As Karl points out, Republicans are having as many problems with reality as Democrats where it concerns what they feel is their candidate’s positions and what those positions actually are. The willfull suspension of disbelief in what McCain’s historical behavior towards conservatives even after his crude and dishonest performance at the last debate at the Reagan library is jaw dropping.
On the other side, the Democrat debate at the Kodac Theater overshadowed an earlier appearance by Obama in East Los Angeles, where this Paragon of Post-Racialist campaigning gave a speech that fairly reeked of race-baiting in timehonored, old-school Demagogueryocrat stumping.
“They feel like the education system isn’t designed for people like us, and the job market isn’t designed for people like us. And trying to get a mortgage isn’t designed for people like us. And health care is not designed for people like us,†Obama shouted.“Well let me tell you something, this is our country. America should be designed for people like us.” [...]
“We have to stop letting those in power turn us against each other. No place do I see this more than in our immigration debate. I am tired of people of people using this as a political football,†Obama said. “We need to solve this problem.â€Â
He said that he worked on comprehensive immigration reform with both Ted Kennedy and John McCain.
“My father when he came here, he didn’t look like you know - he didn’t look like he stepped off the Mayflower.”
I’m still trying to locate audio clips of what I heard last night, or at least a transcript. Even without directly quoting Obama, the LATimes wrote of Barry:
landing in diverse Los Angeles just five days before Tuesday’s primary, he expanded on his story, painting it in racial tones.
Obama never once used the word “illegal” but only spoke of immigrants and feigned surprise that anyone should worry about immigrants from that place on our border when we aren’t equally worrying about Irish or Polish immigrants that overstay their visas.
Obviously, Mr. Barry Obama hasn’t spent much time in Southern California emergency rooms, public schools or police stations.
For all the feelings that Obama is the “new generation of leadership today”, he’s campaigning like it’s 1959.
Comment by B Moe on 2/1 @ 9:47 am #
“They feel like the education system isn’t designed for people like us, and the job market isn’t designed for people like us. And trying to get a mortgage isn’t designed for people like us.”
That is why he needs to be President, the White House is already paid for.
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost on 2/1 @ 9:50 am #
People like us, people like us, people like us… you mean tenured academics hooking up on the down-low with money-laundering Chicago slumlords? Isn’t that a bit narrowly-focused?
On the other hand, if he’s saying, “Hey! Let’s pull our ghetto in around us nice and snug!” La Raza says “gracias.”
Comment by JD on 2/1 @ 9:50 am #
And this surprises anyone … why? This is standard fare for Barry, Hill/Bill, Silky, and left-liberal out there.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 2/1 @ 10:00 am #
You know what’s funny? I never realised why my parents had those pilgrim outfits. Now i know. Thanks Barry!
Comment by JD on 2/1 @ 10:33 am #
This election is about feelings? The entire Dem playbook and platform is based on feelings and emotion.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/1 @ 11:06 am #
in the end…..appearance is all.
that is wat we say in gui design.
functionality doesnt matter..it is wat the customer sees.
bilary shud hav had her jowls lifted befor the campaign.
hav u thot….Obama will be our first hybrid president?
he is half black, half white……hybrid vigor rawks, u know, masks the deleterious recessives.
Comment by Sean M. on 2/1 @ 11:17 am #
Irish and Polish immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 11:35 am #
That’s so cute how that cartoon says “tough interrogation of terrorists” instead of “torturing military prisoners.” Good to see the political press is still calling it what it is. With that kind of brutal honesty present in their coverage, I can’t imagine why the average voter doesn’t have a clear picture of the candidates’ positions.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/1 @ 11:40 am #
Who was “tortured”?
Is it “torture” if it’s something we do to our own servicemen and women?
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 11:52 am #
Barry’s due in my town in less than 24 hours for a big shindig at our local university arena. Watching the reporter for the local NBC affiliate fill us in on the details, I was struck by the expression on her face. Since the camera shot only framed her head I really can’t say whether she was simultaneously receving oral stimulation below the waist but it sure did look that way.
Comment by alppuccino on 2/1 @ 12:02 pm #
TORTURE IS TORTURE!!!
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 12:03 pm #
Oh, and Gabe? Are you referring to the “torture” aka “waterboarding” that was done on precisely three al Qaeda thugs that Pelosi, Rockefeller, and other Senators were apprised of and had no objection to at the time and only later used it to shamelessly grandstand for the Code Pink, MoveOn crowd? That “torture”?
I thought so.
Comment by Pablo on 2/1 @ 12:07 pm #
Military prisoners? What military prisoners?
Comment by alppuccino on 2/1 @ 12:12 pm #
Hey Kelly,
One of those “thugs” hung on for 32 seconds.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 12:32 pm #
So now we’re judging whether actions are appropriate by whether Nancy Pelosi objects? Thanks, Kelly, but I’ll stick with my own moral compass on this one. Pretty sweet relativism you’ve got going there, though. Good luck with that.
And Rob, if it’s something we do to our own servicemen when they are undergoing SERE training, then yes, there is a distinct possibility that it would qualify as “torture” by any objective standard. Anything that makes a full-grown Marine weep like a child after 5 to 10 seconds is probably unethical, just as a rule of thumb. The notable exception being, of course, that one scene in Project X where the monkey who liked to smoke cigars is totally irradiated, but he’s still trying to get the doohickey out of the hoohah, because Matthew Broderick told him to, and he’s looking around all bewildered and stuff. That part is wicked sad. Because even if he had survived the radiation, he still probably would have succumbed to cancer of the mouth.
The confused fumbling of chimps aside, I was, however, making a larger point about how the news media is hopelessly whipped by anyone with a security detail, and the effect that has on the elusive, possibly mythical “educated and informed citizen,” and how that kind of relates to Darleen’s exasperation with Obama’s campaign/popularity.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/1 @ 12:42 pm #
game over.
moveon endorses.
survial of the prettiest, lulz.
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 12:50 pm #
Are you saying he wasn’t a thug, Al?
Comment by Zelda on 2/1 @ 12:56 pm #
My moral compass says to get whatever information out of terrorists in whatever way makes them rethink their strategy of killing innocent people to get their foamingly psychotic way.
I know John McCain disagrees, but he’s the only one I’ll listen to on the subject.
I have decided to vote for McCain in the general election, should he get the nomination. The reason is not self-delusion as to what he really thinks. I think I can see that pretty clearly. I will vote for him because his Iraq strategy was the one that has proven successful. I will vote for him because he served the country honorably, but mostly I will vote for him because I know he will take care of the military. I have friends still in Iraq and Afghanistan. I will not ever leave them to the mercy of Hillary or any other Democrat. You have only to look at what Bill Clinton did to the military for 8 years, and what we had to go to war with to understand that reasoning.
I realize this is the last place one should ever make things personal, but I will never forgive anyone who leaves our troops in Hillary’s care on election day whether by an actual vote or petulant abstention.
Comment by SGT Ted on 2/1 @ 12:59 pm #
I prefer shooting the jihadists after capture, instead of hillal meals and prayer calls 5 times a day at Club Gitmo.
“Torture” mem aside, Nancy Pelosi objecting to something in the political realm is usually a fairly good yard stick in measuring it’s actual worthiness; listen to what she says and know that the opposite is more likely true.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 1:14 pm #
Well I think we can all agree that a second Clinton presidency would be every bit as disastrous as the second Bush presidency. But hopefully, through the combined forces of MoveOn.org and the Kennedy family, we won’t ever have to find out the hard way. Because the enemy of my enemies’ enemies’ enemies is my, um, something. Congressman, maybe?
Comment by Carin on 2/1 @ 1:21 pm #
They feel like the education system isn’t designed for people like us, and the job market isn’t designed for people like us. And trying to get a mortgage isn’t designed for people like us. And health care is not designed for people like us,†Obama shouted.“Well let me tell you something, this is our country. America should be designed for people like us.†[…]
Honestly, I don’t even know where to start with that one.
Comment by Jim in KC on 2/1 @ 1:29 pm #
For example, listening to Hillary Clinton claim to have “experience.”
Comment by B Moe on 2/1 @ 1:29 pm #
…it would qualify as “torture†by any objective standard….
First of all, there is no way to qualify torture by objective standards. Second of all, as Pablo asked, what military prisoners are you referring to? And third of all,
Well I think we can all agree that a second Clinton presidency would be every bit as disastrous as the second Bush presidency.
Why on earth would you think that?
Comment by BJTexs on 2/1 @ 1:34 pm #
BMoe:
Because of the lack of inherent luciously changable changiness.
Comment by cranky-d on 2/1 @ 1:47 pm #
The only things even remotely disastrous about Bush’s tenure are the massive spending in general, re-institution of farm subsidies, the remote possibility of a renewal of the “assault weapons” ban, and his love of Amnesty which thankfully didn’t get through. The war, he got right, though of course I would’ve liked the “surge” method to have been implemented sooner. Hindsight is always easy. McCain just wanted to flood the region with troops, which is not the same tactic; it only looks similar because it required more troops.
So, basically, the disastrous things that Bush signed would be the same things you would expect a Dem to do. Given that, I would vote for Bush the second again if I could, because we know he is serious about the GWoT and we also know he rarely bends with the political winds.
Comment by David M on 2/1 @ 1:50 pm #
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 02/01/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.
Comment by alppuccino on 2/1 @ 2:06 pm #
“Are you saying he wasn’t a thug, Al?”
If I was it would only be because “thug” would be an upgrade.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 2:10 pm #
That’s sort of central to the euphemism, Moe. What prisoners indeed. Torturing terrorists to stop terrorism is totes teh awesomest, but if you find out, through torture, that the guy on the plank isn’t a terrorist, than you what, declare the torture to have been “tough interrogation” of a “detainee” ex post facto? Apologies, sir, we thought you were someone else. Good luck with the PTSD.
The delightful construction “tough interrogation of terrorists” is a canard, it’s a poll-tested catchphrase designed to make people feel good about abandoning their morals, most often deployed by politicians who need to find a way to bolster their national security credentials in the absence of any tangible improvements to the state of our national security. Torture is great for getting the answers you want to hear, regardless of their veracity. That’s probably why it is so appealing to politicians, who have a known weakness for attempting to create their own realities.
Which brings us back to Obama, who has created his own successful reality via the poll-tested catchword “change,” designed to make people feel good about abandoning their skepticism of politicians. It’s the same species of trick, and if we’re going to call it out for the left, we would be remiss to let it pass without comment from the right, no?
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 2:11 pm #
That whooshing sound you heard was my point rushing by your brain.
There were several Dem Senators briefed on the waterboarding, Gabe. They had no objection–UNTIL–they could use it as a political cudgel and score some cheap points with the hard left. Shameless political pandering and grandstanding hypocrisy at its worst. I would think even you might recognize and condemn it for what it is.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 2:22 pm #
Reasonable people can disagree about how serious Bush is about terrorism. He clearly takes it seriously as a domestic political tool, but until he puts some more effort into securing the border, cutting off Saudi support for violent jihadis, challenging Al Qaeda in Pakistan, and extracting the US from the petro-political blackmail in the Middle East and stops funneling weapons to both the Israelis and their regional enemies, those of us whose brains can’t twist into the byzantine knots necessary to connect the Iraqi misadventure to increased American security are likely to remain skeptical.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 2:32 pm #
I consider shameless political pandering to be a lesser sin than state-sponsored torture, myself. But I could see how you might disagree. They were DEMOCRATS, after all. But you know, there was once an idea here in Washington, a quaint notion to be sure, that some things are morally reprehensible regardless of which political party endorsed them. I think it’s buried somewhere off of Hains Point. My hope is that it might undergo some sort of awakening with the next president.
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 2:50 pm #
It appears you’re about as fully convinced of the definition of “torture” to the exclusion of all others as you are in your own self-righteousness. Me? I’m just not as queasy about coercive techniques used on terrorist scum. But, then again, I’m not full of sanctimony and self-regard.
Comment by Pablo on 2/1 @ 2:59 pm #
Speaking of canards:
To whom are you referring, and do they exist outside of your imagination?
Comment by Patrick Chester on 2/1 @ 3:02 pm #
kelly wrote, to Gabriel:
Oh, I think he recognizes it… and is using it the same way the Dem senators you refer to are.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 3:19 pm #
Well, specifically, Khaled el-Masri would be a decent stand-in. But we’re talking about policy here, and that requires imagination.
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 3:28 pm #
Why all the tenderness for terrorists, GF?
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 3:35 pm #
Because I’m a liberal. We love terrorists. We spend our Winter Solstice Holiday breaks knitting little woolen socks for them, so they don’t catch cold in their Kandahari caves. The walk to the bathroom in the middle of the night is positively torturous.
Comment by Andrew on 2/1 @ 3:38 pm #
until he puts some more effort into securing the border,
Name one Democrat who wants to do this.
cutting off Saudi support for violent jihadis,
I didn’t know we ruled Saudi Arabia! Perhaps you think we should stop buying their oil…
challenging Al Qaeda in Pakistan,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0201/p25s04-wosc.html
and extracting the US from the petro-political blackmail in the Middle East
…Ah, you do think that. Perhaps you’ll be good enough to suggest where we get our energy from then. Shall we bring the Mexicans in as Sherpas?
and stops funneling weapons to both the Israelis and their regional enemies,…
I didn’t know we made AK-47’s! Not sure how Israeli weapons are the problem, but I’d L-O-V-E to see the Palestinians (and possibly Egyptians) cut off from our aid. Unless the UN stops, though, I’m not sure how much good it would do…
But lemme go all Byzantine on ya: if we pull this one out in Iraq, then we have ourselves a new Mecca-free springboard from which we can influence events, collect HUMINT via our new Iraqi allies, and stand in the heart of the ME and say “What else you got, bitches?”
I’d say that was worth at least as much as the Phillipines ended up costing us in lives. All we ever got from the Phillipines was Pearl Harbor.
Comment by KIS SOLOR on 2/1 @ 3:38 pm #
HEY THE L. A. TIMES DIDN’T CALL BARRY ‘THE MAGIC NEGRO FOR NUTHIN’ ‘ COMPRENDE?
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 3:40 pm #
Isn’t “torturous” an adjectival derivation of “torture”, GF?
Comment by McGehee on 2/1 @ 3:43 pm #
Well, Kelly — perhaps the walk is in a straight line, so it wouldn’t be tortuous.
Though, if the cute ‘n’ cuddly terrorist falls down and goes boom — um, not literally — then it could even be tortious.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 3:49 pm #
…which explains the GOP fascination with tort reform. McGehee closes the loop. 2 points.
Comment by kelly on 2/1 @ 3:49 pm #
Tortoise?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 2/1 @ 3:51 pm #
sigh
gabriel its all math.
theres kepler-trigo, risk assessment matrices, threat assesment matrices, bidding theory, games theory, wargames sims, etc, etc.
dubya isnt exactly pullin this stuff out of his butt.
it is all based on probability and statistics and doctrine and even….[jesus-h-christ-inna-handcart] economics.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 3:58 pm #
There are many paths to failure, Noshinji-san. {gong, shakuhachi riff}
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 2/1 @ 4:48 pm #
Ok, Gabriel, let’s hear some specifics. Your litany of complaints was a good start and in theory it makes some sense but as nishi made clear, it’s just a little more complicated than that. But maybe you don’t think it is that complicated. If no, well then out with it. I want to hear how Barack, your candidate, is going to effect that “change”. What will he do to “change” the current situation that Bush, allegedly, has put the us in. I’m not a huge Bush fan, for reasons most likely much different than your own, but I hardly qualify his administration as disastrous. Hell, even Carter’s, in my opinion, wasn’t disastrous. Hyperbole is for suckers.
Comment by Pablo on 2/1 @ 4:55 pm #
Oh, tell us about the torture, Gabriel. But try to leave your imagination out of it. Do we have torture or are you satisfying yourself with a stand in/strawman?
Comment by Carin on 2/1 @ 5:39 pm #
Let’s pretend the U.S. government were torturing an innocent man … but the only real examples we have were actual terrorists who gave up actual information.
In all honesty, I don’t really have that great of an imagination.
I’ve got an idea … let’s pretend that we can tell the difference between “torture” and unpleasant experiences.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 5:46 pm #
Fortunately, Infidel, it’s not especially complicated; Obama isn’t even really specifically necessary. Bush is wedded to the Iraq war, and not just to the war itself but to the notion that Iraq is the cornerstone of anti-terrorist/foreign policy in the U.S., and his top advisors have been staking their reputations on it for a good fifteen years. They don’t have the option of considering other possibilities. Almost anyone who replaces Bush will be free of that psychological albatross, and could actually put some effort into honest-to-god domestic homeland security, instead of some pie-in-the-sky nation-building exercise masquerading as homeland security. Ditto with economic/immigration/environmental/healthcare policies, etc. In that light, Obama’s mantra makes a certain degree of sense, insofar as even the basic fact that there will be a different person in the White House is going to carry significant ancillary benefits. If Obama takes the presidency, he has the freedom to change/tweak/reverse any policy or protocol established by Bush without the political penalty that Bush would pay for doing the exact same thing. And in order to preserve his latitude to do that, it actually makes sense for him to be relatively circumspect about policy specifics until he gets there. So change might be the most important tool at his disposal, and as such it makes sense as the central message of his campaign. Who knows, it might be all he has to offer, but my assessment is that he’s smart enough to take advantage of that opportunity in a way that will please me, if not necessarily you guys.
Hillary Clinton wants to bathe in the sweet, luscious changeyness, but there’s this silver-haired, smooth-talking monkey perched on her back reminding everyone that really, she’s damaged goods. A Clinton presidency may look good from the Iraq-goggled vantage point of a Bush presidency, but you’re going to end up hating yourself in the morning if you fall for it.
Comment by Gabriel Fry on 2/1 @ 5:50 pm #
Point of order: Khaled el-Masri, not Khaled al-Masri. One is an innocent man abducted and tortured for months by the CIA, the other is the Al Qaeda terrorist for whom he was mistaken. So that’s one concrete example of my earlier hypothetical right there, before we get off on a tangent about imaginary terrorists. But policy formulation is not based solely on anecdotal evidence, it is often driven by the possibilities that it could allow. So imagination stays firmly in the argument. Condolences.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 2/1 @ 6:13 pm #
Thanks, Gabriel, for #49. I’ll chew on it. You mention above your moral compass and that’s obviously something personal, but what is your definition of torture as that mileage varies. And even if what they did to the wrong man falls under your definition of torture do you have proof that they actually did this to that man? I know the story, but haven’t yet seen actual evidence of actual torture.
Comment by Pablo on 2/1 @ 6:37 pm #
I say again: Tell us about the torture.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 6:59 pm #
“Obviously, Mr. Barry Obama hasn’t spent much time in Southern California (i)emergency rooms, (ii)public schools or (iii)police stations.”
when you print such you get me worried as to what planet your from…anyway, I’ve done the first two….but left Calif. at 16 and 20 before getting put in the slammer. But since you’re presumably a prime Republican I gather you must be a policewoman or reporter if you’ve done all three!
with ronald reagan, max rafferty, and arnold S. you can bet those institutions have been underfunded and stressed to the max.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 7:01 pm #
Repugs love de torture. De torture es grande!,
why don’t you lay off it? It never did anything good except keep people terrorized. saying they got any good info. outta one terrorist hasn’t been proven and in fact has been debunked over and over again.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 7:07 pm #
“I’d say that was worth at least as much as the Phillipines ended up costing us in lives. All we ever got from the Phillipines was Pearl Harbor.”
remember Teddy Roosevelt’s McCain’s idol. Mark Twain had a few things to say about American Imperalism over the little brown folk in Phillipines…
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1031-11.htm
Comment by McGehee on 2/1 @ 7:08 pm #
Dogmadave misses the irony of how his comments torture logic, fact, syntax, and — well, us.
Comment by guinsPen on 2/1 @ 7:15 pm #
Buck Ofama in the 21st Century.
And his mangy little ddave, too.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 7:30 pm #
he U.S. military’s use of waterboarding began during the Philippine-American War. Euphemistically called the “water cure,” it was said to be a form of torture the U.S. military “inherited” from the Spanish. They had used it since the Inquisition. In his 1902 essay “A Defense of General Funston,” Mark Twain wrote:
Funston’s example has bred many imitators, and many ghastly additions to our history: the torturing of Filipinos by the awful “water-cure,” for instance, to make them confess — what? Truth? Or lies? How can one know which it is they are telling? For under unendurable pain a man confesses anything that is required of him, true or false, and his evidence is worthless.
Mark Twain and other anti-imperialists were protesting the U.S. military’s use of waterboarding and other forms of torture one hundred years before their recent use in the “war on terror.”
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 8:22 pm #
mcG, you ol MOose, I just like tickling your beard. har-de-har-har
Comment by Darleen on 2/1 @ 8:28 pm #
DD
I was born in Los Angeles… REALLY (St Vincent’s Hospital on West 3rd Stree) raised in Granda Hills, then high school in Orange county. So I’m well familiar with what the public school system was then and what it has been over the last 20 years since the last amnesty…you know, the one that was supposed to solve things and never ever ever be repeated!
I have a daughter that’s been EMS for years and now ICU nurse and I’m 9 years with a DA office.
So if Obama thinks the strain on our school system, medical services and judicial system is coming equally from the Irish Polish conspiracy as it is from the “migrants” from south of the border, he is either dangerously ignorant or dangerously dishonest.
Comment by Darleen on 2/1 @ 8:29 pm #
Granda = Granada
Comment by daleyrocks on 2/1 @ 8:44 pm #
We heard about some of Barry O’s homeland security priorities last night Gabriel - we aren’t throwing enough dollars at edumication! I wonder what voter block that comment was directed at? Nothing about school choice or efficiencies of existing systems of education - we need more dollars - YEEAARRGGHH!!!!!
Comment by McGehee on 2/1 @ 8:52 pm #
You’re still looking at an old picture, I gather.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 9:44 pm #
ur link, me think. Seems the Order of the Moose is a gof. grand ol fraternity. not sure how you can stand suburban Georgia w/o water and all.
Darleen, i’z from Highland, CA and Redlands, CA…loved the San Gorgonio Mt. and SanBerdo hills as a kid. Skoolz? Trailers w/ 30 kids to a teacher. I doodled a lot. I member hearing Max Rafferty scaring us about the commies and the socialists ruining the skoolz….ya, he did.
ya, see now where you got the trifecka being in the DA. Glad I’m gone from there….way bad, my cousin lives in a 8 by 18 trailer behind a house in Cajon Cyn.
Comment by McGehee on 2/1 @ 9:48 pm #
Okay, I see what you’re doing. Making the usual error of the identity politician: equating the person with his affiliations.
Affiliations tell you something about people — but not necessarily everything.
Comment by datadave on 2/1 @ 10:14 pm #
no, my g/f like Mooses and I do to. She’s got moosecups, moose saucers, etc. I am in Vermont, she’s in NY. we got them critters sometimes in our backyards.
Alaska! Saw that movie Into the Wild. well done even if it played a little with the book and the facts. You said you were ‘conservative’, I ‘ll leave it at that. I get in enough fights as it is. It’s a fun site with well written right-of-center stuff even if I don’t agree with 90 percent of it, but I can see the points. It’s pretty boring hearing the same old stuff about how bad Bush is. I think we got that picture.
Obama? I’d like to know what people he have in his administration. Can’t be much worse than in the last forty years of administrations.
Comment by maggie katzen on 2/1 @ 11:00 pm #
a moose once bit my sister.
sorry.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/2 @ 12:04 am #
trifeckless, is my guess.
Comment by Rusty on 2/2 @ 7:42 am #
I shot a moose.
Out of self defense.
I believe he bent on rape.
Comment by Rusty on 2/2 @ 7:44 am #
#66
Obama? I’d like to know what people he have in his administration.
The same people who are currently administering Chicago and Cook County.
Vote early! Vote often!
Comment by datadave on 2/2 @ 7:44 am #
So if Obama thinks the strain on our school system, medical services and judicial system is coming equally from the Irish Polish conspiracy as it is from the “migrants†from south of the border, he is either dangerously ignorant or dangerously dishonest.
wow. that’s interesting, Darleen. I thought Obama was courting the Irish vote with the Kennedys. Polish? anyway,… know that the Mexican invasion is annoying but we remember our California history in school. It used to be their country. El Camino Real and the missions and all. Besides the countryclub Republcan set loves the migrants as they keep wages low. Don’t kid yourself the big Farmers up in Sacremento need that illegal force to keep labor costs down. Those guys are very conservative…right out of the Grapes of Wraith.
hey, I never use the word before but heard Bill say about Bush winning the Trifecta, when 9/11 hit..showing a certain cynicism and I thought he was a fool for not playing the Oklahoma bombing in a political fashion as Bush did 9/11 but then that might have started a civil war. It’s pronounced the same. I am not the horse betting kind.
Comment by Rusty on 2/2 @ 2:29 pm #
#71 DD
“I am not the horse betting kind.”
betting I am the horses behind
fixed it for you.
Comment by Pablo on 2/2 @ 3:21 pm #
So, national defense is just politics, dave?
Comment by B Moe on 2/2 @ 4:11 pm #
…the Mexican invasion is annoying but we remember our California history in school. It used to be their country…
Wow, those guys are alot older than they look!
Comment by datadave on 2/2 @ 8:11 pm #
you guys are funny almost as much as Al Franken
no I really appreciate the humor esp. bmoan’s
Pablo, not sure how poor “wetbacks” are a national security threat. I think Darleen just tired of all the criminality in Calif. Partlly due to desparate individuals w/o respect for the law…which might include a high portion of Mexican/Americans but illegals avoid breaking the law as they pay big time just getting in the country to the “coyotes” or just breaking one law (Immigration) makes them want to hide from the law and thus avoid breaking laws (statistics say illegals are less likely to break the law). Low wages are maybe a national security threat. Raise the wages and less crime?
Comment by Rusty on 2/3 @ 7:35 am #
#75
Wrong on so many levels I don’t know where to start. You gotta let us know what you’re smokin’.
Comment by Pablo on 2/3 @ 7:51 am #
dave, not sure what the hell you’re talking about. I was talking about this:
Do I need to explain why al-Qaeda is a national security threat?
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