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October 15, 2008
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Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/15 @ 11:36 pm #
The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.
Provable lie.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 5:47 am #
Provable lie.
One of many
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 5:53 am #
Now that it’s basically over, I renew my challenge to any leftist to isolate, identify, and defend anything remotely resembling a valid, noble, maintainable humanist principle served by what’s about to happen next.
I mean other than sheer collectivism, but then that fails those parameters, right?
Shouldn’t be hard to do, right? Just explain the O! platform and why, based on a working theory of desirable behavior supported by either history or simple reason, it’s assumed to be superior to the past four or eight years. Or the past 230 if you wish.
Me, for the next four years, if I survive that long, I’ll be watching Congress’ approval ratings, economic indicators, my rights, and passed legislation. Prior to that I guarantee that the average America is about to walk away from the next four years in profound disappointment.
Which is not to say that he’ll make the right decision next time — this election, according to Ace, is about a white-hot anger about the economy…a conclusion to basically what FDR put into place. Which is to say that O! stands no chance, wishing his little egotistical messianic heart out, of willing his Utopia into being. Responding to economic circumstances brought about by tacitly nationalizing the monetary system by electing a full-on collectivist is sheer folly. Obviously, it’s gasoline on flames.
No, this is going to prove the hard way that collectivism is incompatible with this country and this country is incompatible with a one-party majority ruling class filled with parasites and manipulators. The Democrat majority, currently at 12% approval, will have precisely zero ability to restore markets, instead jerking them up momentarily with a three hundred billion dollar Pelosi mainline and then another and another until the panic sets in. That majority has only the destructive power inherent to governments, the power to continue to manipulate the proceeds of others for itself and its parasitic constituents.
So. Tell me why the leftist platform is to be preferred. After a half dozen direct invitations, one particular resident troll never took a single swing at that opportunity, by his lack of words admitting it has, of course, nothing to either defend or recommend it.
Instead it represents the eventual legalization of overt envy and theft and the simple reallocation of the ownership of production, thereby ruining it, which is exactly what “spreading the wealth around” for
plumbersradicals and takers means.O! wins because of a misplaced anger at central government. And because he’s taller, darker, and lies better. None of that constitutes anything of a foundation.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 6:13 am #
JHoward, you’re never going to get an answer. I mean, any answer other than Bush/Republican bashing.
Michigan saw what happened when you raised taxes. It was at the forfront of the housing crises and the median home sale in Detroit is, get this, around 8,000. No, I did not forget a zero.
Business that couldn’t cope with the tax went under and people were unemployed. Business that didn’t WANT to cope with the tax moved out of state. Business that wanted to avoid the whole mess in the first place never moved their factories here.
Detroit is a mess of Democratic failures. From education to welfare policy. The primordial soup of liberal disaster. Crime, unemployment, uneducated (50% illiteracy rate, thankyouverymuch).
Welcome to our future.
Oh, I’m sure the tony liberal suburbs will be fine.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 6:16 am #
which is exactly what “spreading the wealth around†for plumbers radicals and takers means.
Bumpersticker:
“We are PLUMB fucked!”
*with a picture of a monkey wrench.
oops. racist wrench
Comment by Benedick on 10/16 @ 6:19 am #
Monkey wrench?
Self-denunciation in 3-2-1 . . .
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 6:21 am #
Great story for the 90 day moratorium on foreclosures. There are more than 2 homeowners across the country who are squatting in their house, not paying the mort. and daring the lender to kick them out. For 90 days? Try a year and a half. They wait for the Sheriff sale and then they might pay what’s required to stay in for another stint. The lender is getting pressure to not foreclose because of bad press. (racist redlining homeless making bastards).
While the gamers of the system (eg. hoot) lay around in the unpaid house collecting disability and playing guitar hero – with embedded Barack Obama ads.
Welcome to Idiocracy
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 6:23 am #
and by more than 2, I’m guessing I mean thousands.
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 6:28 am #
But…but…that’s the failure of capitalism, alppuccino. Send
the IraniansO! your fax number.Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 6:31 am #
Moonbats project into O! their wishes. The inverse of that rather significant problem is that O! is precisely the vessel to do so with:
http://www.khow.com/pages/caplisreport.html
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 6:52 am #
I wonder, though, if the the horrible happens and O! is the One … what the hell are all the liberal bloggers gonna DO? i mean, their “message” has merely been to bash Bush. What are they going to do when the Repbulicans are in the minority? The cheerleading session can only go on so long.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 7:01 am #
Don’t forget the War Crimes Superbowl Carin. I would think the media would lick their chops at going all Nuremberg on GWB.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 7:01 am #
I am sure they will just move their blogs on to more germane topics such as blaming any downturn in the economy, world affairs, or “civil discourse”, on the past administration or racism. Trying to disguise blatant socialism as mainstream ideas will also require alot of work.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/16 @ 7:04 am #
This election’s not over yet folks. All things being equal, McCain had a fairly good night, and O! wasn’t nearly as cool and smooth, as evinced by his facial expressions in the split screen, as he may have wanted to be. He was playing a prevent defense, knowing that the ball has bounced his way-big time!-owing to the October surprise of the Wall street metltdown. But, having said that, those of us that follow football knows what often happens when utilizing a prevent defense…
McCain was far from perfect last night. Two areas where I was particularly disappointed were when he didn’t challenge O! on his “tax break for 95% of Americans” meme, and when he didn’t use the debates final discussion of education policy to highlight the detrimental and insidious nature of Ayers and O!s education philosophy and grant policies at CAC. Not only would it have been an opportunity to talk about Ayers again, and how he espouses the “hate America first through social justice teaching” school of pedagogy, but it would have been a great opportunity to reference a half baked give-away program run by O! that never achieved the desired results…
While there are other things that disappointed us all, I’m sure, look on the bright side. To begin with, Mav called him forcefully on the who Booooosh=McSame meme; it had kind of a Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle, “I knew Jack Kennedy and Senator you are no Jack Kennedy”, feel to it. Also, He called O! on his tax policy, cited his discussion of wealth redistribution with Joe the plumber, called him out on his abortion posture fakery, called his camp on the liberal employment of the race card, kept stressing that he was gonna raise everyone’s taxes, and pointed out the wide gap between what O! says he’s gonna do and what really happens after the election is over and the promises go unkept…
This election is far from over, folks. I predict that the polls are gonna narrow significantly over the next few days. And when they do, remember what happens when you play prevent defense in a close game…
Buck up, and remember, even if you cant stand McCain, you’re voting against O!
Comment by alppuccino on 10/16 @ 7:19 am #
Conspiracy Theory #43:
Americans are fruit flies. OPEC knows Americans are fruit flies. When Oil was at $150/barrel, the Dems looked like a bunch of tools, and it was turning the tide. At that point Americans were very interested in having a domestic oil supply. OPEC drops the price to help the Dems, and the fruit flys?: “What foreign oil problem?”
Comment by U-238 on 10/16 @ 7:27 am #
I’m still expecting the immplications of the Bradley effect.
These polls may not be fabricated by the media but they also aren’t right. I know a handful of Democrats and half of them have said they won’t vote for Obama to me. However, they say they will to each other. Whom are they lying to? I don’t know. What I do know is that they have no problem with lying and that makes for unreliable polls.
Comment by SDN on 10/16 @ 7:34 am #
If you want a depressingly clear picture of where this country is headed, John Ringo’s “The New Centurion” (published by Baen Books) provides it. I’ll just say that where President Warrick ended up is where I expect O! to start.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 7:49 am #
Anyone want to start a countdown until dissent becomes racist?
Comment by happyfeet on 10/16 @ 7:59 am #
So now Baracky’s media will focus mostly on demoralizing Republicans specifically to try and suppress the vote. Mostly what’s the use haven’t you seen the polls you stupid Republican stories and acting like Baracky is already pezzydent with a preview of his administration stories. That and the zomg it’s the Greaterest Depression stories is pretty much all we can for sure expect til this is over. But it’s not over I don’t think. What disturbs me is that lots of people what should get out there and prevent the socialisms seem to get a secret or not so secret anticipatory thrill of what’s coming. This is wrong. Socialism hurts people and destroys their character and it’s not as reversible as you think. This is why the biggest problem we’ve for real had in getting Iraq on track is corruption. Socialism is a disease not an event.
Comment by Pablo on 10/16 @ 7:59 am #
1. He got a tax cut, one that the Dems have been screeching about since and currently refer to as “failed economic policies” in need of CHANGE!!!
2. Five years later, Joe is about to buy a business that must be worth several million dollars. It seems that Joe’s been doing just fine without any help from O!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 8:02 am #
Joe is about to get screwed. The little O! zombies will be taking all his money and throwing it down the shitter.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/16 @ 8:09 am #
collecting disability and playing guitar hero – with embedded Barack Obama ads
oh. al has distillated a defining image. I’d been looking but there it is.
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 8:26 am #
There’s nothing thrilling about this, ‘feets, especially when it exposes one’s fellows as clearly as they have been lately. The media is openly complicit, self-interested leftist establishmentarians blithely deny that that’s exactly what they are, half the land is lulled into a sense of government as provider, and the Dems in Congress are, without question, already preparing the most vile assaults on rights we’ve seen yet and doing anything but calling it the outright theft it really is.
As you say, this isn’t easily reversible. This hurts people.
It certainly does, not least of which are the fools clamoring for it solely on the basis of clear BDR and a general foolhardiness about everything from markets, to who runs the country and why, to personal responsibility, to history.
One tries to be optimistic and the only optimism lies in seeing new lessons learned and then, hopefully, a shift back to reason. The majority has finally fully squandered the American birthright and is considering electing a flagrant fraud. The notion of recovery is all we have.
Comment by urthshu on 10/16 @ 8:30 am #
Had an interesting, heated discussion last night w/ a Dem, 30ish white male, Hillary-supporter.
Highlights:
-Hates Baracky
-Afraid of Palin. Believes that McC will die in office and leave an ‘unqualified b!tch’ in office.
-Admits readily that Baracky has less experience than Palin. Nevertheless will still vote O!
-Believes strongly that O! will lose due to racism and Bradley Effect. Has no answer on the MSM boosterism since he believes that the MSM is 1] Conservative and 2] lying, basically to gin up race riots to cover after the GE.
-Then it got into a heated argument about his perceived racism of the Republican party w/ him throwing out ‘historical’ crap that, really, the Dems did. He started yelling and throwing poo when I mentioned poll taxes and insisted that his history was teh suck.
FWLIW
Comment by urthshu on 10/16 @ 8:30 am #
Oh yeah – neither of us watched the debate.
Comment by sashal on 10/16 @ 8:33 am #
one of the best takes on the debate I’ve seen
Comment by dre on 10/16 @ 8:37 am #
Joey Hairplugs this morning:
Comment by dre on 10/16 @ 8:38 am #
link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66LUroXUck
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 8:38 am #
oh yeah, cause there’s nobody better than a ventriloquist to get debate analysis from.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 8:41 am #
they just have no idea how much an employee costs, do they? hell, most “placement fees” I see are at least four times that.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 8:42 am #
That’s the best you got Sashal? Well, I suppose if you don’t read much …
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 8:44 am #
ha ha, forgot, I work at a “large corporation”.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 8:46 am #
“They’re going to get a $3,000 credit for hiring new employees.”
Hahahha hilarious. I bet the healthcare costs for each employee for 6 months will be more than that. Whatever I am being way too rational. Does anyone with a brain believe that he will only raise taxes on people making over 250? Seriously I give him 6 months until he pulls a Clinton and raises them on everyone that makes over 45 grand a year.
Comment by sashal on 10/16 @ 8:47 am #
you I was worries about, carin,
I had to come up with “moderate voice” for you to get in.
Imagine if I linked Baloon Juice or Marshall, Or God forbid, Obsidian wings you would not even open it..
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 8:48 am #
Oh yeah Fairness doctrine here we come. Can’t have any dissent against the O!.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 8:51 am #
I love how this douchebag laughed when McCain brought up voter fraud. Because voter fraud is teh funny!!11!!!!
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 8:52 am #
You must have missed sashal’s cartoon send-up of Palin stereotypes of yesterday. This is indeed the best they have — “oh yah hey; don’cha knoooow.”
A friend reminds me that most folks derive meaning from roughly 60% body English and a dozen or so percent tone. Among the rest lies a single digit input from stated words.
“Most people” vote.
Comment by sashal on 10/16 @ 8:57 am #
McCain can make arguments about big government and higher taxes and liberal ideas all he wants, but the public has rejected them. Just completely.
People know one thing that can’t be dislodged from their minds – Republican governance has been a total failure. A 90-minute debate isn’t going to change any of that.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 8:59 am #
which why we aren’t even discussing it here… oh wait…
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 8:59 am #
I’d prefer if you’d link pieces that actually had cogent argument. The article was basically limited commentary on someone else’s analysis of the debate. His only “original point” is:
Yea … that’s some really awesome analysis!
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 10/16 @ 9:00 am #
Mr. Pink – I am preparing exactly for such a tax increase. Of course, I am cynical in that I also have been preparing for retirement assuming Soc Sec wouldn’t be there either. One absolute, universal constant you can utilize in tax and savings planning – people in government (or seeking to be in government) lie.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 9:01 am #
McCain can make arguments about big government and higher taxes and liberal ideas all he wants, but the public has rejected them. Just completely.
Because all these things have worked so-fucking-well for Michigan and Detroit.
CITY OF THE FUTURE!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/16 @ 9:01 am #
Blame “wreckers and saboteurs” and mount witch hunts.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:02 am #
“Republican governance has been a total failure. A 90-minute debate isn’t going to change any of that.”
Do you realize that you are refuting yourself here? Governance will still be a failure when Dems get in. Simply changing the letter in front of a politicians name when he appears on TV will not magically make your life better. Republican or Democrat it does not matter, our government as a whole can not provide you with what you want. No government can. You seem to believe that if you just try hard enough and vote in the right people with huge amounts of power then magic skittles rainbows will appear. History has already proven that wrong hundreds of times.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 9:03 am #
Honestly, Sashal – you mind throwing out here those conservative ideas (if you have any) you are in support of?
Or are you like Buckely – of the ilk that that Obama’s gonna get into office and become the conservative Bush never was?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/16 @ 9:03 am #
“Well, I suppose if you don’t read much”
That goes without saying in regards to sash. Reading is for suckers. I see he’s still pretending to be a conservative. What a weird life. Must be the vodka.
Comment by sashal on 10/16 @ 9:05 am #
carin , what does it say about poor Johnny McCain when his big line for the entire debate was, “I’m NOT George Bush”?
If only Obama would have replied, “Well, John, at least you’re not George Bush 10% of the time.”
Comment by Slartibartfast on 10/16 @ 9:07 am #
What does it say about poor Barack Obama that he needs to have that pointed out?
Comment by sashal on 10/16 @ 9:08 am #
44, was or was not republican governance a failure.
Stop doing gibberish, will you, please…
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 9:08 am #
if sashal’s own comments are any indication, he’s a big fan of that method. not surprising he would admire someone else copy/paste abilities.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/16 @ 9:08 am #
uh, like 2006, you mean?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 9:09 am #
oh, somebodies reading abilities are showing. or not as the case may be.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:10 am #
All governance is generally a failure. It works best the less it does and when it takes less money out of my pocket. What part about my comment did you not get?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/16 @ 9:11 am #
the part where you didn’t reflexively bash Republicans. duh.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:18 am #
Oh so I am supposed to say Republicans all suck and everything is their fault, if only the Democrats were in charge everything would be great? Ok got it.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 9:19 am #
If only Obama would have replied, “Well, John, at least you’re not George Bush 10% of the time.â€Â
Bi-partisanship 10% of the time is better than 0% of the time.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 9:20 am #
O!:“If I can answer the question. Number one, I want to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans. Now, it is true that my friend and supporter, Warren Buffett, for example, could afford to pay a little more in taxes in order…”
The mindset that destroys freedom, liberty, and justice.
History. It comes, it bites you on the ass, you totter on down the trail… and the next morning you walk the same trail at the same time.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:23 am #
TMJ it is also telling that not only in addition to that comment he keeps refferring to President Bush “giving” companies tax cuts. What part about “it’s not your fucking money asshole” does this guy not understand?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:25 am #
Sashal do you relish the thought of having Nancy Pelosi tell you how much money you get to keep out of your paycheck?
Comment by JD on 10/16 @ 9:35 am #
Anyone want to start a countdown until dissent becomes racist?
It already is.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 9:37 am #
I repeat myself:
Honestly, Sashal – you mind throwing out here those conservative ideas (if you have any) you are in support of?
Or are you like Buckely – of the ilk that that Obama’s gonna get into office and become the conservative Bush never was?
Because this:
carin , what does it say about poor Johnny McCain when his big line for the entire debate was, “I’m NOT George Bush�
If only Obama would have replied, “Well, John, at least you’re not George Bush 10% of the time.â€Â
… wasn’t really a response.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 9:39 am #
And, I believe we did this dance with Nishi – but I don’t really much care about “performance” on a debate. Sure, Obama is a hell of a lot more polished. So (fucking) what? The polished people I know IRL I wouldn’t trust with my dog.
Comment by steveaz on 10/16 @ 9:43 am #
For the first time since Obama accepted the Democrat(ic)s nomination I am confident that he will lose this election.
After watching his face during the debate, I realized that he just cannot win, and McCain and Palin are a shoe-in.
There is just no way that America’s voters are going to throw away two home-town historic icons: a college volley-ball heroine and a “maverick” war hero, to make room for Chicago’s secretive urban schemers – no matter how slick the packaging.
I’m feeling a lot better about this election this morning.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:48 am #
Well that makes one of us steve. I threw in the towel when I saw the Dem nominee discover a new right in the Constitution after 200 years and the Repub sat there taking notes. That was the jump the shark moment for me.
Comment by JD on 10/16 @ 9:49 am #
steveaz – Step away from the peyote.
How many direct and overt lies did Baracky tell last night?
1) 100% of McCain’s ads have been negative
2) Mendoucheous spin about Ayers and ACORN
3) Outright lies about partial birth abortion and born alive votes.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/16 @ 9:50 am #
I’m sure the networks’ “truth squads” will be explaining those away any moment now.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:52 am #
JD did lying ever hurt Clinton? I am beginning to think lying is a net plus for Democrat candidates.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/16 @ 9:52 am #
“I’m feeling a lot better about this election this morning.”
But, we’ll still have McCain. I know, I know. Lesser (much) of two evils and all that, but it’s kind of funny. All this gnashing of teeth (and it’s completely warranted, imo) to keep Obama out and to know that if that suceeds, we’ll still have a statist in the White House. Maybe more than the one that’s getting ready to leave. It’s been a bad 20 years for conservatives and classically liberal causes.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 9:52 am #
Well, I’d like Mav and Sarah to make disassembling the Government support of ACORN the second thing they do. Right after getting all the fraud prosecutions fast tracked.
Funding with our tax dollars ACORN (and to a lesser extent, PBS, NEA, etc) is like the Jews contributing to Hitler Youth in the thirties. Seriously.
Ridiculously close to selling the rope to those who would hang us. Lenin didn’t know shit about economics. He knew people, though.
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 9:53 am #
It’s not just that he lies, JD. It’s how convincing he looks and sounds while he does it.
100% of McCain’s ads have been “negative” if by “negative” you mean not flattering to Obama.
I wish they’d get off the “negative ad” bullshit. EVERY Obama ad I hear is bashing McCain. I only care if they are truthful or not.
Man, don’t get me started. I only made it through the debate last night with the help of the bottle.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/16 @ 9:53 am #
And I forgot to mention; Mav also hit O! and the left on their prediliction for activist judhes. He made it clear that he only would appoint judges that strictly interpreted the constitution…
At least he’s got that goin’ for him…
Comment by psycho... on 10/16 @ 9:53 am #
You don’t remember the ’90s? Good times.
Because state “Militias” existed (they still do, though the press forgot; they’ll remember shortly), anyone who “hated” the government by advocating for Founders-y stuff like tax cuts or federalism was racist — or, like we’re told Palin is now, was obscurely agitating and piggybacking on racism, bitter-cling style.
I remember Donahue being all flustered when he flew in the head of the Ohio Militia to berate as a cracker bigot and the guy had the gall to show up black. It was the one bright spot in the decade’s politics.
Yes, one. If you think there were more, you’re remembering wrong. Refresher course coming up.
Comment by irongrampa on 10/16 @ 9:55 am #
I have a gut hunch that Joe the plumber will be McCain’s October surprise. If the anecdotal reaction to Joe is correct, he’s transcending party line with the reaction evidenced to his interview.
Could be wrong, but I kinda doubt it.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/16 @ 9:56 am #
Yeah, the 100% negative ads bullshit is just that. It plays to his mindless drones who are all victims like their messiah, but I have to believe the average voter knows that is bullshit.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 9:59 am #
Psycho I thought of one bright spot that the future may bring. A group of country singers, ala Dixie Chicks, saying they hate Obama and immediatly being decried by all as racist. No magazine covers, no stories of their bravery on TV, just “what racist bitches” Good times ahead.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/16 @ 10:00 am #
Yes, Bob. The bit about judges was very nice. But again, I worry about how the average voter reacts to that. Admittedly, I live in a very, very blue area, but most everyone I know agrees with Obama’s take on judges and judicial activism. It’s all about teh fairness, you see. Envy is a bitch.
LOL…great comment as usual, psycho.
Comment by steveaz on 10/16 @ 10:00 am #
Exactly, JD.
Americans are good at reading faces, and I think O!’s revealed too much during the debate. O!’s face was too elastic, and every twitch and smirk highlighted a fib. The polish is leaving the silver.
That’s why I’ve got a light happy feeling today. That, and the hippy speedball I just did, and…also, I just figured out my bank’s bill-pay system. It is looking like another beautiful day in America!
Comment by Carin on 10/16 @ 10:05 am #
Unfortunately, Steve – unless you watched the debate on C-Span or Fox you didn’t get the split-screen shots of O!’s smirking face.
But- on the positive side- you’ve still got that speedball.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 10:06 am #
Like they did with Senator Hairplugs? Anything too blatant a lie the MSM will just ignore! I’m still waiting to find out about America’s joint effort with France in kicking Hezbollah out of south Lebanon, as claimed by Joe Biden, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. They[the MSM] just laughed it off as, just Joe being Joe.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/16 @ 10:10 am #
Seven I prefferred the whopper about Obama never saying he would meet with Iran without preconditions. That was a good one.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 10:10 am #
You’re paying your bills…sucker!
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 10:19 am #
What does it say about lyin’ Baraky O! and his foolish constituents when McCain’s big line for the entire debate was, “I’m NOT George Bushâ€Â?
Moron.
Comment by JD on 10/16 @ 10:20 am #
steveaz – Hold off on paying those bills. Once Baracky gets elected, he will appoint someone with a higher income than you to pay your bills. After all, it is only fair.
Comment by JHoward on 10/16 @ 10:21 am #
Oh, and comment #3, incoherent, ignorant, petty sashal. If you can digest it.
Comment by JD on 10/16 @ 10:30 am #
sashal is a Bolshevik, JHoward.
BTW – That is a brilliant question, and I suspect you never will get a clear or coherent answer from any of them.
Racist.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 10:30 am #
Pink, O!’s position has evolved on that issue, so there was some wiggle room(read; political goalpost moving). The Lebanon thing was just a hallucination, which the MSM just said they didn’t know what Haiplugs was referring to, and no followup.
The MSM pummeled Gov. Palin for being a lightweight on foreign policy. The guy chairs(or prior to Democrats taking the majority in the Senate was ranking member) the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and he wanted to give $200 million dollars to Iran post-9/11 so they might like us more, and split Iraq into three autonomous regions, because no political solution could work. He should be doing commercials for botox, because he doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near the Presidency.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 10:33 am #
Aaaarrrrggggh, html tags! *hangs head in shame*
Comment by cynn on 10/16 @ 10:34 am #
Basically, some things that bring me up short with these guys: Obama’s “spread the wealth” (how does that work?) and “punish” (childbirth, taxation) tropes. There’s just something vague and sinister about those expressions.
Also, McCain’s harebrained plan to get the government into the real estate biz by meddling with crap mortgages indicates that he truly is an economic doof.
Comment by malaclypse the tertiary on 10/16 @ 10:39 am #
This is really the crux, isn’t it? Sashal, what, precisely, is it that the public has rejected? Can you provide an unambiguous and granular description of what underlying principles have been rejected? What philosophical predicates have been rejected? Without resorting to histrionics, arm-waving, demagoguery or any other such insubstantial proxies for an actual argument, can you explain the failure of “republican governance”?
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 10:39 am #
“Basically, some things that bring me up short with these guys: Obama’s “spread the wealth†(how does that work?) and “punish†(childbirth, taxation) tropes. There’s just something vague and sinister about those expressions.”
Good morning, cynn. It suddenly struck me that I don’t know your age, but the statement above indicates to me that you weren’t around for the nineteen seventies. Obama’s agenda is crystal clear, as are the inescapable results associated with punitive taxation, class/race envy politics, and convulsive social engineering via income redistribution.
You might go back up the scroll a short way and look at my remark on “history”. Been here, done that, was able to afford a tshirt years later.
Is this correct?
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 10:42 am #
Sorry, but “Is this correct?” was intended to directly follow …”indicates to me that you weren’t around for the nineteen seventies.”.
Comment by cynn on 10/16 @ 10:50 am #
TMJ: I was incarcer…er, incapacitated in the 70’s.
Comment by steveaz on 10/16 @ 11:07 am #
Cynn,
“[...]Obama’s “spread the wealth†(how does that work?) and “punish†(childbirth, taxation) tropes. There’s just something vague and sinister about those expressions.”
“Sinister.” Well said.
When I heard O! tell Joe the Plumber, “I don’t want to penalize you, but…,” a shiver went down my spine.
I memory of Mommie Dearest flashed across my mind: “I don’t want to spank you, but, its for your own good”
Freud would have a field day with O!’s linguistic turns.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 11:09 am #
Ah. Much the same thing, then. Not much difference, except no lights out. Unless you lived in the North east during the blizzard of 74.
Comment by kelly on 10/16 @ 11:11 am #
Good luck with that, Mac. But keep in mind: sash is a self-proclaimed “real conservative”.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/16 @ 11:14 am #
FWIW, my take on Obama’s “tells” is that he’s anxious to start the Great Works, and getting bored with all these silly hoops he has to jump through.
It will be a time of giants. Where man will be equal to man and women will be equal to women and all will be equal, except for those that have Heard The Call. A time of art, great works, and transcendent social good.
A time when Joe the plumber, and Joe Corsci, and Sarah Palin will roast slowly on hot griddles.
And they will have lots of company.
(apologies to Terry Prachett)
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/16 @ 11:16 am #
Comment by urthshu on 10/16 @ 11:20 am #
But what position will Baracky run for after he’s in the pezzydency for a year? He gets all itchy and stuff, you know
Comment by thor on 10/16 @ 11:29 am #
Quit tickling women-in-prison fantasies. It’s not funny. Not during working hours, anyway.
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Comment by Slartibartfast on 10/16 @ 2:25 pm #
Umm…you haven’t been paying attention to the Congressional bailout plans, have you?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/16 @ 8:33 pm #
So, just for the record, a close time analysis of the debate, excluding the final remarks yielded, Obama 41:33mins., McCain 36:43mins., for a difference favoring Obama by 5:10mins. That’s a little over one-seventh of McCain’s total speaking time or around 14.3% of McCain’s total time. Not that anyone who counts is counting, mind you.