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1. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 9:49 am #

   So, the Christopher Buckley’s of the world may be partially vindicated. Of course, they thought he would make the correct decisions because he was so fucking smart. Jules seems to suggest it’s more the lack of spine. Or ideas.

   Of course, this one issue was a no brainer. Health care. Jobs. Taxes. 2.5 million government jobs? Heh.

2. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/23 @ 9:55 am #

   Lots of good reading here, for those so inclined.

3. Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 10:09 am #

   Kos:
   “B-But, you promised!…”

   O!:
   “I sucked up to you guys for 2 years to get where I needed to be. Other people told you that you couldn’t bank on everything I said-don’t you recognize platitudes, Fool! Joey B. warned you guys that I may do something you wouldn’t like. But, you know, that’s change I can believe in…”

   “Besides, you got you’re invitation to one of the inaugural balls; be happy with your table scraps…”

4. Comment by ThomasD on 11/23 @ 10:11 am #

   It will be entertaining to watch this play out for the next few years. How many Obama suppoters will be willing to fess up that HopeandChange was just a marketing ploy with no real meaning? Admit that it’s all just window dressing in pursuit of raw power and postions of priviledge?

   I’m sure many have already made their peace with that, but how to draw them out and make their acquiesence public?

5. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 10:16 am #

   O/t: Che in Central Park.

6. Comment by happyfeet on 11/23 @ 11:19 am #

   Four women share how they create their unique literary lives. That’s super. I’m not giving my local dirty socialist bookstore my monies though and honestly bookstores are an anachronism already I think. We are propping up enough dinosaurs as it is and this whole deal is the same as those gay-assed torches and pitchforks against Wal-Mart peoples. We have a lot of those people here in Los Angeles. They can buy books wherever they like but I thought they were all about change?

7. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 11:26 am #

   “Chris Bowers of the influential OpenLeft.com blog complained:…”

   Never heard of him, or his blog.

8. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 11:30 am #

   “Markos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos site, the in-house talking shop for the anti-war Left, warned that Democrats risk sounding “tone deaf” to the views of “the American electorate that voted in overwhelming numbers for change from the discredited Bush policies.”

   PResident Bush wins by 51% and it’s a tremendous loss.

   O!bama winds by 52% and it’s a landslide, it’s “overwhelming numbers”.

   What a bunch of clowns the reactionary left is.

9. Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:36 am #

   I’m bummed on account of being unable to read Jules blog. My newer computer frazzled a couple of days ago, I’ve had to revert to an old Mac tower (circa 1998) while trying to fix it and some things just load empty pages (Jules, Vodkapundit, for instance). Could one of you all maybe clip and paste parts of the good bits? Just the gisty stuff would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

10. Comment by happyfeet on 11/23 @ 11:45 am #

    Jules says…

    Tragic irony alert. They hated Hill because she hearted the invasion of Iraq, and only turned against it in a naked bid to become president. They even bared their venerable breasts at her in their rage. They loved Obama because he was pure. He always hated the Iraq war, even before anyone cared what he thought. It was going to be a shining city on a hill, where AmeriKKKa would be Goddamned and humiliated in the world. Surrenderpalooza. But the standard bearer of change … has changed. How long now before the Change-Hoper is confronted with the breasts of wrath?

    and then he links a telegraph article cause we don’t have a domestic press what can cover these sorts of things anymore.

    jules also says…

    UK Telegraph posits that there is a “fine line Mr Obama must walk between appearing to reach out to former opponents and keeping his grassroot supporters happy.” Sounds like a polite way of saying he’s a gutless wonder, who got scared when he suddenly realized he actually was stuck with a war and had two choices, keep winning or start losing. What would a mandate holder with a Congress in the hands of anti-war Dems need to placate the warmongers for? As for placating his primary opponent, get a room already!

    As heartening as it may be to see evidence of common sense, the concern going forward is that Obama has shown himself to be lacking principles as well as a spine. Not good traits in a wartime president, particularly in times of economic turmoil.

    And then this part is gisty…

    clearly the 2012 campaign has already begun, and Obama doesn’t want to go into it as the president who bollixed Iraq and Afghanistan, in addition to saddling voters with and/or bungling whatever Frankenstein’s monster of nationalized health they come up with, introducing America to Massachusetts gun controls or worse, and removing all restrictions on abortion, etc. Though maybe, if he’s lucky, the economy will turn itself around enough by then that he can claim a win there.

    The jules links another telegraph article cause we don’t have a domestic press what can cover these sorts of things anymore.

    That’s the gist of it there.

11. Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:48 am #

    Thanks a bunch hf, that helps very much.

12. Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 11:49 am #

    Most shocking to Mr Obama’s team is the loss of discipline and control that they have experienced since coming to Washington.

    This is exactly what I was referring to in the previous thread. It is real easy to have a big tent web of a thousand points of hopey changey lights when your team is on the outside throwing rocks at the castle wall. Once you win, and suddenly realize only one of you can sit on the throne shit gets a lot harder.

13. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 11:52 am #

    From that four lady book thing:
    Look, it’s a tough business. You will not reap satisfaction in a $big$ deal, you will not discover contentment when you make the NYT’s bestseller list, the reviews will give you no solace. The true joy in the writer’s life is found in the writing. It is the only time you’ll feel whole. Write what you love, write your passion, and then you’ll know exactly where your work fits in relation to others.

    No wonder so many literary types are socialists. Call me a capitalist pig, but I would think that there would be major satisfaction from a bit $$ deal.

    I suppose these people would just be happiest if they wrote in their diary.

14. Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:54 am #

    I saw FDR’s grandson Curtis on C-Spa this am saying that FDR read six newspapers every day. I then thought, oh jesus, I hope PE Obama doesn’t pick up that habit as it will take forever to clear his head of all the disinformation he’ll be coming away with and that can’t be too good for the country to have a president believing so much errant nonsense.

15. Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:55 am #

    n

16. Comment by happyfeet on 11/23 @ 11:56 am #

    One of my boss people here wrote a few scripts for a big tv show that was popular and is very a lot syndicated even now but what I never thought was particularly dazzling and he got lots of ching ching but was so upset with what they did to the script he never did it again. I never got that. It really tore him up though for real. He lives in a very nice house cause of it.

17. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 12:07 pm #

    Writers who get paid (well) yet are tormenting because their writing isn’t true to their soul… you know, they can just go back to writing in that diary. That’s what you should get your boss-people.
    He can write just for himself and finally have total satisfaction.

18. Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 12:15 pm #

    “She’ll do a good job but she’ll do it for herself, not for Barack. …”

    On the one hand I wish the anonymous “veteran[s] of the campaign” that made this statement could see that this is precisely how growing economies are supposed to work. On the other hand, I’d hope that this same anonymous “v.o.t.c.” would stop to think that while the Secretary of State may be appointed by the President, she ought to work for the good of the nation first, not the good of the person holding the Presidency. If she can accomplish both ends in the same act, so much the better, but if not, serve the nation first, let Pres Obama come second, please.

19. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/23 @ 12:20 pm #

    I see via Insty that Hillary has demanded a purge of all the people who said bad things about her during the campaign, and Baracky is obligingly throwing them under the bus.

20. Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/23 @ 12:25 pm #

    He can write just for himself and finally have total satisfaction.

    I do that. It is satisfying. But the problem Pres. Obama has is that he has to staff a government, and as Ric pointed out where is he going to find people who have the vaguest idea what a department does? The last administration.

    With regard to Sen. Clinton, he could offer her SoS, or he could leave her in the Senate, where she could build up a clique that would have to be bought off before every vote. What to do, what to do.

21. Comment by happyfeet on 11/23 @ 12:34 pm #

    He’s doing books what are for the children now I think. We’ve lost touch kind of.

22. Comment by Ric Locke on 11/23 @ 1:05 pm #

    There does exist a “writer” personality who can’t live without stringing words together, but for whom where the words go after that is immaterial, or almost so. That shades upwards to these females, who are desperate for validation — for somebody else to read their stuff and congratulate them for it. I’m a good critiquer and editor, and I’ve got two very minor published writers (and one who, unfortunately, died before the contract could be signed) to establish it. I don’t get along well at all with the upper sigmas of the validation seekers, who are looking for, as another editor put it, “…five pages of closely reasoned praise.” That bunch doesn’t meet my standards, for instance.

    Regards,
    Ric

23. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 1:11 pm #

    I read a review of Stephanie Meyer’s book and they ripped her apart for this, that and the other thing. You know, in 100 years no one may remember her vampire books. But, today she’s getting paid.

    Not everyone can write a book for the ages, so I would say you write what you can and you let the ages sort it out.

    Myself? I’m just a reader. What do I know.

24. Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/23 @ 1:28 pm #

    #22 Ric:

    I am guessing that wasn’t an insult to those of us who get an inspiration/day dream and just write it down for fun?

    #23 Carin:

    My goal is to figure out when I die, and before that burn everything. The last ting I need is to have my nephews, after the funeral, going through things and saying, ‘Uncle Mike was really one weird guy, wasn’t he?’

25. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 1:41 pm #

    “Comment by happyfeet on 11/23 @ 11:56 am #

    One of my boss people here wrote a few scripts for a big tv show that was popular and is very a lot syndicated even now but what I never thought was particularly dazzling and he got lots of ching ching but was so upset with what they did to the script he never did it again. I never got that. It really tore him up though for real. He lives in a very nice house cause of it.”

    Check this out, via wiki p:

    Harlan Ellison….

    “The Starlost
    The screenplay for his projected television series The Starlost was also given a Writers Guild Award, though the actual series, produced in 1972-73, was so altered by the producers that Ellison had his name removed from the credits and replaced with the pseudonym “Cordwainer Bird”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordwainer_Bird#Cordwainer_Bird

    Harlan was/is a very creative guy. He wrote “A Boy and his Dog”

26. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 1:50 pm #

    “To me the acme of prose style is exemplified by that simple, graceful clause: “Pay to the order of. . . .”‘

    -Robert A. Heinlein

27. Comment by Carin on 11/23 @ 1:51 pm #

    HA!!!! That’s funny!

28. Comment by cranky-d on 11/23 @ 2:05 pm #

    As RuPaul famously sung (well, somewhat), “I just wanna get paid.”

29. Comment by Ric Locke on 11/23 @ 3:10 pm #

    Mikey, I don’t consider it an insult to anyone, simply a matter of observation.

    I’m the last one who should be calling people out for issuing Deathless Prose :-)

    Regards,
    Ric

30. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 3:15 pm #

    Oh, the Ellison thing: he wrote a slowboat story, a multi-generational trip to the stars. Generations into the trip, everyone has forgotten the purpose, the technology, the reason.

    Basically a mystery where the protagonists have to find out what the hell is going on, with the denouement being the discovery of the ship’s bridge, and regaining control.

    The producer had them find the bridge in episode 1.

31. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/23 @ 3:26 pm #

    N’O, you probably know that Heinlein came up with that idea first (but then, what SF idea didn’t he come up with first?).

    I’d love to see a competent big-screen adaptation of Orphans of the Sky/Universe.

32. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 3:36 pm #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/23 @ 3:26 pm #

    [air kisses]

    Ooooo, mon ami!

33. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/23 @ 3:40 pm #

    Actually, I’d like to see a competent big-screen adaptation of anything by RAH.

34. Comment by Akatsukami on 11/23 @ 4:39 pm #

    I was going to comment on this. But Bob Reed has already said what I’d intended to.

    Except for this: Team Netroots is now 1-for-20. And the One turns out to be the Messiah, alright…the Second Coming of Bill Clinton.

35. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/23 @ 4:41 pm #

    I’d love to see a competent big-screen adaptation of Orphans of the Sky/Universe.

    Won’t happen for a few years, if ever. The recent movie “City of Ember” has pretty much the same plot, but set in an underground shelter against some unspecified disaster.

    I heard it was pretty good, but I’m a little saddened someone just didn’t make Orphans of the Sky.

36. Comment by McGehee on 11/23 @ 5:55 pm #

    One thing about feedback for writing is, I despise flattery. I don’t take it well and I refuse to shovel it onto others. The best feedback I’ve been getting on my current fiction-writing projects runs along the lines of, “Keep writing, I want to know what happens next.”

    To which I silently reply, “Me too.”

37. Comment by geoffb on 11/23 @ 9:36 pm #

    “Hillary has demanded a purge of all the people who said bad things about her during the campaign”

    And we find,

    “Foremost among the victims of the purges is her old Yale Law School buddy Greg Craig,”

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Shipping little boys into slavery is such a well paying gig.

    Wasn’t he commenting here a couple days ago

38. Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 9:41 pm #

    I am pretty sure that was someone pretending to me him, as evil as Craig is he is definitely smarter than that fool was.

39. Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 9:41 pm #

    *to be him*

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