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Reading John Cole: a (not particularly long-winded) primer
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Comment by SarahWfeelsvalidated on 4/5 @ 11:17 am #
Hurray!
We’re like sisters!
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:19 am #
Jeff,
If you don’t like my work, just say so. I can stop, as I did last weekend, which cut traffic by about 50%. The post flagging Cole, otoh, got Insta-lanched and brought in thousands of visits.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 4/5 @ 11:19 am #
Alleluliah!!!!eleventy!!!1111 Tis Jeff!
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 11:21 am #
What are you talking about, Karl? I like your work. That was a comment on Cole’s blathering, not on your having read it. Our job is to notice these things.
What I don’t understand is how he has an audience in the first place.
We, on the other hand — as the GUARDIANS OF THE SPHERE — are forced to deal with that which we would not ordinarily choose to stomach. Goes with the territory. Like reading Greenwaldses or The “Moderate” Voice, or having blogversations with likes of Cole or Caric or Marcotte or anything that oozes up out of the bubbling cauldron of firedoglake.
Really. There should be perks. Like, maybe, an occasional Hickory Farms meat basket.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 11:26 am #
But you do sound bitter and upset about something, I must say. I hope nothing Bloomian is going on here.
Sorry. I’ll retreat into the nethers again. Best not to upset the balance of things.
(Man, this martial arts stuff has got me all Miyagi-ed up! It’s like being on ’shrooms, only every one is short and asian instead of, say, orange, or wearing clown makeup).
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:27 am #
Karl, l speak for myself, but I wouldn take that as dissapproval of your work subjects or your work product. That’s a slap at the Coleness of Cole and the crazy that is passed off as reason.
Why would one read Cole? Because it’s interesting, in a science project sort of way, to see foibles of the mind fungate out and bleed rusty spores, nibbled by ants and bears who can’t believe they just did that.
Comment by JImmie on 4/5 @ 11:31 am #
Cole is a complete poltroon who occasionaly decides that I’m worth his venom. Generally, I ignore the guy because he gives me one of those headaches like I get from dealing with a room full of tired two year old children for a couple hours.
Still, it’s fun for me to just call him an idiot once in a while. It gets him all riled up like Donald Duck. I’m glad you guys take the hit more often on our behalf and go dumpter diving into his blog.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 11:31 am #
DougJ’s favorite exciteable boy did make me consider that I used to like Cole for many of the same reasons I used to like Misha’s stuff: because I didn’t know any better.
So, there is some value to be had, for some of us.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:32 am #
Jeff,
How is a post questioning why anyone would read Cole notresume blogging).
On March 24, you thanked me and the others for our work, but your recent comments on my stuff have sent a more mixed signal. That’s what I’m talking about. If you like my stuff fine — but I take your comments seriously.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:32 am #
It’s a lot like how one might listen to NPR I think. You can get your narrative distilled and without the flighty creative embellishments of like Andy Sullivan. Cole isn’t clever enough stray from the narrative path ever really, so all teh stupid is the for real unpasteurized stuff. That’s all I got.
Jeff I think a lot you are getting sort of contextualized in an all that is necessary for the triumph of evil frame cause of your taking a break and all, even if it’s well-earned and you’re probably doing gangbusters being the change you want to see and all that while you’re out of view. Actually I think that would just be me saying that.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:33 am #
oh, that got badly mangled. I’ll resend shortly.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 11:33 am #
See, that’s the problem with becoming the center of our world, Jeff: you just can’t play around, anymore.
How can you stand the strain?
Comment by Pablo on 4/5 @ 11:33 am #
I’m outraged!
Wingnuts.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 11:34 am #
Again, sorry I showed up. Me and my disparagements.
Keep telling self: stay away from blog. Just enjoy SuperTarget. Breathe.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:36 am #
Oh. *to* stray. And also some of it’s not fair it’s just that the zeitgeist is frustratingly a lot tailor-made for your sort of ouevre – Wright – Black Liberation Theology – Baracky’s Patriot Employer Act – The media’s “Great Depression” meme – that sort of thing.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:37 am #
SuperTarget rocks. And yours has foozle. My Target foozle is a lot suspect.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:37 am #
Jeff,
A post questioning why anyone would read Cole seems like a comment on my having read it in light of your most recent comments on my posts. For example, last Friday, snarking on my repeat-posting on a topic CraigC had blogged (true, but gratuitous). Or before that, the passive-aggressive comment on how things were running so well at PW that you could go do something else (not exactly the way to motivate a JeffG fan like me to keep going).
Don’t get me wrong. On March 24, you thanked me and the others, which I appreciated. But your recent comments have not exactly been positive reinforcement. And I take your comments seriously.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:39 am #
Man! Now I’m sad.
Everyone should have thicker sausage casings. And a meat-pig.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:39 am #
And I second happyfeet as well. Particularly the part about the foozle.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:41 am #
What’s foozle?
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:42 am #
Seriously, did you see those picke eyebrows? I wonder if they ship to the states.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:42 am #
picke = pickle
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:42 am #
SarahW,
It’s really not about the thin casing so much as Jeff’s implicit attitude of apathy/hostility towards his own blog. It’s my disappointment more than petulance.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:43 am #
…and I have no idea what foozle is, but I’m intrigued.
Comment by Pablo on 4/5 @ 11:44 am #
What Sarah W said..if that is her real name.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:44 am #
If you had a giant fetus-in-fetu with antlers in your back, you might be hostile, too.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:45 am #
I think I regret that last remark.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 11:45 am #
You forgot tongue in cheek.
Not passive agressive at all. Rather, true. You get more big hitters than I ever did.
Of course, you also curse far less, and are less likely to insert sea monkeys into your posts. Which must make the boys at the Corner a bit more comfortable with linking over here.
I’ve been busy doing “blog-like” stuff in another venue (I show up on page 6 or thereabouts, and am the main cog driving the next 20 pages), trying to rehabilitate the reputation of a friend who’s been unfairly (and dishonestly) run down. I’m worn out from it. So I came here to make light.
But if it matters, I chummed the waters over at Cole’s place this morning precisely to take the heat off of you so that you can do something productive and not worry about his frequent updates (a bit he stole from Greenwald, who stole it from me. The successful bastard).
Whatever. I shouldn’t have come back like that. I think I’ll take my own advice, offered for free to Cole, and go take a fucking walk. Sunshine! Birds! Bunnies!
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:46 am #
For real I read Jeff a lot before I ever commented anywhere and it was only cause the blog looked wobbly and it was my sense a lot that it would be wrong to one day click over and PW would be gone and I had just been passive so I started commenting and learned about how blogs work so I could be sure and sort of do my part. Also I gained eight pounds a lot cause of this. I’m glad the blog’s still here and all – very much – but it’s not the scimitar it for real can be I don’t think. But a lot this is petulance. Especially about the eight pounds. Oh. Foozle is food. Foodstuffs. Foozle + commenting too much = unsightly weight gain.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:47 am #
If only because it assumes hostility. Ambivo-valent blogburn may be real enough, but I think its just a jokey hostility.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 11:53 am #
Obviously I am a slow ombudsman, I should look into some bollywood dance classes.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 11:54 am #
What’s sad is that this post — and its attendant comments — means the terrorists have won.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 11:54 am #
And #28 being another exhibit of the phenomenon.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:54 am #
Karl gets a lot the heavy hitters cause they were all a lot in the habit of touching base here and Karl also is an amazingly consistent blogger to where he gets all go-to guy status in his chosen arena. But for real I think there’s a huge desire for a lot of bloggers to co-brand with the non-Republican-Kool-Aid-drinkyness credibility Jeff established for PW. Who wants to link to Red State or Hewitt in this cycle? This is a lot why Ace got that award I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:57 am #
Oh crap. I was really hoping the terrorists were gonna lose. We’ll just have to go all Wolverines on them now I think. Not the X-men one. You know the ones I mean.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 11:58 am #
Bollywood dance classes are a lot defiant of terrorists I think.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 11:59 am #
I was the first commenter ever, here.
Ok, maybe that’s not quite right. It just seems right. I was around in mid-2002, although not under this name.
Comment by Rick Ballard on 4/5 @ 11:59 am #
feets,
Hear, hear.
Karl,
You’re really not helping my political Jones at the moment. I hope Jeff comes back and certainly miss his input. While he’s out, you’ve provided a very rich replacement. Thanks.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 12:01 pm #
Also, I have to do my taxes this weekend, so I’m probably in the same mood as Jeff, just for different reasons.
BTW, I effort making my stuff big-blog friendly because I see my task here as: (a) driving PW traffic; and (b) not posting stuff that could bring more heat on Jeff as proprietor. However, I think I only got linked from The Corner once. Bastards.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 12:02 pm #
I mean, go back that far, and you find guys like Atrios, norbizness and Andrew Northrup conversing here as if Jeff was an actual human being.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:03 pm #
And hear, hear, Rick Ballard.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 12:05 pm #
Ric Locke has been around that long, I think. Ric was probably around when Jeff was posting under odd-sounding pseudonyms, though.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:05 pm #
The corner is just jealous.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 12:06 pm #
Thanks, Rick. I also thank JeffG for giving me the opportunity. I harbor no illusions that I would get big-blog links without the established PW platform. But like Rick (and zombyboy last week) I would prefer more JeffG and less me. I understand why Jeff is doing what he is at the moment, because I often feel like I am doing something similar. So if Jeff feeels a bit worn, he can imagine I sometimes feel the same.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 12:07 pm #
Sorry, I was waxing nostalgic for the good old days, before everyone’s inner Zool came out to play.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 12:08 pm #
You got linked from The Corner but is was a Jonah link which means there could have had teh cooliest Fascism discussion probably if PW had gone there. Dicentra says it’s really a very important book and I believe her. And also February was Human Weapon Sucks Month. So, synergy.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 12:10 pm #
Ok. Feel free to impute grammar to that last comment.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 12:10 pm #
I appreciate the big blog friendliness. I appreciate that it’s driven traffic. That’s my point. That’s not passive agressive. It’s honest and descriptive.
Man. I had hoped to clear my mind and get happy today. So much for that plan.
Later, all. Going shopping. To drive the capitalist machinery and such.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 12:11 pm #
I recommend padding up and beating the shit out of someone, Jeff. Nothing like a little ultra-violence to mellow you out.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 12:12 pm #
As for us, we are planning on thwarting the economic-stimulus-package plan by using ours to pay off debt.
We are always fucking with The Man like that.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 4/5 @ 12:15 pm #
Jeff, if you’re getting more links from the Corner, it might be because the blog has made an aggregate swerve in the religious conservative direction, and away from the secular academic libertarian. Perhaps the guys at the Corner are of the opinion that the enemy of one’s enemy is not necessarily one’s friend.
Comment by JD TWP on 4/5 @ 12:17 pm #
FWIW – John Cole is not nearly as mendouceous as that cesspool of people that comment there. Or atrios. And nottheleastbitmoderate voice, but not spinsanity.
Comment by JD TWP on 4/5 @ 12:18 pm #
THEOCONZ !!!!!!!!!
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:23 pm #
JD – He’s gotten a bad, infectious necrotizing skullitis from them, though. They bite.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:24 pm #
Do we have anybody hanging around who’d be worth the effort?
I guess one downside to this site taking on this recent strange odor of respectability is, we just don’t attract the truly obnoxious trolls anymore. We’re stuck with broken-record types like nishi, or desperate attention-seekers like dogmadave.
Even Miss Cleo hasn’t brought anything lately like the truly disgusting bile she used to.
It’s hard to sink one’s teeth into mush. Well no, it’s easy, but you don’t really get a really good chewing and gnashing workout that way.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:25 pm #
<blank stare>
You don’t actually read here much, do you?
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:28 pm #
McCain’s mom, is she handy? Becaus I think she could catch wrestle most of us down to Chinatown. Well, me, anyway.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 12:28 pm #
See? For real I think people understimate a lot nishi’s skillz. Ardsgaine got hacked a little I think maybe. You gotsta keep your firewalls up or your snow can crash and LIFE can get all capitalizey.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:30 pm #
Good thought. And she probably still has all her own teeth, so she could even bite back.
Comment by Daryl Herbert on 4/5 @ 12:33 pm #
John Cole is the “Andrew Sullivan” of straight former right-wing bloggers.
If you don’t like my work, just say so. I can stop, as I did last weekend, which cut traffic by about 50%. The post flagging Cole, otoh, got Insta-lanched and brought in thousands of visits.
Karl apparently wants to be the “Andrew Sullivan” of Protein Wisdom contributors.
TEH BLOG DRAMA IS THICK ENOUGH FOR THE KNIFE TO BE CUTTING IT!!!
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:35 pm #
Maybe we could sink our teeth into teh blog drama then. Will it fight back?
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 12:38 pm #
Not unless it’s getting paid. Little secret: Most blog dramas are really worked matches. And Andre the giant wasn’t really 7′4″.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 12:38 pm #
There is no “Andrew Sullivan.†Daryl just has a limited repertoire of reference points I think.
Comment by MayBee on 4/5 @ 12:41 pm #
Jeff, if you’re getting more links from the Corner, it might be because the blog has made an aggregate swerve in the religious conservative direction, and away from the secular academic libertarian.
I disagree. I think you are seeing argument against misrepresentation of ideas as argument for those ideas. I could be wrong, though.
As for the rest of it, it just makes me uncomfortable. I know how I would take it, but I’m very sensitive. Usually what people want is to know that they are appreciated, I’ve learned.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:44 pm #
You mean like on that claymation show on MTV2?
Comment by MayBee on 4/5 @ 12:47 pm #
I’ve heard that Blog Drama wants to date ID.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:48 pm #
Most blog dramas are really worked matches
Its all about the free meatpigs.
Oh well, its worth it when you flip back that golden, um, crew cut and say “Woooo”.
Comment by TmjUtah on 4/5 @ 12:49 pm #
This post had me beating on my breastplate with my sword… up until I came to and realized that I don’t own a breastplate and that my wife is going to want an explanation of what exactly happened to the tray on the printer…
Comment by TmjUtah on 4/5 @ 12:49 pm #
Now that’s drama!
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:49 pm #
If Jeff is telling the truth, Maybee, they have a lot in common.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 12:50 pm #
I wondered where ID wandered off to last night.
Dude came in early this morning with pixels smeared all over his collar. It all makes sense now.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 12:55 pm #
It’s a lot the on-the-bubbleness I think, MayBee, it’s sort of just unshakable and it’s not like we can send peanuts or badger the sponsors. Also I still have abandonment issues from when they canceled Buffy.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:56 pm #
Heh
And there’s even a “wooo” at the end of the audio.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 12:57 pm #
Link for above here
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 1:16 pm #
Daryl,
How dare you say such a thing. I’m gobsmacked. Just not with Sully’s gob. NTTAWWT.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 1:20 pm #
NTTAWWT but the sero-coversion. I guess that’s mean spririted.
Comment by S. Weasel on 4/5 @ 1:21 pm #
Sssss…that was uncomfortably like overhearing your parents argue.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 1:27 pm #
Also, Daryl’s analogy fails because the root of the “drama,” such as it is, is the generally shared wish (myself included) for more Jeff.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 1:32 pm #
As an aside, I think everyone is taking Jeff’s “Corner” ref a bit too literally. Like I said above, I got one such link; there was another to the Pub. The big-blog linkage has been mostly within the PJM family — HotAir, Instapundit, and MM’s “Buzzworthy” sideblog.
Comment by Daryl Herbert on 4/5 @ 1:41 pm #
happyfeet wrote: There is no “Andrew Sullivan.â€Â
Look, if this dispute is going to come down to the existence on non-existence of Andrew Sullivan, then I win, hands down. You might as well admit right now that Andrew Sullivan does exist, and that’s where Karl is taking his cues.
In fact, your hysterical reaction to my comment suggests that you should be designated the “Andrew Sullivan” of PW commenters. Your denial of reality is so acute, that you’re probably wearing magic underwear or something.
George Orwell himself would agree with me, and you don’t want to disagree with George Orwell–do you? Because we all know that George Orwell, like me, was always right about everything.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 1:44 pm #
Yes, Virginia, there is an Andrew Sullivan.
However, there is no Arizona.
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 1:47 pm #
denial of reality is so acute, that you’re probably wearing magic underwear or something.
Well. why else would I want to pay $40 for one measely pair of spanx?
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 1:49 pm #
McGehee, I think she’s in for some disappoinment with regard to Atlantis, too.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 1:51 pm #
I meant there is no Andrew Sullivan what you can put in quotes and analogize. Cause he’s inimitably chemically-imbalanced is why. And also that’s kind of gratuitous to crack on Mormons I think just cause I deny lefty consensus reality. They’re mean.
But also Tom Maguire, K. That’s so cool.
Comment by JD TWP on 4/5 @ 1:56 pm #
SarahW – commen courtesy demands links and pix. ;-)
Comment by MayBee on 4/5 @ 1:57 pm #
I’d always assumed Jeff was emailing Dan and Karl and talking to them about the blog, telling them what he thought of their various pieces. I assumed he was thanking them behind the scenes, I guess. I’m surprised if the only feeback is here in public.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 2:08 pm #
Texas Motor Speedway is such a fun, fast track.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 2:15 pm #
I’m convinced that everyone just sort of thinks there’s a post-it somewhere what says brb – JG. Jeff’s voice was never not informed by a sense that what he was about was important. Cause it was, a lot self-evidently, but you could tell he knew. Sometimes it really sounds like he doesn’t know that anymore, and I think that can get people to wonder maybe if their efforts are sort of maybe not seen as particularly valuable. Or at least not all that big a deal. Which, that’s a lot different from how I see media developing.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/5 @ 2:32 pm #
But Orwell was Orwellian, which is always bad.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 2:42 pm #
The ability to aggregate an audience is a really big deal I think and it’s a lot premature to make any kind of judgment before the mobile audience has even begun really to approach critical mass. Dynamic POP displays like the tv thingers you see waiting in lines and a lot at restaurants and bars in LA anyway are pulling content straight off the net from YouTube and such. Think on that a sec. So why hasn’t Pajamas developed a fucking widget will be your next question.
Comment by guinsPen on 4/5 @ 2:44 pm #
You might as well admit right now that Andrew Sullivan does exist
Nope, he’s done on a soundstage in Antarctica. Used to take the family to watch the production. ‘Til dd and zono drowned them with nuisance comments, that is.
Comment by jdm on 4/5 @ 3:04 pm #
Am I missing something here? Cuz, I have to admit, I just finished a nice nap and this post & attendant comments are the first thing I’ve read while drinking some tea and Karl is whining and Jeff G is back but apologizing and well, what the hell is up?
Comment by MayBee on 4/5 @ 3:10 pm #
You know, I think Karl deserves way better than that.
Comment by Martin on 4/5 @ 3:10 pm #
Someone above characterized John Cole as the “straight version of Andrew Sullivan.” I don’t think that’s correct; I recall a post of his with a heading along the lines of: “I’m Coming Out of the Closet.” Also, he has three other fellow posters, and in private refers to Balloon Juice as being run by “three poofs and one silly ass goof.” I have the impression that the “silly ass goof” was a reference to some cracker by the name of “Tim.”
Comment by SarahW on 4/5 @ 3:12 pm #
JD TWP – Well, this underwear has nothing to do with me, but it is a pic, and it is certainly magical. and moreover suitable for guest-poster gift baskets. Mind, it is a picture of underwear on a person so use your discretion.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 3:26 pm #
BOOBS! and Vanginers!!
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 3:33 pm #
Good God, Sarah, that’s HAWT!
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 3:36 pm #
Bacon and boobs! SarahW, you rock.
Comment by David McKinnis on 4/5 @ 3:48 pm #
I miss Jeff
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 3:52 pm #
jdm,
At the risk of sounding more “whiny,” I’ll try to briefly restate my position in hopes of sounding less so.
The comments I have identified tend to provoke the same knee-jerk reaction in me, which is, “So, Jeff, why don’t you blog here more?”
I know what the answers to that question are. I understand them, and in the most immediate instance of helping his friend, admire it. But it doesn’t change the knee-jerk reaction, because it is rooted in the same wish PW regulars share to have more Jeff, however selfish that may be.
Note in particular the comment about doing something else because things are running so well here. Jeff characterizes it as a true and positive comment. But it can suggest that I am enabling his prolonged absence, which is quite contrary to my motivation for guest-blogging. As such, it creates negative reinforcement.
As for the other comments being jokey, I take Jeff at his word. But I think everyone has noticed that sometimes people write things on the ‘net that get taken more seriously than intended, which how we end up with things like this:
;-)
BTW, I’m posting this here, instead of the next thread over because I think it makes the next thread work better as a clean slate.
And really, who doesn’t like bacon and boobs? Terrorists, that’s who.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 3:52 pm #
If you mean the whining characterization I a lot agree, MayBee. I didn’t read it like that at first, but yeah. Centrifugal forces are a lot in play is the vibe I’m getting today. I don’t like it at all. I might write a letter.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 3:54 pm #
Or, you know, not.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 3:59 pm #
I think we should eat those… or at least stick them in a gas tank somewhere… you know, foreign dependence on oil and stuff…
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 4:00 pm #
oh, and as an equal opportunity whatever… I would also like to add this: penises!
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 4:04 pm #
It’s easy to get thin-skinned, guys. People come by and grumble about the fact that you’re not Jeff, and then Jeff finally shows up and says something arch that you’re not really sure how to take. And when you invest as much time and effort as Karl or I have, then that makes you wonder whether you’re really doing anything to speed Jeff’s return to posting, which is honestly what you’re hoping to have happen (even if you’ve developed a terrible blogattentionwhorecomplex).
No, we honestly don’t much communicate with Jeff. He really is busy pursuing some stuff that takes him away from the site for long periods. We do crave his approval, though. I think I speak for the other posters when I say that.
You know, that whole thing where I reproduced Zombyboy’s post lamenting Jeff’s absence was a cry for attention. Thanks for the strokes. It gives me the will to carry on.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 4:11 pm #
Dan – thanks for the comment… I am kind of an ass-hat er whatever, but I think you and Karl do a fine job.
also, I wanted to point out that that you forgot the link this: blogattentionwhorecomplex — and Nishi isn’t here to splain it to me.
Comment by MayBee on 4/5 @ 4:11 pm #
We do crave his approval, though.
I think it would be nice if he gave it to you guys.
Yeah, I’ll be your attention pimp.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 4:11 pm #
looks German.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 4:14 pm #
Luckily, a little understanding can take you a long way. Recognizing your emotional reactions, and accepting them, can be the first steps toward feeling more in control. When you become conscious of psoriasis’ emotional impact, you are better equipped to deal with it.*
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/5 @ 4:18 pm #
“You might as well admit right now that Andrew Sullivan does exist”
He’s brought to you by the people who did the Moon landing.
Comment by jdm on 4/5 @ 4:30 pm #
Karl – and Dan – and Jeff:
Jeez, you knuckleheads are scaring the shit outta me.
This is one of my primary sites to visit on a regular basis (meaning multiple times a day). As Jeff stepped back for all the reasons he stated, those he didn’t, and whatever else I understood, I have been very happy, dare I say? equally so, with his fill-ins.
As far as I’m concerned, Karl, you present the finest electoral coverage of any blog-site, bare none. I love the shit that Dan finds. I like Darleen’s posts, I like Craig’s, Sanity Inspector’s… this site also has some of the best commentators as well. I like it when Jeff posts and I like the alternatives. This site stronger for having the bunch of you.
Now. Can you rascals cut the scary crap and get back to entertaining me?
… ooh, that came out kinda bad, didn’t it?
Comment by Blue-Top Motor Court on 4/5 @ 4:47 pm #
I think it would be nice if he gave it to you guys.
Reasonable Rates.
Comment by Cernig on 4/5 @ 4:54 pm #
Aw hells, I ran outa popcorn. Gotta love Karl’s imputation that Jeff is a welfare whore living off him and Dan, who are doing the real work. Does he cut you in on advertising revenues, guys? Any split should be based on actual output, seems like.
Regards, C
Comment by Rusty on 4/5 @ 4:56 pm #
#95
Two of the top two things guys like to have in their mouths! I’m in love.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 4:56 pm #
Cernig–
Did I congratulate you on the new site?
I don’t believe Karl’s imputed any such thing. Can you show me where?
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 4:57 pm #
Tell us what you know of advertising revenues. I’ll make the popcorn.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 4:57 pm #
As for myself, I have two jobs. Sadly, this is my idea of fun.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 4:58 pm #
haps–
Get a major promotion, will you? so I can ask you for a job.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 5:01 pm #
Ack. I’m topped out where I am. I’m hoping to be interviewing later this year, so keep your fingers crossed. Well not the whole time. You can cross them later when I actually get interviews lined up or whatever.
Comment by jdm on 4/5 @ 5:01 pm #
Comment by Cernig
Ah, yes, my mistake… and then there’s the leftist trolls. Addle-brained, petty, snarky, always trivial.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 5:07 pm #
You know what also? As long as we’re being all meta and all… There has been a real dearth of Iraq posts for awhile, and the Petraeus/Crocker testimony is coming up. There are lots of military guys what come here that maybe would appreciate a bit more on that and also me.
Comment by narciso on 4/5 @ 5:16 pm #
Isn’t this really the “Robot Chicken” of Blogs, with the trolls being the scientists, were the chicken, please
discuss.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 5:17 pm #
Jeff allows us to eat here, drink here, piss in the corner, spit-up on the carpet (mostly due to Happy), kick his cats, and so on and so forth. Dan and Karl and Ms. Click, and Craig and the Inspector are making sure the beer doesn’t run out. Jeff just keeps calling home from Hawaii saying he’s been further waylaid. The complainers are like the neighbors next door. Instead of joining in, they call the cops to complain (ie. if I am too uptight to crap on Jeff’s living room floor, then no one should be able to type of thinking)… which is too bad, because the hot tub is bubbly, the BOOBS (at least the ones I have seen) are not too heinous and no one laughs at my Speed-o. Now if JD would bring us some cigars and a couple of the Guvs call girls (leaving the man-beast one behind), all would be perfectly well and good. The only thing that could improve is the music… I mean Loverboy is ok in real small doses, but Styx?
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 5:30 pm #
Jeff is still paying the bills. This is a very true thing.
Comment by guinsPen on 4/5 @ 5:31 pm #
@ #113
Jeff is a welfare whore living off him and Dan
Not only that, C, he’s living through them.
…
Creeps me out, too.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 5:34 pm #
I love all of you. Except the ones that I don’t.
Comment by B Moe on 4/5 @ 5:35 pm #
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 12:06 pm #
Thanks, Rick. I also thank JeffG for giving me the opportunity. I harbor no illusions that I would get big-blog links without the established PW platform.
Comment by Cernig on 4/5 @ 4:54 pm #
Aw hells, I ran outa popcorn. Gotta love Karl’s imputation that Jeff is a welfare whore living off him and Dan…
If you can’t read, you really should find a hobby other than blogging, or at least stay in your own playpen with the other drooling morons.
Comment by Ric Locke on 4/5 @ 5:36 pm #
As far as Iraq goes, y’all go check out Talisman Gate. I know nothing about the blogger except what he presents himself, but what he says is internally self-consistent and conforms to what I know and surmise, so I tend to credit him. Sample grafs:
That last one, especially, is the American Army (and State Department!) I know and love.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Rick Ballard on 4/5 @ 5:37 pm #
The “rape the talent and run” contract probably isn’t paying the bills. It may be that Jeff’s absence reflects that little commented upon (read the tiny print in Sanskrit) possibility. That’s a total surmise on my part but Hollywood promises have earned their reputation.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 5:38 pm #
Enoch – I have a box of Opus X’s I have been saving for the gathering this summer. And the strippers and hookers are on speed dial. All set … ;-)
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 5:47 pm #
from Ric’s link here’s a bit more on press freedom…
That’s a provocative thing to say I think – he’s talking specifically about foreign journalists – and I’m not sure about that part, but the whole thing is a great read. And who tf is Colin Kahl?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 4/5 @ 5:49 pm #
“Keep telling self: stay away from blog. Just enjoy SuperTarget. Breathe.”
Blow me, Mr. Jeff! And I mean that in a non-threatening heterosexual kind of way. POST! Comment!!! Post!!! COMMENT!!!! Please!?!?
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/5 @ 6:07 pm #
Again, what is the Cernig, and who invited it? With popcorn stuck in its teeth, no less?
Really. What would Obama say to such a slovenly, vicarious existence. YOU ARE MAKING WHITEY LOOK BAD, MR CERNIG THING!
Good DAY, sir.
Comment by Sean M. on 4/5 @ 6:08 pm #
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 6:50 pm #
How is it humanly possible to enjoy Super Target? Better Half is physically and mentally incapable of walking out of that place unless she has spent at least $150. And don’t get me started on those bright red “sale” stickers.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/5 @ 7:01 pm #
Don’t you mean saved $150? Of course you did.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 7:06 pm #
How much Better Half “saves” on the red sticker merchandise is calculated separately, haapyfeet. Our opinions differ on whether we actually save money by buying things just because they are on sale.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/5 @ 7:09 pm #
JD–
What’s the dealio on the monsterling?
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 7:39 pm #
Dan – The future half honkey racist homophobic demon spawn of mine has a hold of Better Half’s transverse colon and pancreas, and is hanging on for dear life.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/5 @ 9:22 pm #
“Our opinions differ on whether we actually save money by buying things just because they are on sale.”
Buy two. That way you save twice as much.
Comment by physics geek on 4/5 @ 9:29 pm #
From Jeff G. about Mr. Cole:
What I don’t understand is how he has an audience in the first place.
Because he says “Bush sucks and is the most evilest person ever!” over and over again. Naturally, the dipsticks at Indymedia, DU and the like flock to that sort of thing. They tongue bathe John’s anus so he does it again. Now I’m not one to criticize how someone keeps his or her tookus clean, but thinking that a sparkling clean sphincter muscle means your relevant, interesting, or even honest, is probably a poor assumption. Then again, this is John Cole that we’re talking about.
Comment by Pablo on 4/5 @ 9:33 pm #
And because he’s a “conservative.” So he gets the crossover worshipping leftbots that are too stupid to understand Excitable Andy. Which explains the lack of gravitas and the din.
Comment by Cernig on 4/5 @ 9:35 pm #
Dan, I apologise for the popcorn comment – out of turn. But you folks chose a comments thread instead of email so I figured chipping in was allowed. When my own blog became a group blog we hashed out a deal to split any and all ad revenue on a pro rata basis by author output. Anything else, I told myself, would be outrageously unfair. That’s why I asked.
Karl wrote: #17 “the passive-aggressive comment on how things were running so well at PW that you could go do something else (not exactly the way to motivate a JeffG fan like me to keep going).”
#100: “Note in particular the comment about doing something else because things are running so well here. Jeff characterizes it as a true and positive comment. But it can suggest that I am enabling his prolonged absence”
If you guys weren’t writing content, ad revenue would fall. If you are enabling Jeff to stay away, then you are equally enabling his collecting ad revenue. I assumed when you described yourselves as guests that he keeps the ad money he receives on the back of your work. What would conservatives call that if not a welfare queen? If you folks are getting the lion’s share, though, then I withdraw my comment there too.
Regards, C
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 9:42 pm #
Cernig,
We might describe the dynamic as repaying Jeff for years of enjoying his writing. Or an act of friendship. Possibly even as a charitable act.
We would not call it welfare, because the guest-blogging is voluntary. But I can see how a Lefty might not grasp that distinction.
Regards, K
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/5 @ 10:20 pm #
so, Karl, you promise Jeff doesn’t have you guys chained up in his basement? or there’s some kind of blackmail involved? you can tell me. no really.
Comment by McGehee on 4/5 @ 10:28 pm #
That was the other place.
Now it’s the attic.
Comment by JD on 4/5 @ 10:34 pm #
Cernig seems to just want to stir things up. Fucker.
Comment by Karl on 4/5 @ 10:42 pm #
JD,
True, but also ineffective. Shocka.
Comment by daleyrocks on 4/5 @ 10:48 pm #
Cernig splits things equally with that single digit Libby? He might be worried against discriminating against the mentally retarded, but seriously, who does she have pictures of to rate that treatment given the vapidity of her writing?
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/5 @ 11:09 pm #
Cernig is, alas, an ass-monkey.
Comment by Ric Locke on 4/5 @ 11:18 pm #
Happyfeet, if you haven’t already gone for it, here is a useful introduction to Colin Kahl. Summary: if all the leftists were like that it would be easy to come to terms, and if I thought Obama was really using his advice I’d be a lot happier overall. A quote from a Lois Bujold character comes to mind: “Dark and black isn’t the sum of realism. All the other colors are real, too.”
Regards,
Ric
Comment by JohnDDoyle on 4/5 @ 11:40 pm #
Son of a bitch! That was the most entertaining look into the addled minds of PW I has ever done seen! All the thin-skinned whining and rationalizing and hurt feelings for all the manly, right-thinking conservative types. Makes a guy want to stop comptrolling for large insurance companies…almost.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/5 @ 11:49 pm #
ah, this explains so much.
Comment by Ted Nugent's Soul Patch on 4/6 @ 12:01 am #
“Because he says “Bush sucks and is the most evilest person ever!†over and over again. Naturally, the dipsticks at Indymedia, DU and the like flock to that sort of thing. They tongue bathe John’s anus so he does it again.”
This, IMO, was the most striking thing about Cole’s move to the left. Even before l’affaire Schiavo, he always seemed to me as the kind of person who desperately wants to be popular and ends up adopting the positions of those around him so they will tell him how wonderful and smart he is. Still, I didn’t mind his increasingly persistent critiques of the Bush administration because to be honest, there’s been a lot to criticize from a libertarian-leaning and classical liberal perspective.
However, I stopped taking him seriously after he took Krugman’s fact-free analysis on the Graeme Frost nonsense and adopted it as his own. His unquestioning acceptance of Krugman’s misrepresentation of the arguments of Frosts’ critics is when he revealed himself as a purely reactionary individual, who could no longer develop a sober analysis outside of his preconcieved notions and the opinions of his commenters. Look no further than his promotion of Josh Marshall’s implication that criticism of Obama is equivalent to racism for evidence of this in action.
His commenters are priceless, too–a collection of slightly more educated Democratic Underground refugees who seem to think that the body heat given off by the human population of the earth is contributing to global warming.
Comment by B Moe on 4/6 @ 12:10 am #
Anything else, I told myself, would be outrageously unfair.
As long as you have it on good authority.
Comment by Karl on 4/6 @ 12:23 am #
JDD,
You are easily amused. Anotha shocka.
Comment by Lesley on 4/6 @ 1:55 am #
SarahW: you are really on a roll with artistic creations in swine flesh. I appreciate that fey aspect of your personality.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/6 @ 2:26 am #
Thanks, Ric. I will get learned up about Colin tomorrow. Tonight got away from me.
Comment by Sean M. on 4/6 @ 2:31 am #
You know, I’m easily amused, too, but I don’t hang around at sites where I tend to disagree with the bloggers and/or commenters and try to insult them. I’m not a jagoff like that.
Comment by Sean M. on 4/6 @ 2:33 am #
I try to save my jagoffery for my meatspace friends and family. They find it endearing, I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/6 @ 2:53 am #
Oh. Ric. Almost forgot. There’s a white paper thinger you can get here. It’s from the Progressive Governance Summit that was in England this weekend. It’s called A Progressive Global Deal On Climate Change. I haven;t read it all yet, but here’s a sense of it.
It’s really scary.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/6 @ 2:55 am #
Ack. It’s late.
Comment by datadave on 4/6 @ 7:16 am #
Meatheads! that was hilarious.
damn, I’m driving up ad revenue again. (kudos to Karl even if he’s so wrong!!!)
ah, time to clean out the cages and spread the Bunnie poop.
Comment by Pablo on 4/6 @ 8:36 am #
Someone doesn’t understand the advertising structure in place here. Among many, many other things.
Comment by Darleen on 4/6 @ 9:22 am #
Oh, geez louise, I’m away from the ‘puter on Saturday on twins duty and missed all this.
Karl … I don’t take JeffG’s comments as a p/a poke or criticism at you at all. Sure, I’d love the boss back here much more, yet you have contributed A+ posts on what is your obvious strength as the prodigious pulminary political specialist. I’m always delighted at your depth of knowledge, research and analysis. It has allowed me to concentrate on cultural tics. Add Dan’s wonderfully eclectic scattershot and the on-point postings from C Craig and TSI and PW is really e pluribus unum in action. Yes, it’s still JeffG’s place and I, too, look forward to more of him because his voice and outlook is unique. Yet without this opportunity I would have never gotten linked by NRO (even though it wasn’t The Corner). You and Dan are pulling a lot of the weight and I cheer your Insta-launches and Hot Air linkings. JeffG has spent a lot of time and done some fine writing worthy of any graduate school lecture service, yet has gotten less than a pork chop in return. Indeed, some of the most infamous examples of how much political extremism smirks from behind a veil of snotty academia is to recall some of the ad hominem reactions to JeffG’s serious pieces.
I love this place because of JeffG and like you, I take my posting here as an exercise in offering up whatever I can to make this place successful as a mere downpayment on all the years of enjoyment I’ve had reading nothing but JeffG.
Jesus on Pony, guys, don’t make me travel to administer spankings …
… uh, wait a minute …
Comment by Darleen on 4/6 @ 9:24 am #
cernig
bite me
and I see dementednazidave is giggling.
Comment by JD on 4/6 @ 9:37 am #
Karl – Refering to “O’Doyle rulez” as JDD really is pretty mean to me.
Comment by Jeff G. on 4/6 @ 12:06 pm #
Stop yapping here in the comments, plebes, and go make me some new content. I have a jet that needs fuelin’ — and the gang Hef’s place won’t stay naked waiting for me forever.
CHOPCHOP!
Comment by guinsPen on 4/6 @ 5:46 pm #
So we’re the Commies.
Who knew?
Comment by guinsPen on 4/6 @ 5:52 pm #
169 for 143.
Comment by guinsPen on 4/6 @ 5:55 pm #
author output
May I have the envelope, please?
Comment by guinsPen on 4/6 @ 6:03 pm #
If you folks are getting the lion’s share
Help!
What’s the old There’s a Pony Around Here Somewhere joke?
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