Me, I plan on using tonight’s debate as a drinking game: every time it occurs to me that PJM is paying someone other than me big bucks to liveblog this bitch, I’m going to do a shot of Ouzo and spank myself with any rolled up Victor Davis Hanson column I can dig up that mentions either Xerxes, Thrace, or Herodotus.
So. Let the games begin!
****
post mortem: Ed Morrissey: “Both men improve, McCain wins on points”
Jeff Goldstein: “Either Morrissey has been drinking too much, or I haven’t been drinking enough.”
After tonight’s debate, the American public will be convinced that healthcare is a “right”: “individual gun ownership”? Well, that’s something we can talk about.
McCain let Obama trample his dirty little socialist feet all over the Constitution and didn’t once stop to tell the little poser to take his shoes off.
As a result, the black marks he left behind will now become part of a “living” document. Interpret at will!
God help us all.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/7 @ 6:38 pm #
Drink with the bad shoulder, spank with the good.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 6:39 pm #
I’m putting together dinner and trying to catch up.
Obama is on full court cheating press… his brownshirts in Ohio have been rounding up every homeless vagrant, drunk, drug addict - from streets and shelters - and taking them to register/vote under their watchful eyes.
Chicago machine politics going national.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/7 @ 6:42 pm #
I love the homeless voting image Darleen:
“hell no I don’t have any sandwiches in here! I helped you vote, now get the fuck out of the van!”
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 6:45 pm #
this.is.sparta!!!!
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 6:46 pm #
I mean, there’s a whole Greek thing going on
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 6:47 pm #
Obama’s bwonshirts! Ohnoes!!Elaventy!!11!!1 Redumblicans will be forced to dwink their own urnine!!11!!
It’s Dispicable!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 6:49 pm #
ace or somebody pointed out something useful to remember: these townhall things have been known to be packed with campaign plants, so be prepared to google the occasional name to flush ‘em out.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/7 @ 6:51 pm #
“Hi, I’m Chuck Gibson….burg, and I would like to Ask Senator Obama, how did you get to be so wonderful?”
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 6:51 pm #
distractions WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Comment by Pellegri on 10/7 @ 6:51 pm #
Yay, failthor. ♥
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 6:52 pm #
aw, Brokaw is not just a journalist, but a citizen!
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 6:52 pm #
Tom just dressed them down. Why he so mean??
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 6:52 pm #
so this is the whack a mole debate
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 6:53 pm #
shut up. he’s got work to do.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 6:55 pm #
“Cry Havoc, and let loose the dogs of war”!!!
Nuke ‘em Mav
Comment by St Wendeler on 10/7 @ 6:55 pm #
Peter Graves: Timmy.. have you ever seen any gladiator movies?
Don’t all VDH writings mention Xerxes, Thrace, or Herodotus?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 6:58 pm #
oookay, quick nap before they start….
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 6:59 pm #
What’s up with the sudden profusion of countdown clocks? I saw one the other day on C-span that ran in hundredths of a second two hours before the debate was to begin.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:00 pm #
Xerxes
Maybe he can xerox a copy of his shoulder.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:00 pm #
Brokaw is stirring….
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:01 pm #
10 seconds!
Comment by Patrick on 10/7 @ 7:02 pm #
I don’t care what you spank yourself with, as long as this debate spurs another video by that guy with the green bottle.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 7:02 pm #
Reminder: On 9/22/2008, thor, CFJ (Certified Financial Jeenius) said:
Glad I shifted a bag full of dollars into them Euro coins.
Heh.
Croesus, JP Morgan, and George Soros all rolled into one, that thor.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:03 pm #
You hear! We are not so constrained!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:03 pm #
yay!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:04 pm #
Obama…first lie
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:04 pm #
What’s with Brokaw’s voice? He sounds like the Bug in the Edgar suit from Men in Black.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:05 pm #
Obama … second lie
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:05 pm #
Johny Mac hit this BASTARD hard.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:06 pm #
Beat on the rich baby! Flog ‘em good.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:06 pm #
Oh no.
Not a junket.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:06 pm #
Oh good bailout California
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:06 pm #
Obama promising things he cannot deliver without making sure we WILL be in a Depression
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:07 pm #
Middle-class rescue? Did he say rescue?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:07 pm #
Oh fail. Fix nada, get the f out of the way.
Comment by Swen Swenson on 10/7 @ 7:07 pm #
Save your breath Thor. You’ll need it to blow up your date.
***
Ouzo? Crikey! Can we watch?
Comment by Pellegri on 10/7 @ 7:08 pm #
halp! In desperate need of rescue here in middle class! *flail*
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:08 pm #
Johnny! Home values?
The market does that!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:08 pm #
Oh f, worse! Idiot economist Johnny McC, standout stupid.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:09 pm #
townhall format really is McCain’s best format
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:10 pm #
Want trust? Recapitalize the healthy banks.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:10 pm #
Help me Obama!
Get lost…
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:10 pm #
Obama lies again about McCain’s statement
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:11 pm #
Obama is working directly off the lines in his campaign speeches - did he even name one name for Sec Treas?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:11 pm #
who blew their time?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:11 pm #
For the CHILDREN!!!!! You’ll spend more time with your kids if you vote for me.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:11 pm #
Talk us down BHO, tell us how shitty our economy is! Yay!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
Buffett. sorta…
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
crap that 95% REDISTRIBUTION thing from Barry
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
Oh good an Obama supporter
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
Have they ever let someone who wasn’t “having a difficult time” ask a damn question about the economy?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
YEAH>>> FANNIE & FREDDIE!! thank god
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:12 pm #
Cronies! WOOT!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:13 pm #
Oh yoiks. Taken a hammer to his hand in the cookie jar.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:13 pm #
Here we go, is he gonna take the gloves off?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:13 pm #
Yeah Johnnie - hit ‘em with the CRA stick!
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:14 pm #
Dang, I’m really starting to regret actually putting 20% down on my house. How stupid was that?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:14 pm #
Hmmm…is obama not even going to defend against the attack??
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:14 pm #
Fannie Freddie here we FUCKING GO. Hit it again. He hits it again. Good.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:14 pm #
Gloom! Doom! Vote for me! McCain is teh BIG LIE!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:15 pm #
zzzzzz, deregulation. he warned about this? really?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:15 pm #
Obama wrote a letter.
Ooooh.
Cause that’s the power that Senators have.
Legislation?
Nah, that’s just silly.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:15 pm #
This won’t wash, it is simply bullpucky.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:15 pm #
Constituients right letters, jack ass. Senators write LEGISLATION! You were the one to do something about it!
If McCain lets him get by with this, fuck him.
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:16 pm #
How does one deregulate a government run operation like FM/FM? Am I wrong or wouldn’t that lead to even less oversight?
“Not interested in pointing figures” right after he finishes having done so. Smoove, O.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:16 pm #
BULLSHIT. Greenspan was Fed chair two years ago!!!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:16 pm #
oh gawd, Barry with the “deregulation” canard
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:16 pm #
Obama is lying should be the next words out of McCain’s mouth.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:16 pm #
This is the beginning of the PROCESS. It’s a PROCESS. We’re going to strengthen YOUUUUUU.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:17 pm #
Yep, just as I thought. Bernanke wasn’t in until 2007 began. Linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan#Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:17 pm #
I thought of buying a house, but I couldn’t make the payments so I didn’t.
Does that count?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:17 pm #
McCain is much more conversational
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:18 pm #
“Senator Obama’s name is not on that letter”
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:18 pm #
So now it’s the governments job to make sure I can pay my bills and stay in my home?
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
MSNBC declares Obama the winner!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
I think that was fairly weak on McC’s part.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
Neither one of these guys have a grasp on economics that really inspires in confidence. DOH.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
Ms Finch… astroturf?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
McCain needs to just bend over and drop them, Ric was right again. He is fucking clueless.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:19 pm #
GEORGE BUSH!!!
Comment by Jeffersonian on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
Obama is on full court cheating press… his brownshirts in Ohio have been rounding up every homeless vagrant, drunk, drug addict - from streets and shelters - and taking them to register/vote under their watchful eyes.
That’s in Ohio. In Nevada, Baracky’s old pals are hiring them.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
I wondered about that too shank.
Think it will be mentioned tomorrow?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
Does that count?
No, I’m sorry apparently we only bail out the irresponsible.
Common sense will cost you every time.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
Someone remind that audience that the dot com bust happened just as GW took office?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
Never had a surplus, projected merely. so fail. Deficit is not highest as a function of GDP, so FAIL.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
what is O! cutting? he couldn’t name anything in the last debate.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:20 pm #
George Bush. George Bush. George Bush. He’s not running and you aren’t answering her question.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
The cuts are just a secret, like Lurch’s war plans.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
cannot believe a god damn democrat is looking into the camera and claiming they’re going to cut spending.
Its absurd. ABSURD !!!
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
So what is it that O! is going to cut.
Besides Defense, that is.
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
“We’ve almost doubled our national debt. Clearly I should be given a blank check to dump another trillion into paying for everyone’s college, homes and good gov’t jobs.”
The man of a million mystery donations from Kenyan princes is concerned about lobbyists and special interests?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
I’m taking a shot everytime Obama says “Bush.”
And that lady couldn’t spell bi-partisanship much less know wtf that means.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:21 pm #
FUCK YOUR BIPARTSANSHIP!
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:22 pm #
I like how he’s stumping for the budgetary watchdogs.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:22 pm #
question; why should I trust you?
Obama: Let me tell you twelve things I promise to do.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:22 pm #
B Moe
I don’t care anymore. The triumvirate of Obama/Pelosi/Reid will put this country into a deeper Depression then I want to think about. Minimally, a divided government is better than that.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:23 pm #
This ‘buy up the bad mortgages’ is a horrific idea. Never mind that it’s a ginormous figure; we might as well kick California and Florida out of the Union first.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:23 pm #
*The man of a million mystery donations from Kenyan princes is concerned about lobbyists and special interests?*
Yes if that will get him elected. He’d be for gay marriage for monkeys if it would get him elected.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:23 pm #
Now there’s an answer. ‘Go research it and you’ll see who spends money.’
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:23 pm #
Brokaw is getting oooooold.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:23 pm #
Dueling stump speeches. At least Biden was entertaining.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:25 pm #
Where is this question coming from Tom?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:25 pm #
um. yeah. maybe it’s the beer, though.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:25 pm #
Priorities?? C’mon. Iran is getting nukes. That’s a freaking priority.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:25 pm #
I don’t care anymore. The triumvirate of Obama/Pelosi/Reid will put this country into a deeper Depression then I want to think about. Minimally, a divided government is better than that.
Turn the heat up fast enough the frog might have sense enough to jump out.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:25 pm #
The really sad thing is that these really are issues of substance - especially entitlement reform, but trying to explain them in a couple minutes is a fundamentally unserious approach.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:26 pm #
Too late to replace McCain with Palin ? She’d have as much experience as the messiah.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:26 pm #
Almost. The correct answer on Medicare/Welfare, is “we started out with the best intentions, but we just can’t do it, so we’re going to phase it out over time so those who have grown up with this system don’t get dumped and those who have the time in their lives can adjust their plans accordingly.”
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
Obama doesn’t want to drill, so what is he gabbing about?
Oh…. back to the fantasy of being fossil fuel free in ten years… yeah right
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
yeah, cause they haven’t been trying to find alternative fuels hard enough. *sigh*
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
I hate the ideas of a ten year plan run by the government to get us off oil. They always use NASA as an example. Look at NASA now!!
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
Oh, the frog will be jumping in the next couple years. This is just the beginning of the troubles, we’ll have a serious currency crisis within the next two years - there is just no avoiding it.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
That is simply nonsense, ten years free of mideast oil, it’s a world market for crying out loud.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:27 pm #
Obama for line-item veto!
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:28 pm #
Barack makes McCain look so old and slow.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:28 pm #
I miss Joey Hairplugs
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:28 pm #
B Moe
So, how many old folks are you going to allow to be bankrupted and tossed to the curb to make that frog jump?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:28 pm #
WELL THEN START CUTTING THEM OFF, TOM. GAWD.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:28 pm #
Tom asserts his asswholian bona fides.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:29 pm #
God Forbid we actually discuss anything in fucking detail.
Fuck Brokaw and fuck this piece of shit debate.
I can’t watch this shit any more.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:29 pm #
McCain is going to cut denfense!
Up is down…
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:29 pm #
Why would you mention Ted Kennedy? John, you’re stuck on stupid.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:29 pm #
What happened to the townhall thinger?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:30 pm #
Spending freeze and cut programs
Does Obama EVER do anything like that?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:30 pm #
Some programs we’re going to have to eliminate. Some really good projects. Say it dammit.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:30 pm #
So, how many old folks are you going to allow to be bankrupted and tossed to the curb to make that frog jump?
How far are you willing to compromise the freedom of those twins?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
A lot of you?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
The spending freeze will never happen as long as there is a politician in Washington.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
9/11 is a TRAGEDY???
A hurricane is a tragedy…. 9/11 was a fucking act of WAR you dipshit
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
Talk about a spending freeze, which morphs into increases that aren’t what people would expect (which is inevitably spun as a cut when that happens, of course).
“A lot of you remember the tragedy of 9/11″. Jesus. How did this hack make it out of Chicago?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
Alot of you?
How’s about maybe ALL?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
“Alot of you remember the tragedy of 911.”
No shit. Thank you Obama Christ Superstar. He SHOULD be president.
Please somebody drop a house on his head.
Comment by Teddy 08! on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
McCain seems old. Obama still says the “tragedy” of 9-11 (no one’s fault, of course!)
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
When’s the you’betc’cha chick gonna jiggle her tits and wink at the camera?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:31 pm #
Obama’s not even answering the goddamn question.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
Once again, this looks a lot better than it sounds on the radio.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
Store nuclear energy?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one outraged by that statement. I agree with Darleen and that should be McCain’s comeback.
Use em or lose em. Only the chosen one could rhyme while spitting knowledge. Get rid of Biden, put Puffy on the ticket as VP.
Comment by geoffb on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
Clock time in these debates needs to be done like in chess matches.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
Oh here comes the corps call from Obama, the energy corps, the anti-oil corps, the anti-coal corps, the begger thy neighbor corps
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
F@@kin. liar O! Save this energy cocksucker
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:32 pm #
Did O! just suggest auto tariffs?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:33 pm #
B Moe
How will my twins even know freedom when all the opposition is shut down by O/P/R?
My parents were kids during the Great Depression… I don’t want them to die during the 2nd one.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 7:33 pm #
I’m going to ask you to check your tire pressure.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:33 pm #
The O! Corps!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:33 pm #
I am 50 years old with a shitty job and virtually no savings, Darleen. If I voted strictly in my own best interest for the next twenty years, I would be voting Obama and getting on the gravy train. I have nieces and nephews I am thinking about, I know I am going to be working for a living until I die.
Comment by Teddy 08! on 10/7 @ 7:33 pm #
Brokaw keeps complaining about time deficits. Is he the moderator, or not?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:34 pm #
Must take your money, for your own good of course.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:34 pm #
The market’s already breaking those bad habits. Consumer debt shrank for the 1st time in ten years last month. Loans are gettng harder and harder to get. Not abnormally hard, just normal. Of course, spending was so fucked for the past 10 years that no one remembers what real loans look like.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:34 pm #
he said “18 billion dollars” as if that’s chump change
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:34 pm #
Yes, Ana. Like the ONE that is bankrupting us: Welfare.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:34 pm #
Fuel efficient cars, weatherizing homes…. Whaaaa?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
That’s Social Security. Sorry.
I blame the beer.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
And class warfare creeps into the room
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
I hope McCain says people are just trying to get ahead, the problem is subprime loans.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
There will be no offshore drilling with Obama and a Democrat congress. Why does this fuck need to lie?
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
Nailing Jello to the wall!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
fully one quarter of the population pays no income tax, where is their input?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
Can we pick which “corps” we wish to join? I’d like “stripper corps”- I try to talk those woman in better less demeaning jobs.
ooo jello to the wall. that one was pretty good.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:35 pm #
“nailing jello to the wall”
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:36 pm #
Well Darleen, when you add up 18b here and 18b there it starts to add up to reeal money.
BUT NOT UNTIL THEN.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:36 pm #
I hate this class warfare shit. As my grandmother used to say - “Don’t count other people’s money!”
Comment by Teddy 08! on 10/7 @ 7:36 pm #
Obama - unfair burden sharing. Love that phrase. That means that HE gets to decide who deserves to have what. You work hard and make a good income? Obama will take it from you to “fairly” spread the burden!
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:36 pm #
Nice shot re: protectionism. That hasn’t been hit enough. I’d like it pointed out that even The One can’t give a tax break to “95% of Americans” when 95% of us don’t pay taxes.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:36 pm #
heh did Mccain actually throw a hook ? Or does he just look pissed ?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
Small businesses. There we go. 50% increases.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
“I got news for you Senator Obama, the news is bad”
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
haha…tom’s trying to maintain order.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
Shank there’s a commandment for it: Thou shalt not covet.
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
Different rules for The One! HE MUST RESPOND!
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
Somebody send McCain some hemorrhoid ointment. He seems grumpier than usual.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:37 pm #
Every American a $5000 tax credit? Even the 50% that don’t pay taxes?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
Dang Brokaw lays down the law on whiny boy.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
Nah, that wouldn’t work, B Moe. You seen yourself lately? You’re pretty pasty, my friend. And from the South.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
Tom CUT HIM OFF!
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
“Tom, I’m going to need to ask you to bend/break the rules for me”
Its like Neo in the Matrix. Some rules can be bent. Others can be broken (for the One).
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
Brokaw’s taking longer just to ask the freakin’ question.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
THANK YOU, Tom for not allowing Obama to go back to the tax thing
someone send him a fruit basket
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
Can you imagine someone like Obama in charge of entitlements? Hahahaha, hoooooly shit.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:38 pm #
OH FUCK OBAMA IS WEASELING BACK
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:39 pm #
and it’s the 95% FUCKING LIE AGAIN
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:39 pm #
Social Security and Medicare.
Obama: I can’t guarantee we’ll do it in the first two years and other tax policies have to be rape the rich first.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:39 pm #
Straight talk express lost a wheel?
fell flat.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:40 pm #
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
Obama has NO clue about small businesses and HE DOESN’T CARE
Comment by Teddy 08! on 10/7 @ 7:40 pm #
Entitlement programs eating up all our federal revenues. Obama says we can’t solve entitlements unless we TAX THE RICH! Does he not know that taxing the rich always, always ends up taxing the middle class?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:40 pm #
Obama = EAT THE RICH
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:40 pm #
Fair? FAIR!?
Dude. Didn’t your parents ever tell you life’s not fair?
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:40 pm #
I love watching peoples eyes glaze over when Obama stutters numbers.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:41 pm #
FOR TEH FAIRNESS!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:41 pm #
Is Obama a friggin’ mind reader? Is he not just saying McCain is going to do something McCain just said he wasn’t going to do?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:42 pm #
Obama can’t pull off “glib.”
Articulate, yes. Glib, no.
I feel like I’m racist when I say that though =x
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:42 pm #
My friends, My friends, My friends. Stop it already Sen. McCain.
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:42 pm #
My friends.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:42 pm #
McCain - don’t bring up the record. That’s rascist.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:42 pm #
Old habits die hard, Vlad.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:43 pm #
Another Obama supporter
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:43 pm #
Ingrid Jackson wants to know why we are killing the planet.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:43 pm #
Are we only going to have questions on the economy?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:43 pm #
Any adult that uses the word fair when applying to anything other than law or sports desereves to be smacked in the face.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:43 pm #
Damn Aged Planet!
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:44 pm #
Gah. Climate change and green jobs. You want green? Shovel bullshit, plenty of it about to hit here.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:44 pm #
Green jobs ??
BUSH ! drink !! wait, does it count if McCain says Bush ?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:44 pm #
OK… NUKE POWER! Yes
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:44 pm #
My friends. Sen. McCain needs to take a break with that for at least one round.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:44 pm #
I’ll put up with green talk if it gets us to NUKE POWER
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:45 pm #
Well if the FRENCH do it….
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:45 pm #
datadave’s drunk 30 mins in. If my candidate was Obama, I’d be drunk by now too.
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:45 pm #
Someone send Grumps McCain a blender and a straw so he can eat his words without choking.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:45 pm #
Nukes Now!
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:45 pm #
5 million new green jobs? Horseshit.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Obama “new energy”
What is it, Barry? The computer wasn’t invented in ten years, dipshit.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Government is always the answer to every question. Gack
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Finally the camera gives equal time to the back of Obama’s head too.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Yes lets waste our money on wind power instead of building nuclear plants. Good call. Money well spent.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Investments?
Don’t make me laugh.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
This debate is going nowhere for some reason. They seem to be going in circles.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Wind, solar, geothermal. Is he T-Bone Pickens???? I thought he was an old white guy.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:46 pm #
Oh good. They’re going to try and out Kyoto each other.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
I think Obama just dissed the Homebrew Computer Club.
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
Why would you vote against alternative fuels mean ol’ John? I mean - they’re “alternative”. It’s like change! Change fuel!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
Obama backing away from oil drilling
schmuck
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
SAY IT TOM!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
I love how they say that McCain voted against alternative energy. Doesn’t that just mean he voted against my money being used to fund a fuckin wind far??
Comment by MikeD on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
This debate and this campaign is like the Iraq/Iran war. It is too bad they both can’t lose. What mealy mouthed, ignorant assholes they both are. McCain lost it tonight and we will suffer the disaster of an Obama administration. Two false giants, surrounded by real dwarfs!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:47 pm #
Magic dust!
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
One coal-powered plant a week? What are they, scal models Barack?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
3% using 25% so drilling won’t work. What a bunch of shit. Obama you suck at math.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
manhattan project vs silicon valley??
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
“should we fund?”
No.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
The One is stumbling when he’s trying to spew stats.
What kind of retarded question was that. I’d have to ask him to repeat the question in a language less drunk.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:48 pm #
Government government government we fund we fund we fund Gack fucking gack
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
Obamzilla versus King ‘Cain.
Oh, no. There goes Kyoto….
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
WTF IS THIS QUESTION?????????????????
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
“That one” = racism
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
You’re not worthy of laughter.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
I don’t know if I can do this… Sarah Palin made the best case for energy independence the other day…
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
Drill here, drill now. You frigging bet it will make the price go down.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Government is ruinous, it is not that complicated a concept.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
I hate these things.
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Obama thinks health care is a right.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Oh, a healthcaare question. Watch this, Obama HATES healthcare orgs.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Do you believe healthcare should be treated as a commodity? Are you kidding me?
Comment by MikeD on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
John McCain sounds like an old-time southern politician: ” My friends, and YOU ARE my friends.” I think I’m going to be sick. The hell with the rest of the “debate”, I’m going to drink!
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Health Care as a commodity? Gosh, that’s a question with a bit of conservative bent to it…
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:50 pm #
Oh come on, Barry, is health care a “right” or not?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
c’mon Obama, just say it.
Socialized medicine. It’s what she wants to hear.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
Is a service a commodity?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
Pink–they have the questions printed at the bottom of the screen on C-Span.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
If McCain loses we are looking at Obama’s plans to spend all our money on magic fairy dust and shitty health care. YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
Government run healthcare would RUIN healthcare. I’ve been watching government do that to healthcare my whole career with state-run programs. gaaaaaaaaaaaaa…
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
Obama possesses the magic wand of the unlimited budget to buy everyone with his magical solutions to everything.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
uh…when was the last time Barry was in a hospital… THEY ARE ON COMPUTERS
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:51 pm #
Tricare for everyone! You civilians are in for a TREAT!
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 7:52 pm #
Commodity? Yes! Same for everyone! I want to stand in line for years waiting for the collectivist commodity of health care to take care of me! Specialists? We don’t need no stinking specialists. It’s all the same thing, health care is easy!
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:52 pm #
How does putting my health record on a computer save money?? How?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:52 pm #
RTO it was a rhetorical question. I do not see the value of asking a question “Do you agree that we need to get rid of oil, or do we need to get rid of oil now”
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:52 pm #
Heh, I used to work for the Indian Health Service. No health and no service.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 7:52 pm #
shutup thor
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
The employer based healthcare system SUCKS because if artificially interfers with the market.
Comment by Teddy 08! on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
Obama will have the government force insurance companies to cover despite pre-existing conditions? And he expects to reduce costs? Is he insane?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
Fuck Tom Brokaw.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 7:49 pm #
Pitiful, just pitiful.
Like I’ve pointed out before, thor is so stupid he can even come up with an original insult.
But then he’s an Obama supporter.
What do you expect?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
I’ve worked at a VA hospital too. The VA is the Mayo clinics compared to the IHS.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:53 pm #
Because nationalized healthcare has worked SO great in Canada. They just fucking love that shit, don’t they?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:54 pm #
Oh yeah RTO FUCK TRICARE TOO.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:54 pm #
Oh let’s do “impose” efficiencies, by all means!
Achtung, chucko, step out of that line there.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:54 pm #
Tom’s NOT WAVING!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:54 pm #
I think we need a government clearing house for healthcare, we can call it Franky Doc.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:55 pm #
CHOICE
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:55 pm #
Was that a dig at “Plugs” Biden ? Cause if so, it was well done. =0
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:55 pm #
Just TRI to get CARE.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 7:55 pm #
tom complains in 3…2…
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:55 pm #
right, privilege or responsibility
wtf?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:56 pm #
How does putting my health record on a computer save money?? How?
They don’t have to buy a filing cabinet. D’uh.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:56 pm #
There we go. Its a right.
/waves socialism.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 7:56 pm #
Obama will fine you.
Republicans are the carrot, dems the whip.
We are the sorry jackasses sloughing those bloated fucks around.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:56 pm #
Obama…. “health care is a RIGHT for every American”
Yep…. communist right there
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
He said it, you have the right to the service of others.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
Helathcare is a right, eh?
NOT.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
a “RIGHT”? goodbye my old friend…no need for a Constitution amymore
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
Was that a made up story there about mom?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
It sounded like the crowd gasped when he answered the question that way. Was it my imagination ?
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
Wonder if that thing about his mother is true. I’ve got “Dreams of My Father” about 10 feet away over on the coffee table but trying to slog through that self-congratulatory mess makes me dream of bottles.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
The Second Amendment is a right. Is Obama gonna fund my firearms needs? Cause it’s pretty damn extensive.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
It’d be nice if Obama would catch on fire when he lies.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
WTF WE HAVE A NEW RIGHT NOW?????? I can’t watch this shit it is giving me a fuckin headache.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:57 pm #
oooooo oooo
SChip!
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:58 pm #
Voted for the expansion of children’s heathcare to people other than children. Yeah.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:58 pm #
It’s not the government’s right to interfere with healthcare. Butt out.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 7:58 pm #
I’m wiht ThomasD.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:58 pm #
His mom did die of cancer, I’m not sure of the circumstances
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
Yep, RTO, he’s a slick one that BHO
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
There’s a kid in the front row, wearing a black/white/grey striped ties and glasses. He looks bored out of his fucking mind. Looks like he’s got a question card in his hand. They’re going ot have to wake his ass up if they want him to ask it.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
Obama
“I am you Nanny Superior”
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
Delaware! I’m Joe Biden and I deregulated that message.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
MC–Ka-boom.
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
“They go to DELAWARE”
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
Peacemaker? Are we on guns already?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
“did we find out about the fine?”
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
I’m confused about which Article of the Constitution indicates health care is a right.
Article O ?? WTF. But Obama is going to cut our taxes. My god he’s got balls to just lie like that.
Comment by Vladimir on 10/7 @ 7:59 pm #
Act as a “peacemaker” ?
Tell me that guy isn’t a Kucinich supporter.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:00 pm #
Isn’t universal health care in the bill of rights? No? Who’d a thunk it…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:00 pm #
You make Peace by making deserts.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:00 pm #
Thanks RTO, I need a Ma Deuce.
It’s for my mental wellbeing, you see.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
Actually I think peacemaker is a term of art in this context, and a reasonable one at that.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
YES…. we have to pick and choose our fights abroad…
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
Ok, so far? from the gallery, I’ve seen teh gay, teh black (yes I denounce myself) and teh stoopid. Plants?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
He should have pulled out the line from Serenity “If you can’t do something smart, do something right…”
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
No response to our new right by McCain???
Comment by geoffb on 10/7 @ 8:01 pm #
Fucking Senators. Blah-blah-blah.
That guy over in the other seat is your enemy, not your buddy. Call him out. Point at him and say what a corrupt bastard he is. Show some life, some fire.
Be a DA doing his closing in a serial killer case. That guy in that seat is Manson, fork him.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
you don’t understand because you’re ignorant. There weren’t AQ camps in Iraq? dumbass.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
He was really good on that Peacemaker question. Now Obama is whining.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
Watch Obama not answer the question. Brokaw asked about the economic constraints on military strategy. Obama doesn’t know jack SHIT about that.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
Obama just admitted he doesn’t understand.
Comment by RDub on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
“how we invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11″…but I thought 9/11 was a tragedy. You know, like a lighning strike or cancer.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
Oh fuck… “Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11″
Yes, Barry, tell us how much better the world would be with Saddam and his evil spawn still in power.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:02 pm #
McC must respond to this pile of shit about the Iraq theater.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:03 pm #
mention the Ferris Wheel! please!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:03 pm #
Here we go again. Anyone who doesn’t understand Iraq sure as hell doesn’t need to be in the White House. This fucking election is driving me schizoid.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 8:03 pm #
I am still confused. Who gets to make up these new rights? I want the right to punch politicians I disagree with in the face. Someone give me that.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:03 pm #
So obama jus said he would pay for all his programs by cutting the defense budget. Duly noted.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 8:03 pm #
Uh, is this idiot not familiar with the Depression and WWII?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
Nah, let that 9/11 - Iraq crap pass. There are no minds to be changed on that subject.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
BUSH!! Shots all around!
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
thor? I’m sorry I didabled trollhammer for tonight. My previous offer stsnds
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
Or pick and chose which broads we fight….
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
Don’t tell us how the war is busting the budget. Prescription drug program, medicare, medicaid, and social security are busting the frigging budget Senator Right-to-Healthcare.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
Obama Doctrine use of force…… BWHAHAHAHAH
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:04 pm #
Oooooh. There’s a decent-lookin blonde sitting in the top row behind brokaw. Nice skirt-suit, RAWR.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 8:05 pm #
How about the new right to a 12 pack in every fridge. Fuck the chicken and the pot it came in.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:05 pm #
oh bs Obama we know you can be everywhere at all times.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:05 pm #
Barry Doctrine… as long as we go somewhere where it will NEVER HELP America, that would be ok
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:06 pm #
Blithering.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:06 pm #
Pablo? this idiot has already said he’d do a line item veto AND thet healthcare is a right…No, he doesn’t understand
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:07 pm #
God damn it. What a pussy McC is not defending the decision to get Saddam.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 8:07 pm #
Where is that mean old man that’s supposed to be John McCain? Bring the heat, Grandpa!
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:08 pm #
We can use troops to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide but not when Saddam Hussein is killing his people. These fine distinctions….
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:08 pm #
“Temper decisions with the ability to beneficially affect the situation”
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:08 pm #
I wonder if O! has ever glanced at a map of Darfur?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:08 pm #
Dude. They should of just had a dunk contest. This is not very interesting fellas, take the gloves off.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:09 pm #
*How about the new right to a 12 pack in every fridge.*
Now THAT’S change we can believe in.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:09 pm #
Katie has no clue that hot pursuit is part of international law.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:09 pm #
Barry is saying Paw-KEE-stawn again
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 8:09 pm #
Iraq =Pakeestan
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:09 pm #
Again. and again and again. McC simply has given away the game.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:10 pm #
*sigh* because AQ wasn’t leaving A-stan to go to Iraq…. Saddam wouldn’t have put up with that crap. except for Zarkawi.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:10 pm #
pock-ee-stahn.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:10 pm #
Barry…. let’s surrender in Iraq so we can then surrender in Afghanistan
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:10 pm #
Oh fuck… “Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11″
It had everything to do with the invasion of Afghanistan.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 8:11 pm #
We should have invaded Pakistan. Or perhaps not, since bin Ladin was sipping tea in Kabul when we went into Iraq in 2003.
History a la Lewis Carroll.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:11 pm #
Osama is a red herring. Obama is just a Red.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:11 pm #
We can’t coddle a dictator like we did? What the fuck is Obama talking about?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:11 pm #
we can’t give Pakistan money, but we need to give them money for peacekeeping…
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:11 pm #
Alright McCain. Make it count here buddy…
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:12 pm #
Al Queda is stronger than anytime since 2001? Ok, I guess he’s talking about the virgins, ‘cus we keep killing them in droves…
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:12 pm #
Either there was a viable strategy at the beginning of the war or there was not. If we were pursuing the right strategy then it must be defended. If not, McC validates Obama’s prewar idiocy.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:13 pm #
Let them go, Tom. Jesus.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:13 pm #
Obama wants the last word… bitch
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:13 pm #
Jesus Christ. no one is controlling the discussion here. WTF is going on?
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:13 pm #
Tom’s doing a great job - because he let’s Obama do what he wants…
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
Brokaw bends to Obama’s will.
Big surprise there.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
I didn’t say I’d invade Pakistan, but I will if we need to.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
Baracky said boots on the ground. Baracky is lying.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
We need to go into Pakistan without invading, I think you can do that if you are riding on unicorns.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
That’s wet behind the ears, Barry, and yes, you are.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
Green behind the ears. I like this.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
This is like watching an old married couple go tit for tat on all the little things that the other has done over the years that got under their skin. LOL. American politicians.
Comment by thor on 10/7 @ 8:14 pm #
McCain is too soft in the head to lead this country.
Johnnie just got pantsed!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:15 pm #
Clue to Barry… Pakistan is an ally and IRAN and NORTH KOREA ARE ENEMIES!! You CAN joke about bombing them, bastard!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:15 pm #
He said it again, Musharref was a dictator. Jesus McCain, will you kick his fucking punk ass?
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:15 pm #
And killing him would end the WOT? hell yes!!! all those folks would just give up and go home
Yeah, and I have a great sub-prime loan for you.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:15 pm #
Hrm McCain just negotiated himself a free comeback. That was clever.
Did the One just say “bomb bomb Iran”. The mind boggles.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:16 pm #
See, that’s the Obama Doctrine. Rapidly haul a carcass out of a cave in the Tribal Areas, declare it Obama’s morla remians and announce winning the GWOT followed by rapid withdrawl to Fortress America, where the military will be cut off at the knees so it can’t be “misused” again.
Everybody WINS!
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:16 pm #
Not going to telegraph my punches. Thank you.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:16 pm #
This is what happens when there’s no conservative candidate on the ticket. Can’t we do these things like duels? McCain could name Fred Thompson as his second, then fake a hamstring pull.
Saving that, turn out the lights, the party’s over.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
Pakistan is a friend=don’t threaten
Iran is an enemy=threaten vigorously.
No comparison.
Obama is green.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
I want to put on the record, I would be pro-unicorns for our troops. With magical horns. And balloon fences, if the technology is there.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
Tahleebahn.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
Yeah I have to agree Jeff. The minute the Republican on the ticket lets slide that we have a new right just because a Democrat says so the game is over.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
I really had little idea what an arrogant liar O! was until tonite. How did we end up running this preener for POTUS?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:17 pm #
Doing what exactly? How many troops? What kind? Where? Show what a fucking idiot he is, John!
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:18 pm #
Oh great, Obama just told the Taliban US forces are “desperate”.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:18 pm #
Oh. Karzai is now just as irresponsible and out of touch as the Democrats have been accusing the Iraqis of being for the last three years.
Way to make us more respected.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:18 pm #
Laser-guided Unicorns ridden by care bears armored in HAPPYJOY and throwing CUDDLE GRENADES.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:18 pm #
Jeff, I’d favor some fisticuffs right now. Both of them would look better with shiners for the rest of the debate…
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:19 pm #
And we ran him against McCain, no less.
The Perfect Storm.
What I wouldn’t do for a President Hillary about now.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:19 pm #
I don’t know, Jeff, I’m more impressed with McCain than I expected. O! has him on youth, height, color, and well, those three things.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:19 pm #
I tried!
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:20 pm #
I suspect Hillary is damn happy to be out of it at this point.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:20 pm #
Putin…. he’s like Obama!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:20 pm #
Fuck it. Palin in 2012. Four years of Obama hiding under the desk fondling himself and Palin could win in a landslide.
I just don’t think Obama/Pelosi/Reid is competent enough to do any real damage.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:20 pm #
Wish he’d stop pulling out that quote. “KGB”. Is that maybe an attempt to appeal to the folks who were politically aware during the cold war ?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:20 pm #
Naked aggression is awesome. It has held my marriage together over the years.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:21 pm #
How did we end up running this preener for POTUS?
Alinsky, Ayers, Daley, Rezko, Soros
Obama is their student and their boy.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:21 pm #
O!’s grasp on international affairs is nonexistent. McCain understands strong diplomacy and the Russian Bear. Easy freaking choice.
Unless you’re pandering to teenagers about green policy and free medical “care”.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:21 pm #
Can you talk about the economic weakness in Russia, John? Oh, fail, too late.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:22 pm #
Still no A-bombs yet…But there’s still time…
Mav’s been a lot tougher, but O! has gotten away with some smooooooooth lies…
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:22 pm #
*What I wouldn’t do for a President Hillary about now.*
Jesus wtf.
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:22 pm #
B Moe
Barry is the bastard child of Jimmy Carter and LBJ
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:22 pm #
Drop the bomb, Mav, Drop the bomb…
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:22 pm #
Obama: We gotta give money to foreign governments! Us: Where’s it going to some from O? Obama: Your damn pocket, you whacked out capitalist.
Comment by Pellegri on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Pocky-stan.
Mmmm, Pocky.
I was downstairs long enough to listen to the health care smarm and wanted to rip O’s face off. OLOLOL LET’S OVERSEE HEALTH CARE MORE BECAUSE THAT WILL FIX IT
No, you retard, that’s why people can’t get the coverage they need because litigation and gov’t “oversight” has been forcing cost-cutting and CYA policies.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
I just don’t think Obama/Pelosi/Reid is competent enough to do any real damage.
Oh don’t be so sure. Cruise control is not an autopilot.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Alinsky, Ayers, Daley, Rezko, Soros
Oh, damn. I almost forgot about those guys.
Fuck you, McCain.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Financial assistance for Estonia. Did he just say that? Because I’m already paying for some fat bastards right to healthcare and geothermal energy….
Comment by geoffb on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
If I didn’t know better I’d swear I’m watching the US Senate debate some utterly inane bill.
Don’t talk about the bill, how your version is better.
Your opponents jugular is exposed for a second, stick the knife in and twist.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Darleen? ‘WE” didn’t they did. they ,eaning the last 40 years of attempting to bring socialism onto our shores.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Hello, earth to Barry… there hasn’t been another “9/11 tragedy” on American soil.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
Accusing Mav of not being worried about catching Bin Laden…
Drop the bomb, Mav, Drop the Bomb…
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:23 pm #
And…I’ll second myself on O!’s arrogance. And windiness. Chicago boy much?
What a fart in the ozone. Poseur. Preener. Waves his little hands a lot. So pretty too.
I say elect the guy.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:24 pm #
meaning. Sorry, cat on or near keyboard
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:24 pm #
I put out a statement that if Obama is elected President we’re in for a great deal of otherwise avoidable trouble.
Oh good, there it is again and again and again, the McC fail to defend the overarching strategy we embarked on.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:24 pm #
Evil Empire question.
What. Is. That?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:24 pm #
Russia=more eeeeeeevil than the RethugliKKKans!!11!!eleventy!1!11!
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
If unicorns aren’t available, how about this?
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
Get this guys name
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
Well, the O! may think that the RethugliKKKans are more eeeeeeeevil
Comment by geoffb on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
Russia evil? Maybe?
That was the jugular, gone now.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
oh wow israel. Chief petty officer.
Wonder if Obama has a global test moment coming up ?
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:25 pm #
Defend Israel! Whoa! Excellent question… Get ‘em Mac
Comment by Pellegri on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
And every time I hear him say Taliban I think “come mister taleehbahn, tally me banana.”
Yeah, I wanna go home pretty bad. sane government plz.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
Experienced NCO’s are the shit.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
Ok… McCain will NOT wait on the UN Security council
Barry…?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
Ayers. Just say it. Someone say Ayers.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
A Putin/Obama dialog would at least be able to begin with a fundamental agreement: “The US is the problem.”
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
And…McCain just lobbed a slow outside pitch about something this child sharing the stage with him can’t even begin to hit: Israel’s security, the WWIII Question.
Knife. In. Twist. Do it, John.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:26 pm #
LBJ had turds smarter than Obama. He also had some serious politicians backing him in Congress.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:27 pm #
“League of Democracies”
OMG!! Yes!
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:27 pm #
Without precondition. A matter of record.
Well thank you.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:27 pm #
The guy standing next to the Navy ret. looks like he could be his brother…. whoa.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:27 pm #
O! can do nothing here but agree with McCain. Poseur. Liar.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:27 pm #
Ruh-Roh…Iran is on the table…Here we go with O! meeting with Dinner-Jacket, unconditionally…
Mav imply’s that hell nuke Iran if they strike Israel
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
cough cough…I’m choking on my answer.
Barry O
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
If unicorns aren’t available, how about this?
That looks more like what you been bombing civilians with.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
Didn’t you mean to say our only ally in the world there, Barry?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
Barry is twisting
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
Did he just say “game changer”
Sir, this is not a game.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:28 pm #
No need to imply anything. It is the stated policy of the US to nuke anyone who nukes an ally.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:29 pm #
Oh… alternative energy is going to keep Iran from attacking Israel
rrriiiiiiiiiiggghhhhttt
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:29 pm #
O! is sounding tough, but starting to equivocate about relying on sanctions…
Like they’ve worked over the last 8 years
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:29 pm #
Cause nobody but us buys oil from Iran. Goddamit McCain will you rub this puppies nose in this shit?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:29 pm #
Energy consumption? It all boils down to energy consumption? You fucking TWIT. The question was about an immediate escalation. Not how do you prevent it. How would you react if this happened Jan 2?? Jesus.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:29 pm #
“There will be consequences”
NO SOUP FOR YOU
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Is Obama teaching 2nd graders?
He sounds like it.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Rejoin the community of nations. Yeah. That’s what they want. Very motivating.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Obama has no clue how to handle immediate world crises.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
You’re kidding. No Bill Ayres questions at all ? Oh yeah, nobody wants to hear the One address that issue ?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Oh for God’s sake, we are fucked.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
So as long as we have electric cars, No one will buy Iran’s oil…
In the same universe as Ayers being a great American
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Surely he feels he is, lee…
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
Ummm…it’s my understanding that thr NOKOs did that during the Clinto admin. Am I wrong?
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:30 pm #
What don’t you know, Obama? Watch this anti-answer. Should be fun.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
Obama thinks he being self deprecating with the Michelle crap. He’s not, he calling his wife a harpy.
He has no idea how many husbands that pisses off.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
What don’t you know and how will you learn it.
Thank you for stupid shit, Tom.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
Gaack! Obama is such a joke!
At least we can rely on his utter dependence on Michelle…
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
He’s telling us what he knows. Thanks for the answer Obambi. Are you even in the same debate? Or are you just answering questions that you make up as you go?
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
He’s ad libbing and drowning in a sea of weeping. Food stampss !!!
Comment by dre on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
Fuck You Affirmative Action Asshole
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
A single Mom, and a bank VP for my racist Granny that raised me…in Hawaii…
Please Mav, Drop the Bomb!
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:31 pm #
Ah, O!’s socialism is personal. Now everything falls into place. Yeah, screwed doesn’t begin to describe it.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:32 pm #
Is Obama teaching 2nd graders?
He sounds like it.
That is his base, thanks to Ayers education reforms. Have you not noticed the level the trolls communicate?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:32 pm #
Obama’s mama was getting food stamps and welfare so she could go to graduate school
SOME ONE ELSE WAS PAYING FOR BAMA MAMAs post grad education…and he’s NOT ashamed?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:32 pm #
Run us down Barry, finish where you started.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:32 pm #
Are we gonna pass on the American Dream???
Which one is that, Chicago, or the real America…
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:32 pm #
What do we expect with such a soft-serve question. That’s the last one of the debate? FU Brokaw…
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:33 pm #
What same dream? The American Food Stamp and Right of Healthcare Extraordinary Journey Dream???
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:33 pm #
Bullshit, John. I am still way better off than I was under Ford and Carter.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:33 pm #
Obama finished weak. McCain is finishing strong. That’s gonna stay with people.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:33 pm #
At least McCain is answering the question on what he doesn’t know. Obama just stood up there and riffed himself down the rabbit hole of irrelevance.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:34 pm #
Boom. John busts the final answer. O! is a child.
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:34 pm #
Fixed. The whole fucking thing was fixed towards His Lordship. No questions about his past, no questions about just HOW the hell he’ll do whatever the bloody hell he says he woill.
So, I guess it’s Unicorns and Lollipops for all!!
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:34 pm #
Schrummian bloviation folks, been hearing it for years.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:34 pm #
And FWIW, McCain’s telling the truth. In society, on wall street; as pessimism and acrimony take hold, the only things we have are each other. Ask anyone who survived and raised a family during the Depression.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:35 pm #
Should have finished with “and I have no idea at all, ever, what Senator Obama ever thought he was doing hanging out with that fucking terrorist, William Ayers. Thank you.”
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:35 pm #
McCain was always the wrong choice. Like I’ve said all along, I’ve never really had a candidate in this election. The Palin pick gave me hope, but in the end, McCain is McCain.
There’s a reason he’s never been President.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:35 pm #
yeah, he has a tendency to do that. you can sometimes see the “where was I?” look in his eyes.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:35 pm #
Good that McCain finished last - he did that very well…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:35 pm #
it’s Unicorns and Lollipops
And Basselopes.
Comment by JHoward on 10/7 @ 8:36 pm #
He’s the Entitled One, Darleen. Ask not what you can do for your country; it’s what’s for breakfast for the next four…
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:36 pm #
No fissile material…Some conventional hits, and on target no less; still, no nukes…
I’m kinda dissapointed, but I still think Mav did well…
Comment by Blitz on 10/7 @ 8:36 pm #
The MSM picked him Jeff, NOT us
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:37 pm #
RTO- I would’ve snorted my beer through my nose is McCain said that. LOL
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:37 pm #
I think team McCain might want a little more public exposure for Ayres before he hits Obama with it. The next debate on the 15th, everyone will have heard of him.
I hope.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:37 pm #
Nope, that’s a major fail for McCain in my view. He doesn’t get it, he hasn’t gotten it, he shows no signs of picking it up in the future. Bummer.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:37 pm #
In fairness, Jeff, he’s only tried for President once before. His whole gerenation’s got a problem though–not one of them mounted a serious campaign until the WWII vets were done.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:38 pm #
OH SHIT. First commercial after the debate??? Obama ad.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:38 pm #
Stong close for McCain. I’m wondering if he, or an adviser read this recently
http://tinyurl.com/53z4bs
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:39 pm #
What channel, shank?
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:39 pm #
Pablum for the masses. Palin in the trenches. Still have to force the press to address the issues.
We have to force a different debate for the next one. That’s a constructive effort.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:40 pm #
JeffG
McCain was the “sane” pick according to the MSM … they built him up to knock him down. That’s why they are freaked about Palin..she was the wild card.
The Left is adament about marginalizing and neutralizing anything right of center. They want power, exclusively, and they want no challengers.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:40 pm #
I realize he only tried once before. But he did so at what he thought was “his turn.” That tells me something right there.
I’m trying to imagine Thompson debating Obama. It makes me hard, thinking about it.
Hell, I’d do it, but my favorables would dry up the first time I called Obama “Bill Ayers’ own personal Senator Bojangles.”
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:40 pm #
FOX, if you believe that. I’m in NC too, and we’ve been getting absolutely bombarded with Obama ads for the psat few weeks. I haven’t seen but maybe 1 McCain add, and another by a budget watchdog on Obama’s ties to Fannie/Freddie.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:41 pm #
Jeff,
I’ve said for years that my gut tells me that Mav would never be POTUS. I’ve prayed this entire cycle that I was wrong all along. I still do.
Mav had a good finish, and Palin is exciting and stimulates the electorate, so I’m still praying that I’m wrong…
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:41 pm #
No, I think those dials would go right off the charts!
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:41 pm #
I’m still stunned by the buy up all the failed mortgages ploy.
I mean, I know it’s bullshit. But does McCain know it’s bullshit?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:42 pm #
We’re looking at Iran with nukes and financial implosion and Obama is taking about Peace Corps. There will be enough voting against The One.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:42 pm #
Yeah, I agree.
But don’t sell yourself short, Jeff. The electorate might find that kind of “straight talk” and candor refreshing.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:43 pm #
Wait, the thought of Fred Thompson and Barack going at it makes you hard? Dude, that’s not politics, that’s teh ghey.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:43 pm #
Mmmm, Bojangles… Now I’m hungry for biscuits and dirty rice.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 8:43 pm #
what is Luntz’s focus group smoking? They found that interesting?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:43 pm #
shank
O is outspending 3 to 1 McCain on tv ads… and really, its not affecting his numbers that much.
TV ads for politicals aren’t having the effect they used to.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:43 pm #
Health Care is a RIGHT! That’s what the focus groups caught…
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:44 pm #
Oh well. If McCain can’t be a bastard, I can spend the next few weeks being one.
Not that it’ll matter: clearly, McCain isn’t going to do what it takes to unmask this dangerous fraud, and unfortunately, I’m not very widely read. Hell, I barely get linked by big sites on the right.
Still, for my own personal satisfaction, I’m going to torch this socialist poser.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:46 pm #
Jeff - FWIW, I forward lots of your links on Alinsky/Obama/etc to friends and fam.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:46 pm #
Somebody keep a record of it. For my son. After I’m executed.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:46 pm #
I couldn’t be happier to hear that Jeff @ 503. I think you have a much wider reach than you think… God bless you for your torch. Let it burn baby! BURN!!!
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:46 pm #
I’m watching this Fox panel and they’re talking about how clear Obama was but can’t actually tell us what his policy was.
And people’s opinions spiked when Obama said healthcare is a right ? People who do not at least some level of understanding as to how the Constitution and this Country works should not be voting. I mean, come on. Where in the Constitution is it a right. No no, tell me, I must know.
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 8:46 pm #
The campaign is waiting for the right time. October surprise or whatever… let things percolate and then hit the public with the big stuff. Blow your was to early and it becomes last week’s news. Wait too long and people will be confused.
Comment by Pablo on 10/7 @ 8:47 pm #
There’s one thing I really, really like about John McCain. He’s not Barack Obama.
Because of the SC Justices.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:47 pm #
McCain was the “sane†pick according to the MSM … they built him up to knock him down. That’s why they are freaked about Palin..she was the wild card.
The Left is adament about marginalizing and neutralizing anything right of center. They want power, exclusively, and they want no challengers.
And that is what they are getting with McCain.
I’m still stunned by the buy up all the failed mortgages ploy.
I mean, I know it’s bullshit. But does McCain know it’s bullshit?
I think he is serious, and it will be worse if he gets in there. He wants to cut off legislative earmarks so he has more money to give away. The only people who should really give a shit about this election are foreigners, because other than foreign policy I don’t see much difference between these two.
Comment by JD on 10/7 @ 8:47 pm #
Still, for my own personal satisfaction, I’m going to torch this socialist poser.
Good Allah, thank you.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 8:47 pm #
Frank Luntz on fox is shocked, Shocked!, that voters in Arlington Va. are favoring Obama…
As one who lived and worked in DC for many years, doesn’t Frank realize that most government bureaucrats are liberals!
Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/7 @ 8:48 pm #
Nuclear plants cost 11 billion a pop. Not counting cost overruns…and the government will be in charge of building them. Using some 15 terawatts per year, America needs to build one helluva lot of nuclear plants to take up the slack. McCain only wants to build 45 of them. …using 1970’s-style nuclear technologies…but first, we gotta educate and train the people who are going to run them. At the moment, America doesn’t have enough educated and trained people to be able to operate and maintain 45 nuclear plants, let alone enough to operate several hundred of those plants. (What? We’re gonna spend a couple of trillion dollars on nuclear plants during an economic depression?)
That’s another pisspot full of money coming out your pockets via taxes and utility bills. …at 11 billion bucks apiece.
Geezus, people. Do some friggin’ research, will ya? (And don’t act like a liberal and cherry-pick the facts to support your own position.)
/grin.
…some people’s kids. I’m a tellin’ ya…
We can build nuclear, but we also need to use clean coal, geo-thermal, wind and photovoltaic, and buy some ‘neighborhood’-sized hydrogen plants from Japan. They went into production this year. (American has a helluva lot of coal, we’re only surpassed by the Aussies in that commodity.)
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 8:48 pm #
With Health Care, I wish McCain would point out that a) forcing businesses to carry it IS a tax, and b) we all pay for it in higher costs in goods and services.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:49 pm #
If they make healthcare a right, you’ll still have to decide between healthcare and food. Instead of deciding where to put your dollars though, you’ll have to decide which line you want to stand in for the next few days.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/7 @ 8:49 pm #
He’s his own personal bojangles
He jumped so high, he jumped so high
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:49 pm #
People who do not at least some level of understanding as to how the Constitution and this Country works should not be voting. I mean, come on. Where in the Constitution is it a right. No no, tell me, I must know.
Public education. A right is something sweet and nice that only government can give you.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 8:49 pm #
Gun ownership? Not an individual right. Health care? A right.
And of course, the Supreme Court gives too much credence to the Constitution, and doesn’t worry enough about social justice.
This is your basic Obama voter. Ayers and the New Left won. It just took them 40 years to come up with the right set of circumstances under which to go in for the death blow.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 8:50 pm #
I’ve never been a McCain fan, but to be honest, I think he has a better chance against Obama than any of the other Primary candidates.
If it was Hillary, no. But the One? In the state the country is in now? McCain is the best chance.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 8:50 pm #
Most people don’t understand economics (like John McCain, for instance) so they can easily be fooled by the slick talk of the likes of Barry Obama (who also does not understand economics), sad to say.
When it comes to war and strategy, almost nobody understands what’s involved, but almost everybody will happily climb onboard the train as it gets rolling and then just as happily climb off when it suits them, without a care in the world as to the longterm damage they may do to the nation and it’s allies. McCain does understand these things, but chooses, for a reason I cannot understand, not to explain them. And for that, just, damn him, that’s all, damn him the bastard.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:50 pm #
I think the vast majority of us agree McCain was not a good choice. I’m not excited about him as POTUS. But we have two choices and one is a socialist.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 8:50 pm #
Barry is saying Paw-KEE-stawn again
And yet you’ll notice that he says AfghaniSTAN, not Awf-gon-ee-stawn.
Fuckin’ poseur.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/7 @ 8:51 pm #
I’m glad I’m sick and had an excuse to sleep through it, judging by the comments.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:51 pm #
There’s one thing I really, really like about John McCain. He’s not Barack Obama.
Because of the SC Justices.
Yeah, one of the gang of fourteen is going to get tough and push around a confirmation hearing. Sorry Pabs, I ain’t seeing it. He is going to be a sweet old dottering grandpa like he has been in these debates and the Senate will tell him who is going to get a seat.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 8:52 pm #
Gun ownership? Not an individual right. Health care? A right.
Jeff you are not looking at it from their perspective. Sure, they’ll tell you both are a right. And then they’ll tell you exactly what that right entails, and you’ll get nothing more and like it.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 8:52 pm #
Yes, don’t forget that the American electorate has an attention span of about three days. It’s going to be an exciting November.
First the S&P has to hit break 900…pretty much more wild ride next couple of weeks…
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:52 pm #
People, if you don’t own firearms yet, get your handgun permits in now.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:52 pm #
Warren: Private reactors are in the pipe.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 8:53 pm #
Stop it. The New Left didn’t win. There’s always Australia.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:53 pm #
I’ve never been a McCain fan, but to be honest, I think he has a better chance against Obama than any of the other Primary candidates.
If it was Hillary, no. But the One? In the state the country is in now? McCain is the best chance.
Fred Thompson would have left Obama a quivering fucking mass on the debate stage floor. Unfortunately the media declared him unserious and the fucking sheep bought it.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 8:53 pm #
Again NPR gets Matthew Cuntinetti from The Weekly Standard to make the case for Obama. Useless. But McCain did fine I think. He’s putting his eggs in the reach across the aisle basket, so he’s gonna keep away from the snarly I think. On balance I think it’s smart enough. Baracky’s in trouble. He’s invested big in casting McCain as the incumbent, but his skimpy margin in the polls isn’t near what you need in a race framed like that I don’t think.
Biggest disappointment for me was that when they talked about entitlements McCain didn’t point to the Democrats’ rosy assessments of Social Security and refusal to engage on reform.
Comment by cynn on 10/7 @ 8:53 pm #
…Has anyone commented on McCain’s half-assed swipe about Biden’s hairdo? Thought not. It was a crap debate.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:53 pm #
Warren
who said using 70’s nuke technology? France gets, what, 70+ % of their electrical energy from nukes, reusing the rods over and over again until the “waste” is so small as to be almost insignificant?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 8:54 pm #
Australia is a myth, Ana. They are way farther down the road than we are. Unless you really dig being self sufficient in the outback.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:55 pm #
Oh. Australia would be the shit.
But I do have this thing about ditching my country just because one front man backed by a political megamachine and the entirety of our press corps got elected. I seriously thought about leaving if he got elected, but that seems too much like quitting. It would be more fulfilling to fight the good fight.
Comment by Patrick on 10/7 @ 8:56 pm #
Debate = yawnfest
Now Jeff promising to torch O! over the next four weeks - you can’t afford that kind of entertainment!
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 10/7 @ 8:57 pm #
Cynn- read up. I did. Thought it was pretty clever to slide it in there. But PROVE that’s what he meant.
Comment by shank on 10/7 @ 8:57 pm #
The debate was a total snoozer. They should have gogo dancers next time.
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 8:57 pm #
@ 533
I was going to echo that, and it would mean, at first, licensing their knowledge and experience. But we are looking long term, and have to think wbout all this in steps; now, later, and future.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 8:58 pm #
One thing about this week… McCain and Palin are attacking during their appearances and THAT is getting press coverage.
I wish I knew the numbers between what people will see in the news cycle vs how many turn in to the debates
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:58 pm #
Darleen, Congress would have to change the laws to allow nuclear fuel to be recycled. As it is, that’s not allowed.
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 8:59 pm #
@ 538
Next cycle MUST have a Feats of Strength and Trivial Pursuit aspect/ showdown.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 8:59 pm #
#
Warren: Private reactors are in the pipe.
#
Hey, RTO: a few days after posting that I found the site for the company itself.
There’s some interesting reading on there.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 8:59 pm #
Hmm… link didn’t come through. Let’s try again.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:00 pm #
As it is, that’s not allowed.
Yes. Fuck you very much, Jimmy Carter.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:00 pm #
You bet SBP. I even found an extract of some of their technical workups.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 9:01 pm #
Matt, Esq.
I agree with you, regardless of how elitist it sounds; I can’t couch it any more genteel since I’m drinking…
But, I’ve often though that there should be a basic civics exam given when you go for voter registration. Unfortunately, populism has been used by politicians to gain leverage since NYC in the early 1800, when the Van Buren political types realized that if they could get the great unwshed in the Bowery to cast their votes for them, they could easily outnumber the opposition…
I know that some folks will call me on disenfranchising folks, but it is a matter of fact that at the time of the American revolution, 30% were Tories, 20% were what we call Patriots, and 50% were apathetic; and unfortunately the numbers have not changed that much in modern times. The only time the apathetic types turn out is during extraordinary times; and then they aren’t any more knowledgable than when they chose not to vote-they simply are there to be swayed by the most skilled demagogue…
It’s a sad state of affairs in a representative democracy, but most folks are ignorant of the issues and their relation to our national constitution…
Comment by JD on 10/7 @ 9:01 pm #
President Barack Hussein Obama. We are well and truly fucked.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:01 pm #
Which I’ll post a link to…when I find it again….
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:01 pm #
Healthcare is a RIGHT!!
It must be true. I pay more for healthcare for my employees than I pay for the real estate for them to work in. It’s the second largest line item on the expense side of the P&L for us.
If it’s a RIGHT, I shouldn’t be paying for it then. Perhaps I should cancel health coverage next week since the right to it automatically accrues to everyone by default.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:01 pm #
RTO
oh keerist… so Dem Congresscritters are blocking nuke development by such idiot laws.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:02 pm #
I hope it’s up to Baracky’s standards, MC.
You wouldn’t want to get one of those unspecified fines, now…
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:03 pm #
Well come on Darleen. You want to be responsible for contaminating the inside of a reactor by putting radioactive waste in it?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:04 pm #
Darleen, if I remember right, Jimmuh had the theory that if we stopped reprocessing spent nuclear fuel, other countries would stop, too, thus preventing nuclear proliferation through some alchemical means or other.
Jimmuh had a lot of fucktarded notions like that.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:04 pm #
I’m not all caught up with what you guys said but for real if McCain had gone supernegative or asked Baracky about his little terrorist friend it would have been a mistake I think. Too too easy to frame the gay town hall as negative guy not wanting to talk about the economy and address the concerns of teh voters, and guess who’s doing the framing? Baracky’s NPR and NBC and Newsweek is who.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:05 pm #
Much better to force all that stuff into a facility like Yucca Mountain so the no-nuke and green crowds can agitate in elections on your behalf.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:05 pm #
But Baracky won’t win I promise.
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 9:06 pm #
The Health Care Right statement will need to be needled and certain radio talk show hosts will be all over it tomorrow. Played correctly, that statement opens alot of doors.
Comment by cynn on 10/7 @ 9:07 pm #
Matt, Esq: It was yet another shittily moderated and useless debate, and McCain looked pickled and Obama looked like a huffy pep rally queen. Why no hard questions on the economy?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:07 pm #
Think what it must have been like to listen to Pres candidates actually debate the meaning of the political philosophy that underlay the Declaration and Constitution during the first fifty or sixty years of the nation, rather than just spend their time making shit up out of whole cloth while the audience sits there unfazed or tittering at some idiotic gloss, unaware they are giving away the precious thing they might have had.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:07 pm #
Screw the fines SBP - he’s attributing the inalienable to this issue. He’s asserting that in the world you are BORN with healthcare. Well, who the freak is going to pay for it?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:08 pm #
Because Tom Brokaw picked the questions. Have you tried to watch MTP the past few weeks?
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:08 pm #
Unfortunately, I didn’t see any opportunity for McCain to bring up Ayers. He got the Fannie/Freddie thing and countered O’s lies about regulation “I have a copy of the letter and O’s name is not on it.” and the “did we find out about the fine?”
McCain and Palin need to stay in the news cycle with hard attacks on the trail.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:09 pm #
MTP is pretty bad alright RTO. I tivo the thing but have ended up deleting it after about five minutes or so.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/7 @ 9:10 pm #
Are blowjobs a right, yet?
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 9:11 pm #
Born with healthcare, government housing, government schooling, government food stamps, government ownership of your ass because of the greater good.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:11 pm #
Healthcare is a RIGHT is the major gaffe of the evening.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:11 pm #
Depends on who’s giving them, according to Barney Frank, Dan.
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 9:11 pm #
Yes, better to attack on your own terms and without immediate rebuttal. Let the sarrogates try to spin and obfuscate the facts… it looks weak and provides greater opportunities to establish the direction of the cycle.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:11 pm #
NBC, by giving MTP to Brokaw actually found a way to make me appreciate David Gregory that week he guest hosted.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:12 pm #
Blowjobs are health care. As are full-auto machine guns.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 9:12 pm #
Yes, Dan. You have a right to blow the government.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:13 pm #
Well, obviously you are, MC.
You own a business, therefore you have plenty money.
Right?
And if you kick, he’s going to fine you for it.
No doubt with interest and penalties, too.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/7 @ 9:13 pm #
Thanks, RTO. That’s all I’m sayin’.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:13 pm #
So, RTO, when are you running for office?
Because I’d be all about that free blowjobs and machine guns thing.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/7 @ 9:14 pm #
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:07 pm #
You are sooooooooo right, that would have been much cooler than our modern chicken in every pot giveaway politics
Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/7 @ 9:15 pm #
RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 8:52 pm #
“Warren: Private reactors are in the pipe.”
Ayup. There’s a lot of new tech out there that is just now coming online and is becoming more cost-effective every day. (e.g. These days, home geo-thermal has an ROI of three to five years. Put up a few solar panels and/or a small wind turbine and you’re off the grid. Plus, storage batteries have improved almost exponentially from five years ago. Do a grid connect and in most states, the local electric company will send *you* a check every month. Total ROI in about seven to ten years. Lots of tax write-offs, too. Plus, save 300-400 bucks a month.) People who say wind and solar are somehow not cost-effective and that nuclear is the only way to go are just ignorant. Those folks are just not even trying to keep up with their science and physics.
Other technologies that are now in the marketplace, plus others that are in development for mass production - with an average 18 month timeframe from basic idea to the marketplace - will change the economic and social landscape, anyway. (If ya think the internet and things like the iPhone have changed the world, well, you ain’t seen nuthin.’)
In other words, even w/o Fannie and Freddie, in a few years the new tech would crash the stock markets anyway.
Hell, Obama’s not “Change!” He’s 1970’s Chicago machine politics and 1960’s political and social radicalism. As said, McCain’s idea of ‘new’ technology is 1970’s nuclear energy.
These guys are beating us up with the past.
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 9:15 pm #
>>President Barack Hussein Obama. We are well and truly fucked.
Still 27 days left. No despairing, just voting, talking to idiots, etc. Don’t fall for the polls as presented by the liars in the MSM.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:17 pm #
Also I liked McCain’s song about Iran.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:19 pm #
By all means,faithkeepers, keep the faith, but, but, but, sputter… Warren F-ing Buffett TresSec? McCain is a goddamn lunatic. Sitting still while Obama pounds away at the decision to go into Iraq to take out Saddam and he says not a word in defense?
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:19 pm #
I liked McCain’s song about Iran but Baracky sounded appalled I noticed.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:19 pm #
My eldest daughter is an RN. When is King Obama going to declare her a slave in order to deliver “rights” to everyone else?
Comment by Rich Cox on 10/7 @ 9:19 pm #
@ 579
And he could have laid it to rest once and for all if he joked about it… only country that worked in the meter, or something. He did pin down O! on PAKY-stan…. had him spinning and contradicting himself on the go.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:21 pm #
He doesn’t have to, Darleen.
Where is she going to go?
Google “Canadian doctor shortage” to find out what happened up north. Unfortunately, our medical personnel won’t have that option.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:21 pm #
Buffett can be trusted not to even consider it though. He’s busy making shitty chocolate and selling the dollar short.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:22 pm #
Well that, and rooting for more Government intervention he can game to make tons of money from, yeah.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:23 pm #
Buffett = Soros lite.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:23 pm #
Oh, yeah SBP. Plenty money. Heh.
We are being crushed by the tax system - and the compliance system. My costs for complying with the tax system has increased by more than 500% over the last ten years. Do you know that SarbOx has trickled down onto private small businesses? Don’t get me started.
But small business carries the economy - by any measure that’s where the jobs are.
Healthcare is a contract - either between employer and employee or consumer and provider.
Given that I’m an old guy, I’m very motivated to have the best possible healthcare plan possible - but the cost is already at unacceptable levels and government invervention in healthcare is for the most part responsible for driving up costs. Industry can provide efficiencies to reduce costs if we can just be let loose to do it.
But to characterize healthcase as a basic human right is the kind of thing that makes businesses leave the country.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:25 pm #
healthcase = healthcare …
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:25 pm #
I shouldn’t damn McCain though I guess.
After all, he is who he is.
Who am I to expect him to be someone else who would stand up for the world historically unique political system we have been bequeathed by the blood and sacrifice of millions of patriots rather than stand there and watch as it gets flushed down a shithole?
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 9:26 pm #
The differences between the two were stark, if experience and wisdom are what you are looking for in a president.
I thought Obama looked unsure of himself a lot, and the rest of the time he was preachy and superior.
McCain is all about the straight talk. I thought he looked like he could run the country in his sleep.
And I hope he does.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 9:26 pm #
which reminds me. O! understands why certain businesses prefer incorporating in Delaware, but he can’t seem to see how regulation might drive other businesses out of the country.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:27 pm #
People can go years without every seeing a doctor or the inside of a hospital.
A few weeks without food and we bury the person.
Yet, is food a right?
What makes fucking bastards like Barry think that it is ok for HIM to confiscate the labor of doctors and nurses?
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:30 pm #
McCain wins the FOX text in vote 86% to 12% - if nothing else, better than the last one…
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:31 pm #
Darleen - good hit on the head of the nail!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:31 pm #
I’d bet that Obama would agree that food is a right, but maybe not the blow jobs and machine guns.
Which is weird, because I’m pretty sure that you could get some food if you had a machine gun.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:33 pm #
Hell, I’m going hunting with Sarah Palin. I know we’re going to get some food…
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 9:33 pm #
What about this mortgage buyout that McCain announced? Where the hell did that come from? It’s like being mugged by an octopus.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:34 pm #
Karl Rove is hammering on Obama’s plan and small business on FOX. Hope someone is listening.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 9:34 pm #
I don’t like doctors.
Avoid them like the plague.
Rather be dead than wet the bed.
I like food though.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:35 pm #
What’s your position on blow jobs, lee?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:35 pm #
Crike. First the bailout, now this. We’re all socialists now.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:35 pm #
I’ll bet a lot of you remember the destruction of the WorldTradeCenter Towers on 9/11. Oh, well, one or two of you anyway.
I’ll even bet some of you remember where you were and what you were doing. Ahhhhhhh, well, you over there, I’ll bet you remember don’t you?
Oh. You don’t? Uhhhhhnnnnh. Well, let me tell you, cause I’m a Senator. It was a big deal. And maybe you might, well, maybe you, well you could remem…well I wish you remembered it.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:36 pm #
Anyone got any tips on how to get your house appraised for a low value?
‘Cause I’m starting to feel like a chump here for having a current mortgage.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:37 pm #
Whether nishi and thor are right and McCain is a senile old fool, or Ric Locke is right and it is some fucked up sense of chivalry, the effect is the same: he is part of the problem, not the solution, and he has no fucking business being given any more power.
And if Alan Colmes were any stupider they would have to put a seat belt on his desk chair and make him wear a helmet.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 9:38 pm #
A Current Mortgage. Ha. That’s so yesterday. The Foreclosure is the thing.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:38 pm #
SBP, yup. I’m feeling like a chump for renting ’cause I can’t afford a house. Don’t I have a right to a house can ‘t afford? Um no. Actually, I don’t have that right.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:39 pm #
Heh, Colmes is such a memebot I can’t watch twenty seconds of the guy. Helmet and ballgag, I might consider it.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 9:39 pm #
From the McCain campaign: “What the bloggers are saying”
And by “the bloggers,” they mean the same fucking handful of bloggers they always go to as representative of “the right”:
On debate tactics and overall performance…
Townhall’s Amanda Carpenter: Just like the Saddleback forum earlier this year, McCain answered questions, while Obama seemed to dodge them… All in all, it was a solid performance by McCain…
Redstate’s Erick Erickson: John McCain gave the most substantive answers to the questions. Obama patently refused to answer some of the questions, including the last question. He couldn’t bring himself to admit there are things he does not know. I suspect that McCain actually will pick up a bit from here. His answers were common sense answers and steady. He did well.
National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez: Going Negative: It’s safe to say Obama went first.
Ann Althouse: Obama pops up and says he’s just trying to keep up with McCain. … That seemed a little dorky and childish.
Commentary’s Daniel Casse: For a guy who is usually hard to control, McCain is delivering tight, crisp, and extremely effective answers. Every answer has a similar structure: (a) I care about this issue (b) I’ve stood up against Bush/special interests on this issue (c) Obama has never taken a stand, never acted on this (d) so let’s compare records.
Redstate’s Erick Erickson: I’m struck during this debate that Obama is really quick to cry foul. … Obama is doing his best to play a victim, but even watching the CNN independent voter lines, it doesn’t appear to be working to his advantage. People don’t like whiners.
On McCain’s bipartisan and leadership credentials…
Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey: Who will be your treasury secretary? Good answer, offering a bipartisan slate of selections. Obama: I like Warren Buffet too!
Commentary’s Jen Rubin: McCain flashes his credentials on bipartisanship. Obama never took on the leaders of his own party. Let’s look at our records. Go to the watchdogs he says and says look at the records. Obama voted for nearly a billion in pork barrel spending. Then look at the proposals for the economy for middle income jobs. McCain is as effective in doing the compare-and-contrast exercise as he has ever been.
Townhall’s Amanda Carpenter: How is Obama going to answer this barrage of attacks from McCain? He’s pointing out all the times he as worked with Democrats (Lieberman on energy, Feingold on campaign finance, Kennedy on immigration) across the aisle and rightly noting he is the most liberal, big spending senator in the U.S. Senate. Bonus points to McCain for highlighting the $3 million earmark Obama secured for an overhead projector.
On Fannie and Freddie…
Talking Points Memo’s Greg Sargent: McCain just hit Obama squarely over Fannie and Freddie, claiming his call for action on the mortgage giants shows he was out front on the crisis
Commentary’s Linda Chavez: Obama looked positively sheepish when McCain confronted him on the letter which Obama did not sign warning of Fannie Mae disaster.
On spending…
The Corner’s Michael Graham: Write that Down: “Net Spending Cut” And then try to find any evidence of that fact from Sen. Obama’s public statements, spending proposals, or wildest fantasies. Seriously, after listening to Sen. Obama campaign for two years, is there ANYONE who believes President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Harry Reid are going to cut spending?
Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey: Obama says eliminate deficit spending, but what will he cut?
Townhall’s Amanda Carpenter: Tom Brokaw seems really worried about entitlement spending. He wants to know if the candidates “would give Congress a date certain to reform Social Security and Medicare within 2 years.” Obama says “I can’t guarantee we are going to do it in the next two years, but I would like to do it in my first term as president” and goes back to talking about taxes.
The Campaign Spot’s Jim Geraghty: Obama may have made the biggest whopper of the campaign when he said he’s proposing more in spending cuts than in spending proposals. The RNC puts his spending at $1.238 TRILLION.
The American Spectator’s Phil Klein: Obama’s Budget Scalpel…I prefer McCain’s hatchet.
The Weekly Standard’s Mary Katharine Ham: I’m pretty sure I could Google all night long and never find a formula that would make Barack Obama’s public statements indicate that his administration would represent a “net spending cut.â€Â
On the government inventing computers…
The American Spectator’s John Tabin: “The Computer†was not invented by a bunch of government scientists.
Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey: the government did not invent the computer.
On US foreign policy and using military force…
The American Spectator’s John Tabin: The Obama Doctrine… It is in our national interest to stop humanitarian disasters. Except in Iraq.
Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey: What is the Obama Doctrine when national security isn’t at stake? Interesting question. And, uh, we DID intervene in the Holocaust. He’s stumbling badly here.
Redstate’s Erick Erickson: Barack Obama suggests we need to consider moral issues in intervening with combat forces. He mentions intervening in the Holocaust and how we should have done that. Um Senator, we did intervene in the Holocaust. It was called World War II.
National Review’s Mark Levin: Obama is utterly incoherent on foreign policy.
On health care…
Commentary’s John Podhoretz: McCain just creamed Obama on health care. This may be the first time in recorded history that a Republican has actually bested a Democrat on a core Democratic issue.
The American Spectator’s Quin Hillyer: On the health care question, McCain is giving an excellent answer.
On Obama and the debate rules…
Powerline’s John Hinderaker: Obama doesn’t want to follow the rules. I wonder whether this will rub some viewers the wrong way.
Townhall’s Amanda Carpenter: How many times now has Obama asked to bend the rules of the debate, with these follow-up questions?? I remember at least twice.
The Corner’s Mark Levin: Obama is breaking the rules of the debate, no one will care, but there was a time when a gentleman’s agreement meant something.
*****
Fuck everyone else. I’m for me from here on out.
…
…
WHO’S WITH ME?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:39 pm #
B Moe, too true. McCain is a big government guy. We’re all socialists now.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 9:40 pm #
What’s your position on blow jobs, lee?
I prefer standing.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:41 pm #
I’m for you, Jeff, but I’m with me.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:41 pm #
IIRC in the S&L meltdown, the government DID acquire a lot of the assets..and eventually sold them for a profit to the taxpayers.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:42 pm #
I’m in. What these nimrods don’t understand is McCain doesn’t need to convince them, he has to go after those two year olds Obama is getting. To win them over he has to draw blood, he needs to go after Obama and leave no doubt he is a punkass poser.
Show him how JG, maybe Megan is lurking.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:42 pm #
I unnerstand Mr. Moe but for reals a Pezzydent Baracky alloyed with his media and with Democratic majorities is endgame. Game over. It’s live to fight another day time in America.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 9:43 pm #
Althouse? Althouse?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:44 pm #
Darleen, did the government confiscated the assets; it didn’t buy them. The investors lost their money. This bailout buys the assets and lets the investors profit from it. That’s fucked up.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:44 pm #
Yeah, I don’t get the Althouse thing, either.
I understand why Insty likes her (colleague, and all that) but she’s way too bland for my tastes.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:45 pm #
Try buying a few million in real estate over the last couple of years - because of the vastly increasing lease rates for small businesses as PE firms bought up all the commercial real estate around the country at a premium - and now wonder whether we are under water or not.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:45 pm #
Insty likes McCardle and Althouse. Whatever.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 9:45 pm #
I think Althouse is pretty.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:46 pm #
I think the S&L’s were allowed to fail first though, Dar, so there is a difference with today’s dealio. They’re trying hard to keep the banks and whatnot from failing.
Oh, what JeffY said.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:46 pm #
McCardle is hot. Althouse is warm.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:46 pm #
She’s okay, happy, but Jessica Alba is cuter.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to read her blog. :-)
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 9:48 pm #
Althouse strikes me as the kind who gets really pissy when you don’t acknowledge her the way she wants to be acknowledged.
But now that’s academic, duh.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:48 pm #
I don’t think so, Reid and Pelosi could fuck up a two car funeral. Obama doesn’t know how to do anything but campaign, and he isn’t particularly good at that. They would also have to contend with Kos and Hamsher and Huffington and that bunch of yo-yos. I honestly don’t see anything of significance making it out of that fucking house of mirrors. Too many egos and not enough brain cells. The thing to be thinking now is how do we get this shit turned around and headed back toward reality. McCain isn’t going to help, Obama might.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:49 pm #
Great summary Jeff - where’s Althouse been on the candidates? I have no idea…
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/7 @ 9:49 pm #
McArdle’s working for gay gossip site and anti-Semitic conspiracy newsletter The Atlantic (tm Ace o’ Spades), so I kinda don’t have much respect for her these days.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:49 pm #
626 was in answer to feets at 615
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 9:50 pm #
Yes. Of course we’re with you. Where are you going, by the way? New Left? Weathermen? ACORN voting scandals? I never know what to pack.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 9:51 pm #
JeffY and Sdferr
I haven’t gone back to look at it again… I was just trying to recall what happened and remembered it was quite nasty.
Is the government required to give mortgage holders a profit? I believe the government was going to buy those mortgages for something like 50-60% of value?
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 9:51 pm #
Are you guys blind?
Mary Katharine Ham: I’m pretty sure I could Google all night long and never find a formula that would make Barack Obama’s public statements indicate that his administration would represent a “net spending cut.â€Â
I’m standing…er, I mean she’s understanding! ahh, OUTstanding.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:52 pm #
I think Althouse is pretty.
Pretty what?
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/7 @ 9:52 pm #
I’m going to lift weights and aggravate my shoulder.
After that, I’m going for the Guinness.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 9:53 pm #
We need a three man commission on the economy.
I’d nominate Warren Buffet, Geoge Sorros and Ross Perot.
Just to get the sound bite from Perot: “What kind of idiots are you guys anyway?”
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:53 pm #
Obama might help BMoe? What, in an utterly upsidedown sort of way you mean?
Or have you lost something over there on the floor, yeah, right over there, see, that skittery thing, over there.
Comment by Jimmie on 10/7 @ 9:55 pm #
I’m feelin’ you, Jeff. Sent out an e-mail to all the biggies and got exactly zippo links. Then again, I’m a much smaller fish than you, so I don’t expect too much anyhow.
And hey, how about that McCain nationalizing a chunk of the home mortgage industry! Washington does such a bang-up job of everything else, why not let it be a landlord too!
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:55 pm #
I think BMoe meant that Obama might crash and burn on his own…
But we need to help him along…
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:55 pm #
The S&L bailout created the environment in which Wall St. bankers could take crazy risks. The only solution to ending this cycle is to allow the bad money to exit the economy and to force investors to take their losses. This will happen one way or another. There are no S&L banks today. They are all history. Investors lost it all.
Today, socialists have decided that some businesses are too big to fail. These business have the effective power to tax the electorate. That’s fucked up.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:56 pm #
Dick Simon just explained to McCain how he should be approaching Ayers, talking about the damage to the education system he is doing now that Obama has been aiding and abetting instead of just talking about him bombing the Pentagon 40 years ago.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:56 pm #
It was nasty politically when it went down (my girlfriend at the time was at OTS, then called FSLIC I think) but the RTC went pretty well (and quietly) as I remember it.
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 9:58 pm #
Obama might help BMoe?
Not intentionally. But yeah.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 9:58 pm #
Sorry, but who is Dick Simon?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 9:59 pm #
My parents lost money in the S&L fiasco. They learned to invest prudently. Why are investors today more privileged? If I sound strident, I’m sorry. I am rather bitter about how House Republicans voted and McCain’s stand on the bailout.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 9:59 pm #
He’s the guy that Lee is over standing beside right now.
Keeding! I’m keeding!
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 10:01 pm #
Shit, not Dick Simon, the former Clinton advisor that smacked down Colmes the other night, what is that fuckers name.
Jesus I got a lot of nerve calling somebody else senile.
Comment by Ana on 10/7 @ 10:01 pm #
Rescue. It’s a rescue. Dulcet tones. Soothing colors.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:01 pm #
Dick Morris?
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 10:02 pm #
Dick Morris.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 10:03 pm #
Republicans know how to stand up to McCain. They’ve made him make his pouty face too many times to count.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:03 pm #
WEll, Dick does have a point.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:03 pm #
it’s like you scrambled the letters in his last name, but made the two r’s an n. heh.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 10:04 pm #
One thing the trolls are right about. Whoever wins, We federalists are out til 2012 at least.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:04 pm #
Maggie = perspicacious
Comment by B Moe on 10/7 @ 10:05 pm #
But to answer your question, Dick Simon was an Indy car driver and owner in the 70s and 80s. I think he might own a trucking company out west, too. I don’t know what he thinks of Ayers, but I doubt he would approve.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:05 pm #
Does that mean no blowjobs until 2012?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:05 pm #
Federalism died with the 17th Amendment methinks. It’s been a retrograde operation ever since then.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:05 pm #
I like that. Much better than the William Tell Overture I had going on in my head. Dulcet. Soothing. Works for me.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:06 pm #
What? No blowjobs. I have a right to a blow job, damn it.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 10:06 pm #
And it matters for real that McCain is committed to success in Iraq. Baracky isn’t. Baracky is committed to an Iraq narrative that mirrors that of Vietnam. I hate that.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 10:06 pm #
Less William Tell, more Enya
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:07 pm #
Darleen, LOL! ROFLMAO
Comment by ThomasD on 10/7 @ 10:07 pm #
If McCain wins there is a chance he might appoint SCOTUS justices who might actually start to turn the tide. There is a further chance that Palin will rise to POTUS and she will appoint SCOTUS justices who might begin to turn the tide.
There is no upside to Obama. He will appoint SCOTUS justices who will make Ginsburg look like Scalia.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:07 pm #
Enya doesn’t sound like something I’d want to get to know, does it?
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:08 pm #
That’s why I’m holding my nose and voting for McCain.
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/7 @ 10:09 pm #
“Born with healthcare, government housing, government schooling, government food stamps, government ownership of your ass because of the greater good.”
It’s called “State slavery” done in all the best progressive nations. Much more comprehensive than that old fashioned private kind.
Coming soon to a nation near you.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:09 pm #
Dick Simon is also publishing magnate of Simon and Schuster…
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 10:10 pm #
Orinoko Flow I hate hate hate. A terrible thing to do and call music. Also what ThomasD says is very important.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:10 pm #
If McCain wins is a phrase I’m going to start associating with bunnies pooping little gold bars the grocery stores will be happy to take in exchange for sixpacks of malt liquour and cartons of maltballs.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/7 @ 10:11 pm #
Then he’s a Carly Simon Simon?
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 10:11 pm #
No way MC!
Dick morris has a mouth like a Sea Bass.
Not purdy a’tall
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:12 pm #
McCain will expand government, but he’ll kill terrorists. What a fucking choice, but there it is.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 10:13 pm #
I’ve always thought that prmising every Soldier a hummer would be a good recruiting tactic.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 10:14 pm #
Sdferr likes teh malt I guess.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:15 pm #
NTTAWWT
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 10:15 pm #
JeffY
Though, I gotta say, when McCain said “across the board spending freeze” then coupled it with a commission akin to the base-closing one to start cutting programs, that got my husband’s attention. Barry just sat there looking a little poleaxed. WHAT?? CUT PROGRAMS AND NOT THOSE BABYKILLER SOLDIERS AND THEIR AWFUL TOYS OF WAR???
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:16 pm #
Malt malt malt, though when I think dulcet-soothing, I think Ralph Vaughn Williams’ “The Lark Ascending” or something along those lines, not really a bunch of hokey new agey falderol.
Comment by Jeff Y. on 10/7 @ 10:17 pm #
Darleen, that’s a good point.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:17 pm #
RTO - Should be two hummers - one a vehicle and the other, you know, a hummer. God bless all of you who serve!
Now, I’ve got to promise the ladies some good cunnil… erm, whatcha call it?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 10:17 pm #
Mine too. Idea’s got much merit.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:18 pm #
Call it malt MC.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:19 pm #
Malt! For the ladies!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:19 pm #
Phillip Glass, maybe?
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 10:19 pm #
What’s the matter MC?
Aren’t you a cunning linguist?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:19 pm #
NO
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:20 pm #
heh
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:20 pm #
Well, you can tell that I’m continuing to support stimulus…
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:24 pm #
Olivier Messiaen, Music for the end of time, given my druthers
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 10:26 pm #
By the way Jeff, I think you should change your tag line to:
Because it takes a cunning Linguist to summarize the news!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:26 pm #
I mean, c’mon, you can just feel your brain running away now can’t you?
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:26 pm #
oh, when I say new agey, I mean that stuff associated with waterfally nature, whales, seashores and elevators.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/7 @ 10:26 pm #
Support of stimulus is clitical to penal reform as well.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 10:30 pm #
ugh and feh, can’t take mr glass. mr britten, mr barber, mr bernstein, mr milhaud, mr poulenc, YAY, mr glass, BOO.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:35 pm #
RTO - That’s the kind of reformation we need!
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:37 pm #
Healthcare is a RIGHT!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:48 pm #
see? I put everyone to sleep.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:51 pm #
Not me. I eat Phillip’s glass for breakfast - ptui!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 10:55 pm #
well, you keep crazy hours, MC.
Comment by Diana on 10/7 @ 10:56 pm #
Are we done yet?
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 10:57 pm #
M’lady! Have you been here all along? Or just finished buying some American real estate?
Comment by Diana on 10/7 @ 10:59 pm #
I watched y’all instead of the debate. You’re much more fun.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 11:00 pm #
Not asleep, though by rights I should head that way. Did McCain do wrong by himself tonight? Or has he captured lightening in a bottle?
I oughtn’t to snigger thus. But can’t help it. So depressing
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 11:00 pm #
Now you people are just getting silly. ;^D
Looking around the net….everybody’s saying it was boring.
Which is, actually, a good thing in a sense. Obama was trying to be serious and appear like the man of the hour, Kennedy-like, but he came off as boring and whiny, by turns.
The only thing people remember really about him is:
-healthcare as a right
-wimpy and confused on foreign policy/war
-something else I forgot.
So, not JFK at all. Just another tax and spend Dem pol.
An aside to Jeff:
All of those bloggers are more or less in the tank for McCain, or never criticize him harshly. You do, b/c you’re honest and you’re conservative first, repub second [if at all]. Yours seems currently a different purpose, like a Burke maybe. Its not the easy path, no. You need to write that book.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/7 @ 11:03 pm #
come to think of it, I did only yell at the television one time.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 11:04 pm #
So many lies, so little time to yell. It’s like the proverbial “drink from a firehose”.
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 11:07 pm #
But, m’lady, we would have enjoyed your stimulating participation as well…
Comment by MC on 10/7 @ 11:11 pm #
Well, I’m going to tune in to UFC instead of the debate replay… good point urthshu about Obama’s lack or oratorial inspiration.
He did suck the most.
Comment by hhHenry on 10/7 @ 11:12 pm #
Makes no difference who will be the next puppet elected to occupy the White House for the next four years, since those in control of the world’s monetary system are in charge of the United States Legislative, Judicial and Executive branches of Government, the Democratic and the Republican parties and the godless American populace.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 11:15 pm #
does that mean the godbothering American populace can still be free?
(there is a reason why home schooled kids are considered threats to the Establishment)
Comment by urthshu on 10/7 @ 11:15 pm #
One of the interesting/telling things about these debates is that they really aren’t much debatey anymore. They can just roll out responses on the net and tv and press for the next eh-week maybe, so they don’t really argue or use too many gotchas. its all just straight on talk to the people time, a big commercial.
Good night all
Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/7 @ 11:25 pm #
In related news, the Dow futures are down-80 and the Hang Send and the Nikkei are taking a real beating.
Economically, we’ve got a world-wide, rolling, negative feedback cycle going on here.
An Obama presidency automatically crashes the system. A McCain presidency slows things down, but it crashes anyway.
Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/7 @ 11:26 pm #
Sorry. Hang Seng. Hong Kong stock market.
(Hey! When I went to school typing was for secretaries and sissies. …and I weren’t no sissy.)
Comment by sweet p on 10/7 @ 11:28 pm #
most of you puppets are racist. when fox says obama won, he won…This negative blog is the only place McGeriatric Loser won…OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!
Can you see Russia from your house?? (wink, wink,)…sportcaster Palin NOT FIT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 11:31 pm #
sweet p
you’re as plastic as the astroturf you rode in on
with an IQ to match
Comment by flicka47 on 10/7 @ 11:31 pm #
Hi all,
been reading Jeff and you guys for what seems like forever,but never felt that there was much I could add.
But I just have to ask you guys two questions!!
Didn’t the O just promote the “Bush Doctrine” with his reply about Israel(not wait for or worry about the UN etc)??
And his whine about us using 25% of the world’s resourses… how come nobody ever wants to say what % of the world economy THAT produces??
ps JeffG ,don’t worry about the others please. What you do always come through and smacks you upside the head with the sense it makes.You clear the brain and make (at least me) want to continue the fight. Thanks
pps music.. about 3pm today I started hearing the Navy Hymn,just saying…
Comment by Pellegri on 10/7 @ 11:32 pm #
Whoa, a really late troll.
Sad.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 11:32 pm #
Warren
The financial crisis is easily explained
The Jews did it.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 11:33 pm #
I think Obama isn’t likable like Palin.
Palin is all happy and positive, very personable. Obama is doom and gloom, foreboding. He could play the older, ruthless vampire in the next Wesley Snipes movie, and not even break a sweat I bet.
Comment by Darleen on 10/7 @ 11:36 pm #
Lee
The Left hates Palin because she is happy. Happy people confuse them and that makes them scared and angry.
If Palin were an authentic woman she should be denouncing the Patriarchy, divorcing her husband, being such a harridan that her kids should be in all manner of therapy and Trig would never have been born. But she could never ever be happy in a less than perfect Left run world.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 11:42 pm #
I think they hate her for the same reason they hate Clarence Thomas, and Jeff.
She’s a traitor to the cause.
Comment by psycho... on 10/7 @ 11:53 pm #
Simpler.
They hate her because she refuses to do it herself.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/7 @ 11:54 pm #
Which makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, I think, that apostates hatred or better, as you have it, traitor hatred. Trust offered and betrayed we perceive as more dangerous than enmity of the openly hostile other tribe over there, who we are already on guard against. POW’s we take care of until the war is over, traitors we put against the wall and shoot.
Comment by Victor. on 10/7 @ 11:58 pm #
Few points I would like to add.
1) I agree with happyfeet, McCain did well and I think that you guys are misreading the debate because some might have had unrealistic expectations for a blogger style flame war.
2)The sense I have is that McCain has successfully stolen Obama’s thunder in a quiet way. Obama is saying the same shit today that he said 6 months ago, McCain’s recent series of chaotic campaign tactics might have damaged him in the short term- but it got the attention of voters. It allows him a certain amount of freedom that Obama is unable to match, as you saw tonight he is able to introduce fresh ideas that might even contradict his earlier position without costing him much politically.
3) re: Fred Thompson. I never understood why Duncan Hunter didn’t get more run from the right, he seemed like the real deal to me.
4)My wife said, “This is like two democrats fighting over which one is the bigger lush.” God, I Love That Woman.
5)ThomasD had a great point about McCain closing strong, people will think of him favorably because of that. McCain’s closing statement blew away these notions that McCain doesn’t get middle America. In that last minute, he spoke to them (us) in ways that Obama will never understand.
6)Most Important: Revist how McCain treated Romney in the debates. McCain kept sandbagging during the early rounds, consistently repeating small simple themes only to unleash a full blown attack in the final debate- granted just about every point McCain hammered was a big fat lie, but the point here is that it worked. The next and final debate is one week from right now, McCain is going to unload right then and right there- it’s what he does.
Comment by lee on 10/7 @ 11:58 pm #
McCain camp has a sense of humor…
rtx9b61.jpgThe Republican presidential candidate’s staff handed out cufflinks  yes, cufflinks  on Tuesday to surprised reporters with an unexpected decoration on top: a mock presidential seal for rival Democrat Barack Obama and the Illinois senator’s web site.
That’s not all. On the back, carefully engraved, were the words “The One.â€Â
It has more laughs too, though I’m not sure it’s intentional:
The Obama camp was not amused.
“People are struggling, and they want to hear about what these candidates are going to do to fix the economic crisis,†Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said. “It’s unfortunate that the McCain campaign is instead focused on these silly distractions.â€Â
Mr Vietor, politics is all about the silly distraction.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:03 am #
“The Left hates Palin because she is happy” Palin is not fit to be a VP and i cannot imagine how americans can even vote for her. But Darleen, after reading your comments i kinda of know how you folks think and vote..what a pity
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:05 am #
but let me guess, you think Obama is fit to be President. oh well, diff’rent strokes for diff’rent folks.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:07 am #
If it makes you feel better artiman, I wouldn’t vote for you. You don’t sound happy at all.
Pity.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:07 am #
DARLEAN - “Obama is backing from oil drilling” where did you get that? Just because he pointed out that just by drilling oil america cannot make up for the lack of oil? grow up with facts kiddo
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:09 am #
FOR LEE - News flash - I am not in the election. Stop worrying about me.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:11 am #
Yeah maggie. Palin can keep winking and may be one day become president when the oldie dies. You know what once Churchil said that “People will get the government they deserve”. I think that is exactly right. For the folks who vote for their leaders by looking at how she/he dresses up or the looks, that’s what you need. USA would soon be toast.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:12 am #
who is doing that, artiman?
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:13 am #
“politics is all about the silly distraction” yeah right. And that’s how exactly you help your leaders dig the hole for you. be silly and look for silly distraction and do the cheer leading. fanstastic. you rock bud.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:14 am #
artiman
Oh, I was just trying to be polite and reciprocate your worry about WHO THE FUCK AMERICANS ARE VOTING FOR!!!!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:14 am #
sorry, this is what I was asking about. we’ve had some resident trolls that are voting for Obama because he’s pretty. In fact, I overheard a woman in the show I’m in state, “If they can vote for someone because she’s a woman, I can vote for Obama because he’s a beautiful man.” perhaps you could address the people that are actually here.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:15 am #
a good part of the population. folksy charm. ring any bells?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:16 am #
because really, I’m likin’ Palin cause she’s the only person in this race with executive experience in an elected office. Legislators are not known for their ability to make quick decisions. for instance, look at Obama’s response to the Georgian conflict.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:18 am #
no.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:20 am #
Maggie - who ever reasons like “because he is a beautiful man” or because she is woman or because she is folksy and charming and almost peripheral things, thats what USA is doomed with.
LEE - I didn’t get what you meant initially. I am not an american. But was following this election since i am in the US this year and its amazing to know that many people don’t care enough to understand their leaders, compare facts etc. I don’t live in the US or care about democrats/Republican (what ever). the one i liked was Ron paul (but his views were a little bit extreme). from the lot that is remaining now, Palin is crap, Obama would do better if he sticks to his words. McCain does not have the track record or the energy to give it what it takes. Thats my view.
Anyway, goodluck americans. even the best president will not be successful in this economic hole your corporate america has dug for you. i am sorry.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:21 am #
If Palin was a democrat, you would be gushing over her artiman. Talking about the caricature of her you invented is one of those silly distractions I was talking about.
Thanks for the most excellent example.
Comment by Victor. on 10/8 @ 12:22 am #
artiman person, do you really support this warmonger Obama?
Tonight Obama put on a display that would make Dick Cheney take a second look- paraphrasing here:
“I will do everything to stop Iran from getting Nukes”, “More American Blood Must Soak The Ground in Afghanistan”,”I LOVE ISRAEL”, “Pockiston is One Bad Piece of Intelligence Away from Getting Air-Raided and Having Civilians Killed”, “Mother Russia is Evil and Must Be Confronted”.
If the last eight years are any indication of the lefts standards, shouldn’t we be calling for an arrest, trial and prison term for this blood thirsty murderer?
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:25 am #
maggie katzen - Do you really think Palin has what it takes? please take a step back and ready a few independent reviews. My view she is misinformed, does not answer questions to the point, too much negativity in her remarks and smug sarcasm. she might be president if McCain wins one day. so compare her with your past presidents Regan,Eisenhower, JFK etc who rubbed shoulders with other world leaders. Compare her to Margeret thactcher of UK as a leader of a country. to me she should just stick to what she is doing now. she might be do better.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:27 am #
um, yeah, and you do the same with Obama. dude can’t make a decision to save his life.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:28 am #
Where are you from artiman?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 12:29 am #
oh, and I also already explained why I think she’d be fine. better than Obama even.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:34 am #
Maggie - I don’t think Obama would measure up. But on a point scale if i compare, to me Palin would still be below Obama and McCain. I am not saying Obama is Jesus christ.Ha ha. If you think i am a democrat. you are wrong. I came to know about democrats and republicans etc only in 2008.
Lee - I am from India. I am in US for 1yr. Back in india political scene is much worse and below comparison. But never the less, I chose to talk about what i saw. And as a person who never followed any thing about elections (other than what i read about Bush-Algore voting and florida election issues and the supreme court verdict of US) and never wondered what is a republican or democrat, take my words as an independent view. Btw, Bush is a joke even in india. so may be i have some thing against repubs :-)
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:40 am #
I see, that’s cool artiman.
I do wonder however, how did someone in your circumstances, with regard to a foreign countries politics, end up on a right leaning blog insulting their candidates?
I think your story is as suspect as your character artiman old egg.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:46 am #
Right leaning? I don’t know what that implies. I typed out what i felt. Frankly i don’t care who wins. As for story being suspect, tell me why do think so. Give some logic and reason. old egg? ( i guess you meant decaying egg). any way what ever. i don’t intend to make you happy or see the light. Let me go crash. send me your brick bats to artiman_in_here at yahoo. I’ll get back to you if i get time. One think i can tell you. from what i saw (at the consulting firm my team is working, most americans does not know what i know about the candidates views and independent thought on what would benefit US. And if thats what is expected from educated americans, in another 25 years, you’ll be romans… enjoy and have fun
Comment by MC on 10/8 @ 12:49 am #
Sounds like we better cancel that nuke contract with India, eh?
Since Bush is a joke and all, even in India, maybe your money’s no good, fartiman…
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 12:51 am #
I like India. Even if they don’t like us I guess. I can’t worry.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 12:54 am #
Sure thing artiman.
But how did you come to be posting at this particular blog?
I suppose you don’t know what a troll is either.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:57 am #
happyfeet - I don’t think india hates US. People are the same every where. I have worked with americans and i like them. Anyday I would say americans are better than europeans. But the US govt policies have antagonized a lot of folks over different issues and people dont trust US leaders. that does not mean people hate people. India is a secular state unlike pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq/Iran etc.
MC - get a life. take your nuclear deal and shove it. india went nuclear in 1974 as the 6th nation in the world. don’t think that US is giving nuclear ‘deal’ as a gift. its a give and take. get your facts first.
Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:59 am #
bruce lee - I clicked a link in CNN to get here. get out of your head thinking that i am some thing you imagine to be. we were not talking about who i am.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 1:04 am #
oh crap.
oh, nothing personal, artiman.
Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/8 @ 1:10 am #
There’s nearly 300,000,000 geniuses in India, and we get artiman… heh.
Of course, all of those geniuses haven’t helped their economy, either. Now, if artiman blames it on America, it hammers his own national pride, which blows his earlier argument. But if he sticks with the national pride argument, then India screwed up it’s own economy. (India was gettin’ screwed by inflation long before the banking/financial crisis.)
Although, all of that said, Tata Motors is worth the investment.
Comment by MC on 10/8 @ 1:11 am #
Fartiman, I have a life, thanks.
I’ll be sure to let my friends at the State Department know that the Indian ‘man on the street’ thinks we should take that nuclear deal and shove it. Gift? Who said that? - ‘contract’ and ‘money’ don’t constitute a gift. Give and take? Ha! Go develop thorium technology yourself then.
Look, the US and India are allies - at the Executive level - you might want to think about the value of that relationship before you go around crapping on it.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 1:13 am #
I’m talking about who you are artiman.
You are a foreigner come to a pro republican blog and say “Palin is not fit to be a VP and i cannot imagine how americans can even vote for her. But Darleen, after reading your comments i kinda of know how you folks think and vote..what a pity”
So, why don’t you fuck off asshole?
Comment by MAJ (P) John on 10/8 @ 1:15 am #
Fuck everyone else. I’m for me from here on out.
…
…
WHO’S WITH ME?
You had me last week, remember? Just promise me we don’t have to sing any “Obama Youth” style songs, please. I have a hard enough time keeping up with the Methodist Hymnal.
Comment by BRD on 10/8 @ 1:33 am #
Artiman,
W/r/t to India, I think the nuclear deal was a good move technologically and diplomatically. I know that the debate over the deal has caused huge chaos in domestic Indian politics, but on balance, India has never really been a nuclear proliferator to any great degree. Which makes it very unique among nuclear powers. I also had hopes for space cooperation, but I think part of that will have to do with Japanese-Indian developments w/r/t China.
In any case, if one were to make the assertion that Biden is a better VP pick than Palin because of his experience, then it would suggest that experience is important. If experience is important, then McCain’s edge in experience should be definitive. If it is not, then that would imply that experience isn’t a major factor, and therefore Palin would not be a worse pick than Biden on an experiential basis.
Regards,
BRD
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 4:47 am #
Maggie is the rare type that can actually hear that Palin dog whistle.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 4:57 am #
It is 6:55 here and I am still perplexed as to how a Dem politician can just wave his hand and grant new rights. Any politician powerful enough to give rights is powerful enough to take them away. Someone seriously needs to implement my 12 pack in every fridge plan so at least I can cling to that when they take away my gun and my antipathy toward people who don’t look like me.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 4:58 am #
I forgot the Bible on purpose cause I really ain’t religious at all.
Comment by SabreMau on 10/8 @ 5:07 am #
Obama’s lead down to 1.9%? http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575
Maybe we’re *not* in a “Oh noes, McCain needed a debate knockout or it’s all over!” situation. Maybe the ground game/ad game is working and we’re trending back in regardless of the debate. Or maybe the pollsters are just playing around with the internals yet again just to make it exciting. Maybe nobody’s changed their mind since August and it’ll come down to GOTV and turnout like usual.
In any case, the McCain campaign playbook scores over the more pedestrian Obama campaign playbook in two important respects. First, it is slightly cheaper; and second, it has the words DON’T PANIC inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover.
And on a side note, I keep hearing that state polls are lagging indicators behind national polls, but I’m not quite sure why that would be. You’d think they’d reflect trends at exactly the same rate, wouldn’t they?
Comment by Carin on 10/8 @ 5:21 am #
I only was able to watch thirty minutes. McCain talking about saving people’s homes was too much. Reminded me why I wasn’t a McCain fan from the start.
I had the strangest dream last night about Obama performing parts of “Tommy” last night. Bullshitted his way through it.
I swears, the most frightening thing about this whole Obama-one thing is if (God Forbid) he is president, where does that leave the “watchdog” media? Are we supposed to believe that they’re going to go back to the job of keeping people honest?
I mean, cripes. Just look how the powers that be made that SNL skit go away.
Comment by Carin on 10/8 @ 5:26 am #
I love how Obama is going to fix healthcare by reducing costs! GENIUS! Why didn’t anyone think of that.
Now … how is he going to lower costs? Pixie dust? He’s pushing an ad in Detroit really hard and just glosses over this. States it as fact. People are supposed to pretend that reducing costs isn’t the major problem. He’s just gonna reduce ‘em!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 5:28 am #
Well I saw the press “watchdog” that new right that was invented last night and not bat an eye. Just like they are now “watchdogging” the hell outa some Fannie and Freddie.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/8 @ 5:39 am #
“3 million for an overhead projector in Chicago”
“I voted against those bills because they were LOADED WITH GOODIES.”
“Voter fraud, Fannie Fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud.”
This resonates. John needs to do a couple lines off of Cindy’s hip bones before the next debate.
Comment by donald on 10/8 @ 5:51 am #
The best thing about this election, is that Sarah Palin will be the next president of the United States. 2012, if Obama wins, 2012/2016 if McCain wins. She is the only one of the four people involved that has any clue about America and the constitution. McCain is a good man, but just another politician. Obama is a piece of shit marxist/leninist who I truly feel will use his office to punish those who aren’t onboard. Kinda like that George Bush/Dick Cheney caricature we’ve been reading and hearing for the last eight years only, for real.
Comment by B Moe on 10/8 @ 5:57 am #
I love how Obama is going to fix healthcare by reducing costs! GENIUS! Why didn’t anyone think of that.
I am thinking the real winner the past 30 years has been Bill Ayers and his cronies. It appears they have raised a generation of idiots right under our noses.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 5:57 am #
Whatever George Bush/Dick Cheney have done you don’t agree with, I do not remember them ever just granting the American people a completely new right thru executive fiat.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 5:59 am #
Yes BMoe they have been very successful. Do they even still teach the Pledge of Allegiance anymore or is that teh racist?
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:02 am #
WHO’S WITH ME?
I am Spartacus.
Comment by donald on 10/8 @ 6:05 am #
Thor, you are a real big man on a computer screen. Real big men on computer screens typically have vaginas.
Comment by alppuccino on 10/8 @ 6:06 am #
At this point, only thor can wake the Sleeping McCain.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:06 am #
Sorry I’m late. Did artiman bring donuts?
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:09 am #
Because Biden said there’s be donuts.
Comment by Patrick on 10/8 @ 6:15 am #
thor, it’s put up or shut up time. Tell me three things, factual and concrete and that can stand some critical analysis, that O! stands for. I would appreciate twenty words or less on each. Because I don’t hear you saying anything positive here, only screeching about Palin and McCain. So tell us what you and your candidate are actually for, and how that will positively affect change.
Groundrules:
Bush is not running for reelection, so any mention of “failed policies of the last 8 years”, Bush or Cheney is out of bounds.
I would suggest “the mortgage mess”, “domestic energy policy” and “Supreme Court nominations”
Ready, steady, go!
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 6:17 am #
I’m goddamn HUGE!
Alp could use one of my Birkenstocks for a bed.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/8 @ 6:25 am #
I think artiman is too busy bringing everyone juice boxes.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/8 @ 6:27 am #
Thor, you are a real big man on a computer screen.
Not so big on a trading screen, though.
In fact, he sucks ass.
Good thing Daddy has plenty of money for him to play with. :-)
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 6:29 am #
The wind cries Yen.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:29 am #
No, it’s either fresh lassi or a raw coconut. Boxes are so neocolonial.
Comment by donald on 10/8 @ 6:30 am #
Birkinstocks…that says it all.
Comment by Patrick on 10/8 @ 6:32 am #
As I suspected, thor. You are merely an O! chimp, flinging poo around our living room and screeching at the top of your lungs. Pity that, because I’m seriously in need of someone that can explain to me how any sentient being can be an Obama/Biden supporter.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:33 am #
Birkinstocks
…and bride burning. Ghandi wept.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/8 @ 6:36 am #
I knew a lot of Indians in grad school.
Every single one of them was planning to stay in the U.S. if possible.
Funny, that.
(so there’s no misunderstanding, I thought it was great that they wanted to do that — always room for more smart people)
Comment by JD on 10/8 @ 6:39 am #
I have seen it claimed on a couple of sites that McCain refused to shake Baracky’s hand after the debate. Is that the case?
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:41 am #
I knew a lot of Indians in grad school.
The reason I chose to go to Kenya in the Peace Corps was my best friend in college was an Asian-Indian, and he was returning home. Lots of his relatives had their property in Tanzania nationalized for Ujaama. They used to invite me to cricket tailgates and enjoy pranking on me by pouring extra curry powder in the food.
Comment by donald on 10/8 @ 6:46 am #
BaThe oozing sore on Chicago’s sperm donator was an economist in Kenya. Powerful economy there in Kenya.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 6:58 am #
The Kenyan people are some of the nicest, most welcoming people in the world. Unfortunately, we’re getting something mixed with prime American moonbat.
Comment by Carin on 10/8 @ 7:06 am #
You know, O! stated that he’s gonna cut government spending. Anyone have any idea specifically what he’s going to cut?
Comment by urthshu on 10/8 @ 7:11 am #
artiman was OK. I really don’t like/respect Indian culture or food or any of that so I don’t know where it comes from, but he had his head on straight.
He’s still making up his mind. But you note how he said ‘everybody is the same everywhere’? Thats the Death Knell to any Leftist sympathy. artiman is a populist at heart. Give him time, he’ll figure it out.
Anyway, he’s probably a doctor or knows people in the medical field. LOL If he doesn’t come around from others arguing about socializing medicine, he will once he sees the results.
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 7:16 am #
I think Rush made a big mistake, that is going to cost us all.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:16 am #
artiman at #728
Obama is doing his classic “present”. He is not serious about drilling for oil in America. He has never supported it in legislation, he reluctantly has dipped a toe in that direction, but just like he gives himself an “out” with nuke power (he’ll only go for it when the “nuclear waste problem” has been solved to his satisfaction - translation: never), Barry immediately starts in on all the ways tapping American oil resources is a non-starter.
Barry is not for American interests for Americans. Barry is for American interests aligning as a “good world citizen.” He wants America as Europe, socialist, government controled speech, regulated exceptionalism.
My only silver-lining at this point looking at a triumvirate of Obama/Pelosi/Reid with their “eat the rich” tax policies, is the world wide Depression they trigger will force people to at least toss Democrats out of Congress in two years.
DarlEEn
Comment by serr8d on 10/8 @ 7:16 am #
There’s nothing he can cut, Carin. To retain his sheeple, Obama must promise more. He only promises more and more and more. Feeding his beasts.
The American people lost out a long time ago. “A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct”. Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society comes to mind. That’s one of the skewing factors that set our current economic problems into motion.
Socialisms, entitlements, freebies, whatever you want to call ‘em. We fed the beast, now it’s coming back for more and more, and it’s getting bigger and bigger. We shouldn’t have ever gone there, at least not to the degree that we did.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:21 am #
Patrick @777
You’re attempting to get reason from an morally indecent pseudo-male. Like Kate/nishi/griefer, it is thoroughly obsessed by reason of jealousy of the Palins. It has no intellectual argument, just a blackhole where a soul usually resides, sucking the good faith from anyone in reach then ejecting nihilistic poison in return.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 7:21 am #
Plainslow what does Rush have to do with this debate?
Comment by urthshu on 10/8 @ 7:23 am #
Well, Dems always buy votes from the people. No, he can’t cut stuff really, so he’ll flat out own the healthcare industry and then fix prices below market. He won’t care that it will make the whole thing fail b/c he’ll be out before that happens.
Comment by urthshu on 10/8 @ 7:26 am #
Should be pounded, really “Obama will do for the health care industry what he has done for the mortgage industry”
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 7:27 am #
Price fixing is right there in the Constitution right beside the right to healthcare.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:31 am #
Unlike Barry, I AM the desendent of slaves … and I watched as Barry announce that my daughter, the RN, has no right to her own labor, she belongs to the state.
If doctors and nurses all decided to quit, just who is Barry going to round up to make sure that “right” is fulfilled? Just who really wants to be treated by a doctor or nurse that is working with a gun to his/her head?
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 7:33 am #
You ain’t gots ya no slave cred, ya culchie.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 7:35 am #
Sorry Darleen the Government has just given itself the right to set your daughter’s wage and who she must provide her services to. Which sounds like slavery to me too if you ask me. Some homeless bum with no money in Peoria now has the right to her service and expertise. Oh yeah so do illegal immigrants too after a couple court cases before the 9th.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 7:43 am #
I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure they shook hands or hugged or something. you might try c-span’s youtube channel.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:43 am #
Yes, slaves.
Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:45 am #
Barry is a prep school, AA college pick, never had a hard time in his life or actually held a job, fraud. The MSM refuses to vet the socialist bastard.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 7:49 am #
McCain McCain’t, hahaha.
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 7:50 am #
Mr Pink. I was refering to “Operation Chaos “. he thought McCain would have an easier time with Obama, so he even sugested people change parties where they could to vote against Hillary, so Obama could win.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031908/content/01125108.guest.html
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 7:54 am #
He wanted to keep Clinton in the race in order to have her attack Obama. He never ever said he wanted people to vote for Obama. You are completely wrong, he was urging people to vote for Clinton.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 7:56 am #
Did you even read the link you posted?
Comment by royf on 10/8 @ 8:00 am #
Well it looks like plainslow picked a appropriate user name.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 8:01 am #
Let me guess you didn’t just pick that name outa thin air did you?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/8 @ 8:16 am #
Lefty trolls can’t read, Pink. All they can do is copy and paste whatever Axelrod gives them.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 8:29 am #
Not complaining? You’re whining with no dignity whatsoever and screeching hyperboles. Jeez. You should learn the difference from Baracky’s media’s world and the real one. This might could become an Essential Skill.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 8:31 am #
I don’t know what Strawberry Best means but I think you didn’t get enough sleep and I am worried about you.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/8 @ 8:32 am #
“Comment by Darleen on 10/8 @ 7:21 am #
Patrick @777
You’re attempting to get reason from an morally indecent pseudo-male. Like Kate/nishi/griefer, it is thoroughly obsessed by reason of jealousy of the Palins. It has no intellectual argument, just a blackhole where a soul usually resides, sucking the good faith from anyone in reach then ejecting nihilistic poison in return.”
Shorter Darlee: thor is a jerkoff.
#Comment by Semanticleo on 10/8 @ 8:25 am #
Do you speak English?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 8:33 am #
It will be hard to be that big bad Capitalist Cleo is talking about when for every 1 dollar I bring in the Gov has me already obligated to pay out 2 to people that make less. Probably more like 3 when the 9th decides illegals are entitled to our new Socialized healthcare system.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 8:33 am #
Just calm down and go to your happy place. You sound actually frantic to punish someone anyone. I saw this on tv once and that person had a Bad Fate is what happened.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/8 @ 8:34 am #
“Comment by artiman on 10/8 @ 12:11 am #
Yeah maggie. Palin can keep winking and may be one day become president when the oldie dies.”
Yet another reason to vote for McCain.
Thanks!
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 8:36 am #
I slept good thanks for asking. Well actually I went to bed and then got up and made a buffalo burger and then I went back to bed again. That’s ok but if I did that every night it would be bad.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/8 @ 8:38 am #
Barry is a prep school, AA college pick, never had a hard time in his life or actually held a job, fraud.
Last week. The university gym. A faculty member (friend of mine) says, “The only thing that might stop Obama is racism.”
Me: “Race is the very thing that might elect him, what with his getting 97% of the black vote and a large guilty white vote.”
Him: “What guilty white vote? I don’t see it.”
Me: “When you and she were grad students together, why did ___(black student)_____ , get away with misuing state vehicles and grant money, failing to complete her doctorate timely, and just generally being a pain in the ass to manage?”
Him: “Well, the racism thing will probably be a wash.”
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 8:40 am #
I am not part of the problem, Semanticleo. I endeavor not to be anyway. I try really hard not to live a subprime lifestyle, apart from living in Los Angeles.
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Comment by Lisa on 10/8 @ 8:42 am #
Good morning PWers!
JD I missed you yesterday, dammit. Oh and btw, it is Comrade Sugartits now, buddy.
Comment by royf on 10/8 @ 8:42 am #
As has been said above last nights setting just wasn’t the place to bring up Ayers, I suspect it was set up like that in hopes McCain would bring it up so the media could club him with it this morning.
But there is much more to come especially about the nature of the “school reform” that was being bankrolled by the CAC.
I think any of you moonbats that think that is over are in denial, one thing is certain Keating isn’t going to work for a counter.
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 8:47 am #
I am. Something you’d like to ask?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 8:48 am #
We are all Comrade today Lisa. Our dear leader gets to invent new rights for us with a wave of us hand. No votes, no checks and balances, no problem. That is about as commie as you can get.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/8 @ 8:51 am #
Hi Lisa!
Alles klar frau commisar?
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 8:55 am #
I don’t think the word “capitalist” means what you think it does.
Comment by urthshu on 10/8 @ 8:58 am #
What corporation is this Public Trust?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/8 @ 9:03 am #
Upcoming heartache for our occasional commenter who can barely write: Derbyshire on Will Obama Kill Science?
His answer amounts to “maybe, given his political allies”. Even quotes discussion on Gene Expressions. Apparently the folks over there are a bit concerned about the impact of PC and cultural Marxism on research into the origins of human differences.
Like we’ve all said before, the “war on science” isn’t just from the far-right. Sowwy.
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 9:03 am #
What does the word “capitalist” mean in the context which you used it, cle0?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/8 @ 9:10 am #
Jeff G,
You need to be mailing copies of your daily pieces to Mav’s campaign…info@johnmccain.com
I’m sure that they’ll take notice of your well expressed and constructed arguments.
I often write them with critique/comments/suggestions. And, while I won’t attempt to say that I’ve influenced their public posture in any way, it is strange sometimes how my thoughts seem to seep into some of their stump speechifying…I jus’ sayin’…
Have you tried submitting to American Thinker? Perhaps you should mail some of your stuff to Limbaugh; I know that some folks think he’s a blowhard, but he does read a lot and cites writers and sites on the air. Seems like a way to get a little extra play…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/8 @ 9:25 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/8 @ 8:42 am #
You DON’T speak English, do you?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/8 @ 9:27 am #
“Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 8:55 am #
I don’t think the word “capitalist†means what you think it does.”
It’s that whole language thing.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 9:33 am #
oh. Yes. I am a working stiff I guess. There is many what are workier and more stiffer though I guess I would have to say. It’s kind of a sinecure really, except in 4Q.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 9:40 am #
I blame her parents.
Comment by urthshu on 10/8 @ 9:40 am #
>>There is many what are workier and more stiffer though I guess I would have to say
Like Baracky, a poor black child, scion of a working stiff mom who died of cancer and couldn’t afford to buy nothing to feed Baracky w/out the guvvamint stepping up, ‘cuz everybody’s so mean.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 9:44 am #
You no worth’m licko Baracky boots!
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 9:46 am #
He’d have to push you out of the way to do that anyway, thor.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 9:47 am #
“You can’t be a Maverick if all you ever been is a sidekick.”
Ladies and gentleman, Joe Biden is laying wood onto that little moosey-girls backside.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/8 @ 9:49 am #
Only if “laying wood” means lying his ass off…again!
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 9:50 am #
You’re not worthy to lick Biden’s hairplugs, thor.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/8 @ 9:51 am #
Joe Biden is like the fat Backstreet Boy I think. I’m not sure what he brings to the team at all really.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/8 @ 9:52 am #
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 9:50 am #
You’re not worthy to lick Biden’s hairplugs, thor.
He could be one of Joey’s buttplugs though!
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/8 @ 9:54 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/8 @ 9:52 am #
Let’s see if we can get to 1000 comments before the next posting.
With your redundant drivel it’s pretty much a certainty!
Comment by McGehee on 10/8 @ 9:59 am #
@ #858: I think he’s supposed to be the plucky comedy relief.
Though, after he spent all that money getting those hair plugs put in, I don’t know if being plucky is a good idea…
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/8 @ 9:59 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/8 @ 9:55 am #
“With your redundant drivel it’s pretty much a certainty!â€Â
Thank you very little, fuck you very much.
Nah, I doubt you’d be worth the effort!
Comment by McGehee on 10/8 @ 10:00 am #
Hmm. Somebody got deleted. My comment was supposed to be in reply to Happyfeet at what is now #857.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 10:04 am #
(troll hammered!)
Comment by cranky-d on 10/8 @ 10:09 am #
Apparently one of our nastier trolls is crossing the line again.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 10:12 am #
I do not think he has a line. Other than the one he snorts up his nose that help him come up with the insane rants he posts on here.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/8 @ 10:13 am #
People snort powdered feces?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 10:17 am #
“Obama do you swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America?”
Barry “Yes, but I do not think my Constitution is the same Constitution that you guys have been using for over 200 years. My Constitution is more of a funky tie-dye wearing Constitution who gets all up in your face and smells. He also will start giving out the some new rights to shut up if you do not like him.”
Comment by Carin on 10/8 @ 10:23 am #
Ooooh, I just got the trollhammer working. What FUN!
Comment by SarahW on 10/8 @ 10:23 am #
That would make a fine segment of “schoolhouse rock”, Mr. Pink.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 10:27 am #
Sister Palin is such a good role model for young women.
Babies! Weeee! It’s raining white babies!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 10:29 am #
I have a feeling all those new rights will somehow involve my tax dollars and limits on my freedom. Hey though it is one small step on the road to the glorious socialistic paradise. It that will work this time guys I swear. Oh yeah by the way what is the over under on the amount of time it takes O! to flip on the Fairness Doctrine once he gets in office with strong Dem majorities? I say around 5 months.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 10:31 am #
How do you know which posts are written by lazy black people? Hahaha.
I’m going to install RacistDeleter 2008 into Firefox.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/8 @ 10:33 am #
OT: Just an aside here but as it falls into the general sort of incursion against public speech by a self-appointed thought police, I thought it worth mentioning.
Sarah Palin gave a speech here in Lee County last Monday. She was preceded at the event by a number of speakers, one of whom was our County Sheriff, Mike Scott. Here’s a snippet from today’s online edition of our local paper:
So, y’know, it can happen here.
Comment by SevenEleventy! on 10/8 @ 10:33 am #
Comrade Obama
Comment by cranky-d on 10/8 @ 10:34 am #
“That is not the Constitution I knew.” - Baracky
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 10:34 am #
I suppose you guys are right. he wanted to cause Chaos. To weaken Obama through Hillary. Unfortunetley for me, voting GOP, it seems it did not work. It just seems to have made Obama stronger.
Sorry I did’nt read the whole article. My boss frowns on it.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 10:40 am #
Too bad your boss doesn’t frown on someone having the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.
Comment by plainslow's boss on 10/8 @ 10:43 am #
Sorry I did’nt read the whole article. My boss frowns on it.
Straighten that paper hat!
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 10:48 am #
“Too bad your boss doesn’t frown on someone having the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.”
And yet you still converse with someone with a reading comprehension of a 6 year old. My you are enlightened.
Comment by plainslow's boss on 10/8 @ 10:49 am #
Time to refill the napkin holders!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 10:50 am #
“And yet you still converse with someone with a reading comprehension of a 6 year old. My you are enlightened.”
If you consider this conversing you really are plain slow.
Comment by plainslow's boss on 10/8 @ 10:56 am #
Toilet overflowed. Get a mop.
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 10:57 am #
Well, I’ll leave you alone Mr Pink. I am way too slow to talk with you. Please accept my accept my apologies.
Comment by plainslow's boss on 10/8 @ 10:59 am #
Did you put out that wet floor sign?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/8 @ 11:00 am #
No problem plainslow. I probably was way too harsh I am in an extremely bad mood today. I just found out the last of my dental work takes place tommorrow and that is always bad news. And I also watched someone shit over my countries founding Documents last night and the other candidate just sat there taking notes. It was quite irritating. If you took my comments personally I apologize.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/8 @ 11:04 am #
Still OT: I hadn’t seen the offending word until just now. Here it is, more or less within a complete context, I’ll assume (not).
Mike Scott, baldly.
Comment by SevenEleventy! on 10/8 @ 11:05 am #
Pink, make sure you send the bill to Obama, because it’s your Constituitional right.
Comment by plainslow on 10/8 @ 11:05 am #
Accepted. I should of read the article, and this would’nt of happened.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/8 @ 11:27 am #
“Let’s see if we can get to 1000 comments before the next posting.”
Let’s see if you can ever make a cogent point before dying?
Comment by SevenEleventy! on 10/8 @ 11:38 am #
Watch out OI, ‘cleo will fuck you very much!
Comment by Patrick on 10/8 @ 11:49 am #
I suspected it was futile, but I’m just dying to find somebody on the left who will actually talk about issues, rather than starting with or quickly decaying to a screeching poo-flinger.
Comment by thor on 10/8 @ 11:53 am #
Shut up, you slut!
Comment by cranky-d on 10/8 @ 12:06 pm #
I used to think of it as performance art, but it has passed way beyond.
Comment by Sam Hall on 10/8 @ 12:09 pm #
If this blog is a community, then thor is the crazy homeless guy on the corner shouting incoherently and stinking of cheap wine and piss.
Except smellier.
Comment by McGehee on 10/8 @ 4:29 pm #
All right, dammit. this comment was meant to be in answer to this comment.
As long as neither of those comments get deleted, I should be fine.
Comment by lee on 10/8 @ 6:14 pm #
what is the over under on the amount of time it takes O! to flip on the Fairness Doctrine once he gets in office with strong Dem majorities?
Depends on if the dems get a super majority (veto-proof) in Congress.
Contrary to logic, I think it would become less of a priority in that case, in the short term.
They would have a couple of years, and it would be in the Progressive mindset to enjoy some humiliation of conservative talking heads first.
I give them an even year without a super-majority, 18 months with.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 8:45 pm #
to follow up on my previous answer… the cspan youtube is here at roughly 1:33:00, McCain is either growing a somewhat tanned hand out of his back, or is engaged in an embrace with The One.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/8 @ 8:46 pm #
grrrr, it ate my c-span link. here: http://tinyurl.com/485b27
Comment by Lisa on 10/11 @ 4:16 pm #
I just wanted to be comment #900. Squee!!!