“An interview with Weathermen insider/FBI informant Larry Grathwohl”
From Bob Owens, writing for Pajamas Media — who may or may not have provided him with press credentials, and one of those really boss cardboard microphone wraparounds.
As you’ll recall, Grathwohl spoke of the Weathermen’s plans for a revolution / re-education / extermination agenda in a 1982 documentary, an excerpt from which I posted here.
A few notable exchanges:
Pajamas Media: You stated in your interview in No Place to Hide that you wanted us to Ã¢â‚¬Å“imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.Ã¢â‚¬Â A lot of people have now had the opportunity to listen to you, and contemplate the horrors these people planned. Can you recall who these people are by name, and who the ringleaders of this plan were?
Larry Grathwohl: Conversations regarding this occurred in Cincinnati, Detroit, Flint, and Buffalo. Participants included Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and many others.
Pajamas Media: Was this merely an academic matter to them, or were they serious about killing 25 million Americans that would not bend to their political will?
Larry Grathwohl: I suppose you could consider this a purely academic discussion in that the Weathermen never had the opportunity to implement their political ends. However, I can assure you that this was not the case. There was an absolute belief that they, along with the international revolutionary movement, would cause the collapse of the United States and that they would be in charge. Nixon was of great concern and how his end would be conducted. This may sound absurd in todayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s context, but the Weatherman believed they would succeed.
Pajamas Media: Did they ever devise a cover story to explain to the rest of America how roughly one in ten [25 million recalcitrant capitalists slated for elimination – ed] disappeared?
Larry Grathwohl: When I suggested that this might be a difficult proposition they looked at me like I had three heads. They would be in charge! They would be in control! Who would oppose them? Lambs to the slaughter I guess.
Pajamas Media: Would you let your children attend a college or university class taught by Ayers or his wife, Bernadine Dohrn? What would you tell parents who have had their children exposed to AyersÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ academic programs, like the Small Schools Workshop?
Larry Grathwohl: As for BillyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ideas on education, isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it apparent? Reading, writing, and arithmetic arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t important! Radicalism is whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s important. Fits right in with the Billy Ayers view of creating mindless soldiers to follow his commands Ã¢â‚¬â€ where best to lay the foundations of a revolution than with the young?
Pajamas Media: Do you think there is there any way that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama could not have known that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist? Is there any reason that the American people should accept Barack ObamaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s newest excuse about his relationship with Bill Ayers, where Obama claimed that he thought Ayers was Ã¢â‚¬Å“reformedÃ¢â‚¬Â?
Larry Grathwohl: If we are to believe Mr. Obama, he just didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know Billy was as radical as he apparently is. Really? Just like he didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know the Rev. Wright was as radical as he is? Obama is a politician and he wants me to believe that he never discussed politics with the Rev Wright or Billy Ayers?
If you read the whole interview, it becomes apparent that, at least to Grathwohl, Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.
Power at all cost. Attack by proxy. A sense of entitlement. The arrogant notion that of course he should be in charge of the revolution and the refiguration of the country and all its citizens. A cadre of sycophants willing to follow his lead, oftentimes without question. A complete and utter disregard for the bourgeois rules of the “Establishment” — be it the law, the courts, or the principles upon which this country was founded.
Sounds to me like he built Obama into a polished, improved (in the Alinsky sense), multicultural likeness of himself — and has taught him to play the system and build his own army of political golems.
From what I can see, the only real differences between Obama and Ayers, ideologically speaking, is that the former has replaced homemade explosives and a plan to overthrow the established order from without with vague populist promises and the desire to undermine the established order from within.