetry of the political divide, one of the things I refer to is that within a context of thorough, human corruption, politics will simply be dishonest and doomed to chronic failure.
The conclusion? That it is politics that must be limited. This, among other things, is classically liberal.
However, the first rule of asymmetrical political warfare is denying this inevitable amorality.
The second rule of political asymmetry is actually considering for rule an undeniable, majority-driven, left-leaning, central machinery that foremost denies this reality and then has the gall to, at the level of its theory, tear up the fabric of reality by literally redefining everything from markets to history to language to intent and meaning in order to do so. This we see all around us these days as the left elects a full-on New Deal O!cialist to office because he ran against Bush.
As the Bush-voting thor opines, we needs us a O!cialist to restore libertarianism! Or something.
The myth is that there is a moral, ethical, and philosophical equivalency between left and right — that they are co-equal combatants. In reality, one of those two ends of the spectrum should remember that the very reason it exists is to limit both itself and the other end.
We’ve forgotten that effect, and furthermore, we’ve actually positioned the left as a moral countermeasure not to the ostensibly conservative, limiting right, but to a failure of the right to embody classical limitations on government and with them, ditching the essential requirement for earnest and stark responsibility on an individual level so as to provide it collectively.
There is no other way to provide social fairness than to start and finish at home. The religion of redistributive, narrowly moralistic O!cialism guarantees to trample this.
Politics is asymmetrical. Paraphrasing Baudelaire, the greatest trick the thief ever pulled was convincing the voter he was benevolent. The other was convincing the voter he simply didn’t exist.
Comment by geoffb on 12/28 @ 7:29 am #
I agree with Ric as far as not “denouncing the kids as evil” or “accusing them of vile intent”. The “kids” however are only a means being used by others who do have “vile intent” and who are “evil”.
To continue the analogy. The Veterinarian and a few friends want to own the entire neighborhood for a song. Then rent the homes back to the original owners, thus controlling them.
The sick doggy is a made up device to get the kids to not only hand all the family’s money over to the vet but to bankrupt the family so that they lose their home to the vets friends. This same or a similar scheme is being used all through the neighborhood to put everyone out of them home.
The Veterinarian and friends are evil, the kids are simply useful to them.
Comment by geoffb on 12/28 @ 7:29 am #
their not them
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 7:47 am #
The myth is that there is a moral, ethical, and philosophical equivalency between left and right  that they are co-equal combatants. In reality, one of those two ends of the spectrum should remember that the very reason it exists is to limit both itself and the other end.
But the sides need to be couched in terms of correct and incorrect, I think, rather than good and evil. Calling the well meaning but misguided evil isn’t productive, or fair.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/28 @ 8:22 am #
JHoward, what you appear to miss is that I agree with you in almost every particular. We have the same goals, and much the same philosophical basis for them. What I am disagreeing with is tactics.
Blanket denunciations of evil make our opponents’ job easier. When you declare that the people who style themselves “immigration proponents” are trying to destroy the social and economic basis of the country, they look at one another and think, “What? These are people who are working their asses off to better themselves. That asshole is always on about self-reliance; you’d think he ought to admire and welcome them. I guess he must just be jealous, not wanting the competition.” Based on that, they go out and vote for Leftist politicians — and the small minority hiding in the woodwork, who do want to smash the System for their own benefit, smile and high-five one another.
We have to find some method of defending and promoting our ideals that does not deny the genuine good intentions of the people who serve, in the mass, to support and promote Leftist ideals. I have been groping for ways to do that. It’s hard. One of the things that makes it hard is people on our side who issue blanket denunciations because the people who designed the campaign built it around just that. Communal solutions are attractive in ways I won’t enumerate because they aren’t the point of this essay; blanket hostility to them makes it easy for their promoters to employ rhetorical jiu-jitsu, to say (and be believed) that because we are hostile to the method we must of necessity not want the intended result. Since the (stated) intended result, which the majority of the supporters believe is the intended result, is good, kind, generous, and/or egalitarian, that paints us as opponents of the Good, and we lose.
There has to be another way.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 8:22 am #
“Look at your own lawbreakin’ crew. Zip; no indictments, no nothing.
So I guess we got you to thank.”
The “Zip; no indictments, no nothing.” is called a Clueâ„¢.
It means that no laws were broken, cynn.
Comment by Rusty on 12/28 @ 9:27 am #
#43
Wanna get in on the pool about when when Rahm Emmanuel is frog marched out of the Whitehouse? Providing he comes back from Africa. He just might decide to do his whole stint of Chief of Staff from Sierra Leon or whereever.
FWIW I can’t give him the benefit of the doubt before he takes office, he’s still running with the Chicago crooks that got him elected. Don’t go off now and tell us you weren’t warned.
Comment by panther girl on 12/28 @ 10:19 am #
And we come full circle. It does look like we come down on the “wrong” side of issues to well-meaning, good-hearted people. That’s because the libs control the narrative and we’re left playing defense. IMHO, we need to rephrase our positions so that we come out as the well-meaning folks that we are instead of the evildoers who want to take away x. I agree that it’s hard to do. We are “against education” because we (I) don’t want to keep funneling money to the teachers’ unions and school administrations. I doubt there is a person among us who is “against education” (at PW anyhow). Someone – I suspect I kept it somewhere at the office but don’t seem to have it here – wrote an article shortly after the election that pinpointed the things conservatives did wrong and ways to restate our positions. It had good points, I’ll try to find it when I return from Home Depot but I bet you guys will remember it better than I do.
Some of the problems with trying to restate the narrative (not impossible but damn difficult) are 1) it takes longer to explain than it does for others to say “you’re against education” (e.g.) and 2) many folks (on both sides actually) are not all that economically literate. I got in trouble shortly before the election for asking a (educated) friend if she’d ever taken an econ course. She was having a hard time understanding my point and I just knew that she would understand what I was saying (not necessarily agree) if she’d been exposed to economics at some point in her life. I was accused of calling her uneducated and stupid (I didn’t and neither was that my intent) but it does remain that if she’d taken just one econ course in amongst all of her women’s studies and psych courses we could have had the discourse. Instead it devolved into she knew the answers and was trying to inform me. When I disagreed with her she assumed it was coming from the blogs or Rush or Hannity (whom I don’t listen to) instead of from a basis in economic theory (sound familiar?)
I suppose the alternative, which has seemed to be the status quo until recently (at least in academic settings), is for conservatives to just not discuss their side of the issue. But I assume that’s how we ended up with college students being well-versed on all the “facts” of domestic violence against women but not knowing the first thing about what capitalism and socialism really are.
Off to Home Depot to stimulate the economy…
Comment by Chris S. on 12/28 @ 10:49 am #
This doesn’t otherwise validate left-wing lunacy, but yeah- it’s time to retire the War on Drugs (along with the war on alcohol and nicotine) that’s feeding this violence (as Prohibition fed the Mob).
And sure, do a Search and Destroy on the gangs operating on the border, but let Jose Sixpack Mexican immigrant in, already- we’re just creating disincentives for them NOT to turn in or otherwise snitch on the rotten apples.
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 11:17 am #
JHo,
When someone like yourself from the extreme right starts whining about fiscal responsibility or Constitutional freedoms you just embarrass yourself.
Embrace what Bush did in your name, and realize your kind won’t get political power back for decades.
Comment by MarkD on 12/28 @ 11:20 am #
What is it that keeps Mexico such an abysmal failure? The people are industrious and the country has natural resources. They have democratic elections, and the losing party actually left office. There’s something fundamentally different between them and us.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/28 @ 11:34 am #
MarkD, the short answer is that Mexico is organized precisely the way alphie/parsnip/monkyboy insists is the only reasonable way to do it.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 11:40 am #
That’s funny, Ric,
I was just thinking Mexico is what America would look like if the Republicans had won he Presidency.
We also have the examples of Iraq and Afghanistan to see what happens to a country when the wingnuts have control.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 12:00 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 11:40 am #
That’s funny, Ric,
I was just thinking Mexico is what America would look like if the Republicans had won he Presidency.”
That’s because you a fucking ignorant shit, alpo, with no education, zero thought processes and a head consisting of an echo chamber for exploded reactionary leftist myths.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 12:01 pm #
You’re a wannabe fascist, alpo, but you ain’t smart enough.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:02 pm #
Embrace what Bush did in your name
Ah, nipply. Once again you fail to understand that we don’t worship Bush the way you do Obama.
Bush is a human being who does things of which I approve, and other things of which I disapprove.
It’s the difference between being a rational adult and being a cult member, nipply.
Now, why did Obama lie to the press?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:03 pm #
I was just thinking Mexico is what America would look like if the Republicans had won he Presidency.
That’s odd, since according to you the “extreme right” has been in control for most of our nation’s history.
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 12:10 pm #
It doesn’t matter whether you “conservatives” try to pretend Bush wasn’t your guy or not, SBP.
Your “movement” will be forever associated with his disastrous reign.
Nice potty mouth No Brain.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 12:14 pm #
“Nice potty mouth No Brain.”
Truth hurts, eh asshelmet?
You’re still a fucking ignorant fool, alpo.
And I see my Christmas wish didn’t come true.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 12/28 @ 12:22 pm #
Parsnip, what do you do for a living? Just curious.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/28 @ 12:24 pm #
Which simply serves to demonstrate that you know nothing about the history, laws, Government, or sociopolitical organization of Mexico.
Nowadays there are medical therapies that minimize the voices-in-the-head problem. If you ever stayed on yours long enough to figure out what’s actually going on here, you could make a contribution, even if it were presentation of counterargument. As it is, what you really need is a dirty blanket, a bottle of cheap wine, and an unoccupied street corner.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Semanticleo on 12/28 @ 12:26 pm #
“We have to find some method of defending and promoting our ideals that does not deny the genuine good intentions of the people who serve, in the mass, to support and promote Leftist ideals.”
Ric;
You’re temperance is admirable, but unlikely to find converts in this forum. Nevertheless, I encourage you to hold your nose at low tide, and search for signs of life in the tidepool at PW.
Prepare yourself for the animus that must justify it’s own existence. If you can keep the pitchforks wielded by the local townfolk from piercing your armor you may find some solace in the crafting of words which carry more weight than weapons of war.
The good fight is just beginning, as nerve pathways re-route very slowly. Stay on that topic.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:27 pm #
It doesn’t matter whether you “conservatives†try to pretend Bush wasn’t your guy or not, SBP.
Whatever you say, nipply.
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 12:30 pm #
Ric, what is it that you do for a living?
I picture you droning on to groups of people who are forced to listen to your crap.
Teacher?
Lawyer?
Preacher?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:30 pm #
Yo, Semen: ever come up with an explanation for why Obama lied?
Thanks!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:30 pm #
I picture you droning on to groups of people who are forced to listen to your crap.
And yet here you are, for ten or fifteen hours every day.
Someone got a gun to your head, nipply?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 12:31 pm #
Comment by Semanticleo on 12/28 @ 12:26 pm #
Do you speak English?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 12/28 @ 12:32 pm #
“Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 12/28 @ 12:22 pm #
Parsnip, what do you do for a living? Just curious.”
Intestinal polyp.
Comment by ccoffer on 12/28 @ 12:38 pm #
I’m still waiting for the character that calls itself “cynn” to enumerate the laws that were broken by the Bush administration.
I have a sneaking suspicion that he/she/it is shit-stupid enough to float the idiotic notion that enforcing security council resolutions is against the law. Which one, we can only imagine.
Comment by thor on 12/28 @ 12:40 pm #
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Comment by N. O’Brain on 12/28 @ 12:31 pm #
Comment by Semanticleo on 12/28 @ 12:26 pm #
Do you speak English?
Do you speak bootslurpish?
Comment by Semanticleo on 12/28 @ 12:50 pm #
“I’m still waiting for the character that calls itself “cynn†to enumerate the laws that were broken by the Bush administration.”
Allow me to begin the interrogatories…
Bush challenges hundreds of laws
President cites powers of his office
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | April 30, 2006
WASHINGTON — President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ”whistle-blower” protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.
Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush’s assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ”to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ”execute” a law he believes is unconstitutional
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
“Amazing chutzpah. Simply amazing.”
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 12:52 pm #
Were it that thor would apply his laser insights and monumental wit to the problem of parshit’s sloganeering.
I was going to remark on the problem of evil — and the problem of even rolling out the word among PC-sensitized folk, even to define that characteristic a certain troll seems hellbent to exemplify — as the merely clinical condition of being pathologically dishonest. There the word’s not used as a moral charge as it is a simple observation that some there are who haven’t the conscience to refuse to lie.
Evil is thereby absolutely a characteristic of the political machine. Evil has everything to do with the causes that end up being the effects we’re saddled with. Absolute power and absolute corruption and like that.
Anyway…it’s time to hold feet to fires. The problem is so skewed from originalism that we have no other choice. Pursuant that, having nothing on the ball, some still willfully select no other choice than to lie outright about the difference between Republicanism and classical liberalism. Evil, that.
Comment by thor on 12/28 @ 12:55 pm #
shorter Ric: I’m not an Animaaaaal!
Thank you Ric for having the courage to admit you’re not smitten to be solely a tail-waggin’ redumblican up on his hind legs beggin’ for a fuckin’ flag pin.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 12:55 pm #
IOW, it’d been established countless times that Bush isn’t Jefferson, miss clio. You liar.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 12:56 pm #
and yet here we have an article about how Obama will probably not enforce the laws currently on the books. I await your calls for impeachment.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 12:58 pm #
And yet here you are, for ten or fifteen hours every day.
Someone got a gun to your head, nipply?
Yo, nipply?
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 12:59 pm #
Thank you Ric for not hurting thor’s feelings. There are indeed times when he can set aside his abuse = love issue and articulate that he does, indeed, not want o be slapped on his ass again.
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:00 pm #
“Amazing chutzpah. Simply amazing.â€Â
Just make sure you guys are as vigilante against Obama if he tries to continue along this path, okay?
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:01 pm #
Oh, how we bitch and moan about the terrible Mexicans! Woe! Woe!
Your fringe ideas are non-starters, even for the Republican leadership. You guys were NEVER going to get what you wanted on immigration. Never. Even if Bush could somehow run for a 3rd term and win.
The beauty is, Bush will be known throughout history as one of the worst presidents of all time and forever hung around the neck of the late 20th century Conservative movement. And you guys deny he’s a conservative! Fucking-A sweetness.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 1:03 pm #
They got your back, B Moe. All this abuse is code for that, and the lack of sound theory supporting it, well, that’s just efficiency with words. All we needs us is a good O!cialist to restore libertarian values.
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Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:07 pm #
Securing the border and controlling immigration is a fringe idea now?
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:07 pm #
Also, why does every headline about world events note Obama’s reaction? Isn’t Bush still president?
America has moved on, they’re ready to dump that fuckstick. Oh man, I await the next coming of Reagan. Again. Maybe this next won’t be a raging idiot. Doubtful.
Comment by Semanticleo on 12/28 @ 1:07 pm #
“You liar.”
Coming from Howie, that’s an endorsement…..
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:09 pm #
“Securing the border and controlling immigration is a fringe idea now?”
The way you want to do it, yes. The modern conservative solutions are all about doing what “feels good and appeases the base” and never about results.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:11 pm #
Let me put it another way – what conservative solution to a problem, enacted by Bush, has been a success?
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:13 pm #
The way you want to do it, yes.
How do you know how I want to do it? What would you recommend the Reps change in their current policy, because I don’t like it either.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 1:14 pm #
heh…
BWAH HA HA HA HAaaaaa
and yet you think we’re lying or something when we say we don’t agree with Bush on everything?
Bush did not attempt much of a “conservative” solution, did he?
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 1:15 pm #
oh, he kinda said he would, but please, we all knew better.
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:15 pm #
Let me put it another way – what conservative solution to a problem, enacted by Bush, has been a success?
I consider Iraq a success, and Afghanistan is progressing nicely.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 1:17 pm #
oh, I missed that it was a general question. sorry, thought we were talking about immigration here.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/28 @ 1:23 pm #
assclown, enjoy your triumphalism. You might ask a guy named after a lizard how long it lasts.
One thing you’ve neglected: The Buck Stops Here. Whether or not a particular President’s policies have anything to do with it, the guy in office carries the can for economic conditions, and I don’t think cheerleading from the Press will totally deflect that.
You’ve got the recession you’ve been clamoring for, this last eight years. Bush & Co. have managed to stave off the worst aspects of it, and look to continue doing so until late January. It won’t really hit home until February or March. Despite enthusiastic revisionism, Jimmah still owns “stagflation”. Welcome to office, President HO!over.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 1:27 pm #
JHo,
If you vote straight-ticket Republican every single election you share responsibility for what the Republicans do while they’re in office.
Voting for W. then claiming to be a “Classicl Liberal” makes you a wanker of the first order.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 1:33 pm #
huh, seems Obama did vote for the fence.
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:35 pm #
What does voting for Obama then claiming to be for gay rights make you?
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:35 pm #
What does voting for Obama then claiming to be for honesty and transparency in government make you?
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 1:36 pm #
What does voting for Obama then claiming to be for the immediate withdrawal of all troops in the Middle East make you?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 1:39 pm #
See, this is why nipply can’t admit that Obama lied to the press. Obama MUST BE PERFECT!
As I said before, nipply is in for a long, long four years.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:42 pm #
“Voting for W. then claiming to be a “Classicl Liberal†makes you a wanker of the first order.”
That’s funny shit right there. So true.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/28 @ 1:44 pm #
so, you, too are for the border fence, assclown? or did you vote for Nader?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/28 @ 1:44 pm #
Wait a second, Obama is NOT going to immediatly end both wars? WTF over!!!!11!!!!!!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 1:48 pm #
The wars will continue, Mr. Pink. The press will just stop writing about them.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 12/28 @ 1:54 pm #
SBP after this election I am convinced the anti-war movement has been proven just another Democrat get out the vote effort. All that rage and anger about “imperialism” and war for oil nonsense and where has it gone? Now that their guy won you figure they would be demanding him to withdraw troops now. Nah they are too busy basking in the afterglow of their O!gasms. I wonder how many “rallies” they will hold in the coming 4 years to end the wars? I am guessing between 0 and .0.
Comment by Ric Locke on 12/28 @ 2:07 pm #
BTW assclown, you are assuming facts not in evidence. I’m sixty years old.
I worked for Goldwater, handing out flyers and campaign materials, when I was too young to vote. That wasn’t really because I admired him (though I did), it was more because I’d met, in person, several of Lyndon’s clique, and knew quite a number of people who knew the man personally; as a result, I wouldn’t have voted for LBJ for “next in the barrel” let alone any substantive office.
I stayed home for Nixon, both times. I voted for Jimmah (and occasionally wake up sweating as a result.) I stayed home for Reagan the first term and voted for him for the second. I stayed home for Bush I, voted for Clinton the first time and stayed home the second. I stayed home for Bush II the first time, then voted for him the second. I voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, and for McCain in the general.
Really monolithic, ain’t it?
Now it’s your turn. Ever made a choice other than “straight-ticket Democrat”?
Regards,
Ric
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 2:14 pm #
I never took you for one to inhabit the same toilet as parsnit, assclown. Surely not you.
Because I owned you back in #79. Meaning: Your confirmation, however expected, isn’t technically necessary.
Comment by parsnip on 12/28 @ 2:16 pm #
Because I owned you
The standard cry of juveniles on the internet.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/28 @ 2:17 pm #
Are you prepared to “own” Obama’s attack on Pock-ee-stawn, nipply?
Better start thinking up your spin now.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 2:19 pm #
Good stuff, Ric. I’m 51, and voted once in a Presidential election. Against Al Gore simply because he was Al Gore and with that record, one had no choice but to do precisely that. I despise the Bush clan, that notwithstanding the junior’s being right on terror.
Really monolithic, ain’t it?
(Speaking of records, I recall as a kid that Goldwater had a really rousing one; the kind that went around on a player. Fun stuff, that, but I admit being easily entertained then. Not so much easily entertained now.)
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 2:20 pm #
Not in this case.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 2:20 pm #
“BTW assclown, you are assuming facts not in evidence. ”
you have confused your trolls, amigo.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 2:28 pm #
JH, the problem with your #79 elucidation of “classical liberalism” (snort) is it has never and will never be tried. It is a beautiful theory. But, just like your mommy telling you your wiener is special and not like anyone else’s, it may be true but still irrelevant. The beauty of the theory, and your wiener, is since it will never be tried, it will always remain perfect and unviolated. Real politics is not like this. Voters will vote in people who will give them what they want. Doing otherwise isn’t democracy. Though I guess it is “classical liberalism” (snort).
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 2:33 pm #
I think a nice parallel can be made with “classical liberalism” (snort) and Ayn Rand’s theories on economics (snort). Both are embraced by disaffected losers in a society that confuses them. The theories are impractical, unworkable, and utter fantasy. Again, neither will ever be tried in practice and can thus its adherents can claim only their perfect thoughts will save America from itself. Talk about adolescent.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 2:34 pm #
Oh, another parallel – both theories are derided by experts and people with experience in the fields. That isn’t coincidence, I believe.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 2:42 pm #
Finished, assclown?
I actually got a chuckle out of that wiener part. But the rest of your thoughts since we last spoke, aside from the amusing combination of hopefulness and insecurity, was yet another manifestation — nay, a brag upon — the might makes right credo. With an appeal to conventional wisdom (not in attendance or evidence, I might add) thrown in.
Oh. And the inconvenient part where self-government already proved itself starting some two hundred odd years ago. To return yet again to #79, you can deflect but you cannot revise.
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 2:46 pm #
Classic liberalism has never been tried? Are you fucking insane?
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/28 @ 2:49 pm #
Name a political philosophy that is perfect, or better yet, one that you feel America should embrace, assclown.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 2:58 pm #
assclown’s smarting, B Moe. Having run aground as early as #79, he’s now likely to flail around with the notion that O!cialism is dependable.
thor ran off. assclown should.
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 3:02 pm #
But does he really not realize that the Founding Fathers were classic liberals? That the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are seminal classic liberal documents? Either he is too ignorant to realize this, or he thinks we are, either of which is astounding.
Comment by JHoward on 12/28 @ 3:09 pm #
I’d expect so, B Moe.
Comment by Rusty on 12/28 @ 4:22 pm #
classical liberalism†(snort) is it has never and will never be tried.
It actually worked quite well up till “The New Deal”(snort)
Comment by thor on 12/28 @ 6:36 pm #
Bitch smack!
Comment by thor on 12/28 @ 7:04 pm #
Good Sir, have you not observed the surge in flag pin sales? Shows how much you know. Bush’s flagpinonomics has kept one Chinese flag pin factory running 24/7 and they still can’t meet demand for the shiny lapel ornaments.
How dare you cast doubt of McBushonomics!
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 7:42 pm #
Not “might makes right” but “fantasy in government and economics is hilarious”. Aligning yourselves with the Founders is just too cute. Laughable, but cute.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/28 @ 7:50 pm #
Founding Fathers and Classical Liberalism
Comment by Rusty on 12/28 @ 8:11 pm #
(snort)
Comment by B Moe on 12/28 @ 8:15 pm #
I guess that answers my question, assclown is as nuts as thor.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/28 @ 8:21 pm #
Seems rather rage-y. His parents probably didn’t approve of the assclowniness, hence the need to lash out during debate. Kind of sad really—a sad assclown.
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 11:34 pm #
“Founding Fathers and Classical Liberalism”
You are kidding with that link right? That is a wingnut welfare queen. He hasn’t worked an honest day in his life, what the fuck does he know about capitalism or “classical liberalism”?
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/29 @ 12:38 am #
but.. but… he’s got a PhD. from Columbia. and he’s written more books than Obama.
Comment by Mossberg500 on 12/29 @ 5:32 am #
You forgot to use the term “fuckwit” in your comment, you know, for the emphasis.
Comment by B Moe on 12/29 @ 6:24 am #
That is a wingnut welfare queen. He hasn’t worked an honest day in his life, what the fuck does he know about capitalism or “classical liberalism�
So let’s hear your resume, assclown. Where do you get your juice?
Comment by JHoward on 12/29 @ 7:17 am #
Speak’nawich, assclown just reached way down deep and mustered up a mighty tu quoque, thorboi. Behold, he administered it with great anger and all that saw of it murmured at the fury of it.
Smacked your tiny bitch ass by example, he did. Trolling done right.
You bore me, little man. I suspect its a common reaction.
Comment by JHoward on 12/29 @ 7:25 am #
Now, about assclown’s many mistaken views, assuming one credits Wikipedia with accuracy in the matter, it seems that no less a visible source fairly well sums up the clear parallels between classical liberalism and American history.
Certainly it does with respect to American political origins and founding theory:
Emphasis added. And matter closed.
Comment by BuddyPC on 12/29 @ 7:56 am #
22. Comment by parsnip on 12/27 @ 5:59 pm #
Obama’s favorables are up to 71% and his unfavorables are down to 19%, SBP.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111772/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Favorability.aspx
If anyone’s in a cult, it’s you haters.
Obama YesWeCan test-case Deval Patrick won election by a higher margin and had as high a giddy guiltless rating when inaugurated two years ago.
Today an equally high proportion of citizenry is eagerly waiting any ambassador nomination that gets him out of state quicker than the average MAssholes who embody their blue state values by moving to NH and TX.
Enjoy these moments.
Comment by assclown on 12/29 @ 11:26 am #
Show me a US politician running as a “classical liberal” and then we can talk. Until then, I’ll continue to laugh at you.
Comment by Carin on 12/29 @ 11:31 am #
Until then, I’ll continue to laugh at you.
Whatta shame, because up until now you’ve offered such cogent debate.
Comment by B Moe on 12/29 @ 1:16 pm #
Show me a US politician running as a “classical liberal†and then we can talk. Until then, I’ll continue to laugh at you.
What does that have to do with anything? Am I not allowed to hold a political philosophy unless it is officially sanctioned?
Comment by JHoward on 12/29 @ 2:00 pm #
Having been shown wrong on principle and on fact, B Moe, assclown resorts to proofs by acclaim.
And I resort to again challenging our leftist idiots to lay out how the political status quo works or why it should be defended. You know, that illusive leftist principle paper.
Because only the ass clowns of the world laugh at the hundreds of millions left dead by tyrannies.
Comment by Rusty on 12/29 @ 5:34 pm #
Comment by assclown on 12/28 @ 1:11 pm #
Let me put it another way – what conservative solution to a problem, enacted by Bush, has been a success?
Uhm? War on terror and tax cuts.(snort)
Comment by assclown on 12/29 @ 6:10 pm #
“Uhm? War on terror and tax cuts.(snort)”
AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA snort AHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah, pal. They were so successful that McCain barely mentioned them.
Comment by Rusty on 12/29 @ 8:31 pm #
#178
OK. Just as long as we agree.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 12/30 @ 12:07 am #
Why do you think that McCain is conservative?
Comment by Rusty on 12/30 @ 6:21 am #
He doesn’t think, that’s why it’s fun to poke him.
Beer cans
Comment by assclown on 12/30 @ 6:45 pm #
Up is downism.
Comment by maggie katzen on 12/30 @ 11:58 pm #
but.. but.. HUNDRED YEARS IN IRAQ!!!