This, from commenter Andrew the Noisy: “Pilate was an urbane and educated professional. Jesus was a Galileean redneck born in a barn.”
– Though, in fairness, he was a Capricorn, too.
Just thought you should know.
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Comment by ducktrapper on 9/12 @ 10:58 am #
You are confusing teh narrative, dude!
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/12 @ 11:00 am #
Just like SATAN would!
Comment by JD on 9/12 @ 11:00 am #
Jesus would have been pro-choice, you the-neo-con godbotherers!
Comment by JD on 9/12 @ 11:01 am #
theo-neo-con … I am teh suXxor at spelling.
Comment by Chad on 9/12 @ 11:01 am #
Best comment I heard was:
Pilate simply voted “Present”
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/12 @ 11:01 am #
Abortion on demand, Jesus would have stood for. Hell, would have saved Mary from having to answer a bunch of really pointed question, you can bet your ass on that.
Comment by mojo on 9/12 @ 11:06 am #
I thought Jesus was a carpenter?
Pilate was a Patrician, by the way, who was appointed military governor of Judea so he would be able to run for higher office.
Remind you of anybody?
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:07 am #
You know who else was a community organizer? Pol Pot.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:08 am #
If Mary could have had an abortion, she wouldn’t have had to give birth in a stable.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 11:13 am #
I was surprised that Lisa said “…I think it is kind of a pithy quote.” It just seems to me that any trivial point (dig) the meme suggests is undone ten-fold by its obvious inapplicability on every hand at every level. How can its mouthers not see the problems?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/12 @ 11:14 am #
That was Karen.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 9/12 @ 11:18 am #
Abimael Guzman was also a community organizer.
Comment by BJTexs on 9/12 @ 11:20 am #
Um … the proper term is “brownnecked” because of, you know, Teh Semites.
Pilate was an appointed patrician to rule a conquered people. Jesus stated again and again how the “choices” people made on earth was between obedience to God or sin.
Apparently, that commentator is reading a New Testament translated by Carrottop.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 11:21 am #
NPR sure isn’t even half as concerned when a hurricane is headed to Texas as when one is headed conveniently toward amplifying their Katrina narrative is what we have learned. NPR is fags. I am disgusted.
Comment by BJTexs on 9/12 @ 11:22 am #
Wasn’t Al Capone a community organizer in Chicago? Kinda? Sorta?
Comment by SarahW on 9/12 @ 11:27 am #
Where are all the community organizers NOW? I have a linen closet I just don’t know what to do with.
FREE COMMUNITY ORGANIZING! YAY!
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:28 am #
I prefer this one
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 11:28 am #
How are your people in Houston making out hf? Ok I hope.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/12 @ 11:29 am #
YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARSE IT!!! Carin nailed it at her blog, you’re supposed to think “Obama=Jesus=good and Palin=Pilate=KILLER!!!!” basta, turn your brain off after that. You don’t want to elect a killer do you?
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/12 @ 11:31 am #
and you’re a hypocrite for not recognizing the Obamessiah.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:33 am #
Jesus doesn’t want Obama for a Sunbeam.
I had to wash my ears after that Kris Kristopherson song.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 11:34 am #
Well, ….. um ….. uh ….. unnnh ….. yes ….. That is exactly who I want to elect, a stone cold killer who can stone cold kill stuff ….. especially after watching all those Sept. 11th retrospectives I saw yesterday.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:35 am #
Did I mangle his name? I DON’T CARE. Ever since he starred in that movie with Babs … shudder.
Comment by keyser soze on 9/12 @ 11:38 am #
From a page reconciling the Gospels acoounts to the Jewish philosopher Josephus:
In the fifteenth year of the reign of Emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness.
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Antiquities 18.2.2 35
Tiberius sent Gratus to be procurator of Judea..This man deprived Ananus of the high priesthood, and appointed Ismael…
…Joseph called Caiaphus was made his successor. When Gratus had done those things, he went back to Rome, having tarried in Judea eleven years, and Pontius Pilate came as his successor.
War 2.6.3 94 (Ant. 17.11.4 318)
Caesar…gave one-half of Herod’s kingdom to Archelaus with the title of Ethnarch, and promised to make him king also afterward, if he rendered himself worthy of that dignity. But he divided the other half into two tetrarchies, and gave them to two other sons of Herod, the one of them to Philip, and the other to that Antipas who contested the kingdom with Archelaus. Placed under Antipas were Perea and Galilee, with a revenue of two hundred talents. Batanea, Trachonitis, and Auranitis, and certain parts of Zeno’s house about Jamnia, providing a revenue of 100 talents, were made subject to Philip.
Antiquities 20.7.1 137
Claudius bestowed upon Agrippa…Abila, which had been the tetrarchy of Lysanius.
Comment
These establish the year of the appearance of John the Baptist, and hence of the subsequent public career of Jesus. The 15th year of Tiberius was 28/29, as he reigned for 22 years and some 5 or 6 months, from 14-37. Pontius Pilate was procurator from 26-36, and Caiaphas was high priest over almost the same period, 26-35. Herod Antipas ruled Galilee from 4 BCE to 40 CE, and Philip his assortment of lands from 4 BCE to 34 CE.
As to “Lysanius”, Luke is at variance with Josephus.Lysanius was killed by Marc Antony during the reign of Herod the Great. The small territory of Lysanius was leased by Zenodorus (or “Zeno”, War 1.20.4 398), and was later given by Caesar to Philip, as quoted above in one of the passages. After Philip’s death this little region that had belonged to Lysanius, along with other pieces of Philip’s territory, was given to Agrippa by the Emperor Claudius circa 40 CE (also cited above).
Antiquities 18.5.2, 18.5.3 136
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a connection to the Essene community on the Dead Sea. The Essenes are also thought to be the authors of many of the Dead Sea Scrolls, although not all scholars are convinced of this; in any case, the scrolls have shown many affinities to the messianic concerns of the New Testament.
Samaritans
Lk 9.51
When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. And he sent messengers ahead of him. On their way they entered a village of the Samaritans to make ready for him; but they did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem . When his disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” But he turned and rebuked them. Then they went on to another village.
Ant. 20.6.1 118 (also War 2.12.3-4 232-235)
It was the custom of the Galileans, when they came to the Holy City at the festivals, to take their journeys through the country of the Samaritans. On their route lay a village called Ginea, which was situated on the border between Samaria and the Great Plain, and at this time certain persons fought with the Galileans, and killed a great many of them. When the leaders of the Galileans were informed of what had been done they came to Cumanus and desired him to avenge the murders; but he was bribed by the Samaritans to do nothing. The Galileans, indignant at this, urged the Jewish populace to resort to arms and to regain their liberty, saying that while slavery was a bitter thing but that, when it was joined with direct injuries it was completely intolerable….they entreated the assistance of Eleazar son of Dineus, a robber who had for many years made his home in the mountains, and with his assistance they set afire and plundered many villages of the Samaritans.
Comment
The Samaritans had their own Bible and their own Temple. There was an enmity between Samaritans and Jews that sometimes became violent. The forced contact between the groups as Galileans journeyed to festivals appears both in Josephus and the New Testament; in the Luke excerpt, the festival is the Passover at which Jesus planned to make his entrance into the city. The incident described by Josephus took place about 50 CE.
Some other points: In both passages there is a mention of Galileans setting fire to Samaritan villages (or wanting to) as revenge. One of these, Eleazar is a “robber,” lêistês, of the sort that recur in Josephus, some of whom were anti-Roman guerillas that followed the revolutionary philosophy of Judas the Galilean. Incidentally, this Eleazar is also mentioned in the Mishna, the Rabbinic work compiled about 100 years after Josephus wrote the Antiquities; describing a time “when murderers became many,” Mishnah Sotah 9.9 reads: “When Eleazar son of Dinai came (and he was also called Tehinah son of Parishah) they changed his name to ’son of the Murderer.’”
The particular incident recorded by Josephus was extremely serious, resulting in mass crucifixions and beheadings and eventually in an embassy to the Emperor Claudius. As a result Cumanus was deposed as procurator in favor of Felix, and the latter finally captured Eleazar son of Dineus and sent him in chains to Rome (Ant. 20.8.5 161).
Insurrection in the City under Pilate
Lk 13:1
At that very time there were some present who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices He asked them, “Do you think that because these Galileans suffered in this way they were worse sinners than all other Galileans? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all perish as they did.”
Lk 23:18
They they all shouted out together…”Release Barabbas for us!” This was a man who had been put in prison for an insurrection (stasis) that had taken place in the city, and for murder.
Mark 15:7
And there was one called Barabbas who had been imprisoned with the rebels, who in the insurrection (stasis) had committed murder.
Mark 15:27/Matthew 27:38 ( Lk 23:32)
And they crucified two robbers with him, one on the right, and one on the left.
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Antiquities 18.3.2 60-62 (War 2.9.4 175-177) (speculative)
Pilate undertook to bring water to Jerusalem using money from the sacred treasury, and deriving the source of the stream from the distance of two hundred furlongs. However, the Jews were not pleased with what had been done about this, and many ten thousands of people got together and made a clamor against him, insisting that he should leave off that design. Some of them also cried insults and abuse at the man, as crowds of such people usually do. So he clothed a great number of his soldiers in the people’s garments, under which they carried clubs, and sent them off where they might surround them, he bid the crowd to withdraw. While they boldly cast abuse upon him, he gave the soldiers a prearranged signal. But the soldiers laid upon them much greater blows than Pilate had commanded, and equally punished those that were tumultuous and those that were not. Showing no softness, the people were caught unarmed by men prepared for the action, a great number of them were slain, and others of them ran away wounded. And thus an end was put to this insurrection (stasis).
Comment
The gospels agree that Jesus was crucified along with two thieves; the Greek word for “thieves” used by Mark and Matthew is liêstai (singular lêistês), the same word Josephus uses throughout his
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:39 am #
Oh, that’s a good one too, urthshu. Although this is my favorite Cash/religous song.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:40 am #
Oh, good Lord.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:42 am #
uhhhhh….community organisers?
Actually kinda unintentionally funny video, that one. Look around 1:22, for example
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 11:44 am #
Thanks Sdferr – we’re mostly sort of south of Houston – mom boarded up and headed for the hill country to stay with friends a couple days ago, but it looks to be heading north of us – not that NPR cares.
Comment by mojo on 9/12 @ 11:45 am #
“A properly planned and executed theft is also a form of communication, you see, and one which the victim cannot ignore. Kind of like a punch in the nose.”
– The Guy Two Crosses Over
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:45 am #
OK – that Sose stuff I’m not reading. LALALAcanthearyou
Comment by cranky-d on 9/12 @ 11:45 am #
Okay, what just happened here @24? When I see something that long and it’s not from a commenter I recognize as being worth it, I bloop past.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:47 am #
Oo love the Man Comes Around linky. Forgot that one
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:47 am #
Someone with an ax to grind, I think.
Comment by cranky-d on 9/12 @ 11:49 am #
I mean, I’m all about the bible in the proper context, but this place isn’t about bible studies. A few choice quotes can, and already have, refute the “Jesus was a community organizer” meme. Which will, of course, continue in the consciousness. Isn’t the attempt to connect the Obamessiah to the Messiah incredibly subtle?
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:49 am #
Obviously, someone thinks we’re not familiar with the bible. Take it to Kos. I don’t think they’re as clingy as us over here. They prolly could use some of your preaching.
just saying.
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/12 @ 11:50 am #
Yeah, that’s my favorite Cash tune, as well. It was used at the beginning of the remake of Dawn of the Dead, which weren’t a bad flick.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 11:50 am #
Just in case you don’t have it hf, here’s where I always go for the dope on hurricanes. I mean, who needs stupid NPR?
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:52 am #
Anyway –
Isn’t the whole thing sorta blasphemous? Sorta like saying God is an Inventor, like the guy what thought up the blue toilet stuff?
[And, like the Tidy Bowl Man must be the global warming scientists]
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/12 @ 11:52 am #
Oh, but I do love me some Kris. If I could be anyone, it’d be him.
This song, from Cisco Pike, is one of my faves.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 11:53 am #
I like that movie too. And, I will note, that the use of music in that flick is INSPIRED.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 11:53 am #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPPBnciNAqI
Ty-D BOL!!!1!
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/12 @ 11:54 am #
Oh, and these two, also.
Comment by BJTexs on 9/12 @ 11:55 am #
He’s trying to run Josephus’ historical account of Jesus’ death, for reasons that I am at a loss to explain.
The one that will really blow progressives’ heads to tiny bits:
Jesus was, at his essence, AN EVANGELIST! chew on that one for a while.
urthshu: Me thinks the guy who put that thing together doth inflate teh Obama’s and community organizer’s importance. Also, he needs to look up “Rebellion” and “Guerilla” in the dictionary as well as compare the actual deeds of the founding fathers compared to Obama’s efforts.
Also: No abolitionists? How about the Temperance League? No Pro-lifers? The Minutemen at the border? Tres, tres selective, n’est pas?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 9/12 @ 11:56 am #
Well the movie C.H.U.D. sucked.
Comment by dittybopper on 9/12 @ 12:03 pm #
Jesus and Barack have something in common: Jesus H Christ! Barack H Obama!
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 12:05 pm #
Jeez I’m looking through old 70s commercials and now I’m strangely patriotic and hungry
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 12:05 pm #
Thanks sdferr, I just use what Drudge links mostly, which is a lot what that site is I think. Drudge is really really good with hurricanes. I think they help center him really. Also I didn’t even look at #24 either. Some people understand communication and some people use jumbo washable crayons I think. The crayony ones I skip. The glow in the dark ones are cool though.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/12 @ 12:06 pm #
Oooooh, I love it when the left uses suchnuanced, almost parable-like, analogies…
So many levels, duuuuuuude…
What do they mean? ‘Cuda would have killed Jesus? That she hate’s Jews?
I know they can’t really be alluding to Obama being the messiah, can they…
I mean, most of the Kos Kidz don’t believe in Jesus, but they do believe in O! What gives?
They can’t be calling O! Jesus, because as we all know, Rev. Wright taught him not to trust Jooooooss…
I wish Susy and Tim Robbins would just get it over with and leave the country already!
Comment by Diana on 9/12 @ 12:08 pm #
Jeff … you’re gonna have to grow a beard again.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/12 @ 12:08 pm #
In response to Keyser Soze:
Antiquities 97. 1 KISSFM (Top 40)
“I am Vinz Clortho – Keymaster of Gozer.”
Gozer the Gozarian
Ramis: Holy Script pg 76, lines 91-96
“Gozer the Traveller will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii the Traveller came as a very large and moving Torb. Then of course in the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants they chose a new form for him, that of a Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you.”
Comment
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 9/12 @ 12:08 pm #
Jesus just wishes that he was as wonderful as O!…
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 12:11 pm #
The Jews killed Jesus b/c he wouldn’t become a doctor is what I heard
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:14 pm #
Maybe the reason Democrat chanters of the Jesus/Pilate meme don’t hear the foolishness of the thing in their own inner-listening-for-meaning-devices is the same as the reason they are wont to nominate for the presidency one after another such luminaries as George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Albert Gore, John Kerry and Barack Obama?
Comment by The Lost God on 9/12 @ 12:20 pm #
“I thought Jesus was a carpenter?
That was Karen.”
Yeah. And if Mama Cass had only shared that ham sandwich with her, they’d both be alive today.
Comment by keyser soze on 9/12 @ 12:22 pm #
Pilate killed Jews who rebelled, he killed a group of Samaritans on Mt. Nebo; he used Temple funds to fund his treasury; Putting Jesus to death despite the fact that he was innocent;
was the smallest of his crimes. He was
a petty bureaucrat like the Vichy puppets who exceeded their Nazi masters, or Putin’s appointed governors
in Chechnya. It’s an obscene outrage that this meme isn’t totally dismissed;
and those who propose it like Axelrod, Brazile, forced to prove their
integrity. I tried to trim the piece to only those parts that showed Pilate’s brutal nature, for those who wish to deny Jesus’s presence or
see him only through the prism of the Da Vinci code.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 12:22 pm #
Baracky is sort of not driving his little train anymores already, except for his new brilliant idea to make fun of Senator McCain for being old, and now he wants to let 527s play too? Add Joey Hairplugs and Baracky’s drooling idiot NPR MSNBC crack whores to the mix and what you have is a train wreck I think. An embarrassing train wreck. These are not people that we can let near our economy much less trust on national security. It’s odd that it ever seemed plausible really.
Comment by Bob Reed on 9/12 @ 12:24 pm #
You can tell that the people breathlessly embracing,and repeating, the Jesus-Pilate meme know little about the Bible.
You see, for those who aren’t aware, the crime of sedition that actually led to the crucifixion was patently false-an important point.
The elite theocratic and political folks, the Sadduces and Pharisees, had been trying for a long time to discredit Jesus’ evangelizing as some cheap political ploy-and were never able to do so !
In fact, one of their most notable attempts to publicly discredit him spawned a very well worn cliche; “Render unto Caeser that which is Caeser’s, render unto God what is God’s“.
The whole point being that, especially to Christians, the notion that Jesus was a community organizer-in the modern, political sense-is patently ridiculous.
As are most of the Kos Kidz’ memes-so what else is new…
Comment by cranky-d on 9/12 @ 12:24 pm #
@55: For you, that was pithy.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 12:25 pm #
If Obama was like Jesus, shouldn’t he have been chasing out the DNC bundlers with a whip?
Whatevs, I gotta get that burger
Comment by cranky-d on 9/12 @ 12:26 pm #
Progressives are only interested in Jesus when it advances their agenda. Otherwise, not so much.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 12:27 pm #
Jesus: I know how to fix the healthcare problem!
DNC: Socialized medicine!
Jesus: NO! Just everybody stick your heads under my hands!
DNC: Kill this guy.
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 9/12 @ 12:29 pm #
Obama is Jesus’s role model. One day, Jesus too will sit at the right hand side of God, with Obama sitting at the left.
Comment by Urainium238 on 9/12 @ 12:31 pm #
” I think that the gap between the rich and the poor contributes to the pain of the world.”
Somehow I think Sarandon doesn’t get that it isn’t that “rich people are rich while I’m poor” that causes pain. The problem is they are poor. If you want to fix that then you give them money and make them less poor but keep your claws off of my stuff, you socialist hag.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 12:31 pm #
Please don’t make Susan and Tim leave the US, because they’ll come over here and the neighborhood will go to hell and the house prices will go down. No, you keep them.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/12 @ 12:31 pm #
“Progressives are only interested in Jesus when it advances their agenda. Otherwise, not so much.”
Kinda like T. Boone Pickens.
Comment by Pablo on 9/12 @ 12:32 pm #
Is it wrong of me to hope that Geraldo Rivera’s cranium gets impaled by a piece of flying rebar and that his body, ebbing life, is swept out to sea by the storm surge?
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:33 pm #
Their friends are their enemies (MSNBC, Barbra Streisand, NPR, Time, Father Pfleger, NYT, Vlad Putin, HAMAS, Iranian Mullahs, Newsweek, pompous Euro lefties, BBC, Bashar Assad, CNN, Rev. Wright, WaPo, Susan Sarandon, TNR, Tim Robbins, Daily Kos.)
Strange how that works out the way it does.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 12:34 pm #
Carin,
Kristofferson can’t sing to save his life, but he is an incredibly gifted songwriter.
Since we have been talking about Johnny Cash and his spiritual songs somewhere back there, I thought I would throw out Kristofferson’s “Why me Lord?”
I loved this song even before I could relate to it.
Yeah. “A Star is Born” was kinda like bad sex, but that doesn’t take away from Kristofferson’s uncanny gift for song writing.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 12:35 pm #
Johnny Cash can make any old crap sound good, and when he does Depeche Mode, you have your proof.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:37 pm #
Whaddaya mean can’t sing to save his life? You wanted Dietrich Fischer Dieskau? This ain’t Schubert Lieder we’re talking here.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/12 @ 12:39 pm #
Instead of comparing Obama to Jesus, Dave in Texas (@ AOSHQ) goes the other route. As they say, Must See TV.
One of the funniest things I’ve seen on the internet.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/273270.php
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/12 @ 12:40 pm #
now, now, Sdferr, I think most of us can agree that it isn’t always about vocal production. no reason to jump on Carin pointing it out. ;D
Comment by Mr. Pink on 9/12 @ 12:40 pm #
Urthshu I do not think they would kill him so much as slander him, send 30 lawyers and private investigators to his home town to drag up dirt on his sisters cousins-firstborn, and spread lies about him really being the son of Herod. That would be more in keeping with the modern day DNC.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:41 pm #
I’m just not that into Kris. One of those things. It’s not him it’s me.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:43 pm #
Now now, it wasn’t me who said he couldn’t sing. Blame lost dog up there.
I’ll own up to not caring for him. But, you know, I like Tool so that should kind of explain things, right?
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/12 @ 12:44 pm #
darn it. sorry. I blame being on mile 8.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 9/12 @ 12:47 pm #
You are a twisted, sick woman, Carin.
AND I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!
Sorry. Guess this is my week for random-recalling movie quotes.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:49 pm #
That was rather amusing, Lamont. And, the movie (Downfall? I think) was AWESOME. I recommended it to everyone I know but I don’t think anyone actually watched it.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:49 pm #
I own lots and lots of tools. Maybe that’s why I’m nearly deaf, heh.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 12:51 pm #
drag up dirt on his sisters cousins-firstborn
Wouldn’t that have been John the Baptist? Puh-lenty to dig up there, sure. I mean, he was a freekin’ community organiser!
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:51 pm #
Sdferr … don’t make me start linking Tool youtubes. That’s how I lost all the readers on my blog.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 12:52 pm #
Carin,
My office mate just gave me Salival – good version of No Quarter on it.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:52 pm #
I’ll go look them up m’self C, s’ok.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 12:52 pm #
I own lots and lots of tools.
So does George Soros. The biggest one is called “Barack”, I think.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 9/12 @ 12:54 pm #
Damn Carrottop translations. I should have known when Malcom X denounced them, I should have stayed away.
Ah, Susan Surandon. The woman that made me hate the Mets.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:55 pm #
Oh … Silver … don’t get me started … I swear. I’ll link some 12 minute Tool song and then no one will talk to me anymore.
Comment by JBean on 9/12 @ 12:55 pm #
NPR sure isn’t even half as concerned when a hurricane is headed to Texas as when one is headed conveniently toward amplifying their Katrina narrative is what we have learned. NPR is fags. I am disgusted.
Hey, Happy, I’ve got a son, DIL and two small grandsons in Houston — and Ike’s track goes right over their house. We got wiped out by Wilma three years ago, so I can’t stop the mental re-runs. Just damn.
I sure hope that rednecked Galilean likes the people of Houston.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 12:56 pm #
I want to get Mac Davis best of stuff just cause my mom used to think he was the the bestest thing ever. That and Glen Campbell. And I don’t think she has these ones on cd. I will check her cds when I go home for the holidays. Also Anne Murray but I don’t really feel any urgency on the Anne Murray. She has plenty of new hoochies she seems to really like. But I thought it would be nice to get her some old music she maybe has dad memories attached to. That new guy will just have to deal I think. He’s a great guy what did the boarding up of the house this week, so it’s nothing personal. Just I thought it would be nice for her birthday next year.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 12:57 pm #
You are among fellow Tools, Carin. But in all honesty, this version by the Mule kicks.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:57 pm #
so I’m listening to the first thing that came up titled “Schism”. Strikes me as kinda “yes” merged with “grunge” but what do I know?
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 12:57 pm #
Here’s one for Jeff. Maynard is some sort of martial arts bad ass, and some fan gets on stage and goes for a hug – Maynard gets him in some sort of lock and KEEPS SINGING.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 12:58 pm #
Oh. I remember Alicia and my friends having to live in hotels and stuff. That could happen again, and it could be very very ugly. You have to hope the storm moves through fast but this one is very big and rainy. They cant take this one too seriously I think.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 9/12 @ 12:58 pm #
Yep Carin, it was The Downfall. Excellent movie. Most haven’t seen it. The only ad I ever saw for it was on the History Channel.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 12:59 pm #
*can’t* – Hah – now that I disabled my semicolon key this is what happens
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 1:02 pm #
happyfeet: listening to NPR so we don’t have to.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:02 pm #
Schism is good, but I love just about every song they do. “Rosetta Stoned” is doing it for me right now (newest album), but it’s a bit weird in the beginning so perhaps not the most accessible.
I would say metal/alternative rock. I made the comparison to Rush the other day with my husband and he didn’t like that one bit.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 1:03 pm #
Tool is prog metal, and Snakes & Arrows is definitely prog metal. So, school your hubby.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 9/12 @ 1:04 pm #
I like Undertow a lot, but the rest I could do without.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:08 pm #
Perhaps, Happy, you need to have a talk with your misfiring pinky finger.
Do a lot of “pppp” and throw in a few “////”.
Once it’s got those down, perhaps you can bring back the semicolon.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:09 pm #
See, now I think Undertow is their weakest album. Really I just got it for “Sober” and “Prison Sex” – which I only listen to when I’m pissed off.
Comment by Victor. on 9/12 @ 1:10 pm #
The Left has internalized the method of reinterpreting meaning to such an extent that it’s beyond schizophrenic.
When I pointed out to a progressive (on another site) that the distain he had for the spin being used to justify the “Lipstick/Pig” story was actually introduced first by Obama when he misconstrued the remarks from Palin/Giuliani regarding “community organizers”, he reacted with outrage and called me a liar, said I was defending someone who “mocked an honorable endeavor”.
I pointed out that in both instances you can’t come to these conclusion from the text alone, it requires that you insert external factors that are independent of the speaker and the speech.
Denial persisted. Obama was/is morally right to denounce any implication that might connect a persons responsibilities with their inherent value, even though they never suggested such a thing.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:10 pm #
Well, LET ME RIGHT now recommend “Downfall.”
Best portrayal of Hitler EVER. Must see.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 9/12 @ 1:12 pm #
Maybe I can’t take them straight up, then. Most of their stuff is just a little too flamboyantly, deliberately taboo-flouting for me. I likes my taboo-flouting all innocent- and accidental-like.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:12 pm #
What about “A Perfect Cicle” Slart? It’s like Tool mixed with Smashing Pumpkins. Or the Cure. I’m not sure which.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 9/12 @ 1:12 pm #
If you like Tool and newer Rush, you might just like Fair To Midland. This is very good.
Comment by Ric Locke on 9/12 @ 1:15 pm #
happy, for the last few hours I’ve been watching this (WARNING: big, slow, Java-infested). Seeing the rain bands get in range of the radars is, umm, interesting. Also it would appear that Dale (whom you should visit occasionally) is getting irrigated at the moment. Texas not so much yet.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Barretta Brun on 9/12 @ 1:15 pm #
“The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing” was on last night. SARAH Miles.
Just sayin’…
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:16 pm #
Taboo-flouting? Well, their first album was the worst of offenders.
I find they have rather thoughtful lyrics (I won’t go all fangirl and cut-n-past). I don’t always agree. But, I’ve never been offended.
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 1:20 pm #
Well, I like older Rush. Not so sure on the newer stuff.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 9/12 @ 1:21 pm #
- Jesus didn’t do communities, Jesus did Flocks. Jesus was a Flock organizer.
- If any of his flocks would have acted like the Lefturds, he’d have opened a Gyros pushcart franchise.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/12 @ 1:21 pm #
“Jesus was a community Organizer”
Wouldn’t that be Jesus was a community founder?
I mean it was a new communion, right?
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 1:23 pm #
McCain: That, that, well, that is saying that, I believe Roe v. Wade was a very bad decision, Barbara. [audience groans] I think it was a bad decision. I thought other, I thought other decisions of the United States Supreme Court were bad decisions. But I want people on the Court who, quote, “do interpret” and not just on the issue of Roe v. Wade, but on other issues.
Whoopi Goldberg: Do I have to be worried about becoming a slave again?
AGAIN?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/12 @ 1:25 pm #
“Jesus was a Flock organizer.”
Get the flock outta here!
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 9/12 @ 1:30 pm #
“Get the flock outta here!”
- No, really. Its true.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 9/12 @ 1:31 pm #
Well, there’s Stinkfist. Just saying.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/12 @ 1:37 pm #
no, no, you’re own idiocy has already taken care of it.
please, just ignore those amendment thingers. nothing to see there.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 1:38 pm #
For hf, “the Attack of the Killer Bunnies“.
Comment by Education Guy on 9/12 @ 1:39 pm #
Tool is a very good band. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise Carin.
Comment by Education Guy on 9/12 @ 1:40 pm #
Kings of the Drop D tuning they are.
Comment by Education Guy on 9/12 @ 1:51 pm #
Forty Six and 2.
Comment by RIP Ford on 9/12 @ 1:52 pm #
Pablo,
“Is it wrong of me to hope that Geraldo Rivera’s cranium gets impaled by a piece of flying rebar…?”
Close but no cigar.
Comment by Education Guy on 9/12 @ 1:54 pm #
Heh, that link has the good song, but the rest can be ignored.
Comment by urthshu on 9/12 @ 2:01 pm #
Still don’t know if I like the Upallnights:
“Let’s go to the airport and catch a random flight…Let’s got to where the governments don’t lie and everything you eat tastes like blueberry pie.”
I mean, its a nice sorta-thought for a punk/pop band.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/12 @ 2:01 pm #
Well, it would explain “Jumpin’ Jack Flash” and the whole Ted Danson thing.
Comment by Education Guy on 9/12 @ 2:04 pm #
Ok a palate cleanser for those not loving on the Tool.
Comment by RIP Ford on 9/12 @ 2:21 pm #
A Dancing Bear and Hurrican Ike
Not photoshopped and was shown live on TV a little while ago.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 2:22 pm #
Headline: “Pakistan order to kill US invaders”, The Australian, Sept 13, 2008
“…What amounts to a dramatic order to “kill the invaders”, as one senior officer put it last night, was disclosed after the commanders – who control the army’s deployments at divisional level – met at their headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi under the chairmanship of army chief and former ISI spy agency boss Ashfaq Kayani. …”
Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 2:32 pm #
Jesus was an exorciser. Pilates is an exerciser.
Comment by mojo on 9/12 @ 2:58 pm #
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Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 2:59 pm #
“Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 12:37 pm #
Whaddaya mean can’t sing to save his life? You wanted Dietrich Fischer Dieskau? This ain’t Schubert Lieder we’re talking here.”
You got that right! I love Kristofferson, and I play a lot of his songs with pleasure, but his singing makes my teeth hurt.
But I have to admit, you must to admire a man who sold a song (Help Me Make It Through The Night) that has made uncountable millions of dollars for FIFTY DOLLARS!
Willie Did the same thing with “Crazy”.
But I guess when you do something like that, you must be very hungry or out of booze.
BTW, anybody heard Toby Keith’s “I’ll never Smoke Weed With Willie Again”? It’s hilarious (and true).
My taste in music is pretty eclectic, and I have been around long enough to be in a band that does whatever the f*** we want to do. And people are knocking down the doors to hear it. Too bad this couldn’t have happened when I was twenty.
And whoever (HF?) was talking about Mac Davis, this is goofy.
Back in the early seventies I worked for Paul Leka (sp?), who at the time, was head producer for Columbia Records (Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Good Bye, Green Tamborine). My band did a tune by Mac Davis, but Paul never released it. I have a copy on tape, and when I find someone smart enough to get it on a CD, I will post it. It is a really sappy song called “A Is For America” (will it live or die?).
Mac Davis’ manager told him that he wrote well, but that he needed a “hook” in his songs.
TA -DA!
“Baby, Baby, Don’t Get Hooked On Me”. Swear to Dog.
I am a fount of musical trivia, but I don’t listen to much of the new stuff. Just old and in the way, I guess.
“Very liberating”, as O! would say.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 3:02 pm #
Oh. And mojo?
That last comment was deep!
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 3:03 pm #
Ok, LD, let’s have a “bad singer” contest, going ahead to range far and wide. I’ll bet you and I get lots of help, eh? ;-)
I’ll go first.
Loudon Wainwright III.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 9/12 @ 3:14 pm #
#126, that’s one of the funniest things I’ve seen in a long time.
Comment by JD on 9/12 @ 3:49 pm #
I kind of like Tool. I also kind of like Staind, Kinder, and John Denver, so I am not sure my tastes are a good measuring stick. Now Tommy Lee’s stick, on the other hand …
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 4:06 pm #
Well, Slart, Stinkfist can have alternative interpretations. A crass metaphor, if you will.
It is, also, an awesome song. Their newest album, 10,000 Days has some of the most beautiful songs they’ve ever done.
Comment by JD on 9/12 @ 4:10 pm #
Ms. Sarandon? Wasn’t she one of the twatwaffles that vowed to move to France or some other 3rd World country if President Bush was elected?
Comment by Carin on 9/12 @ 4:12 pm #
Like this one.
Ok. I’ll stop talking about Tool. For now. Until I can find a work it in again.
Comment by Charlie's Rigid Armadillo on 9/12 @ 4:33 pm #
Is it too late to pitch my favorite Kris song?
“To Beat the Devil”
Comment by Cowboy on 9/12 @ 4:35 pm #
Worst singer?
Neil Young.
Oh, and 138 was me, ‘cept I’m hardly rigid. It is so Friday.
Comment by Cowboy on 9/12 @ 4:37 pm #
I’m off to the Knights of Columbus for a lasagna dinner.
Yum.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 4:45 pm #
I don’t know about worst, but worst is ok if you want to.
Randy Newman.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 9/12 @ 4:49 pm #
@106 That’s a sweet link. Thanks!
Comment by Tony LaVanway on 9/12 @ 5:04 pm #
“Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?â€Â
FIRE MISSION FIRE MISSION !!!
We need support on grid Alpha Bravo Charlie.
Repeat Alpha Bravo Charlie !!!
Danger Close..
Get some Fast Movers too
Call in the A-10′S..Big J Loves the Warthogs..
Comment by Tony LaVanway on 9/12 @ 5:05 pm #
Im going to hell…
Comment by Cowboy on 9/12 @ 7:13 pm #
Michael MacDonald.
Knights of Columbus lasagna is over-rated.
Comment by mojo on 9/12 @ 7:23 pm #
;)
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 7:51 pm #
Ric’s link is getting really kind of interesting now. Austin might even end up getting really darn wet and possible really messy.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 7:54 pm #
*possibly* … I remember a t-storm that blew threw Austin with no warning a few years ago with 70 mph winds and I was stuck at the University and it came from nowhere and it turned day into night and it was like the end of the world and then it was over and everything was quiet like you’d never heard there before
Comment by happyfeet on 9/12 @ 7:55 pm #
*through* … jeez. Time for snoozle pills I think … all I ate today was donuts and aloo chat and I think that was probably unwise
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 7:59 pm #
Here’s an infrared satellite loop that gives a good overview of the whole storm.
What a monster!
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 8:40 pm #
Sdferr,
Your on.
I can’t remember her name, but the woman who did “We’ll Sing In The Sunshine”" has got to be the worst singer I ever heard. The whole song is flat! Too bad she did it way back when. There is now an electronic device that will put your singing in tune automatically. Just ask Ashley Simpson (who I think deserves “place” in the worst singer ever derby)
And, as far as the worst lead guitar solo ever, “Taking Care Of Business” takes the cake. That whole solo is at least a quarter note flat. I didn’t play it, but every time I hear it, I am embarrassed for whoever did. I would never let something as bad as that leave the studio. In fact, I would have insisted that something that atrocious be erased IMMEDIATLEY!
OK. Your turn…
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 8:44 pm #
“Comment by Cowboy on 9/12 @ 7:13 pm #
Michael MacDonald.”
Wow! Forgot about him.
He sings like one of his parents is a goat.
Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 8:57 pm #
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UoH9zP_n_g0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqCpvzXGTE
What the hell was up with those dudes?
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 8:59 pm #
Clint Eastwood.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 9:01 pm #
Those two youtubes were straight up torture, B Moe. Human Rights Watch it! is coming for you.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 9:08 pm #
“Comment by Cowboy on 9/12 @ 4:35 pm #
Worst singer?
Neil Young.”
Well, I don’t know if he’s the worst, but he is in the top ten.
Way back, years ago, I went to see him at the Boston Tea Party, and in the middle of his set, he had a seizure.
Interesting. But it kinda ruined the rest of his set. My favorite part was when he was singing “Sugar Mountain, and got pissed because people were talking loudly. So, he said: “If you don’t all shut up, I will sing all three hundred verses of this song”. Very funny…
But I liked the thing Howard Stern did about him, back when Howard was on NBC radio. It was an advertisement for “Neil Young’s Cat Sings Neil Young”. It was hilarious.
M-e-o-w m-e-o-w myow myow myow myow myow (Down By The River).
But I have to say, Neil Young used to be one of my favorite songwriters.
Unfortunately, he has become a ham fisted, beat you-over-the-head-with-a-sledge-hammer asshole in his dotage. I think that he has lost his nuance. And his fucking elitist mind.
Buffalo Best was one of the greatest bands ever, because of the tension between Young and Stills. These two used to have fist fights on stage.
It made for great music. A whole lot of Buffalo-Springfields songs were Stills and Young trying to cut each other. It makes their music even more fun to listen to when you know that a lot of their songs are put downs of each other.
Trivia, to be sure. But, hey…
What a GREAT band!
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 9:15 pm #
“Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 8:59 pm #
Clint Eastwood.”
I’m going to have to think long and hard to beat that!
Give me a while, and I will either beat that (I’m not sure that is even possible!), or concede.
Back soon…
Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 9:16 pm #
Neal did a solo tour in the early nineties that I didn’t get to see live, but I heard some board tapes and saw a couple of videos that were amazing. He played guitar some, but he also did some on the banjo and he had a big ass pipe organ he hauled around. He did a version of “Hurricane” on that organ that made my hair stand on end.
Found it.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HE5pe8LUodQ
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 9:19 pm #
You should go with Terry Bradshaw, LD. Definitely, go with Bradshaw.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 9:26 pm #
Sdferr,
OK. I’ve thought about it, and there are two “possibles” here.
The first is Ashley Simpson, and the second is Janis Joplin.
I think Joplin could at least tie Clint Eastwood;. I know she burned like a super nova, but I saw her many times, and as far as being a “singer”, she sucked.
But nobody cared because she had an incredible stage presence. I know I am upsetting a lot of people, but Joplin really was not a good singer. In fact, she couldn’t sing to save her life. Her incredible energy is what she thrived on.
It’s like the Stones.
I have seen them more than a few times, and sometimes they were amazing, and sometimes they sucked a fat dick.
But nobody seemed to notice when they sucked, because they are “THE STONES”! That’s what I like about people who come to hear music. Most of them don’t hear anything but what they want to hear. As long as they can “flick their Bic”, they are happy.
But you’re right. Eastwood is hard to beat for suck.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/12 @ 9:30 pm #
Terry Bradshaw?
I never heard him sing, but it sounds pretty scary.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 9:37 pm #
LD, please listen to this (hopefully you haven’t heard it before), it’s cheating, I know, but it is still one of the funniest things I’ve every heard. Jonathan and Darleen
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 9:42 pm #
Case closed.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 9:48 pm #
You got one there SBP, very, very bad, but I’m not sure it would qualify as singing even. More like high pitched shouting theatrical emoting business.
Comment by dicentra on 9/12 @ 10:45 pm #
Pat Gray (subbing for Glenn Beck) wondered that if Obama is Jesus and Sarah is Pilate (or “Pontius Palin,” as Rush called her), does that mean that Palin is going to crucify Obama?
Just askin’
Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 11:00 pm #
Sdferr that was brilliant! That version of Stayin’ Alive had me crying, and I Am Woman is nearly as good.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/12 @ 11:05 pm #
Have you heard her for reals stuff, B Moe? Some of it is really quite good. This one for instance.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/13 @ 1:03 am #
Wing! or from earlier, Mrs. Miller RTO usually gripes when I do my impression of here.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/13 @ 1:06 am #
oh, here’s a Mrs. Miller tune I like even better, she gets into the stratosphere ocassionally.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/13 @ 4:27 am #
#24.
Well, Keyser, that sure was some fun to read.
I only have one question.
What?
Comment by The Lost Dog (or Lost God, maybe?) on 9/13 @ 4:59 am #
“LD, please listen to this (hopefully you haven’t heard it before), it’s cheating, I know, but it is still one of the funniest things I’ve every heard. Jonathan and Darleen”
HOLY SHIT!
I was gonna say that Burt Reynolds was at least a tie for Clint Eastwood, but you just knocked it out of the park.
I have never heard vomit recorded before I heard John and Darleen.
You win – unless someone can top that! And that would be a tall order.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 9/13 @ 5:04 am #
SBP,
Whoooeee!
Shatner is embarrassing to listen to, but I couldn’t quite call him a singer.
That IS funny, though.
Comment by The Lost Dogj on 9/13 @ 5:14 am #
maggie,
I have to admit, Mrs. Miller is right up there on teh suck list. I can see why RTO might gripe when you do an impression of her. Unfortunately, now that I have experienced her music, I am going to have to work on my own impression of her.
She is just too good to let slip through my fingers.
Comment by Carin on 9/13 @ 5:34 am #
I think Mick from the stones prolly ranks right up there as one of the worst singers. He gets extra credit because his band is so big.
I mean, would you want to stand next to him in church?
Comment by Obersti on 9/13 @ 7:46 am #
Mizzzz Saranwrap is amazing. She has the acting ability to make a simple and funny movie about baseball SUCK.
If b’HO=Jesus why don’t we crucify him and see if he arises on the third day. If he does, I’ll consider not voting against him.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/13 @ 8:08 am #
Thanks Maggie, (unless the helpless stupid smile I’ve got on my face freezes there, in which case I’m coming after you) that goes in the keeper stack.
You know it really does make one pause to think of all the great comedic talent going to waste out there in the world.
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 9/13 @ 8:36 am #
Probably too late to this as Fridays are my worst work day.
LD said. “But you’re right. Eastwood is hard to beat for suck.”
I’d put Shatner and Nimoy right up there too.
To me bad singing isn’t the technique but the inability to grab an audience and move them. Music is about emotion and should be able to move people.
That’s why I love Janis and Dylan along with many many other singers that may not sing beautifully but do move me.
Comment by BJTexs on 9/13 @ 8:43 am #
Leonard Cohen. AAAIIIIIEEEEE!!!
Comment by BJTexs on 9/13 @ 8:52 am #
This is late I know BMoe’s out there.
I started in rock but gradually moved to Folk as Realized that’s where my meager talents at at least a small presence. Thus Simon and Garfunkel were a big influence (along with James Taylor, John Prine, Dylan, etc.)
The first reunion tour came to an open air theater in Lawrence, Mass. I was fired up to finally get a chance to swee the two of them togther live.
It. Was. A. Horror. Show.
Neither of them could consistently sing on pitch but Garfunkel was just painful. His version of “Bridge Over Troubled Waters” could be used as an interrogation technique. One and a half hours of ear bleeding hideous.
I’ve never recovered.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/14 @ 11:02 am #
For reasons I cannot fathom, Tom Brokaw and the Meet the Press crew decided to put a campaign button on full screen this morning during an interview with Rudy Giuliani (who, I now believe, is the US’s preeminent rhetorical genius, such a calm, cutting and slashing performance did he give dismantling every single slanted Obama offering Brokaw could muster, really, it was a tour de force).
The button was displayed in the course of the question (paraphrased here) “Didn’t you, Mayor Giuliani, and didn’t Gov. Palin also, go over the line when you made sport of Barack Obama’s community organizer background in your addresses to the Republican convention? Isn’t being a community organizer a noble pursuit, a far better pursuit than going straight from an Ivy League school into a job on Wall Street?”
The button read:
Attention Sarah Palin –
Jesus was a Community Organizer
Pontius Pilate was a Governor
The political left (and I include the major media with them) stand today as their own worst enemies. They resemble nothing so much as teenage self-cutters, uncontrollably inflicting pain after loss after pain upon themselves.
I wish they would stop.
Comment by Sdferr on 9/14 @ 11:24 am #
The webcast is available here, the exchange begins at minute 18:32.
Here is the transcript of the entire exchange from NBC News:
[begins with videotape of Giuliani at Rep. Convention]
MAYOR GIULIANI: On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What?
Maybe this is the first problem on the resume. He worked as a community organizer. He immersed himself in Chicago machine politics.
(End videotape)
MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama, who had an Ivy-league education and could’ve gone to Wall Street, went back to Chicago on the South Side. As you know, his supporters have defended him for working with poor families, many of whom lost their jobs when the Gary steel mills closed. In that mocking fashion, it seemed to a lot of people that you were belittling the role of a community organizer, and it led to this button. It was addressed to Senator Palin, because she also talked about it. “Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.” In retrospect, do you think you had too much sport with his role as community organizer, Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR GIULIANI: No. No. I think he had too, too little of a record of a community organizer. The point is that Senator Obama’s record as a community organizer is a very sparse one, as is his record as a state senator. Education Week said that he basically had no record on education, which is why maybe Senator McCain’s idea of an accomplishment in that ad goes a little bit too far.
What I was talking about is how little a record he had, how so, how so many of those programs have failed, how little it’s been really looked at by the media. This is–and also, the group that recruited him was a Saul Alinsky group that has all kinds of questions with regard to their outlook on the economy, their outlook on capitalism. I think it’s at the core of Senator Obama’s belief that the tax system should be used for a redistribution of wealth, rather than really for gaining revenues for the country. When, when Senator Obama was asked about his increase in capital gains tax and was told that if he does that, he would actually deprive the federal government of revenues, his answer was, “Well, it’s only fair.” Which gets you to a very core Saul Alinsky kind of almost socialist notion that it should be used for redistribution of wealth.
I think what we haven’t done adequately in this, in this campaign, meaning Republicans, is maybe some of the emphasis on some of these other issues, it should be on the fact that Senator Obama is the most left-wing candidate the Democratic Party has ever had, the most liberal member of the Senate, much more liberal than Senator Schumer, than you just had on. And his running mate, Senator Biden, is the third most liberal member of the Senate. So these are the things we’re talking about. And the community organizer thing was consistent with that kind of very left-wing approach. Sure community organizers do good work, and some don’t do very good work. Just like lawyers, everybody else. The question is what kind of work did, did Barack Obama do and how effective was it long-term? A lot of those housing projects failed.
MR. BROKAW: Mr. Mayor, among others, Warren Buffett is a supporter of Barack Obama’s, and he thinks that there can be an increase in the capital gains tax without doing any long-term damage to the economy. And I think it would be probably a pretty big reach to describe him as a Saul Alinsky kind of economist.
MAYOR GIULIANI: It would be, and everybody has all different kinds of people that agree with you or disagree with you. And, and, and be very careful, Tom. What you said is he doesn’t believe it’ll do damage to the economy. Here’s the point that I made. The point that I made is we have twice increased the capital gains tax. So if this is just opinion, it’s fact and reality. Both times, it deprived the government of revenue. In other words, the government got less revenue. And that, that is what would happen right now. And at a time in which Barack Obama wants to fund trillions of dollars in government programs, I have to believe that he’d want to look for more revenue, rather than less revenue. So what that says to me is that his real concept of taxation is to be used as a redistribution of wealth. There may be other reasons why people support him, but they should be pretty clear on that.
Comment by ushie on 9/14 @ 11:31 am #
The left may as well get in a warm bath and open up their wrists at this point.
Keef singing “Little T & A” makes me want to smack my head against a wall.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/14 @ 11:43 am #
Billionaires for Baracky! I’m George Soros and I approve this message.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 9/14 @ 11:53 am #
You know what’s stupid? When a candidate gets up and says something on camera, and then, practically without taking a breath, says “I’m ____, and I approve this message”.
Yeah, we figured that out. If someone was holding your family hostage so you’d say what you said in the message part, they’d make you say the approve-this-message part, too.