Former CIA mole in Iranian military speaks out on what he knows, at Pajamas Media.
Whatever will the Proggs say about this fundamentalist millenarianism?
It is not an exaggeration to claim that the radicals belonging to the secretive society called “Hojjatieh,†who are devoted to the 12th Imam, have taken control of all vital positions in Iran. Ayatollah Janati, the head of the Guardian Council in charge of interpreting the constitution, supervising elections, and approving of candidates running for public office, has been very vocal about his opposition to the West: “We are anti-American and we are America’s enemy,†and “Non-Muslims are animals roaming the planet.†They believe that the 12th Imam supports their agenda of obtaining nuclear weapons and destroying Israel in order to start the chaos necessary for the final destruction of what they see as American imperialism and Israeli Zionism.
Comment by David R. Block on 7/8 @ 10:27 am #
Delusions of grandeur or just flat out deluded?
You make the call.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 10:30 am #
Gee, then I guess we’ll have to take what Dinnerjacket says seriously. Sy Hersh, what say you?
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 10:35 am #
“Non-Muslims are animals roaming the planet.â€Â
Little tip for the O-Meister: This would probably be a good point to start negotiations.
Comment by The Ghost of Josef Stalin on 7/8 @ 10:36 am #
I esecally like the part about the Syrians. Barbara Walter’s realtionship with him reminds me of my relationship with Duranty…and every other member of the western press I ever met.
Comment by The Ghost of Josef Stalin on 7/8 @ 10:38 am #
Sorry that should be “especially”, you running dog capitalists try typing with your fingers all decomposed and shit…
Comment by Karl on 7/8 @ 10:38 am #
1. It’s Bush’s fault
2. We backed the Shah
Comment by SarahW on 7/8 @ 10:40 am #
1. Thanks be to Jimmy Carter
2. Look what great stuff you get without a Shah.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/8 @ 10:43 am #
They believe that the 12th Imam supports their agenda of obtaining nuclear weapons and destroying Israel…
This is true. The 12th Imam is a lot supportive of Iran having nuclear weapons. It’s not just Santa Claus advocating for this anymore. It’s sort of snowballed into a whole movement, but nothing a little chit-chat can’t nip in the bud, and these are exactly the kind of people Baracky has experience dealing with.
Comment by SarahW on 7/8 @ 10:43 am #
Totally you have no gays if there is no Shah.
Also, women keep their whore mouths shut when men are talking.
What else?
Comment by Neo on 7/8 @ 10:44 am #
If I read this right, the Iranians predict Obama, the “Dajjal†(AKA the False Messiah), will win, but will be destroyed by Mahdi, the 12th imam.
Comment by Ouroboros on 7/8 @ 10:47 am #
Is there some good reason that D-boys havent visited these guys yet?
Comment by Neo on 7/8 @ 10:51 am #
No wonder that Obama, the “Dajjalâ€Â, is so big on “service”.
Charlie Rangel may finally get that draft he has been trying to get for years now.
Comment by SarahW on 7/8 @ 10:56 am #
It’s not just Santa Claus advocating for this anymore.
Maybe we get that Christmas tree that won’t light on one side fixed. I think O! could arrange it.
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 10:57 am #
Shiites believe the reappearance of the 12th Imam will bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world. They believe he will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos. It is believed the chaos will start in Afghanistan and then move into Iraq, where there will be blood and destruction everywhere (already in the works) and from there to the world with burning dark clouds (nuclear war). The 12th Imam will then come to destroy the “Dajjal,†the False Messiah, free the world from oppression and aggression, and then bring justice where it will be heaven on earth for many years to come. It is said Jesus will reappear at the same time and fight alongside Mahdi.
I am pretty sure that Israel is getting annoyed with always being in the middle of someone’s rivers-of-blood endtimes fantasies.
Maybe someone will write an Islamic version of the Left Behind series based on this 12th Imam shit.
Comment by Karl on 7/8 @ 10:58 am #
Oh, please. Christmas trees light themselves when O! enters a room.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:02 am #
Well how does this compare to our presidential candidates singing such sweet melodies as “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran”?
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 11:03 am #
No Karl, the angels (the ones that sing when Obama enters the room) light them.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:04 am #
- I think Hillery better get her ass in gear and not wait until ‘12. 2012 is shaping up to be an apocalyptic year.
- Lisa - something like “No Imam left behind”?.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 11:06 am #
Well how does this compare to our presidential candidates singing such sweet melodies as “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran�
I give it a six, and hard to dance to!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:07 am #
“They believe that the 12th Imam supports their agenda of obtaining nuclear weapons and destroying Israel…”
Are they saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curve ball?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:08 am #
“No Karl, the angels (the ones that sing when Obama enters the room) light them.”
- I thought he quit that congregation?
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 11:08 am #
Nice, BBH.
LOL, Seven.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:09 am #
“Are they saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curve ball?
- No. He can’t hit a 2 iron.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 11:10 am #
Well how does this compare to our presidential candidates singing such sweet melodies as “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran�
One is an off the cuff, play on words joke at a minor public appearance, and the other is the core philosophy of a religious movement governing millions of people. Clear enough?
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:12 am #
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 11:10 am #
Well how does this compare to our presidential candidates singing such sweet melodies as “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran�
One is an off the cuff, play on words joke at a minor public appearance, and the other is the core philosophy of a religious movement governing millions of people. Clear enough?
You think that is how they view it?
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/8 @ 11:15 am #
The same thing they’ve been saying all along: they’re all a bunch of liars.
Nobody could possibly believe that s*t, so in reality they’re complaining about oppression by The Man and reacting to American Imperialism, and anybody who promotes resistance to their program is just continuing the policies that are Why They Hate Us. The Correct Way to Respond™ is to recognize their valid complaints about past oppression, apologize for offenses given in the past, and yield to their perfectly reasonable demands as determined when they are Dealt With Honestly And Without Preconceptions™.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Ouroboros on 7/8 @ 11:17 am #
“Well how does this compare to our presidential candidates singing such sweet melodies as “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iranâ€Â?
I give it a six, and hard to dance to!”
I give it a 7 just because I dig McCain’s falsetto…
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:17 am #
“You think that is how they view it?”
- Iran view’s everything through a very tiny limited prism. But if they continue on their present course looking to aquire nuclear, several countries in the West will be forced to provide them with a brand new stock of molten glass so they can see the big picture.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 11:18 am #
I heard Imam’s are into show tunes!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:18 am #
“You think that is how they view it?”
How who views it jackass? I’ve had enough of you. You take that diaper off your head, put it back on your sister, and go sit in the corner. Your on time out.
After reading that guys report, I’d be more inclined to vote for McCain if everytime he was asked about Iran he started quietly singing, “Let the bodies hit the flo’ Let the bodies hit the flo.”
Comment by Pablo on 7/8 @ 11:19 am #
One is prescient, the other is delusional.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 11:20 am #
Lisa - I suspect that the Israeli version of that series would end with the IDF kicking the snot out of someone, preferably a lesbian IDF soldier going all Krav Maga and giving Ahmadcrazynutjob a groin kick and a few hammerfists.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:20 am #
BBH: JC doesn’t bother with 2irons…he brings the lumber.
Besides, NOBODY can hit a two iron. If Obama and Tiger have a love child, then maybe.
Comment by B Moe on 7/8 @ 11:21 am #
You think that is how they view it?
If by they, you are referring to the Iranian mullahs, my response is who gives a shit? They are batshit crazy and are going to hate our guts no matter what, so why should I care what they think? What do you think about them considering you an animal that needs exterminating? How do you square that with their single minded determination to develop nuclear bombs? Do they have to paint D-CON on the side of the missiles in big fucking letters for you to figure it out?
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:21 am #
After reading that guys report, I’d be more inclined to vote for McCain if everytime he was asked about Iran he started quietly singing, “Let the bodies hit the flo’ Let the bodies hit the flo.â€Â
Yes then the Army could go back to at least 15 month deployments probably 18. The fallout on world oil prices would be fuckin great too. That is a surefire election winner. Damn brother you should be a campaign strategist.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/8 @ 11:23 am #
I think the line was: Lee Trevino, holding a one-iron over his head just prior to a thunderstorm, “Even god can’t hit a one-iron.”
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 11:23 am #
#26: We liberal godloathing babykillers dislike godbothering folk of all religions (except Canadian liberals, who have an odd fetish for Islamic fundies).
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 11:24 am #
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 11:20 am #
Lisa - I suspect that the Israeli version of that series would end with the IDF kicking the snot out of someone, preferably a lesbian IDF soldier going all Krav Maga and giving Ahmadcrazynutjob a groin kick and a few hammerfists.
Do you think the Imam’s get Showtime’s The L-Word on satellite?
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 11:24 am #
astounding, if true.
I counsel some caution though.
in the cold war, if i recall correctly, there were any number of soviet defectors who peddled books or stories about what they had done and seen that turned out to be exagerated. I have no doubt that some, or even a lot, of this is true, but this guy’s story reads like “A Man Called Intrepid.”
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:26 am #
“Yes then the Army could go back to at least 15 month deployments probably 18.”
-yeah, cuz you give a flying fuck about teh “troops.”
“The fallout on world oil prices would be fuckin great too.”
-it’s going to happen anyway nimrod.
Comment by mr. 12th imam person on 7/8 @ 11:27 am #
Why can’t I just finish my falafel?
Comment by Trimegistus on 7/8 @ 11:28 am #
Remember the enlightened progressive view: brown people are all liars. If a Muslim leader says he wants to destroy you, he’s just making silly boasts, because only white people ever speak seriously and truthfully.
Liberal racism will cause millions of deaths.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:30 am #
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:26 am #
“Yes then the Army could go back to at least 15 month deployments probably 18.â€Â
-yeah, cuz you give a flying fuck about teh “troops.â€Â
Wow snappy comeback, I guess noone but you really “cares” or has a personal steak in this huh? I bet you spank to Call of Duty 4.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 11:31 am #
Liberal racism will cause millions of deaths.
You forgot the mustached smiley face part!
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 11:33 am #
lol @ #41
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:36 am #
- The Army flys very limited combat missions dorknozzle.
- In a few more weeks, when an angry mob with pitch forks and torches gather on the Capital building front lawn, Congress will suddenly gather a gang of twelve, and a bull will be entered to open ALL of our gas and oil reserves, and construct at least 100 new nuclear plants, opening 750,000 well paying jobs throughout the country, jobs that cannot be outsourced. The bill will pass by unanimous consent, just because they are looking out for us of course. In that moment:
- America will become the largest potential oil reserve “in process” in the world.
- America will, for the first time, have the potential for total independence from foreign oil.
- World oil prices will begin to plummet over the next few months to an adjusted “futures” pricing based on a tripling of American and World oil reserves.
- America could become a bet exporter of oil and gas.
- If Iran goes down the nuclear path until somethimg is required, any necessary action will just increase the value of our resources.
- A win, win, win, win, win for America.
- Looks like the Left is going to get another drubbing.
Comment by Jeff G. on 7/8 @ 11:38 am #
If I have to have a steak in this, make mine a 32 oz porterhouse. May as well go out on a full belly.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:38 am #
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:36 am #
- The Army flys very limited combat missions dorknozzle.
Wow you must be an expert. I could have found that type of ignorance trolling over at DailyKos.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:40 am #
Comment by Jeff G. on 7/8 @ 11:38 am #
If I have to have a steak in this, make mine a 32 oz porterhouse. May as well go out on a full belly.
Appreciate the spellcheck on your blog. Thanks where do I hit up the tipjar again?
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/8 @ 11:42 am #
Put a stake in him. He’s done.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:43 am #
“Wow snappy comeback, I guess noone but you really “cares†or has a personal steak in this huh? I bet you spank to Call of Duty 4.”
WTF is a “noone?” Did you mean no one? Listen up fucktard. In another thread you were trashing troops as brainwashed thugs who just want to kill brown people. You went so far as to insult N’Obrians’ son.
So no, you don’t care you useless fucking flesh balloon. Not unless it’s politically expedient…just like your messiah.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:43 am #
“I could have found that type of ignorance trolling over at DailyKos.
- You do. Remember you “cut and paste” a lot.
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 11:45 am #
It’d be really interesting to superimpose Reuel Marc Gerecht’s view of CIA intelligence gathering ops with what this guy is saying. RMG (a former ME case officer) spilled about 50k words in The Weekly Standard lamenting the inability of the agency to penetrate Iran and other key countries in any systemic way.
On the other hand, PJM comes up with a guy who knew all and saw all across dozens of different departments in the Revolutionary Guards.
I dont doubt the millenial apocalypticalism of the Persian asshats; We should have hit them instead of Iraq, as Ive argued. But this is all “a known known” as Rumsfeld would have it.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:47 am #
“Put a stake in him. He’s done.
- I thought the ‘dillo was the vampire in the family?
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:47 am #
I never insulted anyone son.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 11:48 am #
“…I bet you spank to Call of Duty 4.â€Â
Actually I’ve been spanking to Half Life 2 lately. If your messiah and the Combine win, we’re gonna go Gordon Freeman all over your ass.
Comment by Education Guy on 7/8 @ 11:50 am #
GTA IV is the only spankworthy game. Posers.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:51 am #
“I never insulted anyone son.”
- Bullshit PH, you most certainly did, and you were called out on it by several of us.
- Self proclaimed extreme views, delusional or not, is one thing. When you show totalled uncalled for animus toward someones kid, especially for something a lot of us see as high character and love of family and country, you cross the line skunk breath.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/8 @ 11:53 am #
BBH the only thing you could construe as an insult was me saying it was for nothing. Which I do believe it is and was. Hell if you find that an insult you better not watch any newscast, read any newspaper, or look at any blog besides this one.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 11:58 am #
- PH, you’re doing what you guys always do. everything that was yesterday is down the memory hole.
- You phrased your post to NO in such a way as to suggest his son was brainwashed and a dummy for his service. You even apologized for it at the time, which I accepted in NO’s behalf. Now you profess to say it never happened.
- You see why people with any principle at all chalk your side up as a bunch of lying snotweasels?
Comment by mcgruder on 7/8 @ 12:03 pm #
Progg hero,
man up and apologize to N.O’ Brain.
Kids are off limit, period–no exceptions.
flame each other to dust. Call each other c-nts, whatever.
Talking about kids is the kind of crap that crummy pricks like Greenwald would do, except he hasn’t…yet.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 12:11 pm #
persona non grata!
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 12:34 pm #
I am lost as usual. Who insulted who’s son and where is said insult (so that I can be properly outraged).
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 12:38 pm #
You see why people with any principle at all chalk your side up as a bunch of lying snotweasels?
People who walk away from any argument and then make those kinds of generalizations are just stupid and not worthy of wasting one’s breath on. When you have a tiff with someone, you have it with them. Not everyone in their political party, religion, race, or geographic location.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 7/8 @ 12:38 pm #
I dunno. Ion Micah Pacepa has been a pretty good source. There will always be glory hounds and other liars, but then you also get soldiers in the cover of NGO charity workers, wearing Che t-shirts, freeing hostages.
And, frankly, I don’t think the American intelligence establishment wants to infiltrate our enemies. Too much paperwork, too much chance of having to answer to some Congresscritter about working with such distasteful people, and, besides, if you screw up, nothing bad happens. Sure, people die, but your career is safe.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/8 @ 12:39 pm #
Thread morte!
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 12:40 pm #
Lisa,
“Hero” decided, with self righteous chimp like bravado, to hurl shit at N’Obrian’s son who is serving in Iraq. It was on one of those 100+ comment posts (can’t remember which).
After getting called on it, he’s apparently darted back under his rock.
Comment by Education Guy on 7/8 @ 12:45 pm #
When you have a tiff with someone, you have it with them.
Yeah, but you know how those people are.
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 12:46 pm #
That is terrible, Lamont.
Comment by Lisa on 7/8 @ 12:49 pm #
Yes Education Guy. They smell bad and we should not mix with them.
Everytime I start to get annoyed, someone interrupts it with some amusing snark.
I denounce you.
Comment by Education Guy on 7/8 @ 12:52 pm #
Sadly, a denouncement from someone with the nickname of sugartits is likely to be the highlight of my day.
Comment by JD on 7/8 @ 12:53 pm #
I think a link to sugartits might lighten the mood.
BOOBIES !!!!!!!!!
I love that word.
Comment by Education Guy on 7/8 @ 12:57 pm #
Here ya go, JD.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 7/8 @ 1:05 pm #
“BOOBIES !!!!!!!!!”
Yes. Yes indeed.
Because you can’t motorboat a personality.
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 1:14 pm #
You see why people with any principle at all chalk your side up as a bunch of lying snotweasels?
Lisa, By “your side”, I think the reference was to the political left, not all individuals therein.
You know, like those that voted for war, then claimed it was all a lie (though most had made the same arguments for years), said our troops were like nazi’s, fought war funding after troops were deployed, declared the war lost, and generally degraded the whole war effort with their feckessness.
Those political leaders on the left, voted in by Dems.
Progghero is just the poster child for that “side”.
Comment by lee on 7/8 @ 1:18 pm #
Lisa, I also had a question for you here.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 1:22 pm #
- ED, you obviously don’t give a duck….
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/8 @ 1:25 pm #
- Theres two EG, so we could “share”.
- Offer to fill her tank or something, and see if she goes for it. I’ll wait discretely over here and direct traffic.
Comment by Merovign on 7/8 @ 3:07 pm #
Telephone Pole.
As in, you can’t have a conversation with a telephone pole.
I know, it’s irresistible, apparently.
And of course it lies about what it did, it’s what they do.