The consequences of “progessive” nonsense in a Frisco nutshell
The mayor and others are now admiting what the grand jury reported - that a majority of those on the streets are not homeless. The head of the city’s homeless program, Dariush Kayhan, estimates that 50 to 75 percent of street people live in supportive housing.
Oh my, homeless who - addled, cynical or other - take advantage of their situation. Whodda thunk it?
I mean other than the ninny proggs who live in places like San Francisco.
In short, the jury is reflecting the views of many San Franciscans who made the choice to live here. They understood that housing and taxes would be higher, and so would the cost of a meal in a restaurant. They understand and believe that the city needs to provide for its poorest homeless residents and don’t begrudge what the grand jury says is $186 million a year in city funds spent to finance homeless programs.
But, they ask, can’t someone stop the panhandling? And, given all the programs and services, is it unreasonable to ask those who are being given supportive housing to start making some effort to be self-sufficient?
What is it with “compassionate” ninnies who can’t see what any reasonable parent of a five year old, or a fifteen year old, deals with on a daily basis? Ignoring, excusing, or enabling bad behavior never cures it.
And, of course, these ninnies don’t look around to see they’ve pretty much driven the middleclass out of the city.
“I understand that the public is frustrated,” said Jeff Kositsky, executive director of the Community Housing Partnership, which has over 950 residents in supportive housing. “But it is easy to demonize people when you don’t know them.”
Can I just slap the bitch silly now? Please? Puh-leeeze?
The fact is, despite a supportive housing effort that has gotten national attention, the streets don’t seem that much better.
Well, DOAH. The chronic homeless are either mentally ill or addicts. You cannot persuade or bribe them to give up their bad behavior. The chronic homeless, rationally or irrationally, choose to return to the streets regardless of where they lay their heads at night. Why is this such a fucking epiphany to Friscans?
Hmmmm … Maybe because they are used to bad behavior?
Asked if it was possible to raise the standard of conduct for city-supported residents, one political insider wished supporters the best of luck.
“We can’t get the Board of Supervisors to pass a code of conduct for themselves,” he said, “let alone for the homeless.”
Word.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/18 @ 9:26 pm #
For one thing, if you live under a roof, people make you pee in a toilet. Fuckers.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 7/18 @ 9:27 pm #
I live in supportive briefs. The housing is more of a crushing weight.
Maybe I’ll move to Frisco.
Comment by poppa india on 7/18 @ 9:58 pm #
Right away Mr. Kositsky sets up a good vs bad scenario by describing those who are concerned with the situation as “demonizing” the people they are concerned about. He doesn’t seem to consider the possibility that those who wish panhandlers & street people to cease their behavior, might also wish them to have better lives then hanging out on the streets. This is yet another example of someone trying to control the narrative to fit their political view. My ex and our teenage son returned from a week in San Francisco recently & they, who are no strangers to large cities, were struck by the number & aggressiveness of those on the streets.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/18 @ 9:59 pm #
Homeless people are a problem. They’re dysfunctional. I think you can say that without demonizing them. For real you have to make being homeless harder instead of easier if you want to help them. There’s helping and then there’s enabling. And really there’s a point at which people have a responsibility to move away from where the homeless people are. There’s just a very real way in which city’s evolve places where they don’t feel comfortable. Live there.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/18 @ 10:00 pm #
I meant cities.
Comment by dre on 7/18 @ 10:01 pm #
Shoot the leftist propagandists
reportersComment by Ouroboros on 7/18 @ 10:06 pm #
I’m sick to death of the drunks, addicts and grifters**..Worthless human offal. Seattle might as well be called Little Frisco.. I say put strings on any help they receive..Outlaw vagrancy, panhandling and loitering..and enforce it vigorously. For those that need housing, need food, need medical help, need help with an addiction.. we give it to them with the provision that they take steps toward self sufficiency in a defined time-frame.. Those that don’t turn it around get a couple warnings then we turn them into Soylent Green… or maybe just generic fertilizer cause I wouldn’t eat them.
Not even joking.
(**The mentally ill are another story and need help.. It’s inhumane to have them walking the streets..)
Comment by Scrapiron on 7/18 @ 10:09 pm #
A lot of ‘homeless’ people with a good corner make more money than the ’stupidvisors’. On the street in the day, home in luxary at night. Vacations in Hawaii anually. To them it’s making a good living without any responsibility. The mentally ill should be locked up but the lame brain democrats made that impossible over the years.
Comment by lunarpuff on 7/18 @ 10:09 pm #
The homeless in SF are so aggressive and mentally ill I think they are a public health concern.
Not trying to demonize them.
Comment by dicentra on 7/18 @ 10:15 pm #
The chronic homeless are either mentally ill or addicts.
Or… something else:
Comment by easyliving1 on 7/18 @ 10:28 pm #
Consequences?
Who gives a damn about consequences?
If it makes ME feel good, then you do it.
Comment by easyliving1 on 7/18 @ 10:31 pm #
If, for example, my home gets invaded, repeatededly, then the only consequences I care about don’t matter, as long as the invaders aren’t Hitler.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/18 @ 11:08 pm #
Tcha. Ric’s Rule #1: It ain’t that simple.
Trailers for sale or rent
Room to let, fifty cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain’t got no cigarettes
Ah, but two hours of pushin’ broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I’m a man of means by no means
King of the road
Can you imagine a world where every word of that was true? It was, once upon a time in the parallel world I stepped out of one day. (I want to go home, he wailed) Cities were full of failed hotels and down-at-the-heels apartment buildings, and yes, two hours of not-too-horrid grunt labor would buy a place to flop, and another hour a filling meal.
But the buildings didn’t meet code, and anyway the real estate developers wanted to rent to the upwardly mobile, and the city government wanted sparkling edifices like the Emerald City. Worn-down flophouses weren’t in the plans. And Lyndon and Dick wanted to pay for the war, so when the numbers went up and so did the taxes they smiled — but now two bits an hour was two and a half bucks, well up into Social Security and deductions and the whole bit. The warehouse owner couldn’t just toss you half a buck out of petty cash for sweeping up the rat turds; you had to go to the temp agency, which could fill out the paperwork. Most people nowadays have no recollection of a time when twenty thousand dollars a year was bordering on plutocrat territory.
In that milieu — prior to, say, 1965 — “the homeless” weren’t much trouble, least of all to themselves. There were plenty of cracks and interstices in society, in which they could fit and hide themselves from sight. The new buildings are much more hygienic and contribute a lot more to the tax rolls, but there’s no place for eight-by-twelve two-bit rooms in a Mies van der Rohe glass box. Dumping the insane on the streets exacerbated the problem, but like most of the really intractable difficulties in America today most of it can be traced right back to real estate agents.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by happyfeet on 7/18 @ 11:15 pm #
The perfect is the enemy of the good I think. I didn’t make that up.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 7/18 @ 11:31 pm #
For real you have to make being homeless harder instead of easier if you want to help them. There’s helping and then there’s enabling.
HF hit it. I had a friend that worked in administration at a local soup kitchen and of course they had all kinds of programs to try and help people. The dirty little secret she said is most of the people want to be homeless and don’t want the help to get out of the situation. The like it for various reasons but the overwhelming reason was no responsibilities.
Recognizing this as happy says will go a long way.
Comment by panther girl on 7/19 @ 12:21 am #
The progg haven town that I live in is filled with programs for the homeless. If anyone is on the street here, it’s because they want to be. Still, about once a month someone writes a letter to the editor that because we have many more homeless folks than our “quota” in the pacific northwest, we need to fund more services. It never really occurs to them that that’s what attracts the vagrants in the first place. That, and our annual “nudie and druggie” fair. Which just ended so the streets are filled with even more drugged-out “free lovers” than usual. That probably explains why I’ve been preaching at all my friends and my poor kid about responsibility so much lately.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 7/19 @ 4:54 am #
Well, there we have it.
Why should I be ashamed of being a total, clueless, ass licking moron? I am proud to be an illiterate asshole, and GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!, you fucking idiots that are stupid enough to have any true self esteem and work your ass off to make a living! What a bunch of suckers you are to try to be responsible, when Harry and Nancy are waving free money in your face!
It’s fucking MINE! MINE! MINE!!!!! If you don’t believe it, just ask Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi.
I can piss on your front door, and if you object, I will find a piece of shit lawyer and sue your ass off! How DARE YOU question me? I am too stupid to actually be a productive member of society, but it’s YOUR fault, you greedy fucking pigs! All teh money are mine!
And just where do you get the balls to question me? Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have made it abundantly clear that ridiculous, stupid, and mindless bullshit rules. Logical thought is out, baby!.
I am incredibly stupid, and proud of it, you stupid MoFos! Why should I be ashamed of anything I do when the network news will put my stupid, illiterate ass on TV, as if I had somrthing worthwhile to say?
Shit. It’s so early, and I was hoping to have a good day playing for some geezers ($$$$).
Maybe I should take a nap, and when I wake up, the world won’t be upside down any more.
But I’m not taking odds on it.
Comment by Rusty on 7/19 @ 5:52 am #
There’s a park in Costa Mesa Cal. where the local bu…homeless hangout and sleep all day. It’s right across the street from the Costa Mesa Police department.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/19 @ 6:03 am #
There’s a park in Costa Mesa Cal. where the local bu…homeless hangout and sleep all day. It’s right across the street from the Costa Mesa Police department.
Why would the police do anything? If they did, they would be demonized, or sued!
Comment by Joan of Argghh! on 7/19 @ 6:32 am #
This can’t get “>too <a href=”http://primordialslack.blogspot.com/2008/01/homeless-heartless.html”much attention. And for extra-added fun, see Gateway Pundit’s post from yesterday.
Too many people in social services are protecting their jobs by creating clients… a skill they learned from our politicians.
Comment by Joan of Argghh! on 7/19 @ 6:35 am #
Errr… sorry for that mess… What the heck happened? I blame the meds.
At any rate, it seems that the panhandling was the final straw at last, harshing the calm serenity of the proggies. They sound like a bunch of elitist, heartless Pubbies.
Comment by MamaAJ on 7/19 @ 7:23 am #
When I lived in Philly in the 1990’s, the homeless were people who obviously had serious problems of one kind or another. Visiting SF a few times, it was very different. There were groups of teenagers basically camping out in Golden Gate Park. I was unclear on why that was okay and laughing out loud at the idea of giving them money. Their lifestyle choice, ya know.
Comment by ThomasD on 7/19 @ 7:32 am #
Fixed
Comment by Darleen on 7/19 @ 8:17 am #
Joan
Amazing stories!!
Yep, too much scamming in the homeless demographic.
Comment by Log Cabin on 7/19 @ 8:39 am #
Why is it that the most beautiful places attract the craziest people to live there? San Francisco is the world’s largest outdoor insane asylum.
BTW, no one from California calls it “Frisco”. It’s a give-away that one is a complete foreigner, like saying “Or-a-gone” or “Ne-vahh-duh”.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:46 am #
Isn’t there (or is it used-to-be?) a sort of homeless-shuttle-bus-war going on between San Francisco and Portland? I recall visiting a friend in Portland a few years back and hearing him grumble about this human whirly-gig, invented, according to him, by officials in San Fran.
Comment by Darleen on 7/19 @ 9:15 am #
Log Cabin
I’m a native Angeleno …which, according to some No. Cals makes me a “foreigner”…heh.
(I say “Frisco” ‘cuz it drives them a bit nuttier)
Comment by geoffb on 7/19 @ 9:21 am #
“they’ve pretty much driven the middleclass out of the city.”
This is perhaps a “feature” not a “bug”. The end game for the left is a small aristocratic ruling class an a large dependent underclass. Nothing in between as that would imply a mobility from one class to another. Middleclassness is the hated enemy. Too bad they are needed to supply the money to fund it all.
Comment by poppa india on 7/19 @ 9:31 am #
That aristocratic ruling class had better remember that the dependent underclass is not always going to be grateful and friendly. If someday they decide they want to take more, will the middle class (police, fire, etc.) be there to stop them?
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Comment by Rusty on 7/19 @ 10:14 am #
#17
I just thought it was wonderfully ironic. You almost never see them on the beaches in Orange Co. which, should I choose that lifestyle, I would like to hang out.
Being from the midwest we just get the usual shopping cart pushing homeless having loud arguments with themselves.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 7/19 @ 10:59 am #
In the summer of 1999, I lived out of my car for more than 4 months after I was cut back to part time at work (it was a temporary thing, but I never guessed “temporary” would be 6 months), and the only other jobs I could find were basically graveyard shift at 7-11 (I did that once before. Never again). I’d rent a $20-a-night room two or three times a week so I could take a shower.
I never even thought of asking a stranger for money.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 7/19 @ 11:03 am #
That aristocratic ruling class had better remember that the dependent underclass is not always going to be grateful and friendly.
Yes. They should look into the fate of the intellectual class under Pol Pot to see how that works out.
The middle class provides the funding for the bread and circuses. No middle class = no bread.
Comment by Ouroboros on 7/19 @ 12:53 pm #
Log Cabin: So what do they commonly call San Francisco now if not Frisco? I mean, Savage has pretty much got a lock on San FranSicko.
(I grew up in Cal but was also a S.Californian)
Comment by Eric on 7/19 @ 4:27 pm #
Rusty, as a former beach employee I can tell you why. When I worked there the beach closed at midnight, and the cops would harass everyone until they left, homeless or not. One time I ran across a guy actually asleep in a closed dumpster after hours, and he begged me not to tell the police.
Beaches are big money for the local cities. You won’t find much tolerance for anything that affects tourism.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 6:19 pm #
Yeah, like oil derricks off the coast.
Comment by TmjUtah on 7/19 @ 8:06 pm #
SDferr -
No tourist to offend, sir.
They can’t afford to travel, you see.
Oh, and FRISCO!
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:10 pm #
Yeah, I noted that about Florida yesterday on another thread, TmjUtah. link to same http://tinyurl.com/5gwrt5
Comment by Rusty on 7/20 @ 6:09 am #
Oh! Thanks Eric. I figured it was something like that. Word of advice for anyone visiting Chicago; lower Whacker Drive is a homelesss hangout and cosequently an open toilet. Don’t get out of your car if you can help it.
Comment by Rusty on 7/20 @ 8:00 am #
‘consequently’
I have no excuse.