October 28, 2008

“An interview with Weathermen insider/FBI informant Larry Grathwohl”

From Bob Owens, writing for Pajamas Media — who may or may not have provided him with press credentials, and one of those really boss cardboard microphone wraparounds.

As you’ll recall, Grathwohl spoke of the Weathermen’s plans for a revolution / re-education / extermination agenda in a 1982 documentary, an excerpt from which I posted here.

A few notable exchanges:

Pajamas Media: You stated in your interview in No Place to Hide that you wanted us to “imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.” A lot of people have now had the opportunity to listen to you, and contemplate the horrors these people planned. Can you recall who these people are by name, and who the ringleaders of this plan were?

Larry Grathwohl: Conversations regarding this occurred in Cincinnati, Detroit, Flint, and Buffalo. Participants included Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and many others.

Pajamas Media: Was this merely an academic matter to them, or were they serious about killing 25 million Americans that would not bend to their political will?

Larry Grathwohl: I suppose you could consider this a purely academic discussion in that the Weathermen never had the opportunity to implement their political ends. However, I can assure you that this was not the case. There was an absolute belief that they, along with the international revolutionary movement, would cause the collapse of the United States and that they would be in charge. Nixon was of great concern and how his end would be conducted. This may sound absurd in today’s context, but the Weatherman believed they would succeed.

Pajamas Media: Did they ever devise a cover story to explain to the rest of America how roughly one in ten [25 million recalcitrant capitalists slated for elimination – ed] disappeared?

Larry Grathwohl: When I suggested that this might be a difficult proposition they looked at me like I had three heads. They would be in charge! They would be in control! Who would oppose them? Lambs to the slaughter I guess.

[…]

Pajamas Media: Would you let your children attend a college or university class taught by Ayers or his wife, Bernadine Dohrn? What would you tell parents who have had their children exposed to Ayers’ academic programs, like the Small Schools Workshop?

Larry Grathwohl: As for Billy’s ideas on education, isn’t it apparent? Reading, writing, and arithmetic aren’t important! Radicalism is what’s important. Fits right in with the Billy Ayers view of creating mindless soldiers to follow his commands — where best to lay the foundations of a revolution than with the young?

Pajamas Media: Do you think there is there any way that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama could not have known that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist? Is there any reason that the American people should accept Barack Obama’s newest excuse about his relationship with Bill Ayers, where Obama claimed that he thought Ayers was “reformed”?

Larry Grathwohl: If we are to believe Mr. Obama, he just didn’t know Billy was as radical as he apparently is. Really? Just like he didn’t know the Rev. Wright was as radical as he is? Obama is a politician and he wants me to believe that he never discussed politics with the Rev Wright or Billy Ayers?

If you read the whole interview, it becomes apparent that, at least to Grathwohl, Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.

Power at all cost. Attack by proxy. A sense of entitlement. The arrogant notion that of course he should be in charge of the revolution and the refiguration of the country and all its citizens. A cadre of sycophants willing to follow his lead, oftentimes without question. A complete and utter disregard for the bourgeois rules of the “Establishment” — be it the law, the courts, or the principles upon which this country was founded.

Sounds to me like he built Obama into a polished, improved (in the Alinsky sense), multicultural likeness of himself — and has taught him to play the system and build his own army of political golems.

From what I can see, the only real differences between Obama and Ayers, ideologically speaking, is that the former has replaced homemade explosives and a plan to overthrow the established order from without with vague populist promises and the desire to undermine the established order from within.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:40am
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Comments (31)

  1. Just liberals in a hurry, they are.

  2. Not liberal in the slightest degree. They never were. Never will be. Take back the word. These bastards don’t deserve it.

  3. If we are to believe Mr. Obama, he just didn’t know Billy was as radical as he apparently is. Really? Just like he didn’t know the Rev. Wright was as radical as he is? Obama is a politician and he wants me to believe that he never discussed politics with the Rev Wright or Billy Ayers?

    That sent a cold chill down my spine.

  4. So an internet reporting agency with limited budget was able to find this but all our main news organizations with multi-million dollar budgets are too busy spending their resources covering the price of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe? Awesome.

  5. all our main news organizations with multi-million dollar budgets are too busy spending their resources covering the price of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe?

    Just wait ’til Wal Mart starts catching these elites on this all important front. Then where they gonna run to?

    Hence, Obama – that is, no more Wal Marts.

  6. Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work.

    There it is, in a nutshell — simply substitute “Obama” for “Ayers”. Stand above the fray, assume the pose of the oft-sinned against martyr, and let your thugs steal the country for you. It’s great to be the king!!

  7. Notice that when Jay Leno gave Michelle Obama an opportunity to say how stupid this Palin clothing business is and we can presume, the opportunity to proclaim that she, Michelle, would not play this silly game, instead Michelle stepped up to the plate with “This is an all J-Crew ensemble” while motioning model like to her get-up. Oh, these Obama’s are post-partisan all right. Post-partisan in the sense they’d be perfectly happy to find themselves standing over you with their boot on your neck.

  8. Kinda stunned that “Billy’s” new book is about to be released — “Race Course against White Supremacy” And published by Third World Press.

    Incredible. Absolutely amazingly dumbfoundedly twilight-zonishly incredible.

  9. Megalomania: a delusional mental disorder that is marked by feelings of personal omnipotence and grandeur.

    Sick, yes, but fabulous self-esteem!

  10. Obama will be president, not Ayers. We can hope that Billy may be disappointed at how much control he actually has over “the boss”. I think Obama is quite capable of using Ayers and Wright to forward his goals and then dropping them like used kleenex.

  11. So an internet reporting agency with limited budget was able to find this but all our main news organizations with multi-million dollar budgets are too busy spending their resources covering the price of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe?

    I don’t know if it’s even all that. Bob Owens has broken new journalistic ground all by himself, and he’s been doing it for a while. He’s got this crazy strategy. He calls and emails people and asks them pertinent questions. It’s off the wall, I know, but it seems to work, this citizen journalism thing.

  12. Do you think there is there any way that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama could not have known that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist?

    Guys like Bill Ayers wear their shitty politics on their sleeve. They are proud of their “non-conforming” politics. There is no way that you could get within a mile of this scumbag without getting a whiff of his political stench. So Barack not only knew but toleterated the sweer patchouli of Ayers agenda.

    And that he was good for only spouting hate from late night bong sessions is not at all a surprise. The discoverer of the cure for cancer or the inventor of the perpetual motion machine probably met an untimely fate in Da-Nang while this piece fo shit still draws oxygen.

    Ayers reminds me of my high school American Lit teacher. An proud member of college radicals in the 60s who was proud of his bonafides as a counter-culture revolutionary at U-Wisconsin-Madison. Of course the reading list was a hodgepodge of 60s anti-war literature and every lecture was an seminar on the evils of Reagan administration and the plight of the poor Sandanista’s.

    Turns out the wormy little fuck was at UW for a semester before his mom made him transfer to Yale. And the extent of his radical credentials were made up of holing up in the English dept of a NE Prep school spouting his anti military-industrial bullshit to trust fund kids.

    Seth Bardo, theres a punch waiting for you, if we ever cross paths.

  13. As far as Ayers is concerned, I have been chuckling to myself ever since I watched the O’Reilley tape where the FOX producer attmepted to interview the little fuck…

    … and caught Ayers coming back from somewhere in his fresh and edgy little Red Star tee shirt.

    Ayers is patently a weasel, coward, and tool. He’s just as much a frustrated murderer and as much a terrorist as any alQ mook crouched in a cave in Pakistan today. But if this was 1978, that segment would have been replayed verbatim on Saturday Night Live. All good jokes are based on tragedy.

    I’m going to link this Sowell piece on my blog and attempt to have the wife read it.

    We live in troubling times.

  14. “If you read the whole interview, it becomes apparent that, at least to Grathwohl, Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.”

    Of course “leaders” like Ayers were never in the front lines of the riot, tossing baggies full of piss at the cops.

  15. What a great article and kudos to Bob Owens and protein wisdom. The horrible part is that some families lost their police husbands to this creep Ayers – boy do I wish they could go after him and put him in jail where he belongs.

  16. “If you read the whole interview, it becomes apparent that, at least to Grathwohl, Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.”

    Sounds disturbingly like another man, currrently serving hard time with a swastika carved quaintly into his forehead.

  17. .. Ayers is an egoist .. is really an understatement. There is no way that Barack Obama became chair of the CAC without Ayers express consent, and Ayers would ONLY allow that spot to go to someone with two unshakeable principles: Personal loyalty to Billy Ayers, and Political Reliability.

  18. “Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.”

    Well, no wonder Bernadine admired Manson so. Charlie sent his girls (along with Tex Watson) out to do his dirty work for him while he “hung back” and led them from the rear. He also used them to recruit newbies into his cult of personality.

    Michelle has been photographed often enough in designer custom clothes. J Crew my ass.

  19. Michelle stepped up to the plate with “This is an all J-Crew ensemble” while motioning model like to her get-up.

    I think poor Michelle has confused thinking she is “Miss Thing” with being The Thing.

  20. ALL THIS RHETORIC SOUNDS GREAT BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS HOW DO WE STOP THE TAKE OVER OF OBAMA AND HIS CREW…..WE ARE ALL IN DEEP DOODOO AND MUST FIND A WAY TO STOP HIM AND HIS CRONIES FROM UNDERMINING 200 HUNDRED YEARS OF HARD FOUGHT HISTORY AND FREEDOM…..

  21. Margie, what’s with all the yelling?

    Here’s what you do…vote.

  22. Obama will be president, not Ayers. We can hope that Billy may be disappointed at how much control he actually has over “the boss”. I think Obama is quite capable of using Ayers and Wright to forward his goals and then dropping them like used kleenex.

    While there may be some truth in that – they both have overblown egos – but I don’t think Barry is anywhere near that decisive. How else do you describe voting “present” 132 times but “indecisive”?

    No, I’m quite certain that Ayers, Dohrn, Wright and the rest of the corrupt Chicago political machine will always have their hooks in him.

  23. The tiresomeness of Ayers is overwhelming. Why the fuck do I have keep hearing about this waste of skin, this leftover’s leftover? Why is Manson in prison but he is not?

    Is Charlie’s real sin that he killed an actress while Ayers just killed cops and little people?

  24. Exactly right, MARGIE. Seriously, are you armed? It’s not sufficient, but it is necessary. If you aren’t, do it. Buy heap plenty ammo.

    I’m already out in the boonies amongst a bunch of rednecks, x 30 years, which might help – both as a defense and a platform for offense. Consider a move to a more freedom-loving area.

    Discrediting Communism might help. Knowing thy Enemy helps.

    Home schooling has helped.

    Defunding the Progressive agencies should help, along with funding the Classical Liberal ones – fund Jeff, for example.

    The Progressives tell us what their weak points are, incessantly – hypocrisy, bigotry, the inability to think rationally and to even have real values. So it’s partly about tearing down their own delusions as to their superiority.

    Penetrate the Cult Bubble where ever possible, and especially on a personal level. They hate that when it happens, because it shows them to be inferior.

    And they are almost all whusses par excellance, and generally inept.

    But, you are right. We need to start planning, and regardless of this election’s outcome.

  25. For those who can’t understand why Ayers and Dohrn walk free, think Watergate, the FBI prosecutions, “black bag break-ins” and “Deep Throat,” Mark Felt. The dismissal of federal charges against the Weathermen was one of the dominoes to fall in the chain — encouraged, without a doubt, by some very powerful men, not least of which was Bill Ayers father, Tom Ayers. Unfortunately, I can’t easily find a more sane link that this whacky left one, featuring an interview with Dohrn’s sister, Jennifer, also a faithful WU member, and currently on the staff of Columbia U. School of Nursing. At least you can glean the nuggets of the history from the leftist agiprop.
    What struck me about the Grathwohl interview is this: where the heck are the others? Where are all the FBI agents, local police and federal prosecutors who spent months and years investigating these people? So far, all we’ve seen is Grathwohl and a victim, Murtagh, but where are the others?

    Granted, most of the killing, bombing and mutilation took place about 30+ years ago, but as recently as 2000, the San Fran police re-opened the case of two policemen killed there in ’70 and ’71. In 2002 they turned over evidence to the US attorney, who convened a federal grand jury which subpoenaed 20-30 former members of the Weather Underground, Black Panthers and Black Liberation Army — with Bernardine Dohrn’s name first on the list. Nothing came of it, but where are the police and prosecutors involved? Why are they mute?

    Yes, I know it’s a rhetorical question, dammit.

  26. Ayers is an egoist — but one who placed others at risk, counting on them to do much of the dirty work. Grathwohl notes that oftentimes Ayers left the heavy lifting to the women in the movement, while he himself wanted nothing more than to be in charge.”

    Exactly the way a biographer of Mao decribed him-Mao.

  27. MUST FIND A WAY TO STOP HIM AND HIS CRONIES FROM UNDERMINING 200 HUNDRED YEARS OF HARD FOUGHT HISTORY AND FREEDOM…..

    <tapping keys on calculator>

    That’s 20,000 years.

    I need to get back to that library, I’ve missed a few things.

  28. It’s funny…if you substitute “Dick Cheney” for “Bill Ayres” in this article, it still makes sense.

    Ever spend time studying the PNAC? Billy Ayres isn’t the only domestic terrorist who would like to eliminate 20 million Americans at a swipe.

  29. if you substitute “Dick Cheney” for “Bill Ayres” in this article, it still makes sense.

    “If you’re a fucking psychotic”, understood?

  30. I used to study my PNAC all the time. Then when I was 3 my mom told me to stop staring at it or it would always stay that size.

  31. oh. misinformation, pretty sure.

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