Last Friday, Hugh Hewitt ran clips of Michelle Obama’s speech at UCLA a couple of weeks ago. The clips are informative in ways that Barak’s own speeches are not. Not that Michelle actually says anything more substansive than Barry the Hopemeister. He is all music and no lyric. And while Michelle does her best work in the harmony department, there are some clever and subtle themes being played that, standing alone, should give us pause.
Unlike our host, Jeff G., I don’t have the deep academic background to discuss all the finer semiotic points. And Ed Morrissey tackles the matters of policy in this speech. I want to look at Michelle’s UCLA speech from a POV more inline with advertising, marketing and public speaking. How is Michelle’s message constructed to speak to, and energize, the Democrat base while making palatable some ideas that the general public might reject? How does Michelle’s style of delivery advance or contradict her words?
If you haven’t heard Michelle’s speech, here is Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 and Part 4. As you’re watching it, notice Michelle’s performance as you’re listening to the words. Notice her clothing, hair, body language and the dynamics of her delivery. Indeed, after listening to the speech once, watch snippets of it again without the sound.
Where I’d like to begin is with Michelle’s appearance and how her style of dress, pictured at upper right, was as tailored to a college crowd as her pin-striped suiting (pictured right) was chosen to deliver a message to the crowd gathered in New Hampshire in May 2007. In NH, Michelle was the serious, buttoned-down wife of a presidential candidate sitting quietly on the sidelines until she was “spontaneously” asked why someone should vote for her husband.
“He’s a man who has put his values before his profit. He’s not running for president because he wants to be president. That’s sort of the irony in it. He’s running for president because he believes we can do better as a country.”
At UCLA she was center stage and her studied-casual outfit of khaki pants, cap sleeve blouse and costume jewelry was telling the students and the rest of the Los Angeles crowd “Don’t see me as an Ivy-league-trained lawyer and Senator’s wife, I’m just regular folk; a soccer mom, a PTA mom.” Her hair is pulled back, “Like you, I don’t have time to fuss over myself, not that I value that fussiness anyway. You and me, we have more important things to discuss.” Michelle’s choice is to put her audience at ease with an image of woman who wouldn’t be out of place at their own backyard BBQ.
Now, onto Michelle’s performance and how she moves easily between preacher and scold and how close she comes to letting anger take over.
Effective public speaking is a talent. Whether one is a pitchman for the latest multi-level marketing scheme or a standup comedian, reaching out and connecting with largely anonymous audiences and keeping them awake is a skill that is innate. One can learn certain skills, one can improve on delivery and technique, but the true showman revels on the stage. We’ve already seen the fine oratory skills of Barack; the soaring rhetoric and the emotion he evokes from his audiences. Read the same speeches and one is struck by vapidness, such is his skill in delivery.
Michelle is another formidable speaker. She dominates the stage. A purposeful stride to the podium and she lays open her bare arms upon it, alternately gripping it or gesturing towards the audience. She gestures often, bringing her hand up to shoulder level, using her hand as a conductor does a baton, punctuating her points. Her voice is trained, relaxed throat so the sounds are full and round, and she uses a singer’s dynamic of pushing up from the diaphram to give forceful emphasis without shrillness. Other times she drops her voice without going quiet, an intimate tone mirrored by body language of the only times when she drops her arms to her sides and gestures inward with her hands — “See, we are in this together.” Michelle as a speaker wants the audience to be engaged by her performance so they will be emotionally invested in her message.
And her message starts out as populist as anything erstwhile Dem candidate John Edwards ever put out. In part 1, at 1:53
“We are so close in this country to being a united statesâ€Â
Michelle picks up the Edwards’ theme of “two Americas”. However, the dreaded Other, the “they” that keep “regular folk” down is never directly articulated. It is just assumed. She spends the first part of this speech talking about her daughters and at 2:23
“I want my girls to travel this world with prideâ€Â
Michelle never says why they can’t do that now. She never articulates “My girls would be ashamed to be Americans abroad because what THEY have done to our county”. Her audience applauds and cheers her line because they get it. They’ve heard it before and Michelle doesn’t have repeat it. She then moves on from her daughters to universalize her wants for all children — at 2:20
“in 2008 we should be in a place where children can dream any kind of life for themselves regardless of their race, their gender their socio-economic status. They should be able to dream big dreams and know they are going to have the love and resources of this entire nation behind them. That is the least we can do for our children. But the truth is we are not there yet.â€Â
Michelle’s speech is full of images of strong, intact, traditional families. She refers often to her own upbringing in such a home, yet she cleverly uses the device to promote a message, not of individual or familial responsibility, but of government as ultimate fulfiller of dreams. Dream your dreams and it will be government to fund them for you. Do it for the children.
“They” haven’t only failed the children, so they are restricted in their dreams and cannot travel abroad without being ashamed, but “they” have also made the children, and us, afraid. At 4:24
“and we are still a nation that is too guided by fear. We have become afraid of everyone and everything and the problem with [fear] is that is it clouds our judgment and it cuts us off, it cuts us off from one another in our own homes, in our own communities and it has certainly cut us off from the rest of the world.â€Â
Stop the fear and the world will love us again! Nope, we’ve never heard that meme before. Again, the “they” are responsible for America being unloved” is implied and gets nods and agreements from an audience that is thinking “Michelle knows I get it! She really speaks to me!”.
Michelle’s brand of populism is more subtly marketed than Edwards’. She wraps it in a cozy package of her own upbringing and contrasts it with a contemporary America she finds wanting. At 7:51
“The truth about America is that the story of my father is the American story. See most Americans are like my father; they just don’t want much. Folks don’t want much. Folks want to know that if they get up and go to work everyday that they’ll earn enough to take care of their families. They want to know that they can ensure their kids get a decent education at those neighborhood public schools around the corner. They want to know if they get sick they won’t go bankrupt. They want to know after a life time of hard work they can retire with a little respect and dignity. That’s all folks want. But the sad truth in this country today is that little bitty slice of life that folks are looking for has become out of reach for most Americans. The simple little life I had has become a virtual impossibility. And we all know this. You see jobs like my father had, those blue collar jobs – outta reach. Dwindling. Disappearing. And if you’re lucky enough to have a job, salaries aren’t keeping up with the cost of living so everybody has got to work.â€Â
Isn’t nice to know that Michelle knows exactly what “most folks” want? If you have a job, you’re lucky. But watch out, because “they” aren’t paying you enough — NOT that the government (local, state, fed) has increasingly taken bigger chunks out of your paycheck over the decades.
Michelle is a big advocate for the public school system. She offers herself up as “a product” of the neighborhood school. However, if all “regular folk” who “didn’t want much” stayed that way, there would have been no public school for her to attend. It is people like her, whose wants and dreams for more than a “little bitty slice” that fund those schools.
But Michelle isn’t done with just public education of K-12. She doesn’t like post-high school education being an individual responsibility. In part 2 at 1:30 to cheers she says
“the cost of the degree is not covered by the salary you’ll earn.â€Â
The free government buffet in Michelle’s populism extends to healthcare. She frames it as she has framed wages, salaries and education — at 2:50
“Don’t get sick in this country. Not here. Americans are in debt not because they live frivolously but because someone got sick. And even with insurance the deductibles and premiums are so high that people are putting medications and treatments on credit cards. And they can’t get out from under. I could go on and on, but this is how we’re living, people, in 2008. And things have gotten progressively worse throughout my lifetime, through Democratic and Republican administrations, it hasn’t gotten better for regular folks.â€Â
Of course, Michelle doesn’t come out and say “get the rich.” She uses the “we are all sinners” device of religious rhetoric. At 4:15
“We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.â€Â
And at 5:30
“So I am here right now because I am married to the only person in this race who has a chance of healing this nation.â€Â
And at 5:50
“I say that because I’m a mother and a professional and a woman. I’m all these hats and I care about change. And what counts in this race, in my view, is character. It is character.”
Elect Barak President and Find Salvation, hallelujah brothers and sisters!
Religious imagery is certainly not new in politics. But Michelle isn’t working the “my religious beliefs inform my values” side of the sales room, just as her populism is government as Big Mommy to take care of our dreams and needs, so is government as God to take care of our spiritual needs. This distinction is either lost or ignored by liberals. The message from camp Obama is the nation has a sick soul and only Barack can heal it. It is as subtle a marketing device as having a boxom blonde draped over the hood of a concept car at a carshow.
Michelle then has to make the case of why we should be electing Barack as Pope President of the United States. She has to put meat in the thin gruel that is his experience. At 6:50
“I know what kind of choices he’s [Barack] made over a lifetime and that make him different. They make him special. And we won’t see this again. See this is a young man who grew up like regular folks, the product of a single parent household. His mother was 18 … 18 year old white woman trying to raise a black child in the 60s.â€Â
At 7:36
“So Barack got to see the world in ways most Americans do not. Imagine a President of the United States who looks at the other countries with a level of respect and understanding without fear. Imagine a president of the United States who understands the impact that a great nation like ours has to a small village near Kogelo in Africa not because he has a policy briefing but because he has a grandmother in that little village.â€Â
The circumstances of his birth are determinative? Did Reagan have a greater understanding of the impact of “this great nation on a small village” near Ballyporeen, Ireland because he had relatives there? Romantic nonsense promoted as unique qualification.
As in the NH rally quote above, Michelle’s populism has a decidedly anti-capitalist flavor. From “values before profit” to “folks don’t want much”, making money is something fairly unseemly, fairly sinful in Michelle’s estimation. And she is quite clear that it should be everyone’s guideline. Part 3 at 0:30
“The first major decision Barak had to make in his life after college ‘Do I go to Wall Street and make money or do I work for the people?’ Barack worked as a community organizer in some of the toughest neighborhoods on the south side of Chicago helping young mothers find their voice and their power. Folks had a reason to be cynical because government had forgotten them long ago. There is no one in this race who can claim that kind of commitment to people on the ground. No one. And I would think that as a nation like ours we would demand that kind of engagement before you could even consider wanting to be President of the United States.â€Â
At 1:25
“and many of the lawyers in this race made their millions before helping the people but not Barack … not because he couldn’t, because Barack was the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review. No one else can claim that distinction. No one else can. You talk about raisin’ the bar, set the bar, Barack leaped over the bar. But what did he do with those skills, he did not sell them to the highest bidder.â€Â
The cynic in me wonders how much of Barack’s decision to be a community organizer was more of political resume building than “money is icky.” But I’m sure Obamessiah will cure me of my cynicism. At 2:25
“So he goes into the Illinois state senate for eight years. No other candidate in this race can claim that amount of years at the state legislative level. And wouldn’t it be nice to have a president who understood how federal law impacts local government.â€Â
You’re right Michelle. No one but a state senator, known for being “present”, could ever understand how federal law impacts local government. Certainly not former governors or governors’ wives, either.
Michelle works her audience skillfully. She knows its rhythm. She’ll lighten intense moments with snippets of pointed humor. And she is intense. One gets a clear sense this is a person you do not want angry with you. Michelle uses her anger as another tool in her rhetorical utility belt. She lets it flash in her eyes and reins it in with grimaces and pursed lips when sharing with the audience of how “they” are treating her husband. Michelle warms to the theme of Barack as ultimately triumphant victim. She uses it to win sympathy, then cheers with this at 2:52
“We live in Chicago, people. Don’t worry about whether Barack is tough enough to handle the Republicans. We have seen it all.â€Â
Michelle works the “Barak against the naysayers” angle to good effect, setting up the audience for a segue into what Barack demands from them. At 7:39
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation and that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed – you have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged.â€Â
In part 4, Michelle starts the closing. For the first time, she moves from behind the podium, traveling with the mike and working the audience from the stage. She returns to the theme established from the start Do it for the children by relating a story of a ten year old girl she meets on the campaign trail who sees the election of Barack as meaning she can do whatever she wants when she grows up. Michelle uses it as the wrap … not a summary of articulated policies, not a vision of specific goals that will be achieved, but one in which image is most important and not voting for Barack is a personal failing. At 3:55
“So we need to do a little dreaming. Dream of the day when a man like Barack Obama is standing in front of the capitol with his hand on the Bible taking the oath of office to become the next President of the United States. And just imagine what that image, what message that will send to all these little kids in this nation. And if we can do that here in this country image what we can do around the world, because you see we all know the world is watching. We have young kids all over the world we are looking to this nation and they are trying to figure out who we are and what we are going to become. We have a chance not just to make history but we can change the world. We can change the world. Yes we can. Yes we can. Yes we can.â€Â
Michelle gives a masterful performance. But tease away the rhetoric, explore the populist themes running underneath the exhortations to salvation and we are left with something not quite savory.
In the midst of the ubiquitous New York City garbage strikes of the 1970’s, savvy citizens developed a strategy of wrapping their trash in fancy wrap and bows and leaving them unattended, soon swept away by gullible thieves. I’m reminded of the same human failing of wanting the unearned and the consequences when examining camp Obama. Merely an empty box is the least of the worries.
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 2/18 @ 11:56 am #
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation and that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage.”
And what, exactly, are the penalties if one decides that he or she doesn’t want to sign up for this mass conscription into the Barack Army? I was a member of the KISS Army when I was a kid, and that was enough for me.
Seriously, what if, deep down, you don’t care for government interference in your life, and want to tune it out? What’s the punishment?
Comment by B Moe on 2/18 @ 11:57 am #
“He’s not running for president because he wants to be president. … He’s running for president because he believes we can do better as a country.”
Isn’t that precisely the sentiment the media used to dismiss Thompson as not being serious? They must not have been paying attention when Obama said it. Yeah, that is probably it.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 12:08 pm #
Really really excellent work Darleen. Brilliant metaphor at the end. And I think you’re bang on about Baracky’s campaign being the quintessence of marketing and it should be discussed in those terms. What I say is enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
That one peaked too soon too.
Comment by SarahW on 2/18 @ 12:15 pm #
What’s the punishment?
Confiscation of unauthorised flair by the new “hope sector” Starbucks police.
Comment by SarahW on 2/18 @ 12:16 pm #
And some snakes
Comment by McGehee on 2/18 @ 12:33 pm #
Confinement to barracks, of course.
Comment by Karl on 2/18 @ 12:36 pm #
You mean, aside from fines, garnishment of wages and possible imprisonment?
I apologize in advance to Percy, who was probably restricting his comments to the Obama campaign, but that was just too easy to pass up. I am a weak man.
Comment by Cave Bear on 2/18 @ 12:45 pm #
I saw a portion of a speech this person made recently on TV, and she comes across as the epitome of what my wife refers to as an “angry black female”.
What is she angry about? Who the hell knows. Of course, as anyone who has spent much time in the blogosphere knows, if there’s one thing the proggies have aplenty, it’s anger.
And something else I noted during that same speech; Barry-O was standing right there by the podium as Michelle held forth, and it was clear as day, based on their respective demeanors, body language and the like that in truth BO’s pecker is firmly in Big Momma Michelle’s pocket. I’d bet that poor bastard does not go to the little senator’s room without her permission.
If you liked the “twofer” we got when the Clintons were in power, just wait until Michelle is the power behind the throne…
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 2/18 @ 12:46 pm #
No problem, Karl.
But I already pay my taxes – what seems to be spelled out above is something above and beyond just doing your math right and getting your forms in by April 15th. And that’s what makes me nervous.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 1:18 pm #
Here’s the problem: In a primary season just about devoid of substance this sort of faux strength posturing can win!
Of course both Michelle and Barry are supreme packagers of their product. The product is not innovative or new, having been packaged by FDR, JFK, Jimmah and Bubba in precious incarnations
“Turn the Page” – “Real Change” – “Hope for a UnitedStates”
Guess what, ladies and germs, this is just the sort of thing that can win both the nomination and the General Election. Hillary not being the perceived smartest kid in the room (even though her policy and legislative knowledge exceeds Barry’s by a lot) allows Barry O’Kennedy to thrive on inspiration through well rendered speechifying. Michelle operates from the same song sheet. The time is right as a nation contemplating almost complete disgust with the President and both chambers of Congress have left a leadership vacuum the size of Hillary and McCain’s egos.
Thank you Bush, Hastert, Frist, Pelosi and Reid. Thank you very much. My great fear is that none of this excellent analysis by Darleen or all of Karl’s great work or Dan’s edgy contributions or even, God forbid, Jeff’s absence makes a damn bit of difference in the long run. The level of overall dissatisfaction is so great that I’m about 90% convinced that Obama squeaks out the nomination and then takes his beautifully packaged and inspirationally delivered hopeful changyness and kicks the living crap out of McCain in the General.
I know, he doesn’t have the nomination yet and November is a long way away so I’m more than willing to hear alternative theories. In the meantime I have an overwhelming urge to clean my ears with razor wire. Please help me.
Comment by thor on 2/18 @ 1:31 pm #
Big-legged woman ain’t got no soul.
Comment by Radish on 2/18 @ 2:15 pm #
Michelle is a big advocate for the public school system.
Where are her children being schooled? Not Chicago Public Schools.
Comment by Vladimir on 2/18 @ 2:18 pm #
I’d almost expect her to bust out singing “Greatest Love of All” .
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 2:18 pm #
darleen, ur just bein a biyotch cuz ur cadidate is teh suxor.
how u gonna package justanothermiddleagedwhiteguy as change?
an lets face it, middleaged white guyz is ALL u got.
poor bilary is doomed by those tacky pantsuits
they’re just awful gnarly.
appearance is all, representation is all.
why shudnt Michelle Obama be exploitive and opportunistic about her looks?
hmmm…yet another parallel between the stylish gorgeous jackie kennedy and Mrs. Obama?
hehe
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 2:20 pm #
Camelot: the remix
mwuhahahahaha
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 2:28 pm #
nishi
I’m a bitch for actually listening to, not swooning over, Michelle’s salesmanship.
Wow. Identity politics. I’m so underwhelmed by your ‘reasoning.’
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 2:31 pm #
Well for real I think Obama loses Michelle still goes on to be a superstar. Move the fuck over Oprah. Won’t that be a kick in the pants.
Comment by Larry Conners on 2/18 @ 2:31 pm #
“The time is right as a nation contemplating almost complete disgust with the President and both chambers of Congress have left a leadership vacuum the size of Hillary and McCain’s egos.”
An accurate observation by BJ. It begs the question: Where are the leaders, those among us that inspire and provide real answers to real 21st century challenges..? What we need is a group of liberal and conservative Head-Hunters that will seek out and recruit those men and women that would best exemplify the philosophies of Right and Left. The best and brightest of America.
Hold joint debates every week from June until September. Use any number of formulations to let each party pick their choice, then have the two candidates square off September through October.
We can do better, the American people deserve better. Frankly, I’m getting tired of holding my nose when it comes to choosing a president.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 2:40 pm #
oh darleen u are so bein bitchy.
ur trying to tear her down with ur interpretation of her speech an actions.
this obamacan isnt buyin wat ur sellin, and i doubt anyone else will……that counts.
that negativity never pays off.
Comment by jdm on 2/18 @ 2:42 pm #
Nice job, Darleen.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 2:42 pm #
i mean really….ooooh! teh horror! she dressed for her audience!
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 2:42 pm #
I’m buying. Sheesh. Who’s being bitchy now? ;)
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 2:44 pm #
Larry: Bingo!
I don’t want to see Obama elected in November due to my legion of policy and political differences. The problem is I have no real desire to see MaCain elected as I see more of the the same lack of powerful leadership and squishy political ideals. Both parties need to figure out that when an empty suit with virtually no political experience who has run jack shit has a significant chance to be elected President on the strength of his smarts and charisma that is less in praise of the candidate and more a reaction to the abysmal collective leadership over the past several years.
I think my brother the conservative/libertarian is right: We haven’t had a national election in which the debate had real substance since “Contract for America” in 1994. Everything since then has been single issue imperatives (GWOT), anti-rhetoric (war, taxes, etc.) or “I can do better” [insert fervent wish here]. All of that howling has almost completely obscured real debate about in depth policy positions and political philosophy.
God help us all!
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 2:47 pm #
nishi
I take it, you never took a class in mass communications, public speaking, marketing, advertising….?
Marketers must LOVE you.
Comment by Linda S. on 2/18 @ 2:47 pm #
Regarding Obama’s relatives in Kenya. His father was from the Luo Tribe which is in the minority right now but angling to get into the ruler ship position there. And guess what? One of the leaders “Odiniga” claims to be a cousin of Obama’s. The unrest in Kenya right now is a result of those who want to unseat the current U.S. backed government in favor of Islamic rule and Sharia Law. And at least some of Obama’s relatives are on the Islamic side. I AM NOT saying he is a Muslim, but I have read that this man “Odiniga” (in quotes because I may have the spelling off a bit) has made phone calls to Obama personally. So if we have an Obama presidency whose side in Kenya is he going to be on? Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/18 @ 2:52 pm #
Who said I want change?
And, seriously, nishi, learn to write like an adult.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 2:53 pm #
nishi:
It’s not bitchy to point out the emptyness of the message while explaining the the paint by numbers. You call yourself a highly intelligent scientific type yet you are willing to to declare the paint by numbers a masterpiece or, better still, one that will be a masterpiece once it gets into the museum.
Look, nishi, I get it. They are both extremely bright and excellent public speakers. I’ve acknowledged above that that might be enough to get the two of them elected. Our differences stem from you assertation that that is enough to vote for whereas I see an unrepentant liberal/socialist former ward politician who will attempt to significantly alter the role of government in a way that I think is detrimental to individual liberty and a poor reflection of the intent of the Constitution. Perhaps if you were willing to connect your political philosophy with Obama’s rather than just saying “hez smart, he cn gro in teh job!” I wouldn’t feel as if you were being so unserious.
It’s frustrating because it’s so much less thoughtful than your other comments on other topics.
Comment by jdm on 2/18 @ 2:56 pm #
Darleen, face it, you’re (just a bitch for) trying to dull that shiny trinket that is the Obamas. My experience in the past is that people entranced by sparkly items rarely appreciate when someone else takes them away.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 2:58 pm #
nishi. I’m wondering a lot what an Obamikin would think of Jeff’s post today. It’s really really troubling I think. Baracky, he didn’t vote either way. McCain did though. Also you’re just wrong. McCain is NOT middleaged. I have links.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/18 @ 3:03 pm #
Nishi’s been trained to equate public speaking ability to intelligence; the admiration for Obama is just a Pavlovian response.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:08 pm #
hmmm…..seriousness
okfine tex
1. obama is the lesser evil. of the candiates in field, he will do the least harm. i honestly believe that.
and he may do some great good. he has the potential. i will accept some risk.
it is obama who i HOPE may do some good vs ppl i KNOW will do harm.
i am not a strict constitutionalist like Jeff.
GW said mccain is PRO-LIFE. i voted PRO-LIFE for GW cuz i had no choice, because nat’l defense was my priority. it made me sick to my stomach. now im free.
in a way, GW has done such a good job in Gulf II, that i CAN vote for obama.
hehe yes i can!!!!!!
i am a scientist like jeff is a constitutionalist.
2. obama is going to win. for a variety of reasons, some historical, some marketingbased, some cultural…but mostly because the majority of americans are more susceptible to glam or at least not capable of recognizing it.
i recognize it, and im still an obamacan.
and im not the only one.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:12 pm #
feets i dont think obama knows the score.
i have often thought GW’s foreign policies wud be mad popular if everyone in the country had clearances.
obama hasnt been briefed on a whole lot of stuff yet.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 3:12 pm #
Well. Rob, iIhappen to have a pretty high regard for nishi’s intelligence and insight, if not her “Instant Messsenger” writing skilz. For someone who can argeu so many other positions with depth and creativity I’m disapointed in the “barak roks, hs teh bom, u shud hear hm!” without any corresponding discussion of policy positions. She seems to have gone from scientific professional to groupie.
To be fair, I’m having the same problem with others from a variety of political backgrounds pursuing the same love/lust groupiness for the messiah devoid of any content explainations. “Listen to him, isn’t he dreamy?”
Politics depressess me.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:13 pm #
and the reason he hasnt been briefed is he had no need to know.
he is a junior senator not on any committees that require access to classified.
an he isnt president.
yet.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:16 pm #
haha, okfine tex…..ill do the math
ill make a kepler trigo risk/threat assesstment matrix
and prove to u that obama is the highvalue choice.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 3:17 pm #
Well, nishi, you have to admit that “do the least harm” is a pretty depressing reason to vote. Also, what harm do you expect McCain to do compared to Barack? Are you saying that pro-choice is the tipping point? I’m fervently pro-life but I’ve never allowed it to be the one and only reason why I vote for anybody.
What about Obama’s obvious uber-liberal philosophies? Any of those give you pause?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:19 pm #
“To be fair, I’m having the same problem with others from a variety of political backgrounds pursuing the same love/lust groupiness for the messiah devoid of any content explainations. “Listen to him, isn’t he dreamy?â€Â
be really fair tex….and admit that that quality is a superpower, the same superpower jfk and reagan had, and that it can make it possible for obama to get things done
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 3:21 pm #
mostly because the majority of americans are more susceptible to glam
Is that inherent you think or were they, um, hacked to where they’d pick presidents like that? And what happens when the hackers and the White House are the same people?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:21 pm #
well…to provide for the common defense was my one issue.
Iraq.
now, PRO-LIFE==anti-Science can be a reason to not vote for mccain.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 3:22 pm #
neurolinguistic hackery feets
yup
Comment by Rick Ballard on 2/18 @ 3:25 pm #
Dem Superdelegates exist because lib nimrods became somewhat over enamored by McGovern’s hopey changiness (or maybe it was an after effect of levitating the Pentagon).
I wonder what sort of “some are more equal than others” game plan they have on tap to explain the coming Obamacide? It’s going to take even better marketing skills than those exhibited by Mrs. Obama to cool the rancor if BHO Fever doesn’t break soon.
Darlene,
My compliments on an excellent piece.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 3:26 pm #
McCain loves stem cells nishi. I thought. Yup.
So unless you for real think he’s gonna start passing out coathangers I don’t get your stance really.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 3:26 pm #
She’s pretty persuasive. Maybe she should be running for public office.
I’ve got news for our friend Michelle, though: if her dad put her through college on a blue-collar worker’s salary, he was incredibly fortunate to have held such a high-paying job. Michelle’s holding her anecdotal life up as if it were typical, which it might be, but how would we know? Who would we ask, listening to such a speech? And how would we know how much of her education was paid not by her father, but by scholarships, grants, or student loans?
That’s part of the beauty of it, I imagine.
Pretty impressive, again. She’s definitely a sharp cookie.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 3:26 pm #
But what things, nishi? JFK had way more legislative experience and Reagan ran a state, pretty successfully. Both had clearly defined policy positions and were pretty much unafraid to promote them. The fact that Obama can pursuade doesn’t mean he’s going to pursuade people to do the right thing for our country! You seem willing to just accept the power of his personality (the force is strong in this one) in a very pseudo-mystical way whereas I’d like to know how he’s going to use those magical powers.
Protect our country? Expand out government? Raise taxes? What?
Keep the threat analysis matrix and just talk to me about what you think he will persuade people to do that will be for the greater good.
Comment by Ted Nugent's Soul Patch on 2/18 @ 3:28 pm #
“I’d almost expect her to bust out singing “Greatest Love of All†.”
and then scream “Sexual chocolate!” at the end.
Comment by Pablo on 2/18 @ 3:31 pm #
An Obamacan muslimah? Move over DINK’s. We’ve got us a new power demographic.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 3:31 pm #
I’m very disappointed in you with regards to the simplemindedness of that quote.
Comment by Merovign on 2/18 @ 3:41 pm #
If pro-life==anti-science, then does science==death?
Or is nishi just, shall we say, not thinking clearly?
Or is it just such a core ideological position that nishi is not capable of thinking clearly on the subject?
I think we have enough examples of cultures that devalue life to get a sort of intuitive feel for why that doesn’t work. Well, some of us see that.
Comment by B Moe on 2/18 @ 3:45 pm #
….and admit that that quality is a superpower, the same superpower jfk and reagan had, and that it can make it possible for obama to get things done…
I can think of some other people that had that power, they got things done too. The problem is, some things are better left undone.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/18 @ 3:45 pm #
Hope springs eternal, Merovign, that nishi didn’t mean to suggest that a pro-life postion that includes a reasoned and complete debate on the ethics of disposable and duplicated life doesn’t constitute some luddite like science bigotry.
*sigh* Then again, I’ve been known to talk to elves…
Comment by Rusty on 2/18 @ 4:37 pm #
“He’s a man who has put his values before his profit.
We’ll see what Tony Rezko has t say about that.
#34
And this makes him qualified to be………………….president? IOW yer buyin’ it fer the chrome, not the performance or mileage.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 4:47 pm #
I think there’s a “custom build” charge for that.
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/18 @ 6:12 pm #
keep your eyes peeled for “Barrack didn’t have any experience running a Presidential campaign either and look how well he’s doing” can’t remember where I saw it today. it wasn’t here was it? anyhoo, I can see that gaining some popularity.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 6:14 pm #
Charles Manson didn’t have any sperience running a cult and he did gangbusters. They even made a movie.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/18 @ 6:18 pm #
And, you know, this wouldn’t be at all worth remarking, if not for the fact that he’s a politician.
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 7:03 pm #
You know, for a guy who put values before profit and didn’t sell himself to the highest bidder, he sure has a swanky mansion (1.65 mil) and Michelle pulls down a cool $200k a year when she’s not on the Barack Sales Circuit telling regular folk how she misses the simple life.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 7:16 pm #
Top-shelf, D.
@ #10 In the meantime I have an overwhelming urge to clean my ears with razor wire. Please help me.
BJT, try Moonbat Badminton. Works for me.
BJT, I console myself with the scene from My Cousin Vinnie
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 7:19 pm #
Well, the card scene, but that’s a scratch.
“Mr.Goldstien, tear-down your wall!”
~ Ronald Reagan ~
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 7:27 pm #
BECAUSE OF THE SHUTTLECOCKS !!!
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 7:51 pm #
ur cadidate is teh suxor
“My hovercraft has eels.”
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 7:55 pm #
That’s funny, what you said.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 7:56 pm #
My favorite was this frickin’ machine took my korter though.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:00 pm #
obamacan
Humbly, nishi-san, Obamoron.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:04 pm #
Thanks, hf, but it’s remembered. Eels is from Monty Python, and korter is from Slapshot.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 8:09 pm #
Oh. I’m putting Slaphot on my list. I have like a 15 minute Monty Python tolerance though cause it’s funny and all but it’s all the same flavor I think.
NPR is doing it’s Obama love letter for tonight right now. Something about Wisconsin. He sounded decidedly less black than he did a couple weeks ago. Then Hillary came on and she had a Wisconsin accent. No shit.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:11 pm #
It’s just that I don’t want to be in the same Mug-Shot as…
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:14 pm #
Oh. I’m putting Slaphot on my list.
Hockey. Funny. Profane.
The NSFWHL.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 8:15 pm #
Exactly. They did that plagiarism story, softly softly, but what I don’t get and maybe Karl can explain is the “McCain Coronation” meme they’re trying to launch. Is that just to dig at conservatives who aren’t happy with him you think? That would be my theory I guess.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:15 pm #
Or the children.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 8:15 pm #
I think I’ll go ask Karl.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:22 pm #
theory
Because of the shuttlecocks.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/18 @ 8:32 pm #
He sounded decidedly less black than he did a couple weeks ago. Then Hillary came on and she had a Wisconsin accent.
Exactly.
Dear random semiotic someone, “Is there an official name for the changing-the-voice-to-fit-the-audience thing?”
Comment by MlR on 2/18 @ 8:44 pm #
Iraq ain’t freaking great – at all. It’s just relatively quiet right now for a variety of reasons that could change any week. The worst is not necessarily over. Simply stacking it as a done issue is nonsense.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 8:48 pm #
You can stack pancakes though. And blocks. But you have to pick them up after or they go in the trash.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:00 pm #
lulz its nishi-chan, ima young lady, not ur superior or teacher!
well…MlR..we cant stay there forever. i think it wont be a rout tho, like Nam. we have established a few oil spots of stability. hopefully they will spread. i think a draw down was in the plans….but the Iraqis need to take charge. Dr. Kilcullen and General Petraeus have built a model that Iraqis can follow….or not. we cant be forever-babysitters.
m aybe this is all we can do….because it is wat the ppl want.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:13 pm #
hmmm…..ok, it is the definition of LIFE! that bugs me.
like bush really did lie when he said the 400,000 snowflake embryos are “human life”. they are frozen blastulae.
they are not even “potential human life” becuz no one is going to implant them, or even a significant percentage.
and schiavo….they had a freaking emergency session of congress!!! its just embarassing.
the bioethics council is anti-scientific….anti-biotech.
ASCR is not the same as ESCR.
bush talks about “math and nanotech” (the good sciences)
he doesnt even know nanotech IS biotech.
it makes him look like a retart.
i think most research shows the emergence of sentience at 6th month in-utero, when there is sufficient substrate
to support thot and consciousness.
id be fine with no abortion after the 6th month except in emergency.
but it shudt even be part of government.
LIFE! is religious belief and i want it out of goverment, out of the republican party.
LIFE! as a concept is antiscientific.
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/18 @ 9:16 pm #
but nishi, there have been indications that Iraq has asked for a long term security agreement. What is Obama gonna say, “screw you, we’re leaving, because you guys just aren’t as likable as the Kosovars.”?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:20 pm #
I call bullshit. Nishi, you know not of what you speak.
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 9:23 pm #
schiavo wasn’t about science, nishi-twerp. It was about end-of-life issues and who gets to decide … the parents who wanted her to live and were willing to care for her or the husband-in-name-only who wanted her dead and out of the way. It was an ETHICS issue. And as my late sister-in-law was a disabled person, I was very much alarmed by the rhetoric of the Kill Terry advocates that “less than perfect” human life should be forfeit as government policy.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 9:29 pm #
ok nishi, that’s a fine position, but McCain likes the SCR no matter what letter you put in front is my only point. Schiavo was silly but it was a lot I thought ignorable like Britney and CBS sitcoms and when those guys kill their pregnant wives but they can’t prove it or whatever.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:33 pm #
i think Obama will have some epiphanies when he gets briefed.
i sure did.
ok slart.ill prepare a nanotech primer for u…let me find the quotes.
brb
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 9:33 pm #
oh. I swear your comment wasn’t there when I put mine after it. I could have put that different.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:37 pm #
I guess if you call buckyballs “biological”, I’m going to have to see it your way, inasmuch as you’re completely redefining terms.
I don’t think I need a nanotech primer, nishi; I think possibly you do.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:39 pm #
Plus, I think
is going to need rather extensive updating.
Just sayin’, is all.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:40 pm #
Oh, crap. This.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:40 pm #
schiavo was anti-science.
u cud see the cat-scans on the web.
terri’s souless and cruelly exploitive parents (in collusion with the MSM) scammed the american public with 3/10,000ths of the video record. the “balloon video”.
terri’s law was supposed to keep terri alive…..or in halflife i guess since she was a vegetable.
she lost 70% of her neocortex.
terri’s parents had SEVEN trials at taxpayer expense.
they had due process in spades.
duh.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:41 pm #
One more time, then I bare my link for all to see.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 9:42 pm #
I had no idea. Well, you can’t say they weren’t carrying out her wishes, then.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 9:44 pm #
I also never figured out exactly how she got into that situation. It sounded scary like it could just happen to anyone anytime, which made me want to avoid that story a lot cause I’m easily suggestible.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 9:45 pm #
oh. Highly suggestible I mean. Easily is different.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:51 pm #
unh uh slart
nanotech is molecular manufacture…..using RNA.
i am talking bottom-up.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 9:53 pm #
haha its the same link slart.
ur talkin top down.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/18 @ 9:58 pm #
they had due process in spades.
Yes, because she committed a crime so she had to be put down. But at least she had her day in court, even if it was at taxpayer expense. No wonder you love Obama so much, you both think you have a right to decide for others what is best for them.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 9:59 pm #
Even without nanotechnology Michelle would rock on daytime. Maybe she could get her feet wet with one season on The View then sign with probably Telepictures so she’s not under the Oprah umbrella at Paramount. Hey! You think she can cook?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:13 pm #
hmmm…..ok…nanotech is the ability to build and shape matter one atom at a time. there are different ways of doing this, like mechanosynthesis where the atoms are pressed together to form the desired molecular shape…covalent bonding an all that jazz…but wat we have had success with is using RNA as the assembler.
we are actually in “The Two Week Revolution” now, where the original nanotheorists postulated the first assembler would create other assemblers, etc. and they wud create factories, etc.
but all our assemblers so far are either RNA or modelled on RNA.
so that is why i say nanotech is biotech……it isnt just me– some famous doctor said it first.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:21 pm #
edu guy there was no she there…
no sentience, no cognition..a flesh doll.
the courts determined it was her direction.
i think the South Park ep was the best synthesis of the whole thing.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 10:25 pm #
Darleen. I got to Andy’s site somehow I think maybe from Glenn and he links to this patrick that thinks a lot along these lines here but about Obama. It’s sharp I think.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:30 pm #
u say that like is a BAD thing
Comment by MayBee on 2/18 @ 10:43 pm #
lulz its nishi-chan, ima young lady, not ur superior or teacher!
-chan is a diminutive. -san is not used only for superiors or teachers, but also for equals (or anybody to whom you are showing some respect. Which in Japan is just about everybody)
Nishi-san is quite proper, unless you want to be called Nishi-chan.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 10:44 pm #
Not at all. I’m very comfortable with that a lot really. But if you can get people talking about the Obama brand and about his campaign in a conspicuously marketing vernacular, that can be an effective neurolinguistic hack I think.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:45 pm #
i prefer it
certainly i defer to all of u.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 10:46 pm #
nishizonoshinji-san-chan-obamican
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:48 pm #
yes feets
zactly
i can make obama less magickal i guess.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:52 pm #
im sry for the ot, but u asked.
ive gritted my teeth and voted for GW, cuz he was doing the right thing in Iraq.
but the bioethics council is a star chamber for luddites and they shaped policy.
GW never says biotech
its like hes cuttin it out of science and education altogether.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 10:52 pm #
:)
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 10:57 pm #
Nishi, there’s loads of top-down nanotech being done. Just because all you’re familiar with is bottum-up, means nothing, as support for “nanotech is biotech”.
One day, that statement might be true. It’s not, now.
Comment by JD on 2/18 @ 10:59 pm #
happyfeet – That observation about Barry O and branding was one of the most insightful thoughts I have seen. So succinct, and spot on.
Comment by B Moe on 2/18 @ 11:05 pm #
but the bioethics council is a star chamber for luddites and they shaped policy.
Not providing public funds for something is quite different than outlawing or condemning it. If opposition to luddism is your primary metric you need to give the Democrats a long hard look before throwing your lot in with them. The underlying neopagan/luddism was what ultimately drove me out of the Democrat Party.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:09 pm #
im quoting someone important, slart, it isnt original.
thing being, the nanoassemblers modelled on biological systems are more useful and successful is my unnerstanding.
i have to look in my books tho, it isnt googleable.
:(
feets epiphanizes me daily.
its a good thing.
i like nishi-chan obamikin..it makes me sound cute and harmless, kinda like neopets.
;)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:12 pm #
sigh…GW has vetoed ESCR twice
hes made statements about outlawing cloning and genetic engineering.
theres left bioluddites too i know, but they have promised to fund the ESCR expansion bill that bush vetoed
and restart the devolving lines.
its better than nothing which is wat we got for 8 years.
Comment by B Moe on 2/18 @ 11:13 pm #
thing being, the nanoassemblers modelled on biological systems are more useful and successful is my unnerstanding.
I suspect they are also a very long way from anything practical, or the researchers wouldn’t be so desperate for funds. The things you are talking about would be so fabulously valuable that there will be no shortage of capital when it is time.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/18 @ 11:15 pm #
Oh, me, too! Trust me.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:17 pm #
also bush pointedly leaves biotech out of any speechmaking to do with eduucation which IS publically funded.
biotech is unloved stepchild.
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 11:20 pm #
nishi
even if Terry was a “vegetable” her parents were willing to take care of her until she died. She was NOT on artificial life support. The ethical question should always resolve to life over death.
sure terry was “anti-science” if you euthansia of the disabled and the inconvenient is “science.”
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:21 pm #
yes slart
we took the idea of how to do it from biology, like helicopters from hummingbirds and harrier jets from hawks.
the biological model is the original nanoassembler.
after all…its the nanoassembler in nature.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/18 @ 11:25 pm #
and dams from beavers :)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:28 pm #
darleen she was on life support…she died when they took the tube out
the autopsy determined she was blind, couldnt swallow, coudnt speak.
the court determined she wished to be terminated in that case.
dont u dare fuck with my right to die, nannystatist!
terri was a lovely young woman
do u honestly think she wud have wanted to be on tv, at 240 pounds with horrible acne from having her pituitary gland necrotized along with 70% of her brain?
do u think she wud have enjoyed bein her parents flesh doll in depends?
its my worst nightmare.
give me liberty AND give me death!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:39 pm #
the anti-science part is how terri’s parents and the MSM scammed congress and the american ppl with 3/10,000ths of the video record, when all anyone had to do was read the trial transcripts or look at the cat-scans on the web.
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 11:41 pm #
nishi
infants are on “life support” with a tube…it’s called FORMULA in a BOTTLE. Terry was starved and dehydrated to death.
I don’t care if you want to off yourself. Indeed, go right ahead but don’t fucking tell ME which of my friends/relatives get to live or die according to your “science” of who is worthy of living.
You want to be starved to death if you’re brain damaged, then fucking have a living will that says so!
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 11:43 pm #
nishi
It’s obvious you don’t have children. And unless you grow up and fix your moral compass
DON’T BREED.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:45 pm #
she didnt starve to death
she weighed 240 pounds.
Comment by B Moe on 2/18 @ 11:48 pm #
she didnt starve to death
she weighed 240 pounds.
This might be a good time to remind us about your high IQ again, nishi.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:50 pm #
dont shoot the messenger
the parents went to the supremes FIVE times
hey, thass ‘merika for u
love it or leave it.
:)
Comment by Darleen on 2/18 @ 11:52 pm #
nishi
they pulled out her feeding tube and denied her water and food
ONE MORE TIME…I don’t care whether she was a “vegetable” or not. That is IRRELEVANT. Her parents wanted to take care of her, her “husband” wanted to kill her and Terry didn’t leave any written instructions.
the ETHICAL decision would have been to give custody to the parents.
But hey, we are now in a culture where convenience is king! Pregnant? Don’t give birth and give the child up for adoption…you’ll ruin your figure, you may be embarrassed, just kill it. Your mom/dad/grannie go all dementia? Kill ‘em.
Only the beautiful and complete should live!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:56 pm #
and the science part is….they removed the tube, and terri died dehydration death.
cuz she cudnt swallow, cuz the autonomous swallow reflex part of her brainstem was liquified into a vesicle of cerebral-spino fluid.
the legal part was the removal of the tube.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/18 @ 11:59 pm #
guess wat?
the LEGAL decision was the operable one.
and i dont think u want to talk to me about alzheimers.
i really dont.
Comment by Darleen on 2/19 @ 12:10 am #
what nishi
got some inconvenient relatives?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 12:18 am #
She told the story of taking time to care for a sick relative and it was a difficult time.
Comment by daleyrocks on 2/19 @ 12:37 am #
nishi doesn’t like talking about ethics
she avoids it like she avoids the violence of islam
Comment by peter jackson on 2/19 @ 12:56 am #
The Schiavo case was very interesting, a very unique case. It’s important to remember that our law, in this case family law, isn’t just what the words on the paper say. Our law is the product of our civilized experience up to this point in time, the sum of centuries and generations-worth of our life experience. Schiavo, and other cases such as the Elia Gonzalez case, have moved the ball down the field for us, adding their light to the light of civilization no matter what the outcome. At the end of the day the survival and betterment of our law and the civilization that rests upon it is more important than any single outcome of the law. So before we get upset by any of this, it would do us good to remember that no matter how certain we are that our opinions are the correct ones, absolutely none of us are smarter or more wise than the last hundred generations of our fathers put together.
Being a parent of three young children myself, I was initially very sympathetic towards Schiavo’s parents, but later came to realize that they didn’t have to win for Terri to win.
Great post Darleen!
yours/
peter.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 4:52 am #
Obamoron, nishi-chan.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/19 @ 5:10 am #
You folks still think nishi’s intelligent?
From this thread, it’s quite clear her actual thought processes are as clouded as her writing. She’s a moron of the first order.
Comment by datadave on 2/19 @ 5:55 am #
nishi…sounds like the VRWC is out to kill you for speaking the truth. It’s my understanding that the parents of Terri got a lot of money from the same people who attacked and dishonored Terri’s husband. And the hospitals never got paid for the many months of support they had to provide as the court case wound through.
just to remind you of who your are faced with: Melanie Morgan and Freedom Watch Seems like even the police are not happy to have right extremists attacking their fair city.
they want war but want you to pay for it. they want victims and injustice because it makes them feel superior.
all and all not a bad essay, Darleen. Glad you appreciate the worthiness of the Obama’s. The slanderers and hate mongers of the right are ready for them though. The same people who paid off Terri’s parents are getting ready to smear either Hillary or Obama, just like they did to Teri’s husband: http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/02/watching_freedo.htm
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Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 8:14 am #
edu guy there was no she there…
no sentience, no cognition..a flesh doll.
So what? Even if these things are true, and as one who claims to be enamored of science you must know that current thinking is sometimes proven wrong, it is immaterial. She had folks who were willing to care for her. At the very least her ex could have waited until they were gone.
the courts determined it was her direction.
Yes, based on the testimony of someone with a clear conflict of interest. He had moved on, and worse, had changed his story over time.
BTW – They did starve her to death. It took a week. I can understand why you would suppress that memory as it was one of the more cruel things I had heard of. In fact, they gave her pain medicine to ease her suffering. Which is what you do when there is no she there, ease the non suffering of the non person.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 8:23 am #
Education Guy – There you go again, getting all fact-y.
Comment by Darleen on 2/19 @ 8:53 am #
dd
proving yet again you’re a moral idiot.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 9:00 am #
on the crosscountry course that was built for the last olympics in australia…theres a jump called Karols Boomerang Finder.
not all horses can do this jump, and the premise is that only a horse with the talent and the heart of the great event
horse Boomerang will be able to do it well.
the Schiavo case is my Boomerang Finder.
im looking for ppl with the intellectual honesty to be able to jump the urban legends and religious programming and see the truth, see the facts.
and the truth is, our legal system worked the way it was supposed to. 4 times the parents tried to have michael schiavo removed as guardian, 4x they were rejected. and the courts heard all the evidence.
if u dont like it, work to change it.
and the truth is terri didnt starve to death. it takes weeks, even months for starvation death. after exhausting the body’s stored lipids (fat) organs are cannabalized for nutrients.
terri died dehydration death. a graceful degredation which has been studied exhaustively in nursing homes.
the docs gave pain meds, altho it is unclear whether terri retained sufficient cortical tissue to have a pain response.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 9:01 am #
it is standard practice.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 9:02 am #
nishi- where are you getting the 240 lbs information?
Not that it is tremendously important, but the autopsy (scroll down for link) lists Terri’s weight at death as 112 lbs.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 9:41 am #
she weighed 240 pounds when the balloon video was filmed.
she wud have lost sigificant water weight by time of death.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 9:46 am #
this much
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 10:05 am #
Wait. You are saying that people that die of dehydration lose 61.8 percent of their body weight before they die? A loss of 15% is usually fatal.
Are you saying at some point, while on a feeding tube, she went up to 240 lbs and then lost 128 lbs?
Where did you see that Terri Shiavo weighed 240 lbs when the balloon video was filmed?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 10:10 am #
On today’s Michelle in the Morningâ„¢ we’ll show you how you can knock off that 15% safely by eating the foods you already love! For the first time in your life you’ll be proud to wear that bikini!
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 10:17 am #
happyfeet – You just ain’t right.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/19 @ 10:39 am #
Question — are you capable of getting past your religious programming? From what I can see, you just use the word SCIENCE where most people would use “faith” or “morals”.
And if dehydration is such a painless way to go, why don’t we use it in place of lethal injection for the death penalty?
Comment by daleyrocks on 2/19 @ 10:46 am #
haha…nishi has her own facts sillee
u cant handle those facts… forget abt ethics
nishi dnt know ethics……science pure…no ethics..haha
law says Terri flesh doll must die …. u cant handle facts…hehe
nishi moron and obamatard
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 10:50 am #
here u go
the parents introduced the balloon video in testimony when they attempted to have notorious snakeoil-salesman and documented-quack dr.hammesfar treat terri with hyperbaric therapy.
hammesfar was also determined to be lying(by the court) in avowing to elicit a pain/pressure response from terri as well.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 10:51 am #
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And if dehydration is such a painless way to go, why don’t we use it in place of lethal injection for the death penalty?
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Comment by daleyrocks on 2/19 @ 10:46 am
takes too long.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 10:57 am #
and for those of u who dont get why michael schiavo didnt order and FMRi…..
terri was unresponsive.
functional magnetic resonance imaging requires participation of the imagee
terri cudnt comply, since she was pvs.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 11:04 am #
look…i give up
this is boring
if u want the facts, read Matt’s trial transcripts.
if u dont, go on and believe wat u want.
but kno u were succkered by the parents and the MSM
and by the whackjob congressmen that staged an emergency meeting of congress!!!
to pander to u and get ur vote.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 11:10 am #
Die, inconvenient persons!
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 11:13 am #
nish- re your 148. Is that for me?
I
she didnt starve to death
she weighed 240 pounds.
c)don’t see anything to support the idea that she would have lost 68% of her body weight in the two weeks before she died.
Not that it matters that much, but you are insisting this is about the science. I agree with you that the balloon video probably didn’t show what it seemed to, but I don’t think that’s the issue here. To me, the issue is that the parents wanted to take care of her.
Comment by daleyrocks on 2/19 @ 11:18 am #
this is boring
I got nothing – stop pushing me!!!!!!
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 11:25 am #
That didn’t work:
a)I don’t see anything in that link (those links) that supports the idea that Terri Shiavo weighed 240 lbs. I could be wrong, but perhaps you could point it out.
b)I don’t see how Terri Shiavo weighing 240 lbs in 2002 would factor in your statement:
c)don’t see anything to support the idea that she would have lost 68% of her body weight in the two weeks before she died.
Not that it matters that much, but you are insisting this is about the facts and science.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/19 @ 11:58 am #
I believe nishi has mistaken her prejudices for “science”.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 12:24 pm #
terri died dehydration death.
Yes, you are right. It was lack of fluids and not food that did her in.
a graceful degredation which has been studied exhaustively in nursing homes.
Yes graceful and extensively studied. Which is why those lost at sea often take to drinking salt water (knowing it will drive them mad) rather than succumb to it. Compared to this abomination mercy and grace would have been to put a bullet in her non person head.
I do love being compared to a horse who can’t jump far enough by one who thinks that depriving someone (or non-someone) of fluids is a merciful way to end their lives.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 12:36 pm #
maybee she weighed 240 in the balloon video.
i expect she had lost additional weight even while being tube fed, since degrading condition was why michael schiavo applied to have the feeding tube removed.
water weight in a human varies from 55% to 78%. she lost enough to expire.
i read the 240 in the trial transcript…the last trial i think.
that is the last figure i remember on weight.
petition for her medical charts why dontcha?
“mercy and grace would have been to put a bullet in her non person head.”
she already had a vesicle in her head comprised of roughly half of her dissolved brain tissue.
hardly need a bullet.
look…just admit it.
u were played.
the congress ppl knew they cudnt stop the tube being removed! separation of powers, dude.
they were just playin u to get ur votes.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 12:39 pm #
the parents had no legal right to take care of her.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 12:43 pm #
if u read the trial transcripts, the court feared terri’s husk wud be used be used for an endless series of expensive and nonproductive hammesfar experiments if it was entrusted to the parents.
it is about right to die, in the end, and primacy of guardianship.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 12:47 pm #
I’ve never mentioned Congress, nor do I think this issue was something that needed their involvement. So while some may have been played, as you say, it didn’t include me.
she already had a vesicle in her head comprised of roughly half of her dissolved brain tissue.
hardly need a bullet.
Yet they did have to take steps to end her life, and did so based on the sudden remembrances of her husband who already had a new “wife” and family.
the parents had no legal right to take care of her.
And the husband had a clear conflict of interest.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 12:48 pm #
and the parents played u.
they couldnt get wat they wanted (a ressurection!) from the courts or the legitimate medical community so they petitioned u morons.
with 3/10,000ths of the video record.
sukkahs.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 12:51 pm #
I think we can agree to disagree on this one nishi. I just think you would be better served, as a scientist and as a person of faith to be able to see the other side of this issue, and to remember that science doesn’t always get it right at first crack, and that faith requires the possibility of the miraculous.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 12:54 pm #
The morons and suckkahs cracks aren’t really needed, unless you are trying to portray yourself as needlessly cruel. In which case, mission accomplished.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 12:55 pm #
“And the husband had a clear conflict of interest.”
not legally he didnt.
two issues:
1. legal…..the courts decided in 7 trials that michael was the guardian of his wife and empowered to act on her wishes.
2. and since because terri was non sentient, incapable of living without the feeding tube and btw not EVER going to regenerate the missing 70% of her neocortex, that her expressed wishes (from when she was sentient) shud be followed.
if terri had the capacity to respond at all, they cud have taught her a gestural protocol, like blinkin once for yes, and she cud have expressed her own wishes.
they cudnt.
she was PVS.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 1:02 pm #
let me ask this….if all michael wanted was to get on with his life, why didnt he just give terri’s shell to her parents?
he didnt get any significant money.
i think…..he believed just like the courts which repeatedly saw the schindlers attempting to act in their best interests, not in terri’s, that the schindlers wanted her “alive” for themselves.
i think…like the courts….he feared terri wud become a flesh doll guinea pig for an endless series of snakeoil “therapies”.
and wat if….there was some tiny bit of terri still in there? trapped in a flesh prison with the controls totally munged…and no hope of recovery…screaming soundlessly for the next 20 years…..thats my worst nightmare.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 1:18 pm #
FWIW, I’m not arguing that she did starve to death. I realize it was death by dehydration. I just wanted nishi to provide the basis of the ‘facts’ she introduced.
The fact that people have 55-78% water weight is a red herring. Terri Schiavo didn’t die as a mummy, and 15% loss is generally fatal.
I find it alarming that Nishi, as a scientist, just throws these ‘facts’ out there. Now, I’m willing to be proven wrong, but telling me to petition for health records isn’t going to cut it.
Obviously, the 240 lbs/she didn’t starve quip is out of play, so I don’t want to keep harping.
the parents had no legal right to take care of her
That’s true, but that’s what they wanted. I have empathy for them, though they didn’t make the choices I would have made.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/19 @ 1:26 pm #
I agree with you on the legality of the decision nishi, and I admit that there is a possibility that Michael was telling the truth about the last wishes. Where we differ is the soundness of the decision by the court. The husband, having already taken up with another family has a defacto conflict of interest, and IMO did not give that fact enough weight. I think we also disagree on the method.
and wat if….there was some tiny bit of terri still in there? trapped in a flesh prison with the controls totally munged…and no hope of recovery…screaming soundlessly for the next 20 years…..thats my worst nightmare.
Here you are trying to have it both ways. Either she was dead enough to make it justified to take it the rest of the way based solely on the husbands sudden recollections, or she wasn’t. If she wasn’t, and he lied, then this was a case of murder with the courts permission.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/19 @ 1:30 pm #
Like so many others who come here to school us, nishi is a bigot. Her bigotry tells her that anyone who disagrees with her is an idiot, a dupe, or corrupt.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 1:34 pm #
FWIW, I think this may be where you remember reading about her weight (from one of Matt’s links):
Perhaps you misremembered at what point in her life she weighed over 200 lbs.
Comment by lee on 2/19 @ 1:34 pm #
RE: The Terri Shiavo debacle.
For the only time in my life, I wasn’t proud to be an American.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 1:38 pm #
Die, inconvenient persons! Die.
Comment by lee on 2/19 @ 1:51 pm #
I don’t think you get it JD.
Terri was suffering, though a flesh doll, so she had to die. Otherwise her parents, modern day Mengeles, would do mad scientist experiments on her, causing the flesh doll even more unutterable pain.
What are you, some kind of moron?
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 2:00 pm #
lee – I must be.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/19 @ 2:03 pm #
Well, Rob that was a bit harsh but is does spotlight what I think is nishi’s ethical blind spot.
Nishi seems to be searching for a religious belief that will allow her to pick and choose her ethics based purely on scientific “fact.” The end result, for her, is science without significant ethics. Worse still, once nishi has defined said “facts” and said “ethics” her natural scientific arrogance comes out and she is unable to see her own bigotry, a bigotry that is self contained in her first phrase:
This concept is so simple minded and devoid of self critique as to be mind numbing. Nishi, there is a reason that science has bio-ethics and where said ethnicians look to history, philosophy and religion to at least wrestle with the ethical issues contained in modern scientific innovation. You have consistently argued a closed ethical book, devoid of any contemplation, burned on the altar of scientific fact according to uber intelligent nishi.
Elitist much? Quite frankly, it’s not worthy of you and doesn’t reflect several opinions on non scientific topics that have been thoughtful and well reasoned.
Here’s the problem nishi: You are not going to get carte blanche to be fact pure and ethics free. That format will not be accepted by either the general public or the scientific community as a whole. There are too many questions that need to be thoughtfully debated about stem cells, cloning, embryos and other aspects of biological manufacturing, nano technology or not. Are we to travel down a path where clones are created for the express purpose of harvesting their compatible organs like soy beans? Are we ethical to say that frozen embryos that aren’t implanted are “pre-life” or are they “un nurtured life” or some other category that doesn’t necessarily, in one fell scientific swoop, reclassify them out of the “life” designation?
I don’t expect everyone to agree with my positions any more than you should expect the world to agree with your rather absolutist non-ethical position. In other words, you might consider being less simple minded about scientific ethics with regards to life and its definition rather than just throwing out “u iz al wrng” as an argument construct. Some of us are very, very concerned with conceptualizations of “life†as disposable for the greater good. We tend to see some history that makes us pause when science tosses life ethics for “societal benefit,†such as Eugenics.
If not, maybe Rob is right and you are nothing more than a scientific fascist, ethics be damned.
Comment by alppuccino on 2/19 @ 2:06 pm #
I was never really proud to be an American until that time when Oprah recommended a book about substance abuse? and it like turned out to be all lies? and like Oprah was all “Drugs are still bad, right?” and we were all “Yeah but the book was 39.95″? and Oprah was like “hey cheeseball, why did you lie to me?”
My country ’tis of thee……..
Comment by BJTexs on 2/19 @ 2:08 pm #
JD: Lee. I think, is layering the sarcasm. If so, well done. If not, stop huffung deodorant.
Testing:
Comment by BJTexs on 2/19 @ 2:10 pm #
Crap!
Retesting: Eugenics
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 2:10 pm #
You are not going to get carte blanche to be fact pure and ethics free
Especially if you aren’t even fact pure.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/19 @ 2:12 pm #
May Bee: Fact pure in her own mind. My bad!
Comment by lee on 2/19 @ 2:24 pm #
BJTexs, I think JD understood it was sarcasm…this wasn’t my first posting at PW!
By the way, speaking of mad scientists, what was that about nursing homes and dieing of thirst being a good way to go?
I hope if a court decides I need to be offed that painless and peaceful way, they give me painkillers too.
Comment by datadave on 2/19 @ 4:37 pm #
Michelle Obama she looks pretty damned good and Worthy.
Darleen, stop hating them poor Mexicans and help some living people out for a change. You’ve been complaining about poor starving Mexicans sneaking cross the border and now you continue to smear poor Terri’s husband.
Tangent alert!
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 4:45 pm #
There is no I in Terri. Except for the one. At the end. Except for that one.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 5:31 pm #
i cant find the cite, and im depressed after reading this idiocy. the schindlers petitioned the court to have an fmri “given?????
An fMRI experiment usually lasts between 15 minutes and 2 hours. Depending on the purpose of study, subjects may view movies, hear sounds, smell odors, perform cognitive tasks such as memorization or imagination, press a few buttons, or perform other tasks. Researchers are required to give detailed instructions and descriptions of the experiment plan to each subject, who must sign a consent form before the experiment.”
Republicans in the United States Congress subpoenaed both Michael and Terri Schiavo to testify at a congressional hearing.[67] ??????
look at the picture…terri is obviously overweight…she doesnt weigh 112 in this picture. use wat my graduate statistics prof called the farmer method.
she didnt die from starvation.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 5:39 pm #
i wuz asked why im an obamacan…and i told u…the involvement of the republican party and GW in the schiavo case is one part. GW’s vetos of ESCR funding and the bioluddite council are also data that influence my desire for a change in administration policy.
perhaps im rude and elitist, but u are riddikulous.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 5:43 pm #
well…at least open to ridicule. ;)
Message from the Multiverse
/begin transmission/
Greetings, Past-people, from the Shortlifes of the Life States of America of the Level III Branching Path Multiverse. We transmitt to you from nearly 100 years in the future, the year 2105. We abjectly plead for your help.
In your year of 2008, the Holy Randall Terry split the republican party with his introduction of the theocratic party, and their slogan, Jihad for Terri! The resulting massive democratic victories swept the democrats to power such as they had never known, and enabled the passage of pro-choice, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia legislation. The resulting backlash among the the theocrats was awful to behold– the Holy Triumvirate of Jesse Jackson, Randall Terry, and Rick Santorum was carried to power on the bloody wave of the Culture of Life Revolution.
It is now the year 2105. At great personal risk we have stolen this tachyon beam transmitter from the more scientifically advanced Canadians to send our plea for help. Life States of America is a dismal place today, and we shortlifes suffer mightily. Contraception became illegal in 2010, and the resulting burden of over population has caused massive famine, poverty and disease. Citizens of the Life States of America are not allowed to emmigrate by edict of the Holy Triumverate or many of us would leave. The world outside our shores teems with miraculous biological enhancement therapies that have raised the world average lifespan to 200 years of active health, but those “unnatural” technolgies are banned in the Life States of America. We would buy them on the blackmarket, but our GDP has sunk so low that we cannot afford them. The rest of the world calls us shortlifes for this reason. Yet even though our lives are short the burden of mandated unlimited reproduction swamps us with burgeoning population.
We have researched your history exhaustively, and our scholars and historians think our situation could be remedied if only the incipient theocrats could be convinced that Terri Schiavo was in truth, braindead, negating the neccessity of the Jihad for Terri! Culture of Life Revolution. We have attached the trial transcripts and medical reports for your edification, as these were apparently not reviewed in your original decision. As your descendents we pitifully implore you, please make the right decision this time.
Sincerely,
the Shortlifes of the Life States of America,
of the Level III Branching Path Multiverse
/end transmission/
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 5:49 pm #
hmmm..kinda dated…i guess i shud substitute Huckabee in there somewheres.
Comment by datadave on 2/19 @ 6:03 pm #
let it die, nishi….the whole thing smells. It was a horrendous private familial war between her parents and her husband. Both sides looked ugly afterwards, but mostly the Right to Lifers who exploited the family rife to make a point: probably already given this wiki article but gives a pretty rounded picture. Terri’s husband even trained to be a nurse to help his brain dead wife and was able to get a court to agree to a $i mil. settlement to help her…but after years of care he was still accused of murdering her even without evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 6:08 pm #
u all scream nannystate!! at the democrats….
but YOU want to control my reproductive choices.
YOU want to control scientific research.
YOU want to control my right to die.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 6:08 pm #
This reliance on wiki seems to be driving some of your delusions, anecdote. Facts and you get along like Diet Coke and Oliver Willis.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 6:10 pm #
nishi – can I be one of those “YOU”’s ?
I have always been fairly ambivalent about this whole issue, as I thought nobody acquitted themselves very well, and it was grandstanded by assholes on both sides of the aisle. Having said that, your desire to take her life when there are people, her fucking parents, willing to care for her is pretty sick.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 6:18 pm #
it wasnot a familial war.
Following Greer’s order on March 18, 2005 to remove the feeding tube, Republicans in the United States Congress subpoenaed both Michael and Terri Schiavo to testify at a congressional hearing.[67] It is contempt of Congress to prevent or discourage congressional witnesses from testifying.[68] The purpose of the subpoenas was thus to postpone the feeding tube removal.
Greer told congressional attorneys, “I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene.” He also stated that last-minute action by Congress does not invalidate years of court rulings.[69][70] Although Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Senator Rick Santorum, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, brought the possibility of sanctioning Greer on charges of contempt of Congress, Congress did not attempt to enforce the subpoenas or take any action against Greer.
[edit] Palm Sunday Compromise
Main article: Palm Sunday Compromise
Governor Bush and Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer’s adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress. On March 20, 2005, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed their version of a relief bill; since the vote was taken by voice vote, there was no official tally of those voting in favor and those opposed. Soon after Senate approval, the House of Representatives passed an identical version of the bill S.686, which came to be called the “Palm Sunday Compromise” and transferred jurisdiction of the Schiavo case to the federal courts. The bill passed the House on March 21 at 12:41 a.m. EST. President Bush flew to Washington D.C. from his vacation in Texas in order to sign the bill into law at 1:11 a.m. EST. As in the state courts, all of the Schindlers’ federal petitions and appeals were denied, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to grant certiorari, effectively ending the Schindlers’ legal options.
At the same time, the so-called Schiavo memo surfaced, causing a political firestorm. The memo was written by Brian Darling, the legal counsel to Florida Republican senator Mel Martinez. It suggested the Schiavo case offered “a great political issue” that would appeal to the party’s base (core supporters) and could be used against Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat from Florida, because he had refused to co-sponsor the bill.[71] Nelson won re-election in 2006.
Comment by JD on 2/19 @ 6:20 pm #
All of this effort to kill someone that had people willing and able to continue to care for them.
Sure am glad you have your science, nishi. Too bad it comes at the expense of your soul.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 6:21 pm #
nishi, the Democrats would waste kajillions on climate change nonsense. In terms of reallocating scientific research resources to a political agenda, they’re in territory Republicans have never dreamed of. And, Kyoto. Also, who killed the supercollider? Who votes against missile defense? Who pisses all over manned space flight? Who votes against lots of other cool stuff I can’t think of right now? Democrats is who.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 6:21 pm #
your desire to take her life when there are people, her fucking parents
no.
i dont want my fucking parents to be able to override my legal right to DNR and no heroic measures.
or any of u lifewarriors, godbots, and republican ethnicians either.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 6:25 pm #
Governor Bush and Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer’s adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress.
sounds kinda unconstitutional to me.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 6:25 pm #
i dont want my fucking parents to be able to override my legal right to DNR and no heroic measures.
You have to make your wishes known, then. It isn’t that hard.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 6:29 pm #
Yeah, haps is right. Someone is going to control scientific research.
Comment by datadave on 2/19 @ 6:33 pm #
http://www.oliverwillis.com/
JD,, oliver who? sorry, but diet colas are more bad than we thought.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 6:36 pm #
nishizonoshinji
This was tougher than Purple, people, but I’ve finally cracked the code!
“Shining city on the hill of an example of why scientists shouldn’t be in charge of anything ‘ceptin their own little box.”
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 6:50 pm #
Oh, and they swallowed our bait, AF is their intended target.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 6:53 pm #
BECAUSE OF STINKY OLD WHITE GUYS IN THEIR PAJAMAS !!!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 6:59 pm #
/begin transmission/
Greetings, Past-people, from the shortlifes of the Life States of America of the Level III Branching Path Multiverse.
Things are going from bad to worse here in the Year of Life 2105. Our population problems devolving from the passage of the Anti-Contraception Law in 2010 (after the Jihad for Terri! Culture of Life Revolution) were bad enough, but now we suddenly have no doctors!
When Roe v Wade was overturned and abortion was made illegal, the Holiest Theocrat Mike Huckabee dictated the death penalty for any physician caught performing an abortion. All the licensed physicians in the Life States emigrated immediately.
Then in 2012 when Intelligent Design became mandated teaching in all science programs the entire population of college professors became boat people…desperately seeking any means available to leave the Life States of America.
Please, we beg you to stop this manic dogma of Life– we cannot support our dependent population of young children and brainstemmed organ sacks without skilled healthcare professionals and college professors!!
The next thing that will happen is that you will outlaw Science itself and all the scientists! No scientist will exist to invent the tachyon beam we supplicants employ to reach you past-people! Please do not doom us to the stone-age, we beg–BBBZZZZZZZZZZWWWHHHHHAAAAPPPPTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
………..*hissing gaussian noise*
Comment by B Moe on 2/19 @ 7:03 pm #
Then in 2012 when Intelligent Design became mandated teaching in all science programs the entire population of college professors became boat people…
I thought that was what you wanted? What is your nano/biotech if not intelligently designed life?
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 7:11 pm #
@ #203
Seriously. Nishi-chan, conceptualize the Ugly American.
A cue-balding as we speak Old White Guy.
Going to France and insisting everyone speak English.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 7:15 pm #
without skilled healthcare professionals and college professors!!
Just raise taxes and pay everyone more.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 7:34 pm #
@ #205
203, and body of work.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 7:37 pm #
Blast, cruising.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 7:37 pm #
No, cold-cocking.
Comment by B Moe on 2/19 @ 7:40 pm #
I can never get anybody to acknowledge that evolution is intelligent design. It is getting rather frustrating.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 7:42 pm #
What evolution is is slow as Christmas. Slower even. I mean it’s really really slow.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 7:46 pm #
You have to make your wishes known, then. It isn’t that hard.
terri’s wishes were LEGALLY determined to be known.
thus the court order.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 7:52 pm #
What was gonna happen to her after her parents died anyway?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 7:53 pm #
That’s kind of sad to think about.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/19 @ 7:54 pm #
Mr. Pot, here, damn glad to meet you.
Comment by B Moe on 2/19 @ 7:55 pm #
What was gonna happen to her after her parents died anyway?
Sean Hannity was going to adopt her, what I heard.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 7:57 pm #
feets genetic evolution is slow
memetic or symbolic evolution can be either slow or fast.
do u know the 4 dimensions of evolution?
genetic epigentic behavioral and symbolic
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 8:00 pm #
oh. I put that in my notebook thinger. Right now I’m making carnitas tacos. But I didn’t know that. I know behavioral evolution has a strong correlation with disposable income.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/19 @ 8:19 pm #
hehe
trudat
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 8:51 pm #
terri’s wishes were LEGALLY determined to be known.
thus the court order.
I’m just saying I’ll bet you can make it easier on yourself. Don’t count on your husband or some friend remembering a few years later that you had a conversation once. Then you’ll feel good inside, because you were proactive in your own right to die.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/19 @ 8:55 pm #
Either that or you can invest in lots of fabulous pajamas. DNR my ass, this is silk.
Comment by MayBee on 2/19 @ 8:58 pm #
It’s true. Nothing says DNR like a pair of boxers and a stained Hooters t-shirt.
Comment by daleyrocks on 2/19 @ 9:42 pm #
Two-toned boxers MayBee. Yellow in front, brown in back.
Comment by Darleen on 2/19 @ 10:35 pm #
nishi
what’s legal and what’s moral do not always coincide. Terry’s wishes were not known. Period. Yes, a legal ruling purported to determine her wishes but to this day we have absolutely nothing but the testimony of a man who had already moved on with his life that Terry wanted to be put to death.
So the court had a choice… to rule for life or rule for death and in this culture of “less than perfect life isn’t real life” chose death. Margaret Sanger realm of eugenics.
Terry was a devout Catholic and her religion says people with PVS should be cared for until a natural death and that removing a feeding tube that does no more then deliver nourishment doesn’t qualify as “artificial lifesupport” and should not be removed.
Feeding tubes are “degrading”? Well, there are a lot of injured people who rely on feeding tubes for varying amounts of time and …
Lets be honest here, nishi. You were actually projecting when you decided to smear Terry’s parents with Mengele. YOU are the one making judgments on what life qualifies as worthy of living. YOU are the one elevating your definition of science to a religion that cannot be questioned…a “science” that determines that the less than perfect cannot suffer to live.
You have no idea how many families of the disabled were disturbed and alarmed by the rhetoric of the Kill Terry advocates… people like YOU who sneered at her as a “flesh doll” and said some of the most horrible things about her.
When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing, they’ll believe in anything. And you believe that human life is cheap, interchangeable, so whats putting a few babies, old farts and retards to death? Who is going to miss ‘em? Their parents? pffffft… old fashioned idiots who are only selfishly brainwashed into believing there is such a thing as loving a less than perfect child.
Comment by lee on 2/20 @ 12:48 am #
Darleen, maybe it’s just a cultural thing. You know, kamikaze, seppuku, hara-kiri…all that.
The Shogun says you gotta go, so that’s that. Stop being impolite and making a fuss. It’s just a small sacrifice for the common good, don’t ya know. Giri.
Comment by Cricket on 2/20 @ 5:12 am #
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Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/20 @ 6:45 am #
geez darleen..u read nuthin i wrote.
this nation operates under the rule of law.
the law determined that terri’s wishes were have the heroic measures stopped.
michael schiavo was offered 1 million dollars to give terri to her parents. its documented.
if he was ready to “move on” why didnt he take it?
and u know….nothing……NOTHING about caring for someone with dementia!
alzheimers with dementia is blood and shit and hitting and locking the doors and locking up all the knives and useless expensive meds.
its seeing a beloved relative turned into a hostile zombie.
and when…..and when…..they have a few moments of lucidity…u can see they want to die so bad its like a knife in ur heart.
i have a DNR and a will that specifies no heroic measures.
and its not enough.
im making a suicide kit.
Comment by Beauty on 2/20 @ 8:45 am #
This is to Cave Bear #8 and the “angry black woman” syndrome that you and your wife speak of. I always find it interesting with white women when black women are not all in your face and kissing your behinds. White women always tag Black women with being angry when they aren’t invested in white women’s lives. Yes, I know we have a history of white women NEEDING Black women to be your Mammy, and when we decide that we don’t want to or better yet don’t HAVE to be, you call us angry. I’ve never met a group of people more angry than white women. It comes through in every aspect of your life. I guess it makes you angry that a Black woman is on the pedestal, a place that has historically been reserved for white women. Maybe for the first time all your stereotypes fall apart–she’s highly educated, highly paid, married to a successful Black man, has beautiful and well-educated children, owns a mansion, I could of course go on and on–and the only way you can chop her position down is by seeing her as angry. It’s just so far from the truth. Study history and you will see why that’s the only way you can see Michelle. Look up the Cult of True Womanhood and Deviant Womanhood, and, maybe you’ll learn something about why white women in this country ALWAYS see Black women as something less than themselves.
Comment by lee on 2/20 @ 9:50 am #
Gosh Beauty, you sound, well, angry…
Comment by JD on 2/20 @ 10:00 am #
Sometimes people are seen as being angry, or insufferable, because they are … drumroll … angry and insufferable.
Comment by Pablo on 2/20 @ 11:27 am #
Wow. The world is just chock full of fascination for you, isn’t it? I don’t know too many sisters that fit that bill.
9 year old Malia and 6 year old Sasha are well-educated? Lemme guess: Public school!
Oooh, that pisses me off!
Love,
Angry White Man
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/shrugs
…because no one made the jump.
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/shrug solidarity
…because is all.
But then you know what I think would be cool? If someone wrote a book about what Susan got up to instead of going back to Narnia. She probably did way cooler stuff but they just made her sound like a loser cause they were jealous.
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Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 6:46 am #
i expect susan got a bf an lost interest.
which is wat i shud do.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 6:57 am #
back to the main point here.
its just profoundly sillie the way the right is all agog over what Michelle said an a gaffe she made talkin.
do u seriously think shes benedict arnold in drag? i got wat she meant.
the faux outrage is overwhelmin.
do u know what i think when i see her in the dark suit with the flag behind her?
all she needs is a pillbox hat.
think about when theres a mccain/obama debate.
mccain will look very old, very white, and VERY short.
the mccains are nice looking for old ppl…..but the obamas look like MOVIE STARS.
howard dean lost the nom when his supporters cud see him on tv….the redfaced egomanical dwarf they had kinda suspected.
kerry while tall, was hurt by his unfortunate phenotypic resemblance to andre the giant.
these voting patterns spoof pollin btw, cuz ppl dont like to admit they cast votes on appearance.
but they do.
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 7:03 am #
I got wat she ment 2.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 7:13 am #
is that a bad thing pablo?
if ppl were engaged with government praps they wud vote on content instead of appearance.
u must admit the Obamas are gettin ppl fired up, bring up participation.
this is a paraphrase of “ask not wat ur government can do for u..”
dont u see it?
if she said that exactly it wud be PLAGARISM!.
lulz.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 7:27 am #
darleen is observant about some of the marketing here…..
but the subliminal theme is jfk, jackie and camelot.
its viral and subtle so praps u guys dont get it.
by tapping into that they get a bunch of nostagia credits.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 7:31 am #
nostalgia
and it is sort of not fightable
because of the subliminalness
wat is the right gonna do, scream “you’re copyin the kennedys! stop that right now!”
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 7:32 am #
notice also he never compares himself to jfk.
he lets others do it.
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 7:53 am #
Yes. Unless you like authoritarianism. We were supposed to be getting change, remember? And hope. Not a national Daddy with a list of demands.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:01 am #
pfft
its just wat jfk said..dont u admire the subtlty?
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 8:33 am #
I don’t see any subtlety. JFK didn’t say “Here’s what I’m going to make you do for your country.”
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/21 @ 8:38 am #
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:44 am #
hahaha..jfk said….ask not wat ur country can do for u, ask wat u can DO for ur country.
same message.
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation and that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed – you have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eights years from now, you will have to be engaged.â€Â
all those verbs map back to DO.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:46 am #
look…Obama’s campaign managers have a brilliant inspirational candidate.
and they are clever, subversive, subtle and opportunistic.
a perfect storm of electability.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:48 am #
do u guyz even know how viral marketing works?
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/21 @ 8:50 am #
no, I know, but usually Obama is telling us everything the gov is going to do for us. Lower premiums! fill out my tax forms!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:53 am #
that is the message u are gettin, but u are immunized by intellect, maggie.
the message isnt for ppl like u.
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/21 @ 8:53 am #
so, he’ll be like jfk, just with higher taxes and more handouts. cause he’s a giver
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:54 am #
the jfk message i mean.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:55 am #
maggie viral marketing just makes u want to buy the product.
caveat emptor isnt part of it.
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 8:57 am #
MAKE ME ENGAGE!!!
But he doesn’t really want me engaged. Thus, I will remain so, if need be.
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 8:58 am #
So, rational assessment is out? What a surprise.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 8:59 am #
u see….i think darleens point is…..is marketing the Obamas fair?
on top of their natural physical beauty and speaking talents.
in the capitalistic market of vote attraction, i think marketing is fair.
wat can u do about it anyways?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 9:00 am #
pablo darleen is doin caveat emptor for u guyz….but ur statistically nonsignificant.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 9:17 am #
.but ur statistically nonsignificant.
So don’t talk about it!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 9:23 am #
gonna muzzle me MayBee?
do u think viral marketing is “fair”?
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 9:25 am #
EMBRACE TEH STOOPID PEEPLE! And force them to engage. For their own good. But don’t explain anything to them….
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 9:26 am #
The math. You can do the math.
You remember math, don’t you nishi?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 9:30 am #
i showed u the maths pablo
momentum == mass x velocity
to combat viral marketing u wud have to educate the electorate.
is that possible?
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 9:30 am #
gonna muzzle me MayBee?
No, it seemed that’s what you were saying.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 9:42 am #
look…..u asked me
i think viral marketing is fair. in fact, i think it is brilliant.
capitalism si!
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 9:47 am #
Can you tell the secret behind a magic trick? Can you pull back the curtain? Can you push over a facade and expose its lack of a third dimension?
Expect millions and millions to be spent doing just that.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 9:50 am #
Who’s arguing that viral marketing isn’t fair?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 10:00 am #
that was darleens argument i think.
she sounded kinda pissy about it.
also, the amorphousness of obama is a feature, not a bug as far as viral marketing is concerned.
it means ppl can imbue him with qualities they admire.
and pablo, i think he might be proofed against a lot of that.
cuz race, and the near idolatry his followers have committed to.
Comment by Pablo on 2/21 @ 10:18 am #
Oooh! Dear Leader! Mein Fuhrer! You wanna write the Obama honorific, nishi?
I like “Mocha Messiah” Make me think of free lattes.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 10:22 am #
it means ppl can imbue him with qualities they admire…and the near idolatry his followers have committed to
And where do you put yourself in there, nishi? You are an Obama believer, no?
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 10:32 am #
FWIW, I like him too. I just don’t like his policies.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 11:37 am #
i think hes smart, smart enough to be pragmatic once elected.
i think his amorphousness is deliberate.
i think his phenotype holds enormous potential for progress out of our current stalemates on several aspects.
and i think he is smart enough to exploit that.
and i do believe….he cares about something more than ambition and narcissism.
i think he wants to make things better, and not just for him, like bilary.
i might be fooled by the marketing, but the very success of his campaign gives me hope that he can be opportunistic and……and….
adaptive.
that is the word.
adaptive.
i think his stated policies are more flexible than the hardleft believes.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 11:41 am #
he is being very careful to secure the nom against bilary within his party….but not to be “owned”.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/21 @ 11:52 am #
viral marketing is not a long term motivator. There is a long way to go until the election and the sort of fervor that Obama’s camp is using to propel them to the nomination will be very hard to maintain into the general.
JFK had already been elected when he gave the “ask not” inaugural speech. Plus he was a war hero, and espoused center right values and he only managed to squeak a win. Obama has none of these things going for him. You give to much credence to sparkle nishsi. People will end up voting for their own interests, and sparkle will not win out over that. McCain may end up looking old next to Obama, but Obama is going to look like a deer in the headlights on the issues. The debates are going to be Cheney/Edwards and that won’t be good for your choice.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 11:53 am #
mccain is adaptive too.
but he is very old, very white, and very short, and he wont win against Obama.
and GW said Mccain is pro-LIFE! i head him.
ill admit, part of it is that im just so tired of middleagedwhite guys.
they just arent working for me anymore.
i want something else.
in case u missed it. ;)
that part of the changeyness is true. Obama is something different from a middleagedwhiteguy.
that is how evolution, my holiest paradigm, works.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 11:57 am #
Do you think that people, having been sold on the marketing, will be more angry if/when he can’t produce?
I actually agree with much of what you are saying about his personal qualities, and think he can use them to break some stalemates.
But what concerns me is this– people who are too emotionally invested in something are susceptible to a harder, angrier comedown if they don’t get what they thought they had.
It’s the passion, it works both ways. It’s what soap operas thrive on.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 11:57 am #
not so much edu guy.
i think mccain already is regretting that 100 years in Iraq speech.
Comment by Education Guy on 2/21 @ 11:58 am #
He’s not middle-aged. He’s old. Like an elder statesman.
Obama is a young pup who will likely pee on the WH carpets due to his excitement.
Think of the cleaning bills.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:00 pm #
i think he can use his gifts to let them down easy.
for example, i think our time in Iraq as a strong military presense needs to end. but it wont happen instantly.
so he will draw down the troops….gradually.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:04 pm #
i think..from reading the demographics..there will just be MORE democrats.
and the independents and obamacans….
on the other side…if the repubs cant stomach Huck for veep,
they will have some evangelicals that will sit this out.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 12:05 pm #
I think that’s his amorphous quality getting to you, nishi.
Whatever we don’t like about his policies, we imagine he will let the people that support it down…gradually. Gracefully.
As I said, I really like him. I’m not fooling myself that the things I don’t agree with him about are the things he doesn’t really mean, though.
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 12:09 pm #
Do you remember how people that didn’t even like Gore all that much threw eggs and oranges at Bush on his first inauguration day?
Passionate people don’t want to be let down, they want to believe they were cheated! tricked! You think the code pink people won’t be on the White House lawn if Obama says, “I didn’t mean now now.”
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:09 pm #
well…i think his two basic intrinsic qualities that i am intellectually voting for,
are that he is very smart, and he wants to do good.
in the end….wat more can i ask for?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:12 pm #
Maybee, the house and senate democrats also promised withdrawal.
they havent been able to do squat.
is Medea (i love that name!) and her posse burning their houses?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 2/21 @ 12:12 pm #
I already work and I’m not required.
I like my cynicism and he can’t have it.
I’m not isolated, but I will fight to retain my divisions–they are part of my distinctiveness.
I’m not especially comfortable and that’s good.
I’m already better than he is.
I’m already engaged.
Uninvolved and uninformed doesn’t describe my life as usual.
I’m not especially interested in democracy.
So, you say she’s not talking to me, and I’ve got to agree. But if she’s not talking to me now, when will that happen, and will it be as coercive as this sounds to my ears?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:17 pm #
and ur not a democrat.
;)
there will be something for u in the general.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/21 @ 12:19 pm #
ttyl..i gots a world to save.
;)
Comment by MayBee on 2/21 @ 12:20 pm #
Medea (i love that name!) and her posse burning their houses?
Burning? No. Camped outside Nancy’s house, yes. Just like they are camped outside the Berkley marine recruitment office.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 2/21 @ 12:24 pm #
…you assume.
And it sounds like what I get in the general is a knife in the back (Iraq) and a gun to my head (healthcare and taxes).
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Comment by Hardmoney on 2/25 @ 11:50 pm #
Barack is now scaring me MORE than hillary….his wife makes me quiver. So is she going to end my fear of american bankruptcy by throwing me in jail until my brain is thoroughly Barack-washed? Most folks don’t want much? Umm….isn’t that a little different than dreaming of becoming whatever you want? Wouldn’t that typically involve going beyond a “simple life”? And how…oh how does she propose Barack can SAVE the world? Because he has the DESRIE to “change”? But what about the REST of washington dc crowd / corporate/ banking / medical-military industrial complexes that could care less and will continue on as usual?
Comment by Hardmoney on 2/26 @ 12:19 am #
And plus…these are just rambling nebulous thoughts about where she “dreams” the country will go under an Obama presidency…..even Hitler got 96% of the vote cause he a “powerful” orator but it turns out the country he had “envisioned” for the people turned into a nightmare pretty quickly. I just want our government to follow the rules….is that so much to ask. And YES…that includes NOT being able to counterfeit money!
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