I like to mock the left when I hear their peculiar use of the word “Big,” as in “Big Pharma” or “Big Oil,” and I love to turn it around on them when I hear that people such as San Fran Nan are benefitting from government policies they’ve backed that benefit Bigs of whatever stripe, without seeing the trouble with Big Government. Still, it strikes me as perhaps a matter of taking it too far when I hear a commercial for Ben Stein’s Expelled that refers to Big Science.
I object not because I don’t think that the term has descriptive validity, and not because I don’t agree with some of Stein’s points regarding scientific orthodoxy. I object because I feel slighted that nobody seems to grasp the importance of Big Satire in the fight against Big Victimization Collectivism.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 12:16 pm #
Is that some satire in your pocket or … um, nevermind really.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:17 pm #
It’s on vibrate.
Comment by psycho... on 4/12 @ 12:19 pm #
Is Laurie Anderson gonna have to choke a bitch?
(…or something like that)
Comment by Semanticleo on 4/12 @ 12:22 pm #
when I hear a commercial for Ben Stein’s Expelled that refers to Big Science.
“I object not because I don’t think that the term has descriptive validity, and not because I don’t agree with some of Stein’s points regarding scientific orthodoxy. I object because I feel slighted that nobody seems to grasp the importance of Big Satire in the fight against Big Victimization Collectivism.”
Collins, Collins…..
Not sure exactly what parsing you seek to glean from this, but you do seem to attempt to retain some credibility without hurting Stein’s
tender id.
Yes, it DOES depend on who’s ox is being gored, but I hardly think you need fear the loss/gain of BIG Pharma’s ad revenue. Your motive might spring from the elusive hope.
Reviewers are not being kind to Stein, who apparently wishes to circumvent, or invent his own science to make a point about
Academia, in general. Has he failed? It would appear so.
“It’s a film written by pop creationists, who virtually never have the first idea what evolution is, how scientific evidence works, and so on. Instead of any serious discussion of biochem, genetics, or anything else, it looks like we get a heap of phony outrage generated by flat out lying and misleading the audience about cases like Richard Sternberg.”
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:23 pm #
Ugh. There’s something else I agree with Paglia about. Laurie Anderson, way overrated.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 12:25 pm #
TEH EXPELLED!?!?! OHNOES!!!
Laying bait today, Dan? I didn’t realize it was trapping season already.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:25 pm #
What’s funny is that Big Science is a bete noir of the left. Unless it’s Big Green.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 12:28 pm #
Huh. The flip side of Al Gore, then. Well, at least Stein isn’t telling us that the sky is falling.
Comment by JD on 4/12 @ 12:29 pm #
Miss Cleo is as incoherent as always. This should drive the genocidal nishidiot insanerer.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:30 pm #
You know, the same people who feel it’s in our best interest to have health insurance companies pay for homeopathic and other alternative remedies.
Comment by B Moe on 4/12 @ 12:33 pm #
written by pop creationists, who virtually never have the first idea what evolution is…
Yeah, that pretty much sums up Ben Stein.
Comment by Semanticleo on 4/12 @ 12:35 pm #
“You know, the same people who feel it’s in our best interest to have health insurance companies pay for homeopathic and other alternative remedies.”
Because it’s in our best interest to pay through the nose for patent pending poisons. We’re all stockholders, you see, so……….
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:37 pm #
Oh, I thought you’d be interested in having us pay for treatments that have been subjected to scientific scrutiny and determined effective.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 12:37 pm #
But wait! It appears that he’s an academic.
Heh.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:37 pm #
Science, you know. Instead of palliatives for superstition, like . . . oh, religion.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 12:38 pm #
Comment by Semanticleo on 4/12 @ 12:38 pm #
“Oh, I thought you’d be interested in having us pay for treatments that have been subjected to scientific scrutiny and determined effective.”
Oh, well. If the FDA has approved it, it all works out in the end.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:39 pm #
(Except that one arrays itself in the mantle of science, and the other doesn’t.)
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:40 pm #
So, with medications, empiricism based on feelings is valid, but with religion it is not, ‘cleo?
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:41 pm #
Well, you know, because if Greenpeace endorses it . . .
Comment by Semanticleo on 4/12 @ 12:41 pm #
“But wait! It appears that he’s an academic.”
Wait a minute…..so’s Glenn Reynolds and Professor Yoo….
Gasp! They must know something about something.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 12:42 pm #
Shit, I think I just slipped a chakra.
Medic!Swami!Comment by Semanticleo on 4/12 @ 12:42 pm #
Sorry. I forgot Ann Outhouse.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:43 pm #
You know . . . treatment with various colors of light and new age music. Adjustment of auras.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:43 pm #
Hopeyness therapy.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 12:44 pm #
Carbon credits.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/12 @ 12:46 pm #
so, Semanticleo shuns the medication? that explains so much.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/12 @ 12:50 pm #
One of these days I hope Big Blog will come along and allow me to sell out…what do you mean this is as big as it gets?
Comment by JD on 4/12 @ 12:53 pm #
patent pending poisons tells us a lot of how the fevered minds of Leftists work. An industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people, and spends billions of dollars researching and producing medications that extend the lives of all people,make people comfortable, relieve symtoms, and improve the quality of life. But Cleo sees them as producing patent pending poisons.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/12 @ 1:07 pm #
I totally dug oil until they became big. I mean, same with the green thing. it was like totally phish before phish made it big. same with pharmaceutical. dug their earlier stuff, before every fair-weathered fan started going to their shows. once PW gets to be Big Blog, I am outta here… SELL OUTISTS!
Comment by BJTexs TW/BP on 4/12 @ 1:15 pm #
Hey cleo!
Some drugs come with potential side effects that create a risk.
Bigger risk? Untreated medical conditions. Check into it. It may make you more coherent.
Or not…
maggie at #27: you made me spew you shrew :-)
Comment by MayBee on 4/12 @ 1:24 pm #
This movie was not brought to us by Big Hollywood.
(where Big Salary exists, but is benign when compared to Big CEO Pay)
Comment by daleyrocks on 4/12 @ 1:34 pm #
As long as they support pre-traumatic stress disorder semen is down with it.
She’s easy that way. Preventive care and all that.
Comment by JD on 4/12 @ 2:03 pm #
daleyrocks – Semen screeching about having PRE-traumatic stress disorder was one of my all-time favorite internet moments, coming in shortly behind Kos’s “screw ‘em”, and the vivisection of the gleeeeeeens by wuzzadem and patterico.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/12 @ 2:14 pm #
daley & JD – you gotta get me a link to that seman-ness. I must read it.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/12 @ 2:34 pm #
They must know something about something.
Lots of academics around here, Cleo.
At best, being an academic is evidence that you know a lot about ONE thing (in practice, this isn’t always the case).
It doesn’t (or shouldn’t) grant any special weight to topics outside your field of expertise, for the same reason that Michael Jordan’s opinion on breakfast cereal doesn’t really count.
Argumentum ad verecundiam.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:01 pm #
…..so’s Glenn Reynolds
dr. yes told nishi that it was too bad benstein was making a fool of himself.
the derb says
Saturday, March 22, 2008
Expelled by Expelled [John Derbyshire]
Biologist-blogger P.Z. Myers is crushed by the iron heel of the Ben Stein tyranny … but there is a hilarious punchline.
03/22 08:57 AM
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:05 pm #
nishi says politics is just fractal tribalism.
even when the size is the different the shape remains the same.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:06 pm #
sorry for italics
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/12 @ 3:08 pm #
Is cleo a member of Big Macadamia?
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 3:13 pm #
Is anyone else seeing shades of Andy Kaufman here?
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/12 @ 3:15 pm #
Gamera. For a giant flying turtle with teeth, that boy can dance!
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:19 pm #
also he is muchloved by all the childrens of japan
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 4/12 @ 3:20 pm #
- Cleo wants alternatives to Big Pharma by replacing it with BigGov. Why?. Because with the Left the best approach to any issue is to find a way, any way, that opens the door to the possibility that someone else will end up paying for it.
- “To each according to their laziness, from each according to their gullibility.”
(Teh collective credo)
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:25 pm #
not every one knows dr. yes is nishi’s special name for glenn reynolds.
i must say glenn reynolds told nishi that “it was too bad benstein was making a fool of himself.”
you can ask him
;)
Comment by The Big Ten on 4/12 @ 3:28 pm #
Ours goes to eleven.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 3:52 pm #
nishi thinks the academics on the rightside will say the same as dr. reynolds and the derb.
farenheit911 was an attempt to redraw the war in iraq to make a fake-umentary smackdown on the right for keeping winning elections all the time.
expelled is a fake-umentary smackdown down on real science for not letting intelligent design into their exclusive club.
but part is the antipathy against the real scientists for thinkin the id ppls are dumb.
a lot of real scientists do think the id ppls are dumb. probably most.
like a lot of blacks think whitey is keeping them down.
like black liberation theology.
nishi doesnt think O can be a great uniter anymore.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 4:16 pm #
im not one of feets turtles
that one kids turtles are named darwins and galapagos
im nishi’s turtle.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/12 @ 4:55 pm #
I liked when Semen admitted he had no problem with the Clinton’s rifling through political opponents FBI files and using the IRS to punish their enemies because he trusted them.
Comment by McGehee on 4/12 @ 5:26 pm #
And probably smarter than she is.
Comment by JD on 4/12 @ 5:42 pm #
the shit stains on the bunghole of nishi’s turtle are smarter than nishi.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 5:42 pm #
gapagus, really
Comment by JD on 4/12 @ 5:47 pm #
Enoch – go to Patterico’s place, where Semen was having an aneurysm about how she is afflicted by pre-traumatic stress disorder. She was doing so in defense of Beauchamp, saying that he had already been effected by the war prior to being in the war, which caused him to pre-emptivley start writing lies. Truly a classic.
Comment by McGehee on 4/12 @ 8:27 pm #
Poor, abused Miss Cleo. Don’t y’all know that when you snipe at her it’s really you who are the trolls?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 4/12 @ 9:55 pm #
And matoko has a new name? So quickly?
Boo!
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 10:51 pm #
gapagus, sry
also the derb says….
“Darwinism” does not claim to explain life. It claims to explain the origin of species  why there are so many kinds of living things in the world, not why there are living things at all, a thing we currently do not know and have no testable theories for. Celestial Mechanics explains the motions of matter in the universe, not matter’s origins. That would be cosmology.
Maybe we would have a new theory …
If someone comes up with one, one that accommodates all the known facts, biologists will give it serious attention. Until someone does, we’ll stick with the best theory we’ve got. NB: “Darwin was a horrible person!” “Darwinism is bunk!” and “Hitler heart Darwin!” are not theories, only expostulations. And on that last one I will give the warning I always give: If guilt by association is the game you want to play, take a look at some devout Creationists.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 10:56 pm #
Look, the only issue of any political importance here is: What should we teach kids in public schools? The only answer that makes sense to me is: We should teach them consensus science. If you want your kid to be taught Hollow Earth Theory, Orgonomics, Astrology, Great Pyramid Numerology, or Transcendental Meditation, I’m fine with it  but not on my dollar, please.
the derb doesnt think much of ur academicical ben stein.
have u other academics wantin to stand up for stein?
sry, crappy ed doesnt count.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 10:58 pm #
and this
Stein seeks to make of Darwin an apologist for British Imperialism, and seems surprised that ‘darwinism’ has outlived imperialism, confidently predicting the theory’s downfall. Along the way, he repeats several old-chestnut canards about natural selection: that it is all about ‘the survival of the fittest,’ supposedly claiming that dominant species always wipe out weaker species, that it has never been demonstrated to create a new species, and that Darwin is responsible for evils like ’social darwinism’ and therefore the holocaust. He also brings up that ‘Darwinsim’ says nothing about the origin of life, another of the usual suspects in the creationist line-up.
Derbyshire takes Stein out to the woodshed, spanking him hard in just a few sentences. None of Stein’s arguments holds up, naturally. It’s unfortunate that we will soon be subjected to Stein’s cdesign proponentist propoganda film, complete with study materials and appearences in schools and endless right-wing talking heads (Bill O’Reilly’s already been there) signing its praises. Hats off to John Derbyshire, who is not going to let right-wing ideology blind him to reality.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:02 pm #
How are we subjected? I still hasn’t seen the Farenheit 911 thinger. I think maybe there was another liberal documentary made last year too.
Comment by Pablo on 4/12 @ 11:08 pm #
So, when do we get the Goreacle and his Inconvenient Bullshit out of schools?
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:10 pm #
That would cosmology….
see? the goal posts are moving even as we speak.
pretty soon we will be stacking molecules in nanoscale to make synthetic life.
wat will the creationists argue then?
that god made molecules?
meanwhile “Big Science” will be working in picoscale.
then the creationists must argue that god made atoms.
while u are doing that, “Big Science” will be working in fermiscale.
then god must be creating subatomic particles and dark matter….right?
wrong.
why would the Creator of Worlds, He Who Pastures the Stars, be muckin around at cell lvl?
or assembling atoms or super particles?
pfft.
no planning, id ppls.
next month we may be finding higgs bosuns at CERN.
that will prove big chunks of 11-dimensional string theory.
CERN FTW!!!!
but u id ppls are goin the wrong ways.
the Divine Beloved made stars and suns galaxies and metaverses.
not cell membranes or eyeballs.
the Creator of Worlds just started the flow.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:14 pm #
work on it pablo
2 wrongs doesnt make a right.
forcing id into schools with the wedge strategy wont get gorejunkscience out.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:15 pm #
darwins
nishi will not pay to see either one.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:16 pm #
Who are the id peoples? I think it’s kind of contrived me personally.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:18 pm #
Films always have the opportunity costs of the films what you don’t see instead of the one you do. Sometimes it’s just too much pressure. A lot of times, really.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:24 pm #
ben stein is one id ppl.
others are just all the xian fish ppl.
stein wants to give BigScience a black eye for sneerin at ID
the xianfish ppl all applaud.
they resent the highly educated that dislike religious conservatives.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:26 pm #
What does it mean to give BigScience a black eye? For reals. Is this one of those chilling effect arguments?
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:30 pm #
they resent ppl that think they stupid.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:31 pm #
That’s actually very sophisticated if it turns out they can quantify it I think.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:33 pm #
stein wants to paint academe as intolerant of ALL new paradigms, ALL new ideas.
he edited the scientists to make them look rabid, and lied to get interviews.
but really the scientists are just intolerant of IDT.
and tired of it.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:36 pm #
it is a binary tautology right now feets….
science: IDT is stupid AND xians believe in IDT THEREFORE xians are stupid.
how wud u quantify it?
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:37 pm #
Scientists are also a lot intolerant of the idea that agw climate change is teh stoopid. Scientists need to work on their credibility I think. Al Gore is not a scientist, but they pretend he is. Why come can’t Ben Stein pretend too?
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:38 pm #
Oh. I meant more if they can quantify how much the people they resent think they are stupid. It’s important to get the right balance I think.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:50 pm #
not because I don’t agree with some of Stein’s points regarding scientific orthodoxy
this is why
stein is foolin ppl like dan.
darwins, stop with gore.
two wrongs dont make a right.
IDT is doomed
we will be able to stack molecules to make RNA and DNA soon, with bioassemblers.
Comment by gamera on 4/12 @ 11:52 pm #
i think stupid is binary too.
u are or u arent.
there arent degrees of stupid.
Comment by darwins on 4/12 @ 11:55 pm #
Yes there are. Baracky was stupid when he didn’t denounce Wright who thinks white people invented AIDS but he was stupider when he called midwestern peoples Jesus-fellating gun nuts. It’s progressive, the stupid.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:03 am #
darwins…..IDT is to the scientists just like BLT is to the white ppls.
the scientists cant unnerstand how anyone intelligent can believe in it, and the supporters of IDT feel…entitled.
entitled to have IDT get airtime as a science.
an when the scientists wont do it they get pissed.
like some blacks think they are entitled, they are owed things.
and the white ppls are incredulous at wat they think they are entiltled to, like conspiracy theory and ‘merica bashing.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 12:06 am #
I think scientists could probably maybe consult with a cultural anthropologist if they lack insight into how ID might be an attractive viewpoint to some people. For real it’s not that confuzzling. Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so. Start there.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:06 am #
no.
not stupid to the scientists..see? they believe a lot of the same things O said.
it was kinsleyian, when someone says wat they believe on accident.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 12:10 am #
I think you give scientists a bad rap. It’s not like most of them don’t go home and have happy lives with non-scientists what they bone. I would bet it’s a tiny minority of scientists who have their knickers in a twist about ID.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:13 am #
no darwins
there a whole lot of them in the movie.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:14 am #
Exactly. Not having seen it, I’m reluctant to comment on it, but if it looks anything like the criticism I’ve seen of it, I can’t help but wonder about the Andy Kaufman thing. Stein is an awfully bright guy with a great sense of humor.
I probably would have passed on it, but now I’m going to have to see it.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:14 am #
how ID might be an attractive viewpoint
oh scientists know that. but that doesnt mean ID gets to be a science.
scientists know we are hardwired for religion.
sir richard gets mad about that.
he tries to convince ppl religion is stupid and they shud become atheists.
he proselytizes atheism
that wont work.
i like dr. atran the best.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:14 am #
Have you seen it, nishi?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:16 am #
Why come can’t Ben Stein pretend too?
as u wish.
/shrug
the derb and dr. yes think he is a fool.
if u give him money will that make u a fool too?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:18 am #
pablo nishi says ur a sciencey guy
she remembers when everyone but u and charles caught that schiavo fever
wat will happen to creationism/IDT when we can make synthetic life with bioassemblers?
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 12:20 am #
How I was reading that the guy sounds like he has much better things to be doing than writing that, if you follow.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 12:20 am #
Dr. Atran…
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 12:26 am #
In this thread, we actually *do* have turtles all the way down…
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:27 am #
nishi wont pay to see it for same reason she didnt pay to see fareinheit911.
cuz its crap.
shez read enough from ppl that were tricked into appearing in it.
they are pretty much all mad and spend beaucoup time pointin out flaws.
here’s some stuff
read this guy too
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:28 am #
yup, turtles all the way down.
;)
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:30 am #
MC u same question.
wat will happen to creationism/IDT when we can make synthetic life with bioassemblers?
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:31 am #
I think the whole debate is irrelevant as any of the possible outcomes will change very little in the real world. Mostly, I just find it all amusing. The AGW bunk, OTOH, has legions of people looking to crash economies and radically change standards of living based on a bundle of errors and lies. And, it’s being peddled to captive children as indisputable fact when it is demonstrably not. So, there’s a real effect there that warrants concern.
And if I toss $10 in Stein’s direction, I’ll think of you while I’m doing it and that will make me giggle, so it will be money well spent.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:32 am #
Hmmm. I gave Michael Moore’s money to the Wayans brothers. That made me giggle too.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:35 am #
MC nishi says do u want to know more about Sir Roger?
she has read his theory of consciousness book too, shadows of the mind.
dont tell her i told u..but she works the online problems for the road to reality that come at the end of the chapters …for fun!
she will never get married…she is such a woeful nerd
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 12:37 am #
If you are talking about using non-living parts, assembling them won’t produce something living. You’re going to have a challenge with chiralty.
If you mean machines aka Drexler et al, then they’re machines.
If you are talking about using living parts and putting them together with other living parts then you’re just having fun with God’s creation.
What will happen with the theory of evolution when we find a dinosaur in the ice?
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:38 am #
You mean when we can design and create life? It won’t change a thing about history, which is really what we’re talking about here. A billion plus people are still going to believe this:
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:43 am #
MC RNA assemblers will make DNA…we will recreate the organic soup.
It won’t change a thing about history
no…to you….you pablo.
will u still believe that?
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:48 am #
Believe what?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:49 am #
He has created man: He has imparted unto him articulate thought and speech. [At His behest] the sun and the moon run their appointed courses; the stars and the trees prostrate themselves [before Him].
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 12:51 am #
Like I said in that Pub thread:
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 12:52 am #
It won’t change a thing about history…
A dino in the ice you mean? But that’s – ohnoes – 65 million years – poof!
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:53 am #
nishi says man cannot acquire wat he cannot use.
that is a Sufi teaching thing.
and that is those believers toolset for approaching god, the bible.
some are born open channel to the Compassionate, the Caring.
some can achieve open channel.
science is just one part of her toolset.
;)
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:55 am #
I’m not a muslim, nishi. Why would I believe that?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 12:57 am #
but the Divine Beloved creates the metaverses and galaxies and worlds an stars.
that is our argument.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 12:59 am #
Do you believe it?
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 1:00 am #
It really is turtles all the way down in here…
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 1:02 am #
god/allah/hasem created the Omnium.
yes.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 1:02 am #
hashem
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 1:03 am #
i asked if u believed this
He has created man: He has imparted unto him articulate thought and speech. [At His behest] the sun and the moon run their appointed courses; the stars and the trees prostrate themselves [before Him].
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 1:06 am #
/yawn
turtlebedtime
nishi needs to go to tournament realm anyways.
konban wah…or ohayu, i guess
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 1:07 am #
ohayutoo
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 1:13 am #
Gambatte…
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 1:13 am #
I think the origins of our world are, certainly for the time being, beyond our current knowledge and capacity to comprehend. I understand that there are things I just don’t know and I don’t stake out beliefs when I don’t have enough information to support them. I do believe that there’s something bigger than us behind it all, but I’m not going to claim to know the mechanics of the origin of life, nor am I going to believe anyone who claims to unless they’ve got a whole lot more evidence than I’ve ever seen.
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 1:15 am #
hashem…
Oh, and Gesundheit……
Comment by MC on 4/13 @ 1:25 am #
And Go’bless darwins. I hope he’s being fed well while master is out…
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 4/13 @ 3:58 am #
that sillie turtle messed this up again.
i’ll make it simple.
intelligent design theory is just like black liberation theory
the [scientists][typical white ppl] simply cannot unnerstand how anyone can possibly be so stupid as to believe in [IDT][BLT],
and if those ppl insist on so believing, why on earth should the [scientists][typical white ppl] have to put up with it or have it crammed in their faces?
meh
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 4/13 @ 3:59 am #
black liberation theology, sry
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 4:31 am #
But black liberation theology isn’t crammed in our faces. It scurries under thingses like a cockroach mostly, when it does come out it smiles and says nothing to see here and hides behind contrived masks of “prophetic tradition” and “social justice”. We’re just like you they say. No you’re not you racist culty freaks. You’re vile and hatey and are suborning Christianity for some icky Marxist Blackassed Panther bullshit and Baracky is like yup that’s mah church.
But other than that I kinda see your analogy, but climate change what’s caused by not maintaining proper tire pressure and using the wrong lightbulbs (kinda sorta like how that poor girl used the wrong hangers in Mommie Dearest) is probably a way better analogy.
Comment by guinsPen on 4/13 @ 7:01 am #
we will recreate the organic soup.
Soup’s on!
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 7:08 am #
Turtles carry salmonella you know. Chock full of it really.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 7:57 am #
That’s neither sciencey (billions of people believe things without empirical evidence. How/why they do so is knowable. Figure it out, eggheads.) nor free inquiry-y. Why should people have to put up with sciencey beliefs? Because people can hold whatever beliefs they like, that’s why.
Comment by guinsPen on 4/13 @ 8:13 am #
Big Turtle shill.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 8:17 am #
*
Comment by B Moe on 4/13 @ 8:22 am #
wat will happen to creationism/IDT when we can make synthetic life with bioassemblers?
I would say the theory had been proven.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 8:25 am #
See sometimes you’re just brilliant. This is a lot one of those times I think. Not golf-clap brilliant. More like standing ovation brilliant really.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:04 am #
Because people can hold whatever beliefs they like, that’s why.
hai pablo.
so desu, she so agrees.
nishi says that is why conspiracy theory. it is a spandrel of religious belief, which was a selection fitness advantage in the EEA.
the biomechanics are more and more understood by those scientists.
the same reason of some blacks believeing whitey made AIDS just for them. the same reason some arabs believe in jewish organ harvesting of pali children. the same reason the twin towers “truthers”.
and ben stein wanting to make christians believe scientists conspiring to keep IDT out of unis.
he doesnt believe it himself because it is a fake-umentary.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:05 am #
arigato gozaimasen darwins.
/turtle bow
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:08 am #
B Moes!
the turing heresy!
if god made man in his image, then man is both a god and has the inherent property to make other gods!
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:11 am #
But black liberation theology isn’t crammed in our faces.
oh yes it is.
infinite loop of youtube, and then msm and lisatypes trying to explain what Cones reall meaned.
Comment by B Moe on 4/13 @ 9:11 am #
God made all things in his image. How can any creator do otherwise?
Comment by McGehee on 4/13 @ 9:14 am #
I see Big Threadjack is still cranking away.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:15 am #
and why it is unnerstandable and forgiveable, hehe.
not unnerstandable, not forgiveable.
conspiracy theory…ppl will still believe in spite of being clobbered with facts.
some studies have been done with mormons, a cuz mormon is relatively fresh history. mormon history conflicts with real data a lots.
even after facts presented, the counterfactual mormon history is retained.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:17 am #
God made all things in his image.
ur sacred book says that?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:21 am #
no threadjack msgeehee
we was talkin about how the rightside academics like dr. reynolds and the derb think ben stein is a fool. the derb said ben stein was dishonest and sneaky too.
ekshually dr. reynolds told nishi in a gmail that “it was too bad ben stein was making a fool of himself.”
Comment by JD on 4/13 @ 9:21 am #
The nsihidiot is apparently arguing with the voices in her head again. Let’s save about 300 comments – wedge strategy. xians are stoopid. 145 IQ. ID bad. My “science” good. Hagee. Baracky makes me wet. Get ur religion out of my government.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 9:25 am #
Ben Stein made a movie is all. Mr. Reynolds knows how this works I would have thought. If you’re talking about it then Stein is way ahead of the game. Specially with a documentary.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:28 am #
Lots of academics around here, Cleo.
i was refuting SPB premise that rightside academics wud support stein.
they do not.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:30 am #
not a documentary, a fake-umentary, darwins.
zactly like farenheit911.
dr. yes does unnerstand how it works.
that is why he said ben stein makin a fool of himself, like moore did.
objects of ridicule.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 9:34 am #
Yeah well you’re nothing until you’re talked about. I heard that on the CW.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:35 am #
wat is the goal of Expelled?
does stein think expelled will open up the unis to discussion of IDT?
no, it is propaganda in the culture wars.
stein wants to make to make christians see that scientists think their pet theory is stupid.
ppl like Francis Collins and Sir Roger Penrose are religious.
do they support IDT?
nope.
collins takes a lot of chong for not supporting it.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:38 am #
nother question:
did farenheit911 work?
did it plant meme seeds for conspiracy theories?
it F911 mebbe one reason so many americans are against the war?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:39 am #
Expelled is just more identity politics.
nishi thot u guyz despied that.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 9:40 am #
well, its tourney time
nishi is required in azeroth
bye darwins
Comment by JD on 4/13 @ 9:44 am #
it is kind of spooky when the resident village idiot starts speaking about herself in the 3rd person.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 9:45 am #
bye gamera
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 9:47 am #
Yes, a lot. If Kerry wasn’t such an inept schmuck, he’d be POTUS today.
Of what identity?
Comment by B Moe on 4/13 @ 9:57 am #
ur sacred book says that?
I don’t have a sacred book. It just seems obvious to me, as I said, how could any creator do otherwise?
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 10:05 am #
oh pablo, i suspected u wud try to get the last word.
Jesusland identity politics.
darwin fish identity politics.
dont play stupid pablo nishi says ur very bright.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 10:06 am #
Alan Turing was quoting the Bible.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/13 @ 10:08 am #
nishi says ur very bright
Too bad nishi is an illiterate, lying poseur with NPD
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 10:10 am #
she told truth here
a gmail that “it was too bad ben stein was making a fool of himself.â€Â
do u want to see the gmail from dr. reynolds, SBP?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/13 @ 10:11 am #
she told truth here
Poseur.
Fraud.
Liar.
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 10:30 am #
So, Ben Stein is engaging in Jesusland identity politics? Kinda odd for a Jew, ain’t it? And given that most Muslims believe mostly the same sort of things, how is it Jesusy? In fact, where does jesus fall into any of this discussion? Hint: He doesn’t.
So, try again. What identity?
Comment by Pablo on 4/13 @ 10:33 am #
BTW, political Jesusland is a myth. The sciencey thing too do would be to look at the data.
Comment by darwins on 4/13 @ 10:34 am #
Ben Stein identified a market and then crafted a documentary for it is what I think.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/13 @ 10:51 am #
Why are we still engaging the nishi-bot? She ran out of new things to say a few thousand comments ago.
Comment by MayBee on 4/13 @ 12:54 pm #
just an FYI- arigato gozaimasen
-masen is a negative. So what you said approximately was “no thank you very much”.
You mean either arigato gozaimasu or arigoato gozaimashita.
Comment by gamera on 4/13 @ 2:11 pm #
kk
nishi sez u wins
she doesnt belong here
once upon a time this site was gloriously raunchy and fiercely secular…and so funnie.
now the theocon moties have taken over…
EVACUATE! EVACUATE!
*biohazard evacuation protocol in place*
WARNING WARNING WARNING
GENERAL PRODUCTS HULL ENGAGED IN STASIS MODE
praps shell see u at the end of tourney season.
praps not.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/13 @ 3:56 pm #
Great. Now the bitch has ruined Niven for me.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/13 @ 4:00 pm #
She can’t tell fiction from real life, Rob. She’s an idiot, deserving of no more than a terse dismissal.
“praps” she’s gone for good this time. We can always hope.
Comment by B Moe on 4/13 @ 4:58 pm #
Whatever, all I know me being labeled a theocon is one of the funniest damn things ever.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/13 @ 8:05 pm #
now the theocon moties have taken over…
Poseur.
Fraud.
Liar.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/13 @ 8:40 pm #
I wash my hands and my feet of her.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 7:46 am #
I notice whenever she loses an argument it’s all “the moties have taken over, this site isn’t as good as it used to be, I’m leaving forever.”
“Forever” doesn’t last very long anymore, does it?
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