Politico puts lie to Obama’s pragmatic progressive claims
During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion  positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign. [...]
Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he “never saw or approved†the questionnaire.
They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who “unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position.â€Â
But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama  the day after sitting for the interview  filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer.
As interesting as Barry’s nuance goes, there’s also this Youtube clip were he intones:
Look, I got two daughters  9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.
I’m thinking, where have I heard this kind of sentiment before? Babies as disease, babies as punishment — pregnancy as plague.
“If I were to describe it, I’d say the masculine philosophy of female sexuality is, “God gave women a virginity as a treat for their husbands, properly selected as their fathers, so that these husbands can get the thrill out of symbolically dominating you through blood and pain on your wedding night. If you deprive your husband and master of this right by having sex before marriage, god will punish you with STDs or unwanted pregnancy.”
~~St. Amanda Fornicatus of Pandagon
Barry doesn’t say “my daughters should be free to choose their own path, to have or not have a baby”, he says his daughters should rid themselves of a “disease”.
Interesting.
UPDATE: Barry’s other Reverend problem [note: link is to Gaywired.com, not a p0rn site but an adult-oriented site]
(h/t Hugh Hewitt)
UPDATE 2: ignore the above, citizen of the world Alice Walker sez we must vote for Obama because …
He is the change America has been trying desperately and for centuries to hide, ignore, kill. The change it must have if we are to convince the rest of the world that we care about people other than our (white) selves.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/31 @ 5:57 pm #
Well, God does seem to reward a lot of young couples with infertility.
Comment by sashal on 3/31 @ 6:11 pm #
that’s it, Darleen. Your post was a final straw.
I am not voting for Barak. Baby as a punishment? What an ass….
Comment by Pablo on 3/31 @ 6:13 pm #
Hope! Change!
But you’ll have to really want to change.
Comment by Pablo on 3/31 @ 6:30 pm #
While we’re at it, you really ought to read this: His Bravest Moment
You know who just needs a great big hug? David Duke. And just to make sure we’re reaching across the aisle, let’s give Fred Phelps one too.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/31 @ 6:35 pm #
Darleen,
This clip really should put the fork in Obama. I know it won’t, but it is offensive in so many ways. On the other hand, maybe it will end PC for all time. So many groups who would feel real pain upon hearing this. Miscarriages, Downs parents, Infertile couples, adopted children etc. ad infinitum.
Soon it will be okay to say, “I’m teaching my children to get a good education and live in a gated community so they will not be punished by having to live among minorities.”
Comment by alppuccino on 3/31 @ 6:37 pm #
And I’m for the abolishment of PC.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/31 @ 6:40 pm #
And now I’ve got “GayWired” in my search history on my company laptop. Thanks Darleen. Thanks a lot.
Comment by Darleen on 3/31 @ 6:46 pm #
argh, sorry, al (flush the cache)… I’ll note a warning.
Comment by Merovign on 3/31 @ 6:54 pm #
Hey, that Alice Walker, what a card…
…no, wait, card’s not the right word. I was thinking of… sounds like card…
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/31 @ 6:54 pm #
Are people this ignorant of history? It’s as if there were no oppression before the founding of the USA, that the US has been desperately clawing to maintain its oppressive fingers on the entire world.
Seriously, are these people that ignorant?
Comment by lee on 3/31 @ 6:54 pm #
The change it must have if we are to convince the rest of the world that we care about people other than our (white) selves.
I care about brown/black people.
Gotta admit though, I care about my own white self.
First.
Is that wrong?
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/31 @ 6:57 pm #
And now I’ve got “GayWired†in my search history on my company laptop. Thanks Darleen. Thanks a lot.
dude… in the corp world that’s like insurance against ever getting fired. roll with it, metro-man!
Comment by Cowboy on 3/31 @ 6:59 pm #
My daughters have little Polly Pocket figurines. About a half inch tall, made of hard plastic. The ones they are currently playing with are blue. Trying to walk quietly through the living room to sneak a snack last night, I steppend on one of them.
Now everyone in the family cares about little f**king blue people!!!
Comment by Rightwingsparkle on 3/31 @ 7:09 pm #
Punished with a baby???????? OMG! I think I am seriously gonna puke!
I thought nothing could be worse than Hillary. I think I was wrong.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/31 @ 7:10 pm #
Darleen–
Love the Sea Gorechin image!
Comment by McGehee on 3/31 @ 7:13 pm #
Mac-ist!
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 7:20 pm #
Barry doesn’t say “my daughters should be free to choose their own path, to have nor not have a babyâ€Â, he says his daughters should rid themselves of a “diseaseâ€Â.
No, he doesn’t. Unless you’ve got a lot more of the speech than you’ve given us, you are unfairly distorting what he said. I’m not shilling for Obama, but come on. There is no way to read what he said as “babies are a disease.” I know it’s an election year, but geez.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 3/31 @ 7:24 pm #
Are people this ignorant of history? It’s as if there were no oppression before the founding of the USA, that the US has been desperately clawing to maintain its oppressive fingers on the entire world.
Seriously, are these people that ignorant?
If they emigrated and protested other countries that really are as oppressive as they insist America is, they might be imprisoned or killed! We wouldn’t want that to happen, now do we? Have some consideration, man.
Comment by cynn on 3/31 @ 7:25 pm #
The truth is, you are afraid of Obama. It’a the carkey factor.
(heh) — meant to type “darkey,” but that’s better.
Comment by Rightwingsparkle on 3/31 @ 7:26 pm #
Oh no, babies aren’t a “disease.” They are just a “punishment.”
Ugh. Sick. I’m just disgusted.
Comment by lee on 3/31 @ 7:26 pm #
Actually, I think Ardsgaine has a point.
A baby is punishment is enough to garner heaping piles of contempt on it’s own.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 3/31 @ 7:31 pm #
Everyone knows that it isn’t babies that are punishment. It’s teenagers.
Comment by cynn on 3/31 @ 7:35 pm #
hear,hear. Ardsgaine is right. Quit trying to give Obama the convenient wedgie. Hillary’s got that covered.
Comment by lee on 3/31 @ 7:38 pm #
But then again, there are those, one of which haunts us here, who believe a fetus isn’t a baby until a future point after an abortion, and before that point, it is just an inviable tissue mass. Something to be cut out if disagreeable.
I do believe the aforementioned TTP once referred to a fertilized human egg, before six months, to be a tumor of some sort.
I think we can make certain assumptions about the “most liberal Senator” and his intent.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/31 @ 7:39 pm #
Who is he arguing with exactly? I don’t think anyone has said the little Obama girls shouldn’t be given information. I’ll start. Your daddy is a socialist Hugo Chavez-wannabe phony.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 3/31 @ 8:10 pm #
Socialism turns babies into a plague, folks. For all of its faults, Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” nailed that concept perfectly. No longer seen as hands to work and brains to create, children are mouths to feed and each one that comes into the world takes a little bit from that common pot we’re all forced to draw on.
Comment by J. Peden on 3/31 @ 8:19 pm #
Hoo-doggies, Jethro: another perfectly bigoted solopsist. Must be we’re watchin’ PBS.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 8:20 pm #
A baby is punishment is enough to garner heaping piles of contempt on it’s own.
Okay. So having a baby at 16 isn’t a hardship? It wouldn’t be a bad consequence?
It might be possible to claim that Obama is pushing responsibility for the consequence off of the teenager by calling it a punishment, as if it were externally imposed. That would be a stretch, because it puts too much emphasis on word choice in an extemporaneous speech. At any rate, that’s not Darleen’s argument here. She’s claiming: 1) that Obama is somehow wrong for not thinking that having a baby at 16 is a blessing; and 2) that Obama is equating babies with STDs. I disagree on both counts. He’s not wrong that having a baby at 16 is a hardship, and he is in no way equating babies with STDs.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/31 @ 8:26 pm #
I’d say there’s alot of equating going on there.
Comment by J. Peden on 3/31 @ 8:32 pm #
The truth is, you are afraid of Obama. It’a the carkey factor.
(heh)  meant to type “darkey,†but that’s better.
Hey, Uncle Jed, Uncle Jed, thar’s another one of them PBS’s over yonder.
Comment by Darleen on 3/31 @ 8:40 pm #
Ardsgaine
If I wasn’t as familiar with the clit-supremacy crowd as I am, I would concede your point. However, “pregnancy as punishment” is a long flogged theme wherein Vagina Warriors like Amanda, et al, decry any personal responsibility for sexual restraint as GodBotherer Patriarchal Oppression of womyn’s sexuality.
Obama spoke off the cuff and with language that belies his “moderate” pr cultivation. Obama equated babies with STD’s…both “punishment” in regards to some “lack” of education (ie condoms on bananas and passing out pills at schools).
If conservative are publically excoriated as “haters” for equating homosexuality with alcoholism, why give Barry a pass?
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 8:41 pm #
Who is he arguing with exactly? I don’t think anyone has said the little Obama girls shouldn’t be given information. I’ll start. Your daddy is a socialist Hugo Chavez-wannabe phony.
I guess the full context of the quote would make that clearer, but we don’t have it. That’s part of my problem with this post. There’s nothing in the quote that comes anywhere near “God damn America,” but people are gasping like “OMG, here’s one more example!” The most I can make out of it is that the man is arguing for sex education in schools. Surprise! He’s a socialist! You could have knocked me over with a feather when I found out. Well, it would have to have been a big feather.
Here’s a suggestion though. Instead of wasting time cherry picking his speeches for gotchas, how about reasserting the argument against socialism, or better yet, reasserting the argument for capitalism? Anyone here know how to do that?
Comment by ThomasD on 3/31 @ 8:50 pm #
Um, OK, because nothing sways the electorate like wonky position papers.
Maybe we could all just break out our copies of Hayek and read them on streetcorners?
Comment by Darleen on 3/31 @ 8:51 pm #
Ardsgaine
Also, there is a wide difference between an unwelcome consequence of behavior — be it pregnancy for having unprotected sex or lung cancer for smoking … and viewing that consequence as a deserved punishment for the behavior. Most pro-life and reluctant pro-choicers (I consider myself the latter) are in the former group, while
pro-abortionreproduction rights advocates claim WE are really the latter.I don’t think of babies as “punishment” nor even STDS. Neither do I believe smokers “deserve” lung cancer even if I believe someone may have behaved recklessly in either case.
Pregnancy is at most a mere inconvenience of several months duration for the woman involved. To treat babies as if they are a plague to be immediately snuffed out least the female involved feel punished.
The laughable irony is that people like Amanda demand that female promiscuity be without consequence and celebrated, yet run insulting photoshops “Vagina, it is not a clown car” over stories of women who CHOOSE to have more than a couple children.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/31 @ 8:54 pm #
Had Obama said something to the effect of ‘I’m in favor of sex-ed because I don’t want my grandchild to be raised by a sixteen year old’ I might have agreed with him.
Comment by TomH on 3/31 @ 8:56 pm #
Vagina Warriors rock. So glad I read the comments. I’ll invite you to my next cockfight.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 8:57 pm #
Obama spoke off the cuff and with language that belies his “moderate†pr cultivation. Obama equated babies with STD’s…both “punishment†in regards to some “lack†of education (ie condoms on bananas and passing out pills at schools).
I’m sure you are right that Obama is speaking in leftist lingo, and if that was the only point you were trying to make, it would be a simple thing to agree. I can’t agree, however, that you can get “babies = STDs” out of what he’s saying. That’s an unfair characterization.
Worse, it’s not even necessary. Who in the world doesn’t know that Obama is a proud proponent of the welfare state? If the point is to hang the liberal label on him, then consider it done. The problem with socialism isn’t that it’s secular or that it’s advocated by people who are pro-choice. It doesn’t suddenly become a good thing when it gets a Christian gloss from some idiot like Huckabee. The problem with socialism is that it is 1) a grossly immoral violation of individual rights; and 2) a total disaster as an economic system. Why nitpick Obama’s word choices when the man has declared in no uncertain terms that the cure for what ails us is more socialism?
Comment by Darleen on 3/31 @ 9:04 pm #
Why nitpick Obama’s word choices when the man has declared in no uncertain terms that the cure for what ails us is more socialism?
You don’t hang around Obama true-believers much, do you?
Comment by ThomasD on 3/31 @ 9:09 pm #
He called STDs and babies punishment, right?
Perhaps, this is something a little more ‘fundamental’ to certain people. Maybe even bigger than chosen forms of economic organization. Hell, something that might even turn some avowed socialists off.
Comment by JD TWP on 3/31 @ 9:40 pm #
pregnancy as punishment
How any parent could ever even give voice to such a position is truly remarkable.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 9:45 pm #
Also, there is a wide difference between an unwelcome consequence of behavior  be it pregnancy for having unprotected sex or lung cancer for smoking … and viewing that consequence as a deserved punishment for the behavior. Most pro-life and reluctant pro-choicers (I consider myself the latter) are in the former group, while pro-abortion reproduction rights advocates claim WE are really the latter.
Okay, but that’s different from saying that Obama believes that babies are a punishment. If you believe that he’s saying that religious conservatives oppose sex education because they do not want teenagers to be able to circumvent God’s punishment for the sin of promiscuity, that’s a different argument altogether.
Comment by Darleen on 3/31 @ 9:51 pm #
Ardsgaine
Are we nitpicking here? Obama is campaigning as a post-racialist uniter. Someone who is really just like you and me (with a six figure income, mansion, ivy league education, etc). Yet every probe below the slick surface reveals someone steeped in Chicago style machine politics with a perchant for far leftist dogma.
Yes, I think his language reveals the far left mindset as one of “babies” as an option…they are only “real” when the the uterus-holder declares them so. If one disagrees, then one is an old, nasty conservative with the ulterior motive to “punish” the uterus bearer for being a “slut”.
Just posted on feministe:
Obama is no moderate.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 9:51 pm #
You don’t hang around Obama true-believers much, do you?
Astonishingly enough, no.
Comment by geoffb on 3/31 @ 9:56 pm #
This is from a while back but it shows Obama’s position on abortion is farther to the left than most.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 9:58 pm #
Perhaps, this is something a little more ‘fundamental’ to certain people. Maybe even bigger than chosen forms of economic organization.
Hence my growing discomfort with the Republican party. Apparently, a large number of its members have decided that economic systems are simply a matter of collective preference, and whatever the majority favors is for the best. So much for the Reagan revolution.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/31 @ 10:03 pm #
Charles Grassley can’t live forever.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 3/31 @ 10:08 pm #
Yes, I think his language reveals the far left mindset as one of “babies†as an option…they are only “real†when the the uterus-holder declares them so.
You mean he favors the right to an abortion? Like Giuliani? And me?
I’m sorry, I tend to see the right/left divide in terms of individualism vs collectivism, not Judeo-Christianity vs secular humanism. So when you equate pro-choice with far left, it leaves me a little disoriented.
You did say earlier that you are pro-choice, right?
Comment by Alec Leamas on 3/31 @ 10:53 pm #
“The laughable irony is that people like Amanda demand that female promiscuity be without consequence and celebrated”
I think Amanda is into female promiscuity in theory and vicariously, not in a using-her-own-vagina-indiscriminately sort of way she would like you to believe – hipster posing, really. Once, I knew a kid who liked the idea of football far, far better than, you know, playing actual football, which he did rarely, if ever.
Also, I’ve seen pics of Punkass Marc – does that kind of promiscuity really count? I mean, that is the kind of sex that we’d all rather pretend didn’t occur for aesthetic reasons, so I’ll demur to Amanda and Marc and resolve that the Patriarchy shall give them a special dispensation for whatsoever as long as we don’t have to come to terms with the fact that their intercourse actually occurs in some three dimensional, reality-based world. In short, I refuse to validate something so thoroughly unappealing with my disapproval.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/31 @ 11:08 pm #
If I wasn’t as familiar with the clit-supremacy crowd as I am, I would concede your point. However, “pregnancy as punishment†is a long flogged theme wherein Vagina Warriors like Amanda, et al, decry any personal responsibility for sexual restraint as GodBotherer Patriarchal Oppression of womyn’s sexuality.
This is exactly right.
Girls Gone Wild feminist sexual bots done got punished with the evil patriarchal rapist seed!
I was reading this on politico the other night and so many Obamaites were all enlightened that he said so many new and thoughtful ideas about abortion – that he “understands” and wait for it – “concedes” this is a difficult issue and he “understands” and “admits” it’s a moral issue – suddenly Obama supporters are all enamored with these new and innovative concepts and ideas like adoption being a viable alternative to abortion etc. etc.
He’s a prophet.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 3/31 @ 11:17 pm #
I’ll add – “babies qua punishment” is just a cheap way of insisting that your political interlocutors’ good faith and noble intentions are fraudulent – i.e., that they really don’t care about nascent babies, and their real motivation is to hurt women who break their rules. Of course, this analysis skips blithely over the very real possibility that people can a) care about the human dignity of nascent babies; and, at the same time b) understand that by its nature, abortion changes the risk calculus of people such that abortions beget more abortions and so on.
If you accept that at a certain point along human gestation, an entity that is both alive, and that has its own distinct human DNA is something other than a cyst or polyp, you tend not to characterize that entity in such dismissive terms. It is something with innate value, and therefore deserves to at least be weighed as significant in the process of moral reasoning. Obama’s statement reveals that he thinks the nascent human to be a thing insignificant.
What Obama’s statement tells me is that he has been through some of the Nation’s finest and most expensive Idiot Mills and hasn’t applied a shred of independent thought or judgment along the way. He happily apes the preferred euphemisms as if they were his own, and in doing so reveals that, at the very least, he is an orthodox Leftist without meaningful reflection or introspection.
He is a thinly stuffed shirt and I shall thoroughly enjoy his defeat – whenever it comes to pass.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/31 @ 11:18 pm #
I’ll demur to Amanda and Marc and resolve that the Patriarchy shall give them a special dispensation for whatsoever as long as we don’t have to come to terms with the fact that their intercourse actually occurs in some three dimensional, reality-based world. In short, I refuse to validate something so thoroughly unappealing with my disapproval.
Yeah, it’s like when you try an imagine your parents doing the hunky bo bo. It’s horrible and unimaginable all at the same time.
Comment by J. Peden on 4/1 @ 2:11 am #
The “pro-life†movement very much uses forced pregnancy as a slut-punishing tool, placing children squarely in the category of “punishment†rather than “joy”
Jethro, the more I ponder on it, the more those PBSer’s sure seem powerful afflicted with some mighty awful disease I ain’t never seen before watchin’ these here higher educationals about themselves. I wouldn’t rightly say it’s a punishment, but I’m sure afeared Granny’s finally met her match in the doctorin’ business.
Yeah, Uncle Jed, I reckon they’s sayin’ my mom’s a slut and I’m a punishment instead of a wonderous responsibility, so when’s they gonna’ blow up?
Can’t rightly say, Son, but it might could be something we ain’t never seen back in the Hills – hmmm…might not even be good. So we’d best gather the youngin’s over yonder around the concrete pond just in case the PBSer’s make some kind of unholy fire ball when they explode. I reckon most of their own young probably take joy in life just like you and me, Jethro.
Ok, Uncle Jed, but I still hope they blow up good, real good.
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Comment by SarahW on 4/1 @ 7:35 am #
Alec – props to you for not willfully misunderstanding the choice of words, and finding the real flaw in them.
Comment by Darleen on 4/1 @ 7:35 am #
#47 Ardsgaine
There is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Most pro-choicers concede that pregnancy involves a nascent human life and abortion is a tragic option. And most don’t mince words that abortion done for convenience may be legal but it is immoral.
Obama’s “unwanted babies are a disease” is part of the pro-abortion wing that doesn’t even believe a baby born alive during a late-term abortion should be saved. He voted three times AGAINST “born alive” laws.
Comment by Big Dan on 4/1 @ 7:35 am #
Can you pick a different 60’s high-concept TV show, please?
Comment by Robbie on 4/1 @ 8:19 am #
Did this myopic black woman not witness the tsunami that hit South Asia a few years ago? Did she not witness millions of Americans (many of them white) donating millions-upon-millions of dollars, time, and energy to help the people (non-white) who were affected/
Does Walker really not understand the people of the United States are by far the most generous and caring people on this planet when it comes to helping the rest of this planet’s less fortunate peoples?
It’s not enough  she insists that the only way to care more is to elect a black man.
Comment by Ardsgaine on 4/1 @ 8:30 am #
And most don’t mince words that abortion done for convenience may be legal but it is immoral.
I don’t know what is meant by convenience. Carrying a pregnancy to term is more than an inconvenience, especially for a teenager.
On what basis, though, do you call abortion immoral? If you believe it is murder, then what reasons do you think can justify it?
Comment by JD TWP on 4/1 @ 8:35 am #
Carrying a pregnancy to term is more than an inconvenience,
Yeah. Words like a blessing, a joy, a gift, etc … immediately pop into mind.
Comment by J. Peden on 4/1 @ 8:54 am #
Can you pick a different 60’s high-concept TV show, please?
Another virulent Clinton/HillBilly hater, I presume, like Alice Walker?…naw, just kidding.
Comment by McGehee on 4/1 @ 8:57 am #
Not quite. She wouldn’t say it’s “not enough.” She’d say it’s mere packaging to foolmourselves and others into thinking we care, when of course we really don’t. And so, only by electing a black man as president can we show AT ALL that we care, for real and for true.
The fact so many white liberals support Obama because they want to pretend they haven’t been practicing the soft bigotry of low expectations all their lives, utterly escapes her.
Comment by McGehee on 4/1 @ 8:59 am #
Your question isn’t addressed to me, but I’ll put in my two cents: I think abortion is killing, but not necessarily murder. My problem with the pro-choice argument is its unwillingness to face up to the fact that it’s killing.
Comment by J. Peden on 4/1 @ 9:31 am #
Words like “responsibility” and “amazing accomplishment”, are strangely occasioned, too.
By chance, one of my daughters just gave birth and life to such a miracle 8 days ago. She was very happy to not be pregnant anymore – during which time her mother became ill and died, with my daughter as her at home Nurse – but that happiness was the miniscule part of it all.
She took responsibility for her first one, too, an inconvenient mistake and now a wonderous four year old.
She’s still “pro-choice”, I think.
Comment by J. Peden on 4/1 @ 10:58 am #
If you believe it is murder, then what reasons do you think can justify it?
Ok, here goes:
Not knowing any better at the time, I thought Roe v Wade was an acceptable compromise between what seemed to be arguably-enough a person’s right to have dominion over their own body, and the fact that an Implanted zygote+ will most likely become a “full” human being/person if not aborted by nature or by active intervention on the part of those already having become “persons” – thus in the latter case essentially involving a murder not really different in effect from removing a full fledged, legal person from existence.
[Why won't those involved simply admit it instead of trying to nuance us unto nonsense by arguing ad nauseum about the legal definition of a "person", whether a mass of tissue is "viable", whether a fetus "feels pain", and so on?]
So that the only ones who could possibly justify such murders would be the ones actually doing the murdering. They were given the right by society to take on this issue as a compromise involving rights, and they were given the sole responsibility to justify this kind of act to themselves. The rest of us – society – simply let them do it.
But what they have done with this opportunity, now revealed as essentially involving a rabidly zealous death-worshipping and society-destroying obsession, therefore involves a violation of the right and responsibility they were given by society in the first place, and in my thinking requires them to either cease their perverted practices or else try to explain why their murdering has not become merely a weapon in service of their own narcissistic violence and control needs – to the obvious detriment of our society.
So now I’m quite satisfied with being anti-choice – also since I see no reason why Women should hold the existence of all future humans as prisoners of their whims and hateful dysfunctions, both in theory and in fact in far too many cases.
That’s not their right.
But what else is new about this case of Progressives ruining nearly everything they can get their greedy-needy hands on? You know, so they can “help” us and the “children”.
And I’m not about to hold my breath waiting for Progressives to reasonably explain what is in fact their burdens.
Comment by Darleen on 4/1 @ 6:22 pm #
I don’t know what is meant by convenience.
When the abortion is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. IE if an abortion is done because someone is going to miss graduation, drop out of college for a semester, put off the cruise to Alaska..that is convenience. Don’t want to raise the child? Adoption.
An amoral abortion is one done because of rape or incest. A moral abortion is one done to save the life of the mother. A moral abortions is one done when the fetus is incapable of life outside the womb.
Carrying a pregnancy to term is more than an inconvenience, especially for a teenager. How so? If we are talking under the age of say, 16, there may be more health problems and certainly that raises the possibility that an abortion may be recommended medically. But most teens (17 18 19) who get pregnant are more than capable of a successful, routine pregnancy and delivery. Indeed, human females are most fertile in late teens through mid-20’s. Fertility and the success of carrying a child to full term drops precipitively after 30.
I understand that induced/medical abortions should remain legal … draconian laws to the contrary have a huge cost to society. But the stance of American society should be one that is honest enough to say that convenience abortions should not be celebrated.
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