First, Obama plays the race card again
Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know.
Leave aside yet another Barry gaffe, this time about the many dollar bills that bear the faces of people who were not presidents, kind of to be expected in the rush of the audacity of the declaration that “nobody” anywhere in anyway can think that those ugly Republicans are up to any good, Barry’s own campaign frankly admits
Obama aides said the candidate’s remarks were no different from applause lines he has used for months. At a mid-June fundraiser in Jacksonville, Fla., for instance, Obama said: “They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?’
This “to criticize or joke about Me, you must be racist” meme that has been a subtle undercurrent in the ostensible post-racialist twaddle Camp Obama has peddled from the beginning is getting just a bit too much publicity. Enter, stage left, Barry’s star power peer, Ludacris releasing a particularly loathsome rap …
paint the White House black and I’m sure that’s got ‘em terrified
McCain don’t belong in ANY chair unless he’s paralyzed
… reinforcing the only thing the Dems have to run on … White people are ‘terrified’ of a black president and McCain is teh OLD!!!!1!1!!
This also conveniently provides a wonderful opportunity for Camp Obama to “denounce” Ludacris.
Ludacris’ lyrics get repeated, Barry gets the trifecta of keeping McCain’s age in the spotlight, his own race card off the table and a chance to channel Claude Rains and be shocked, SHOCKED by the rapper’s crudeness. A stance that gets Practically Perfect Barry lots of sympathetic and [even more] admiring press for his “Sister Soulja” moment.
If you think this moment wasn’t contrived, I have some nice ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
Comment by thorinichka popolov on 8/1 @ 4:02 am #
Is that Obama’s Veep? Flava Flav is going to be heartbroken.
Comment by Snooper on 8/1 @ 4:16 am #
Most excellent post as usual.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 4:41 am #
Snooper, go back to watching Hanna Montana re-runs and bitterly clinging to yourself.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 4:57 am #
Where did you pull that remark from thor?
Comment by rjvtx on 8/1 @ 5:00 am #
Very, very nice, Darleen. Thanks.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/1 @ 5:04 am #
Good gracious, it’s only August. Will we have Jacksonj and Sharpton as the point men for dissecting and identifying all negative ads as “racist” and “fear mongering?” Maybe Obama’s campaign can put up a “hate thermometer” on their website, updated daily with new incidents of campaign bias.
The way this guy has successfully pimped both race and slavery (original sin) causes me to request that when our government apologizes for the institution they expressly exclude Barack.
Harsh, I know, but thor doesn’t seem to mind if, like sashal, the election of the empty suit Chicago machine politician lier expunges the hated neocon. Just out of curiousity, thor, what’s your reaction to Ludacris’ rap about McCain? While I’m sure nishi is cackling like the Wicked Witch about it I was just curious as to whether or not you had anything to say.
Other than, you know, the usual imputing of racist motivations in those who criticize Obama.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 5:43 am #
Wanna bet Barracky doesn’t throw Ludacris under that bus? Even in his denunciation, he made sure that his great talent was mentioned.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 5:43 am #
Need I point out how racist y’all are? I mean, the code words, they practically jump off the page. The? They? He? And? Racist code words.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 5:46 am #
Is Puff Daddy still on the bus after “Obama or die”?
Comment by alppuccino on 8/1 @ 5:47 am #
Even in his denunciation, he made sure that his great talent was mentioned.
What Carin? You think rhyming “terrified” and “paralyzed” just happens?
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 5:47 am #
Those PUMAs are just pissed Barracky called Hill a bitch. But, you know, that’s just how “we” speak. At least that was the excuse I read over at HuffPo.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 5:49 am #
Al, you are right. Matter-of-fact I may have to actually listen to the ditty to see how that awesome feat is accomplished.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 5:51 am #
If some Country singer had the lyrics Keep the white house “white” in an ode to McCain, do you think the denunciation would include a nod to the artist’s great talent?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 5:54 am #
Carin Obama called her a b#tch? I thought it was this rapper guy.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 5:57 am #
No, sorry. Lucadris did it. I’m early in my cups (of coffee) this morn.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 5:58 am #
I clicked on Snooper.
I don’t think Obama is a Chicago empty suit. I don’t think McCain is a neo-con. I like both men. Both seem like rational politicians who love and respect their country. I don’t see a good/bad binary of one or the other, rather, I see two people with different ideas, nothing wrong with that.
Ludacris? He’s a goofy rap entertainer. Obama can no more control Ludacris and McCain can control Snooper up there. Ludacris, Sheryl Crow, Kanye West and a bunch of others should stick to their art, or lack of it, imho.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 6:00 am #
..Ludacris than McCain..
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 6:03 am #
I don’t think Obama is a Chicago empty suit.
Than please enlighten us as to what he’s done. Besides community organizing, voting “present”, or writing books about himself. Personally, I’m skeptical of anyone whose entire life is devoted to padding a resume to go into politics.
I’ve got Kwame as a perfect example as to why that’s a very bad idea.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 6:07 am #
It sounds like you’ve formed your own opinion, Carin. I’m certain if you were genuine in your concern for pre-Presidential campaign accomplishments you must’a voted for Al Gore. I didn’t.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 6:11 am #
I’m not saying I would vote for O! – I’m specifically addressing your denial that he’s an empty suit. He stands for a list of things (which, for that alone I wouldn’t vote for him), but next one looks to see what “prepares” him for the awesome responsibility of office. I see … nothing.
Michigan’s got TWO (fucking) retards running things, who have NO idea what they are doing and cannot lead. Jenny can’t lead because she doesn’t have a CLUE how to do it, and Kwame can’t lead because he doesn’t have the morality to do what’s right and has put his own personal goals ahead of everything else.
If anyone, when they were running, had evaluated whether EITHER of them had anything that proved that they were qualified to handle office (neither did) than perhaps Michigan and Detroit wouldn’t be as fucked.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 6:17 am #
You see nothing. I see something. Art and politics are like that sometimes.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 6:17 am #
I don’t know why Sen. Obama would want to be president of such a hateful, racist, mean, country like this one. He must really like us to think that he can change our hateful, racist mean ways.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 6:19 am #
“Change you can believe in!”
Something like that.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 6:20 am #
Ah, yes. Art and politics. The willing suspension of disbelief.
Say it’s only a paper moon,
Sailing over a cardboard sea.
But it wouldn’t be make-believe
If you believed in me.
Yes, it’s only a canvas sky,
Hanging over a muslin tree.
But it wouldn’t be make-believe
If you believed in me.
Without your love,
It’s a honky-tonk parade.
Without your love,
It’s a melody played in a penny arcade.
It’s a Barnum and Bailey world
Just as phony as it can be
But it wouldn’t be make-believe
If you believed in me.
Sing it!
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 6:20 am #
Yes, but one of us is right. And the other is wrong.
Comment by B Moe on 8/1 @ 6:21 am #
You see nothing. I see something.
He is just way too cool to try to discuss it. Which makes me wonder why he keeps posting about it.
Comment by bergerbilder on 8/1 @ 6:21 am #
Personally, I think a prarie dog has more talent than Ludacris.
/Don’t bother, I denounce myself.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 6:22 am #
Thor, people voted for Kwame because he was “hip-hop” and young. Which is about as substantial as voting because someone stands for “hope and change.”
Comment by Neo on 8/1 @ 6:24 am #
Expect to see the Gallup numbers showing McCain in a clear tie or better today. The MSM has invested too much to let their investment go down the tubes based on something as trival as the “facts.â€Â
McCain really seems to have this snake by the tail. With the “bare-knuckle†support of the NYTimes being necessary to attempt to stop the hemeroging, it’s obvious that McCain has hit the jugular of Campaign Obama.
And this racist claim is just so bogus to not be believed. The only campaign who even mentioned race until the McCain campaign comments yesterday was .. you guessed it .. the Obama campaign, who kept referring to racial stereotypes of whites.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 6:28 am #
Carin:
When Jennifer Granholm was running for governor, I remember one of the Detroit News’ columnists, Laura Berman, getting all excited and encouraging people to vote for granholm because she would be the first woman governor. That was it, the sole reason that Berman saw to elect a governor.
Voting for anyone based on such irrelevant criteria as that person’s type of genetalia or the color of that person’s skin is about as vapid a reason as it gets. Doing so does have one benefit, though – it lets everyone else know how shallow that voter is and how trustworthy is his judgment.
Comment by alppuccino on 8/1 @ 6:29 am #
If Grand Master J Mick C would just come out with a rap of his own, this whole thing could finally be put behind us:
With pre-emptive apologies to Faith No More.
Can you drill it ,refine it, have it today?
If you can’t, then it doesn’t matter anyway
You will never understand it cuz your not Harvard class
And inflating your tires gets you way more gas
I’m so cool, I’m so hip, I’m alright
I’m so groovy, I’m outta sight
You can’t touch me, I’m teflon, my 3-pointer is sweet
But it makes no difference cuz I’ll knock you off your feet
You want it all but you can’t have it
They’ll say my face should cause you panic.
–I just rhymed “have it” and “panic”. Feel my heat Ludacris.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 6:30 am #
Neo – there is a saying that you know you are over the target when you start taking flak.
Comment by E. Nough on 8/1 @ 6:31 am #
Meanwhile, Hollywood resents McCain’s mocking of a vacuous but handsome celebrity. Oh, sorry, I mean rock star. Also this:
Heh. They just can’t help it, can they. The McCain campaign might as well buy the TV space now: this is going to be some grade-A footage.
Comment by Ric Locke on 8/1 @ 6:35 am #
thor, you appear not to have had your third drink yet, and Karl isn’t here to irritate you, so you’re being coherent. That being the case, I have a question: what qualifications do you see in Obama?
Now, I’m not a big one for qualifications in the first place. Serving in a major political office requires a completely different skill set from the ordinary one(s), and I’ve been known to suggest that we’d get a better set of politicians if they were selected at random. To improve on that, I would suggest that we allow people to check a box on their income tax return to say they were willing to serve — and select politicians at random from those who don’t volunteer.
But you appear to believe in qualifications, and to see something in Obama’s background that qualifies. What is it? The man’s never won a contested election; every project he’s ever been associated with has resulted in disaster for its putative beneficiaries but generated lots of graft, which I suppose is a “qualification” for Chicago politics; his only accomplishment is his own self-aggrandizement. What do you see as Obama’s substantive qualifications for office?
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Education Guy on 8/1 @ 6:40 am #
Obama should be careful about going for the race card too often, as I imagine the sort of votes he needs now won’t much like hearing that the reason they may disagree with some of his policy suggestions is due to the fact that they are terrified of his blackness. Some of them are likely to start wondering if that is going to be his response to every criticism should he get elected. I don’t suspect the American citizen is so stupid as to not notice that were there the sort of racism he seems to find around every corner, that he would have risen to being one of the 2 possible choices for the position of the most powerful man in the world.
Comment by Neo on 8/1 @ 6:52 am #
Ouch! Americans show that they don’t believe Obama on “the surge.”
Comment by Log Cabin on 8/1 @ 6:52 am #
Neither Thor nor any other Obama backers can list any accomplishments or qualifications of the annointed one. It’s about sticking it to republicans and/or expunging white guilt. period.
They want to be able to say, “look how cool and open minded I am, I voted for the brother! No racism here, no sir!”
One can’t help but note how defensive and angry O! supporters become when pressed for details on the candidate’s resume.
Comment by serr8d on 8/1 @ 6:54 am #
Glenn Beck did a hilarious ‘reading’ of Ludacris’ c Rap yesterday. Unfortunately, only a transcript is available to non-subscribers (a shame, because that’s something I’d like to hear again).
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 6:55 am #
I don’t think Obama is a Chicago empty suit. I don’t think McCain is a neo-con. I like both men. Both seem like rational politicians who love and respect their country. I don’t see a good/bad binary of one or the other, rather, I see two people with different ideas, nothing wrong with that.
I am with Thor on this. There is so much interesting pathos that is manifested in each and every (increasingly more hysterical and shrill) post about Obama on PW. He is completely the opposite of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, yet he has been branded as a race hustling pimp – he can’t speak about his race without someone “shaking with rage”. That, combined with the virulent, vicious anger coming out of this place at the idea of the United States apologizing for participating in slavery – is tragic and deeply disappointing to me.
But you appear to believe in qualifications, and to see something in Obama’s background that qualifies. What is it? The man’s never won a contested election; every project he’s ever been associated with has resulted in disaster for its putative beneficiaries but generated lots of graft, which I suppose is a “qualification†for Chicago politics; his only accomplishment is his own self-aggrandizement. What do you see as Obama’s substantive qualifications for office?
And this is different from any other polician how? This is different from JFK how? Nevermind, I already know the answer to that. Don’t bother. Continue to delude yourselves about your “concerns”, friends. I can’t watch anymore. It makes me feel all eeeeiiicky.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 6:55 am #
Carin, Ric, B Moe, if you don’t think Barack Obama is qualified to be President, I’m OK with that. I think he has a chance to win without the benefit of your votes.
Barack Obama was, evidently, a good student. He was admitted to and graduated from Columbia. Shrtly thereafter he moved to Chicago and learned the wily ways of inner-city politics before attending Harvard Law. He became President of Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. He spent roughly ten years in state of Illinois political offices before winning a seat in the Senate by the largest margin in Illinois history.
The rest is history, as they say, and when they say that they’re describing his Presidential primary upset of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Obama’s victory was likely the greatest upset in American Presidential primary history.
He is who he is. His accomplishments are what they are. He’ll win or lose based on if he wins enough votes in the electoral college. He is young. He’s not the most experienced. But anyone who says Barack Obama is not accomplished or experienced to a degree is fuckin’ deluded.
I have to be somewhere in an hour. I must sell ten servers this month so, as my girlfriend says, we can live and do things like normal people live and do, and we all know what that means… must make dollar because baby she want new shoes.
Comment by alppuccino on 8/1 @ 6:55 am #
Neither Thor nor any other Obama backers can list any accomplishments or qualifications of the annointed one.
Uh 3-pointer, in front of the troops, first try, swish? Ring a bell?
Nothing further.
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 6:58 am #
Obama can no more control Ludacris and McCain can control Snooper up there
McCain had a private meeting with Snooper, stated he was a big fan of Snooper and had Snooper’s super star rap stuff on his iPod and was photographed with Snooper?
Who knew?
Comment by B Moe on 8/1 @ 6:58 am #
…his only accomplishment is his own self-aggrandizement.
I can see where that may impress thor more than the rest of us, Ric.
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 7:01 am #
thor
and again, I think this whole Obama being “shocked” by Ludacris is calculated and planned. Just like all the hooha over Michelle Obama being named “best dressed” by Vanity Fair.
This is definitely the Brangelinization of the Obamas.
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 8/1 @ 7:07 am #
Lisa: “He is completely the opposite of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, yet he has been branded as a race hustling pimp – he can’t speak about his race without someone “shaking with rageâ€Â.”
No, Lisa. It is simply that he cannot claim to be a racially-transcendent candidate and then play the race card without being called on his hypocrisy.
Lisa: “That, combined with the virulent, vicious anger coming out of this place at the idea of the United States apologizing for participating in slavery – is tragic and deeply disappointing to me. ”
“Virulent, vicious anger?” What would disturb you more, Lisa — an old woman shaking her finger at you? Even you admit that almost no one cares about the matter — if no one cares and the mischief that would follow being fairly obvious, why bother?
thor: “Barack Obama was, evidently, a good student. He was admitted to and graduated from Columbia.”
Not that impressive, particularly by your own standard — one could point out, using your argument, that Bush was a good student, having been admitted to and graduated from Yale and Harvard.
thor: “He spent roughly ten years in state of Illinois political offices before winning a seat in the Senate by the largest margin in Illinois history. ”
He did almost nothing whilst in state of Illinois political offices, voting “present” much of the time. That “largest margin in Illinois history” was achieved against a political tomato-can — a carpet bagging last minute replacement candidate with no local ties.
thor: “He is who he is.”
He is who he has to be, playing the man of the people in the streets of Chicago, the coastal elitist when before San Francisco donors, etc.
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 7:11 am #
Lisa
I’m not hysterical… I am, in fact, very disappointed. Before I knew anything about Obama I was very curious and pretty hopeful. I, indeed, wanted to see some talent in the next generation that will be coming up.
I don’t doubt Barry’s love of country, I just question what kind of America he DOES love? Barry specifically disses McCain and Bush’s love of country “they don’t care about the challenges”, which is underlined by Harry Reid’s “Republicans want to deny power to old people and disabled people”. Barry has outlined a vision of America that resembles authoritarian Europe, not American values of liberty, self-sufficiency, charity and optimism.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 7:15 am #
OK Darleen, and you know how you and I agreed on the CPS and the Texas thing, well, we don’t agree this time. No Biggie Smalls, Smalls no Biggie, err, if/then you don’t stop rockin’ to the bang-bang boogie said upchuck the boogie to the rthyme of the boogity beat.
I have no idea why you’d think Obama has time to plot a Ludacris moment, really, because he seems sort’a busy for that, if you’re asking me.
Alp, he’s a prime-time PTP’er!
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 7:16 am #
That, combined with the virulent, vicious anger coming out of this place at the idea of the United States apologizing for participating in slavery
Jaysus fucking christ. It wasn’t an apology for slavery that ticked me off … it was the perpetuation of LIES in such a naked mercernary manner by Cohen(D) in a desperate move to keep his seat in an election.
It’s like if I question the motives of Nannystaters to make public schools have 12 hr days, offer all meals, medical care, etc and you come back and say “You hates teh children!”
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 7:18 am #
thor
Does you honestly believe that a Chicago bred politician leaves anything in his/her campaign to chance?
Why do you think O! rarely goes off script or off teleprompter?
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 7:18 am #
I agree that “accomplishments” or “qualifications” matter little to those of us who have a consistent political philosophy. If Obama had any actual accomplishments or experience to boast of, I still would not vote for him, as I think he is wrong on every single issue and I think his life-long associations pretty clearly demonstrate that he is an extreme left winger / black liberation theology guy.
However, I am interested in the idea that some of you (Lisa, Thor) claim he has “qualifications” or “experience”. Would you at least admit that if you were deciding purely on “experience” or “qaulifications” then you would vote for McCain? I’m not saying that you should vote for McCain, as I understand you are leftists (Lisa – just admit it to yourself, you are) and you want to further a leftist ideology. I don’t agree with that, but that is a respectable decision.
Thor seems to claim that Obama is qaulified b/c:
1 – he was a “good” student (Has he released his grades from any school yet – I was under the impression that those are being kept a big secret);
2 – He got into Harvard law (again, has he released his LSAT score or his H.S. grades? Just curious if he actually “earned” his admittance versus being an affirmative action admittance)
3 – He was editor of the Harvard Law Review (it is my understanding that he neither wrote on the review or graded on the reveiw (and I don’t beleive he has released his Harvard grades. How exactly did he get on the review? Was it, again, affirmative action?)
4 – He was elected editor of the Harvard Law Review. I will admit he appears to be pretty good at winning elections. Not sure if being a good candidate is an actual “qaulification” such as we are discussing here.
5 – he was a politician in “wily” Chicago. That is true, but please point to anything he did as a State Senator that serves as a “qaulification”. What big ideas did he push? What big legislation did he author and get enacted? What did he actually do?
6 – he won the primary. Again, I admit that this is impressive. But, if we are treating winning campaigns as, in itself, being a “qaulification” to be president, McCain has won many more than Obama and many more important campaigns (# of times for U.S. Senate).
Obama does not have any experience in self-sacrafice, in the military, in business. His record does not demonstrate any political courage or big ideas. If you are truly claiming “good grades”, graduating from a “good school” and winning a state election are grand qualifications and/or experience to be president, then I truly am baffled.
Now, if you say that you don’t care about qualifications and/or experience, that you want someone who you agree with politically – that I can understand and respect. Indeed, I think most people don’t base their vote on “qualificaitons” or “experience” or else Bill Clinton would never have beat Bush I. Jimmy Carter would never have defeated Ford. JFK would never have defeated Nixon. Bush II would not have defeated Gore.
Now, if both candidates had pretty much the exact same views and philosophy, then “experience” and “qualifications” would probably be the main issue. but, they don’t – which is really the whole point of elections.
But, to consistently claim that Obama has as much or more “experience” or “qualificaitons” as McCain is simply not credible. And, again, I dont’ really think that matters. I just don’t understand the knee-jerk reaction to claim that Obama has some great experience that will make him a great president. It just doesn’t strike me as factually credible. Now, that isn’t to say that he might surprise all of us on the right and end up being a great president (I, of course, would be very surprised), but I just find it hard to believe that anyone could look at his resume and jump to that conclusion.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 7:18 am #
I will hate teh children enough for both of us Darleen so don’t feel bad.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 7:21 am #
Sen. Obama was a good student in undergrad and in law school; he has learned local politics and was elected to the state legislature and the US Senate.
That’s it? Dan Quayle’s resume was thicker.
Comment by Diane Chambers on 8/1 @ 7:22 am #
…and graduated magna cum laude.
He couldn’t make summa?
Comment by B Moe on 8/1 @ 7:23 am #
Does you honestly believe that a Chicago bred politician leaves anything in his/her campaign to chance?
A Chicago bred politician whose campaign manager is a documentary film-maker and whose campaign recently complained about “unauthorized” press stories.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 7:23 am #
Lisa, did you not see the two quotes given by Darleen? Who is mentioning race? He’s supposed to be transcendent. He’s not. You’ll vote for him due to his policy prescriptions, which of course is fine as you agree with most of them. But, pointing out that he’s a charlatan, and there is reams of evidence of this, is not wrong or reichwing propaganda. He’s your typical politician. To say he isn’t Jesse or Al is hardly an endorsement of the man.
As for Thor’s mancrush? C’est La Vie. I denounce myself for speaking french.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 7:25 am #
OI – Francophobe.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 7:26 am #
“6 – he won the primary. Again, I admit that this is impressive”
I’m not sure how impressive it was to beat Hillary Clinton. A woman loathed by nearly half of the electorate.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 7:28 am #
I banged a french chick, once, JD. I love them.
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 7:28 am #
Thor,
now what you hear is not a test–i’m rappin to the beat
and me, the groove, and my friends are gonna try to move your feet
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 7:31 am #
I’m not sure how impressive it was to beat Hillary Clinton. A woman loathed by nearly half of the electorate.
yes, but the 1/2 that loaths her was not voting in that primary. Before the primary began, who really thought that she would lose? Or that if she did lose, it would be to the person with the lightest resume in the primary race?
Comment by alppuccino on 8/1 @ 7:32 am #
I frenched a Bangor chick. Partial credit?
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 7:34 am #
Many Africans came to America in a chained heap of human flesh. They were subsequently chained to a plow and treated and traded like farm animals. Only after many decades after the civil war had passed, a war that threatened our country’s existence like no other, were African-Americans granted and afforded full legal rights as all other American citizens had been granted before them.
That is a scar on our nation that only time, trust and forgiveness can heal. It is a scar like none other. No matter who says what, Lisa, every good American is sorry for the past transgressions of the few who perpetrated that crime against humanity in the name of this country. I will not fingers or blame others. This country owes and gives a great deal of sympathy and thought to slavery all the horrible repercussions of slavery.
Never again, in our name. To understand and recognize the greatest of all sacrifices that this particular group of immigrants gave to America, and all their talents since witnessed, I, for one, am glad as many African-Americans can now refer to themselves Americans with a pride like no other group can. Africans gave and sacrificed more as a group. Period. They should have never had to.
Comment by alppuccino on 8/1 @ 7:38 am #
thor, that was well said. But I can’t help but picture you in a dark bar with Lisa’s hand gently clasped between your fingers and then you end your soliloquy with “now whattya say we get outta here?”
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 7:40 am #
Jackie Robinson stole home plate, twice! I have to make like Jackie and run.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 7:40 am #
The truth should be enough, for any solid candidate, idea, or proposal.
Make stuff up, and you weaken your case.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 7:41 am #
ostentatiousness
Comment by Matt, Esq. on 8/1 @ 7:42 am #
*“He is who he is.â€Â*
Well, that’s the problem – knee deep in this election cycle and we don’t know who he is, mostly because his entire platform is fluid. His incredibly ridiculous comments about the surge are an example- he was against the surge and even though its now working, he was still against it- he’s trying to straddle the fence and the press is covering for him (covering for him ? They’ve practically annoited him president of the world).
Popularity does not qualify you to be a good president. Leadership requires you take a position and defend that position. Obama has yet to do that.
Comment by Jeffrey Dahmer on 8/1 @ 7:43 am #
I once french fried a chick from Spread Eagle WI. Does that count?
OK fine, it was a young Asian dude from Milwaukee. Whatever.
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 8/1 @ 7:46 am #
“That ‘largest margin in Illinois history’ was achieved against a political tomato-can  a carpet bagging last minute replacement candidate with no local ties.”
To call Alan Keyes a tomato can is an insult to tomato cans.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 7:51 am #
This should be the last word on the “race card
“:
I am so mad at his “O” ness that I don’t know what to do. Just imagine, this Negro has had a race card all along and keeping it to himself. Please, please, please, “O” man, if you have a race card could you tell the field where to get one? I could really use that bitch.
Now stop being selfish. I know you used yours to get into Columbia, and to Harvard Law. And, you used it to become Editor of the Law Review no less. But you didn’t stop there; you got into the exclusive club of 100 white men (otherwise known as the U.S. Senate), and now you want to use your card to become the leader of the free world. Wow! What a card you must have. What did Mr. Morton’s boy say? That you pulled it from the “bottom of the deck”? No wonder I couldn’t find that bitch.
Oh field stop it, you know you have played the race card a time or two. No, not that I know of. Although I am quite sure that the race card has been played against me. But don’t get me wrong, if I had one to use like his “O” ness, I would be playing that bad boy from the top of the deck, not the bottom. You think an Amex black card is the shit, wait until you see how much clout my race card would have.
Mr. Field, this is the bank, your mortgage is due. Ahhhh did you know that I was black? No sir we did not. Well I happen to have a race card right here, and I was planning on using it. Is that going to be necessary? No Mr. Field, that’s fine. We will let the mortgage slide for this month, you just hold on to that card: Sir, did you know that you were doing 100 MPH in a 35 MPH zone? May I see your driver’s license sir? No officer, but I do have a race card. Ahhh, never mind, just be careful next time. You have a nice day now. Thank you officer, you do the same…..You gotta love it.
The possibilities would be endless. But I guess I will never get one of those race cards because I just wouldn’t know where to apply for one. White folks keep shit like that from us black folks. They can only afford to let a few of those cards get out there. Jessie got one, and so did Al. Now I hear that his “O” ness got one too. I knew I couldn’t trust that Negro.
Hee hee.
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 7:52 am #
They should have never had to
Agreed. We can sit here all day and go over all the historical tragedies and evil deeds and say “it should not have been so!”
But it was HISTORY. There comes a point when it is interesting to note it, but not to take it personally or take it out personally on people who just look like slave owners (for slave merchants, those were people who looked like the slaves). And it is also less than honest not to study American slavery in its entirety and in context.
My family was brought here as slaves in 1697. I’m sure it was hell to be sold to work on a Virginia plantation, that the family was bound for over sixty years, but I can’t think of any other country I, now in 2008, I would rather live in.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 7:57 am #
To understand and recognize the greatest of all sacrifices that this particular group of immigrants gave to America
To be technical they did not sacrifice, they were persecuted. I would personally say there is a huge difference because when you sacrifice you do it for a reason knowing full well what will happen to you.
“That is a scar on our nation that only time, trust and forgiveness can heal. It is a scar like none other.”
Sorry to burst your bubble but pretty much every country in the planet has had legalized slavery at one time or another. We are not special. I am sure if you go far enough in my ancestory you can find some cannibals or murderers but I do not think I should have to sit and “feel” guilty about something I did not do.
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 7:58 am #
That is a scar on our nation that only time, trust and forgiveness can heal. It is a scar like none other. No matter who says what, Lisa, every good American is sorry for the past transgressions of the few who perpetrated that crime against humanity in the name of this country.
Am I sorry that the past happened? Do I think slavery was wrong? Yes. Do I bear any blame for it whatsoever? No. do I feel guilt? No. Do I think we owe an apology to every black person living in america today? No.
Sorry, but that is emo b.s. Christian were enslaved by the romans. Where’s my apology? the irish were shit upon for years in america. Where’s my apology.
Some of my ancestors died fighting for the North in the civil war to free slaves. Where’s the gratitude from the black community to me?
This is a b.s. political issue trumped up to try and perform the greatest wealth re-distribution ever attempted by man. It is cover for the most leftist, socialist/marxist policy ideas that can be imagined. it is nothing more. Plus, when we have the offial apology, will that be it? Can we finally “move on” and stop this ludicrous racial spolis system? Will the left stop claiming that everything said or done by the right is racist or “racist code”? Ha!!
That is why there is anger. It is a huge snow-job. If the Congress was simply going to issue a resolution apologizing to the people who were enslaved (without claiming that it was different or worse then other peoples/nations engaged/engage in [including the very africans who captured and sold their fellow africans in the first instance]), then there would be no anger.
but, that is not the case. This is political theater, and is meant to push incredibly bad policies. And, it will not be the end of the racial grievance/spoils system. So, I frankly look at it as total and utter b.s.
Moreover, most blacks in america do not come from a slave background. thus, it is a lie built on a lie. They are trying to sell the idea is that every black living in america today had an ancestor who was a slave in america in the past. That is simply not honest.
I’m frankly sick of hearing about slavery. America has apologized for it through blood, through amending the constitution, through passing many (unconstitutional) affirmative action laws, through passing many anti-discrimination laws and enforcing those.
Blacks in america have more opportunity and live better than anywhere else on the planet – even african countries. Even poor blacks in america have more and live better lifestyles than the vast majority of africans in africa.
So, yes, I am angry about the constant attempt to guilt me into accepting marxism/socialism as atonement for the sins of my past. Sins that I and nobody from my family ever engaged in. Sins that have been washed clean by blood and action.
The point is that it will never be enough. Each time the victim/racial/grievance spoils lobby will come forward with their hand out asking for more. Each time they will call me a racist and claim that I owe them something for the sins of the past.
Well, I don’t owe anyone anything. I don’t owe any black person an apology, I don’t owe any black person a dime of my hard-earned money. Don’t tell me I do.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:00 am #
Ooooh, disturbing! And utterly silly. I denounce it.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:01 am #
Hmmm.
Anybody catch O’Reilly on FoxNews last night?
This subject came up and it was pretty obvious that Obama, like the last 50+ times, was getting a free pass by O’Reilly.
What a shill.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:02 am #
The last word on race card in the presidential campaign, will be when Obama stops asserting anyone gives a flying bacon covered donut about his race (except to the degree he has made it an issue.)
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:03 am #
Banana, who is asking YOU for an apology? WTF? Why do you keep internalizing the apology? It would be an apology from the NATION for a historical blunder.
Darleen, since we just turn away from history and forget about it, lets just tell Abe Foxman to fuck off, close down the Holocaust Museum, and tell Speilberg to stop guilting us with those wrenching movies.
Come on, history is to be examined. Even the bad stuff.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:06 am #
Sarah, I disagree that he is playing the race card. I see the “race card” blather as yet another craven attempt to try to shut down someone even MENTIONING race. I am not buying this “Obama is a race-card player” shit for a second. As a matter of fact, not many people at all are buying it – thank god.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 8:06 am #
Well if we wanna get back to topic, Obama’s continued insinuation that teh Evil Reich Wing will say “look at the black man, do not vote for him because he is black” is pretty disgusting and stupid.
1. Why would a racist need it to be pointed out to them that Obama was black? Is there a sizable portion of the white supremist voting block that is blind?
2. Insinuating 50% of Americans (which is just a ball park figure of the people that are Republicans) are racist, disgusts me as an American. Saying we are being “scared” if we do not vote for him is also insulting to my intelligence.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:07 am #
Am I sorry that the past happened? Well, no. Not really. I wasn’t there and I didn’t do it, nor did any of my ancestors. Am I apologetic towards black folks due to slavery? No. They weren’t slaves and I wouldn’t have owned them if they were. Their great-grandaddies weren’t slaves either. I have nothing to regret and you have no damages to seek reparations for. It’s the 21st freaking century, people. Focus!
I may be repulsed by our late commenter in #68, but I’m not sorry for the things he did, in the same way that I’m glad he’s dead but I don’t feel pride in it. I just know about it.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:08 am #
I don’t want the Nation apologizing on my behalf, or rewarding descendants of slaves with my present income.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:08 am #
Hmmmm.
“Sorry, but that is emo b.s. Christian were enslaved by the romans. Where’s my apology? the irish were shit upon for years in america. Where’s my apology.”
AGREED!
I’m an asian, where’s my fucking apology for the Chinese Exclusion Act? I’m an AmerAsian, child of an Asian mother and a US GI father and abandoned by said biological father, where’s my fucking apology?
Fact is it’s all bullshit. I’m not owed a damn thing by anybody and I certainly don’t owe blacks anything.
It’s past time they grew the fuck up, cleaned and ordered their own house and stop claiming racism because 2/3′rds of young black men are criminals.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:10 am #
“close down the Holocaust Museum, and tell Speilberg to stop guilting us with those wrenching movies.”
Um, those things are just a tiny bit different than a Congressional resolution apologizing for a practice that was abolished 140 years ago. Let’s keep with apples to apples comparisons.
To tell you the truth, I’d have no problem with a, if it hasn’t already been done, formalized Congressional resolution apologizing for slavery. I really wouldn’t. However, we all know that would just encourage certain groups to go even harder after reparations. We still get to tell those people to go to hell.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:10 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Lisa
“Sarah, I disagree that he is playing the race card. I see the “race card†blather as yet another craven attempt to try to shut down someone even MENTIONING race. I am not buying this “Obama is a race-card player†shit for a second. As a matter of fact, not many people at all are buying it – thank god.”
Total fucking bullshit.
Of course he’s playing the race card. You can’t see it because you don’t want to see it. But when Obama talks about being attacked, which has NOT HAPPENED, because he “doesn’t look like” past Presidents then that IS using the race card.
That you can’t see it is pure proof you’re full of shit.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:10 am #
But, um… duh. When white people talk about slavery especially all apologetic like, they’re playing black people. It’s always a preface to ok this is how you guys can be useful, so now that we have your attention… what we need you to do is imbue our socialist project here with your moral authoritah. They invent new racisms daily for this, but that’s usually microtargeting for specific thingers… when they need a centerpiece for their marxist banquet table, it’s always slavery slavery slavery. That’s the thing that gets old. It doesn’t have anything to do with slavery at all really, except black people are darn well expected to react on cue.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:11 am #
Lisa, he didn’t just mention race, he said McCain was going to use it to make you afraid of Obama, despite the fact that McCain has firmly denounced people like Bill Cunningham when they come anywhere near attacking O!’s ethnicity. O! pulled the race card and he did it to advance a lie. They’ve even figured it out over at the Obama Worship Network.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 8:11 am #
“. That, combined with the virulent, vicious anger coming out of this place at the idea of the United States apologizing for participating in slavery – is tragic and deeply disappointing to me.”
Piss off, Lisa, my ancestors fought to free the slaves.
When do I get reparations?
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:11 am #
Not that you would ever “blather” Sarah ;). I just think that saying he is playing “the race card” is a knee jerk reaction to him.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:12 am #
“I am not buying this “Obama is a race-card player†shit for a second”
Why not, Lisa? What is playing the race card, then? Those two quotes are NOT playing the race card?
Comment by Neo on 8/1 @ 8:12 am #
Obama and white women .. ‘racially tinged’ .. this is scandalous.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:14 am #
N. O. Brain: Why would you make it about you and your ancestors. An apology for racism would really not be from any participants to any participants. It would be the nation regretting its participation in a historically tragic thing. So you piss off for making it about you. Every ONE of you who think all race matters are about YOU specifically need some medication.
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 8:16 am #
Lisa
since we just turn away from history and forget about it
Can you stop lying about what I said? I said we STUDY it, we STUDY it THOROUGHLY
We just don’t take it PERSONALLY.
How is that a call to FORGET IT.
You owe ME an apology.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:16 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Lisa
Ok here’s a question even you can answer, and that’s giving you a significant benefit of the doubt.
Ready?
–Why does Obama need to point out IN A SPEECH that he’s black, and the first black man to run for President, when it’s immediately obvious to anyone who has ever seen a picture of him?–
Got that?
So now I’m going to kick back and watch you either try to ignore this question or run away.
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 8:17 am #
Banana, who is asking YOU for an apology? WTF? Why do you keep internalizing the apology? It would be an apology from the NATION for a historical blunder.
Ohhh. I guess I am not a citizen of the nation. I guess when my nation does something, it does not involve me. I’m glad I got your opinion on what my citizenship is worth and my place in my country. Please, tell me what else I should not have an opinion about that my government does? Let me know so I can make sure to shut up.
Again, you are not owed an apology Lisa, get over it and stop calling those of use who disagree with you as racist and “disappointing” you.
It is time for you to get over race. It is time for black america to stop obsessing about it. That is what will resolve the issue – when black america stands up to evil men like Sharpton and Jackson and tell them enough – you don’t speak for us.
Like I said – if it was an honest apology – pointing out that histoically america engaged in slavery the same as most european and african countries were engaging in it at the time, and that it was wrong, I would be fine with that.
Why can’t they do that instead of packing the “apology” with lies?
Also, once the apology is done, can we stop with the constant claims of racism? Can we move away from racial spoils? Will the Jacksons and Sharptons of the world go away? Will I get my apology for the shit the Irish took? Will the black community thank me for my family members dying to free them?
It’s all nonsense.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:18 am #
Lisa, I think this is Darleen’s point, though she is perfectly capable of speaking for herself, but It is just flat wrong to say Republicans are campaiging with devious references to how by the way, Obama is Black. If “race card” is a tired word, what would you have me use for dishonesty like that?
Obama wants me very much to know that he is black, and to accept that this is a point being made against him by his political opponents. Fark that. He may be racist, or hang out with racists, or cultivate relationships with racists when it is to his advantage. Maybe in that way race is an issue. But I can’t think of anyone but that horrible incontinence paraphiliac, David Brown, who stumbled in here this past week, who thinks about Obama’s race the way Obama implies his opponents do (and that one guy is as far from a Republican sensibility as you are likely to get.)
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 8:18 am #
Lisa
A “nation” is The People. Cohen is attempting to speak for The People, and using lies to do it.
Is that what you want?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 8:18 am #
–Why does Obama need to point out IN A SPEECH that he’s black, and the first black man to run for President, when it’s immediately obvious to anyone who has ever seen a picture of him?–
That is about as sly as Bill Clinton comparing him to Jesse Jackson or Hillary saying “as far as I know” to the question of whether or not he is a muslim.
Comment by Great Banana on 8/1 @ 8:20 am #
N. O. Brain: Why would you make it about you and your ancestors. An apology for racism would really not be from any participants to any participants. It would be the nation regretting its participation in a historically tragic thing. So you piss off for making it about you. Every ONE of you who think all race matters are about YOU specifically need some medication.
You are bordering on the delusional here. Let me ask you the same question. If what you said quoted above is true – why are you so personally invested in it? Why are you so angry? Why do you care so much?
You can’t have it both ways. Either it is a meaningless geture to long dead people, or it has some significance in the here and now. YOu are trying desperately to have it both ways.
I ask again. If this resolution passes, can we stop have accusations of racism thrown around? Will affirmative action be put to rest? Will sharpton adn jackson and their like retire? What will this resolution achieve in the great race dialogue? How will it move us forward in ways that the civil war, the constitutional amendment, affirmative action, and anti-discrimation laws have not?
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:21 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Mr. Pink
“That is about as sly as Bill Clinton comparing him to Jesse Jackson or Hillary saying “as far as I know†to the question of whether or not he is a muslim.”
Beg pardon?
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:21 am #
Obsreperous: No they are not playing the race card. This is yet another (tiresome) attempt to declare race itself a shameful and awful thing – sliming any discussion – thus (cleverly) making the issue about whether or not the secret, craven Al Sharpton/Nat Turner that supposedly resides in all black people has come out and is trying to punish and extort various concessions from cowering white people.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 8:21 am #
Lisa, who is the NATION? It’s you and me. That resolution is crap because of it’s ridiculous wording but, more so, it apologizes in my name. We are the nation. I’m not angry about it but as the grandson of immigrants I’m a little annoyed at the way the concept is being presented.
Come now, Lisa. No one is offering that as a position and it’s not as if we don’t highlight both slavery and the holocaust frequently and well. I’m OK with that and I fully embrace such a position. My only concern is applying the argument of uniqueness (i.e the holocaust is unique to Nazi Germany like African slavery is unique to America) as an artificial prod to further national guilt. While there are unique aspects of the American experience with slavery it’s institution is not unique to America. Thus to suggest that any of us want to sweep this under the carpet and not examine history is false. In fact, I’d like to see a discussion that accurately reflects American slavery in the context of the historical record of slavery in general.
Our politicians are not up to the task when it comes to this apologizing thing. They are more concerned with burnishing their racial bona fides with a small group of victimization junkies than with estblishing a reasonable, accurate historical record.
Again, I’m not angry about it but feel as though I have the prudent right to question content and intent without being told that it’s a no brainer and why do I hate teh black people.
Still love ya, girl!
Comment by Darleen on 8/1 @ 8:22 am #
;). I just think that saying he is playing “the race card†is a knee jerk reaction to him.
Oh? I was very specific to cite Barry’s quotes. You want to come up with another designation for his saying “Rethuglicans don’t want to vote for me and want to scare you because I’M BLACK”, please let me know.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 8:23 am #
Oh, please. Pardon the fuck out of us for not wanting the government to apologize for something no one alive committed or endured.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:24 am #
Hmmmm.
What frankly amazes me about this are the number of white people I know whose families could not possibly ever have had anything to do with slavery because their ancestors immigrated around 1900, yet who still buy into whole white-people-are-guilty nonsense.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 8:24 am #
I think “national apologies” are a silly, pointless waste of time and, thus, taxpayer money. Certainly they have more important things to do.
Detroit city council does stupid shit like this. It seems that the useless stuff is the only thing that EVER gets “resolved.” It’s just BS.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 8:24 am #
Me, I figure postmodernism will off freedom in our lifetimes. Because of eradicating all the racism, That most noble function of the State.
WitlessWitness Lisa. If only that level of ignorance were acutely painful.Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:25 am #
Lisa, yesterday found Marc Lamont Hill saying that, yes, O! pulled the race card. Marc. Freaking. Lamont. Freaking. Hill.
Knee jerk reaction? I think not.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 8:25 am #
I love how you’re given to extreme understatement, Carin.
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 8:27 am #
Shorter Thor: I’m voting for Obama because of white guilt.
Hep a brotha out, yo. For teh chirren!
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:28 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Mr. Pink
“That is about as sly as Bill Clinton comparing him to Jesse Jackson or Hillary saying “as far as I know†to the question of whether or not he is a muslim.â€Â
Beg pardon?
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:29 am #
I really didnt care until I saw all of the angry opposition to it. And I am not personally invested in it. I am not trying to have anything both ways. You are being dishonest when you make that statement. I can put things into perspective without being a craven race hustler trying to extract meaningless apologies from white people.
I am telling you that this is not ABOUT YOU. No one is going to ask YOU to turn to the nearest black person and prostrate yourself for him or her. You are being hysterical. That does not mean I think this is a great idea. I just don’t like seeing people tell patently ridiculous fantasies about it (especially crap that supports some idiot idea that black people are “after you”).
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:29 am #
Yes, it’s wrong to make Obama’s race an issue. I wish he would quit doing that.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:30 am #
Hep a brotha out, yo. For teh chirren!
Boy they sure need to get some educational improvements in those meth-infested trailerparks. Poor thing.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:31 am #
another (tiresome) attempt to declare race itself a shameful and awful thing
No. Not really. Baracky only half plays the race card. Mostly it’s about hey I’m special and different and not like the others. His race does make him special as far as candidates go, but when he’s the one that puts it forward it really a lot calls attention to how he has a huge specialness deficit in what he brings to the job. McCain says hey, it’s not a race thing to attack your faux specialness. Stop using race as camouflage for your vacuity and callowness. He’s saying this isn’t really fair if Baracky isn’t going to act like a man and stand on his own merits. Fair enough to me I think.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:31 am #
In which case it would be utterly worthless. Have you ever had a boyfriend that treated you like shit? I apologize for that asshole.
Feel better about it now?
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 8:32 am #
I was trying to be polite. Seeing as how freaked out people got the other day comparing slavery to prarie dogs or whatever. But, honestly this stuff really pisses me off.
I have nothing to apologize for, and don’t need my government doing it for me. They’ve got real shit to do.
Comment by Neo on 8/1 @ 8:33 am #
Today Obama is shifting to his soak the oil companies for the next “economic stimulus” meme.
Given Exxon/Mobil made $11 billion on the quarter while paying $34 billion in taxes .. this looks like Obama is trying to use that the old phony IRS form that states ..
Bring a new reality to an old joke isn’t exactly the kind of change anybody was expecting.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 8:33 am #
sniff sniff. Thank you Pablo. That means a lot. He really was a bastard.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:34 am #
Lisa @ 100. Of course he is playing the race card. Read the quotes. Again, I ask you then. What is playing the race card?
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:34 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Lisa
“I am telling you that this is not ABOUT YOU.”
It’s about Obama trying to get a free pass for playing the race card.
Now all you have to do is acknowledge it.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 8:35 am #
Wha?
No, it’s not. For God’s sake, most of us truly believe in the “content of their character, not the color of their skin” ideal. One way to get there is not to pull shit like Obama’s doing, which is claiming to be attacked based on his race when he has not.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 8:35 am #
Lisa – I went up to a black lady and hugged her this morning. She maced me.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 8:35 am #
If that’s not playing the race card, I dunno what is. It’s also a lie.
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:36 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Lisa
–Why does Obama need to point out IN A SPEECH that he’s black, and the first black man to run for President, when it’s immediately obvious to anyone who has ever seen a picture of him?–
Still waiting.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:36 am #
BTW, I said, I’d have no problem with a resolution declaring an apology (it’s purely symbolic anyway as we have apologized through actions already), but not as it’s presently worded.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 8:37 am #
“Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:14 am #
N. O. Brain: Why would you make it about you and your ancestors.”
Um, because I ain’t the one whining about race?
Because the absolute moral authority of the descendants of slaves is bullshit in the face of the absolute moral authority of those who fought to free the slaves?
Because I refuse to be guilty for a sin I didn’t commit?
Because German immigrants to this country were actively abolitionist and actually crated major units of the the Union army, and were actually fighting to free the slaves?
Shall I go on?
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 8:39 am #
Related:PJB: Whitey Need Not Apply
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:41 am #
If Obama had turned out to be a post-racial, generally moderate, clear-thinking, principled peson with a track record of effective leadership inspiring more than personal loans and political favors to himself, I would have voted for him over McCain.
You are right on this point. I assert he and any other person should have an operating philosophy that America is either ready for a black candidate to win on the merit of his ideas, tract record and character, or not, and let the chips fall. It’s wrong to drag race into it except when that door is opened by actual condut. He shouldn’t be constantly alluding to it and insinuiting it’s part of the campaign against him.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 8:41 am #
Coupla questions, not that either matter.
1. By what authority would a people vote a guy into office on the basis of his anticipated racial policies? No, before the moonbats present blow a gasket, I don’t mean a mere, raw election, but by what constitutional authority would a people, using emotion, myth, envy, competition, intolerance, and greed, among other avarice, insist that an individual, one clearly not empowered to do so by any authentic mandate of the office under the original and clear strictures of the republic, perform politically-aligned, morally-tinged tasks (probably by way of the color of his skin, just as this ass is already today as self-appointed emissary to the planet) in order to serve a specific yet vague ideal, one visibly no more honest in it’s intended effect than it will be just in its principle?
2. Given the trajectory of said anticipated social engineering, social manipulation, and socialism throughout history, by what logic would any idiot think such wishfulness and legislated strife could possibly produce a beneficial outcome?
IOW, no right to do such a thing, and no practical cause to justify trying. Is this somehow a mystery? Have we become a nation of selfish, envious, mewling children?
So why do leftists routinely do such insanely stupid shit like this, directly in the face of their having no fundamental right to do so, no moral right to do so, and no practical benefit of having done so?
Which they will, ignoring human nature and history, all functional thought aside. Carry on. Nothing to explain here.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:41 am #
Baracky is a huge risk. He has no record, and some for real shady associations. It’s not very honest for Baracky to tell people that when that sort of thing is questioned it’s cause he’s black. It’s a real glimpse into what his presidency would be like I think.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:43 am #
Of course, it’s playing the race card. I’m not sure how any rational being can argue otherwise. Of course, I’m sure none of us are going to websites such as voteyourintellect.com. Because you know, if you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a dumbass.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 8:43 am #
Sorry for the crap writing, BTW. I didnt sleep again. It’s really showing.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:44 am #
Baracky knew Europe had some guilt they want absolved too. This is why Germany.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 8:44 am #
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 8:21 am
I was comparing Obama’s use of “the presidents on the dollar bill don’t look like me” to the two statements I mentioned in 97.
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 8:45 am #
I want an apology from Obama for what OJ did to that white girl.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 8:46 am #
I blame sugartits.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:47 am #
What about the white guy? Or are you, you know, an anti-semite?!eleventy!!11!111111
Comment by Education Guy on 8/1 @ 8:47 am #
I would like to apologize to the nation for ogling the gorgeous red head on the Blue Line heading to Franconia yesterday at around 5:30 pm. Also for the mysterious smell left on the elevator at International Square around 1pm.
I apologize to you all for my patriarchy and for having Indian for lunch. Hopefully we can put this all behind us.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:47 am #
JD – Never blame sugartits as they are pure as the driven snow and, well, they’re tits.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:48 am #
Lost in all this is the fact that Luda sucks. D12 (shout out to carin!) is the shit.
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 8:49 am #
No, he had it coming.
Somebody else been shakin your tree..
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 8:52 am #
Oh, and the self evident answer to #129 (thanks; I’m here all week).
Because of the religion of leftism. Yes, religion. Faith, hope, mandated “love”, the myth of equality (not under the law; inherent, born-into-it equality of behavior and treatment) hierarchy, dogma, subscription, organization, cant, rhetoric, rules, law, enforcement, force, speech, faith in things not seen (or proved, ever) and even excommunication.
Religion. You know, leftists, that thing the separation clause prevents. Well, the invented, opportunistic, variable, partisan, extra-constitutional, intolerant separation clause as regards what it prevents — behaviorally and even mentally — in others.
You know, typically because of simple congressional majorities with single-digit approval ratings. Because of the living constitution or something.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 8:52 am #
Good point Roland.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/1 @ 8:53 am #
And this is different from any other polician how? This is different from JFK how?
Well, among other things, before he ran for President, Kennedy had:
Served in combat, and been decorated for heroism.
Served six years in the House and seven years in the Senate.
Obama has done neither of those things.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 8:53 am #
OI – You are correct. I denounce and condemn myself. Now, where are those pics of Scarlet Johannson and those clearly non-surgically enhanced breastesses? NTTAWWT.
Comment by Salt Lick on 8/1 @ 8:55 am #
Lisa — Can you explain why you think a national apology “for slavery” is required? And what benefits to the nation do you see coming from such an apology?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 8:55 am #
Here is what I posted in yesterday’s thread:
Darleen, KtK is merely engaging in intellectual thuggery. The charge of racism is used today; back in the 1950’s it would have been a cry of “And you sir, are a Communist!â€Â.
Social ostracism is supposed to follow the charge, no matter how baseless it is, with the accused vainly offering a defense. It is the tactic of a scoundrel with nothing left in his intellectual quiver. I think KtK may be learning that the old charge is losing its sting, and the ostracism isn’t as forthcoming as it once was.
Remove KtK and put in Sen. Obama. It is still the same cheap bit of McCarthyism that the left purports to deplore, yet uses without hesitation.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:56 am #
Jeez but four years of this puerile race nonsense won’t get much accomplished I don’t think. It’s very distracty.
Comment by psycho... on 8/1 @ 8:56 am #
As always, I welcome Obama to cut me a fuckin’ check for his ancestors’ enslavement of mine — and his and his family’s resultant fraudulent advantage over me and mine — or Whitey can shut the fuck up. Whichever.
There is no “nation” to “regret” its “tragic” blah. There is only us. Unfortunately, One of us is trying to drag the rest into the lie that is his life, to make it real, finally — by incredible force. Even cultural giant Vanilla Ice couldn’t pull that off. As the cheat becomes more blatant, it’s bound to make a few us straight players a bit pissy.
For the sake of this point — Brazil or the Netherlands. They swapped way the hell more slaves for gold than anyone else did, and no one gives a damn. Almost no one even knows. The “Western” side of the African trade was theirs, but it’s the U.S. and Britain who take — give themselves — all the shit. That’s pimpin’.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:56 am #
Why would you think that it is to make anyone feel better (except Nanci Pelosi)? And why do you think any national apology would be to me? Apparently you are all so deeply and wildly hysterical that this conversation is pointless.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:57 am #
Salt it is not required. But it would not be some dreadful pound of flesh from your ass either.
Freaks. Calm DOWN everyone. LMAO!!!
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 8:58 am #
Lisa – I took your advise, and got maced. This national discussion on race is tougher than I expected.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 8:58 am #
I am going to save this thread. Everytime anyone says that black folks are hysterical about race, I am going to read this shit and giggle.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 8:58 am #
It is very distracty, Lisa.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 8:59 am #
You mean in the private sector, right? Thanks. Greatly appreciated. Give generously to the private special interest of your choice. Because Spielberg doesn’t work on my tax dollar and he, thereby, cannot force me to act a certain way and take my money and freedom when I may not.
I mean, not that you’ll ever see the sheer idiocy of your position, but thanks for at least seeing how government — this jackass is running for POTUS and all — has no %@#$*& right being involved in enforcing the myths and envies of a select portion of the voter base.
Glad we could clear that up.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 9:00 am #
JD: I love you, man. Don’t tell your wife though – as she is apparently handy with firearms.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:00 am #
I think that it doesn’t lend itself to measured happy conversation means maybe it’s not really very for real. Cloudbustings.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:01 am #
I’ll just bet you are.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 9:02 am #
JHoward, what exactly is he going to be “forcing you to do” other than look at his blackity black ass standing behind a podium? LMAO! Wow that post just moved you up to the cheif loon in this looney bin, buddy.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 9:03 am #
Hysterical? No, sick of it would be better. Sick of being asked to apologize for something I didn’t do, sick of a baseless smear being flung around for no other reason than to shut-up any opposition, sick of some con-man trying to guilt trip his way into my wallet.
Just sick and tired of the whole, tired, worn-out show that hasn’t had anything new to say in forty years.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:07 am #
It’s Friday also. For everybody equal like. This I will celebrate.
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 9:08 am #
Funny, I have the same conversations when I use my White Privilege Express card;
Mr. Ouroboros, this is the bank, your mortgage is due. Ahhhh did you know that I’m white? No sir we did not. Well I happen to have my white privilege card right here, and I was planning on using it. Is that going to be necessary? No Mr. Field, that’s fine. We will let the mortgage slide for this month, you just hold on to that card: Sir, did you know that you were doing 100 MPH in a 35 MPH zone? May I see your driver’s license sir? No officer, but I do have my White Privilege Express card.. I never leave home without it… Ahhh, never mind, just be careful next time. You have a nice day now. Thank you officer, you do the same…..You gotta love it.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:10 am #
Not even. Police officers are scary. And I’m spectacularly white.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 9:11 am #
Mikey: No. One. Will. Ask. You. To. Apologize. For. Slavery.
It would be some bland, silly thing about the nation regretting something.
Oh lawd ha’mercy baby. We all need to have a national day of Xanax or bong hits or something. Come on Happy, I know you’re is holding. Pass me a little.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:12 am #
You truly are an idiot, Lisa. Because you just suggested that this guy’s number one selling point — his finally solving the inherent racism the nation is known worldwide for, that same racism that requires, oh I don’t know, say a national apology to just begin to solve — will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what he signs, vetoes, says, enacts, speaks, and “leads” concerning.
And I’m looney.
Lisa, as gently as I can say this? You’re rationally irredeemable. You’re rationally irredeemable because of your religion.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:15 am #
Not holding I swear. My boss isn’t coming in today. I’m just a little giddy.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 9:16 am #
B”ecause you just suggested that this guy’s number one selling point  his finally solving the inherent racism the nation is known worldwide for”
JHoward, good point. I don’t really see it that much with the silly resolution, but with his pulling the race card so frequently. The lightworker must work in mysterious ways.
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 9:17 am #
Wasn’t Friday the manservant for that white guy Robinson Crusoe?
We need to apologize for that too.
Have a happy day between Thursday and Saturday!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 9:17 am #
Then Congress doesn’t need to pass any dumb-ass resolution.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:17 am #
Race, politics and religion will sure start the fur a flying.
The African experience in the West, as the academics call it, is unique. Not only should blacks learn from the “black experience,” so should whites, latinos, asians, even the lowly blubber eating Inuit.
And if African-Americans have an extra twinkle in their eye when they witness Barack Obama being sworn in as President of the United States of America, just understand that their extra twinkle of pride didn’t come on the cheap. America makes everyone eat a shit sandwich; they got a foot-long Subway with extra shit. Giving their ancestors their due won’t cost you a dime, certainly seeing how you can be proud right along with them. Our fabric is colorful indeed.
Comment by JD on 8/1 @ 9:18 am #
Lisa – She is cool with you. She tolerates my firearms, most certainly not handy with them. She is a little firecracker, but you know how those brown-skinned women are. ;-)
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 9:20 am #
Obama thinks black men are scary. But you’re the racist. I think he has daddy issues.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:20 am #
See that’s ostentatious again. America is not a tone poem.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 9:21 am #
Thor
“America makes everyone eat a shit sandwich”
F#ck you.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:21 am #
Oh. #173 was for that comment with the ostentatiousness.
Comment by poppa india on 8/1 @ 9:22 am #
I’ll bet the families of Union casualties didn’t giggle when they got the bad news. Probably some of them got hysterical too. I wonder what they would have thought about their descendants being asked to apologize for slavery 150 years later.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:25 am #
Eat me, Pink.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:25 am #
Ok gack poppa india. Baracky wants socialisms and high prices for the gas so he can nurture the global warmingers war on capitalism and he wants everyone in both a union and a corp. This is not set against the sweep of history. It’s just some scary as shit right now.
Comment by bigbooner on 8/1 @ 9:26 am #
Apologize for slavery. The ultimate form over substance exercise. For those who “feel” this is the right thing to do here’s a suggestion. Go sit through some diversity training class (usually mandatory for most of us) and let’s see how you “feel” after being blamed for every ill in the world. It should help you understand the whole “white privilege” thing.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:27 am #
I think I meant *scary-ass* shit.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/1 @ 9:27 am #
America makes everyone eat a shit sandwich
International flights leave every few minutes from every major airport, thor.
See ya!
Comment by Ric Locke on 8/1 @ 9:28 am #
Hysterical? Nah. Intentionalism, remember?
The problem with an apology for slavery, even past the hysterical (!) overstatement of the existing resolution, is that there is no way in Hell it can go back far enough. Slavery goes back to the earliest forms of human organization; it is a necessary, even inevitable, concomitant of an agricultural economy — if you don’t have machines you get slavery, or one of the euphemisms for it like serfdom, because there’s no way to get sufficient production to provide everybody with an independent lifestyle.
The trade routes and economic arrangements by which my ancestors brought Lisa’s to this country were established by the Romans two millenia before anybody in Eurasia knew there was an American continent. The Roman Empire developed them into something like what we have today for cars or other industrial products, with producers, agents, transporters, jobbers, and dealers, and made the system so pervasive that we have, today, an entire ethnic group whose identifying name is Slav(e). There are unique factors about the American (and British) practices, but having people bought and sold like agricultural machinery is not among them — that’s the constant, and very nearly the definition, of slavery throughout history. Any representation that that is not the case is so utterly fraudulent as to cast doubt on any other statement(s) by the same people.
The truly unique thing about modern slavery is that it no longer exists in any Western or Western-derived society. That is absolutely a new thing, a complete departure from one of the fundamental bases of society throughout the ages, and it’s only been around for a century and a half, not nearly enough time for a full adjustment of society|ies to the New Regime.
The unique thing about American slavery is its direct correlation with race, and the thing that makes its sequelae problematic is the unfortunate observation that American blacks do not, in their masses, achieve. We are desperately flailing about for an explanation for that fact, and don’t seem to me to be any closer to such an explanation than we were in, say, the Fifties — if anything we are farther away. “The legacy of slavery” is an attractive explanation because it’s simple and seemingly fairly obvious, but it’s not really “simple”; the correct word is “simplistic”. Placing all the blame|cause for a complex social phenomenon on a single influence is easy, and we all ought to be profoundly suspicious of simple explanations. At best they tend to be incomplete, and they are quite often completely wrong.
More later, perhaps.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:29 am #
February 3rd, 1870.
April 15th, 1947.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:30 am #
Because thor is a reformer.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:31 am #
But no one in their masses achieve. The keep changing the achieving is why. It can be very challenging.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:31 am #
…and reformers are pure.
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 9:31 am #
I think Great Banana pretty well summed up what over half of all white Americans (and other non-blacks) think, if only to themselves.. The rest, a minority, appear to be guilty liberals comfortable with the idea of perpetual apology for something they never had a hand in.. If O!, the Great Uniter, really wants to move this country forward then along with acknowledging that slavery was bad and wrong (by our 21st century standards) he, at the same time, acknowledges that no living black American has ever been a slave and no living white American has ever owned or traded in African slaves.. He could also state flat out that in light of the huge amounts of money spent on affirmative action over the last century and a half we’re now even steven on the whole reparations issue and going forward we will all, regardless of race, ethnicity or gender, be be treated and protected the same under the law, and be valued each as to their own merit, capabilities and achievement.. And finally put an end to institutionalized, government backed racism in this country once and for all.
Comment by Cincinnatus on 8/1 @ 9:31 am #
“Personally, I’m skeptical of anyone whose entire life is devoted to padding a resume to go into politics. ”
If I had done that, I would have eventually done something substancial accidentally.
Comment by Jeff G. on 8/1 @ 9:31 am #
First, I thought the “nation” was responsible for doing away with slavery, too. So that means the nation owes the nation an apology. Kinda cancels things out — but what the hell: as a representative of the nation I both offer and accept my own apology.
Then, there’s thor’s whole twaddle about extra twinkles. As if a certain skin color is what makes “ancestors.” Meanwhile, the only reason the “black experience” is still separate from a more generic American experience is that it is purposely bracketed off in such a way that keeps it its own separate experience — and so keeps alive the requirement that we know and understand that experience.
Personally, I see the US culturally as capable of swallowing all of that ethnic outsiderism up into its giant maw: thus, there is no “black experience” outside of the “experience of blacks within the US,” which makes the “black experience” part of the American experience.
And I’ve had plenty of those kinds of experiences. I feel no compulsion to ride every ride. Some of just don’t like rollercoasters.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:33 am #
*They* keep changing… Jeez. I gots me SarahW’s affliction.
Comment by TmjUtah on 8/1 @ 9:34 am #
Well, Hillary! has decided she wants nothing to do with the train wreck.
Denver is still going to be a hoot.
Uh, Thor -
“No matter who says what, Lisa, every good American is sorry for the past transgressions of the few who perpetrated that crime against humanity in the name of this country.”
You do know that every culture on the planet has a history of slave owning and trading, right? Why is it the only western nation that fought a bloody civil war that contained “freeing the slaves” as one undeniable pivot point can never seem to embrace the victory and look forward for one f*cking day, instead of supporting a frankly sad and shameful industry of race pimps and grievance grifters? That the trade still thrives in places like the Sudan, and could be said to be the basis of the service industry across much of the mideast, and fails to incite the same outrage from all the tired old players in the game.
What bullshit you spout – “the few” – with such an earnest attempt to project compassion and reverence. Race prejudice was an accepted societal norm across western societies until the beginnings of the abolitionist movements (which began primarily in England) and such prejudices were still widespread in business and government practices until the civil rights reform corrected the most egregious of the discriminatory practices and laws.
We have come a long way. The progress has come at a fearsome price, paid by many millions of our ancestors across all the color and culture lines.
But I never owned any fucking slaves. Nobody you know ever owned any – unless you have Saudi emigre friends who import Paks or Filippinas for years at a time. My Scandanavian and Italian antecedents got here in the 1870’s, and my Sioux ancestors… well, their experience is another chapter for another time.
The debt is paid. It was paid for at places like Antietam and Fredericksburg and Selma and Memphis. Pay respect to the memory of those that went before, resolve to go forward in good faith and work toward ending the last vestiges of racism in our society. The goal now should be ending race based affirmative action and all other government actions that serve to segregate and separate us by color or ethnicity.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:35 am #
If you ever get on a overseas flight I’d suggest you pack a couple of shit sandwiches in case you get hungry.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 9:35 am #
And if we’re going to be apologizing, he can also apologize to me for his hateful, racist, slave owning cracker ancestors making the rest of us upstanding white folks look bad.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 9:37 am #
Tom Hanks can be proud of Baracky. I am more likely to think him a foolish mistake.
Comment by Sdferr on 8/1 @ 9:38 am #
Assuming an airliner wasn’t flying over at that moment, poppa, I think we’d be too busy trying to explain where have all the horses gone and how cars work and why we have so many telegraph lines on the poles and why that fellow over there is talking to a little box he’s holding to his head and what that noisy wagon that just sped by is and how those neon lights work and etc…………for days before they’d be willing to sit down and entertain a question about how they feel about their descendants apologizing for slavery 150 years after their relatives fought to keep or end it. It’s just soooo second order of business.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 9:39 am #
Come on Happy, I know you’re is holding. Pass me a little.
See, all this race talk has me speaking in ebonics.
Comment by Log Cabin on 8/1 @ 9:40 am #
Upon digging beneath the surface of Thor’s support for O!, we begin to uncover the truth:
A deep and everlasting shame over slavery. That merely reinforces what I have been saying: Obama is the ultimate example of affirmative action. Voting for him expunges the guilt that many whites feel. Somehow, this is ‘payback’ for America’s past actions.
It’s kind of silly, given that he is not descended from slaves. But democrat votes are usually about feelings, not logical thought.
Comment by Samari Putter on 8/1 @ 9:41 am #
Lisa – If I spoke ebonics while trying to hug a black lady, do you think that might keep them from macing me, or calling the cops?
Comment by TmjUtah on 8/1 @ 9:41 am #
Oh, and Thor -
“The African experience in the West, as the academics call it, is unique. ”
Only in that they were growing tobacco in Georgia or sugar in Haiti, Thor. All things being equal they could well have been back home in dear old Africa, growing yams and herding cows for whatever tribe had beat them last.
Or watching the slaves they owned doing all the work. It was a crap shoot, no doubt.
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 8/1 @ 9:41 am #
Lisa: “It would be some bland, silly thing about the nation regretting something.”
Which would immediately be descended upon by a collection of hustlers, poverty pimps and professional victims, inquirirng “just *HOW* sorry are you?” And, knowing Pelosi and others of that ilk, they will want to open the public purse to demonstrate just *HOW* sorry they are.
Y’know, as Barry said, deeds, not words.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:42 am #
If only albinos had a culture you’d be so wrong.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:43 am #
Tom Hanks looked at Alan Alda and said piker.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 9:45 am #
Thor, in your mind what besides the presence of Evil Rethuglicans makes this country such a sh!t sandwhich?
Take your time I want to hear this one.
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 9:45 am #
I’m just a red nigger who love the sea,
I had a sound colonial education,
I have Dutch, nigger, and English in me,
and either I’m nobody, or I’m a nation.
Walcott
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 9:46 am #
You truly are an idiot, Lisa. Because you just suggested that this guy’s number one selling point  his finally solving the inherent racism the nation is known worldwide for, that same racism that requires, oh I don’t know, say a national apology to just begin to solve  will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what he signs, vetoes, says, enacts, speaks, and “leads†concerning.
You are a liar. And a scurrilious brigand, to boot.
And yes, you are hysterical. Who said his number one selling point is his race? You? Oh…okay well then that settles it. And he is supposed to settle all racial ills? Again, what? And if you think that he is going to sign, veto, and enact “Anti Whitey” legislation just because he happens to be black, then you truly are in need of an immediate round of electroshock treatments.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:47 am #
While on the subject of attempting to project your myths into national policy, I want to know how Baracky will disappoint by way of eight more years of strictly-whitey legislation.
Comment by TmjUtah on 8/1 @ 9:47 am #
“If only albinos had a culture you’d be so wrong.”
And another one lads! Fire on the down roll – BROADSIDE!
I like me some Napoleonic era naval analogies sometimes. So sue me.
Off to Wendover for the weekend. Y’all have a fine one.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 9:48 am #
Anyone have any clue WTF that’s supposed to mean?
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 9:49 am #
Thor, in your mind what besides the presence of Evil Rethuglicans makes this country such a sh!t sandwhich?
Maybe nobody would buy a vacuum cleaner from him, and he had to eat him a shit sammich for dinner.
It’s all about perspective you know.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:50 am #
A restraint almost as impressive as your lexicon. Really makes your point, you elitist you. Such as it may be.
Anyway, then you tell me why Baracky is oh so popular with progressivism, Lisa. Tell me how progressivism doesn’t place racial tolerance as it’s number one plank.
Comment by cynn on 8/1 @ 9:50 am #
I really really wish Obama would studiously ignore any racial reference whatsoever. I wish he would just shrug it off as irrelevant. That would go a long way toward putting this trainwreck back on the rails.
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 9:50 am #
Ric Locke at #182: That was eloquent. You’ll excuse me if I replace all of my simplistic comments with the phrase “What he said..” You should really have your own blog.. or at least contribute here..
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 9:53 am #
Spot on, cynn.
Log Cabin,
And that he is descended from slave owners.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:53 am #
Oh, and answer the question that instead had you call me a liar, Lisa. A liar about stuff that one naturally assumes will happen and has not yet happened. Stuff that certainly appears to have absolutely everything to do with the man’s attraction, that being the stuff that at least they somewhat assume will occur.
Answer that question, Lisa, thereby proving me a liar by way of future events.
Comment by Sdferr on 8/1 @ 9:54 am #
I don’t know Pink, thor may have a point in “America making everyone eat a shit sandwich”. I mean, look at what the stupid Congress just did, passing a non-binding resolution apologizing for slavery and racial-segregation by voice vote, instead of working to free energy production from the death grip of idiotic Earth-firsters. Sort of fits the bill, doesn’t it?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 9:54 am #
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Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 9:48 am #
If only albinos had a culture you’d be so wrong.
Anyone have any clue WTF that’s supposed to mean?”
I THINK it was one of those “rebuttal” thingies.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 9:54 am #
Absolutely, cynn. That he’s pushing the matter, and has his surrogates doing the same, is the problem.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 9:54 am #
#212
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 9:57 am #
“Again, what? And if you think that he is going to sign, veto, and enact “Anti Whitey†legislation just because he happens to be black, then you truly are in need of an immediate round of electroshock treatments.”
Which little piggy lived in a straw house? BTW, this Jeff G. guy who is commenting needs himself a blog. I want to read more of this guy’s stuff!
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 9:59 am #
You’re 100% correct cynn. Funny that he doesn’t.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 9:59 am #
In fact, Lisa, let me help you out. Thusly:
You other guys, tell me if I’m wrong. Is Baracky the progressive messiah because he embodies progressive idealism in the form of Finally Achieving Racial Healing, or is not Baracky the progressive messiah because he doesn’t embody progressive idealism in the form of Finally Achieving Racial Healing?
Because, Lisa, almost nothing would make my Friday more than knowing a Baracky Administration wouldn’t ever dream of touching a shred of the social manipulations the Democrat Congress already outed itself as loving to death.
Comment by the wolf on 8/1 @ 10:02 am #
As a Chicagoan, I can guarantee that Obama is an empty-suit Chicago politician. Obama’s role as a “community organizer” (give me an effin’ break) was to get elected and help get the vote out to get his cronies elected. The entire Chicago political structure is built on those two activities. Obama owes his entire political success to Emil Jones, who greased his way through the Chicago Democratic Machine and by a fluky win in the Senate race that he would have lost except for his opponent’s scandal. He has not done a single thing legislatively or for his constituency to be considered for the highest office. He’s a fluke and a symbol of how morally bankrupt the Democratic party is right now.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 10:03 am #
Oh you crazy white people. I still love you though, even the wildly insane Jhoward. I have some meetings (I am applying for a race card – hee hee).
As always, I love the conversations here, they clear the sinuses. But alas, it is the weekend. I am going from Comcast to FioS so I won’t be able to get online for however long Verizon jerks me around – however: As your Official Spokesperson for Teh Blacks, I say this profound thing:
Have a nice weekend!
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 10:06 am #
Funny thing, though, Lisa, is you are most definitely not the official spokesperson of teh Blacks. Maybe the elitist ones? But somehow I even doubt that. Anyhow, have a great weekend, too.
Comment by Lisa on 8/1 @ 10:06 am #
btw: Jhoward – both parties tend to be fond of racial tolerance.
Comment by cynn on 8/1 @ 10:08 am #
“that being the stuff that at least they somewhat assume will occur.”
Confused, JHoward; who is the “they” you refer to? Surely you don’t think Obama’s true constituents are nefarious darkies who want him to create a hip hop nation?
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:10 am #
Shorter Lisa: Can’t be bothered to justify assumptions by backing them with either reason or fact. Tata, me lovlies!
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 10:13 am #
An Affirmative Action FioS?!!!
I’m white and I can’t get highspeed FioS.
Show off.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:15 am #
His supporters, cynn — I’ll believe he’ll need a majority of voters, that more or less calling into play peeps of every, ah, color. If I may so observe. (May I?)
Pursuant that, in #225 Lisa just implied that O! is just another Mccain but that, um, happens to not, as it turns out, look like any other dollar bill president.
If I may so observe. (May I?)
You figure it out, because all that nuance has me reeling. Anyone?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 10:16 am #
Ever going to explain to me why living in this country is such a sh!t sandwhich thor?
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:20 am #
I think thor has lunch too, Pink…
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 10:20 am #
Because by law I have to share the sidewalk with the likes of you, for starters.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:23 am #
Laws are meant to be changed, thor. Take heart.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 8/1 @ 10:25 am #
I watched a boxing match once, where one of the boxers appeared to be very high on something. The other boxer beat the living crap out of him, but he never went down. I came to the conclusion that his trainer had put a funnel into his ear and filled his head with cement.
I always think of this boxing match when talking to an Obama supporter. You would need a jack hammer to find any trace of logic in their heads.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 10:27 am #
I do not think Lisa was persuaded on the unreasonableness of her position.
Ow. I hate adult dentistry. I need an apicoectomy and I’m pretty sure that’s racist.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 10:27 am #
OF OF OF the unreasonableness.
I am going to bed. See y’all after a nap.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:28 am #
Logic is antithesis to feelings, Lost Dog. Choose one.
And we’ll call them elections.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:29 am #
Antithetical? Antithetically? I’ve been lost the whole thread.
Ask Lisa.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 10:30 am #
This thread is even better than the last. Oh how you can justify any and every hateful position under the sun. It boggles. I wonder what the next Moronic Darleen Diary on Race and Sex will have in store?
Comment by BuddyPC on 8/1 @ 10:30 am #
64. #
Comment by thor on 8/1 @ 7:40 am #
Jackie Robinson stole home plate, twice! I have to make like Jackie and run.
Jackie Robinson was a registered Republican who supported Nixon in 1960 and Rockefeller in 1964. Mostly because the Dems, even then, saw blacks as little more than a demographic, rather than individuals.
Betcha they don’t tell you that on the tour.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:32 am #
Sure thing, hoot. Give with the hateful positions, mindreader. Come on, you can do it. You’re a progressive.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:32 am #
Or do I confuse you with heet?
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 10:33 am #
Hmmmm.
@ Lisa
“I am going to save this thread. Everytime anyone says that black folks are hysterical about race, I am going to read this shit and giggle.”
Again you completely and utterly miss the entire point.
We’re not pissed off about race. We’re pissed off about racism and being called racists.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 10:33 am #
#Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 10:30 am #
Do you speak English?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 10:34 am #
What really amazes me is how charming and reasonable thor is now that Karl isn’t around.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 10:36 am #
Comment by memomachine on 8/1 @ 10:33 am #
Or being called a racist (when one is not) and defending yourself from the charge and being called a racist for defending yourself.
Comment by afall on 8/1 @ 10:43 am #
“First, I thought the “nation†was responsible for doing away with slavery, too. So that means the nation owes the nation an apology.”
Maybe just parts of the nation have to apologize. You know, federalism.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:43 am #
For which we really should have legislation, O’Brain.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:44 am #
For which we really should have legislation, afall.
Comment by Dan Collins on 8/1 @ 10:46 am #
Don’t you think he’s just trying, somewhat inartfully, to say he’s non-denominational?
Comment by afall on 8/1 @ 10:47 am #
“For which we really should have legislation, afall.”
I don’t know if i’d go so far as to say *really* should. But I certainly don’t mind it. Seems rather nice.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 10:48 am #
- Demorcratic Presidential candidate statements of qualifications for POTUS:
2004 – J. Kerry – “Did I mention I went to Viet Nam?”
2008 – B. Obama – “Did I mention I’m Black?”
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 10:48 am #
I think being razed to the ground, occupied for years, and generally left an impoverished backwater is punishment enough.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 10:49 am #
Then you’re really gonna love this government, afall. It’s a nice one.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 10:49 am #
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/1 @ 10:51 am #
Fuck. Hoot is one dumb son of a bitch. But as long as he’s feeling.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 10:53 am #
What hateful positions are those, hoot?
Comment by SevenEleventy on 8/1 @ 10:57 am #
C’mon hoot, share what those voices in your head are saying!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 10:57 am #
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 10:53 am #
Oh how you can justify any and every hateful position under the sun.
What hateful positions are those, hoot?
Why all the hateful Rethuglican ones of course.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 10:58 am #
Can’t rest. That didn’t last long.
hoot, what “hate” did you spot?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 10:58 am #
“What hateful positions are those, hoot?”
- We mean, hateful Americans, want to prevent illegals from coming to America so they exercise their Constitutional rights and vote.
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 10:59 am #
I certainly hate nasty pointy hooky things, and by now the dentist at the other end of them.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:00 am #
You claim to not be racist, bigoted, hatemongering homophobes but somehow your positions manage to mirror theirs quite nicely. I put it down to a neat trick of self-delusion and twisted justifications melded with self-hatered plus extreme unhappiness and fear. No matter. Lisa will soon decide you are worthless and quit this place and you can go back to launching hateful screeds against all things different without the onerous weight of having someone around you claim to respect yet really hate.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:01 am #
Given that Lisa
won’t saydoesn’t know who’s supporting O!, or for what reason, perhaps no less an authority than O!supportersknowers-about can answer the question for her:Pretty nervy of Gallup to ask such a thing. Anyway, as a non-black, I know I’m unqualified to make such an observation about fact, but perhaps somebody else with proper qualifications could interpret?
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 11:02 am #
What positions are those, hoot? Put up or shut up.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 8/1 @ 11:04 am #
What hateful positions are those, hoot?
Why all the hateful Rethuglican ones of course.
Must be the “well-known” and “well-recognized” ones that I wish someone would publish so I can use them in my comments.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:05 am #
Cool. So, give me an example.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:05 am #
fuck off, Pablo. The “debate” here is utterly laughable. In fact, it is entertainment. Why should I mess with a good thing?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 11:07 am #
“You claim to not be racist, bigoted, hatemongering homophobes but somehow your positions manage to mirror theirs quite nicely….”
- From which logic we can therefore assume you’d also agree with rhis statement about the Lefts “positions” in things:
You claim to not be elitist, bigoted, asocial, and anti-religious Christophobes in the same tradition of Fascists, Atheists, Anarchists, and Marxists but somehow your positions manage to mirror theirs quite nicely.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 11:09 am #
This isn’t a debate hoot. This is you flinging poo and being called on it. You haven’t offered anything to debate. So, why don’t you fuck off, seeing as how you have nothing to say but keep saying it anyway? We could put it to a vote if you like.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 11:09 am #
Hey hoot here’s the debate that posters here are having:
Is hoot a sniveling pointless idiotic douchebag with not one thing to back up any of his idiotic juvenile inarticulate stupidity, is he a bed-wetting child on summer vacation with nothing to do until junior high starts again, or a little bit from both columns? It’s a tough call with evidence pointing so strongly to either side of the debate.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:10 am #
I can’t speak for Pablo, but how about because as a racist, bigoted, hatemongering homophobe I (for one) really want you to. Please?
Comment by motionview on 8/1 @ 11:11 am #
This post set me thinking about contrived moments. I wonder if any MSM outlet will take a hard look at Pfleger jumping under the bus so that O! could quit that church. Clearly he had to leave, if he just quit he would have looked very weak, if a black preacher gave the “get out of church” sermon he would have completely alienated his base. I’d love to know if he and Pfleger explicitly contrived that, or if Pfleger saved O’s campaign on his own. And now of course any mention of that church, Jeremiah Wright, Black Liberation Theology etc. is old news, gutter politics, and rascist.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:12 am #
Seriously hoot, clearly you’e been taught something. But it’s incorrect, even wrong. So open your mind, question it, and see how and why. It’s enlightening.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 11:15 am #
Projection! It’s what’s for dinner!
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 11:17 am #
Oh, now this is funny.
Whoever’s idea it was to hire Goldfarb into the McCain camp is to be commended. Delightful!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:18 am #
hoot do you prefer aderol or valium?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 11:19 am #
- JH, you know as well as anyone that the moonbats are not allowed to ever question the Narrativeâ„¢.
- Think a few thousand Piranhas riping apart a hapless oxen in an Amazon river.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 8/1 @ 11:21 am #
hoot do you prefer aderol or valium?
Huffing soiled diapers is my guess!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 11:24 am #
Dungeons and Dragons players don’t rant like a Kossite – they use words like ’smite’ and ‘lightning bolt’.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:27 am #
Let me ask a question. Do you guys have jobs? For a group of people who try to defend the traditional American way of life from those awful commie liberals and negros, you sure do have alot of free time on your hands. I mean, I’m off today. But what about you guys? Using company computers for political blogging? Or are you like Jeff and can spend the day lifting weights?
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 8/1 @ 11:28 am #
hoot: “You claim to not be racist, bigoted, hatemongering homophobes but somehow your positions manage to mirror theirs quite nicely.”
Are you so blinkered as to believe there is but a singular basis for opposing the “punch and judy” show of an apology for slavery?
hoot: “fuck off, Pablo. ”
Ah, the brilliance and tolerance of liberal debate… bravo!
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:31 am #
Self-employed, hoot, three times over if you actually want to count entities and contracts. Kinda sticks in your craw, doesn’t it?
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:32 am #
DC : Ah, the brilliance and tolerance of liberal debate… bravo!
I’m sorry if I give what I get. When all arguments are made in bad faith, why bother?
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 11:32 am #
So hoot managed to hoodwink someone into taking his shift at the drive-thru window today?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:32 am #
“For a group of people who try to defend the traditional American way of life from those awful commie liberals and negros”
Seriously, what are you on????
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:33 am #
I am indeed counting entities and contracts! Well done.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/1 @ 11:34 am #
The New York Times brand is getting so cheap and sleazy. It’s not even newspaper Keds now, demoted from a newspaper Nike stature. It’s more like Enron I think. And more a newsletter than a for real newspaper. And their ideas are not intriguing.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:34 am #
Good, hoot, because you’re missing all the other important stuff. But that does tend to put things into perspective. Well done.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 11:35 am #
Seriously, what are you on????
I’m guessing his last year of middle school or in between the first and second year of some really shitty college.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:35 am #
If you think your arguments are in good faith, (when you are saying anyone that thinks in a way you do not like is racist) or evil), you should lay down the gravity bong for a while. Seriously, give it up for a week.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:37 am #
Cool thing about this site, hoot, is that you can link back to specific comments, including all the ones made in bad faith.
So speaking of bad faith, be a hero to Teh Cause. Link.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:37 am #
He is either still in college or in his first 3 years of toil at a non-profit before he figures out it is a pyramid scheme.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:37 am #
More fanciful imaginations at work here. If I’m such a layabout college loser, what do each of you do for a living? Productive members of society, I’m sure. What did I hear earlier? “Put up or shut up”?
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 11:37 am #
Slicing the bottom off of those 2-liter bottles does take some manual skill though.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:38 am #
How fanciful is it, hoot, to imagine others as things they are simply not?
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:39 am #
So. You are not a productive member of society? Not surprised.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 11:40 am #
“Let me ask a question. Do you guys have jobs? For a group of people who try to defend the traditional American way of life from those awful commie liberals and negros…..”
- Retired after 47 years of work in industry, and still working as an independent consultant. You?
- BTW, You’re not a Liberal, you’re a SecProg which is a totally different thing in spite of trying to hide behind false labels. You wouldn’t know true Liberalism if it stuck its head up your ass and gave you a kidney exam.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 11:40 am #
hoot came and fertilized the garden, not realizing that this isn’t a garden. To think hoops paid those illegals $5.00/hr. for the wrong place. Shame, that.
hoops has lots of manure, though.
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 8/1 @ 11:40 am #
hoot: “I’m sorry if I give what I get. When all arguments are made in bad faith, why bother?”
Stuff and nonsense, hoot. First of all, if you’re going to lay claim to moral superiority, you’re more or less obligated to behave in such a fashion — you don’t get the high ground without making a few sacrifices.
Your habit to gloss over / ignore difficult questions, even when presented civilly, also does not serve your cause.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:40 am #
No hoot I do not know what you do, actually I do not really care either. I am just making fun of you. That is really all you came here for anyway.
PS. You probably are in the college chess club, Dungeons and Dragons group, and your World of Warcraft character could kill everyong in here if it was real.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 11:41 am #
“I put it down to a neat trick of self-delusion and twisted justifications melded with self-hatered plus extreme unhappiness and fear.”
Damn, Lensman Hoot can read minds.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 11:41 am #
Two of them, along with a couple of unpaid positions and some freelance stuff. I also have 3 computers and an internet capable mobile device. Now it’s my turn to ask a question, Do you have a fucking point, hoot?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 11:41 am #
I took the day off, hooter. Why do you care?
Just go ahead and cite the “hatemongering” you see around here, ‘k?
Comment by Roland THTG on 8/1 @ 11:42 am #
I am very important, and I get paid a lot of money for it.
Your turn, although no one gives a
hootshit.Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:43 am #
Right you are, hoot. That thing you say I am — as I predicted not 60 seconds prior — I simply am not.
Fish. Barrel. Howitzer.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:43 am #
BBH – That’s fantastic! Not drawing social security I hope! Otherwise, you’d be a hypocrite.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 11:44 am #
All lefties can read minds. It’s one of the more amazing things about them.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:44 am #
No Pablo, I don’t. Just curious. That’s a shitload of computers, though.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 11:47 am #
Just as I suspected, you hatemongering prick. BTW, I think owning two desktops and a laptop is not terribly uncommon.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:47 am #
You guys do realize this idiot just came in here to insult everyone and be made fun of in turn? Good faith arguments are not “You are all racist” or “You evil Rethuglican trolls want to kill old and poor people while bathing in their red red blood”.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 8/1 @ 11:48 am #
See? He just knows a person’s position on Social Security. It’s like freaking magic!
Comment by Teddy 08! on 8/1 @ 11:49 am #
Comment by serr8d: Glenn Beck did a hilarious ‘reading’ of Ludacris’ c Rap yesterday. Unfortunately, only a transcript is available to non-subscribers (a shame, because that’s something I’d like to hear again).
Serr8d, I clicked on the link, and it’s a hoot even in print!
Whatever else you think about this thing, please acknowledge that if anyone even tangentially associated with McCain did a performance directing equivalent misogyny, cruelty, and racism toward Obama and the Left [e.g., "We'll paint the White House whiter"], McCain’s campaign would be toast. The fact that Obama’s is not yet is proof positive of media bias. In fact, I think they’re so far beyond bias that we need a whole new word.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 11:49 am #
“I’m sorry if I give what I get. When all arguments are made in bad faith, why bother?â€Â
Ah, here we fined the reactionary leftist in the wild: uninformed arrogance punctuated with preening self-importance.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:50 am #
I beat up anti-war protestors and hippies by the Vietnam memorial for a living hoot. It is a small service I perform for Haliburton and get paid a hefty sum for each one I pummel into unconsciousness.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 11:51 am #
hoot needs to tell Miguel that he missed a spot. Vamanos!
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:52 am #
Pablo, I’d say I owned three plus laptop but hoot may immediately and unavoidably fall victim to a vision of flying unicorns taking over Ireland on behalf of the Jooos.
As a compassionate conservative, I cannot — in good faith — say such a thing.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 11:53 am #
When it comes to changing other’s minds about a subject you do a heck of ajob, hootie.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 11:53 am #
- Matter of fact hoot, what would be really hypocritical is if you ever draw SS, because I already payed for you. Now as as show of gratitude, you get to sit on your feckless ass and hurl childish insults at people who have payed your freight.
- mature? Intelligent? ….not so much.
- But we always expect a troll from the Left to exhaust their “debate” commentary in a few bullshit talking points, and then spin off into ad homs, just as you have.
Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:53 am #
So, Mr. Pink lives with his mother. check.
[Everyone wave and say hello to heet! .... note from Dar]
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 11:53 am #
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:50 am #
How do you get rid of the patchouli stink?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 11:55 am #
“#Comment by hoot on 8/1 @ 11:53 am #
So, Mr. Pink lives with his mother. check.”
You’re powers are uncanny, Lensman hoot.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 11:55 am #
Doesn’t matter, Pink, because hoot just rendered your comments null and especially void.
Next!
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 11:56 am #
Near the crocuses hoot needs to cut his manure with 1/3 peat moss and a little limestone. Miguel doesn’t like the smell but Cami will mix anything. He’s kind of immune to hoot’s manure and will spread it anywhere in any configuration. Unfortunately, Cami leaves urine stains on the lawns. He’s been warned but to no avail.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 11:56 am #
315. That’s a coincidence. I get paid to hurl ground beef at PETA protesters, courier the Klan’s drycleaning (can’t put hoods in the washer you know), manage Stormfront’s ISP, determine timetables for when hoot is ready to start on solid food and get rid of rubber pants, and engineer all the wiretapping after I get the complete Democratic party voter registration lists so I know my clientele. I’m also a war profiteer.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 11:58 am #
No actually dumbass I work for a government contracting company now that I have moved into the IRR from the Army. Anything else you need to know douchebag?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 12:00 pm #
Dammit Shabaaz I sent my application to them too and they turned me down. I even had prior experience wtf!!!
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:00 pm #
I don’t like it when hoot argues with the supplier about the organic elements in his manure. hoot can be very loud and a little condenscending about his manure coming from those happy cows he sees on TV. You know, the California ones who play football and do funny pranks and give jolly cheese. hoot sees that as true organic and no sweaty eye-talian garden supply guy is going to fool him, no sir.
Oh, no, Cami’s peeing on the lawn again.
Comment by Education Guy on 8/1 @ 12:01 pm #
Stop hating hoot, it tarnishes your moral superiority.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 12:01 pm #
Oh, and hoot is so employed.
Engineering high-speed goalposts done up in lovely shades of pearlescent appeals to traditional leftist postmodern ridicule.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:02 pm #
326. As if that sniveling little twatbag hoot would even know what the IRR is.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 12:04 pm #
isn’t hoot precious? I mean, he is the perfect example of the McCarthyite left.
First, he accuses those with whom he does not agree with the charge of racism. Second, he states that any defense to the charge is proof of racism.
Then third, when he begins to realize neither #1 or #2 is working, that the target isn’t cringing or being socially ostracized he comes out, all sinister-like with “how come you’re on a blog during work hours” with the implication that he is going to tell your boss and get you into trouble.
Yep, hoot is a real precious piece of work – a bully with a taste for McCarthyite tactics.
Doin’ a heck of a job here, hootie.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:04 pm #
330. He also has to decide which stuffed animal is appropriate after the winner knocks all of the milk bottles down.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 12:05 pm #
No shit? I’m the guy plinking them with KFC’s popcorn chicken, though I was enlisted into that volunteer position by an appeal to my notions of public service.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:05 pm #
I’ll lket you in on a secret: Miguel and Cami don’t like working for hoot. Tghey’s wuit and work for someone else but they are illegals and hoot makes such a big deal of helping them out that they are afraid he’ll term them in as ingrates. They get really uncomfortable with him and his helping and them always showing up in the worng place to spread the manure, organic or not.
Could be this is why Cami pees on the lawns. His own little prtest is all I’m saying. miguel just shakes his head and sneaks chemical ferilizer into the manure that hoot has them spread, which is wrong s o don’t tell hoot.
Cami’s doing number 2 behind the rhody.
Comment by Pablo on 8/1 @ 12:08 pm #
Oh, and free chicken.
Comment by JHoward on 8/1 @ 12:10 pm #
Backed with Form 9H4555-e/17Hwrt.4002, Section 14.6/b? Come on Pablo. There are clauses, man.
On the other hand, all we need are the right people running things.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:12 pm #
mmmm…I love a nice bucket with a side of activism extra crispy.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 12:12 pm #
- Having the Illusion of “teh Moral Authority” gives the Komrads of the hivemind a pass so they can use words like “negro” with immunity. Probably gives him a little tingle up his leg.
- Problem is the race card is going the way of Lava lamps and pocket protectors, and the Black American community is seeing how they’ve been used as vote cattle by the Dembulbs all these years.
- When the race card is finally put out to pasture the Left will deflate like a week old party balloon.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:14 pm #
I think the INS caught up with hoot, Miguel, and Cami. No more brown spots on the PW lawn, is all.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 8/1 @ 12:15 pm #
Anytime you want to tell us what you do for a living hoot, and if you do in fact live with your mother, you can go ahead.
Comment by Miguel on 8/1 @ 12:15 pm #
Well if you bastards would just install a fucking port-a-potty or something…
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 12:16 pm #
BBH they’ll find something else to use in its place.
The left loves those McCarthyite tactics. So easy! And the victim helps you too!
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 12:17 pm #
- Shut your pie hole Miguel, or I’ll start deducting taxes on your paycheck.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:19 pm #
The Left needs racism so that they can always be heard taking the brave noble stand of being against racism. It’s not in their interest to have the racial divide close. Thus where it does not exist, it must be invented. And in almost every case where they invent it they’re so f’n lacking in self-awareness that they fail to see the projection of their own putrid, gutter level race-based assumptions and stereotypes. I’ve mentioned before a white coworker who thought he was so “down” that he had no qualms about calling J.C. Watts an Uncle Tom. When I asked him if he thought that because Watts didn’t conform to the way he demanded black people collectively as a race are supposed to think, he got huffy and left the room.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/1 @ 12:21 pm #
As I’m half German, I’m responsible for at least 75% of all the hatred and oppression in the world, so I demand hoot denounce me.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 12:23 pm #
- Well Mikey, when the race card fails, and middle America finally realizes that the class war is really directed against them, the Left will always have Paris, by which I mean they can all move there.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 12:29 pm #
Francophobe!
That doesn’t sound so good, does it? Huh, mister? Try defending yourself from that charge! Yeah! Now all the guys in the art galleries and coffee shops are gonna give you the cold-shoulder, you Francophobe, you! When I get done you won’t be able to get a baguette in this town!
Cringe before my mighty accusation, oh Rethuglikkkan evil-doer that does…evil!
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 12:35 pm #
- You’re one order of “American fries” too late Mikey. BJT, JD, JHoward, Pablo, and myself have already Uber-denounced ourselves. Not sure about Ed Guy or Mr Pink, maybe they’re still “shun-able”.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:38 pm #
349. I humbly admit my fear and loathing of tight-fitting horizontal-striped shirts, Godard movies, berets, Flaubert novels, student riots, and escargot.
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:39 pm #
I got Cami to condemn me. For the authenticity. He peed on my shoes, which was an authentic touch.
Comment by londonamerican on 8/1 @ 12:40 pm #
leave barack ALONE!! he’s HUMAN! he’s making america the coolest place. but all you care about is votes!
http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/1 @ 12:41 pm #
Minister Jack,
Not even a mention of Jerry Lewis? Surely you can spare some loathing?
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:41 pm #
Baguettes are homophobic.
Comment by Minister Jack X Klompus Africa-Muhammad Ali Shabazz on 8/1 @ 12:43 pm #
SACRE BLEU! J’AI OUBLIE MONSIEUR LE GERARD LOUIS!!
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/1 @ 12:48 pm #
This makes them faire le oui-oui dans ses culottes.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/1 @ 12:48 pm #
Je me rends. Je me dénonce.
Now, hoot, snap it up with that latte (“rapidement avec ce latte”), m’kay?
Comment by BJTex on 8/1 @ 12:54 pm #
Does this mean that hoot, Miguel and Cami will be spreading merde?
Mon Dieu!
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/1 @ 12:55 pm #
Je crois que M. hoot est parti du bâtiment.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 1:02 pm #
Why did the French plat trees along all their roads?
Because the Germans like to march in the shade.
Comment by Carin on 8/1 @ 1:03 pm #
Man, I go to work for a few yards and look what happens.
And you did it all w/o nishi.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 8/1 @ 1:06 pm #
Ils sont un groupe de fromage mangeant des singes de reddition.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 1:12 pm #
Neither your pre-and-continuing self-denouncements, nor the denouncements of your hirelings, will save you from the awful charges I have laid at you!
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
What’s that? (is handed piece of paper) Blast!
Nevermind.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 8/1 @ 1:14 pm #
Thank you, Carin.
We are trained BS artists after all.
Comment by Neo on 8/1 @ 1:19 pm #
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/1 @ 1:34 pm #
As I noted in another thread, the moon griefers may be a tad more hissy-fit than usual today. O! has lost the phoney 9 point bump his adoring press awarded him after the Euro-show, and Gallop has it at a 44% tie today.
Comment by Sdferr on 8/1 @ 2:30 pm #
Just watched the newest McCain ad contra Baracky, probably entitled “The One” and YOIKS what a skewer. See it here:
http://tinyurl.com/68bods
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 2:31 pm #
Ok you ignorant Americans… enough with the frenchie dialogue.. stick to the narrative and use the only two words that King of the World O! has authorized us to use… “Merci Beaucoup” …..
Comment by Ouroboros on 8/1 @ 2:33 pm #
… You want the rest of the world to figure out that a lot of us are bilingual or
something?
Comment by SarahW on 8/1 @ 2:39 pm #
#365
Dennis Haysbert unavailable for comment.
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 8/1 @ 7:35 pm #
Ouroboros: “Ok you ignorant Americans… enough with the frenchie dialogue.. stick to the narrative and use the only two words that King of the World O! has authorized us to use… “Merci Beaucoup†…..”
Och, aye, ye kin fekoff, Sassenach.
Comment by Patrick Chester on 8/1 @ 11:29 pm #
“Apologize for slavery? Why don’t you homo sapiens sapiens apologize for wiping out the Neandertals, hmm? Let the healing begin!” -Thoggar of the Lion Clan
(Have I taken this premise of apologizing to the most ridiculous point yet, or did I just give the Dems another idea?)
Comment by elaine kew on 8/2 @ 12:41 am #
i’m voting for obama, that said, i voted for mccain in 2000. mccain lost my ‘08 vote when he (and the other two) folded like a house of cards on the eve, literally, of the senate campaign season 2006. torture:brought to you by the family values party. i cried for three days–my sister calls me “a bleeding heart liberal”, sounds about right–but i felt such despair at the cynicism* and the shameful vote that resulted. as i watch the campaign i see mccain tossing any number of his “principled positions” under the bus.
does anyone seriously doubt obama’s words? isn’t he speaking the truth? there have been racially tinged no, neon colored (!), comments all over the web ever since obama threw his hat into the ring. attempting to scare people away from this risky barrack HUSSEIN osama is exactly what they’re doing! does anyone believe they aren’t? i don’t think, and obama didn’t say, that these efforts are necessarily coming from mccains campaign, but isn’t that exactly what’s happening?
obama hasn’t ” played the race card”, it’s BEEN played! eak.
Comment by elaine kew on 8/2 @ 1:22 am #
i’m new to this blogging business (and old, to boot) but is name calling and ridicule (of any voice other than your own) part of the protocol?
i have a question, now that i’m on a mostly republican and christian site, can any one explain to me how the republicans get to call themselves the”family values party”? and since when did the “religious right” become our (apparent) moral arbitters. is it just because they called ‘first dibs’? is it because they’ve repeated it so often that they get to keep it? i just don’t see it.
i don’t see family values OR morality evidenced by the republican party except on two issues 1)abortion … one issue.
one last question, when did capitalism become a christian value?
o.k., i’m done. i hope someone answers these questions, they’ve been on my mind for awhile now. eak.
Comment by elaine kew on 8/2 @ 1:39 am #
i’m voting for obama, that said, i voted for mccain in 2000. mccain lost my ‘08 vote when he (and the other two) folded like a house of cards on the eve, literally, of the senate campaign season 2006. torture:brought to you by the family values party. i cried for three days–my sister calls me “a bleeding heart liberal”, sounds about right–but i felt such despair at the cynicism* and the shameful vote that resulted. as i watch the campaign i see mccain tossing any number of his “principled positions” under the bus.
does anyone seriously doubt obama’s words? isn’t he speaking the truth? there have been racially tinged no, neon colored (!), comments all over the web ever since obama threw his hat into the ring. attempting to scare people away from this risky barrack HUSSEIN osama is exactly what they’re doing! does anyone believe they aren’t? i don’t think, and obama didn’t say, that these efforts are necessarily coming from mccain’s campaign, but isn’t that exactly what’s been happening?
obama didn’t ‘play the race card’, it’s BEEN played! eak.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/2 @ 4:17 am #
Elaine,
If you think this is a Republican, Christian site, I don’t think you have been paying attention.
Comment by elaine kew on 8/2 @ 5:04 am #
dear silver whistle,
oh, how silly! you’re absolutely right. i don’t know what i was thinking when i wrote that…clearly my cognitive issues are getting the better of me.
thanks for saying something. eak.
(i’m not always that flaky…only sometimes.)
Comment by Silver Whistle on 8/2 @ 5:21 am #
Elaine,
To answer some of your points:
Name calling and ridicule are permissible if, like hoot, you indulge in drive-by trolling. Flinging poo like some zoo monkey will get you nowhere.
Many, if not most of the posters here, seem indeed to “seriously doubt obama’s words”. I know I do – I think he’s nothing but a slick machine pol that’s all mouth and no trousers. Your mileage obviously varies.
I have no idea where you are going with your straw man on the religious right and the Republican party being the family values party
Comment by thor on 8/2 @ 12:13 pm #
Hairwhoa, Reff.
Not to be always the pest, but, fuck it, why not.
Prior to your code-speak in post #189 I posted dates in 1870 and 1947 in my #183 posting. In 1870 blacks were given the right to vote and in 1947 Jackie Robinson made his debut in MLB. In my heart I figured the connection to that historic baseball date would channel my code-speak directly to your antennae and you might reply, which you did, but obviously oblivious to my code-to-code mating call. We were close. (Testing 1,2,3 – an image of a cigar is in my head, did you see one too?)
If the American experience is a prejudicial one, wherein you have suffered a share of this great societal prejudice, which I don’t doubt, why are you not recognizing the great take away? I refer to the Jim Crow laws (I know you know where I’m going). What we gaveth the Negroish on papereth we yankeed awayeth in realitius. Love Negro long time we did not. Boom Boom Negro long time we did, emphasis on “long time.”
About the time blacks were told they could vote Goldman Sachs was breaking down the no-Jews-allowed wall on Wall Street in 1869. Similar dates, yes, equal in any other level or any other respect, No Fricking Way. Jews were not sold on the auction block by the pound. And Jews were allowed to hit a ball with a wooden stick in Yankee stadium long before Jackie stole home. I’m groupifying for reality’s sake.
I don’t generalize to mollify. When I said “unique” I meant unique.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/2 @ 12:22 pm #
Baseball is nice. But the pop charts tell a different story. We maybe has overcompensated is the story they tell. It’ll work itself out I figure.
Comment by TomB on 8/2 @ 1:30 pm #
thor, did you ever get around to listing O!’s accomplishments or reasons to vote for him?
Comment by thor on 8/4 @ 2:08 am #
I put ‘em in Wikipedia.
Comment by Neo on 8/5 @ 6:07 am #
Time – Verbatim – For the week of Feb. 28 – Mar. 6, 2005